Just another tip: I have that exact pocket holster for my LCP Max. It's good in some pockets but *VERY DANGEROUS* in others. I had it in the pocket of my windbreaker this spring, and when I got home I reached in to remove the gun and holster...only to find the gun had migrated out of the holster and was sitting upside-down and unholstered in that pocket! Moral: you may need different pocket holsters for different carry positions, and you should always test with an empty gun before trusting any pocket holster in a different pocket than usual.
Excellent observation, Doug. I’ve had similar things occur with any number of pocket holsters. It shows it pays to experiment and pay attention! Roy H.
Cloth pocket holster are not safe, trigger can be press even inside the holster. I carry my Lcp max empty chamber in that same holster for a couple days before my vedder kydex pocket holster arrive.
I have the exact same set up but have noticed that that type of holster can telegraph through the pants revealing a gun like image. That I don't like at all.
I sweep it clear from the top - 2 reasons. 1. When sweeping from the bottom the holster can cant/twist in such a way that the holster sticks to the gun. 2. Using the support hand to reach for the top/slide area is more natural to those that shoot semi-autos. Simply brushing the holster forward - the shooter will not muzzle his/herself. This method is most effective if performed during the vertical/upward portion of the draw with the support/sweeping hand moving downward in the opposite direction. To draw in an arcing motion isn't taught by seasoned firearm instructors. The up and press forward (pectoral index point) is considered, by todays standards, the best draw technique. This is an important topic that many do not consider - so thanks for taking the time to post a video!
Good video. As one old Cop to another, please keep them coming. Yep I use pocket carry and knew about holsters sticking. PITA but it still works for me.
I know what you mean. They're "sorta" handy but as long as you learn to work with them, they help you not violate rule one of a gunfight .... having a gun! Roy H.
@@fmgpubs Another old cop here (retired since ‘97) and I practice by rocking the tail portion of the holster against the pocket so only the gun comes out. I usually carry a J Frame so that may make the difference.
After I reviewed your video... I trained myself to draw with a holster; it takes a fraction of a second. Works every time with 100% fail-proof. Thank you.
Well done Tony. I agree, hardly takes a fraction of a second. Most take much longer fussing with the gun to keep the holster in their pocket. Better to just yank it out and toss off the rig! Roy
Another reason revolvers are better suited, a semi offers no friction points for draw from.a pocket, a cylinder does. I carry a 442 in a DeSantis pocket holster often, never one time has the holster come out of the pocket when drawn.
I have the same pistol and holster combination. Some of my pants require four fresh, heavy rubber bands to be wrapped tightly around the holster to create enough friction to keep it in my pocket. I plan on putting a couple bands of aquarium silicon rubber around the holster in the future since the rubber bands will quickly age and break. Aquarium silicon doesn't have the mold killing chemicals that ordinary silicon caulk does so is less likely to trigger an allergic reaction to my skin.
Hadn't even thought of what you presented today, but everything you said and demonstrated makes perfect sense. Now I need a pistol, and something with more pockets than I currently wear. Practicing makes all the difference with any repeated motion: once the feel of it is part of "you", it becomes automatic. Thanks for posting this!
Hi! What a great short video on a very important but not frequently addressed matter ! It surprised me and made me aware of this important sequence which will make the difference in the outcome of a life or death situation ! You have my respect and admiration, Sir ! Thank you ! Subscribed to your channel !
Good video! I pocket carry my LCP MAX in a Sticky #2 holster in my right front pocket for about 2 years. The Sticky always comes off when I grab only the gun and not the holster…I have an LCP2 with a Armalaser sight and a Desantis pocket holster… The pin on the slide catches the seam and the holster sticks to the gun most of time…But I practice your method to remove it upon leaving my pocket… The Sticky #2 is my holster of choice for pocket carry as it gets more broke in the better it comes off the pistol 😎👍
Good information, I have the same problem with my holsters. I’ve bought almost every brand to try and defeat the “clingon factor “ but yours is a better way. I better get to training! Thanks for the tips on keeping ones hand from being in front of the muzzle.
I think, Thomas, if you just make it a habit that takes care of worrying. Plus, I've found if you have a clip-on knife in the same pocket that can interfere with the draw. So practice how you actually carry. Thanks for chatting! Roy H.
I also pocket carry an LCP max with a 12 round mag, I carry it in a Sticky holster made for a Glock 42, I placed a small rag inside it brings the LCP to the perfect height and still covers the trigger guard. It was an experiment that actually worked for me the LCP is loose fitting so the holster always stays in the pocket plus I placed some Velcro on the holster for extra friction.
What great and helpful video. I am in the market for a pocket gun and was considering the Seecamp (for size and coolness) , but the LCP Max kept coming up as highly recommended. What i liked MOST about your video is showing the Max IN the holster IN your pocket. It practically disappears when you put it in your pocket! Until that moment, I couldnt visualize the practical size of the Max. Other videos and pictures didnt let me see it as clearly as you presented. Thanks again, for helping out a new member of the community, like me.
My pleasure. They are cheap enough that having two is easy, plus it’s handy. One stays in your pocket all the time (ALL the time!) and the other can be kept in a truck console, bedside table, next to where you watch TV, etc. And if one breaks you have an instant backup. Good luck! Roy@@slchance8839
You should look at a Vedder pocket holster. It is available with a thumb tab. If the gun comes out with the holster you just use your strong hand thumb to flick it off. You can't muzzle your support hand. Remember you might not have both hands free when you need that pocket gun.
I just saw the video and having myself recently bought an lcp max and had the same problem of it not coming out of holster when drawn. Then someone taught me as I am drawing to pull it out and toward the back of my pocket so the protruding piece on the lcp holster (most all brands have it)catches on the rear of my pocket, and it’s worked perfectly every time I have drawn it since using that method.
Some may not use a pocket holster and should. One of our Patients went outside to look for a prowler. Yep, that was one decision that deserves discussion. But his hand was gripping his mouse gun while in the pocket. Finding no prowler he started to pull his hand (on the gun) from his pocket. He fired a round into his thigh. Hopping around in pain and hand on the gun.....round two to the thigh. Nice video sir.
Great information I Cary a SW bodyguard with a DeSantis 15 holster. When i downward draw I use my thumb to push the top of the holster off during my up draw. Its muscle memory now and my holster always stays in my pocket.
Good stuff as always Roy!! Been following your advice for more years than I care to remember!! IMHO you and Mr Ron Spomer are class acts. Thanks for all you do for the 2A community.
That's why I make almost all of the holsters that I use for my EDC pistols. My pocket holster (Kimber K6xs) is leather, rough side out, with some grip tape added for friction with pocket. I also include a '"hook" on the grip side, lower, so only the pistol is drawn. I believe it's important that the holster allows me to properly grip the pistol, in the pocket, when initiating the draw. Grip choice (material & length) on a revolver is very important to allow proper grip and limit printing.
Nope- not even when wearing cotton gym shorts- spent a lot of time designing & refining this holster so that it operates flawlessly. But watching how you draw your pistol with your fingers on the holster, I understand why you'd better have a plan B.
I hear you. I've tried fast work, even with grippy/hooked, etc. holsters and regardless of what I do (even a good grip not touching the holster) now and again the holster stays on our at least comes out partway. After 25 years of being a street cop I don't like to take chances! Good chatting David. Roy@@davidbarnes7711
What a great suggestion! Concern about whether the holster will stay put in my pocket has been THE reason I haven't tried one yet. Time to see if a pocket holster will work for me.
Tad, with the right holster that’s comfy in your own pocket, I think you’ll soon grow to really like it. I like the fact it’s effortless and allows you to always have at least a small gun at-hand, even at home, in the garage, shop or taking the trash out. Really puts your mind at ease in these insane times we seem to be experiencing. Roy
Very helpful. I have a leather pocket holster I bought for my Springfield Hellcat, which has a plastic hook that’s supposed to de-holster the firearm as you draw, but it never works, and TBH, the leather is so stiff it takes about 15 pounds strength to pull the firearm free of the holster. I figure the leather would take time to wear in, making the de-holstering easier, but because the holster always came out of my pocket, I didn’t even give it a chance - I went back to my trusty kydex IWB holster and threw the pocket holster in my box of neglected gun accessories. I think I’ll pull it out and let it sit in the leather for a while to loosen the leather and give the holster another try. Might give me another option.
I just saw this, but it is a good one. I carried a P 64 in a home made leather pocket holster, for a time. That is one rather large gun, but in a fat guy's front jeans pocket, it worked. The gun was basically a copy of the PPK, only in 9mm Makarov. I have a small gun right now for pocket carry, but might pick one up come spring.
The only pocket holster I’ve found that never comes out of the pocket, not even partially is the Galco leather holster. It’s a little larger so it grabs on both sides of the pocket. Only down side is it’s a little too big for some pockets. So my J frame sits a little high exposing the tip of the handle in some shorts. But it’s perfect for jeans.
Two "food-for-thought" instances I experienced: Drawing a Kel-Tec PF9 from a cheap nylon pocket holster on a charging pit bull; the holster came up with the gun. Fortunately, I noticed it right away and brushed off the holster as you do, albeit a couple of nanoseconds later. I didn't have to fire as the owner was able to distract the dog and regain control of it. Second instance: Was carrying a Taurus TCP in a similar holster. Unlike the Ruger LCP (and the Kel-Tec pistol it was inspired by), the TCP has a takedown pin whose head is not recessed in the frame. A loose thread on the holster got behind the pin head. I noticed it that night when I could not separate the gun from the holster. Now, my holsters for the PF9 and the smaller ones (TCP, LCP-MAX, and Kel-Tec P32) are DeSantis Superfly models, though I remove the concealment flaps. I have never had any issues since upgrading. Thanks for sharing.
I have an uncle mikes pocket holster for my S&W bodyguard and the holster always stays in my pocket. I think it depends on the style of pants and the size of the pocket though.
Great video and timely. I just started carrying it in my pocket. I got the safest gun for this type of draw. The Beretta Tomcat 32 ACP. It has a safety selector and a double-action trigger. There is no way the pistol can discharge without taking the safety off, and the first shot will be a long, hard trigger press. I'm experimenting with different holsters. I just got the smallest Sticky holster, but it does not stick to the inside of my pocket. With this sticky holster, I have to pull the pistol out and apply backward pressure, so the holster catches on my pocket. Different shorts/pants have different-sized pockets, so I always practice drawing. I ordered a Kydex pocket holster with curved hooks on each end to keep it from coming out. It should work better, but it is more extensive and probably will not fit some pockets. I could go back to carrying my P365X, but I always worry about printing, and I drive a lot, and the Sig gets uncomfortable. I sometimes use a fanny pack to carry. I can draw quickly, but slower than a pocket or 4 o'clock IWB carry. Thanks for bringing this subject to light. I'm always looking for better ways to carry concealed.
Kruzen, I’ve never had a pocket holster that stayed in the pocket 100 percent of the time during a draw. Better to worry about getting the gun into the fight, than fussing with rocking or twisting it to try to keep the holster in your pocket. Also, try a cross-draw holster when you drive. They are handy, and also very comfy for daily carry. A lightweight shoulder holster might work for you too. Roy
Bought the Vedder pocket locker for pocket carry. Purchased the additional thumb release to make sure holster is removed on draw. It will stay in my pocket. Really only using it when dress or a tuckable shirt is required.
I like your style sir…low key common sense…I’m 71…I’m a life long firearms guy (hunting/shooting sports) but not Rambo…I do practice my concealed carry handgun techniques but prolly less than I should. I use a S&W BGd
Kydex only for me. I have a couple of Clinger pocket holsters that are really nice and comfy, but I can see situations where the trigger could potentially by compromised, no matter how unlikely. I want to be as close to 100% safe as I possibly can, so I deal with a hard shell only.
Lord knows, I understand. I make it a point nothing goes into that pocket but the gun just for that reason. I can never get comfy with kydex though, but that’s just me. Roy
A hammer fired gun with a DAO trigger doesn't necessarily need a pocket holster unless you're concerned with printing now a striker fired pistol yes I'd recommend a pocket holster that covers the trigger.
I find having a DA gun (J-Frame, or DA auto) in a holster also makes it more comfortable and holds it in the same position. I've had small autos invert themselves in a pocket if they weren't in a holster. It's really confusing when you reach in and get a handful of barrel or slide rather than the grip! Roy H.
Thank you for a really great informative mini-lesson on drawing technique from the pocket! Because of my diverticulosis, I am having to transition away from belts, and hence belt holsters, to Shoulder Rigs and Pocket Carry. I'm severely limited financially and the Lord blessed me greatly in finding a really good condition used Galco Shoulder Rig with Double Mag Counter Balance Holders for $20 at a Gun Show, for the Taurus G3C I was able to finally buy a few months ago ($263). I am wearing Bibs most of the time these days, with a vest, and this is how I plan to carry with the Shoulder Rig from late Fall through Late Spring/Early Summer. However all the vests I have are made of heavier materials, for warmth and comfort, as well as NO Patterning while carrying, and this is a problem with 80F temps and up. Looking for a temporary solution (until I can afford to buy a lighter material vest that fits me and my carry needs), the Lord blessed me yet again, at yet another Gun Show, and I was able to pick up a used leather Pocket Holster in really good condition. The name of the manufacturer isn't legible anymore, as it is marked on one of the lower 'lips' of the bottom of the holster, but it looks like 'Don........', and I picked it up for a whopping $5! Fits the Taurus G3C wonderfully, fully covering the trigger, and fits the pockets of my Bibs just right! The two extra mags I have fit quite nicely in the right Chest Pocket of my Bibs, and without any holders necessary, so my Bibs have become, I would argue, part of my 'Quality Carry Ensemble' for EDC! My next task is to find a reasonably priced high quality set of Suspenders for all my pants, so that I can still wear pants when I want to 'dress up' a bit from the Bibs.......though I'm beginning to wonder if anyone makes 'Dress Bibs' for those 'special occasions'.........no foolin'; I'm a crippled up old Curmudgeon and Geezer, so I'm just 'bold' enough to wear such critters if they existed! Once again, thank you so much for a great video, and I hope you won't mind me recommending a tool I've been looking at for a LONG TIME for a 'truck gun/home defense', the Hi-Point 995 series Carbine in 9mm; the new model has a 'threaded barrel' in 1/2 x 28, which would allow the use of a muzzlebrake, lowering the already mild recoil of the 9mm round out of a 16" barrel (I'm sensitive to recoil, in that I have 3 herniations in my lumbar and 3 compressions in my neck). The stock is polymer based, so the $350-$400 Carbine is light to carry around (I've been fondling them at Gun Shows...drooling and putting away my pennies and nickels for one), using an over the shoulder/chest hung 2 point sling, EASY 'Whip Around' to the shoulder 'ready to shoot' for those Chicken Murderers of all sorts! Take care and I hope you're able to 'put paid' to Reddy Fox! Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central WY
JR, you might find these vids handy. One on that Hi-Point and one on how to safely draw from a shoulder holster. th-cam.com/video/pWXw1XIw7-0/w-d-xo.html And. th-cam.com/video/eTeiQySbmhI/w-d-xo.html Roy H.
Amen, sweeping the holster off should be practiced. Even if a good pocket holster rarely comes out with the gun. But I sweep it off the top, keeping my support hand above everything, similar to sweeping off a stovepipe jam. Like racking the slide, but forwards. My malfunction drills, and reloading drills, are the same, with the support hand over the slide. Only mag changes happen under the gun. One solution fixes many problems. Try it.
I have Blue Force gear pocket holsters for my s&w 340pd and ruger lcp. They are the thinnest, lightest and absolutely best pocket holsters I’ve owned . Not a problem drawing out of pocket like those type of holsters . Why buy a light gun and put it in a bulky holster in your pocket that sometimes comes out with the gun ?
Great advise!!! I have LCP II and used provided by Ruger pocket holster. But now, I installed a lazer on it and Ruger holster does not fit anymore. Any recommendations for a pocket holster for LCP II with a lazer?
Thanks for your comment, Oleg. I “googled” and searched for “pocket holster for Ruger LCPII with Laser” and turned up lots of options. You will likely see one you like. Roy H.
I like the idea of a pocket holster, but when I'm in uniform, my portable case and my ASP baton holder prevent access. I have a good ankle holster and have been carrying my back-up that way for years.
Agreed Joe. When I was on duty, my pocket carry was a last-ditch NAA .22 revolver (just in case). But my main back-up was a J-Frame in an ankle rig. If you don’t use one, take a look at The Wilderness Tactical Renegade. It’s a game changer and is the only one I’ve used for 35 years now. Roy
Hi Kyle. I’ve tried them and at least for me, I find the delay in operating the thumb nub (and the fact they don’t always seem to release the gun well) caused me to go the soft route. This way you just grab the gun and pull it out with no delays. But with the right “nub” holster I’m sure it can work with a bit of practice. Roy
Nice 10th anniversary LCP brother. I had one, sent it in to Ruger for servicing and they lost it! They did send me a brand new LCP max and 2x 12rd mags to make up for their foo-pah.
Rats .... but the LCP MAX is a good score. I sure like mine. I load it with Black Hills Honey Badger .380 ammo. Very effective. Now .. if I could just see how it works on that fox! Roy H.
A good video, that challenges one to be more self aware. I must confess I don't practice "wiping the holster off" (as you put it). Mostly this is because in my experience it isn't an issue. I practice daily with my pocket carry rig, and I can count on one hand the number of times the firearm came out still in the holster. (BTW, my rig is my Taurus GX4 micro9 in my DeSantis Nemesis (#N39BJE1Z0) pocket holster in the pocket of my Coleman's canvass utility pants.) But even though it rarely happens, it *has* happened. The pistol has cleared my pocket and still been inside the holster. I shouldn't take that lightly. In my draw I do present my pistol with a two-handed hold, so bringing my support hand up in place to be ready to wipe the holster should it occur is an easy step to add to my training. Thanks for the admonition.
Well down. I carry same gun as you with Sticky holster. You look about same age as me. Can I ask why you wear the suspenders? Are they to help hold pants up? I’m not familiar with them.
On the suspenders, part of it is the fact they really help to keep your pants up and comfy if you’re carrying a gun on your hip or pocket. Also, as my wife says, “The ass bandit” has struck me as I age and my pants just won’t stay up unless I crank down my belt, which hurts my back. Getting old ain’t for sissies, eh?! Try some suspenders (I like the clip on kind) and you’ll soon be amazed at how comfy things are. Roy
Carried Sticky holsters for years. The firearm will draw from the pocket absolutely clean every time. When you get a Sticky holster new immediately insert your firearm and either pocket or IWB for around a hour. This breaks the holster in. After that you're good to go every time...
Thanks Lawrence. I’ve had good luck with their products, but even with the best, now and again the holsters comes out with the gun, at least in my experience. Roy H.
I have had a variety of pocket holsters for small carry guns. At my age and owing to my body shape I am tending to wear sweatpants more than jeans because they are easier to get on and off, more comfortable and they tend to stay put without suspenders. The pockets on sweatpants are small and create a crowding problem and a drawing problem. Lately I have just carried an LCP or S&W 638 without a holster. They stay oriented very well without one. It works for me. But seeing those large pocket pants of yours tells me I need shop for some and cave in to old-guy suspenders. That way I could keep my handgun 100% oriented, eliminate printing and even carry something bigger and better with an IWB holster. Yup, I am breaking out the suspenders my kids gave me a decade ago and going "operator". Thanks for the video.
A better way to draw leaving the pocket holster in the pocket, is to reach in to draw, as your pulling the weapon out, pull back (backwards/rearwards) at the same time so the round nose of the pocket holster catches the back top opening corner of the pocket where the pocket begins. Works every time! But you gotta practice practice practice drawing. You’ll see how the pocket holster stays within your pocket every time as you draw. Try it.
Please, no background music. Retired SWAT cop and ANY background noise makes it hard to hear you. Love your videos. Was a cop from 74 to 94 and was in LE training for decades. Thanks.
Ha! I know what you mean. I'm chatting with our producer/editor about that as we speak. Thanks for bringing it up to us. We're just trying to make the vids be as fun and easy to watch as possible. We'll keep honing. Looks like we were cops around the same time period. Glad I'm out and I'm betting you are too! I spent my last couple of years on the PD also at the academy in the training unit. Roy H.
I don’t recommend that way personally. I push off with my middle finger on the holster tongue as I grip the gun in my pocket before the draw. That breaks the retention and gun comes clean out of pocket every time. Either way works but I find my way easier and faster.
I specifically only use DeSantis Nemesis in DeSantis Superfly ( With velcroed on flap to prevent printing ) .. I have practice drawing with my Kel-Tec p-32 .gen1 .. my Taurus TCP 380.. in my Smith 342 air light ti 11oz .38sp centennial... I have never had the DeSantis Nemesis or Superfly come out of the pocket with the gun! . In fact I find I can draw much faster from my pocket and from a iwb... I can draw even faster if I have my hand in the pocket on the grip..btw smith 342 centennial.. has full size rubber hogue monogrips.. installed and I have never had a problem with the holster coming out with the gun..
I like the idea of these but I don’t think it’s ok if it doesn’t cover the trigger guard. The string on a wind breaker for example getting in there and pulling the trigger when you take it off. Yikes.
Yup, and I think we all have heard of this sort of thing. I had a reader who carried a Kel-tec P32 in his pocket, unholstered. He also had a small Swiss Army knife in the same pocket. The knife got into the trigger guard and sure enough, he bent down and the gun fired. But luckily, the bullet missed his leg and hit the ground harmlessly. But he became a convert to pocket holsters! Roy
William, I have a bad back so hip carry is literally a pain, so the LCP Max goes in the pocket to “always be there.” I also keep long guns handy in the E-Z-go, etc. Roy H.
I’ve devised a better method. Stick a kydex holster that fits your gun inside an Uncle Mike’s or Sticky holster. Adjust the retention until it comes out cleanly. Gun cones out cleanly every time.
Get a "Mika's Pocket Holster". Mika's holsters "stay in a pocket" and draw better, than ANY pocket holster I have ever had. I am a retired L.E.O., a former Firearms Dealer and a very long time Firearms Instructor. I am not sponsored and I have not received any free items from any manufacturer. I personally don't believer anyone makes a better Pocket Holster than "Mika's Pocket Holsters".
The only useful pocket holster is maybe the hooked one. The rest are just useless sleeves that require an extra motion just like racking the slide..... which makes your gun useless if they grab either of your arm
Pocket holsters are certainly compromises, even in the best situation. I’ve found even the hooked ones something either interfere with the draw or come out along with the gun at times too. Roy
I've been using a Blackhawk Techgrip the last couple of months. I've tried and tried and I can't make it come out with the gun. A simply great pocket hoster
Yeah, there are lots of ideas similar to that, and even some designs offering a built-in clip for the pocket. But I’ve found none are 100 percent sure so it’s good to practice for the failure moment. Roy
I think this is actually bad advice on how you should train. In a scenario of being physically attacked, you're going to instinctively be trying to fend off the attacker with your free arm while you draw your weapon. The last thing you want, is to be fumbling around now trying to get the holster off. There are numerous pocket holsters that can make this one handed motion much easier. Never train in a manner that requires 2 hands to deploy your weapon. The Vedder pocket locker holster is a great option. Stay away from soft holsters.
Could happen indeed. It’s why we train for various scenarios. During my police career I didn’t ever need to “fend off” a bad guy while drawing my gun, but I certainly drew my gun many, many times. But that doesn’t mean it can’t happen. I wrote the Handgun Leather column for American Handgunner for six years before I became the editor. During those times I tested countless “secure” pocket holsters. None of them ever stayed in your pocket 100 percent of the time when you drew a pocket gun. Something to keep in mind, if attacked, it’s always best to try to withdraw. Distance gives you time. Roy
This is a problem of poor holster design or construction. Good pocket holsters should not remain on the gun, when paired with good draw technique. The holsters shown in this video are all very cheap options. If that's all you can afford, then I cannot fault you for purchasing within your means. Practicing with what you have is the route you should go for. However, good pocket holsters can be had for around forty dollars, so if you can afford that, it's more ideal to have a better holster that will stay in your pocket. Some examples of high quality pocket holsters are the Mika Pocket Holster, the A Holsters Backbone, and the Simply Rugged Holsters DB Force Options holster. Yes, these all cost more than a Blackhawk or other cheap holster, but they cost more because they have better design features that allow for the holster to remain in the pocket upon the draw. If it takes two hands to draw your gun, then you cannot use your gun if you only have one hand available in your moment of need. Simply accepting that the holster stays on your gun is not advisable. Lastly, having to remove the holster with your support hand is going to slow down your potential draw to first shot time significantly. Pocket carry has the fastest potential draw to first shot speed of any concealed carry method. Having a bad holster eliminates this advantage of this carry method. I don't want my comment to sound hostile - I just really disagree with what's being advocated for here.
Well, I wrote the Handgun leather colum for American Handgunner for years, and was the editor/publisher for about 20 years, and exactly none of the pocket holsters I tested would remain in your pocket 100 percent of the time. And if you had to fuss with them by holding them with your thumb or trying to hook then on your pocket, it slowed you down. It’s why I developed this method. Get the gun out if the holster stays, good, of it doesn’t, wipe it off. It doesn’t slow you down enough to matter. If you’ve had other experiences, I’m sure we’ll all like to see the videos and articles you’re done on the topic. Thanks for posting! It’s always good to hear ideas. Roy H.
I have 2 Mika holsters for 2 different carry guns and I have never had the holster come out of my pocket with my gun. I would highly advise anyone who practices pocket carry to look into Mika holsters.
Great videos but please allow me this one criticism: The music is big-time distracting and casually minimizes the importance of your teaching points. You want to prevent casualties and the music definitely detracts. Your speaking voice and personna however is spot-on, you need absolutely nothing else to be added.
That’s the rub, the “right” holster seems to be different for everyone. In all my years of experimenting (I also wrote the Handgunleather column in American Handgunner for years) I never found a single pocket holster that stayed in a pocket during the draw 100 percent of the time. Some allow you to sort of “push” the holster off with a thumb, or catch the corner of a pocket, etc. But the “push off” versions are slower and the various sticky ones or hooked ones do sometimes come out too, or are much slower. There was one that actually clipped inside a pocket and that worked to a good degree. I’ve just found, over the past 40-odd years of carrying in the pocket, the safest thing is to assume it will come out with the gun and practice that way. It’s fast and sure, as opposed to hoping the draw works. At least in my experience. Roy
My thumb tab on my vedder pocket locker works great I don’t see it slower at all. Just like a manual safety if you practice it won’t slow you down. Works with all my pant pockets and I wear all kinds of pants.
I practice my draw with snap rounds. That way I can practice drawing it cocked and loaded. I also have a LCP and there is no external safety or de-cocking lever. If I err and the hammer drops there is no bullet fired. So I am practicing as close to real life you can get without a loaded and ready to fire weapon.
All work and no play makes you old faster! Get the info and some music too! The funny thing is we get comments about how people enjoy our new more modest sounds. Thanks for taking the time to drop us a note! Roy H.
Can we stop with the 'film school' 2 camera thing where you film from the side while he's talking to the other camera? so annoying and the only reason you do it is to show you're up the film school cool. great content, but just let the content speak for itself, instead of trying to show how cool the camera guy is.
Hi Mike. We’re always trying to stay ahead of the youtube penchant for ghosting gun vids. Changing out camera work, lots of comments, etc. can sometimes help. Plus, the “straight at the camera talking head” can get old according to some viewers. We’ll keep at it though! Roy H.
Just another tip: I have that exact pocket holster for my LCP Max. It's good in some pockets but *VERY DANGEROUS* in others. I had it in the pocket of my windbreaker this spring, and when I got home I reached in to remove the gun and holster...only to find the gun had migrated out of the holster and was sitting upside-down and unholstered in that pocket! Moral: you may need different pocket holsters for different carry positions, and you should always test with an empty gun before trusting any pocket holster in a different pocket than usual.
Excellent observation, Doug. I’ve had similar things occur with any number of pocket holsters. It shows it pays to experiment and pay attention! Roy H.
Indeed. If the gun is loose in the pocket they do tend to wander around! Roy
Cloth pocket holster are not safe, trigger can be press even inside the holster. I carry my Lcp max empty chamber in that same holster for a couple days before my vedder kydex pocket holster arrive.
I love the vedder pocket lockers. I have 2 of them.@@skyblue1122
I have the exact same set up but have noticed that that type of holster can telegraph through the pants revealing a gun like image. That I don't like at all.
This is the reason I am subscribed to this channel. These gems are invaluable.
I sweep it clear from the top - 2 reasons. 1. When sweeping from the bottom the holster can cant/twist in such a way that the holster sticks to the gun. 2. Using the support hand to reach for the top/slide area is more natural to those that shoot semi-autos. Simply brushing the holster forward - the shooter will not muzzle his/herself. This method is most effective if performed during the vertical/upward portion of the draw with the support/sweeping hand moving downward in the opposite direction.
To draw in an arcing motion isn't taught by seasoned firearm instructors. The up and press forward (pectoral index point) is considered, by todays standards, the best draw technique.
This is an important topic that many do not consider - so thanks for taking the time to post a video!
All great observations by you. At least things like this get people thinking. Roy
Good video. As one old Cop to another, please keep them coming. Yep I use pocket carry and knew about holsters sticking. PITA but it still works for me.
I know what you mean. They're "sorta" handy but as long as you learn to work with them, they help you not violate rule one of a gunfight .... having a gun! Roy H.
@@fmgpubs Another old cop here (retired since ‘97) and I practice by rocking the tail portion of the holster against the pocket so only the gun comes out. I usually carry a J Frame so that may make the difference.
After I reviewed your video... I trained myself to draw with a holster; it takes a fraction of a second. Works every time with 100% fail-proof. Thank you.
Well done Tony. I agree, hardly takes a fraction of a second. Most take much longer fussing with the gun to keep the holster in their pocket. Better to just yank it out and toss off the rig! Roy
Another reason revolvers are better suited, a semi offers no friction points for draw from.a pocket, a cylinder does. I carry a 442 in a DeSantis pocket holster often, never one time has the holster come out of the pocket when drawn.
Thanks fot the good advice.
Hey Roy. I’ve been enjoying the videos I’ve watched so far. Keep up the good work. I’ll keep watching
Thanks Hardline. We’ll kee ‘em coming. Roy
Thank you. This is helpful training to include.
I have the same pistol and holster combination. Some of my pants require four fresh, heavy rubber bands to be wrapped tightly around the holster to create enough friction to keep it in my pocket. I plan on putting a couple bands of aquarium silicon rubber around the holster in the future since the rubber bands will quickly age and break. Aquarium silicon doesn't have the mold killing chemicals that ordinary silicon caulk does so is less likely to trigger an allergic reaction to my skin.
I’ve just never found any method to keep a pocket holster in the pocket 100 percent though. Some come close … Roy
@@fmgpubs My method may not be perfect but it is better.
Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.
Hadn't even thought of what you presented today, but everything you said and demonstrated makes perfect sense. Now I need a pistol, and something with more pockets than I currently wear. Practicing makes all the difference with any repeated motion: once the feel of it is part of "you", it becomes automatic. Thanks for posting this!
Thanks Mike. Just be careful as you get your learning curve up to speed! Roy H.
Hi! What a great short video on a very important but not frequently addressed matter ! It surprised me and made me aware of this important sequence which will make the difference in the outcome of a life or death situation ! You have my respect and admiration, Sir ! Thank you ! Subscribed to your channel !
Thanks Jose, I appreciate your kind words. Practice a bit, but make sure the gun is safe before you do it! Roy
Good video! I pocket carry my LCP MAX in a Sticky #2 holster in my right front pocket for about 2 years. The Sticky always comes off when I grab only the gun and not the holster…I have an LCP2 with a Armalaser sight and a Desantis pocket holster… The pin on the slide catches the seam and the holster sticks to the gun most of time…But I practice your method to remove it upon leaving my pocket… The Sticky #2 is my holster of choice for pocket carry as it gets more broke in the better it comes off the pistol 😎👍
I agree it’s always good to do the back-up move … just in case. Roy
Good information, I have the same problem with my holsters. I’ve bought almost every brand to try and defeat the “clingon factor “ but yours is a better way. I better get to training! Thanks for the tips on keeping ones hand from being in front of the muzzle.
I think, Thomas, if you just make it a habit that takes care of worrying. Plus, I've found if you have a clip-on knife in the same pocket that can interfere with the draw. So practice how you actually carry. Thanks for chatting! Roy H.
I also pocket carry an LCP max with a 12 round mag, I carry it in a Sticky holster made for a Glock 42, I placed a small rag inside it brings the LCP to the perfect height and still covers the trigger guard. It was an experiment that actually worked for me the LCP is loose fitting so the holster always stays in the pocket plus I placed some Velcro on the holster for extra friction.
What great and helpful video. I am in the market for a pocket gun and was considering the Seecamp (for size and coolness) , but the LCP Max kept coming up as highly recommended. What i liked MOST about your video is showing the Max IN the holster IN your pocket. It practically disappears when you put it in your pocket! Until that moment, I couldnt visualize the practical size of the Max. Other videos and pictures didnt let me see it as clearly as you presented.
Thanks again, for helping out a new member of the community, like me.
Glad to help, Mr. Chance. I can’t recommend the LCP MAX enough. I bought two so I was never without one! Roy
@@fmgpubs you bought TWO?! That's a serious endorsement. Thanks again for the video and thank you for taking time to respond.
My pleasure. They are cheap enough that having two is easy, plus it’s handy. One stays in your pocket all the time (ALL the time!) and the other can be kept in a truck console, bedside table, next to where you watch TV, etc. And if one breaks you have an instant backup. Good luck! Roy@@slchance8839
Very good advice!
Thank you, Roy!
You bet Lou. Roy H.
Nicely explained, thank you.
You should look at a Vedder pocket holster. It is available with a thumb tab. If the gun comes out with the holster you just use your strong hand thumb to flick it off. You can't muzzle your support hand. Remember you might not have both hands free when you need that pocket gun.
Thanks Glenn, and you’re right about possibly not having both hands. The Vedder is a great option! Roy H.
I just saw the video and having myself recently bought an lcp max and had the same problem of it not coming out of holster when drawn. Then someone taught me as I am drawing to pull it out and toward the back of my pocket so the protruding piece on the lcp holster (most all brands have it)catches on the rear of my pocket, and it’s worked perfectly every time I have drawn it since using that method.
That works … except sometimes when it doesn’t, so I like to be prepared. Roy
We need to think about these pocket draw situations as if your under duress/stress. Your response and body motions will likely be different.
Exactly. It's why people should practice some, but too many don't ... Roy@@majackson6478
Appreciate the information. Have a great day.
Thanks Keith! Roy H.
Some may not use a pocket holster and should. One of our Patients went outside to look for a prowler. Yep, that was one decision that deserves discussion. But his hand was gripping his mouse gun while in the pocket. Finding no prowler he started to pull his hand (on the gun) from his pocket. He fired a round into his thigh. Hopping around in pain and hand on the gun.....round two to the thigh. Nice video sir.
I’ve seen that too when I was a cop in San Diego. I kept telling him to use a holster, but nooo …. Roy
Great information I Cary a SW bodyguard with a DeSantis 15 holster. When i downward draw I use my thumb to push the top of the holster off during my up draw. Its muscle memory now and my holster always stays in my pocket.
Kevin, I just never seem to have good luck with getting the rigs to stay where they belong. Sometimes it works ... sometimes not! Roy
Something that always puzzled me, but I wasn’t sure it was an universal issue. Now I know that I need to practice. Thank you for sharing.
Useful advice.
Thanks Ken! Never hurts to practice a bit. Roy
Very good information, I usually grab the pistol grip when drawing. Holster seldom comes out.
Good stuff as always Roy!! Been following your advice for more years than I care to remember!! IMHO you and Mr Ron Spomer are class acts. Thanks for all you do for the 2A community.
Thanks Jason, I appreciate your kind words. I know Ron and he's a swell fellow. Roy H.
That's why I make almost all of the holsters that I use for my EDC pistols. My pocket holster (Kimber K6xs) is leather, rough side out, with some grip tape added for friction with pocket. I also include a '"hook" on the grip side, lower, so only the pistol is drawn. I believe it's important that the holster allows me to properly grip the pistol, in the pocket, when initiating the draw. Grip choice (material & length) on a revolver is very important to allow proper grip and limit printing.
I hear you Dave. But in all honesty, I"m betting the holster still wants to come out at times? It's why I always have a plan B! Roy
Nope- not even when wearing cotton gym shorts- spent a lot of time designing & refining this holster so that it operates flawlessly. But watching how you draw your pistol with your fingers on the holster, I understand why you'd better have a plan B.
I hear you. I've tried fast work, even with grippy/hooked, etc. holsters and regardless of what I do (even a good grip not touching the holster) now and again the holster stays on our at least comes out partway. After 25 years of being a street cop I don't like to take chances! Good chatting David. Roy@@davidbarnes7711
What a great suggestion! Concern about whether the holster will stay put in my pocket has been THE reason I haven't tried one yet. Time to see if a pocket holster will work for me.
Tad, with the right holster that’s comfy in your own pocket, I think you’ll soon grow to really like it. I like the fact it’s effortless and allows you to always have at least a small gun at-hand, even at home, in the garage, shop or taking the trash out. Really puts your mind at ease in these insane times we seem to be experiencing. Roy
Very helpful. I have a leather pocket holster I bought for my Springfield Hellcat, which has a plastic hook that’s supposed to de-holster the firearm as you draw, but it never works, and TBH, the leather is so stiff it takes about 15 pounds strength to pull the firearm free of the holster.
I figure the leather would take time to wear in, making the de-holstering easier, but because the holster always came out of my pocket, I didn’t even give it a chance - I went back to my trusty kydex IWB holster and threw the pocket holster in my box of neglected gun accessories.
I think I’ll pull it out and let it sit in the leather for a while to loosen the leather and give the holster another try. Might give me another option.
I just saw this, but it is a good one. I carried a P 64 in a home made leather pocket holster, for a time. That is one rather large gun, but in a fat guy's front jeans pocket, it worked. The gun was basically a copy of the PPK, only in 9mm Makarov. I have a small gun right now for pocket carry, but might pick one up come spring.
Great information as usual thanks.
Glad to help Norm. Roy
The only pocket holster I’ve found that never comes out of the pocket, not even partially is the Galco leather holster. It’s a little larger so it grabs on both sides of the pocket. Only down side is it’s a little too big for some pockets. So my J frame sits a little high exposing the tip of the handle in some shorts. But it’s perfect for jeans.
Two "food-for-thought" instances I experienced:
Drawing a Kel-Tec PF9 from a cheap nylon pocket holster on a charging pit bull; the holster came up with the gun. Fortunately, I noticed it right away and brushed off the holster as you do, albeit a couple of nanoseconds later. I didn't have to fire as the owner was able to distract the dog and regain control of it.
Second instance: Was carrying a Taurus TCP in a similar holster. Unlike the Ruger LCP (and the Kel-Tec pistol it was inspired by), the TCP has a takedown pin whose head is not recessed in the frame. A loose thread on the holster got behind the pin head. I noticed it that night when I could not separate the gun from the holster.
Now, my holsters for the PF9 and the smaller ones (TCP, LCP-MAX, and Kel-Tec P32) are DeSantis Superfly models, though I remove the concealment flaps. I have never had any issues since upgrading.
Thanks for sharing.
Excellent learning points. Yet another reason to buy quality when your life depends on it. And to practice … Roy
I have an uncle mikes pocket holster for my S&W bodyguard and the holster always stays in my pocket. I think it depends on the style of pants and the size of the pocket though.
Great info! Thanks!
You bet Howard. Roy
Another helpful hint, aka Pro Tip from Roy! Good info. Take away is to practice!
Hey Rob, always nice to see you here! Roy H.
Great video and timely. I just started carrying it in my pocket. I got the safest gun for this type of draw. The Beretta Tomcat 32 ACP. It has a safety selector and a double-action trigger. There is no way the pistol can discharge without taking the safety off, and the first shot will be a long, hard trigger press. I'm experimenting with different holsters. I just got the smallest Sticky holster, but it does not stick to the inside of my pocket. With this sticky holster, I have to pull the pistol out and apply backward pressure, so the holster catches on my pocket. Different shorts/pants have different-sized pockets, so I always practice drawing. I ordered a Kydex pocket holster with curved hooks on each end to keep it from coming out. It should work better, but it is more extensive and probably will not fit some pockets. I could go back to carrying my P365X, but I always worry about printing, and I drive a lot, and the Sig gets uncomfortable. I sometimes use a fanny pack to carry. I can draw quickly, but slower than a pocket or 4 o'clock IWB carry. Thanks for bringing this subject to light. I'm always looking for better ways to carry concealed.
Kruzen, I’ve never had a pocket holster that stayed in the pocket 100 percent of the time during a draw. Better to worry about getting the gun into the fight, than fussing with rocking or twisting it to try to keep the holster in your pocket. Also, try a cross-draw holster when you drive. They are handy, and also very comfy for daily carry. A lightweight shoulder holster might work for you too. Roy
Bought the Vedder pocket locker for pocket carry. Purchased the additional thumb release to make sure holster is removed on draw. It will stay in my pocket. Really only using it when dress or a tuckable shirt is required.
They work pretty good. I just don’t completely trust any of them. Roy
HAWG Holsters makes a pocket holster with a thumb tab used to push the holster off your firearm while still in your pocket. Works great for me.
I like your style sir…low key common sense…I’m 71…I’m a life long firearms guy (hunting/shooting sports) but not Rambo…I do practice my concealed carry handgun techniques but prolly less than I should. I use a S&W BGd
Kydex only for me. I have a couple of Clinger pocket holsters that are really nice and comfy, but I can see situations where the trigger could potentially by compromised, no matter how unlikely. I want to be as close to 100% safe as I possibly can, so I deal with a hard shell only.
Lord knows, I understand. I make it a point nothing goes into that pocket but the gun just for that reason. I can never get comfy with kydex though, but that’s just me. Roy
Great advice, thank you
A hammer fired gun with a DAO trigger doesn't necessarily need a pocket holster unless you're concerned with printing now a striker fired pistol yes I'd recommend a pocket holster that covers the trigger.
I find having a DA gun (J-Frame, or DA auto) in a holster also makes it more comfortable and holds it in the same position. I've had small autos invert themselves in a pocket if they weren't in a holster. It's really confusing when you reach in and get a handful of barrel or slide rather than the grip! Roy H.
Thank you for a really great informative mini-lesson on drawing technique from the pocket!
Because of my diverticulosis, I am having to transition away from belts, and hence belt holsters, to Shoulder Rigs and Pocket Carry. I'm severely limited financially and the Lord blessed me greatly in finding a really good condition used Galco Shoulder Rig with Double Mag Counter Balance Holders for $20 at a Gun Show, for the Taurus G3C I was able to finally buy a few months ago ($263).
I am wearing Bibs most of the time these days, with a vest, and this is how I plan to carry with the Shoulder Rig from late Fall through Late Spring/Early Summer. However all the vests I have are made of heavier materials, for warmth and comfort, as well as NO Patterning while carrying, and this is a problem with 80F temps and up.
Looking for a temporary solution (until I can afford to buy a lighter material vest that fits me and my carry needs), the Lord blessed me yet again, at yet another Gun Show, and I was able to pick up a used leather Pocket Holster in really good condition. The name of the manufacturer isn't legible anymore, as it is marked on one of the lower 'lips' of the bottom of the holster, but it looks like 'Don........', and I picked it up for a whopping $5!
Fits the Taurus G3C wonderfully, fully covering the trigger, and fits the pockets of my Bibs just right!
The two extra mags I have fit quite nicely in the right Chest Pocket of my Bibs, and without any holders necessary, so my Bibs have become, I would argue, part of my 'Quality Carry Ensemble' for EDC!
My next task is to find a reasonably priced high quality set of Suspenders for all my pants, so that I can still wear pants when I want to 'dress up' a bit from the Bibs.......though I'm beginning to wonder if anyone makes 'Dress Bibs' for those 'special occasions'.........no foolin'; I'm a crippled up old Curmudgeon and Geezer, so I'm just 'bold' enough to wear such critters if they existed!
Once again, thank you so much for a great video, and I hope you won't mind me recommending a tool I've been looking at for a LONG TIME for a 'truck gun/home defense', the Hi-Point 995 series Carbine in 9mm; the new model has a 'threaded barrel' in 1/2 x 28, which would allow the use of a muzzlebrake, lowering the already mild recoil of the 9mm round out of a 16" barrel (I'm sensitive to recoil, in that I have 3 herniations in my lumbar and 3 compressions in my neck). The stock is polymer based, so the $350-$400 Carbine is light to carry around (I've been fondling them at Gun Shows...drooling and putting away my pennies and nickels for one), using an over the shoulder/chest hung 2 point sling, EASY 'Whip Around' to the shoulder 'ready to shoot' for those Chicken Murderers of all sorts!
Take care and I hope you're able to 'put paid' to Reddy Fox!
Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central WY
JR, you might find these vids handy. One on that Hi-Point and one on how to safely draw from a shoulder holster. th-cam.com/video/pWXw1XIw7-0/w-d-xo.html And. th-cam.com/video/eTeiQySbmhI/w-d-xo.html Roy H.
Thank you for the good video
You bet. Hope it helped. Roy
Who makes that front pocket magazine holder with the draw hooks?
It's a Mitch Rosen holster. Roy
Amen, sweeping the holster off should be practiced. Even if a good pocket holster rarely comes out with the gun.
But I sweep it off the top, keeping my support hand above everything, similar to sweeping off a stovepipe jam. Like racking the slide, but forwards.
My malfunction drills, and reloading drills, are the same, with the support hand over the slide. Only mag changes happen under the gun.
One solution fixes many problems. Try it.
Sounds fine to me. Roy
I have Blue Force gear pocket holsters for my s&w 340pd and ruger lcp. They are the thinnest, lightest and absolutely best pocket holsters I’ve owned . Not a problem drawing out of pocket like those type of holsters . Why buy a light gun and put it in a bulky holster in your pocket that sometimes comes out with the gun ?
Great advise!!! I have LCP II and used provided by Ruger pocket holster. But now, I installed a lazer on it and Ruger holster does not fit anymore. Any recommendations for a pocket holster for LCP II with a lazer?
Thanks for your comment, Oleg. I “googled” and searched for “pocket holster for Ruger LCPII with Laser” and turned up lots of options. You will likely see one you like. Roy H.
Thanks good advice because I will be getting a pocket gun soon.
Excellent. Get some unloaded practice with it for sure. Roy
Very good video, thank you
Thanks! Roy
I like the idea of a pocket holster, but when I'm in uniform, my portable case and my ASP baton holder prevent access. I have a good ankle holster and have been carrying my back-up that way for years.
Agreed Joe. When I was on duty, my pocket carry was a last-ditch NAA .22 revolver (just in case). But my main back-up was a J-Frame in an ankle rig. If you don’t use one, take a look at The Wilderness Tactical Renegade. It’s a game changer and is the only one I’ve used for 35 years now. Roy
Which mag pouch are you using?
There are some kydex holsters with thumb nubs to pop them off - much prefer that over the softwalled materials.
Hi Kyle. I’ve tried them and at least for me, I find the delay in operating the thumb nub (and the fact they don’t always seem to release the gun well) caused me to go the soft route. This way you just grab the gun and pull it out with no delays. But with the right “nub” holster I’m sure it can work with a bit of practice. Roy
Thank you!
You’re welcome Frank! Roy
I’m new to pocket carry. Great advice thx! Also, that’s one good lookin’ mustache.
Nice 10th anniversary LCP brother. I had one, sent it in to Ruger for servicing and they lost it! They did send me a brand new LCP max and 2x 12rd mags to make up for their foo-pah.
Rats .... but the LCP MAX is a good score. I sure like mine. I load it with Black Hills Honey Badger .380 ammo. Very effective. Now .. if I could just see how it works on that fox! Roy H.
@@fmgpubs i use underwood 380 xtp. I'll have to check out that honey badger ammo...good luck with the fox!!!
I carry an LCR in a front pocket, no holster as it stays put in position without a holster.
A good video, that challenges one to be more self aware. I must confess I don't practice "wiping the holster off" (as you put it). Mostly this is because in my experience it isn't an issue. I practice daily with my pocket carry rig, and I can count on one hand the number of times the firearm came out still in the holster. (BTW, my rig is my Taurus GX4 micro9 in my DeSantis Nemesis (#N39BJE1Z0) pocket holster in the pocket of my Coleman's canvass utility pants.)
But even though it rarely happens, it *has* happened. The pistol has cleared my pocket and still been inside the holster. I shouldn't take that lightly. In my draw I do present my pistol with a two-handed hold, so bringing my support hand up in place to be ready to wipe the holster should it occur is an easy step to add to my training. Thanks for the admonition.
You bet, Larry. I appreciate your comments! Roy
Great advice. Nice music as well.👍
Take care
Cool. Glad it helped out. I’ll let the editor know about the music. Roy
Never Considered This, Thanks 🤠👍
I never considered it too until I drew my gun one time decades ago and the holster stayed on. Oops! Roy H.
Thanks for the discussion and reminders. You also have my favorite color shirt. 👕 😁
Stay safe!
Thanks Dennis. I can thank my wife for my shirt color! Proof she has better taste than I do! Roy H.
What ive noticed on these things training for many years is slow and steady is fast and fast and jerky is slow
Exactly …. Too many people try to go fast right off the bat. Roy
Well down. I carry same gun as you with Sticky holster. You look about same age as me. Can I ask why you wear the suspenders? Are they to help hold pants up? I’m not familiar with them.
On the suspenders, part of it is the fact they really help to keep your pants up and comfy if you’re carrying a gun on your hip or pocket. Also, as my wife says, “The ass bandit” has struck me as I age and my pants just won’t stay up unless I crank down my belt, which hurts my back. Getting old ain’t for sissies, eh?! Try some suspenders (I like the clip on kind) and you’ll soon be amazed at how comfy things are. Roy
We’ll thanks Roy. That makes sense. Rick
@@MR57LV check out the side clip suspenders from Duluth Trading Company. They are also great. Roy
Good video
Thanks Ron. Hope it gave you some things to think about. Roy
Carried Sticky holsters for years. The firearm will draw from the pocket absolutely clean every time. When you get a Sticky holster new immediately insert your firearm and either pocket or IWB for around a hour. This breaks the holster in. After that you're good to go every time...
Thanks Lawrence. I’ve had good luck with their products, but even with the best, now and again the holsters comes out with the gun, at least in my experience. Roy H.
I have had a variety of pocket holsters for small carry guns. At my age and owing to my body shape I am tending to wear sweatpants more than jeans because they are easier to get on and off, more comfortable and they tend to stay put without suspenders. The pockets on sweatpants are small and create a crowding problem and a drawing problem. Lately I have just carried an LCP or S&W 638 without a holster. They stay oriented very well without one. It works for me. But seeing those large pocket pants of yours tells me I need shop for some and cave in to old-guy suspenders. That way I could keep my handgun 100% oriented, eliminate printing and even carry something bigger and better with an IWB holster. Yup, I am breaking out the suspenders my kids gave me a decade ago and going "operator". Thanks for the video.
Dale, I think you’ll really like suspenders. I also use Duluth Trading company “side clip” suspenders. The shorts are from Cabelas or Bass Pro. Roy H.
I love this guy
Appreciate the kind words sir! Roy
A better way to draw leaving the pocket holster in the pocket, is to reach in to draw, as your pulling the weapon out, pull back (backwards/rearwards) at the same time so the round nose of the pocket holster catches the back top opening corner of the pocket where the pocket begins. Works every time! But you gotta practice practice practice drawing. You’ll see how the pocket holster stays within your pocket every time as you draw. Try it.
The secret is if it stays everytime. Using this technique if it’s still on the gun there’s no slowing down to figure out what’s wrong. Roy
thanks
Please, no background music. Retired SWAT cop and ANY background noise makes it hard to hear you. Love your videos. Was a cop from 74 to 94 and was in LE training for decades. Thanks.
Ha! I know what you mean. I'm chatting with our producer/editor about that as we speak. Thanks for bringing it up to us. We're just trying to make the vids be as fun and easy to watch as possible. We'll keep honing. Looks like we were cops around the same time period. Glad I'm out and I'm betting you are too! I spent my last couple of years on the PD also at the academy in the training unit. Roy H.
thenks for helping save 2A
I don’t recommend that way personally. I push off with my middle finger on the holster tongue as I grip the gun in my pocket before the draw. That breaks the retention and gun comes clean out of pocket every time. Either way works but I find my way easier and faster.
I specifically only use DeSantis Nemesis in DeSantis Superfly
( With velcroed on flap to prevent printing ) .. I have practice drawing with my Kel-Tec p-32 .gen1 .. my Taurus TCP 380.. in my Smith 342 air light ti 11oz .38sp centennial... I have never had the DeSantis Nemesis or Superfly come out of the pocket with the gun! . In fact I find I can draw much faster from my pocket and from a iwb... I can draw even faster if I have my hand in the pocket on the grip..btw smith 342 centennial.. has full size rubber hogue monogrips.. installed and I have never had a problem with the holster coming out with the gun..
stitching edges are always in the way. I went with Alien Gear holsters.
Great vid
Thanks for taking the time to comment, Albert! Roy H.
I like the idea of these but I don’t think it’s ok if it doesn’t cover the trigger guard. The string on a wind breaker for example getting in there and pulling the trigger when you take it off. Yikes.
Yup, and I think we all have heard of this sort of thing. I had a reader who carried a Kel-tec P32 in his pocket, unholstered. He also had a small Swiss Army knife in the same pocket. The knife got into the trigger guard and sure enough, he bent down and the gun fired. But luckily, the bullet missed his leg and hit the ground harmlessly. But he became a convert to pocket holsters! Roy
Why do you carry in a pocket holster while on your personal property ?
Clearly for foxes
William, I have a bad back so hip carry is literally a pain, so the LCP Max goes in the pocket to “always be there.” I also keep long guns handy in the E-Z-go, etc. Roy H.
That’s faster than me working hard with my hand in the pocket to make sure that “hook” does its job. Time to retrain myself, again.
I agree, those hooks just don’t always work but this way us for sure …. Roy H.
I’ve devised a better method. Stick a kydex holster that fits your gun inside an Uncle Mike’s or Sticky holster. Adjust the retention until it comes out cleanly. Gun cones out cleanly every time.
Not a bad idea at all sir. Roy
I'm no expert on foxes or a retired detective but...would a fox go after a second chicken or take off with the one that it just killed?
Get a "Mika's Pocket Holster". Mika's holsters "stay in a pocket" and draw better, than ANY pocket holster I have ever had. I am a retired L.E.O., a former Firearms Dealer and a very long time Firearms Instructor. I am not sponsored and I have not received any free items from any manufacturer. I personally don't believer anyone makes a better Pocket Holster than "Mika's Pocket Holsters".
The only useful pocket holster is maybe the hooked one. The rest are just useless sleeves that require an extra motion just like racking the slide..... which makes your gun useless if they grab either of your arm
Pocket holsters are certainly compromises, even in the best situation. I’ve found even the hooked ones something either interfere with the draw or come out along with the gun at times too. Roy
@@fmgpubs yeah but at least you have a chance of drawing it one handed unlike the felt storage sleeve holsters
It’s true. Some of the pocket holsters have a “grabby” covering to help them stay in place, but are still never 100 percent. Roy@@jason200912
You may have to buy a pocket holster for each pair of pants that you wear.
They do wear out but it’s amazing to see the worn out junk people often continue to use. Roy
I've been using a Blackhawk Techgrip the last couple of months. I've tried and tried and I can't make it come out with the gun. A simply great pocket hoster
I’ll look that one up. Roy
Bungie your holster to a belt loop if you need too.
Yeah, there are lots of ideas similar to that, and even some designs offering a built-in clip for the pocket. But I’ve found none are 100 percent sure so it’s good to practice for the failure moment. Roy
I think this is actually bad advice on how you should train. In a scenario of being physically attacked, you're going to instinctively be trying to fend off the attacker with your free arm while you draw your weapon. The last thing you want, is to be fumbling around now trying to get the holster off. There are numerous pocket holsters that can make this one handed motion much easier. Never train in a manner that requires 2 hands to deploy your weapon. The Vedder pocket locker holster is a great option. Stay away from soft holsters.
Could happen indeed. It’s why we train for various scenarios. During my police career I didn’t ever need to “fend off” a bad guy while drawing my gun, but I certainly drew my gun many, many times. But that doesn’t mean it can’t happen. I wrote the Handgun Leather column for American Handgunner for six years before I became the editor. During those times I tested countless “secure” pocket holsters. None of them ever stayed in your pocket 100 percent of the time when you drew a pocket gun. Something to keep in mind, if attacked, it’s always best to try to withdraw. Distance gives you time. Roy
You’re holding the holster with you finger!
It’s easier to draw the holster with the gun. Then you know what’s occuring and act accordingly. Roy
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This is a problem of poor holster design or construction. Good pocket holsters should not remain on the gun, when paired with good draw technique. The holsters shown in this video are all very cheap options. If that's all you can afford, then I cannot fault you for purchasing within your means. Practicing with what you have is the route you should go for. However, good pocket holsters can be had for around forty dollars, so if you can afford that, it's more ideal to have a better holster that will stay in your pocket. Some examples of high quality pocket holsters are the Mika Pocket Holster, the A Holsters Backbone, and the Simply Rugged Holsters DB Force Options holster. Yes, these all cost more than a Blackhawk or other cheap holster, but they cost more because they have better design features that allow for the holster to remain in the pocket upon the draw. If it takes two hands to draw your gun, then you cannot use your gun if you only have one hand available in your moment of need. Simply accepting that the holster stays on your gun is not advisable. Lastly, having to remove the holster with your support hand is going to slow down your potential draw to first shot time significantly. Pocket carry has the fastest potential draw to first shot speed of any concealed carry method. Having a bad holster eliminates this advantage of this carry method. I don't want my comment to sound hostile - I just really disagree with what's being advocated for here.
Well, I wrote the Handgun leather colum for American Handgunner for years, and was the editor/publisher for about 20 years, and exactly none of the pocket holsters I tested would remain in your pocket 100 percent of the time. And if you had to fuss with them by holding them with your thumb or trying to hook then on your pocket, it slowed you down. It’s why I developed this method. Get the gun out if the holster stays, good, of it doesn’t, wipe it off. It doesn’t slow you down enough to matter. If you’ve had other experiences, I’m sure we’ll all like to see the videos and articles you’re done on the topic. Thanks for posting! It’s always good to hear ideas. Roy H.
I have 2 Mika holsters for 2 different carry guns and I have never had the holster come out of my pocket with my gun. I would highly advise anyone who practices pocket carry to look into Mika holsters.
Great videos but please allow me this one criticism:
The music is big-time distracting and casually minimizes the importance of your teaching points.
You want to prevent casualties and the music definitely detracts. Your speaking voice and personna however is spot-on, you need absolutely nothing else to be added.
Appreciate that sir. The editor at the time was a sort of rad dude … he’s long gone and now days our videos are more, um .. civilized! Roy
If you choose the right holster it will not come out with the firearm
That’s the rub, the “right” holster seems to be different for everyone. In all my years of experimenting (I also wrote the Handgunleather column in American Handgunner for years) I never found a single pocket holster that stayed in a pocket during the draw 100 percent of the time. Some allow you to sort of “push” the holster off with a thumb, or catch the corner of a pocket, etc. But the “push off” versions are slower and the various sticky ones or hooked ones do sometimes come out too, or are much slower. There was one that actually clipped inside a pocket and that worked to a good degree. I’ve just found, over the past 40-odd years of carrying in the pocket, the safest thing is to assume it will come out with the gun and practice that way. It’s fast and sure, as opposed to hoping the draw works. At least in my experience. Roy
My thumb tab on my vedder pocket locker works great I don’t see it slower at all. Just like a manual safety if you practice it won’t slow you down. Works with all my pant pockets and I wear all kinds of pants.
Glad that works for you! Roy@@edw5208
I practice my draw with snap rounds. That way I can practice drawing it cocked and loaded. I also have a LCP and there is no external safety or de-cocking lever. If I err and the hammer drops there is no bullet fired. So I am practicing as close to real life you can get without a loaded and ready to fire weapon.
Great idea, Ed. Roy
I appreciate the video, but the music isn't necessary and is distracting. I'm here for information, nothing more.
All work and no play makes you old faster! Get the info and some music too! The funny thing is we get comments about how people enjoy our new more modest sounds. Thanks for taking the time to drop us a note! Roy H.
Easy there, Buzz Killington. This music is SO much milder compared to current TH-cam "Guntuber" channel standards.
I do not like pocket holsters. Kydex holsters.
Well, you certainly have a lot to choose from these days! Roy
Alien gear makes a great pocket holster. Your welcome.
Can we stop with the 'film school' 2 camera thing where you film from the side while he's talking to the other camera? so annoying and the only reason you do it is to show you're up the film school cool. great content, but just let the content speak for itself, instead of trying to show how cool the camera guy is.
Hi Mike. We’re always trying to stay ahead of the youtube penchant for ghosting gun vids. Changing out camera work, lots of comments, etc. can sometimes help. Plus, the “straight at the camera talking head” can get old according to some viewers. We’ll keep at it though! Roy H.