I have deer walk by my windows occasionally Mike but the Elk are up in northern Pa. My sister and brother in law lived in Jackson Hole for 12-15 years and what Beautiful animals they are! Bet you thought the Elk Fairy visited, eh? And good shootin I’d say! Kind Thanks, give you elk, deer, dogs and chickens hugs for me and keep your powder loaded! Many Blessings! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Corn meal is non combustible and is pushed up into the grooves under the patch reducing gas blowby.....all kinds of interesting things to try......I had a cap and ball revolver loaded 5 months ..no problem with right technique...but that another story
It's my comment you're referring to, "For me, unacceptable". I need a rifle to shoot where I'm aiming. Almost all my shots at game with a muzzleloader are off hand. I can miss on my own, I don't want extra help. If my rifle is sighted in dead nuts on the bench obviously I can't hold the same groups off hand. If I'm three inches off from the off hand position from my lack of steadiness, plus even more do to drying out of a patch , I could miss or even worse wound the animal. I can't remember what distance you shot the paper plate at but as we all know the divergence from center is only going to get worse the farther away the target is shot at. There wasn't any malice or ego in my comment, it wouldn't work for me in the hunting field.
Is your rifle coned?? If not than this video and shot are irrelevant to you, in the sense you can use a pre lubed patch. I can not because of the coning. I did a video explaining this issue, and how others years ago reading the same articles in Muzzle Loader Magazine had the same issues. The purpose at that time was to do away with the (non period correct) use of a short starter. Also saving loading time in timed events. The end results were, was the use of a spit patch. For me this is the first in several years I have not killed a deer on opening day, or one at all. Remember, I stated I was going to shoot with my glasses off which would as I stated make the target fuzzy, and my rear sight clear. The video I did with the maxi ball shows this rifle does shoot straight. FYI this rifle is sighted in at 50 yards, the 30 yard shot would impact a little high. Testing my home made BP also shows what this rifle can do. The Ego comment was not directed at you, I have made that comment multiple times on this channel, also in reference to those I have competed with over the years, it's a general observation regarding those I have competed with. There are those who will never compete shooting at paper targets, because their egos can not handle their misses with off hand shooting and those who will never shoot at steel targets, they find trail walks boring, or do not like having a fellow shooter go with them to keep things honest. After over 30 years I have seen it all. I have to consider all things when making comment in videos, and who might click on that video years later. Hope this helps. Kind Regards
Are you going to still make a video from the bench where you shoot with and without your loading rod in the gun? I suggested this a bit ago. Shoot like 3 shots of each please?
Have you used an over powder patch or card.....have you tried corn meal over the powder...I have seen articles over the years claiming benefits over both .... and also saw saw one person using a wafer of lube under the bullet
No, firstly I do not have any conical molds for Black powder guns, Strictly round ball, and I may sell my TC maxi ball mold, have not decided on that yet.
Any oil burns, at that moment the ball reaches the void of the coning the fire is getting around the patch and depending on the twist, ( right or left) the ball travels more or less in that direction. The ball looses contact with the patch, because the flame ignites the patch in stead of protecting the ball . Look how far I have noted picking up my spit patches, compared to oiled patches, most oiled patched do not go beyond the chronograph, at about 12 feet. My spit patches travel sometimes 50, 60 feet away. Hope this gives you some insight.
FYI if you want to shoot accurately, the muzzle needs to be perfectly flat and square. That is why competitive shooters have a false muzzle they load through, it is removed before the shot. There is not much info on competitive Muzzle loading on TH-cam. If you really want to become an expert shot find some competitive bench shooters. There is a lot to learn about BP shooting, most of what you see on the tube is very basic and some is just wrong. I love lame beaver's videos and his honesty but I would have to agree that his shot is way too far from dead center at 30 yards off the bench. Perhaps a conversation about crowning sporting rifles would be a good topic for a video. Keep up the good work, lame beaver.🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠
@@dlh1947us Perhaps I should have kept my glasses on, I did state with them off the target would be fuzzy. That's why I showed the target with the maxi ball shooting. I had my glasses on during that shoot.
Aim small miss small!
Man your lucky to have elk wish we had them in upper Michigan very educational Mike like your videos learned lots thanks 👍👍👍👍👍
I have deer walk by my windows occasionally Mike but the Elk are up in northern Pa. My sister and brother in law lived in Jackson Hole for 12-15 years and what Beautiful animals they are! Bet you thought the Elk Fairy visited, eh? And good shootin I’d say! Kind Thanks, give you elk, deer, dogs and chickens hugs for me and keep your powder loaded! Many Blessings! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Thank you. The Elk are an awesome animal.
Corn meal is non combustible and is pushed up into the grooves under the patch reducing gas blowby.....all kinds of interesting things to try......I had a cap and ball revolver loaded 5 months ..no problem with right technique...but that another story
Thank you. My rifle is coned, corn meal would not help in this application.
Good, you are correct.
It's my comment you're referring to, "For me, unacceptable". I need a rifle to shoot where I'm aiming. Almost all my shots at game with a muzzleloader are off hand. I can miss on my own, I don't want extra help. If my rifle is sighted in dead nuts on the bench obviously I can't hold the same groups off hand. If I'm three inches off from the off hand position from my lack of steadiness, plus even more do to drying out of a patch , I could miss or even worse wound the animal. I can't remember what distance you shot the paper plate at but as we all know the divergence from center is only going to get worse the farther away the target is shot at. There wasn't any malice or ego in my comment, it wouldn't work for me in the hunting field.
Is your rifle coned?? If not than this video and shot are irrelevant to you, in the sense you can use a pre lubed patch. I can not because of the coning. I did a video explaining this issue, and how others years ago reading the same articles in Muzzle Loader Magazine had the same issues. The purpose at that time was to do away with the (non period correct) use of a short starter. Also saving loading time in timed events. The end results were, was the use of a spit patch. For me this is the first in several years I have not killed a deer on opening day, or one at all.
Remember, I stated I was going to shoot with my glasses off which would as I stated make the target fuzzy, and my rear sight clear. The video I did with the maxi ball shows this rifle does shoot straight. FYI this rifle is sighted in at 50 yards, the 30 yard shot would impact a little high. Testing my home made BP also shows what this rifle can do.
The Ego comment was not directed at you, I have made that comment multiple times on this channel, also in reference to those I have competed with over the years, it's a general observation regarding those I have competed with. There are those who will never compete shooting at paper targets, because their egos can not handle their misses with off hand shooting and those who will never shoot at steel targets, they find trail walks boring, or do not like having a fellow shooter go with them to keep things honest. After over 30 years I have seen it all. I have to consider all things when making comment in videos, and who might click on that video years later. Hope this helps. Kind Regards
Are you going to still make a video from the bench where you shoot with and without your loading rod in the gun? I suggested this a bit ago. Shoot like 3 shots of each please?
I already did. I think you missed it.
Have you used an over powder patch or card.....have you tried corn meal over the powder...I have seen articles over the years claiming benefits over both .... and also saw saw one person using a wafer of lube under the bullet
I did a use and recorded my attempt at using a patch over the powder, but because my rifles are coned I have to stick with a spit patch.
Any plans to sell conical on the etsy shop?
No, firstly I do not have any conical molds for Black powder guns, Strictly round ball, and I may sell my TC maxi ball mold, have not decided on that yet.
😅@lamebeavertradingco.1642 well if you decide to sell I'm in the market.
Not that you need my analysis.
Ok, dummy here, why does a coned barrel throw a greased patch off?
Not trolling, I really don’t understand
Any oil burns, at that moment the ball reaches the void of the coning the fire is getting around the patch and depending on the twist, ( right or left) the ball travels more or less in that direction. The ball looses contact with the patch, because the flame ignites the patch in stead of protecting the ball . Look how far I have noted picking up my spit patches, compared to oiled patches, most oiled patched do not go beyond the chronograph, at about 12 feet. My spit patches travel sometimes 50, 60 feet away. Hope this gives you some insight.
@@lamebeavertradingco.1642 thanks
FYI if you want to shoot accurately, the muzzle needs to be perfectly flat and square. That is why competitive shooters have a false muzzle they load through, it is removed before the shot. There is not much info on competitive Muzzle loading on TH-cam. If you really want to become an expert shot find some competitive bench shooters. There is a lot to learn about BP shooting, most of what you see on the tube is very basic and some is just wrong. I love lame beaver's videos and his honesty but I would have to agree that his shot is way too far from dead center at 30 yards off the bench. Perhaps a conversation about crowning sporting rifles would be a good topic for a video. Keep up the good work, lame beaver.🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠
@@dlh1947us Perhaps I should have kept my glasses on, I did state with them off the target would be fuzzy. That's why I showed the target with the maxi ball shooting. I had my glasses on during that shoot.