God likes discussion and company even if He knows everything. He wants us to experience life with Him after all. He is with us right now. Talk with him. Or don't.
All death is certain. However it’s still important to if you can fight for what’s really right. I guess that’s all something that’s extremely difficult to decide.
Heard from whom? By God, of course! I love this character more and more. Neither fear nor malice touched his heart, only an unending commitment to the defense of the Faith and the poor.
I like the slight pause when he refers to Balian's brother "and this....priest." like he's disgusted to refer to him as a holy man as he knows what kind of person he really is.
The Director's Cut is a far superior film, and I personally loved how in the theatrical cut he's just a knight, but in the Director's Cut he's an angel. That scene where Balian turns away, and turns back only to see a barren wilderness where seconds before the Hospitaller stood is a great scene. Trivia would have it that the horse's sudden skittishness was not planned, but just happened at that moment which makes the scene seem all the more supernatural.
Confirmed by screenwriter. He is an angel. They didn't even tell the actor the truth because they wanted it to feel natural, but according to him, he picked up on it, and loves the idea.
The retroactive angel plot is laughably stupid. It’s not just worse, it actually ruins the character. Maybe the greatest scene in the movie, “all death is certain”, is completely torpedoed knowing this man doesn’t even exist. Obnoxiously bad.
@@nickthomas9945 The entire film is about an ancient city, that's still being fought over, in the name of the same God, with a character that exudes knowledge and acts as if everything is as planned. Who appears out of thin air, twice; and seemingly resurrects the main character after he's beaten to a pulp. The biblical burning bush, igniting on it's own, twice......all of this, and you think him being an angel makes it bad, after so many spiritual references.
Most of his lines in the movie are dubious, you can take them either from an Angel or a faithful God's man. The incredible thing is, in both cases, the effect is the same: To bring a moral contemplation on man's religion x God's true will. Maybe more important than the answer of either angel or man, is the depth of a movie that brings the very question in such subtle, genial, form.
@@larsdewit6521 there's a book by Eduardo Spohr called The Battle of Revelation where the author develops the idea of angels being made into flesh to experience, understand, worship and record Gods work while they live as earthly beings. They go through the same sufferings and misfortunes as humans but always embody His spirit. You could think of the hospitaller as one of this angels, here on earth living and anotating the miracle, sometimes guiding and healing people, looking cool and all... sometimes knowing the horrors they will face, but toughing it anyways because its their duty and it serves the greater purpose. I think it's interesting
I personally believe the Hospitaller is an angel sent by God to guide Balian and prepare him to Jerusalem righteously. In the beginning, The Hospitaller helps hone Balian's abilities, and when he starts to lead in Jerusalem, he guides Balian toward the deeper truth: God desires peace, not endless war and the Lord is using Balian to be a protector for both the Jews, Christians, and Muslims that are caught up in the conflict. At the end of the movie, it is then and only then that the angel leaves to go with the army as he knows that Jerusalem is in safe hands because he has guided Balian on the right path. Such a fantastic character.
Not to mention all the wierd stuff he sais to Balian, despite him being a crusader. To say what he said would be considered blasphemy in those days by the rest of the crusaders.
As a Chaplain of the Order of St John of Malta (of which this character is a member) I loved this line. It perfectly embodies the role of a Chaplain. Men do terrible things in the name of religion, men do great things in the name of faith. Its hard to discern what is faith and what is religion sometimes, but Christ never ordered death upon someone. His two greatest commandments: Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, and mind. Love *all* of man kind as you would love yourself.
@@marcusaurelius3487 I joined through the ambulance/paramedic service in our country. St John provides most of our ambulance care, and I'm a professional Chaplain already. But if they're in your country, you can join by volunteering for them or joining their cadets and earning your stripes.
The burning bush scene being removed from the movie is unforgivable, arguably the most important scene in the whole movie and clarifying everything people were confused about during the original
there was so many chopped up moments that needed to be in the theatrical release, God only knows what Ridley had to leave on the editing room floor. To that I weep at that thought.
final release was unlogical set of scenes which absolutely didnt make any sense, only director's cut of this movie is worth waching, and it is really good...
@@maksmaso4741 That is an exageration. It just lost many other dimensions of the plot. The final release is great, but once you see the directors cut you can never go back because of how much more complex the movie becomes.
@@Assassinus2Both characters are mirrors of each other. They see Balian's strengths before he sees them. Siddig and Thewlis are also phenomenal British actors.
"You're an armourer, yes? An artificier, according to your Lord, and this... 'priest'." He really sounds like he picks up on that priest's scummy nature right away, eh.
"I put no stock in religion... Holiness is right action" That is a fascinating thing for a divine servitor to say, this is great material for worldbuilding. Plus him saying he's going to pray for strength, implying that this is hard for him.
Christ did not admonish the Pharisees for being religious. He admonished them for focusing on their own rules instead of God's. Being religious is not wrong. Some people misunderstand this as a false dilemma of Sacraments vs good moral behaviour or charity.
@@genesisbustamante-durianKnow that I'm writing this from the perspective of a agnostic writer and dnd fan. But basically: This was a good portrayal of an angel that I can draw inspiration from, he outright stated that doing good is more important than worship and gave a bit of his own perspective on humans. Even outside that moment the movie (Based on this video, I haven't actually watched the movie) gave him a feeling of ethereal benevolence that I would love to recapture in the future, he is unwaveringly kind and goes through life with quiet confidence that whatever happens is god's plan. A very well done non-human character.
While he is eating a date, his face is has excellent reaction, it is almost comical and admonishment @2:26. The Knights Hospitaller were very pious and honorable men in history.
@@fortis6258 That's not why he looked at him like that though. He know for a fact that God speaks to him. He just doesn't know how to listen. The hospitaler is confirmed by the screenwriter to be, an actual angel of God. Hence these compilations.
The Hospitalers were honestly the most interesting Knight Order of all time. The Order of St. John. ended up being up the last Crusaders to keep up the fight. They eventually moved out to the Isle of Rhodes and essentially turned to Piracy to support themselves. They were Pirate Doctor Knights.
Knigth Hospitallers defended Europe from Islam. They stopped ottomans in Malta and Lepanto. They protect Christians in the sea, and only capture Muslim boats. When they capture Muslims, they exchange for Christians slaves.
Do you have a source on that Piracy claim? Multiple European kingdoms had helped continue funding the Order of St John and Knights of Malta, and helped their relocation for their safety
The knights Hospitaller would house the poor and unwanted, lepers and the like, eventually they took care of ones who couldn’t help themselves and housed the sick. It’s where we get the word Hospital from.
Since I was a child and as a Northerner I grew up in the 70's going to castles every Sunday and the Hospitaller is the embodiment of a pure Knights code and one I aspire too even today. Love and Kindness are what keeps us human and nurtures our spirits. True strength is when others show anger and cruelty face it with compassion and fortitude.
Thats actually wrong. Hospitals come from your betters (The Muslims) who in their once great Caliphates and Empires had a significant amount of superiority in numerous areas. The Christian version is a copy. The Muslim; a heritage of their old pedigree from ancient civilizations. Who had mastered math, before the European apes could even speak.
„You go to certain death.“ „All death is certain.“ This is the line that stuck the most with me out of the entire movie somehow. Encapsules the character so very well.
He always leaves it a matter of choice, at it should be. "What you do every day will make you a good man (pause, smile) or not." Always the invitation to choose, right or wrong.
Yeah it's meant to be symbolically ambiguous i think. Yes it could have been the proximity to the fire but you're not certain. So the question is will you choose to believe?
He is an Angel. 5:37 Balian was dead!! He had blood coming from his ears; severe head trauma. His finger tip touch revived him! It has to be’ all his quips and lines like: Balian: I am outside Gods grade. Hospitaller: I have not heard that. What else could he mean?!? He has to be an Angel sent to guide him.
If we keep in mind that Lusignan answers in the affirmative to Rene’s question whether the Templars killed Balian - yes, then it turns out that the Hospitaller is indeed an Angel.
I only now realised the man standing next to Balian when the Hospitaler is telling them they're sailing for Jerusalem, is the guy who plays Lucius Vorenus in HBO's Rome.
The switch of the Hospitaler as a character between the theatrical cut and the director's cut is a master move. Well done in both versions, where in one he is portraited as a real man and in the other it let yo your interpretation of if he is a man or a angel.
He's more of just what real knights were than an angelic figure. A monk who studied medicine and religion to help people in need, called upon by the papal bull to fight in the crusades
I believe that the Hospitaller character is based on Saint Nicasius of Jerusalem. However in the desert scene, it is not the Hospitaller but an angel in his form - that is why he was able to suddenly appear and disappear at the time Balian's faith is most tested. Balian must have realised that something mystical has just happened. This is the spiritual centre of the movie. Later we see the Hospitaller dead after battle.
The sword touching his head on the lake scene represents the baptism. Later... we come to know that this knight is long dead by the time hi comes to visit Balian on the desert scene. That's because it's God comes in hes form to guide Balian in his role (the meaning of holy spirit). This movie is all about metaphysic, the spiritual path and God among us.
Yeah that’s a lovely thought but it’s been confirmed by the creators he is an angel. Not a man that God takes the form of, but an Angel sent by God to initiate the beginning of the movie. Hospitaller is the one who convinces Balians father Godfrey to go find him which then leads to the opening of the movie.
When watching the movie I had no idea he was supposed to be a angel! When he told balian “what god desires is here and here and what you decide to do everyday you will be a good man… or not” hit me so hard when first watching this movie. It made me realize that I don’t gotta be perfect. Just be a good person everyday that’s enough.
Watched this movie for the first time the other day, the Director's cut. What a great character Hospitaller is. Where Balian discovers his body, I wonder if it's meant to imply he died being some of the last Crusaders to defend the king with that circle.
In history, after the disastrous defeat at Hattin, there were 200 knights (Templars and Hospitallers) who refused to convert to Islam and were beheaded. I'd imagine that was the same fate as this character
@@TheDrunkHamster Thank You very much for the info! I love history and even though just a movie, I really need to dive into this era of history. A very interesting time in history.
@@TheDrunkHamster man it may be underrated but its pretty much my fave to learn about. So many good men, almost removed from history because of Christianity, and that includes both sides. I love that side of history because the true CRIMINALS of the crusades are the hungry religious leaders. The real leaders in those lands saw beyond 1 faith and they were all almost wiped out for it all
I always liked the Hospitaler. He was a decent man who spoke plainly and truthfully, but always graciously, never resorted to vulgarity or belittling speech to make his point. I never thought he was an angel. I think he was just a decent man trying to do the best he could in the curcumstances he was in, while serving as the voice of reason and guidence to the people he was with.
"Stare into the light until you become the Light " - Hospitaler This is probably a direct quote by God when he created him into an angel from a spirit. Here's why this specific quote drew me to believe he's an angel in disguise as human. According to Genesis , old testament scripture. Angels were made from the Light. Humans from soil. When Lucifer was commanded by our Lord to bow down to human creation. He refused in utter shock saying "im an angel , made from Light, how can you have me bow down to creatures made from dust and soil?" And thus began his exile from heaven along with 1/3 of the angels thrown down to earth at the speed of a falling star, to suffer eternity in hell, and absence from God's presence, which is a fate worse than Hell. According to Dante Algieri, the true punishment of Hell is the absence of God being with you, for eternity, worse than the fire 🔥 So definitely believe seeing as Angel's are immortal and made from Light. And Hospitaler quotes Light. Then he is definitely an angel. And the reason we see his body is because he disguised as a human. And his Light turned back into an angel after he dies
Lucifer wasn't exiled bc of humans he was banished because him himself being so Beautiful he thought her was better then God. In his heart he thought he was and should be praised just like God. Saying he will exalt his own thrown high as God's. That's why. He even persuaded 1/3 of the angels to rebel. He was close to God closer to him then most angels and he lied. He convinced "well I was close to him and he ain't out that he out to be"basically trying to destroy God's character like he a cruel individual and we shouldn't worship him and foolishly enough some angels believed but most didn't.
@@NecroTokyo That’s because God was just the Templar & Lucifer is the study! He is biologically immortal which makes him much more powerful than some Pinocchio people who need to come to grips with their mental sickness. Got people believing in a place that ain’t real. Heaven is a high from gaslighting. Hell is not knowing
Angels are just monks. Stop gaslighting. The light you talking about is narcissistic dysfunction from bald spots in your head. Just come to grips with reality.
Huh. This story is very similar to what's in the Quran. Main difference being our Book says Lucifer/Iblis was a different species called Djinn who are beings made from fire(not light). And he refused to bow to Adam because he thought fire is better than soil/clay. I'm just suprised this story more or less still exists in the Bible despite the changes over time. (E.g differences between King James edition vs others. Or translation issues from Hebrew to Latin to English over thousands of years etc).
Where he hesitates in calling the man who points out balian a “priest” is so good!! So good to show the divide between them despite both being technically men of god
@@JA-ru3il im not a believer of such thinks but i have seen places on earth, that if god exists, he has turned a blind eye on them. starving children, poverty, plagues... if good exist, wich i do not believe, he is cruel...
@@peaveyst7it is mankind who is cruel. Our greed made the poverties, we murdered the people who were parents of the orphans, and while you may ask then why does God not interfere to help them, save them, protect the people, I don't know. In fact, why do you look for a 'supposed' God to provide the answers? Why can't you do it yourself? We created the monsters of the world, it is up to us to slay them. We are the instruments of both good and evil. Make your choice which one you wish to represent. I don't believe in neutrality. To do nothing is to accept the evil for what it is.
Yeah he's definitely an angel. "I am outside gods grace", "I have not heard that", and how he just vanished in the desert and the second bush lights up.
The one of my favorite part of this movie is when the body guard of balian father told him “ I should tell your father what I see you become that I was very awesome” beacuse balian had learned about the other side of world such people , different culture, religion, and about being a good knight and helping people.
He’s 100% an Angel he shows up no horse balian lights the bush then second bush ignites so he looks back then a second later he’s looking for him but he vanished then he touched Balian and he awakes , he is certainly not a magical knight
I put no stock in religion. ... I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. Would have spared us so many pointless wars.
You know....one of the critics I have heard about this movie was that the hospotallier talked in a way that most likely nobody talked back in the day. But what if he was indeed an angel? He would have talked that way to help Balian with his questions. After all, he was not one of them. He talked in a way so that Balian could understand.
The exchange at 2:21 made such an impression on me when I first watched it, and the remembrance of this conversation has remained with me ever since. There is something so profound and encouraging in the idea that the path of holiness is traversed not necessarily by preaching Dei Verbum, or by praying to God, or by fastidious adherence to every doctrine found within the Bible, but by simple everyday acts of humanity and virtue towards others. Why should the atheist who earnestly serves others without expectation of requital, reward, or recognition, be less worthy of a place in Heaven than he who attends Church, calls himself a Christian, but neglects to dedicate his life to his fellows? Why should purported righteousness earn higher esteem in the Lord's eyes than a life of quiet, faithless integrity? The idea that small acts of goodness are born of an aspect of human nature inherently divine renders the concept of religion so much more agreeable to me, for every benevolent deed becomes its own prayer, and every compassionate gesture its own engagement with Heaven, and this perspective has helped to guide my thoughts, words, and deeds as I try to live well.
I just watched the director's cut of "Kingdon of Heaven" last night. The character of Hospitaller, an Angel?, elevates this movie to a much higher level.
Angel he is not. A Saint be him. Angelic in nature, depiction, understanding, and deeds...but a human being most assuredly. His corpse counted amongst the dead, heaped upon the slain. I think fondly that the Hospitaller, is to be found in heaven amongst the Saints; dining everlasting in salvation eternally. Tis' a poem, an anecdote of times long past; a fiction...his character a role model we should all seek to emulate in our own capacity. For the hour draws nearer of our own reckoning.
it was actually confirmed by the director that he was supposed to be an angel, watch directors cut where he appears out of nowhere in the desert while balian has his 2nd existential crisis.
@@MrProtopopescoviciI watched the directors cut, and I don't think he came right out and stated he was an angel. I could be wrong. Saints / mystics perform miracles, bi-locate, appear out of nowhere, and die, just like the hospitaller did, angels however do not as far as I understand.
So awesome that the writers confirmed that he was an angel, sent to earth, he struggled and suffered and influenced in accordance with Gods will he was charged to pursue This movie is so underrated
I love the certainty with which he speaks about god. Like with the fact that the wound will heal or not. Or would he survive the crossing. That kind of certainty about gods existence
He is aloof to religious fervor yet he simultaneously embraces his relatively worldly role as a hospitaller. This concurrent attitude of what I called detached devotion is what resonates with me.
One of the most wise lines from him is "I go to pray, for the strength to endure what is to come. The reckoning is to come for what was done one hundred years before. The Muslims will never forget... nor should they." He's referring to the first Crusade, in 1099. After the siege ended, the Crusaders massacred the survivors, both Jews and Muslims. This caused such an outrage against the Crusaders, that the Muslims never forgave them for what happened. That "nor should they." is his way of acknowledging the great wrong done to the citizens of Jerusalem then.
He is an angel. look how he disappears after the second bush is on fire, and the horse gets spooked, as animals do in the presence of spirits AAAND angels.
I love how he almost has a little laugh or smirk when he talks like he's the only one who knows this inside joke. I wonder if the actor was told he was playing an angel.
Yup hes definitely an angel. They couldn't have been more obvious, the white hairs, the baby like face, the slight nudges to the hero in theveight direcrion, unwavering faith in God and the final " I shalk tell your father what ive seen you become" before going tobdie and meet God.
I was re-watching this movie again a few days ago and I noticed that when The Hospitaller points to Balian's head and heart 03:10 , he does with his hand in the latin blessing form, adding to the nods of his angelic nature. After all these years and this movie keeps fascinating me.
“I’ll tell your father what I’ve seen you become”
That is an amazing line. I believe he doesn’t mean just Godfrey, but God as well.
I never thought about speaking to God as well… beautiful insight
But God is all seeing and all knowing so God would already know.
@@fitnesspoint2006 it's just a poetic way of saying it
God likes discussion and company even if He knows everything. He wants us to experience life with Him after all. He is with us right now. Talk with him. Or don't.
@@TalesForWhales sounds like the fantasies of a 7 year old, but some are hard wired for fantasy thinking
"You go to certain death"
"All death is certain"
I love that part
He’s not wrong
Indeed
This movie is full of lines like that one. Classic!
All death is certain. However it’s still important to if you can fight for what’s really right.
I guess that’s all something that’s extremely difficult to decide.
“I shall tell your father what you have become.”
I love that.
“I am outside of God’s grace.”
“I have not heard that.”
I oscillate between both those points all the time
This movie is full of lines like that one. Classic!
Heard from whom? By God, of course! I love this character more and more. Neither fear nor malice touched his heart, only an unending commitment to the defense of the Faith and the poor.
yep. best line for me.
“I am outside of God’s grace.” while being armed as a baron. lol
I like the slight pause when he refers to Balian's brother "and this....priest." like he's disgusted to refer to him as a holy man as he knows what kind of person he really is.
exactly. one of my favorite partd
exactly
The Director's Cut is a far superior film, and I personally loved how in the theatrical cut he's just a knight, but in the Director's Cut he's an angel. That scene where Balian turns away, and turns back only to see a barren wilderness where seconds before the Hospitaller stood is a great scene. Trivia would have it that the horse's sudden skittishness was not planned, but just happened at that moment which makes the scene seem all the more supernatural.
I don’t know if he’s actually an angel or not, but the Hospitaller is definitely my fave character in the film
Confirmed by screenwriter. He is an angel. They didn't even tell the actor the truth because they wanted it to feel natural, but according to him, he picked up on it, and loves the idea.
Thats why its so good, he is but people must really see it to know it
The retroactive angel plot is laughably stupid. It’s not just worse, it actually ruins the character. Maybe the greatest scene in the movie, “all death is certain”, is completely torpedoed knowing this man doesn’t even exist. Obnoxiously bad.
@@0_iAlmighty_0 lol it’d ruin the movie. Terrible.
@@nickthomas9945 The entire film is about an ancient city, that's still being fought over, in the name of the same God, with a character that exudes knowledge and acts as if everything is as planned. Who appears out of thin air, twice; and seemingly resurrects the main character after he's beaten to a pulp. The biblical burning bush, igniting on it's own, twice......all of this, and you think him being an angel makes it bad, after so many spiritual references.
The idea of having a guardian angel/archangel manifesting as a monastic knight during the crusades is such a cool conecpt
If he is an angel it gives such deeper meaning to the exchange:
“I am out of god’s grace”
“I had not heard that.”
True but conversely it has kind of ruined the "all death is certain" scene seeing as angels cant't die... i think
@@larsdewit6521 maybe angles can’t die but their corporal forms can. Who knows. In fiction you can make up the rules
Most of his lines in the movie are dubious, you can take them either from an Angel or a faithful God's man. The incredible thing is, in both cases, the effect is the same: To bring a moral contemplation on man's religion x God's true will. Maybe more important than the answer of either angel or man, is the depth of a movie that brings the very question in such subtle, genial, form.
@@larsdewit6521 there's a book by Eduardo Spohr called The Battle of Revelation where the author develops the idea of angels being made into flesh to experience, understand, worship and record Gods work while they live as earthly beings. They go through the same sufferings and misfortunes as humans but always embody His spirit. You could think of the hospitaller as one of this angels, here on earth living and anotating the miracle, sometimes guiding and healing people, looking cool and all... sometimes knowing the horrors they will face, but toughing it anyways because its their duty and it serves the greater purpose. I think it's interesting
I think the human vessel he was inhabiting at the time died, not the angel himself.
I personally believe the Hospitaller is an angel sent by God to guide Balian and prepare him to Jerusalem righteously. In the beginning, The Hospitaller helps hone Balian's abilities, and when he starts to lead in Jerusalem, he guides Balian toward the deeper truth: God desires peace, not endless war and the Lord is using Balian to be a protector for both the Jews, Christians, and Muslims that are caught up in the conflict. At the end of the movie, it is then and only then that the angel leaves to go with the army as he knows that Jerusalem is in safe hands because he has guided Balian on the right path. Such a fantastic character.
Not to mention all the wierd stuff he sais to Balian, despite him being a crusader. To say what he said would be considered blasphemy in those days by the rest of the crusaders.
Plus he fucking appears and disappears like a ghost.
I don’t know. The severed kind of ruins the idea for me.
@@zildjianabuserangels can inhabit flesh
He didn't dissappear. Idiot lol😅@Prophetofthe8thLegion
"i've seen too much religion in the faces of too many murderers" that hit hard
I've experience the meaning in Darfur 2014/15 seening rebels face to face
He was speaking of Washington DC District of Criminals
As a Chaplain of the Order of St John of Malta (of which this character is a member) I loved this line. It perfectly embodies the role of a Chaplain. Men do terrible things in the name of religion, men do great things in the name of faith. Its hard to discern what is faith and what is religion sometimes, but Christ never ordered death upon someone. His two greatest commandments: Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, soul, and mind. Love *all* of man kind as you would love yourself.
@@jordanhenare7068 How can one join the order if i may ask
@@marcusaurelius3487 I joined through the ambulance/paramedic service in our country. St John provides most of our ambulance care, and I'm a professional Chaplain already. But if they're in your country, you can join by volunteering for them or joining their cadets and earning your stripes.
The burning bush scene being removed from the movie is unforgivable, arguably the most important scene in the whole movie and clarifying everything people were confused about during the original
there was so many chopped up moments that needed to be in the theatrical release, God only knows what Ridley had to leave on the editing room floor. To that I weep at that thought.
final release was unlogical set of scenes which absolutely didnt make any sense, only director's cut of this movie is worth waching, and it is really good...
@@maksmaso4741 it definitely still made sense, it just lacked the depth and quality
@@maksmaso4741 That is an exageration. It just lost many other dimensions of the plot. The final release is great, but once you see the directors cut you can never go back because of how much more complex the movie becomes.
They do t want us knowing the truth about God. This movie moves me closer and closer to God every time I watch it.
You forgot the part where be says 'My German friend is a student of Law" 🤣
This one's got it
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One of the best lines.
A close student of the law, love it
Great line
And taking Godfreys confession at his death
The Hospitaller is now one of my favourite characters ever. I wish to be like him. David, you did a great job in this role
To desire to be like him, is to desire to be like an angel of Providence. Embrace it, and live up to it.
You’re welcome
Imad al-Din al-Isfahani (played by Alexander Siddig) is a close second to the Hospitaler for me.
@@Assassinus2Both characters are mirrors of each other. They see Balian's strengths before he sees them. Siddig and Thewlis are also phenomenal British actors.
"You're an armourer, yes? An artificier, according to your Lord, and this... 'priest'."
He really sounds like he picks up on that priest's scummy nature right away, eh.
I always thought of it as him using his angel abilities to sense the greed on the priest. But, yea I guess its no surprise to catch his behavior
This I immediately picked it up. He’s like basically .. ya this excuse of a priest god isn’t happy haha
"I put no stock in religion... Holiness is right action" That is a fascinating thing for a divine servitor to say, this is great material for worldbuilding. Plus him saying he's going to pray for strength, implying that this is hard for him.
Christ did not admonish the Pharisees for being religious. He admonished them for focusing on their own rules instead of God's. Being religious is not wrong. Some people misunderstand this as a false dilemma of Sacraments vs good moral behaviour or charity.
Why is that great material for worldbuilding? please explain with full details.
@@genesisbustamante-durianKnow that I'm writing this from the perspective of a agnostic writer and dnd fan. But basically: This was a good portrayal of an angel that I can draw inspiration from, he outright stated that doing good is more important than worship and gave a bit of his own perspective on humans. Even outside that moment the movie (Based on this video, I haven't actually watched the movie) gave him a feeling of ethereal benevolence that I would love to recapture in the future, he is unwaveringly kind and goes through life with quiet confidence that whatever happens is god's plan. A very well done non-human character.
@@owleyes8600 I see, thanks. What is the title of your Book?
@@genesisbustamante-durian None yet, I need to get my life in order before I can turn out novels, thanks for asking.
I love the face he makes after Balian says "God does not speak to me."
Me too
While he is eating a date, his face is has excellent reaction, it is almost comical and admonishment @2:26. The Knights Hospitaller were very pious and honorable men in history.
That "oh really?" look, priceless.
@@fortis6258 That's not why he looked at him like that though. He know for a fact that God speaks to him. He just doesn't know how to listen. The hospitaler is confirmed by the screenwriter to be, an actual angel of God. Hence these compilations.
Because you embody what he wishes, balian! That's my takeaway at least
The Hospitalers were honestly the most interesting Knight Order of all time. The Order of St. John. ended up being up the last Crusaders to keep up the fight. They eventually moved out to the Isle of Rhodes and essentially turned to Piracy to support themselves.
They were Pirate Doctor Knights.
And now they are the Order of Malta (and a State without territory)
Knigth Hospitallers defended Europe from Islam. They stopped ottomans in Malta and Lepanto. They protect Christians in the sea, and only capture Muslim boats. When they capture Muslims, they exchange for Christians slaves.
Do you have a source on that Piracy claim? Multiple European kingdoms had helped continue funding the Order of St John and Knights of Malta, and helped their relocation for their safety
@@wuotanaz1106 One mans pirate is another man’s crusader / holy order.
They are the only to remain also
The knights Hospitaller would house the poor and unwanted, lepers and the like, eventually they took care of ones who couldn’t help themselves and housed the sick. It’s where we get the word Hospital from.
it comes from the latin word "hospitale" wich means friendly innkeeper.
Since I was a child and as a Northerner I grew up in the 70's going to castles every Sunday and the Hospitaller is the embodiment of a pure Knights code and one I aspire too even today. Love and Kindness are what keeps us human and nurtures our spirits. True strength is when others show anger and cruelty face it with compassion and fortitude.
Well it’s where we get hospitals from. The Knights Hospitaller would house the poor and sick and take care of them.
Thats actually wrong. Hospitals come from your betters (The Muslims) who in their once great Caliphates and Empires had a significant amount of superiority in numerous areas. The Christian version is a copy. The Muslim; a heritage of their old pedigree from ancient civilizations. Who had mastered math, before the European apes could even speak.
@@ErraticFaith lmao
„You go to certain death.“
„All death is certain.“
This is the line that stuck the most with me out of the entire movie somehow. Encapsules the character so very well.
He always leaves it a matter of choice, at it should be. "What you do every day will make you a good man (pause, smile) or not." Always the invitation to choose, right or wrong.
I didn't notice at first, but the flame jumps from one bush to the other...against the wind.
I initially assumed it was because the bushes were physically very close to each other.
@@daddy_1453thats what I thought too, the flint could have just moved a little bit due to the wind blowing it
Yeah it's meant to be symbolically ambiguous i think. Yes it could have been the proximity to the fire but you're not certain. So the question is will you choose to believe?
So many powerful lines. The one that really affected me was his addition of
“….nor should they.”
He is an Angel.
5:37
Balian was dead!! He had blood coming from his ears; severe head trauma.
His finger tip touch revived him! It has to be’ all his quips and lines like:
Balian: I am outside Gods grade.
Hospitaller: I have not heard that.
What else could he mean?!? He has to be an Angel sent to guide him.
If we keep in mind that Lusignan answers in the affirmative to Rene’s question whether the Templars killed Balian - yes, then it turns out that the Hospitaller is indeed an Angel.
From all these scenes, Im convinced he is an angel, if not, he shows that we all can help our fellow man.
I only now realised the man standing next to Balian when the Hospitaler is telling them they're sailing for Jerusalem, is the guy who plays Lucius Vorenus in HBO's Rome.
And the guy who ambushes them in the forest is Jaime Lannister from AGOT.
Gray's Anatomy too.
The switch of the Hospitaler as a character between the theatrical cut and the director's cut is a master move. Well done in both versions, where in one he is portraited as a real man and in the other it let yo your interpretation of if he is a man or a angel.
He's more of just what real knights were than an angelic figure. A monk who studied medicine and religion to help people in need, called upon by the papal bull to fight in the crusades
His words in retrospect (revelation?!) are marvelous - "That's Not What I Have Heard" 🙂
Also "I did not here it speak" as an ANGEL Speaks with him 🙂
I believe that the Hospitaller character is based on Saint Nicasius of Jerusalem. However in the desert scene, it is not the Hospitaller but an angel in his form - that is why he was able to suddenly appear and disappear at the time Balian's faith is most tested. Balian must have realised that something mystical has just happened. This is the spiritual centre of the movie. Later we see the Hospitaller dead after battle.
The cast in this film is honestly perfect with David Thewlis being a huge stand out
The sword touching his head on the lake scene represents the baptism. Later... we come to know that this knight is long dead by the time hi comes to visit Balian on the desert scene. That's because it's God comes in hes form to guide Balian in his role (the meaning of holy spirit).
This movie is all about metaphysic, the spiritual path and God among us.
For a moment I thought that means, next time get a helmet, God bless you.
Yeah that’s a lovely thought but it’s been confirmed by the creators he is an angel. Not a man that God takes the form of, but an Angel sent by God to initiate the beginning of the movie. Hospitaller is the one who convinces Balians father Godfrey to go find him which then leads to the opening of the movie.
How do you know hes long dead ?
he wasnt dead in the dessert, he just disapeared as he was never actually a human in the first place
When watching the movie I had no idea he was supposed to be a angel! When he told balian “what god desires is here and here and what you decide to do everyday you will be a good man… or not” hit me so hard when first watching this movie. It made me realize that I don’t gotta be perfect. Just be a good person everyday that’s enough.
Angel or not, he’s a true knight.
The whole “Angel theory” really gives the film a Dante’s Inferno vibe
The director’s cut is such a fine piece of cinema.
Watched this movie for the first time the other day, the Director's cut. What a great character Hospitaller is. Where Balian discovers his body, I wonder if it's meant to imply he died being some of the last Crusaders to defend the king with that circle.
In history, after the disastrous defeat at Hattin, there were 200 knights (Templars and Hospitallers) who refused to convert to Islam and were beheaded. I'd imagine that was the same fate as this character
@@TheDrunkHamster Thank You very much for the info! I love history and even though just a movie, I really need to dive into this era of history. A very interesting time in history.
@@Josey_Wales The Crusades are a criminally underrated period in history.
@@TheDrunkHamster It really is. It's truly a fascinating period in history.
@@TheDrunkHamster man it may be underrated but its pretty much my fave to learn about. So many good men, almost removed from history because of Christianity, and that includes both sides. I love that side of history because the true CRIMINALS of the crusades are the hungry religious leaders. The real leaders in those lands saw beyond 1 faith and they were all almost wiped out for it all
Entire movie is amazing. Top shelf cast all around.
Greatest character in the greatest movie ever made (Director's Cut, of course).
he was made for the part, outstanding acting
I always liked the Hospitaler. He was a decent man who spoke plainly and truthfully, but always graciously, never resorted to vulgarity or belittling speech to make his point.
I never thought he was an angel. I think he was just a decent man trying to do the best he could in the curcumstances he was in, while serving as the voice of reason and guidence to the people he was with.
David Thewlis has this natural look that fits his character just perfectly. No doubt he was meant to be the Hospitaller.
"Stare into the light until you become the Light "
- Hospitaler
This is probably a direct quote by God when he created him into an angel from a spirit.
Here's why this specific quote drew me to believe he's an angel in disguise as human.
According to Genesis , old testament scripture. Angels were made from the Light. Humans from soil.
When Lucifer was commanded by our Lord to bow down to human creation. He refused in utter shock saying "im an angel , made from Light, how can you have me bow down to creatures made from dust and soil?"
And thus began his exile from heaven along with 1/3 of the angels thrown down to earth at the speed of a falling star, to suffer eternity in hell, and absence from God's presence, which is a fate worse than Hell. According to Dante Algieri, the true punishment of Hell is the absence of God being with you, for eternity, worse than the fire 🔥
So definitely believe seeing as Angel's are immortal and made from Light. And Hospitaler quotes Light. Then he is definitely an angel. And the reason we see his body is because he disguised as a human. And his Light turned back into an angel after he dies
Lucifer wasn't exiled bc of humans he was banished because him himself being so Beautiful he thought her was better then God. In his heart he thought he was and should be praised just like God. Saying he will exalt his own thrown high as God's. That's why. He even persuaded 1/3 of the angels to rebel. He was close to God closer to him then most angels and he lied. He convinced "well I was close to him and he ain't out that he out to be"basically trying to destroy God's character like he a cruel individual and we shouldn't worship him and foolishly enough some angels believed but most didn't.
Stop wit the gaslighting. It’s all in your heads you’ll never be suffering in eternity really soon once you realize that you lost the power
@@NecroTokyo That’s because God was just the Templar & Lucifer is the study! He is biologically immortal which makes him much more powerful than some Pinocchio people who need to come to grips with their mental sickness. Got people believing in a place that ain’t real. Heaven is a high from gaslighting. Hell is not knowing
Angels are just monks. Stop gaslighting. The light you talking about is narcissistic dysfunction from bald spots in your head. Just come to grips with reality.
Huh. This story is very similar to what's in the Quran. Main difference being our Book says Lucifer/Iblis was a different species called Djinn who are beings made from fire(not light). And he refused to bow to Adam because he thought fire is better than soil/clay.
I'm just suprised this story more or less still exists in the Bible despite the changes over time. (E.g differences between King James edition vs others. Or translation issues from Hebrew to Latin to English over thousands of years etc).
ALL DEATH IS CERTAIN!
-This is the spirit of a real brave man! A real knight!
The philosophy of that time is amazing which translates to great one liners in this film.
Thewlis is brilliant in every role he's in.
I loved that the directors cut had more scenes of Angel. By far the most profound character of this film. David Thewlis did a masterful job.
He is cool. And we should be like him, giving words of comfort to others.
The fact that they had this character be a Knight of the Order Hostpitaller adds so much to the story.
The dialogues in this movie is impressive.
Where he hesitates in calling the man who points out balian a “priest” is so good!! So good to show the divide between them despite both being technically men of god
Despite all the inaccuracies , this is such a great film
"according to your lord and this... "priest""
When he talks about his father it could be his earthy father or his heavenly one!!
His earthly one :) God is omnipresent and sees everything.
@@JA-ru3il Amen!!
@@JA-ru3il im not a believer of such thinks but i have seen places on earth, that if god exists, he has turned a blind eye on them. starving children, poverty, plagues... if good exist, wich i do not believe, he is cruel...
@@peaveyst7it is mankind who is cruel. Our greed made the poverties, we murdered the people who were parents of the orphans, and while you may ask then why does God not interfere to help them, save them, protect the people, I don't know.
In fact, why do you look for a 'supposed' God to provide the answers? Why can't you do it yourself? We created the monsters of the world, it is up to us to slay them.
We are the instruments of both good and evil. Make your choice which one you wish to represent. I don't believe in neutrality. To do nothing is to accept the evil for what it is.
Yeah he's definitely an angel. "I am outside gods grace", "I have not heard that", and how he just vanished in the desert and the second bush lights up.
He was my favorite character in the movie, gentle and holy, but very powerful.
The one of my favorite part of this movie is when the body guard of balian father told him “ I should tell your father what I see you become that I was very awesome” beacuse balian had learned about the other side of world such people , different culture, religion, and about being a good knight and helping people.
A superb movie.
Great characters.
So full of meaning.
Few like this.
He’s 100% an Angel he shows up no horse balian lights the bush then second bush ignites so he looks back then a second later he’s looking for him but he vanished then he touched Balian and he awakes , he is certainly not a magical knight
I put no stock in religion. ... I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness.
Would have spared us so many pointless wars.
"I shall tell your father what I've seen you become."
Double meaning there.
If he is an angel, he will give a report to God too.
You know....one of the critics I have heard about this movie was that the hospotallier talked in a way that most likely nobody talked back in the day. But what if he was indeed an angel? He would have talked that way to help Balian with his questions. After all, he was not one of them. He talked in a way so that Balian could understand.
he was my favourite character, his face is simply too friendly and familiar.
Remus Lupin in Harry Potter 😏
@@elmulato7038 i have not watched any of the HP films but that's neat, thanks
"My German friend is a close student to thelaw..." is missing.
this….”priest”
The exchange at 2:21 made such an impression on me when I first watched it, and the remembrance of this conversation has remained with me ever since. There is something so profound and encouraging in the idea that the path of holiness is traversed not necessarily by preaching Dei Verbum, or by praying to God, or by fastidious adherence to every doctrine found within the Bible, but by simple everyday acts of humanity and virtue towards others. Why should the atheist who earnestly serves others without expectation of requital, reward, or recognition, be less worthy of a place in Heaven than he who attends Church, calls himself a Christian, but neglects to dedicate his life to his fellows? Why should purported righteousness earn higher esteem in the Lord's eyes than a life of quiet, faithless integrity? The idea that small acts of goodness are born of an aspect of human nature inherently divine renders the concept of religion so much more agreeable to me, for every benevolent deed becomes its own prayer, and every compassionate gesture its own engagement with Heaven, and this perspective has helped to guide my thoughts, words, and deeds as I try to live well.
One may stare into the light until one becomes the light. I’ve done it many times.
He steals the entire movie for me. People don’t talk about this performance enough.
I just watched the director's cut of "Kingdon of Heaven" last night. The character of Hospitaller, an Angel?, elevates this movie to a much higher level.
Angel he is not. A Saint be him. Angelic in nature, depiction, understanding, and deeds...but a human being most assuredly. His corpse counted amongst the dead, heaped upon the slain. I think fondly that the Hospitaller, is to be found in heaven amongst the Saints; dining everlasting in salvation eternally.
Tis' a poem, an anecdote of times long past; a fiction...his character a role model we should all seek to emulate in our own capacity. For the hour draws nearer of our own reckoning.
well said, my friend.
@@razor1493 Thanks be to you dearest friend!
it was actually confirmed by the director that he was supposed to be an angel, watch directors cut where he appears out of nowhere in the desert while balian has his 2nd existential crisis.
@@MrProtopopescoviciI watched the directors cut, and I don't think he came right out and stated he was an angel. I could be wrong. Saints / mystics perform miracles, bi-locate, appear out of nowhere, and die, just like the hospitaller did, angels however do not as far as I understand.
Saints dont teleport
Professor Lupin didn't die ... he just managed to get redirected and reborn as the Hospitallier
Facts!!!
Reminds me of the soldier that spoke to Joshua and said he was on neither side.
God I need to see the directors cut... I already loved the cinema version.
Yes you do need to see it!
: Thewlis owned so much of this film and just with what was essentially a cameo.
when he says "this... priest" he know that person is only trash.
So awesome that the writers confirmed that he was an angel, sent to earth, he struggled and suffered and influenced in accordance with Gods will he was charged to pursue
This movie is so underrated
2:39 love what this guy says ❤️
David Thewlis really killed it with this Hospitaller character and Remus Lupin in Harry Potter series. He’s a great actor!
This is a man that is as close as it would be to being in touch with a real God.
I love the certainty with which he speaks about god. Like with the fact that the wound will heal or not. Or would he survive the crossing. That kind of certainty about gods existence
''You go to certain death.''
''All death is certain.''
If Stoicism was one line...
Two lines technically
He is aloof to religious fervor yet he simultaneously embraces his relatively worldly role as a hospitaller. This concurrent attitude of what I called detached devotion is what resonates with me.
My son's best friend's father wrote an essay about this movie in high school about this topic, crazy.
Balian: God does not speak to me
Hospitaller: 😏
One of the most wise lines from him is "I go to pray, for the strength to endure what is to come. The reckoning is to come for what was done one hundred years before. The Muslims will never forget... nor should they."
He's referring to the first Crusade, in 1099. After the siege ended, the Crusaders massacred the survivors, both Jews and Muslims. This caused such an outrage against the Crusaders, that the Muslims never forgave them for what happened.
That "nor should they." is his way of acknowledging the great wrong done to the citizens of Jerusalem then.
It's always strange when the character that has 5 minutes of screen time is more like in more remembered than the main actors
He is an angel. look how he disappears after the second bush is on fire, and the horse gets spooked, as animals do in the presence of spirits AAAND angels.
I love how he almost has a little laugh or smirk when he talks like he's the only one who knows this inside joke. I wonder if the actor was told he was playing an angel.
“I have not heard that.”
The giveaway
1:16 One of the most beautiful and transcendental scenes I have seen in my life…
I can't help it, as a Chaplain of the Order of St John this character is one of my favourite ever. He represents our Order so well.
I look at the hospitallers face and i can hear his voice saying "BE NOT AFRAID"
The burning bush scene is where I was like, yeah maybe an angel! 😂
This Order still exists nowadays.
The speech about religion has stuck with me ever since I saw it.
Me too i Tell it exactly like that when the Situation allows
Yup hes definitely an angel. They couldn't have been more obvious, the white hairs, the baby like face, the slight nudges to the hero in theveight direcrion, unwavering faith in God and the final " I shalk tell your father what ive seen you become" before going tobdie and meet God.
He a real gangsta in my book
I don’t know if you realized that this guy is the same actor that portrayed Lupin in the Harry Potter saga. He’s a tremendous actor!
@@elmulato7038 wow i just noticed!!!
The comment about Balian's brother the "so called priest" lol he is so an angel......I love this movie
Remus stop using the timeturner and teach your students how to practice magic over the summer break
Indeed
I was re-watching this movie again a few days ago and I noticed that when The Hospitaller points to Balian's head and heart 03:10 , he does with his hand in the latin blessing form, adding to the nods of his angelic nature. After all these years and this movie keeps fascinating me.
'"If God has purpose for you." This movie is full of lines like that one. Classic!