The Types of Girls Rockstars Get w/ Billy Corgan
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Bill Maher and Billy Corgan on rock-n-roll urban legends, the very bad thing that happened to the singer of Three Dog Night, how every band has a Connie, why Billy doesn’t behave like a typical rock star, Billy’s dad’s unorthodox career, Billy’s Bob Denver story, and what motivates Elon Musk (it’s not money).
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Say what you will, I think Billy Corgan did a damn fine job of interviewing Bill Maher.
This comment is under rated
@@user-mw3oc2su8b It really is.... LOL LOL
Somebody posts this on every Maher clip. I
@@junkboxxxxxx It's true. Maher is an idiot.
Exactly. Thank you.
Bill came out of this interview looking like an old man who spent too much time at the Playboy mansion And Billy came off as a much more respectable and thoughtful individual then I would have imagined given the potentials of his multi decade rockstar lifestyle.
Well, just look at his stupid basement
Bill with his dad Hugh at the mansion?
@@mattbatcher802 Dad? I thought Hugh was Bills son based on how he was talking. I better edit the Eulogy quick before I embarass myself at the bunga bunga party open mic.
Bill is Peter Pan
Billy Corgan is almost always ahead of his interviewers. He's a very smart man.
I met Billy Corgan in ‘91, in Baltimore. It was a small club, when they were just starting out. I was amazed. I wound up hanging out with the band after, and there was a homeless man playing guitar by the pier, and Billy got the band over, and we all did a sing along to some Bad Company song. We talked all night. He was a total gentleman. One of the most memorable nights of my life.❤❤❤
Your post hit me because I have a strange, similar angle (yet...... not?). I've been playing music as long as Corgan (slighty less successful,... ok. MUCH LESS). The type of club you went to in '91 is where I've spent the last 35 years of my life. It's just the kind of music I listen to (and, it's difficult to pay big $ for a LARGE venue show. I've been to large venues where the security barricade was further away from the stage than the bar in a smaller venue).
Your story ending up on the pier with the homeless guy? THAT'S AWESOME! Still, prior to that point? Commonplace. Buying shirts from members at the merch table. Seeing them at the bar or smoking area. "Alternative" areas (drugs/mischief). The point I'm making is that Corgan is STR8 up my wavelength with his assessment. If someone wanted to "service" a band member in THAT setting? WEIRD! Who the?!?!?!?!??! WHA?!?!?!??! Maher's take? EVERYONE is LAUGHING THEIR ASS OFF AT THAT PERSON!!!!! "Let me get this right........ Random person...... May already be a walking petri dish for all you know....... Propositions you????? And you just GO?????? WHATTA PATHETIC MORON!!!! How DESPERATE ARE YOU?!?!?!?" Honestly? Never seen ANY other take.
Even at extremely violent or "suggestive" shows, "zero notice/blind hook ups" are made fun of. ZERO respect for EITHER participant! Not "disgraceful," but not "atta boy/girl", either.
Normal people. Even here in SoCal (by LA), real people KNOW goofy, unrealistic, childish ego boosting after a show. Fighting or F'n. Junior High show-out, 100%.
Boring!
What a great night ! ❤️
What did the hobo do?
Connie??
No you didn’t
Billy is speaking on a higher level about companionship and relating to fans as people. Bill seems to see them as admirers and potential hook up partners.
His attitude is typical of showbusiness jews. That's basically how it works in Hollywood and in TV.
Corgan is so patient with this guy. The guy insists on his point of view and don't even try to understand Corgan. Still, Corgan remains respectful.
Absolutely! I always loved the Pumpkins and Corgan's work, but this takes him to a whole new level for me.
That's just how Bill Maher is. Lol
I have a hard time listening to maher... But he never has any problem finding platform...🤔🤷
He does that with everyone. He thinks everyone thinks exactly like him.
@@ovld2023 democrats are that way...show me a strong male democrat
“Sometimes they bore the shit out of you and you wonder why u let them in your room.” Feels like billy was thinking that about bill lol
indeed
Bill was threatened by Billy's coolness so he nervously over talked to feel on the same level
Bill Maher literally cannot comprehend what Billy Corgan means when he says he didn't want to be objectified and pandered to merely for his stage persona. Maher seems like a pretty thoughtful person. But whenever the subject of women comes up, he seems inordinately bent on pushing a pro-hookup lifestyle in perpetuity, when some people don't want that or eventually grow out of it. This is the recurring conversation in many of these Club Random clips that I see, and it's starting to seem like Maher isn't as happy in his bachelor life as he proclaims to be and spends the guest's time and energy trying to justify it.
Yeah, nothing wrong with Bill’s lifestyle as I lived it for a long time but it’s pleasure, not happiness. It’s empty and the novelty eventually wears off.
Had the same thought. I've noticed this on a lot of clips and it's tiring me out. Really losing interest in this podcast
Bill's great in a lot of ways. Been a fan of his since I was a teenager, and I've been watching him for over 20 years. But he's always struck me as a fairly self-absorbed man, and as he's gotten older it's becoming obvious that he's also a lonely one. However, he's too egotistical to ever admit that he might be in the wrong.
Hooking up with a lot of women is fun. But having fun isn't the same thing as being happy, and being married has actually given me happiness. Of course, this only applies if you marry the right person, and marriage isn't necessarily for everyone. But Bill is so self-absorbed that he must let everyone know that his life choices are the correct ones. It's kind of like how he became obsessed with "ageism" as soon as he turned 60. It's all about himself.
@@NicholasPR You're absolutely right. I actually was really interested in hearing Billy Corgan's stories about what it's like on the road (all the crazy things that only rock stars can witness and experience), as well as his perspective on it which seemed to have surprising depth. Instead, we got Maher's same old rant.
@@someguy3186 You're spot on, especially about the age issue. I saw Maher on Bill Burr's podcast, and Maher got really annoyed when Burr harmlessly said that Maher came from an earlier "generation" of comics, which was true. Maher derailed the interview just to dwell on proving they were practically the same age, which Burr hilariously wouldn't accept (especially when Maher kept talking about the Beatles being better than Taylor Swift, which Burr noted was a pretty Boomer thing to harp on). 😂 Burr was just joking around, but Maher was taking it so seriously, sitting defiantly with his arms crossed (which, again, Burr called him out on)!
Never been a huge Pumpkins fan, but my respect for Corgan jumped up several notches listening to this. I respect restraint and the ability to see a person for who they are, rather than what they can do for/to you.
He's almost always amazing and interviews. He's very smart and very reasonable. Lot of good ideas and thoughts
Maher cant comprehend that some men arent shallow pigs.
An ugly one at that 😂
Bippity boppity
it's a childish conversation with no redeeming qualitites
True
He said it enlightened him so at least he was open minded of it.
Billy describing how he had a girl back in his room and how they just talked all night, "that's just kinda where it went" is truly one of the most wholesome things I've ver heard. Mad respect for this legend.
he don't like girls for sex ;)
This is Mark Kozelek's life story
Question is if that was his purpose and what he wanted. Probably not.
@@charrua59Yes, those were their intentions.
@@kazman_6899 Lol, apparently Mark Kozelek has been editing his life story. Trimming certain "unsavory" moments, we'll say.
Gotta admire how Billy is dedicated to wearing the same t-shirt that says "Zero" for over 25 years....
That's dedication
😂
Billy's Agent : "G-sus Billy. You've been wearing that same effing shirt for 25 years. I know you gotta have something else in your closet. How many other shirts do you have?"
Billy: "Zero."
well to be fair, it's not like it is exactly the same shirt. h'e made it a whole brand out of it. Hoodies, Ts, all that.
Zero Skateboards t-shirt. It's a skateboarding company with team riders, boards, etc.... look up Jamie Thomas.
Isnt it nice when Bill Mahrer brings in different, interesting people to listen to him talk about himself? I wonder if they know how lucky they are?
Damn straight!🤣
Yeah, and Maher doesn’t mention all of his trips to Thailand to meet underage “professional” girls.
Worst podcast host ever 😂😂
Well said. I spit my coffee through my nose when I read your comment.
He is pretty useless and a legend in his own mind
Maher is like the drunk sitting at the bar who wants to talk but is impossible to talk to.
So true
it's quite sad...he opens up like talking to a therapist..poor billy having to sit thru that waffle
lol oh god it’s so true. Or from the bartender’s perspective, he’s the guy who never stops talking to you.
Bill can’t help being a creep in even in front of someone who is pure class.
"Connie the MILF?"
"I.......I wouldn't call her a MILF....." LOL
Connie Hamzy. In 1993 she would have been 38 but with her lifestyle probably looked 45.
i went to school with her. in her teens and twenties, she was cute. by the time corgan would be of interest to her, she was well past her prime. "rode hard, put away wet", as they say. she's dead now, so... r.i.p.
There's a big difference between a cougar and a milf. 😂
@@HeyMykee ok, i had a friend that knew a guy(😃) that was propositioned by connie in the mid 70's. (at a damn mcdonald's, but he WAS a studly guy). he insisted he didn't have intercourse, but he did allow her to perform on him. i didn't believe him, but even back then she was already a little bit used up.
(edit) as an aside, about 10 years later, bill clinton tried to hit on her at the nltrk hilton and SHE turned HIM down, lol.
A MIWNLF
The difference in maturity between these two is night and day.
Bill can't grasp that one might not want to sleep with someone just because they can - Billy seems a bit more evolved as a person here
many handsome looking men would die of AIDS with that approach
Actually, more than a bit.
im older and no heart throb but ive been in the entertainment biz and have turned down women politely in front of men. these fools acted like i levitated five feet in the air or some shit. like guys, im not 19, that shit would be no fun lol
I have a problem with a single guy who turns down a blowjob, and then wants to lecture. Just sayin'
MUCH more.
Maher is a morally corrupt swine
The more I hear Billy speak, the more I like him. A real class act.
Crazy smart. Crazy. Smart.
@@user-jy3br3wj1d Great combination. Lol
I'm not even a big fan of his music, but I've seen several interviews and he's whip-smart.
Maher seems so confused that a famous guy isn't interested in screwing anything available to him. Does not compute for him.
Billy is a sensitive and authentic guy, just because he can sleep with someone doesn’t mean he will when he isn’t feeling genuine.
You might want to review his dating history...like his involvement with Courtney Love.
Oh god, shaddup!
@@mattbegley8613 😂
It's funny how Bill can't comprehend what Billy is saying. It's almost as though Corgan is speaking to Bill in tongues.
Maher been hanging with too many call girls.
Bill Maher comes off as the kind of person who wants to argue simply because he doesn’t understand.
Yea
Billy Corgan said he is a snob which frankly is very honest and I have to respect that frankly cause so am I. Let's be honest in the mid 90s that dude could of father countless children by fans who chased him over his status.
Men with really high status have the same problem that really beautiful women have. The opposite gender wants them in a shallow sense. Call it first world problems call it what you will.
Just cause you have the power to take advantage of someone doesn't mean you do it.
OR they are mostly lying and just have a very selective memory. I certainly didn't get enough of them, but I can easily see how 'stranger sex' can get old at a certain point when you know all they want is to brag to their girlfriends that they 'bagged the big fish'. But I also have a theory in that at least for young girls, ANY sex they have in their local circle is going to get out and they are going to be judged on it, while this is like 'safe sex' meaning its sex you NEVER have to worry about coming back to haunt you or stalk you.
I would say, one man’s “snobbery “ is another man’s discernment.
@@Ezekiel33USA I wont lie I had to look up discernment. I cant say I disagree. You live and learn. There is a wise saying a pessimist is an optimist with experience.
I don't think he's a snob just that he's genuinely intellectual and many things seem shallow to him.
He said he's a snob as a way to move on from the topic, Maher wasn't getting his point of view.
I had a friend who was in a touring band in the mid 90s and he told me about meeting "Sweet Connie" and it's exactly how Billy described it. She just appears out of nowhere and announces, "You're gonna be my next..." He said it thoroughly grossed him out and got out of there.
She was from Little Rock Arkansas. Saw her all the time at concerts and was on a flight with her when she was headed to the Texas Jam in Dallas.
@@bridgettenney4671 she passed couple of years back. I never heard of her, until the news about her passing.
@@gordon9177 Yeah, she was already old when my friend met her.
@@TheKitchenerLeslie sad stuff
@@gordon9177 I guess, but she seemed pretty happy with her life... she did what she did until the end. There's interviews with her going back a long time... same with the Plaster Casters.
This was another opportunity for Billy to show his class. He knows Maher is not really listening to him , so he smiles and nods and moves on.
Yep.
I have respect for Billy Corgan. I think being picky just means you have certain standards and values you’re not willing to compromise.
My life in a nutshell
its also just someone who doesnt need to fuck a complete stranger all the time. no one is mentioning how much risk is involved when you have 20 women a night to choose from when you are a target from so many vultures. many celebs have social anxiety on top of all that lol.
that is how the band is on top of the rock and roll pile, well above their contemporaries most would argue.
since he was about 5 years old, he was around world class musicians such as his father and uncle who were in successful bands.
Bill Maher loves to hear himself talk & in his over inflated ego misses the mark. Corgan has an interesting perspective here. But, instead we go off on a tangent that takes us nowhere. In the meantime, the guy with the unique perspective is the one kept quiet. I respect Corgan’s professionalism. Maher is just an agitated person & it’s his poor attitude that undermines what brief nuggets he might make once in a great while.
You are 100% correct if this would have been Larry King he would have tee'd up the questions and just kept the guests answers going and nudging the dialogue to move from one interesting topic to the other and let the guests tell their story not the interviewer interrupt with his inconsequential blather and POV
I think most talkshow hosts do
I’m sure Billy has had his share but he seems to be a really thoughtful guy. Definitely a mature mindset.
I believe everything Billy says about his past with women. Billy is a very unique and pure hearted soul in so many ways. His music really reflects his heart and soul and it's beautiful. I will always have a lot of respect for this guy.
The famous groupie Connie Hamzy was born in 1955, which would make her 38 when she "met" The Smashing Pumpkins in 1993. "We're an American Band" was written in 1973, so Connie started doing her groupie thing at a young age.
Looks her up NOW!! I think all her teef are gone..:B
@@mr.snicker-doodles7081 she passed away in 2021.
She claims her first escapade with a Rock Star, the drummer of Steppenwolf, happened when she was just 15 years old.
...that would NOT be ok today!
She was from Arkansas
@@michaeldavis6607 it sounds like she tried to get with Bill Clinton once.
It's incredible how difficult a time Bill has following a simple thought a guest is presenting.
Pot will do that.
That's because he's not actually intelligent or informed. He's just a narcissist who likes to consider himself a deep thinker. I love how he just noticed that the left was out of control and tried to combat it.....after cheering it on for the last 10 years when it was mostly affecting the people he disliked and ignorantly considered to be the problem.
Exactly
Then he goes on and on trying to explain to himself what Billy is saying clearly.
it comes across in the high notes Bill makes often. Just like his show, he maintains the posture of the most loathesome person ever.
Bill is a cheese-head when it comes to arts outside of comedy. Billy is not actually a snob. He has good taste, and is just being self-depreciating.
facts. bill didnt even realize that billy was trying to give them both an out to move the conversation away due to bills lack of comprehension
@@lowlowseesee Maher is too busy hamming it up.
He dated the most infamous groupie around until she latched on to Kurt Cobain and sucked the life out of him.
Dayum! 🧛♀️😬
A 27-year-old is responsible for their own behavior.
And then he dated Courtney again, after Kurt died
maher or corgan ??
Dude dodged a bullet 💯
Bob Dylan said it best.
“All the silver
All the gold
All the sweethearts you can hold”
Even the average man with some money reaches the point where he just relaxes about this stuff.
"Every day is a new day, it's like saying I've had all the food I could have."
The hedonic treadmill is a pathetic ride.
Yeah, we don't need sex to survive, well, maybe Bill thinks he does.
Just tell Bill you slept with everyone and just walked away. That will make him happy. He can’t tell him “Yes, I slept with a lot of girls. I had a lot of nice conversations with girls I didn’t actually sleep with all of them. I didn’t like doing that.” Just say, yes, I’m a dog. He will like that. Weirdo.
i think you're on to something regarding his schtick and of course he's seen himself as younger and more dashing than connie the groupie for the last 22 years. let him pretend....i like the guy and most conversations grow tiresome but when you can predict the angle 90% of the time, why watch?
exactly right, as a hetero horn dog in my 40s even I find Bill pretty gross here that he cannot even fathom this.
I saw Smashing Pumpkins and Noel Gallagher 🇬🇧 🎸 in 2019 and I was blown out of the water . They sounded just as amazing as they did in the 1990s .
A toast to Billy for going for the intellectual and emotional connection ❤👍
Me too! It was a great show, right?!
I hope you have a fantastic day, stranger.
Where did you see them Tamar ? . Me in Tinley Pk. Great show the stage effects and hugedolls. Watched them break down and it all was cloth and lowered into a box. So visual and sound was on.i was going to give this woman a lift back to her hotel but i couldn't find my car . Parking there is atrocious, felt bad for her cause she came 6 hours away only after caring for her ailing father for months and when i hit my alarm 50 other people were doing the same and lights and alarms were Everywhere !!! We laughed and went our own way..
Bill is analysing this from his own perspective - fame for him is a way of projecting his own personality to like-minded people. For Billy and for rock stars, fame projects them as gods - especially at rock concerts which is culturally the height of excitement and hedonism. The dynamic is completely different and leads to different responses from the women.
Bill is so stoned he has no idea of what the convo is about.
I came here looking for this comment. I don't know the premise of this show. He sure as hell looks and sounds high. Is he high on this show?
Who?
bill is clueless lol
This show stinks. All he does is get high and drink. He sounds stupid in every show.
What Bill doesn't get is that Billy didn't/doesn't like to be idolized. That's what Billy means by objectification. He knows he's not a god (idol) which is what groupies do: they idolize. It's classic Jungian archetypal projection of Anima--the god or ideal male within--which women project on men.
I recall an AMA he did on reddit. People asked him about his cats, how he kept his bald head so shiny. He said he appreciated being talked to as a person not a rock star.
Not necessarily, we have VERY little actual perspective from the groupies point of view, they tend not to be taken seriously. Some are outright muses to some rock stars, some become very close to them. Some just want to get laid, some use it as a competition with their girlfriends as a status thing. Some are VERY drunk or high at the time. There are likely as many reasons as there are for musicians to hook up with them. A teacher has groupies but doesn't shag them...usually. When they are blowing a roadie or manager thats harldy being idolized. And of course there are groupies and groupies, some are known just by musicians, some are exclusve TO a band like a 'fan', some to rock musicians as a group. I remember phil collins saying how a gorgeous girl used to come to all the london genesis shows in the seventies before they were big, she never hooked up with anybody, she was just a 'fan',but as you say in this case there was no idolatry or desire to meet the band. That seems Bills mistake, trying to dumb a big reality into a sentence that explains everybody.
@@mikearchibald744 The vast majority of fans idolize without becoming groupies, Remember that for every fan who becomes a groupie there may be thousands or millions who fantasize having sex with a star.
It's funny that Bill can't fathom not wanting to hook up with new girls all the time. He's like that 21-year-old in the clubs every Friday and Saturday trying to get laid because that's all he wants. Some of us don't want that forever, Bill.
Billy seems really deep and care more about a personal connection where as Bill just seems to act like a simple teenage boy when speaking on the subject of hookups and women. He’s having a hard time understanding that there’s more to it sometimes than just mindless sex.
These guys were not on the same page. It was kind of a weird show to watch. It was kind of like two complete strangers never really bonding.
I think it was because Corgan grew out of that whole "hot babes" mentality a long time ago. Maher's still stuck in it.
Im not a rockstar, actor, or comedian. But, my guess about being any and more is that it all becomes a job. Just like any job!! Its like the idea of "being hungry" drives success. If youre Billy Corgan who's been on the road for months, random stranger hookups after work would get old. It's not as exciting anymore. Maybe ya just wanna get the day over and enjoy dinner and a movie.
I saw them perform live twice on September 26, 1998, when they were the musical guest on SNL. I remember that D'arcey was super cordial to chat with, maybe because of the the Chicago connection. Such a memorable time.
“Had a conversation that lasted all night” = code for doing coke
Possibly, but to quote John Cleese from the Argument Clinic skit, "Not necessarily".
That's what I did in the hotel room with REO Speedwagon.
Didn't become a groupie that night, I became a 16 year old music journalist selling articles and photos in '77 at 16 for the Louisiana Music Hall of Fame and local papers.
After a couple years and a couple of free lance stories, I was on full time with Rolling Stone.
"Nice gig if you can get it."
Not all young girls dream of being groupies.
But it was cool being pulled from the audience by the roadie's to go to the after party at the hotel.
I thought it was going to be a party, but it was the band, and me and my friend in a room.
Nope no one had sex, but we TALKED and Kevin wrote down the music review format for being published because I asked.
That's the talking we did all night.
Shop talk at 16.
Bill not understanding the concept of someone feeling like they’re being objectified is jaw dropping. His need to teach Billy that he really was not being objectified, what a bizarre thing to harp so much on. How does one tell the difference between being liked or objectified? I suppose you can’t always tell unless you know the motivations and history of each person expressing “like” for you. Hearing the story after the fact from Billy certainly wouldn’t give Bill any view into the motivations or history of those people, far less so than Billy having actually encountered them himself. The more I listen to this show the more I realize I don’t like Bill as much as I thought I did. That makes me a little bit sad.
The drugs don't help Bill's train of thought.
1:10 - You can tell Billy's been in these stoned conversations before. lol Maher's doing that stoner rambling thing and Corgan just goes along. #Respect
Fuck I didn't know he smoked weed LOL
I was looking through the comments to determine if that WAS a joint.
@@chriskolb3105 That's what Maher has in his right hand.
The drugs don’t work - they just make you worse.
This is the most I have ever heard Billy let someone else talk in an interview 😂
Not by choice
Looked up Connie. She tried to get into politics. Died in 2021.
what was the name of the song? and what was her last name? I wanted to look her up too :D
@@frankjoyce76Grand Funk Railroad “We’re An American Band” Connie Hamzy.
Surprise, surprise. Lol
In the words of Tupac :
“Every time she sees me she squeeze me,
I hate to sound sleezy but tease me,
I don’t want it if it’s that easy”
Billy has got to be one of the most levelheaded articulate rock stars alive if only politicians could be this smart
politics are actors, musicians are story makers ..he is beyond a puppet
@@davidaaronartist ...and grammar seems to be a very foreign concept.
Probably because he wasn't a druggie or alcoholic like so many others.
Billy is a stand up guy and wasn’t about sleeping with chicks just because he could apparently he was raised right
D'Arcy was also probably there and we could only imagine the dynamic that woulda brought if Billy had been extra friendly with Connie 😂
I don't think he actually was though ,if I'm remembering his JRE interview accurately
His childhood wasn’t great. He posted a series of blogs about it back in the MySpace days which I read faithfully every week (if memory serves). However in spite of that it seems he is a decent and intelligent guy.
Not sure what "being raised right" has to do with being promiscuous. If you want to have sex with a lot of people then have at it. If you don't you don't. I find it kind of odd when you equate abstinence to morality.
@@MrOctober44 because typically people raised with good values don’t act like that it’s pretty self explanatory
Maher is all about using his fame to get women. Can’t comprehend
My father in law had a college class with Connie and he she once gave a presentation wearing- as he described it- little more than a bikini. Said he didn’t hear a word she said, but he’ll always remember that presentation 😂
It’s a shame Connie never outgrew her groupie stage and basically died a lonely person.
There is a zero percent chance she wasn’t sexually traumatized as a child, and everyone who fed that trauma throughout her life did her an immense disservice.
outgrew her groupie stage or out-aged it?
@billbadson7598 People just want to *uck sometimes, are they obligated to examine every scenario for the possibility of misery in the individual. There are also women who just like to screw, and sometimes those women are great.
@@billyin4c514 those broads are the best damned broads in the whole wide world!!! those who like to get down with the get down!!!
@@billyin4c514 _"People just want to *uck sometimes, are they obligated to examine every scenario for the possibility of misery in the individual."_
Yes.
Maher is afraid of finding true human emotional connection with a woman.
We need a Rock music revival so badly. The 60s, 70s, & 90s had such great music, but it's been almost 30 years & I'm still waiting for the next wave. This conversation makes me realize that we were all conditioned to value the wrong things like sex and drugs over the music. Billy's written a double disc album with probably 20+ instruments on it, so he's right to not want to be remembered for the wrong things. Meanwhile the bands we saw who were most beholden to their vices didn't last. They either died young or are shells of themselves like Motley Crew lip-sincing. The real question is how do we revive one of the greatest genres of music? I recently listened to a top 150 current rock playlist and it's in such a dire state. I really couldn't believe how bad it is right now.
Well white folk forgot the roots of the genre and the final nail was the pig squeals & screaming
ray voyant is probably the one who would create such new wave
waiting for his debut album
Idk about a wave but Greta van Fleet is rocking as hard as any group ever rocked and I mean that
@@TejanoTigre Greta's cool classic rock vibe. There are new bands doing good work like Turnstile, All Them Witches, Highly Suspect, Royal Blood, Red Fang. But it's hard to find good content and much of the genre is still being carried by already established bands like Deftones, Tool, Incubus, Slipknot, Alice In Chains. Part of the issue might be that modern production/recording techniques are conducive to hip hop. However those same technical advancements also make it easier to record any genre, including Rock, so I just can't understand why an infusion of youth & fresh songwriting is so distant. The talent has to be out there. It simply needs to be discovered, promoted, supported accordingly.
Sweet sweet Connie doing her act, she had the whole show and that's a natural fact.
If Billy met her in 93 and she was 40 something. And she was a known quantity to Grand Funk in 73. She got started young. Lawd hammercy. -- She's been interviewed. Started rockin at 17 (Maybe 15 though that's just implied.) th-cam.com/video/2SiZ-fXY2xg/w-d-xo.html
All of what Billy Corgan said here made perfect sense and I do not know why Maher was not able to get a grasp on it.
If there’s a rock star that’s too snobby to hook up with groupies it’s billy. He’s truly an artist
I really like the dynamic of this interview. Bill could be optimistic and say "they meant every night it's on" when they say they watch his show every night.
I never got into the Smashing Pumpkins. Saw them live and wasn’t impressed.
However, I enjoy listening to Billy Corgan. He’s pretty honest and straight up about whatever he’s talking about.
That's an interesting perspective. When did you see them in concert?
As a very wise man once wrote, we are only immortal for a limited time. I have no doubt that there have been plenty of opportunities not to be impressed by a Smashing Pumpkins show, but at the peak of their powers, they melted folks' faces off (when they felt like it).
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Lollapalooza. Pittsburgh, 93 or 94. It wasn’t an ideal situation. I’m not an all day festival kind of guy. For me, it’s all about the music. Not into the distractions.
@@carlosangeleszbored by great musicians with excellent songwriting skills.
I was that way with Nirvana. Although I didnt see them live. I ignored their music but I love listening to Dave Grohl and his interviews
Dude, the aeroplane box set at bill’s feet is a great touch. I must’ve listened to that box set a hundred times as a kid.
Concerning Motorhead groupies… guitarist Eddie Clarke used to say the roadies used to ask him, “how’d I taste, mate?” After a rendezvous with a groupie. That spoke volumes on the groupie lifestyle.
There was a scene in the opening of the "Day In A Half In The Life of Metallica" videotape that had a road crew member under the stage running through a pile of Polaroids of different chicks they all ran train on and a lot of the chicks in the pictures just looked broken. I know rock n' roll is a very Bohemian lifestyle, as it were, and that at that point, it was roughly only 2 decades removed from the 1960's, but in recent years the gratuitous sex thing has just all become very dark to me lol. I used to think that was like the most awesome thing in the world at one time.
I believe there's a difference between a pop star that 14 year olds like and true rock stars. Rock stars can attract interest from people from all types of groups. If you go to a Harry Styles concert, you're likely to see teenage girls. If you go to a Bruce Springsteen or Stevie Nicks concert, you're going to see a mix of both young and old. I've been to see both artist and the age range is noticeable. That's the difference between the two.
I went to Andrea Bocelli when I was 25, and it was all old people.
Interesting point. You might be onto something.
Billy is such a cool guy.
“Every Band? …AND the crew!” 😂😂😂
Billy is such an interesting dude. Love his take on this.
Always like what Billy Corgan has to say. He's well-spoken. Articulate.
In my 20’s/30’s I was a bartender at a popular bar in the LA area. It was crazy the amount of tail that got thrown our way. I could’ve even begin to imagine rock star level.
Bill needs to get over the old stereotype of every Rockstar wanting a groupie. Corgan was part of a generation that wasn't interested in that. A famous groupie wrote in her memoir when the 1990's era of Alternative Rock bands ruled the world, groupies like her were finished. They were mocked by bands & had a harder time doing Stars. She wrote in 1993 she managed to get back stage at a Pearl Jam show but everyone rejected her except guitarist Mike McCready but he was an alcoholic then & couldn't get it up.
Saying music excites teenagers and thats who rock n roll is for makes sense but not everyone who reaches their 20s broadens their tastes which is why all the washed up old bands from the 70-90s are able to sustain their careers long past them being relevant and in the mainstream. They wouldnt still be around drawing people to their shows if everyone who listened to them when they were teenagers stopped listening to them in their 20s and forgot about them. Smashing Pumpkins are still around and drawing good crowds because theres enough people who liked them 30 years ago when they were 14-18 who are now 44-48 who still like them and didnt just forget about when they hit their 20s and discovered new music.
what the hell does being relevant mean? how is any band relevant ?
PEOPLE feel nostalgiac for their youth when life was simpler and this was the soundtrack.
I grew up in the 90s in a small town, around people with problems, and was into this and other music.
But I had to get out of there, so i went to college and developed a good career, traveled and moved around the country and even abroad.
I visited home about 20 years later because of a death in the family, and met up with an old high school buddy.
He had the same kinda dysfunctional problems he always had, and had inherited growing up in a dysfunctional home, and was still listening to the exact same music (in fact it was the Melancholy Pumpkins album playing at his apartment when I realized it).
This struck me as very odd, because I had reinvented myself a bunch of times, been so many places, and explored so much more of the world and even music specifically, and here was this guy I knew in high school who was literally in the same s*** hole with the same behavior patterns, even the same music, as 20 years prior. Him at 35 was just a steady state continuation of him at 15, and I couldn't fathom that. It was kinda sad. But the saddest part was that he didn't seem to be able to fathom that things could be any other way, nor understand why he might want to, even while telling me about how angry he was from the latest violent altercation with the latest psycho he was hooked up with, and the legal problems plaguing his life.
I saw Maryln Manson in a newer video some years ago, and thought he was way too old to still be doing... what he was doing. I was a teenager in the 90s, and I wouldn't ever want to go back there. I don't understand how people could or would want to stay there, and not just because of my experiences, but also observing others behaviors and circumstances.
I'm glad I got out.
@@ronblack7870 Think about U-2 in 1982, and now in 2023. Get the picture?
I appreciate Corgan because he’s one of the few people who’s famous who will say “ya I’ve changed I have a million dollars in my pocket”
I’m surprised Bill didn’t know about Connie.
(cowbell), guitar riff, "Sweet, sweet Connie, doin' her act. She had the whole show and that's a natural fact!" Dave Attell interviewed Connie for Insomniac back in the day. Great interview, funny, very candid about her wild days.
The irony is that Grand Funk Railroad guitarist Mark Farner is an authentic Christian and lives a clean life. But wow, he had/has the rockstar looks and hair and talent. His interviews are on youtube and worth watching. I remember playing E Pluribus Funk for hours when I was a kid. Still some of the heaviest bass grooves ever.
Don't know much about GFR. Did he clean up later in life or was he always "flying low under the radar"?
I loved the Smashing Pumpkins when they came out. I love them now. Their music has evolved over time, and they still "speak" to me. Just because I'm older now doesn't make me a country music fan. 🤪
2:00 LMAO - could you imagine how horrified Darcy would have been at that. 🤣
Side note Jimmy Chamberlin would 100% be the type of person into that. Also 100% that was Jimmy who said "wtf would you want to do that" -> 2:50
kudos to you for actually knowing the other band members and their personalities.
@@kristopherryanwatsonlol. Well, it's not that hard to crack. Obviously it wouldn't be Darcy, so that leaves two people. I would assume it was Jimmy as well since James finds it painful to speak
Billy “I see where you’re going with that” Corgan.
Maher is a funny guy but he's definitely so lost in so many conversations
Yes it's what makes the show so watchable. He's like a real-life Michael Scott
It's deliberate.
The guy is a political pundit who knows next to nothing about politics. Can't really expect anything terribly intelligent or self reflection.
420 is cool, but the drink doesn't help.
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Met Billy once at the W in Hong Kong when he was doing an interview. SUPER nice guy! Rock star vibe!
Yup, Billy is referring to Connie Hamzy, who passed away a few years ago.
I always find it fascinating, watching the interviewers like Bill Maher. He's on something. It's very subtle, probably long term usage.
Sweet sweet Connie is from Little Rock , Dave Attell did an amazing interview with her probably a decade ago , worth checking out tho 😂
This was hard to watch. Can't listen to this Bill Maher guy but can always listen to Corgan
She had the whole show and that’s a natural fact.
After serial dating for 15 years + clubbing and one-night stands, I've seen loads of girls ranging from complete nutcases, to heavily medicated. The more you do it, the more you realize our species is doomed, yet you are an active participant in it because of biological needs. As long as you are good-looking and have a bad boy behavior, you can pretty much sleep around indefinitely. However, it gets boring eventually. You realize that you've wasted money, time and mental effort on things that weren't really worth it, and you become very good at discerning Housewife material from all those girls you've dated in the past. When you find a nice girl, you try to create your own little perfect world and leave your old habits behind. Now, whatever I pulled is nothing compared to what rock stars pulled.
Perhaps it isn't true, but in my case, I have become a really good husband as a result.
Does it make you appreciate your wife more or do you compare her to past lovers and good times?
@@helloworld8492 I'm grateful there are a few sane people left in the world. I definitely appreciate her more.
It was just s*x, it didn't mean anything, just a biological urge.
@@helloworld8492 I'd imagine the answer is 'D: All the above'
Bill is such a know it all. Drives me crazy
This just made me want a fresh pair of Adidas
Billy sounds like a married man talking one on one with Bill Maher while he is well aware that his wife is watching every moment of the interview.
"We got more boys than girls backstage. I guess that comes with age."
Lemmy Kilmister 😂
When I was about 14 I went to a concert in Detroit and my friend and I didn’t have a ride home and we ended up hanging out with these guys in the parking lot and then went back to their hotel just to party, not knowing they were the guys from the band iron maiden, who were the opening act. They were young like we were only maybe 16 or 17 and we just talked all night. Nothing crazy, fun memory.
I saw a recent interview with Bruce Dickinson who said he never liked the really hardcore groupie scene, because he said it was very obvious that all they really wanted was to add just another Rock Star notch to their belt and to give the guy's d!€k size in online chatrooms. Nice to know they really were/are decent fellows the whole time. Cheers for sharing.
Sounds like a man with morals! Wow! 😊
This was literally painful.
Billy is right. Most fans are going to see you as the song/the "thing". They don't want to really know you, OR they think they already do- through your music. And thus, they will throw themselves at you. They are just an object to you, you are just a good song to them. One of my friends is a really gifted guitarist here in Chicago, stood up in my wedding. He briefly dated this one girl we both knew from college, who literally only wanted to mess around with him or hang all over him at his shows. When they were on regular dates, she could not have been less interested in him, or being close to him. He felt like the only thing she really liked about him was the attention he got at his shows, and that was truly all it ever was.
Honestly, Corgan mostly comes off like a supremely self-involved asshole but he's almost likeable in this interview.
watch other interviews he's done most recently. they are some of the best he's ever done.
@@kristopherryanwatson Maybe. Like I said, he's always come across to me as totally self-involved asshole. But if he's not acting like that any more he might be interesting to listen to now.
Because any self-absorption he may exhibit would be drowned in the wake of Bill Maher’s 😂
He's changed alot. Maybe aging made him stop drinking his own kool aid.
@@thatdudeuhate6649 Very possible. He got very rock-star famous at a relatively young age. And getting older gives you some perspective if you let it.
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Midwest family values
Thats awesome
Heres a video of Bill missing the point of everything said for 5 minutes.
isn’t it nice how Bill Maher brings in different, interesting people to talk to himself to?
I’m just kidding, Bill is alright; frustrating, but alright
I think Bill might have been a little too high to follow this conversation. Billy's forming very cohesive thoughts and being a gentleman about the seedy side of rock 'n roll, and Maher almost seems bewildered that there's good guys out there on stage too. Not every rock star is in Motley Crue, Bill.
EVERY GUEST: Thanks for inviting me on the "Club Random Podcast", Bill!
BILL: Actually, this is my house, well one of my houses, next door to my house. This contains Club Random, where we now sit. We will later post our conversation as the "Club Random Podcast".
EVERY GUEST: thinking... [What an f-ing a-hole! So it's gonna be a fight about everything...]