Is the AFC West actually good?
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Welcome back to Bootleg! On today's daily episode within our annual summer preview series, Brett and E.J. break down the AFC West, and make their picks for Division MVP, Rookies of the Year, and of course...the regular season division winner!
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“Can we really discount the raiders?” Yea lmao
Yeah aside for QB injuries there’s no shot LV wins the div, but they’re not a pushover
Even the "all of these teams drafted really well" comment left them out.
The raiders have like a %1 chance of winning the division don’t expect them 2 b good but they won’t b a team ur licking ur chops at when u play them
I mean they were up 17-0 on the queefs and got a better qb now but sure. Beat the donkeys twice and split the chargers
@@mptypockets344 I mean the Broncos were asking to get beat if you can put up 3+ scores on them last season. That offense didn't want to put up anything more.
You guys should make 1 video explaining the bootleg power score and then just reference that video and say it's your signature score and you can check out this video if you want the explanation on how we get there rather than explaining it every video.
Additionally, I would suggest normalizating the power scores between 1 and 10. This will add context to where they rank among other teams. The problem I see with it right now is that the scores range from 6 ish to 23 ish and it's hard to contextualize where a team really stands once you see their score without seeing the other scores or other videos.
As a data professional, I also recommend normalizing the score. It looks like this is a pretty standard normal distribution, so knowing the mean and standard deviation would be a far better comparison. Most teams are average. Some excel. Some underperform. That should be the takeaway.
Additionally, you may want to consider using a weighted average instead. Weighing the passing game equivalent to the run doesn't strike me as appropriate in the current metagame.
@@jackcogswell7800 🍻 Happy to see a fellow data nerd 🤓
All of this, yes!
@@jackcogswell7800I think what would be most appropriate is tying the weights to the percentage of offensive snaps that the league as a whole used as rushing or passing snaps (literally just add up all the carries, sacks, and targets and you're clear). If that's not good enough, you could look at the proportion of yards gained via rushing vs. passing instead, because yards might be more related to expected points than a raw count of plays. Also, hi, I'm joining the data nerd party.
@dominicpancella3012 yeah, was thinking methodology for this, haha. I think there's enough complicating factors that it warrants a more thorough investigation than that; the run opens the pass and vice versa, and what about rpos? I'm hoping someone will swoop in with a recommendation for going waaaaay too deep into this.
I think the chargers power score accurately describes the team with its back ups in starting roles. And that’s a team that should not have won 10 games but did.
TBF a talent like Herbert get this team that 8-10 win minimal buffer. If the offense is better executed they can even *SCARE* wildcard teams in the first round. There are some oddball stats that support a healthy Herbert with a healthy Allen/Williams produces a top 8 passing offense. All while Herbert is actively being sabotaged on a weekly basis by Lombardi. Injuries to defense can change what Staley works with. But at this point I'm not really as worried about them for the regular season unless they want another 2021 season where their playoff hope hinges on a regular season show down (where Staley playing starters would BE the right move). I just don't think Staley is that coach to guide this team to January football dominance.
@@t4d0WTBF I think Staley improved alot over last season and i dont see why he cant do it again now with a taste of playoff experience. just need to hope they stop getting injured
You mentioned a couple times at the start about how far the Vikings stick out from where their power scores imply they should be. I actually did a little bit of digging myself to see just how unreal the Vikings were in terms of fourth-quarter heroics. Using ESPN's win probability charts, I coded up a quick simulator that could replay only the fourth quarter of each Vikings game over the course of the season, hundreds of thousands of times. In over 250,000 simulated seasons, only TWICE did the Vikings reach 13 wins. In fact, the average performance of the Vikings, based on their first three quarters of each game, was a 7-10 record (note that this is much lower than EPA would predict, since my simulator completely ignores the fourth quarter of actual games). In over 90% of simulated seasons, the Lions wind up winning the NFC North.
This made my day 🦁
I commend you for taking your time to explain to us the NFL fraudulence equation using the Vikings performance as data.
About halfway through the season, I did a similar thought experiment with the Lions and found that if they had had even a league average defense. Not even an elite or even a good defense. A middling defense.
They would have won the NFC North outright.
Well good thing a team’s season isn’t based on a simulation. I mean based on your simulation Lions win the division, and yet they’ve never won the division. I mean they are only competing with three other teams and they practically draft top 10 every damn year. They get access to the top top dudes coming in to the draft first before their other 3 division rivals…🤷🏻♀️
Chargers and broncos power score being the same is insane
Well Denver’s defense carried that offense through hell so I kinda understand
And Herbert carried a weak chargers defense. It almost balances in a funny way
They keep talking about Herbert’s rookie year like it was his best year. His second year though was a legitimate mvp season and was by far the best he’s played. Last year was the same level of play up until he was injured too and he was still playing like a top 5 qb
Herbert continues to grow and evolve beyond his rookie season all while his play caller continues to sabotage him on a weekly basis. It is quite amazing.
Great take on maxx Crosby, EJ. Third best pass rusher in the league behind TJ watt and aaron donald. Even tho I'm a nyg fan , thar boy is highly highly highly slept on and mentally different.
Calling PS2 a "wildcard" pick for defensive player of the division is kind of insane considering how amazing he was last year. Was also the best player on the best (and only good) defence of the division.
Sincerely,
A salty Broncos fan who knows he is biased
P.S. these podcasts and especially this series is top notch thank y'all so much.
Love the shirt EJ! RIP Terez, miss him dearly
Oh baby…
Can’t wait for the NFC East now that I’ve seen them Mid-Series Power Score Update 😎🦅
I see how the power rankings could be helpful before the draft and free agency. I do wonder what that means for this series. For me it is invaluable during this football dead time. I would hate to see a power ranking series earlier in the year replace this series. I know it’s a lot of work. Could you do both?
Power score is great lovin it
If you're hyping up Max Crosby as a top five edge, then I hope you have rashawn Slater as a top three left tackle. Slaters return is the biggest impact in this division. You spent all that time on Crosby just to watch him switch sides and not face Slater this year 😂😂 Maxx owes Storm Norton a drink or two for getting him paid.
Maxx Crosby performing as a top 5 edge doesn't take away how Slater and the O-line can perform as a whole on pass pro. They are two absolutely different things. Some smart folks can add context as to how both can be associated. But that doesn't mean if Crosby is an absolute, then someones' Oline tackle talent is an absolute based on some far relation.
#9 will be the Giants. They weren't a big play team but had to get their wins through consistency so i think they will be higher up
Hey guys! Loving the series. With as much turnover as there is in the NFL, how closely do you believe power scores will predict a team's performance for the upcoming season? I feel like the series has been more retrospective than predictive compared to last year's
They have the Ceiling/Floor segment for that in each team video.
@@eoc8914 sure, that helps to summarize their predictions. I just think the portion of the episodes that focuses on personnel changes and their effect on the team moving forward is shorter than last year
I think there is a reason for their approach. Other folks are cornering the approach of predictions but its hard to even get that down with the chaos and potential turnover the regular season can bring outside of say the top 8-12 teams who have found some annual stability in terms of staff, philosophy and execution. So they just tell it how it is based on X's and O's, potential personnel changes that can shift things to prepares the football viewers to watch the games to see if those changes are executed and if they persist in the long term.
My money is on the dolphins for first and then the pats for 9th, Miami's defense came on at the end of the year and the offense was nuts and the pats had a very good run game and the best defense in the nfl on EPA/play
I wonder if something like adjDVOA should be included in part of the power score to account for game script oddities
100% agree
You are kinder to Denver than I as a Broncos fan feel towards Denver. I really think that Denver has a punchers chance, but unless things break right, they are not in the playoffs.
I predicted long before it was certain that Mahomes would be the greatest QB ever. Believe it or not I had a feeling when we drafted him and then it was solidified in my mind after the denver game listening to the broncos defenders talking about him. I also felt Herbert was the real deal after watching him in his first game against us. I still feel burrow herbert and mahomes will be great for each other these next 10 to 12 seasons. Its going to be fun to watch. Personally I don't think mahomes will play anywhere close to bradys career. I won't be surprised if he hangs it up after 10 more seasons. Maybe 12 but most likely just 10 more seasons in his 38th year. Once he is not super competitive he is out!
How come the Texans are the only team on the Mid-series power score update that hasn’t been in a video. Seems mean to include the highest score (worst score)
Bills, Eagles, and Cowboys gonna round out that top 5 for power score right? (In no particular order)
Looks like Bill Belichick told Jakobi Meyers that if he wanted to give the ball to the Raiders, he might as well f***in' join the Raiders
Gotta say that DVOA is going to do a better job at estimating the underlying talent and performance of a team. Unclear what’s going to happen with DVOA with Football Outsiders getting pilfered by private equity goons and Aaron Schatz heading somewhere else. I think he’s taking DVOA with him.
But yea…might want to consider DVOA in the future
Joey "low quality sacks" Bosa back in the good graces of Brett.
I don't think rounded power score adds anything and just confuses things with the ranked score.
So Run defence is as important as passing offense? Don't see how this is accurate if that's how you go about ranking teams
damn chefs
I wanna call my shot. They talked about number 9 as no one being able to guess who they are based upon the perception of the team. Either the bills or commander are number 9.
Love the pod but the power score talk is such a tough listen when it has to be explained every single time
Bills, Cowboys and Eagles are the teams that had 10+ wins and aren't revealed already, so they're the last of your missing top 7. I'm guessing Cowboys at 1, Eagles at 3 and Bills at 4. The NFL is too weird to have a division winner as the best team. I'm guessing 8 and 9 are some combo of the Jags, Commanders, and Giants. While the other one sits 11.
Based on last year records Chiefs schedule is tough this year
Is it 1.Eagles 3.Bills 4.Cowboys 8.Patriots and 9. Commanders?
I've got my money on Number 9 being the Bills, they still aren't helping out Josh Allen and the Jets and Dolphins just have overall better rosters at this point in time
Brett gave away the Giants as the #9 team imo
DPOY Chris Jones
Can't say I watch a lot of Chargers football, but my perception of Joey Bosa is that he's one of the most overhyped players in the league. Is he even the best edge on his team?
He’s most certainly the best edge on the team when healthy
Arguably yes. Mack is still good but he's nowhere as dominant as he was. And after that the Chargers don't much in terms of a solid 4 man rushing group. Hell with Bosa's lack of presence Staley *HAD* to run timely blitzes just to get his pressures. As nice as blitzing it and the results of it can be, any solid minded DC wants to rush 4 (or even 3) with confidence against great passing teams.
Hello, #9 will be Washington, idc if i’m wrong lol, haha, idk
Jimmy Garopollo is a backup level quarterback without the Kyle shanahan training wheels. The raiders are tanking
I love how this is the common view despite all the evidence being to the contrary. They have been running the real life version of this thought experiment in Santa Clara for years now. The fact is, every single QB has flopped in SF, even with the magical "Shanahan training wheels" except for Jimmy G and Brock Purdy. They have had 7 starters in Kyles time there, and the best record for any of them as far as win percentage that isn't Jimmy or Brock is .500 with Trey Lance's 2-2 record.
Except for when he has those McDaniels training wheels too
The fact we say #9 overall team in power score is surprising because of public perception makes me think it's the Commanders.
Say what you want about a fourth place team, they're the only team who beat Hurts and the Eagles in the regular season (the other two losses were Minshew).
That was a hard game to watch, not gonna lie... the feeling that I had when that game ended on a penalty is indescribable. Huh.. our only two losses with Hurts both ended on ticky tack penalties. Gives me hope for this year as an Eagles fan. Don't get put in those situations again and we'll be fine!
I've been waiting awhile to hear any of you analysts say it, but no-one has spoken for the fact that, for YEARS the Seahawks neglected in the proper development of a solid O-line to guard Russell in his prime. It was blatant and stupid. Imagine what Russ could have been...McGlinchey was a good move, hoping he will continue to develop...key player.
In your sorting based on raw power score, you got Steelers and Packers swapped.
Agreed! Raiders on top baby! RN4L
I'm hoping my Dolphins are No. 9 ranked in power score LOL 12:32
As long as Josh McDaniels is the Raiders head coach....you can discount the Raiders
9th is gonna be the commanders, for sure
The Chiefs not being top 5 makes me question the accuracy and meaningfullness of this whole "power score" thing
EPA per play is EPA per play. We don’t control the stat 🤷🏼♂️
@BootlegFootball throw the whole stat out chiefs running it back to back on Philly like the drake song
Well that’s not entirely surprising because it doesn’t take into account things like turnovers, sacks, big play %, first down %, touchdown %, and things like that. It’s a more over arching stat vs a stat that really tries to get into the weeds of a team. I think for what the stat is trying to do and how they’re using it, it is perfect
@code5175 they were 6th I'm just messing 😅
@@BootlegFootballI think what happens is when you evaluate things like points scored and point differential and passing offense the same as you evaluate rushing defense it skews the actual reality of the chiefs..can we at least agree that some stats are more important than others?
I love this series. If u do it early we won't get the draft takes
This year go Chargers and Broncos. Chiefs regress, and Raiders probably don't have enough yet. Or maybe 3 teams get into playoffs.
1. Philli
3. Dallas
4. Buffalo
8. Jax
9. NE
Thoughts?
he said #1 wouldn't be who people would predict, so that means it's not Philly
It’s going to feel good when herb wins mvp
What issues did the chiefs face in 2022 ?? Aside from tyreek leaving they where one of the healthiest teams in the league?
Toney, Butker, and McDuffie missed a lot of games, other than that not much
@@TheNewHandleThingIsDumb Mahomes ankle in the 3 most important games of the year. Seems like a big one to me.
@@jared1750 true!
can we please stop talking about Herbert's rookie year. His second season was better in every way. the only differences between 21 and 22 were injuries and Staley rarely going for 4th downs. the play calling wasn't good in either he just had NFL level weapons for more than 5 games
Texans power ranking sneak peak lol
I see seven teams tied at 18.
Formulas can not account for injuries, suspensions, or referee calls that are or are not made in a game. Those are three large factors that swings all this “analysis” from being useful into being worthless.
i think the team brett said people won’t guess is the dolphins
23. New England
24. Saints
25. Atlanta
27. Panthers
31. Tampa Bay
Just a guess.
It's an okay division the chiefs are amazing and the chargers are good but held back by their coach they broncos will be better but not a playoff team most likely and the raiders are bad
I love the context of the title. Heard so many rumblings with all the different movement last offseason that the AFC West was going to be an absolute bloodshed and at least 3 or so teams were playoff locked. Glad that EJ admitted in the oversight it but I was one of the many (few if even?) who were skeptical. I trust the Chiefs. Didn't trust the Hackett and overall the Broncos (though that defense performed better than I expected). Didn't trust Staley regardless of how 'honest' Chargers fans want to be. And I trusted that McDaniels' experience with the run game was gonna get Jacobs looking good. Was mildly surprised that their O-line didn't perform like hot trash despite the talents they fielded. So yeah the AFC West show will still be ran by the Chefs. Staley will probably give another uninspiring finish to the season which Spanos will still find his performance acceptable. Raiders and especially the Broncos are in it for the long haul.
Change the thumbnail to “Wild West” like how you did Mayham. for the AFC north video DO IT NOW
Dolphins or Cowboys got a top 4 power score?
The last 3 top spots are probably Eagles, Bills, and I would guess Jets
@@Rintarok5 Nah it has to be Eagles, Bills, and Cowboys. They said top 7 power score all had double digit wins which leaves only those three.
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My guesses for the 19 missing spots (Texans were filled in at 32)
Teams:
1) Eagles*
2) 49ers
3) Bills*
4) Boys*
5) Bengals
6) Chiefs
7) Ravens
8) Dolphins*
9) Pats*
10) Steelers
11) Packers
12) Jags*
13) Giants*
14) Commanders*
15) Vikings
16) Seahawks
17) Browns
18) Titans*
19) Chargers
20) Bucs*
21) Broncos
22) Lions
23) Panthers*
24) Jets*
25) Saints*
26) Raiders
27) Falcons*
28) Rams
29) Cards
30) Bears
31) Colts*
32) Texans
Divisions:
1) NFC East*
2) AFC North
3) AFC East*
4) AFC West
5) NFC West
6) AFC South*
7) NFC North
8) NFC South*
Are the Cowboys #1 in the power score rank?
😂 C'mon now
We all know 😏... 🦅
@@noice1james167 they said it is not obvious
@@BrandonAiyukSZN oh... 😅😂
@@noice1james167 and I don't know any other team which would fit to this description
I bet at least two of the AFC east is on the top 10
To be honest guys, if you make a stat to help people understand something, but it takes 32x 15min segments to explain that stat, it's not helping.
1. Jets
3. Eagles
4. Bills
thats my guess
#9 I'm guessings the Jags.
20 seconds in..."I don't know which of these teams can knock them off". Uhhhh....yeah man not really sure the raiders or broncos are set up to be able to beat the Chiefs right now. Chargers are much closer and even they've still struggled with it.
Charger went 10-7 and made the playoffs. Not going to mention the choke job they did against the Jags?
Dolphins @4
Colts @9
Chargers 19th and Chiefs not 1st!? Your metric is disqualified if that's what it spit out
Oh god the cowboys are going to be number 1 aren’t they
Loved the video but just saying nobody in the division even has a 1% chance of outplaying Mahomes was pretty lazy analysis. He’s number 1 no doubt but I was looking forward to that segment and you guys just essentially said “nobody has a shot in hell” and moved on
I bet number 9 was the Patriots.
You didnt mention the raiders in your final segment, i guess you are expecting us to suck really badly
I mean yall dont even know who your QB1 is yet somehow, McDaniels is ass, your star running back may hold out, and your roster is dollar store patriots....so yea the raiders are prolly gonna suck
I would go a little bit further with number 15..pick 5 years,any 5 year period of any QB ever,I guarantee you it’s not good enough,last season alone is statistically and accolades wise the best season any QB has ever had.
I genuinely think the Chargers win the division this year
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
@@barrymacockiner4181 yeah it’s not like they won 10 games with an INSANE amount of injured and only lost by 3 to the chiefs when they matched up or anything
@@GalaxyOfBoltz Not a slight. We're sort of "I hear it every year but I'll believe it when I see it" vibe. Trust me, we don't want them to be as good as these two predict but can't deny the talent level. But again, see it and I'll believe it.
Chargers coaching staff is JV
@@donarmstrong2182 as a charger fan I agree, but am thrilled to have Kellen Moore as our OC compared to Joe Lombardi who never let Herbert throw deep.
Mahomes is well on his way to surpassing Brady and it won’t be close.
I think it's hilarious that Chiefs fans, players, and other "experts" act like everyone thought the Chiefs were going to fall off last year without Tyreek. The Chiefs had a great team and most people just said the offense wud be different because defenses cud play more than just a lot of cover 2 against them because without Tyreek teams cud play more 1 high looks. It's not like everyone didnt know the Chiefs were going to be a great team last year and I feel like the "experts" keep saying that was what happened because they want to act like they were right about something no one was really disagreeing with.
I mean the problem was nobody put up a good case last season as to why the Chiefs offense would actually fall off. Ironic considering part of 2021 Reid was experimenting on his 12/13 personnel. But he clearly didn't have the ideal guys to execute it properly until 2022 when the TE group got more experience, McKinnon was that nice back field receiver and Pacheco was their bowling ball. So teams that wanted to run light boxes were at the mercy of the Chiefs who were already changing their offense from a downfield one to an explosive YAC based one with Kelce being the centerpiece. Plus Mahomes has put together a body of work where he's a complete QB who can dissect matchups based on any coverage he sees.
Chiefs>chargers>broncos>>>>raiders
No love for Khalil Mack?
Your power score doesn't value qb enough
couldn’t this be a 17-min video?
I disagree with everything said in this video. The raiders are obviously top dawg in afc west
Do you watch at 4x speed or something?
Too bad we dont have mr. 9-8 who was mr. 9-7 i never have had a losing season but i badly underachieved many years once i didnt have Cincinnati and Cleveland to sweep and a split or sweep from Baltimore every year. Once my predecessors team leaders retired i never sniffed another superbowl despite having ben, brown, and bell! Oh i can vomit out clichés at press conferences that the press loves to lick up and shower me with "oh he is such a great leader" or "he is one of the greatest coaches around" yet how did my super talanted teams not advance beyond divisional round in the playoffs? Then we find out brown and bell were late to meetings when they even decided to show up, rapenberger was blaming everyone but himself for the steelers failures, and yet tomlin is steel vomiting out the same shit at press conferences and instead of the press attacking him about losing control of his team like they would any other coach they give him a pass and go after the players who did whatever their daddy let them get by with and full on go after them. The minute terry bradshaw the only one who had the guts to say the king has no clothes says that tomlin had lost control of the team it was time for a change the media either laughed like bradshaw was an old man or attacked and quickly cut him off. I have never seen a coach be so incredibly mediocre 12 years after winning a superbowl with a team built by the coach before him and the media is blind to the results since then. He gets a pass every year they dont succeed its never anything thats tomlins fault its always he has never had a losing season. The steelers are at the top of the list when it comes to drafting in fact thats who most teams have tried to copy when putting that part of their front office together. Dick haley was the standard for years and the steelers still have many fromthat system. Tomlin has always had the ingredients to work with. This upcoming season the schedule outside their own division is a joke so they will win a bunch of games and all the media will be showering tomlin with praise as he vomits out virtually the same chunks of clichés with a word or 2 different here and there and ince again the media will have their mouths wide open fighting each other to catch the best chunks before they even hit the ground! Then as usual when the steelers play a real team in the playoffs and lose either the wild card game or if they are extremely lucky the divisional round. Tomlins last press conference after the loss will be how the future is bright and waitll next year vomit will flow and the press will be praising him like he is the second coming. The big mystery to me is how complacent the steeler fans have become to mediocrity! Bill cowher was beating up that division and it was horrible then and he was either getting to the afc championship game regularly or getting to a superbowl and had he nit win when he did there were rumors about his future with the team. When he got big ben he won and retired leaving tomlin the keyes to a shiny well stocked team. My mother couldve coached thos teams to a superbowl. Tomlin was showered with love and respect that really shouldve went to bill cowherd. He had strong team leaders all over that team he inherited. Soon as those leaders were gone the cracks started surfacing. There was no longer any players to stand up to rottenberger so it started with him then the "great leader" couldnt stop the cancer from spreading and the underachieveing seemed to get a little worse every year hitting its zenith the bell and brown years when all the teams in their division stunk and they still got bounced out of the playoffs after 1 or 2 games and no one questioned tomlins ability to win the big 1. He missed his window of winning with his team cause now if watson plays the way he did in houston Pittsburgh not this year perhaps will be the division whipping boy . No more 5-1, or 6-0 division records for tomlin for sure unless there are major injuries with the other teams. Mark my words Pittsburgh will not make another superbowl with tomlin he may last another 10 years maybe more before he retires but i dont think the rooneys will fire him regardless unless fans turn on him due to that stupid rule named after them. I cant stand the steelers they have had their big runs so i love watching the team win just enough to keep the fans hopeful. The marty era in kc was similar except marty was a way better coach than tomlin who never had a qb with the talent of a rottenberger like tomlin did nor did he have a bell or a brown. Think marty would of had tomlins team and its players were allowed to be late to meetings or missing meetings and marty would just look away like tomlin? Hell no they wouldve known better than to even try it. You hear tomlin is a players coach may be but probably to a fault. I windered why they were underachievers for years andcwhen the antonio brown stuff blew up and the media conveniently swept the reports of players breaking rules and tomlin looking the other way under the rug and went after the kids instead of the dad always mystified me. They wouldve never let any other coach off the hook like that. Long rant i know but tomlin needs to get treated like every other head coach. I have suspected that they have propped him up because now that tony dungy is retired he is the only other black coach with any kind of success. Which isnt fair to the other coaches.
No
you know ball
@@Gagan_Ssome of these comments are gems.
Like, why are you here? There’s a million videos called “Why YOUR FAVORITE TEAM is GUARANTEED to WIN FIFTY SUPERB OWLS!”
@@jluchette why are you here replying to my obvious troll comments
I guarantee these power scores will be proven bs when the season begins.
Well they are based on last season’s EPA numbers so I would hope for a lot of these team’s sake that they improve haha
@@BootlegFootballclassic Brett, hedging both sides of the bet so he “never looks bad” but also doesn’t really say anything of value either
@@bradasskg11 Because when did last season total EPA numbers ever give an accurate prediction of how the team will do the WHOLE next season given the turnover and potential chaos of the NFL? Let alone between offense and defense, the defense performance/numbers have a higher chance of regressing for all different sorts of reasons. I didn't even touch on how things can turn out on first season/second season basis.
Yes, the AFC West is actually good. (Aside from the Raiders)
You're probably right, but even "the worst" team in the division has a ton of high end talent. Jacobs(top 5 at his position) Adams(top 5 at the position) Crosby(top 5 at the position). Really entertaining division.
Broncos*
That’s if Jacobs signs his franchise tag and doesn’t hold out.
@@luffytaro14 I think you’re severely over-valuing McDaniels and under-valuing Payton
@@alexostrem6599 agree to disagree. Don’t love Mcdaniels and don’t think Payton automatically makes the broncos better than the raiders
BORING TALK!!
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raiders are the best team
Excellent analysis. Great use of statistics, roster evaluation, sound logic, etc…. A really thorough , well thought out comment. You make a compelling argument. Lots of good information to consider. Thanks for sharing!
No its not Broncos Suck same with Raiders and Chargers are the Chargers. 1 good team KC