El Estepario Siberiano can't play Song 2 by Blur
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- A few months back I made a short about how the famous drum beat from "Song 2" by Blur can't be played by one drummer... and alot of commenters wanted me to know that a certain Spanish drummer could play this beat with ease! Well, I'm hear today to show you that even @ElEsteparioSiberiano admits the "Song 2" beat can't be played by a single person!
Aaron Paulsen be like:
Amateurs!
*Pulls out a hat with a drumstick attached to it
YES
I was thinking the same thing
Dont forget, he said "standard" drum kit
@@Bohr2um 🙉
@@Bohr2um Yeah, youre right :)
He also played it in a completely different way multiple months earlier. People just love to be angry and flap their gums, bro. You know you're right, and that's what matters.
And side note... hearing you angry feels surreal.
He doesn’t sound angry to me… He’s just correcting all the donuts.
He doesn’t sound angry, you’re just delusional 😂😂😂
@@whipit2404Felt the need to comment twice?
@@thesystem4025 He obviously had to double check, and yes, first commenter is in fact delusional.
Wait sorry, who is angry??
Obviously the answer is to just head butt the snare as required
The level of confidence people have while saying stuff that has no basis is mind-boggling.
It's definitely possible if you hit the high hat and the snare simultaneously with one stick. There's at least one vaguely practical way I can think of off the top of my head, holding the stick of the snare/high-hat hand jazz style, and adjusting the snare and high-hat so they're close, and attacking the high-hat and snare inwardly. It's certainly going to be awkward, but doable. I say this as someone who used to drum incessantly in my drummer friend's shed completely twacked out on speed for hours and hours and days, weeks, years. Pretty sure I experimented with just this hypothetical technique I just pulled out of my ass non-stop for at least two days straight in like 2003. Maybe three. But I have no evidence, and I don't drum anymore. It's a pretty basic technique compared to some of the insanity we used to bang out. Try hitting two toms at the same time with one stick; both ends holding from the middle! Just smash it on those things.
Those who come strongest come wrongest is an evergreen truth
mind bottling*
@@morgellon7877are you zach hill dude
I have a wild prediction to make: the number of those people who will now comment on THIS video, owning up to having been wrong will be…. zero.
If anything, they'll be like "Estepario CAN play it, he's just not trying hard enough"
The drums at the intro are not real drums AT ALL but programmed drums using samples. This programmed drumpart even keeps on playing in the background even in the loud parts, where it's combined with an actual drummer playing drums. Look up the isolated drumtrack of this song to hear it.
A real drumkit does not sound as perfectly conssitant, does not have the dry dynamics like this and does not have the drum sounds that sounds remotely like this. This is why not anyone on a real drumkit can make it sound the way this did, even if they would record it using multiple takes on top of eachother.
Music like nirvana's teen spirit also has samples playing in the background along with the track. It's clear when you listen to the drum track seperated and listen to the snare.
However, that does not fit the nirvana image of 'raw music' and is thus often not mentioned. Lots of rock and such is much more "fabricated" rather than just some guys playing together.
I do not see anything wrong with such type of "fabricated" (very produced) music , but some people will feel less about their favourite band, and thus that band will not easily admit things that are not good for their image
@@PowerRedBullTypology I’m not arguing or trying to contradict because it’s ages ago since I’ve seen breakdown videos on Song 2 and Smells Like…, but my memory about Smells Like… is that Andy Wallace mixed it and added triggered samples. That’s different to “programmed” drums, in the sense that the kick drum “triggers” a kick drum sample and the snare drum “triggers” a snare drum sample. The mix engineer can then blend the sample with the original sounds to whatever degree they wish. Rick Beato has a video where he plays songs by RATM, RHCP and lots of other artists whose tracks were mixed by Andy, and you can hear the same kick and snare sounds. I don’t know if Andy mixed Smells Like… but I’m pretty sure the producer Butch Vig says he had Dave Grohl play to a click (metronome) track. Then the kicks and snares may have been replaced or blended at the mix stage. “Produce Like a Pro” does a good analysis of Song 2 if I remember correctly and I think it’s explained that the drum groove is a loop. So my point is that playing to a click, looping and triggering are not “programming” in the way the term is used in recording. Creating a beat on, say, a Linn drum machine would be referred to as programming.
I can sort of play it?
th-cam.com/video/rhZwmzCAGxo/w-d-xo.html
On the contrary! Did you see the comment with 22K likes that goes, “I bet there is a spanish drummer…” etc? Scroll down far enough in these comments and there’s one from that guy admitting he was wrong
Graham Coxon confirmed that he was the one hitting the floor tom or bass drum with a stick in the recording. It wasn't the drummer playing the additional note
Woo Hoo
it wasn't easy, but nothing is
David knows piano, guitar _and_ drums.
Very precise in his analysis; an excellent ear and brilliant technician.
Calm down
@@johnorson6907 Lighten up
Well yeah he has a lot of gigging experience, helps you learn a lot about different instruments
Okay that's fair, I remembered seeing a video where he hit the snare and hi hats at the same time with one stick so that's why I commented but ig he said it himself
That creates a very different snare sound tho compared to hitting it properly
Here's my attempt. It definitely gets close to the sound of the original groove:
th-cam.com/video/rhZwmzCAGxo/w-d-xo.html
Tell em David!!
Since there is no opening/closing of the hi hat, technically it can be played as long as you have a contraption to play either the snare, hi-hat or floor tom with your left foot. I would vote snare, as the floor and hi hat require too much “feel” to do with your foot. 😅
“David Bennett addresses his enemies”
Nice come back mate. Love your stuff
The Bass and the guitar also have 2 different parts per instrument layered. They seem to have taken the concept of "2" very seriously for that song.
Armchair expert infestation
Well done David, you're the boss!
He's being modest. He can play the whole song with one hand tied behind his back.
It is POSSIBLE with standard kit it just has to be 2 of them with a drummer each! .
Kid named Steven’s grip
Take the win! You've got it
Also just lower the floor tom and grab the stick in the middle to just hit both at once.
My DAW can do that... Okay, I'll grab my coat. 😅
Perhaps two sticks in one hand 🤔
but what if you just play it with two sticks in one hand
What if you hold two sticks in one hand marimba-style?
Real talk: if that guy says it can't be physically done then it can't. lol
As someone who played this for several years from when it came out, there's zero way to play the actual recorded version without an extra person to help. Zero.
So what you're saying is it's impossible to put a floor tom on it's side and use a pedal...
Intradesting 🤔
david drinking those tears on rocks.
his name was Aaron Paulsen
I think you have created a challenge now, no doubt someone will figure it out.
I guess the answer is simple...TRIGGERS.
Happy Birthday Dave Rowntree 🎉🎉
SCORE for David!
If you put a trigger on the floor tom to be a high hat sound, boom, there you go. If it was never performed by a single drum kit anyway, there's nothing to honor. Feel the need to say that because i feel like drummers are usually the worst about saying this or that is cheating. A great, difficult live performance is commendable but music is an art not a sport. Do what it takes to create the art. Theres no such thing as cheating.
Isn't there a trick where you hit a drum with each end of the drum stick? Sure the tone won't be the exact same as a proper hit but you could still angle one of them to hit both. Also, mallet players hold two sticks with one hand all the time.
Its a shame the YT comment section is filled with arrogant dilettantes.
Today I learned that it's impossible to hit 2 drums at the same time with only 2 arms...🤔😒
four. bass drum, hi hat, floor tom, snare
You have to admit he was the guy if the guy existed. I got 22000 likes on that comment. I was so confident that I was write. But after seeing this I’m wrong for now. lol
You were confident you were "right". XD
Yeah I was so confident. But ya got to admit when you’re wrong.
You should play the part where he actually said that and not cut it out after showing a video of him to try to get your point across.
You could play it with 4 drumsticks
Double sticking or electronics ftw! and for the clocks! lol
Trust me, if he REALLY needed to do it, he'd find a way.
He just used his wee-wee for the snare
Just to be a contrarian u could just hold two sticks in one hand. That’s very common place for mallet percussion u could just have two stick in ur hi hat hand
Bennett wins! 🏆 🤠
Dave Rowntree drums. Graham Coxon guitars and additional drums.....
I'ts a sample drum track with other drums merged from other tracks in the mix. It's all made in a sequencer.
Estepario is absolutely the best drum player nowasays
Clearly, what you need is one of those AI-drawn people with an extra limb to play the part
It is impossible to play correct but the difference is so small you can’t notice
I mean in theory you could use your foot on the high hat and now you have two hands for the snare and floor, it would sound exactly the same but I don’t think you would notice when playing 3-4 things at the same time
If y'all just want to take a stroll over to trash theory he just released a video on blur and song 2 and that's because there are two drummers playing the beat The song is two drummers and two bass guitars
So Adam and the Ants could play it.
Drummer Dave rowntree and the guitarist Graham
Coxon both played drums simultaneously...There is also 2 distorted bass guitars played simultaneously..This is well documented..
It doesn't matter how fast you can play, you're never gonna grow a third arm to hit three things at once lmao how are people this dense
He didn't say it was impossible. He just said it was impossible with just two arms. All he needs to do is grow a 3rd arm.
What about the drummer from the Muppets? He can prolly do it.
so they used studio trickery... does that mean even Blur cant play their own song live?? of course not... if your playing it and it fully, RECOGNIZABLY sounds like it THEN THATS IT regardless of extra recorded drums or guitars or voices... and in sure some inventive builder could build an apperatus thatvwould allow for the playing of those two drums simultaneously by one guy...
Ringo could play it
Listen to El.......
Studio can do anything.
Not like the old days ,they would record everything in one go live .
That was best !
Just use a stick hat like Aaron paulsen 🤔
You could "cheat" it and play the hi hat part with your foot, right hand on the tom rim, and use the left hand for the snare and floor tom. It obviously won't sound the same as using a stick but it's the closest you could get
I've seen some drummers with a stick taped to a hat to get an extra hit on the snare, anyone want to test and refine the technique??
Not necessarily two people playing, but one guy recording one over another…
Use a cocktail kick pedal under the floor tom. That’s what I do.
Open handed with no crossed arms looks possible to me missing only a couple hihats hits.
what if you play the hihat eight notes with your left foot?
Mr Bennett. Some confusion in all this comes from your erroneous chart of the main beat.
The "Rowntree" beat is missing the snare on the "and" of 4 of the second bar (it's not in your chart, nor the audio). This is the exact snare thankfully Siberiano points out. The snare that creates the "hh+snare+overdub tom" sound that needs three hands.
Other detail, the toms in the Coxon chart are different toms, first tom is the rack tom, second tom is a floor tom.
Also, the discussion doesn't suggest how to play it. Getting to that last eight note, the effect we like and want to keep is the snare/tom unison. That's what makes the song unique. The last HIHAT should be the sacrificed part. We all know where the eight note is. (The whole rimclick line in the Coxon chart is also sacrificed completely of course).
Furthermore, we could easily play this "sacrificed" hihat with a good chick sound with the left foot (while playing snare/tom with both hands) and make the beat totally possible to play.
Third video with the corrected chart coming up?
Unzips pants...
I still diagree.
You could use Stevens grip (two independent sticks per Hand) and play eighth-notes on both the hi-hat and the rim of your left tom with your left hand, while your right hand plays the snare and tom-parts.
So what I'm hearing is that David, who is a very popular music TH-camr, contacted El Estepario, who is also a very popular TH-camr. They agreed to perpetuate a hoax on all of TH-cam. This started with a simple gag about drums not being able to be played a certain way, but soon after that the two of them took over all of music TH-cam, then TH-cam, then parent company Google, and then the world. All without anyone noticing that it was happening. Is that what I'm hearing? Woo hoo.
You can play it 95% to the original if you play open handed. Left hand on the hi hat, right hand playing the rim of the Tom, the snare and the Tom.
I never stop at a video of that arrogant guy
He played it.
El Estepario Siberiano is definitely the drumming god of TH-cam
i guess if you're into what he does, yeah, personally i disagree
edit: but i recognize why people like him and i recognize i'm in the minority. i just don't like showy musicians much
@@unluckykeysI'd be willing to bet the majority of his fans don't play the drums, and the ones that do are amateurs. Playing straight beats fast doesn't even touch what percussion is about. It's a genre where the drummer tries to sound like a machine. If that's your bliss, great. But, that isn't the state of the art.
@@unluckykeys exactly, i think he a hack IMO ive seen so many better drummers
It's posible, if you can play the hi-hat with your left foot
Okay but he didnt say how many arms he has... surely it is more than two
Really it's more that they're hitting the hi hat and prob a rim or side of the drum and also the snare/tom rhythm. That's what I hear anyway. You can't play the constant hi hat and rim/side at the same time steadily and hit the snare or tom.
Stick hat? @AaronPaulsen
To someone like me who knows literally nothing about drums, it doesn't sound hard. In fact, I would have assumed it was on the easy end. I hate to imagine how many other things I am equivalently wrong about...
I still think he could find a way. His beard or something will come to life and pick up a stick.
That's not a very satisfying answer... what would it need to be possible, a pedal driven floor tom ?
Ummmm it is totally possible, but you'll need a floor tom with a separate pedal. Played by your left foot.
Soooo…. When composing, you can disregard what’s humanly possible.
Opens up new possibilities.
Well yeah, I don’t care about “unplugged” anyway.
I've done it on Song 3.
But it is possible to play on a standard kit, you just have to get some auto Octavius arms.
I think produce like a pro channel broke it down, DA hits the floor Tom while tracking
Get the stick hat
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If EES can’t play it, it can’t be played.
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Technically, schmectically... there's a way to do it. I'll play it with my neck. Foot pedal stick snare, dual hihat with my left.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter, because you can't tell anyway. You just play it how it sounds. Being recording accurate is beyond meaningless to a recreation of the song.
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Who cares? Just pedal the hi hat part straight, then sub out certain rim hits when multiple drums are played
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Great way to shut people up.
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I don't know why espresso groupies annoy me so much. I guess it's because there are really fantasic drummers out there no one ever talks about, while this guy is a lame one trick pony. Playing super fast straight notes is like dead lifting weights. A respectable physical accomplishment, sure. But, why is everyone confusing that with music?
That guy is not even o e of the best drummers....Just because he couldn't play it and says it's impossible doesn't mean there ain't a better drummer out there that can do it.