Responding to "the Lady Arkham being a pre-established member of the lore" criticism, the reason TT Batman doesn't get shit as opposed to Rocksteady is the former said in interviews a fair amount of times this Batman would be an original take with familiar and not so familiar things (heck Penguin is around Bruce's age in this incarnation). Meanwhile Rocksteady lied point blank and said AK was a brand new character because they knew it was obvious who it was.
Yeah, you know what that's actually fair and I have no rebuttal of that. Without that element I think they're equally sort of disappointing but you're definitely right.
Yes! The Selina leaving story bothered me too. It felt like a waste of time and effort to build a relationship with her just to have her say "Peace Out Bruce"
But it actually isn't like that. Your relationship with Selina Kyle continues in Season 2 and is very much in relation what you did or didn't do in S1.
Tbh: She’s a free spirit. She don’t like being tied down by anyone. Her & Bruce could not work out because she can’t be tied down while Bruce is different.
@Dlon Alokin I'd like to see Origins get the same treatment as the rest of the series, which had already been remastered. City already looked great and they did it anyway. But yes, the focus should be on newer things, Batman or not. Then again it's a whole game company, that could spare a team or two to lip sync a few scenes properly and probably finish patching the game
True. In fact Joker's motives and his relationship with Bruce/Batman makes more sense. Like in the vigilante storyline he is somewhat influence by Bruce/Batman to bring justice only he is much more brutal and violent than Batman and that's what makes him dangerous and unpredictable more so than Lady Arkham and Two-Face. As for the villain Joker depending on the player choice he's a deranged criminal mastermind who wants to ruin Bruce's life the way he felt he ruined his life, and to create as much chaos as possible while proving that friendships can be a poison sort of similar to the killing joke's Joker's philosophy that all it takes is one bad day to drive the saneist man mad.
It was a better 'original character' than Arkham Knight at least. Jason as the Arkham Knight was relatively the same character while Vicki Vale was batshit crazy
"The Pact" was great in the second game, but I would really love in the third game to have multiple villains that aren't necessarily connected. I liked how, in the first one, Two-Face and Penguin were both threats despite not working together. I'd like to see Scarecrow and Poison Ivy (hell, you could make PI a love interest like Catwoman to make that side of things more complicated) with the "Bruce Villain" being Black Mask (make him more of a corrupt industrialist than an outright supervillain, maybe he tries to buy out Wayne Enterprises or just makes them obsolete).
Okay, I kinda disagree with the Lady Arkham point. Basic revenge story is accurate, but I don’t think it’s handled that badly. If the Wayne family had just offed her family, then this would be alittle over the top. But the Wayne family had been doing this to multiple people, friends and randoms alike. Not just the Arkhams. And instead of being punished for it, the public seemed to praise them for it and call them the leaders of Gotham (only because they didn’t know what was going on, but we have to look at it from Lady Arkham’s perspective). And while the child of the Wayne family, some corrupt multimillionaire home, was living lavishly, Lady Arkham, lost her parents, and her new parents abused her and other kids. In her mind, all the good people were trampled on, and all the bad people got to go places in life. And I think her suit fits her mentality pretty well. She was abused at a really young age. The mask is reminiscent of like a stick figure that most kids draw when making their first person. So while it’s not the most visually appealing (especially compared to ANY of the villains in season 2), I feel like it shows how she hasn’t moved on, just like how Bruce dons his dark knight persona for his parents. My only gripes with her is that there’s no way you can afford gravitational boots and bo staff lessons that rival Batman on a reporters salary
Since they gave a lot of Hush characteristics to the Penguin, it might be complicated to pull it off... childhood friend of Bruce, coming from another old rich Gothamite family that lost its power/money, betrays Bruce and steals his company from him (like Tommy did in "Hush Money"), etc etc...
@@The_Comic_Geek - Hi! I'm not sure what teasing you're refering to, you mean the concept art of him? Or did I miss something else? I remember that some people wished that it was either Bruce or Hush visiting John at the end of the game, depending on the choices you've made, but it was just a fun theory, not an actual tease... Speaking of "Hush excitement", I can't believe how lame he was in *Batwoman* , they really wasted his character in that episode...
@@randallflagg3700 in Batman The telltale series The enemy within Bruce Wayne claims to have never visited John Doe in Arkham Asylum. however, at the end of the game it goes to a flashback of someone with Bruce Wayne's face visiting John don't, this could either be Clayface or Hush
@@The_Comic_Geek - Yeah, I kinda figured that it would be about this after-credit scene... but it was never stated that it was a flash-back, was it? I mean, I've seen a lot of fans wishing that it would be Tommy, but they were the first to admit that there was no proof or even clues, just wishful thinking on their part. Anyway, a third season would be such a wonderful news, I love the "Arkham" game but I think I'd be even more hyped about a new Telltale:Batman season. Or... ok, equally hyped. Long days and pleasant nights, fellow Bat-fan.
I feel like the second game remedied a lot of these issues. The combat was much more tailored to be full of options and were way more engaging, the villains were done very well, and I felt like the story in that game could be dramatically different based on how you play it. Hell, the 4th and 5th episodes practically had 2 versions of themselves.
My main complaint is how they were not very creative with the quick time events or the quick time event fails. I was hoping for a system similar to the Spider-Man 3 game where if u miss a button it would show the hero dying or getting hurt whereas in this u can pretty much just put down the controller and Batman will do the quick time events anyway. Not sure if anyone else feels the same as me.
I don't really feel the problem here with Lady Arkham. Was she remarkable or game changing like Phantasm or court of owls? No. But even though this is not set in exactly YEAR ONE, it is our origin of THIS Batman and I'm glad they didn't roll out the red carpet of super villains from the jump. I think the first Batman story should always have some down to earth villains. This one nails that with Carmine Falcone, Penguin, and Lady Arkham. She also does a real good job of confronting the whole "who is Bruce Wayne really?" Theme this whole season went for. She attacks Bruce while not being able to understand why Batman is "protecting" him. I think all the villains in this season were serviceable to the story had no problems with any of them and think they fit pretty well. My only gripe is the continuous over reliance on Joker. Imo Joker should be kept FAR away for a bit until Batman is fully established. Joker will ALWAYS be there, like that story is ready to go whenever. I imagine TT couldn't afford to have a dud so Joker was there for insurance to make sure people ended up getting the game but still there are so many more villains to fully explore, though I don't exactly mind the whole John Doe twist. If you're gonna throw Joker in at least they did something different with him.
I really liked the Telltale Games series. In my opinion, it actually shows one of the nest Bruce Waynes and Officer Gordons I‘ve seen in any video game so far.
I will say if you could plan out your moves ahead of time in every battle encounter, it could lean WAY harder into the "Be the Batman you want to be" thing. Like having very brutal options, having very efficient options, sloppy options, and not so brutal options, and it could effect how the people think of you or how people think criminals should be delt with.
For me the biggest thing wrong with this game was graphical bugs because either characters were in focus or not, or there was no audio sometimes and Jim Gordon’s cigarette smoke was this unrendered white blocks coming from it
James Codeline honestly, comparing those two do not make sense. Batman Arkham series is more of the comic lore of Batman. While Telltale Batman is simplify it’s own series with Batman lore but written. This is game series is basically fan Fiction. While Arkham series is more Canon to the comics.
@@alphawilliams7923This fanfic has more development and depth in the characters than the Arkham saga and this fanfic is the one that best adapts to Batman, not as a young man who puts the Joker even in the soup
I never really had any graphic errors now that you put it on the page its seems bad even with those nitpicks you can still go through not really noticing them the only one I noticed was the relationship between bruce and Selena and that’s really it
I have a mixed perspective on the whole “your choices don’t matter” thing. The majority of Telltale Games do it like the Kara chapters of Detroit. Your choices can shift visual details and minor events. That’s it as far as the obvious goes. It’s the relationships between characters that actually change. But aside from that, you don’t have any real control until the very end. Even then, certain events that want to play out will play out. Regardless of your input. All and all, I feel like Quantic handled the choice mechanic much better. But where they’re adapting and getting better at it. Telltale just never learned from their mistakes.
You touched upon this a bit in the last reason. But in the game (which could apply to any Telltale game) every single choice don't really matter. Or at least the choices doesn't vary by much. The game plays out how it wants.
They could of done what Minecraft Story Mode S2 did with some of their fights where u do sorta control Jesse during the fight but there is some QTEs sprinkled in there.
Degenerate Jay yeah but it seems that they don’t care about fans. 7 years without a game and we don’t have any news since 2015. Ok we know that it’s Batman but they have to be clear
I get what you're saying but I really think even if it's not there it's still in development from all these teases like Roger Craig Smith and Scott Snyder. I know people will be mad if it's not there though.
So am I the only one that actually really digged Lady Arkham? A shame the game didn't let you establish a more closer connection to Vicki so the the ultimate betrayal actually hit harder. I feel like alot of the conversations you had with her your responses were always hostile. Almost like the game trying to spoil it for you lol
Lady Arkham wasn't as poorly received as Arkham Knight because Telltale didn't go around spouting that she was a completely orignal character like Rocksteady did. And with the combat. It's a Telltale game. Not arkham. The game is story focused with cinematic scenes with fights, not a super advanced combat system like the Arkham series. Comparing the two in combat is really, really unfair. You can find the combat in the game uninteresting, I'm not saying that you can't have issues with the game. But comparing it to a different game that is in a different genre is a dumb comparison.
Yes, this. Also, the publicity for Telltale Batman kept most of its story under wraps, so we didn't even know about Lady Arkham (or even Penguin), so there was less manufactured hype than with Arkham Knight. Finally, the Lady Arkham reveal actually surprised a lot of people, while Arkham Knight was so, so OBVIOUS.
He was waaay too mellow as Batman. There was no spark of madness. He was basically Peter Parker in a Batsuit. Also the chooses were too broad and vague
I think that Telltale didn't get as much shit as Rocksteady got for Arkham Knight with the Lady Arkham character is that for all intents and purposes Lady Arkham was a brand new character much more than the Arkham Knight, Jason has acted similar to Arkham Knight in the comics while Vicki Vale has never been insane
With the release of the Shadow Edition, the Classic Edition got a ton of new glitches. They fixed Bruce’s broken neck and the black spasms during the Crime Alley scenes, but I played through the Classic again and I’m sending the new developers all these new glitches for some patches to be made hopefully
The engine that telltale was using was the telltale tool and it had been outdated for years by that point and it was super glitchy, if u have ever played Twd or wolf among us u will know what I mean, telltale was making a new engine before they went out of business
Talking about bugs, I had a character who was completely invisible so I had no idea they were even in the room until the screen cut to me making a dialogue choice to them and I had no idea who the fuck they were. In Enemy Within, when you're in the car with Harley for the first time driving to Wayne Tower it took me almost the entire car ride for me to realize that I was supposed to see through the windows, there was nothing there, just gray and apparently, I missed something funny.
The main bugs I got were the cop lady being onvisible in the section where I got to her after Harvey and a really annoying bug wherebmassive thick lines of pure white would come out of Gordon's cigarettes EVERY DAMN TIME he had one. Other than that, minor crap that didn't matter. The biggest sin is the option to let Alfred lose an entire eye and feel like he is a shit butler because of it. You only lose a part of your ear as the alternative Alfred, actually is affected by a choice that ultimately comes to nothing more than: Did you lose some skin or did Alfred end up half blind? Because the reveal doesn't mean anything. Also, on the note of QTEs always sucking, yeah most of them do, but if you play Metal Gear Rising:Revengeance, you will realise that they can be amazing, but almost noone does them right.
I actually loved Lady Arkham yeah while she wasn't the best villain I was personally surprised she was the big bad. The penguin was already a compelling villain alongside Harvey(John Doe too). While basic Lady Arkham was a surprise to me to who she was and maybe because it was my first batman game and the wanye storyline had me so invested but her villain outfit is terrible tho
Well I’m guessing the reason nobody got mad at the Lady Arkham Identity reveal is because the developers didn’t outright lie that they were a completely original character. Lady Arkham’s story was also not a complete copy of a much better story arc either, like say what you will about but it is at least a somewhat original idea unlike the Arkham Knight basically being a weaker retread of the red hood storyline
I agree about cat woman always leaving. I did and tried everything and the best I could do was get a kiss from her before she left. I enjoy story based games like this but that sucks that she leaves no matter what
The graphic bugs have all been fixed on the mobile version (the graphic quality downgraded tho). Also I like Lady Arkham tbh. She was born in Arkham because of Thomas Wayne (imagine growing up in an asylum it must be really traumatizing), then got adopted by a family that didn't give two shits about her and basically tortured her in a tiny chamber in their basement. And this whole thing wasn't only against the Waynes, she wanted the whole city to feel her wrath. I agree with what you said about her design tho. It felt refreshing having another villain than the Joker, Riddler, Bane, Harley Quinn and co.
I think my opinions on Lady Arkham are not super popular but I get her origin story, it's just one I feel like I've seen so much it didn't have too much impact to me.
I didnt like how easy the gane was. And that Harvey turns into Twoface, even when I save his faces. Not to mention me having to download all the episodes individually even with the Season Pass
You can NOT compare these 2 games to the Arkham series... they are both Batman properties but they are on opposite sides of the spectrum. The Arkham series are open world action adventure games and the telltale series are linear story based games. It is like comparing the bat mobile and the bat computer! FFS
I loved both Batman Telltale games, the first one moreso because I love Batman vs. the mob or things that feel more street level (obviously it later grows to something bigger) so I would love to see a third Arkham game that goes through Dick Grayson's origin. Bruce takes him in, and returns/is Batman trying to take down Tony Zucco while also having to look after Dick who is sneaking out at night and often running into Batman (similiar to Dick's New 52 origin) before Bruce brings him into the fold. Halfway through the game maybe Two-Face would break out and go after Bruce (since Two-Face is the Robin trial by fire villain) and Dick helps Batman save the day and the game would end with Dick training to become Robin. Or I would have Batman discover the Court of Owls after taking down Zucco and the Court wants Dick Grayson to become a Talon and Bruce has to fight to protect him and Gotham from some other plan ig since these games seem to evolve into "all of Gotham finna go down unless Batman saves the day."
I'm 50 50 with this video lady Arkham was great , the graphic glitches are annoying , the combat was ok , the story adapting thing would definitely need a upgrade , the detective stuff was good 50 percent good the other bad .
I would've mapped each button to a core attack during fights, letting the player choose how to attack. And maybe it would have a few bad options in certain scenarios. Like O shit, that attack hit him way too hard and now he's falling out of a 2 story window. You catch the thug but Falcone is gone by the time you get back to the roof. It also would have given you more options for that whole brutal or lawful Batman angle they were going for
Even beyond the top 5 here (which I mostly agree with -- btw, GotG has some significant ending changes, so much so that I can't figure out how they were ever planning to write a sequel), I would rank The Penguin as the top ball dropped. Once again, the writers decide to do something daring and different, but they change the character so much (making him a very weak Anarky character in effect, crossed with the Cobblepot family) that there's literally no reason to call him the Penguin. They have to make his gas mask (used for one important scene) look like a weird pale crow, for no clear reason at all that I can recall, and out of nowhere THAT'S supposed to be why he's called the Penguin. Has no one in Gotham ever once seen a penguin? Why would anyone anywhere look at that and think "penguin"?? What he's doing in the plot is fine enough (so far as I recall), but what's the point of even using his character if you intentionally jettison so much that you're left having to ad hoc a reason to have him be nicknamed the Penguin -- and then the reason makes less than no sense for that purpose? (Not you, of course, I mean the writers and/or producers.) Just have him be an entirely new villain persona like, ahem, "Arkham". Or make him this story's version of Anarky for the twist. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if that was in fact the original plan and somewhere along the line someone paying the bills insisted that he has to be "the Penguin".
In my opinion, lady Arkham was just a pointless addition. You could EASILY replace her with Scarecrow and you wouldn’t tell the difference. Is the writing still gonna be bad? Sure. But it makes more sense.
5 things it did wrong for me 1. Making the Penguin tall and skinny 2. The waynes were criminals 3. Killin Lucius Fox 4. Making Joker" John Doe' Wimpy and making us care for you. 5. Making Harley in charge and Joker her little puppy.
@@pedr0_m198 I know , but Joker is a villain I love to hate and this game version made me feel sorry for him. Last thing I want to do is feel sorry for the Joker lol
I liked the Storyline of Thomas Wayne being a Criminal and a Bad Person it made the story more refreshing Instead of the same story of the Wayne's being good people and dying in Crime Alley
Here’s what I don’t like about the second game: the relationship between Batman and Joker. I know you probably think I’m insane for saying that but hear me out. What makes Batman and Joker’s rivalry so great is that they have no personal connection and only enemies because of their opposing world views: Batman doesn’t kill because he believes that every bad person can be redeemed, even Joker and Joker causes chaos because he believes that every good person can be corrupted, even Batman. They have complete opposite views on the world but are still two sides of the same coin: they are both insane but in different ways and they were both created by the world they live in: Bruce lost his family to crime because Gotham is a hellhole and Joker was sent insane by society because Gotham is a hellhole (Joker’s past does keep changing but that part remains mostly the same) this along with their completely contrasting appearances and matching intelligence (although Batman is smarter) is why their rivalry is so special and this is shown tremendously in the Dark Knight and the Arkham games. With Telltale however, there is none of this. Joker hates Batman because he thinks he betrayed him because Batman was trying to stop him from murdering people. There are no contrasting world views or similar origins and their entire relationship is boiled down to another “best friends turned worst enemies” storyline, which Telltale had already done with Penguin and Two Face, and it makes it cliched and boring. I understand that a lot of people like Telltale’s version of their relationship and that’s fine but personally, I find it shallow compared to the previous versions because they seem to have completely ignored the deep and philosophical part of their rivalry in favour of making it another personal connection which as I said before, I find to be cliched and boring.
But remember this is the first year of Batman's career, so of course at this point he ain't the all powerful batman yet, he still is vunerable to drugs and stuff. Heck, even in the comics batman took venom so it kinda doesn't matter. And besides, no matter how much you train your mind and body drugs can still affect you no matter what.
The one thing I’ll say about the last one is that the journey is far more important then the destination, and everyone that plays will have a different journey yet reach the same ending.
like on one hand i appreciate that they had the balls to just make so many of the characters completely different from the comic versions but it still rubs me wrong
No graphics bug on my PC, no crashing either in my 26 hours spent with the game. The game does not run particularly well but nothing hardware can solve.
The first investigation was pretty good. But this is the telltale thing - the first episode is awesome, than the following three episodes are ok and the last one is either great or pretty disappointing.
QTE combat -- I was able to tolerate it, except that the design was often botched: the game gets you used to expecting to do such-n-such under certain situations and then switches up the expected inputs to something significantly different that also happens to be counter-intuitive to what in fact happens. I don't often curse games, but I got to the point of cussing the QTE combat several times every episode.
I think looking back telltale shouldn't have made bruce go down the path of a liability or made him get blackmailed/having him be the only family member left in Wayne manor like sure he has Alfred ... but at the same time when they write in gaps left and right about him being the bad son of Gotham like...ok its a batman/bruce we've never seen b4 its a different take on the character, but if you write a story about america's/DC's most beloved hero... dont write him as a sore character or less fleshed out or make him be something he wouldn't be he's what Gotham needs and should be a savior not a a person who is known for their lack of decency in human affairs or lack their of or hated hero .... ;/
I didn't like that his father was corrupt because the whole point was to live up to his father and vengeance for criminals killing innocent people and his parents are supposed to be that. If his parents where bad people then what is the point. Also bruce having sex with Harvey's girlfriend is stupid.
Nah... It wasn't a graphical bug. Bruce was just doing neck exercises
Wow 276 likes and no reply’s ( Also I’m the 276th like )
Plus you can actually turn your head that far around. (Based off the bridge scene he showed)
Responding to "the Lady Arkham being a pre-established member of the lore" criticism, the reason TT Batman doesn't get shit as opposed to Rocksteady is the former said in interviews a fair amount of times this Batman would be an original take with familiar and not so familiar things (heck Penguin is around Bruce's age in this incarnation). Meanwhile Rocksteady lied point blank and said AK was a brand new character because they knew it was obvious who it was.
Yeah, you know what that's actually fair and I have no rebuttal of that. Without that element I think they're equally sort of disappointing but you're definitely right.
Most of these complaints are just what telltale games are
Erik Nilsson that’s what I was thinking
You can have 10 things be the same and have them all make mistakes.
That doesn't excuse it's problems at all.
And the rest of the complaints comparing a tripe A Batman game to this game which makes no sense to me
Aidan DORRIES I’ve barely had glitches and I’m on my third playthrough
Until he mentioned her, I had completely forgotten about Lady Arkham.
Yes! The Selina leaving story bothered me too. It felt like a waste of time and effort to build a relationship with her just to have her say "Peace Out Bruce"
Agreed
I mean they never stay together
But it actually isn't like that. Your relationship with Selina Kyle continues in Season 2 and is very much in relation what you did or didn't do in S1.
That's pretty accurate, in every form of media either she leaves, they break up or goes to jail
Tbh: She’s a free spirit. She don’t like being tied down by anyone. Her & Bruce could not work out because she can’t be tied down while Bruce is different.
If WB ain’t gonna give us a new Batman game. Then at least give us a remastered Arkham Origins.
Preach
@Dlon Alokin I wanna see the graphics go *even further beyond*
@Dlon Alokin I'd like to see Origins get the same treatment as the rest of the series, which had already been remastered. City already looked great and they did it anyway. But yes, the focus should be on newer things, Batman or not. Then again it's a whole game company, that could spare a team or two to lip sync a few scenes properly and probably finish patching the game
we need a game which would be happening in the future
something like beyond arkham
Or remaked
I highly prefer the second game, because of the harley-joker inverted relation ship
At least they gave Joker the proper build up
@@HOTD108_ wowwwww dude thanks
True. In fact Joker's motives and his relationship with Bruce/Batman makes more sense. Like in the vigilante storyline he is somewhat influence by Bruce/Batman to bring justice only he is much more brutal and violent than Batman and that's what makes him dangerous and unpredictable more so than Lady Arkham and Two-Face. As for the villain Joker depending on the player choice he's a deranged criminal mastermind who wants to ruin Bruce's life the way he felt he ruined his life, and to create as much chaos as possible while proving that friendships can be a poison sort of similar to the killing joke's Joker's philosophy that all it takes is one bad day to drive the saneist man mad.
Wasn't a fan of Lady Arkham
It was a better 'original character' than Arkham Knight at least. Jason as the Arkham Knight was relatively the same character while Vicki Vale was batshit crazy
Chuck Finley
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@@BasedWorld690 The Arkham Knight was fine, it was the lies that made him seem awful.
"The Pact" was great in the second game, but I would really love in the third game to have multiple villains that aren't necessarily connected. I liked how, in the first one, Two-Face and Penguin were both threats despite not working together. I'd like to see Scarecrow and Poison Ivy (hell, you could make PI a love interest like Catwoman to make that side of things more complicated) with the "Bruce Villain" being Black Mask (make him more of a corrupt industrialist than an outright supervillain, maybe he tries to buy out Wayne Enterprises or just makes them obsolete).
this didnt age well
@@allenlivsey573how what happened???
Still probably better than the detective segments in Murdered: Soul Suspect
“The killer was here because....
Correct answer: The killer was here.”
Okay, I kinda disagree with the Lady Arkham point. Basic revenge story is accurate, but I don’t think it’s handled that badly. If the Wayne family had just offed her family, then this would be alittle over the top. But the Wayne family had been doing this to multiple people, friends and randoms alike. Not just the Arkhams. And instead of being punished for it, the public seemed to praise them for it and call them the leaders of Gotham (only because they didn’t know what was going on, but we have to look at it from Lady Arkham’s perspective). And while the child of the Wayne family, some corrupt multimillionaire home, was living lavishly, Lady Arkham, lost her parents, and her new parents abused her and other kids. In her mind, all the good people were trampled on, and all the bad people got to go places in life. And I think her suit fits her mentality pretty well. She was abused at a really young age. The mask is reminiscent of like a stick figure that most kids draw when making their first person. So while it’s not the most visually appealing (especially compared to ANY of the villains in season 2), I feel like it shows how she hasn’t moved on, just like how Bruce dons his dark knight persona for his parents. My only gripes with her is that there’s no way you can afford gravitational boots and bo staff lessons that rival Batman on a reporters salary
She probably had her gang or coddlepot steal stuff for her to get the things they need
Definitely preferred the second game and found the players actions (in the second game) made the game feel more meaningful
I thought the black shadow glitch was apart of the scene and I thought it was cool
I like the telltale games, but yea the story isn’t really tailored by how you play. Now Detroit Become Human does that exceptionally
Rory Strain season 2 improved on that a bit
@@BasedWorld690 i need to get on season 2 ASAP
Rory Strain episode 5 of season 2 was almost completely different depending on your choice at the end of episode 4 so it’s a massive improvement
Rory Strain that is true but just remember that unlike “The Batman: A Telltale Series” “Detroit Become Human” was a Triple A game.
Clayton Smith Neither of them are that good.
I love the Tell Tale Batman games. I love seeing both Bruce and Batman, and if a sequel was made I would wand Batman to go against Hush
Since they gave a lot of Hush characteristics to the Penguin, it might be complicated to pull it off... childhood friend of Bruce, coming from another old rich Gothamite family that lost its power/money, betrays Bruce and steals his company from him (like Tommy did in "Hush Money"), etc etc...
@@randallflagg3700 yeah but they teased him in the end of the second game so I was EXCITED to say the least
@@The_Comic_Geek - Hi! I'm not sure what teasing you're refering to, you mean the concept art of him? Or did I miss something else?
I remember that some people wished that it was either Bruce or Hush visiting John at the end of the game, depending on the choices you've made, but it was just a fun theory, not an actual tease...
Speaking of "Hush excitement", I can't believe how lame he was in *Batwoman* , they really wasted his character in that episode...
@@randallflagg3700 in Batman The telltale series The enemy within Bruce Wayne claims to have never visited John Doe in Arkham Asylum. however, at the end of the game it goes to a flashback of someone with Bruce Wayne's face visiting John don't, this could either be Clayface or Hush
@@The_Comic_Geek - Yeah, I kinda figured that it would be about this after-credit scene... but it was never stated that it was a flash-back, was it? I mean, I've seen a lot of fans wishing that it would be Tommy, but they were the first to admit that there was no proof or even clues, just wishful thinking on their part.
Anyway, a third season would be such a wonderful news, I love the "Arkham" game but I think I'd be even more hyped about a new Telltale:Batman season. Or... ok, equally hyped.
Long days and pleasant nights, fellow Bat-fan.
I feel like the second game remedied a lot of these issues. The combat was much more tailored to be full of options and were way more engaging, the villains were done very well, and I felt like the story in that game could be dramatically different based on how you play it. Hell, the 4th and 5th episodes practically had 2 versions of themselves.
My main complaint is how they were not very creative with the quick time events or the quick time event fails. I was hoping for a system similar to the Spider-Man 3 game where if u miss a button it would show the hero dying or getting hurt whereas in this u can pretty much just put down the controller and Batman will do the quick time events anyway. Not sure if anyone else feels the same as me.
I noticed that as well. Limits interactivity.
sometimes there will be something like that actually but I do get what you mean
I'm going to die...
Could you do the five worst Arkham series villains
Sae Wong 1. riddler
2. Riddler
3. Riddler
4: riddler
5. THE RIDDLER
I like the capitalization escalation lol. But this is a good idea.
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@Xinxxie After I said Spider-Man's combat is easy and ridiculous I think you're entitled to that.
@Xinxxie I'd say it looks cool and if you don't know how to beat him or if you haven't played the games in a while it can be nicely challenging.
Some of these complaints don’t make any sense to me🤷♀️🤷♀️
Same here
How come?
I don't really feel the problem here with Lady Arkham. Was she remarkable or game changing like Phantasm or court of owls? No. But even though this is not set in exactly YEAR ONE, it is our origin of THIS Batman and I'm glad they didn't roll out the red carpet of super villains from the jump. I think the first Batman story should always have some down to earth villains. This one nails that with Carmine Falcone, Penguin, and Lady Arkham. She also does a real good job of confronting the whole "who is Bruce Wayne really?" Theme this whole season went for. She attacks Bruce while not being able to understand why Batman is "protecting" him.
I think all the villains in this season were serviceable to the story had no problems with any of them and think they fit pretty well. My only gripe is the continuous over reliance on Joker. Imo Joker should be kept FAR away for a bit until Batman is fully established. Joker will ALWAYS be there, like that story is ready to go whenever. I imagine TT couldn't afford to have a dud so Joker was there for insurance to make sure people ended up getting the game but still there are so many more villains to fully explore, though I don't exactly mind the whole John Doe twist. If you're gonna throw Joker in at least they did something different with him.
I really liked the Telltale Games series. In my opinion, it actually shows one of the nest Bruce Waynes and Officer Gordons I‘ve seen in any video game so far.
I will say if you could plan out your moves ahead of time in every battle encounter, it could lean WAY harder into the "Be the Batman you want to be" thing. Like having very brutal options, having very efficient options, sloppy options, and not so brutal options, and it could effect how the people think of you or how people think criminals should be delt with.
Can’t believe the Batman game at the VGA may be a remaster of the Telltale games 🙄
For me the biggest thing wrong with this game was graphical bugs because either characters were in focus or not, or there was no audio sometimes and Jim Gordon’s cigarette smoke was this unrendered white blocks coming from it
I like lady Arkham I think she works rlly well in this story cuz she’s a direct mirror to Bruce.
She is well written.
I agree, but this dude is literally trying to compare Arkham with this game, two different things.
Stan Henderson not really their both Batman products the want to deliver a cinematic story
James Codeline honestly, comparing those two do not make sense.
Batman Arkham series is more of the comic lore of Batman.
While Telltale Batman is simplify it’s own series with Batman lore but written. This is game series is basically fan Fiction. While Arkham series is more Canon to the comics.
I loved Vicki as Lady Arkham
@@alphawilliams7923This fanfic has more development and depth in the characters than the Arkham saga and this fanfic is the one that best adapts to Batman, not as a young man who puts the Joker even in the soup
Fun game, but I agree "the allusion of choice" best describes this one (and the 2nd for the most part).
Hey, btw! TellTale is re-marketing their Batman games in one package! Usually a sign of anticipated forward movement! \o/
Forgot how many bugs there were
I never really had any graphic errors now that you put it on the page its seems bad even with those nitpicks you can still go through not really noticing them the only one I noticed was the relationship between bruce and Selena and that’s really it
I have a mixed perspective on the whole “your choices don’t matter” thing. The majority of Telltale Games do it like the Kara chapters of Detroit. Your choices can shift visual details and minor events. That’s it as far as the obvious goes. It’s the relationships between characters that actually change. But aside from that, you don’t have any real control until the very end. Even then, certain events that want to play out will play out. Regardless of your input.
All and all, I feel like Quantic handled the choice mechanic much better. But where they’re adapting and getting better at it. Telltale just never learned from their mistakes.
You touched upon this a bit in the last reason. But in the game (which could apply to any Telltale game) every single choice don't really matter. Or at least the choices doesn't vary by much. The game plays out how it wants.
They could of done what Minecraft Story Mode S2 did with some of their fights where u do sorta control Jesse during the fight but there is some QTEs sprinkled in there.
Probably being at the game awards instead of Arkham Legacy. Look at Sabi’s Twitter
I saw. Kind of annoying if thats there and AL isn't. Doesn't mean AL isn't a thing but it may be far out.
Degenerate Jay yeah but it seems that they don’t care about fans. 7 years without a game and we don’t have any news since 2015. Ok we know that it’s Batman but they have to be clear
I get what you're saying but I really think even if it's not there it's still in development from all these teases like Roger Craig Smith and Scott Snyder. I know people will be mad if it's not there though.
Degenerate Jay yeah of course it is. Btw I really like your channel,you’re a strong person buddy!📈
I liked Lady Arkham, and the reason I think her identity, is more interesting than Arkham Knight, because it's a lot more mysterious.
So am I the only one that actually really digged Lady Arkham?
A shame the game didn't let you establish a more closer connection to Vicki so the the ultimate betrayal actually hit harder. I feel like alot of the conversations you had with her your responses were always hostile. Almost like the game trying to spoil it for you lol
Lady Arkham wasn't as poorly received as Arkham Knight because Telltale didn't go around spouting that she was a completely orignal character like Rocksteady did.
And with the combat. It's a Telltale game. Not arkham. The game is story focused with cinematic scenes with fights, not a super advanced combat system like the Arkham series. Comparing the two in combat is really, really unfair.
You can find the combat in the game uninteresting, I'm not saying that you can't have issues with the game. But comparing it to a different game that is in a different genre is a dumb comparison.
Yes, this. Also, the publicity for Telltale Batman kept most of its story under wraps, so we didn't even know about Lady Arkham (or even Penguin), so there was less manufactured hype than with Arkham Knight. Finally, the Lady Arkham reveal actually surprised a lot of people, while Arkham Knight was so, so OBVIOUS.
Well yeah, but compare it to The Wolf Among Us! It legs you play with your enemies around, not just "press X to takedown" and are entertaining!
He was waaay too mellow as Batman. There was no spark of madness.
He was basically Peter Parker in a Batsuit.
Also the chooses were too broad and vague
I think that Telltale didn't get as much shit as Rocksteady got for Arkham Knight with the Lady Arkham character is that for all intents and purposes Lady Arkham was a brand new character much more than the Arkham Knight, Jason has acted similar to Arkham Knight in the comics while Vicki Vale has never been insane
The worst part about Lady Arkham is who it turned out to be. I would have no problem with an established character being Lady Arkham if it made sense.
Agreed I wasn't a big fan of that. I'd rather have had someone like Anarky be the villain.
With the release of the Shadow Edition, the Classic Edition got a ton of new glitches. They fixed Bruce’s broken neck and the black spasms during the Crime Alley scenes, but I played through the Classic again and I’m sending the new developers all these new glitches for some patches to be made hopefully
The engine that telltale was using was the telltale tool and it had been outdated for years by that point and it was super glitchy, if u have ever played Twd or wolf among us u will know what I mean, telltale was making a new engine before they went out of business
Talking about bugs, I had a character who was completely invisible so I had no idea they were even in the room until the screen cut to me making a dialogue choice to them and I had no idea who the fuck they were. In Enemy Within, when you're in the car with Harley for the first time driving to Wayne Tower it took me almost the entire car ride for me to realize that I was supposed to see through the windows, there was nothing there, just gray and apparently, I missed something funny.
I remember thinking those black patches during Bruce’s memory were supposed to be there. Like they were supposed to resemble some sort of memory loss
The main bugs I got were the cop lady being onvisible in the section where I got to her after Harvey and a really annoying bug wherebmassive thick lines of pure white would come out of Gordon's cigarettes EVERY DAMN TIME he had one. Other than that, minor crap that didn't matter.
The biggest sin is the option to let Alfred lose an entire eye and feel like he is a shit butler because of it. You only lose a part of your ear as the alternative Alfred, actually is affected by a choice that ultimately comes to nothing more than: Did you lose some skin or did Alfred end up half blind? Because the reveal doesn't mean anything.
Also, on the note of QTEs always sucking, yeah most of them do, but if you play Metal Gear Rising:Revengeance, you will realise that they can be amazing, but almost noone does them right.
13:59 That's how I look when my father talk about my grades
Can't believe you didn't show the bug where the arkham inmate just had eyes and a mouth. 🤣🤣🤣
I actually loved Lady Arkham yeah while she wasn't the best villain I was personally surprised she was the big bad. The penguin was already a compelling villain alongside Harvey(John Doe too). While basic Lady Arkham was a surprise to me to who she was and maybe because it was my first batman game and the wanye storyline had me so invested but her villain outfit is terrible tho
Well I’m guessing the reason nobody got mad at the Lady Arkham Identity reveal is because the developers didn’t outright lie that they were a completely original character. Lady Arkham’s story was also not a complete copy of a much better story arc either, like say what you will about but it is at least a somewhat original idea unlike the Arkham Knight basically being a weaker retread of the red hood storyline
I agree about cat woman always leaving. I did and tried everything and the best I could do was get a kiss from her before she left. I enjoy story based games like this but that sucks that she leaves no matter what
Lady arkham made me think of a rip off scarecrow
At least the sequel had some times when you could choose your attack
Overly critical for the sake of criticizing... this game slaps... little slow at times... but I live for these story driven games.
The graphic bugs have all been fixed on the mobile version (the graphic quality downgraded tho). Also I like Lady Arkham tbh. She was born in Arkham because of Thomas Wayne (imagine growing up in an asylum it must be really traumatizing), then got adopted by a family that didn't give two shits about her and basically tortured her in a tiny chamber in their basement. And this whole thing wasn't only against the Waynes, she wanted the whole city to feel her wrath. I agree with what you said about her design tho. It felt refreshing having another villain than the Joker, Riddler, Bane, Harley Quinn and co.
I think my opinions on Lady Arkham are not super popular but I get her origin story, it's just one I feel like I've seen so much it didn't have too much impact to me.
I did not like the horrible character assassination of Thomas Wayne nor making The Penguin skinny and normal stature and no deformed noses.
The only games that do quick time events well is the GOW series
Lady Arkham was awesome in my opinion
I didnt like how easy the gane was. And that Harvey turns into Twoface, even when I save his faces. Not to mention me having to download all the episodes individually even with the Season Pass
You can NOT compare these 2 games to the Arkham series... they are both Batman properties but they are on opposite sides of the spectrum. The Arkham series are open world action adventure games and the telltale series are linear story based games. It is like comparing the bat mobile and the bat computer! FFS
I loved both Batman Telltale games, the first one moreso because I love Batman vs. the mob or things that feel more street level (obviously it later grows to something bigger) so I would love to see a third Arkham game that goes through Dick Grayson's origin. Bruce takes him in, and returns/is Batman trying to take down Tony Zucco while also having to look after Dick who is sneaking out at night and often running into Batman (similiar to Dick's New 52 origin) before Bruce brings him into the fold. Halfway through the game maybe Two-Face would break out and go after Bruce (since Two-Face is the Robin trial by fire villain) and Dick helps Batman save the day and the game would end with Dick training to become Robin. Or I would have Batman discover the Court of Owls after taking down Zucco and the Court wants Dick Grayson to become a Talon and Bruce has to fight to protect him and Gotham from some other plan ig since these games seem to evolve into "all of Gotham finna go down unless Batman saves the day."
I'm 50 50 with this video lady Arkham was great , the graphic glitches are annoying , the combat was ok , the story adapting thing would definitely need a upgrade , the detective stuff was good 50 percent good the other bad .
This is the first time that I don't agree with you. Lady arkham art design is cool in a disturbing way and like nothing else. I like it.
I would've mapped each button to a core attack during fights, letting the player choose how to attack. And maybe it would have a few bad options in certain scenarios. Like O shit, that attack hit him way too hard and now he's falling out of a 2 story window. You catch the thug but Falcone is gone by the time you get back to the roof.
It also would have given you more options for that whole brutal or lawful Batman angle they were going for
Honestly this version of Harvey dent had more character than the arkham games
Even beyond the top 5 here (which I mostly agree with -- btw, GotG has some significant ending changes, so much so that I can't figure out how they were ever planning to write a sequel), I would rank The Penguin as the top ball dropped. Once again, the writers decide to do something daring and different, but they change the character so much (making him a very weak Anarky character in effect, crossed with the Cobblepot family) that there's literally no reason to call him the Penguin. They have to make his gas mask (used for one important scene) look like a weird pale crow, for no clear reason at all that I can recall, and out of nowhere THAT'S supposed to be why he's called the Penguin. Has no one in Gotham ever once seen a penguin? Why would anyone anywhere look at that and think "penguin"??
What he's doing in the plot is fine enough (so far as I recall), but what's the point of even using his character if you intentionally jettison so much that you're left having to ad hoc a reason to have him be nicknamed the Penguin -- and then the reason makes less than no sense for that purpose? (Not you, of course, I mean the writers and/or producers.) Just have him be an entirely new villain persona like, ahem, "Arkham". Or make him this story's version of Anarky for the twist. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if that was in fact the original plan and somewhere along the line someone paying the bills insisted that he has to be "the Penguin".
In my opinion, lady Arkham was just a pointless addition. You could EASILY replace her with Scarecrow and you wouldn’t tell the difference. Is the writing still gonna be bad? Sure. But it makes more sense.
5 things it did wrong for me
1. Making the Penguin tall and skinny
2. The waynes were criminals
3. Killin Lucius Fox
4. Making Joker" John Doe' Wimpy and making us care for you.
5. Making Harley in charge and Joker her little puppy.
It's a different path, the Joker didn't existed until episode 5. He was Jon Doe.
@@pedr0_m198 I know , but Joker is a villain I love to hate and this game version made me feel sorry for him. Last thing I want to do is feel sorry for the Joker lol
I liked the Storyline of Thomas Wayne being a Criminal and a Bad Person it made the story more refreshing Instead of the same story of the Wayne's being good people and dying in Crime Alley
Killing Lucuis is the only one I agree with.
That shit pisses me the fuck off. He never even got to make Bruce The Bat Wing :(
I think the ending works rlly well actually disagree.
If just just made lady Arkham scarecrow I would’ve heavily preferred that
Lady Arkham is basically Scarecrow with a personal vendetta against the Wayne family.
I had no graphical bugs on pc and I have nothing against quicktime events.
Personally,I didn't mind the CSI stuff for some reason, but you do have a point.
I totally agree! I love the Telltale franchise, this game was great but had a lot of flaws! Great job i love the channel!
"Except they didn't get any of the crap"
because the reveal wasn't obvious.
Here’s what I don’t like about the second game: the relationship between Batman and Joker. I know you probably think I’m insane for saying that but hear me out. What makes Batman and Joker’s rivalry so great is that they have no personal connection and only enemies because of their opposing world views: Batman doesn’t kill because he believes that every bad person can be redeemed, even Joker and Joker causes chaos because he believes that every good person can be corrupted, even Batman. They have complete opposite views on the world but are still two sides of the same coin: they are both insane but in different ways and they were both created by the world they live in: Bruce lost his family to crime because Gotham is a hellhole and Joker was sent insane by society because Gotham is a hellhole (Joker’s past does keep changing but that part remains mostly the same) this along with their completely contrasting appearances and matching intelligence (although Batman is smarter) is why their rivalry is so special and this is shown tremendously in the Dark Knight and the Arkham games. With Telltale however, there is none of this. Joker hates Batman because he thinks he betrayed him because Batman was trying to stop him from murdering people. There are no contrasting world views or similar origins and their entire relationship is boiled down to another “best friends turned worst enemies” storyline, which Telltale had already done with Penguin and Two Face, and it makes it cliched and boring. I understand that a lot of people like Telltale’s version of their relationship and that’s fine but personally, I find it shallow compared to the previous versions because they seem to have completely ignored the deep and philosophical part of their rivalry in favour of making it another personal connection which as I said before, I find to be cliched and boring.
I see John doe and joker as two completely different characters
The combat looks awesome and it works rlly well for this kind of game.
Combat in the final season of walking dead was amazing seriously it’s actually fun to play they made it more then quick time events
Omg the lady who was checking in bruce into harvey's office, in my game she had no hair XD
*every other video* Jay: Idgaf about spoilers
*This video* Jay: No spoilers yall
I'm basically the Joker of narrative lol
It is minor, but I hated how Bruce Wayne, master of his mind and body, was so quickly succumb to Vicki's drug.
But remember this is the first year of Batman's career, so of course at this point he ain't the all powerful batman yet, he still is vunerable to drugs and stuff. Heck, even in the comics batman took venom so it kinda doesn't matter. And besides, no matter how much you train your mind and body drugs can still affect you no matter what.
I mean Batman is infected by Scarecrow gas like ten times a day even when he does what he does forv10 years and I don't see anyone complaining.
The one thing I’ll say about the last one is that the journey is far more important then the destination, and everyone that plays will have a different journey yet reach the same ending.
Dimes 4 Crimes well if you game says that sorry adapts to the character and each ending is different then they are just plain lying
@dimes4crimes78story, not plot
I saw Lady Arkham and I thought it was Scarecrow at first
even minecraft Story mode had SOME combat, this is all quick time
Cant wait for u to do Enemy Within
Can’t wait for Enemy Within!
I like quicktime events, and if you go into a telltale games you really should expect it
like on one hand i appreciate that they had the balls to just make so many of the characters completely different from the comic versions but it still rubs me wrong
A really good Batman game would be the gameplay of Batman Arkham and the story and choices of telltale that would be awesome
Most striking thing to me is the lack of Batman gameplay. Wish there was way more.
7:15 the lights.... is this Loss? 😳😳😳
No graphics bug on my PC, no crashing either in my 26 hours spent with the game.
The game does not run particularly well but nothing hardware can solve.
The first investigation was pretty good. But this is the telltale thing - the first episode is awesome, than the following three episodes are ok and the last one is either great or pretty disappointing.
I hate that Blue monster. Why didn't they replaced him with CROC OLD BOY ???
QTE combat -- I was able to tolerate it, except that the design was often botched: the game gets you used to expecting to do such-n-such under certain situations and then switches up the expected inputs to something significantly different that also happens to be counter-intuitive to what in fact happens. I don't often curse games, but I got to the point of cussing the QTE combat several times every episode.
I actually liked the QTE Combat I mostly liked the part where you could plan out an Attack and Execute it
I actually liked Lady Arkham
I usually agree with you jay but i feel your nitpicking this time
I think looking back telltale shouldn't have made bruce go down the path of a liability or made him get blackmailed/having him be the only family member left in Wayne manor like sure he has Alfred ... but at the same time when they write in gaps left and right about him being the bad son of Gotham like...ok its a batman/bruce we've never seen b4 its a different take on the character, but if you write a story about america's/DC's most beloved hero... dont write him as a sore character or less fleshed out or make him be something he wouldn't be he's what Gotham needs and should be a savior not a a person who is known for their lack of decency in human affairs or lack their of or hated hero .... ;/
I only had the neck dislocation bug
I didn't like that his father was corrupt because the whole point was to live up to his father and vengeance for criminals killing innocent people and his parents are supposed to be that. If his parents where bad people then what is the point. Also bruce having sex with Harvey's girlfriend is stupid.
Can you imagine a game that combines arkham combat and tell tale story control