I think there's a perfectly easy and rational metaphysical explanation for, if not a god, then a ground of being that could, and did, become gods in the past and present. It goes a little something like this: Humans are intelligent and sentient. Humans derived from the universe. Therefore the universe must be at least equally intelligent and sentient in some manner, and given how it presents itself to us, likely much more intelligent. One can then extrapolate and say that the universe possesses _all_ the intelligence, while our own is simply a part of it. Hence, the universe _is_ god, and we the mortals. We are "made in the image" of that universe in a sense, born from its elements, and subject to and in awe of its myriad powers, of which we had little explanation until relatively recently. This simple metaphysical argument, I feel, gets straight to the core of practically all deist religion. None of this requires a stretch of imagination or the use of academic terminology. It was only after this simple argument was made so, so long ago, that it was embellished and adorned and decorated and accessorized to become the religions we know today.
@@Sharky1101 ... the soul is our "Awareness with Free Will" that science, until today, has no clue what it is made of... NO ONE knows... the reason is because the essence of GOD is a forbidden knowledge and our souls are free splits of the Holy Spirit...
According to ACIM, complexity refers to the perceived multitude of problems and challenges arising from the ego's perception of separation. Simplicity represents the underlying truth that all problems stem from a single source ( separation) and can be resolved through the practice of forgiveness and the realization of the unity with God, which signifies a clear and unified perspective on the nature of reality.
Spend quality time with God by listening to the Bible and singing worship out loud. Do that daily, and you'll find God. Eventually, you will learn that God has been with you this whole time.
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Just be open-minded, and trust the process. Elizabeth Marie Hawley will guide you every step of the way. And don't forget to share your testimony with others when you see the results!
A theist who claims that God has to be simple to create a complex world is certainly not drawing that conclusion from what is written in the Bible. You have to ask him where he got that information from.
@ thank you for clearing that up. Finally we can lay to rest thousands of years of human thought and scientific exploration. Peweegang has it all mapped out. I will sleep easier tonight on account of your boundless arrogance.
Why is there no music in my soul? Why is it that I cannot sing like a normal bird can sing? The seer suddenly sees that all is love for the first time and realises then the reason why there was no music in the seers soul.
@santlalchaudhary424 Everything appears in consciousness, but you can choose where your consciousness resides: In our mind, our intellect, our body, our possessions, our status, or in our heart. Where consciousness dwells is always our choice.
@santlalchaudhary424 When you discover the overwhelming love that resides within, it comes from God. In so being we find our true self, and we find God, and there is only love. The troubled mind dissolves in the presence of love. That is the only way.
It may be that God can not be grasped by the intellect; Can not be known or understood by the mind; he can be loved. Love God with all your heart. It’s his love that you can reciprocate. Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. God is not far and hard to discern if by love.
All this phenomena is going to pass away. Robert, it is in your best interest to purchase these books here blow and spend some alone time with yourself and really consider such content. It is indispenable; it is imperative. Upanishads translated by Nikhilananda 4 vol. set, and the 18 principal Upanishads translated by Radhakrisnan. Upadesa sahashria by sankara, translated by jagadananda. Vivekacudamani by sankara, translated by Madhavananda. Brahma Sutra, commentary by Shankaracharya translated by Gambriananda, and another commentary by Ramanuja, translated by George Thibaut. Bhagavad Gita, translated by Sri Aurobindo. The upanishads aren't just a text or conclusion of the Veda, they are a mirror for contemplation.
@@santlalchaudhary424 India is one of three main powerhouses when it comes to Divinity and Spirituality, the two others being the Greeks and Egyptian's. Others may not acknowledge such, but I do, and I currently reside in Canada.
...Suppose the Eternal World is actually the level to which we pass, Quantum with marvelous new sciences, respectfully ordinarychuck hotmail... captivus brevis... you tube...there is so much yet for us to learn, keep those brilliant minds free... Blessings...
Dont think guys figure out God. First he figure out God It is inconsistency with experiement evidence. Instead lack emperism. So shows up God is NOT honest experiences. Proof out, a lot rambling.
How's this for a metaphysics? God created the world of, by definition, Not-God. Accordingly, if you flip the divine attributes you have a pretty fair description of the attributes of the world we live in. And living in Not-God, being Not-God, we can't possibly comprehend God, only believe or not believe in God. It's a real pain in the backside--isn't it?--to have to keep saying God or, worse yet, Godself, instead of Him or Himself, to avoid committing a sin against political correctness.
..realizing that we are all ignorant of the truth is the accurate statement, not what you said... ...and being ignorant of the truth does not mean we are incapable of believing for a good reason such as believing our Awareness could only possibly originate from an AWARE SOURCE or God... this is way much saner than believing that you are a Conscious Product of Unconscious Bigbang out of NOTHING which is worst than all the fairy tales in the world..
Einstein died without realizing that spacetime does not exist, just an illusion.... His doubts about the existence of God made him vulnerable to the influence of dark spirits that ended him fotmulating E=MC Squared that led to the creation of Atomic Bomb...
The Abrahamic religions are only one of many opinions on the subject. And covers only a tiny portion of the planets religions over our history. Besides, the Abrahamic religions could not have been created anywhere else on the entire planet. And just in this time in history.
@@johnrichardson7629 yes, squid and all other creatures are the product of evolution guided by God. Close your eyes and meditate on God. You will be able to see and feel his presence. Many people have reported such.
"What that God would be like" The highest methodology is Apophasis, netti netti, via negativa, theurgy - all the same thing. There is no other for comparison to God; thus no definition can there be. There's no limitation of God therefore no circumscribing, no place, no distinction. God is transcendent to characteristics, place, time, mass and magnitude; but the gods do have characteristics and attributes. ^ there can be no other way. But apophasis isn't merely detraction, it's removable of name and form. Apophasis and kataphatic is one and not two. Everything affirmed by kataphatic is, and apophasis removes only the name, form, condition, it's essence remains. The mind hinders man. "God has to be an object or else i wont believe in him". Fine. Whatever.
Not actually “very interesting argumentation”. If metaphysics has any chance of making a single valid statement about the world it must, surely, decide whether the world is god-created or a meaningless accident. (Or - my view - something more subtle…)
Until proved otherwise, "god-created or a meaningless accident" is likely a false dichotomy. I am curious. Which "something more subtle" are you thinking of?
@ Well now, you’re probing my personal philosophy (which I take very seriously). It probably makes little sense without all the background. But, since you ask, I am a philosophical idealist - I believe (I’d prefer to say I logically conclude) that the universe is “more like a great thought than a great machine”. I hope I got that quote right (Sir James Jeans, physicist/cosmologist around 100 years ago). But I don’t accept any infinities (partly because I accept arguments - e.g. Konrad Zuse - for a computable universe). Therefore I have to believe in a finite consciousness underlying reality. Not God, not a meaningless accident, just a conscious world which, presumably, takes a special interest in its conscious creation, i.e. us. That makes me an optimist.
@@richardatkinson4710 Regarding arguments, it seems to me that all of them ultimately rely on unjustified assumptions for which we are ultimately left to prior probabilities coming from our biology and/or from our personal history (the so-called “self-evident” statements). I am skeptic about absolute meaningfulness so in “meaningless accident”, this is the “accident” part that I would question. Until proved otherwise, we have nothing other than intuitions that anything we experience could have not been or could have been any different. I am not sure that such intuitions are correct and I would certainly not consider them as evidence for anything.
I think there's a perfectly easy and rational metaphysical explanation for, if not a god, then a ground of being that could, and did, become gods in the past and present. It goes a little something like this: Humans are intelligent and sentient. Humans derived from the universe. Therefore the universe must be at least equally intelligent and sentient in some manner, and given how it presents itself to us, likely much more intelligent. One can then extrapolate and say that the universe possesses _all_ the intelligence, while our own is simply a part of it. Hence, the universe _is_ god, and we the mortals. We are "made in the image" of that universe in a sense, born from its elements, and subject to and in awe of its myriad powers, of which we had little explanation until relatively recently.
This simple metaphysical argument, I feel, gets straight to the core of practically all deist religion. None of this requires a stretch of imagination or the use of academic terminology. It was only after this simple argument was made so, so long ago, that it was embellished and adorned and decorated and accessorized to become the religions we know today.
...only our physical brain and body are made of physical elements but not our immortal souls who are free splits of the Holy Spirit....
@@evaadam3635if our soul is an entity then what is it made from if not from any material?
@@Sharky1101 our little mind can not perceive that
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@@Sharky1101 ... the soul is our "Awareness with Free Will" that science, until today, has no clue what it is made of... NO ONE knows... the reason is because the essence of GOD is a forbidden knowledge and our souls are free splits of the Holy Spirit...
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According to ACIM, complexity refers to the perceived multitude of problems and challenges arising from the ego's perception of separation. Simplicity represents the underlying truth that all problems stem from a single source ( separation) and can be resolved through the practice of forgiveness and the realization of the unity with God, which signifies a clear and unified perspective on the nature of reality.
@@realitycheck1231 you are right
Does ACIM or you know why the perception of separation was created within oneness?
The ultimate realization in metaphysics is the understanding that truth is one (or, that there is only god or all is self).
Spend quality time with God by listening to the Bible and singing worship out loud.
Do that daily, and you'll find God.
Eventually, you will learn that God has been with you this whole time.
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Just be open-minded, and trust the process. Elizabeth Marie Hawley will guide you every step of the way. And don't forget to share your testimony with others when you see the results!
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These men are rationalizing and quite effectively too...
An incoherent dialogue that goes back and forth having no real basis held up by controversies of semantics. Modernity in a nutshell. WELCOME!
Can Metaphysics Discern God? I think the poor in spirit might be a better option.
Can physics discern an electron? I’ve been searching for electrons all my life. Fundamentally how can physics tell me what an electron is?
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I was thinking that too 😂😂
*"Someone found his Twin Brother"*
... Only thing better would have been if the video was about "parallel universes."
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The ultimate reality in metaphysics does't resembles the God of religion.
@@binucheriyan4492 Say more?
A theist who claims that God has to be simple to create a complex world is certainly not drawing that conclusion from what is written in the Bible. You have to ask him where he got that information from.
There can be other conceptions of a god. Are you really so self absorbed as to not be able to understand that?
@asyetundetermined Concepts vs reality.
@@peweegangloku6428 so that’s a yes then? Remarkable.
@@asyetundetermined No. Reality dictates a complex origin not a simple one.
@ thank you for clearing that up. Finally we can lay to rest thousands of years of human thought and scientific exploration. Peweegang has it all mapped out. I will sleep easier tonight on account of your boundless arrogance.
Why is there no music in my soul? Why is it that I cannot sing like a normal bird can sing? The seer suddenly sees that all is love for the first time and realises then the reason why there was no music in the seers soul.
@@Roshan-q6n our soul surely sings but our noisy mind give hindrance
@santlalchaudhary424 Let it rest in the heart.
@santlalchaudhary424 Everything appears in consciousness, but you can choose where your consciousness resides: In our mind, our intellect, our body, our possessions, our status, or in our heart. Where consciousness dwells is always our choice.
@santlalchaudhary424 When you discover the overwhelming love that resides within, it comes from God. In so being we find our true self, and we find God, and there is only love. The troubled mind dissolves in the presence of love. That is the only way.
Hawthorne effect
It may be that God can not be grasped by the intellect; Can not be known or understood by the mind; he can be loved. Love God with all your heart. It’s his love that you can reciprocate. Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. God is not far and hard to discern if by love.
All this phenomena is going to pass away. Robert, it is in your best interest to purchase these books here blow and spend some alone time with yourself and really consider such content. It is indispenable; it is imperative.
Upanishads translated by Nikhilananda 4 vol. set, and the 18 principal Upanishads translated by Radhakrisnan.
Upadesa sahashria by sankara, translated by jagadananda.
Vivekacudamani by sankara, translated by Madhavananda.
Brahma Sutra, commentary by Shankaracharya translated by Gambriananda, and another commentary by Ramanuja, translated by George Thibaut.
Bhagavad Gita, translated by Sri Aurobindo.
The upanishads aren't just a text or conclusion of the Veda, they are a mirror for contemplation.
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@@santlalchaudhary424 India is one of three main powerhouses when it comes to Divinity and Spirituality, the two others being the Greeks and Egyptian's. Others may not acknowledge such, but I do, and I currently reside in Canada.
A punching metaphysician? See Chris Langan's CTMU and stop vascullating.
...Suppose the Eternal World is actually the level to which we pass, Quantum with marvelous new sciences, respectfully ordinarychuck hotmail... captivus brevis... you tube...there is so much yet for us to learn, keep those brilliant minds free... Blessings...
I first thought he was talking to himself
Dont think guys figure out God. First he figure out God It is inconsistency with experiement evidence. Instead lack emperism. So shows up God is NOT honest experiences. Proof out, a lot rambling.
Elon Out here looking like John .. what the FA
How's this for a metaphysics? God created the world of, by definition, Not-God. Accordingly, if you flip the divine attributes you have a pretty fair description of the attributes of the world we live in. And living in Not-God, being Not-God, we can't possibly comprehend God, only believe or not believe in God. It's a real pain in the backside--isn't it?--to have to keep saying God or, worse yet, Godself, instead of Him or Himself, to avoid committing a sin against political correctness.
You must be a heretic! Although I do see your point…
Answer every other question about God except for the one asked 😂😂😂😂
Professor Hawthorne seems a bit cranky 😅.
Wanted no part of this whole conversation!
Nothing here to see folks!
Definately, in the future after science advanced. Let's see. I am not a scientist but I saw spirits. This is universal truth
The problem becomes easier to solve once you realize that God is merely a glorified fairy. 😮
..realizing that we are all ignorant of the truth is the accurate statement, not what you said...
...and being ignorant of the truth does not mean we are incapable of believing for a good reason such as believing our Awareness could only possibly originate from an AWARE SOURCE or God... this is way much saner than believing that you are a Conscious Product of Unconscious Bigbang out of NOTHING which is worst than all the fairy tales in the world..
Still obsessed with the naive god hypothesis
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Einstein never found God, Although he believed in the order of the “universal Spinoza”…
Einstein died without realizing that spacetime does not exist, just an illusion.... His doubts about the existence of God made him vulnerable to the influence of dark spirits that ended him fotmulating E=MC Squared that led to the creation of Atomic Bomb...
Mathematical truth exists. Moral truth exists. Jesus came to bring light to this dark world. Amen 🙏😇
The Abrahamic religions are only one of many opinions on the subject.
And covers only a tiny portion of the planets religions over our history.
Besides, the Abrahamic religions could not have been created anywhere else on the entire planet. And just in this time in history.
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GOD exixts. The creator God created everything we can think of.
I can think of a giant green, orange and purple flying squid. So God created one? Where is it. It'd be cool to see it!
@@johnrichardson7629 yes, squid and all other creatures are the product of evolution guided by God. Close your eyes and meditate on God. You will be able to see and feel his presence. Many people have reported such.
"What that God would be like"
The highest methodology is Apophasis, netti netti, via negativa, theurgy - all the same thing. There is no other for comparison to God; thus no definition can there be. There's no limitation of God therefore no circumscribing, no place, no distinction. God is transcendent to characteristics, place, time, mass and magnitude; but the gods do have characteristics and attributes.
^ there can be no other way. But apophasis isn't merely detraction, it's removable of name and form. Apophasis and kataphatic is one and not two. Everything affirmed by kataphatic is, and apophasis removes only the name, form, condition, it's essence remains.
The mind hinders man. "God has to be an object or else i wont believe in him".
Fine. Whatever.
Nope
Not actually “very interesting argumentation”. If metaphysics has any chance of making a single valid statement about the world it must, surely, decide whether the world is god-created or a meaningless accident. (Or - my view - something more subtle…)
Until proved otherwise, "god-created or a meaningless accident" is likely a false dichotomy. I am curious. Which "something more subtle" are you thinking of?
@ Well now, you’re probing my personal philosophy (which I take very seriously). It probably makes little sense without all the background. But, since you ask, I am a philosophical idealist - I believe (I’d prefer to say I logically conclude) that the universe is “more like a great thought than a great machine”. I hope I got that quote right (Sir James Jeans, physicist/cosmologist around 100 years ago). But I don’t accept any infinities (partly because I accept arguments - e.g. Konrad Zuse - for a computable universe). Therefore I have to believe in a finite consciousness underlying reality. Not God, not a meaningless accident, just a conscious world which, presumably, takes a special interest in its conscious creation, i.e. us. That makes me an optimist.
@@richardatkinson4710 Thanks for your reply. This seems quite far from how I see things on my side but that's fine.
@ Do you have a “third way”?
@@richardatkinson4710 Regarding arguments, it seems to me that all of them ultimately rely on unjustified assumptions for which we are ultimately left to prior probabilities coming from our biology and/or from our personal history (the so-called “self-evident” statements).
I am skeptic about absolute meaningfulness so in “meaningless accident”, this is the “accident” part that I would question. Until proved otherwise, we have nothing other than intuitions that anything we experience could have not been or could have been any different. I am not sure that such intuitions are correct and I would certainly not consider them as evidence for anything.