The emperor has no clothes. The differences are practically negligible. Yes, the Klon has a transparent "creamy" texture, the BD-2 has a distinctive scoop somewhere in the tone stack that makes the strings go "clank", and the TS808 has a distinct emphasis on midrange grit. But nobody in the audience at the gig would ever know the difference. Pick one. Buy the Behringer TO800 actually, because it's literally an exact TS808 circuit in a different box, but it only costs $20. Marketing is powerful stuff people. The marketers have hoodwinked all of you into believing a Klon is worth $5,000. You're overpaying by exactly $4,980.
Good points. Of course, my ear is far less refined than that of many guitarists, but still. 😃 To be fair, I wouldn't say it's "marketing" per se that creates that crazy Klon price, so much as market hype. That is, Bill Finnegan isn't asking those prices, the market is. And yes, the market can get crazy. There is another factor to take into account though, and that's collectability. Collectors are a legit group and rarity goes a long way when it comes to the price of collector's items. 🤷🏻♂️ I have absolutely no ill will toward anyone paying whatever they want, but as for me personally, I'm going to stick with the less expensive "klones." 😃
You are half right, sir. Behringer pedals are great except for their poor bypass circuit. If you only have a couple of then, that's ok, but once you start to stack then into your pedalboard, tone becomes thinner and thinner. I would rather buy Chinese true bypass clones btw.
I will spend money for something that Sounds incredible, and blows-me-away. I think the Klon is the Most Over-Rated pedal I have ever heard. Nothing about it, ever made me go "Wow" . . . I need that !!! I honestly prefer the T.S. ( lower noise floor ) too. I do not like the on/off switch on the T.S. though.
The boss blues driver is by no means "scooped", especially the waza craft version, but the other two pedals have a boost on the mid frequencies at the expense of the low and high frequencies and the tubescreamer is an example in this. I honestly don't understand how tubescreamer and derivatives (klon is a derivative of tubescreamer) have all this success. I hate that hump in the mids and I can't stand my guitar sound being penalized like that.
Fantastic, helpful video. Thanks! And I just want to say, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your ability and willingness to produce these videos in English. Your English is excellent. I wish I had grown up learning other languages as many people around the world did. As we say in Texas, USA, "Appreciate'ya." And yes....SUBBED!
I like the way you explain each video, very very clear; I have never owned any of the three pedals, excellent the Ktr but I find that the TS is the most musical of the three. I've always had the impression that overdrive pedals often give their best set with the level knob over noon.
Thank you Luca, really appreciated!!! You know, we all have different taste, but for sure with the level knob over noon you push more the pre-amp valves...and that was (and still is) one of the main purposes of these pedals... Thank you for your message!
Awesome, thanks for the Info! I just seen a Klon KTR but I'm so happy with my Tumnus Deluxe I didn't buy it. I would like to have a KTR but I like the EQ in the Tumnus Deluxe.
Hi, I had the Klon KTR, for me it was better than both Tumnus, both Archers. Got the cheaper, smaller +bass knob and switch between germanium and silicone - Chelle Ponyboy. Made me sell the KTR.
Bel video, ben fatto. Mi piacerebbe vedere il comportamento degli stessi pedali usati come booster di altri overdrive... Magari in un prossimo video? Grazie
Awesome video! Just started stacking overdrives recently. Would you stack a Tube Screamer Mini TSMINI before a Boss Blues Driver BD-2? My signal chain: Empress Buffer+ Boost -> TS MINI -> BD-2. Will they work well with the Empress Buffer+ Boost?
Hi, I typically use overdrives with amps on the edge of the break up and I don't feel the need to add more gain the only addition that sometimes I do is a booster, like a Xotic RC Booster. But you can for sure stack overdrive pedals, even if I would rather go with a more gain pedal, like a distortion pedal, instead of stacking two overdrives. As regards buffer + boost, yes they work. Actually when I use an always on booster I don't feel the need to use also a buffer. Thank you for your question!
It also depends on what amplifier you use. If you use a fender, maybe the result could be different. Anyway, in my opinion, the boss blues driver is the most authentic sounding pedal. I can't define the centaur clone, but I feel it cuts the low frequencies anyway. The ibanez 808 then, in my opinion is really horrible used on a clan sound.
I enjoy my cheap Caline pegasus klon clone well enough but after playing with a bunch of different Klon type pedals that they are all noisy if you have any of the controls cranked up. It seems less of a problem if you stay below 2:30. It's not really acceptable either way. Of the klon type pedals my broke ass could afford the Caline had the least noise and was actually better than most of the more expensive ones except the Wampler, maybe I got lucky.
People forget that "Tone" is the low-pass filter knob on the guitar - its written right on the thing (!) It never ceases to amuse me :D Even the most famous of the famous will say "tone" when they (technically) mean "timbre" or better yet, "VOICE". "My Tone" is a fetish for a delusional mirage. Your style and identity is in all of your decisions from what you eat to how you love; no more no less.
all of the following sound great with the AC15 for different reasons: -Blues Driver -OD3 -Way Huge Saucy Box -Way Huge Green Rhino cant go wrong with either of them
![Marshall Blues Breaker Or Boss Blues Driver? [Plus Keeley Blues Disorder & Origin Halcyon Blue]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xtTUkbRtDkM/mqdefault.jpg)
The emperor has no clothes. The differences are practically negligible. Yes, the Klon has a transparent "creamy" texture, the BD-2 has a distinctive scoop somewhere in the tone stack that makes the strings go "clank", and the TS808 has a distinct emphasis on midrange grit. But nobody in the audience at the gig would ever know the difference. Pick one. Buy the Behringer TO800 actually, because it's literally an exact TS808 circuit in a different box, but it only costs $20. Marketing is powerful stuff people. The marketers have hoodwinked all of you into believing a Klon is worth $5,000. You're overpaying by exactly $4,980.
Good points. Of course, my ear is far less refined than that of many guitarists, but still. 😃 To be fair, I wouldn't say it's "marketing" per se that creates that crazy Klon price, so much as market hype. That is, Bill Finnegan isn't asking those prices, the market is. And yes, the market can get crazy. There is another factor to take into account though, and that's collectability. Collectors are a legit group and rarity goes a long way when it comes to the price of collector's items. 🤷🏻♂️ I have absolutely no ill will toward anyone paying whatever they want, but as for me personally, I'm going to stick with the less expensive "klones." 😃
You are half right, sir. Behringer pedals are great except for their poor bypass circuit. If you only have a couple of then, that's ok, but once you start to stack then into your pedalboard, tone becomes thinner and thinner. I would rather buy Chinese true bypass clones btw.
I don't think I'd ever buy a behringer with those plastic pedal housings because I don't think it'll be that durable
I will spend money for something that Sounds incredible, and blows-me-away. I think the Klon is the Most Over-Rated pedal I have ever heard. Nothing about it, ever made me go "Wow" . . . I need that !!! I honestly prefer the T.S. ( lower noise floor ) too. I do not like the on/off switch on the T.S. though.
The boss blues driver is by no means "scooped", especially the waza craft version, but the other two pedals have a boost on the mid frequencies at the expense of the low and high frequencies and the tubescreamer is an example in this. I honestly don't understand how tubescreamer and derivatives (klon is a derivative of tubescreamer) have all this success. I hate that hump in the mids and I can't stand my guitar sound being penalized like that.
Fantastic, helpful video. Thanks! And I just want to say, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your ability and willingness to produce these videos in English. Your English is excellent. I wish I had grown up learning other languages as many people around the world did. As we say in Texas, USA, "Appreciate'ya."
And yes....SUBBED!
Thank you so much, I really really appreciate your message!!!
@@LeoGibsonGtr You're very welcome. I meant every word of it. Already watched about ten of your videos tonight! 🤣 Take care!
I like the way you explain each video, very very clear; I have never owned any of the three pedals, excellent the Ktr but I find that the TS is the most musical of the three.
I've always had the impression that overdrive pedals often give their best set with the level knob over noon.
Thank you Luca, really appreciated!!! You know, we all have different taste, but for sure with the level knob over noon you push more the pre-amp valves...and that was (and still is) one of the main purposes of these pedals...
Thank you for your message!
Awesome, thanks for the Info!
I just seen a Klon KTR but I'm so happy with my Tumnus Deluxe I didn't buy it. I would like to have a KTR but I like the EQ in the Tumnus Deluxe.
You are welcome!!! thank you for your message! yes, the tumnus deluxe is nice...
Hi, I had the Klon KTR, for me it was better than both Tumnus, both Archers. Got the cheaper, smaller +bass knob and switch between germanium and silicone - Chelle Ponyboy. Made me sell the KTR.
Bel video, ben fatto. Mi piacerebbe vedere il comportamento degli stessi pedali usati come booster di altri overdrive... Magari in un prossimo video? Grazie
Hi, pretty interesting topic! Thank you for the suggestion!!
Awesome video! Just started stacking overdrives recently. Would you stack a Tube Screamer Mini TSMINI before a Boss Blues Driver BD-2? My signal chain: Empress Buffer+ Boost -> TS MINI -> BD-2. Will they work well with the Empress Buffer+ Boost?
Hi, I typically use overdrives with amps on the edge of the break up and I don't feel the need to add more gain the only addition that sometimes I do is a booster, like a Xotic RC Booster. But you can for sure stack overdrive pedals, even if I would rather go with a more gain pedal, like a distortion pedal, instead of stacking two overdrives. As regards buffer + boost, yes they work. Actually when I use an always on booster I don't feel the need to use also a buffer.
Thank you for your question!
@@LeoGibsonGtr Thanks for the really interesting insights. I will look to consider what you suggested. Keep up the vids and keep them coming!
@@shashankraman2512 You are welcome!!!
Excellent review! Thank you!
you are welcome and I happy you like the video!!!
It also depends on what amplifier you use. If you use a fender, maybe the result could be different. Anyway, in my opinion, the boss blues driver is the most authentic sounding pedal. I can't define the centaur clone, but I feel it cuts the low frequencies anyway. The ibanez 808 then, in my opinion is really horrible used on a clan sound.
Hi Silvio, thank you for sharing your opinion! And you are right...for sure the amp you use is gonna impact the tone of these pedals.
@@LeoGibsonGtr Thanks
excellent excellent video, thanks!
Thank you, your compliments are really important for me!
oh my god..... the guitar skills..... who cares the differences of the pedals....
Thank you, I'm super happy you like the guitar playing!!!
Great playing and video 👍
Thank you Rob, really appreciated!
Leo Gibson would you prefer the KTR to the ts 808 hw too ? I was thinking of getting one until I saw this and I’m a big fan of Jeff Beck too
Excelente comparación. El BD-2 siempre me da ganas de tomar una gaseosa.
😊😊👍🏻 ... and thank you Martin, I'm happy that you like the video!!!
So what you are saying is. Blend the gain on your amp with your overdrive pedal?
Hi, something similar...an amp on the edge of the break up reacts pretty well to overdrive pedals...
Thank you!
Klon ktr forma me! Thank you leo! 😎😎😎
You are welcome!!! Thank you for sharing you opinion!
Thankss for the knowledge leo, beautiful accent too!
Thank you, I'm happy that you appreciated the video...and the accent!!!
gracias!!!
You are welcome!
TS808 the clear winner. I was surprised by the noise of the blues driver and the over coloring/lack of transparency of the KTR.
I enjoy my cheap Caline pegasus klon clone well enough but after playing with a bunch of different Klon type pedals that they are all noisy if you have any of the controls cranked up. It seems less of a problem if you stay below 2:30. It's not really acceptable either way. Of the klon type pedals my broke ass could afford the Caline had the least noise and was actually better than most of the more expensive ones except the Wampler, maybe I got lucky.
Replying to both of those comments: my noise problems were resolved when I started using voodoo labs mondo power supply.
Giusto un pelino di accento 🤣🤣🤣 bravo per l'impegno!
😀...eh si... accento degli Stati Uniti del Sud...😀
Grazie del messaggio!
You chose well
Thank you!
great video
Thank you Carlos! really appreciated!
The TS has that creamy grit... yummy. Many thanks Leo.
Yes! Thank you Emmanuel!
People forget that "Tone" is the low-pass filter knob on the guitar - its written right on the thing (!)
It never ceases to amuse me :D
Even the most famous of the famous will say "tone" when they (technically) mean "timbre" or better yet, "VOICE".
"My Tone" is a fetish for a delusional mirage. Your style and identity is in all of your decisions from what you eat to how you love; no more no less.
Hi, thank you for sharing!
Conclusion... Amp and speaker matter more!
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion!
more mass = more matter
so....yeah
I like your twin brother~
😊
anybody!!!! what is a good pedal to push an ac 15 BESIDES a rat i did not like at all awful
Hi, I would suggest The Duellist, that you can check out following this link: th-cam.com/video/gNQgtVagwEg/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for your question!
all of the following sound great with the AC15 for different reasons:
-Blues Driver
-OD3
-Way Huge Saucy Box
-Way Huge Green Rhino
cant go wrong with either of them
That english is more elegant than american.
Thank you, really appreciated!
As a high gain boost, there is very little difference, sorry to the cork sniffers.
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion!
Sei italiano !
You should start collaborating with a better guitar player. Absolutely no chemistry between you two. You deserve better. Just saying...
😊...
Ok Borat.
:)
Your italian needs some improvement.
Hi, I will work about it, thank you for your feedback
All sound pretty much the same to me. Boutique pedals are a waste of money
Thank you for sharing!