Ok, small rant time- This video was one of the hardest that I've ever done! I knew there would be some difficulty getting info on this topic but it was just SO HARD to get anyone to talk to me about this stuff. Most teams and orgs are usually willing to work with me, but on this particular subject, no one wanted to say anything on record. Huge Shoutout to Newzoo and Jordan. They were so important to the making of this video. I really do try to be thorough and make sure that my research is done properly but in the world of esports it’s still very new and finding reliable sources can be very challenging. Thank you to all my fans who wait for my videos. I work hard on my research and I appreciate you all for watching!
Hey Awsome work AND video I really love how you're managing to evolve your channel and I hope you keep growing. Just wanted to point out a thing about "lazy" NA In my mind it is not about time put into the game but rather effectiveness in practice and the will to compete on international level. How sometime you can feel the will in other regions to just be the best in all ways, whereas in Na the "best" just stay kinda there and stay on the same level for so long
I seldom post on yt, but I feel compelled to complement you on this video. It was well written, paced and insightful. I learned so much and it lifted the veil on a topic that is often hard to learn about. @DongHuap, your videos are consistently excellent, but this one felt like you leveled up.
Good job on the video bud. Any plans to do a video on the new rules for video games in China for people below the age of 18 and how it’s affecting league ? Could be interesting to look at a before and after.
I used to think getting paid to play league was a dream, back when I was 14-16 ish. Now I realize it's a nightmare. When I found other hobbies and passions I wanted to do, I felt horrible playing league for so long everyday. I couldn't sit there all day for so many hours. I felt ill. I don't know why I didn't feel that when I was younger, but now I'd know that I would not want to do that at all. I realized that I'd probably get tilted and do nothing productive with my day, I wasn't getting much enjoyment. I eventually quit playing league and just watch it.
The thing competitive games is extremely intoxicating, you have to worry your performance, the meta, your hours and so on. Being a pro at any competitive game is not a hobby it a job, while people like that the problem is video game is still view as a hobby and escapism from real world. The esports scene is basically the antisemitism of what a video games are in the core and that why Nintendo is not 100% supporting their esports games
@@zetamangads Also LOL at professionally high levels of play is a pretty boring game. You don't risk all in's without knowledge of where the enemy jungler & support is, or if your opponent has any way of outplaying you. So you just farm in lane, setup vision around objectives and slowly win or lose the game after 30+ minutes.
@@andrewwoan I also forgot to mention. if you have a game who sole purpose is to be an esport machine, you are going to kill the casual audience I'm looking at you Valorant. Multiplayer games strives on the casuals while having a competitive scene is nice and all the majority of the revenue and player base are casuals. I have to bring Nintendo again but it the truth, Nintendo have some competitive scenes in their games, the developers and the publisher don't like their games to have an esport they want they allow small time tournaments but not an esport, their games to have fun solo or with friends and family it's basically their core philosophy.
Not entirely related but i'm surprised by the fact that NA production feels cheaper (or just not as good) compared to EU. This includes a bunch of different stuff but even something as basic as "where is the observer looking during a game?" is different. I lost count of all the times the camera in NA focused on something completely irrelevant and ignored something important (jungler is preparing for a dive top? Let's look at support putting a ward).
Pausing 24/7 and the observer looking at a fight in top then panning to bottom for a split second to pan back to top for first blood is super annoying.
The esports scene will truly peak when it becomes interactive, by incorporating a spectator aspect. No need for cameramen, just let me watch where I want at any time, but I can switch back to default whenever I want to see what most are seeing, all while never losing the focus of the battle by letting us hear the commentators, spectators & sounds.
@@asparrow9876 This is a thing in dota actually im pretty sure, you can watch pro games through the game replay mode live and there's 'caster camera' mode for default
Anyone who works in Tech can tell you, sitting in front of a PC for extremely long period of time in a mentally Work-focused setting is not healthy. Esports training and competition league of legends is different from being at home fooling around. Trust me. I've burned out on coding for 15 hours straight for 4 days a week for a few months on an ML project. It's rough. Take breaks. Get up and walk. Have weights nearby. Stretch. Take vacations. Please, dear Talos. Take care of yourselves.
I am always interested to hear work-day stories from professional developers in the industry as I am looking to break into it myself. Do you feel like flow state played a big part in being able to code for such a long time in one day?
Man I always say this but, we really need DongHuap on LCS broadcast, he is the key to reducing toxicity and even creating more fans for himself and the broadcast.
@@kslayer55 it would be cool if he got his own segment to basically get closer to potential key players. Him and Gbay’s way of story telling is amazing
@@vulkarin8616 I hate most league content creators, but for some reason, I don't hate this guy even remotely at all. Must be the soothing voice and amicable manner of speech.
The burn out is real. I couldn't keep up with all the new champion releases then they reworked the items. It was becoming like a second job with zero pay to just keep up with all the changes. I can't even imagine the stress if this was a primary job.
The problem e-sports is the lack of continuios movement, setting in the same spot for long hours infront of screen and the most disastrous of all, the stress, unlike its counterpart, the "normal sports" the move alot, and the have less things to worry about, in e-sports its dynamic nature makes it way more problematic in the long run for its players.
I feel like your argument regarding currencies is really shallow, and would cause misinformation to many young viewers. Just because EUR worth more than USD, doesn't mean that it is better. If this was the case, then GBP shoud be better than EUR, which is not the case.
Ok but you miss the part when the culture affects that much of NA losing at worlds. korean and china are better because here you don't complain if you have to study / train / work that much.. Because we are used to do since the childhood, but Na / euw people are used to get confort and things like travels, girlfriend, friends, bar, movies etc.. The shock is so brutal that they simply crash when they try to replicate our model.
There's plenty emphasis on training, studying and working in NA the difference is if you decide not to try as hard your whole future isn't considered over like it is in Asian countries.
This is how business is done now. Growth at all cost, no product actually produced, and continual investment. The hope is that maybe one of these pyramid schemes will end up with 100% of the market share, and the investors will become giga rich.
I've been taking Excedrin for the past decade. Its basically just stronger Advil. Its the only thing that works for my migraines. Not sure what you meant by affecting mental state
"because our currency is stronger" xD it's not how economy works ;p there are rich countries with 'weak' currency like Japanese yen is about 0.01 $ and Korean won is about 0.001 $ and Koreans don't earn a 1000 times less than Americans ;p
The moment I saved videogames as a treat instead of a second job my life skyrocketed in quality, lifting, rock climbing, piano, hiking.. once I stopped the habit of waking up and going straight to my computer I never went back
I really like the Documentary! But i have to say, as an Austrian citizen, seeing "(Bavarian) German" on the map, makes me laugh and cry in the same moment.
Excedrin? Unethical? Exchange rates as an economic marker… You are so off on so many issues it’s painful. The content dealing with gaming was great but morality and economics are definitely not your forte and it would have improved this documentary 100 fold if you had left misinformation, opinion and speculation out of it.
Part of the story are permanent near 0% interest rates pushing investors to more and more risky investments and making getting into massive debt with hope of future earnings relatively cheap. Same reason why companies like Uber can afford to burn so much money in hopes of having a profitable market dominant position in the future.
And that comes from a bunch of different factors, central bank intervention, a large amount of the savings pursuing limited investments, and income flight from other countries.
Cool vid, but. The Euro being valued more than the US dollar does not mean its a stronger currency than the US dollar. The US dollar is the strongest currency in the world by FAR. You need only look at what currency is the most traded what currency countries use to pay eachother. IE: If China wanted to buy some provinces from India to solve their water problems they would purchase it in US dollars, All National Debt is payed in US Dollars, etc
Thanks for all your hard work. I remember my first deployment we got no sleep having to guard watch towers. I know how hard a young person can work or push through exhaustion. I’m sure esports can be tough just from watching and listening.
League takes a toll too much on the mental. It's like living with abusive parents and you can't run away. You're trapped. That's what it feels like and this is why LOL as a profession is like living in hell.
the salaries should be lowered for everyone . it s not sustainable in the long run. esport will never become what these " investors " think it will . altho i suspect most of them are doing money laundry
I LOVE your League of Documentary series, they're really high quality and very enjoyable to watch! This has way too little views for the work put into it, i hope it doesn't discourage you!
LCS is all in L.A., Other sports teams are local to their community and fly in for their games. If their was a team in my home town, I would be more invested.
11:35 that's wrong on so many level. proffesionnal sports athlete train a minimum of 10h/day. especially swimmer. they swim 20km per day MINIMUM. then you have all the training outside the pool (weight lifting etc)
One thing I don't get, and this is purely from a league player's perspective, but TSM is consistently bad. Ok so TSM doesn't care if they lose money, but surely if they consistently lose, it should hit them in some way? Do other games TSM have a presence in offsets it? The simple fact people know the name TSM is enough?
The delegate who was talking about esports whom you have included in this video is so out of touch with how things work. Due to that the video is full of misinterpretations and misinformation.
0:35 You seem to not understand concept of curreny value, or value in general. One currency unit being "stronger" than another doesn't mean that this currency is more valuable as a whole. Market cap is a product of price and quantity.
About the EUvsNA there is something else that influence it, nearly a year ago Ocelote said in a spaniard program of e-sports (Esportmaniacos) said there is a difference in EU and NA investors, NA investors are more rekkles/aggresive and thats another reason why NA have more money
donghuap, i gotta say... this is quality content. good fkin stuff, very deep information. also i like how you never fail to show tyler1 when talking about mental illness.
Bjergsen retired cuz he knows there is no hope for NA, he can keep playing if he wants but if he doesnt get good performances internationally there really is no point.
As someone from the uk when I watch ufc, nfl and the Lcs the amount of sponsors and adverts and like “red bull baron” “Honda replay” and like commentators selling films mid fight is insane. I watch the premier league a lot and the most you hear about sponsors is stadium names. The us advertisemens seem insane to me
The Bud Light problem with NA Esports is that their State Farm sponsors are completely out of Verizon control. I physically cannot watch LCS without Mastercard cringing. It's a Red Bull joke.
No notification nor front page reccomendation here, had to manually check your channel. Really interesting subject... I wonder if, considering that most game studios and publishers already monopolize the organization and logistics of their games' esports scene, wouldn't it be viable for esports team to, for example, sell in-game merch? Think skins, animations, emojis, something. Some already do, but not to a large enough scale. That way the game developer/publisher can see an immediate return on investment in all the work and money they've put in the table to organize these events, and the teams may get new fans... Because their skins looks prettier, or something.
From what I found only about 50% of Europeans speak English fluently vs America's 80% so I think the point still stands unless I'm wrong about the numbers which is also possible.
@@MrSokusuke The league viewership is generally on the younger side, where way more than 50% speak fluent english. It’s mostly older people, who have poor english skills in Europe.
Lmao 7:15 obviously she had to say “a bunch of European players comming in and being supposed to root for them” or something like that cause if she said Korean/Asian it would be offensive.
Well she is right, and people are quite soft so I bet if she said korean or asian it would seem offensive despite people just shipping them over to na anyways
Racism against Asian Americans is far more prevalent than racism against Americans who came from Europe, so obviously people are a bit more sensitive when there's people who complain about DL playing in NA.
Really great video, Dong! I never knew, that being Esport player is so painfull both for their physical and mental health. Neither I knew about the sponsoring the language content. And, of course atmosphere of sports/esports. Thank you for such effort for showing us it!
"Some of the highest paid people in the world" . While doing a couple of hundreds of thousands . Ask football players, especially the ones in high league like La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, Premier League... They pass the million mark m8
Hopefully the work culture for esports players will change soon globally. Any player can definitely still be effective with less time spent on playing than they currently do. More free time can be spent on physical and mental health which should inevitably boost their performance or at least bring the same results. It's awesome you managed to get all this information, thanks for sharing! Was really sad to hear about Uzi.
I used to be a semi-pro 5 years a go and I already had a "salary" ( well it was quite a bonus at that time) of 20k euro per year. For me because I love gaming to the core it felt amazing but what others say is also true, compared to a real job, here to stay relevant and at extremely high level you need at least 10-12 hrs per day. Why ? Because you don't need just to understand the game itself, but understand peoples behavior, repetetivness of their movement and what do they do. At the highest level of gameplay, meta is not as important as team comp/realisation of how enemy players play and their mentality. META is way under that. Even tho NA and EU as teams I believe are actually amazing I don't see many players go into the mentality and movement of another player that much. That's what makes them so bad at teamplay compared to Korea and China. But to the point, you can eat 150k from the team, Korean players GET A SHITLOAD OF MONEY from advertisements and sponsors, actually as much as NA does probably. So base "salary" isn't their total salary tbh
It's not that the pro NA players are lazy per se. It's that the playerbase is "LAZY" and this is why NA won't succeed. Laziness is taught in NA from iron. It's not called "lazy" in NA. It's called playing "casually" What other region plays casually? It's not an asian thing because EUW doesn't do this. EUW actually succeeded and even beat the koreans. Pro's try to start try harding when they become pro's but by that time, the gap is too big to overcome. You have to wonder why all the LCS orgs want an all import team if what I was saying wasn't true. How can NA be the best in a lot of things but be so bad at league? You really have to wonder. If ping was the big issue. Why isn't there a plan in place to improve it? With NO PLANS of it ever becoming better. No one is even talking about it. If NA really wanted to "get good", they would.
They need to make the VR VERSION for people to watch and pay for digital ticket and add there own esport gambling and 5% of it goes to the esport team another 20% go to the main owner like stage ect. And only able to bet if you pay for a digital ticket
to put it very simple: europe's quality of life is usually better and you need less money for a good life in most European countries, because they have healthcare system so on so forth. This is why salaries are so much lower in europe and I guess also in Korea. Got nothing to do with currencies or power of the representing org. So the same job gets usually paid a lot better in the US than in other delevoped countries. It's always been like that. A doctor in Germany makes roughly 100k USD on average. In the US the averages are almost double
It’s America that’s why. Also heads up a lot of companies in America and UK operate at a loss. Also that girl said if I’m a kicker I can hit it from 60 yards consistently…. Huh.
Just watched the intro and the obvious answer as to why NA gets paid more is advertising. Advertisers in NA have more money to throw around to get eyes on their products.
That, and they also have free reign to be as pushy and obnoxious as they want to make sure you get told about their product 100,000 times a minute. It's like enabling Jehovah's Witnesses: you give them an inch, they'll take a damn light year.
You don't really compare valuta in price, the best valuta is a stabile one. The point about the euro been worth more is really a point that means anything.
Lebron leaving the Cavaliers showing their fan base makes sense, using lebron with the Lakers makes no sense as the lakers were bigger than lebron before he stepped foot there
Usa doesnt have talent cause there is a big big mindset and cultural issue in the entire region. Na is only a top region when they are the only ones competing.
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Ok, small rant time- This video was one of the hardest that I've ever done! I knew there would be some difficulty getting info on this topic but it was just SO HARD to get anyone to talk to me about this stuff. Most teams and orgs are usually willing to work with me, but on this particular subject, no one wanted to say anything on record.
Huge Shoutout to Newzoo and Jordan. They were so important to the making of this video.
I really do try to be thorough and make sure that my research is done properly but in the world of esports it’s still very new and finding reliable sources can be very challenging.
Thank you to all my fans who wait for my videos. I work hard on my research and I appreciate you all for watching!
thanks for working so hard on this
bro thanks for going over this topic. I was debating it with some strangers last month
Hey Awsome work AND video I really love how you're managing to evolve your channel and I hope you keep growing.
Just wanted to point out a thing about "lazy" NA
In my mind it is not about time put into the game but rather effectiveness in practice and the will to compete on international level. How sometime you can feel the will in other regions to just be the best in all ways, whereas in Na the "best" just stay kinda there and stay on the same level for so long
I seldom post on yt, but I feel compelled to complement you on this video. It was well written, paced and insightful. I learned so much and it lifted the veil on a topic that is often hard to learn about. @DongHuap, your videos are consistently excellent, but this one felt like you leveled up.
Good job on the video bud.
Any plans to do a video on the new rules for video games in China for people below the age of 18 and how it’s affecting league ? Could be interesting to look at a before and after.
So... basically... e-sports teams are startups
I used to think getting paid to play league was a dream, back when I was 14-16 ish. Now I realize it's a nightmare. When I found other hobbies and passions I wanted to do, I felt horrible playing league for so long everyday. I couldn't sit there all day for so many hours. I felt ill. I don't know why I didn't feel that when I was younger, but now I'd know that I would not want to do that at all. I realized that I'd probably get tilted and do nothing productive with my day, I wasn't getting much enjoyment. I eventually quit playing league and just watch it.
The thing competitive games is extremely intoxicating, you have to worry your performance, the meta, your hours and so on. Being a pro at any competitive game is not a hobby it a job, while people like that the problem is video game is still view as a hobby and escapism from real world. The esports scene is basically the antisemitism of what a video games are in the core and that why Nintendo is not 100% supporting their esports games
@@zetamangads well put! exactly.
@@zetamangads Also LOL at professionally high levels of play is a pretty boring game. You don't risk all in's without knowledge of where the enemy jungler & support is, or if your opponent has any way of outplaying you. So you just farm in lane, setup vision around objectives and slowly win or lose the game after 30+ minutes.
@@andrewwoan I also forgot to mention. if you have a game who sole purpose is to be an esport machine, you are going to kill the casual audience I'm looking at you Valorant. Multiplayer games strives on the casuals while having a competitive scene is nice and all the majority of the revenue and player base are casuals.
I have to bring Nintendo again but it the truth, Nintendo have some competitive scenes in their games, the developers and the publisher don't like their games to have an esport they want they allow small time tournaments but not an esport, their games to have fun solo or with friends and family it's basically their core philosophy.
@@Justin73791 yeah it basically the core problem of high skill Moba, it not the players fault it the genre.
Not entirely related but i'm surprised by the fact that NA production feels cheaper (or just not as good) compared to EU.
This includes a bunch of different stuff but even something as basic as "where is the observer looking during a game?" is different.
I lost count of all the times the camera in NA focused on something completely irrelevant and ignored something important (jungler is preparing for a dive top? Let's look at support putting a ward).
Pausing 24/7 and the observer looking at a fight in top then panning to bottom for a split second to pan back to top for first blood is super annoying.
The esports scene will truly peak when it becomes interactive, by incorporating a spectator aspect. No need for cameramen, just let me watch where I want at any time, but I can switch back to default whenever I want to see what most are seeing, all while never losing the focus of the battle by letting us hear the commentators, spectators & sounds.
korean observers are crazy good
if NA is bad you do NOT want to see observers in the latin america league, they're literally a meme at this point
@@asparrow9876 This is a thing in dota actually im pretty sure, you can watch pro games through the game replay mode live and there's 'caster camera' mode for default
Anyone who works in Tech can tell you, sitting in front of a PC for extremely long period of time in a mentally Work-focused setting is not healthy.
Esports training and competition league of legends is different from being at home fooling around.
Trust me. I've burned out on coding for 15 hours straight for 4 days a week for a few months on an ML project. It's rough. Take breaks. Get up and walk. Have weights nearby. Stretch. Take vacations. Please, dear Talos. Take care of yourselves.
I am always interested to hear work-day stories from professional developers in the industry as I am looking to break into it myself. Do you feel like flow state played a big part in being able to code for such a long time in one day?
Man I always say this but, we really need DongHuap on LCS broadcast, he is the key to reducing toxicity and even creating more fans for himself and the broadcast.
I just love the info dump he brings us, very well constructed and his topic is usually covered in plenty of detail
@@kslayer55 it would be cool if he got his own segment to basically get closer to potential key players. Him and Gbay’s way of story telling is amazing
How is he the key to reducing toxicity?
@@vulkarin8616 By creating sympathy for players. They get shit on for mostly no reason, due to the desensitization of the harsh life of a pro.
@@vulkarin8616 I hate most league content creators, but for some reason, I don't hate this guy even remotely at all. Must be the soothing voice and amicable manner of speech.
It's funny how the salary of an average LCS player along could probably fund a top PCS team or any other non-major region lmaoooo
The burn out is real. I couldn't keep up with all the new champion releases then they reworked the items. It was becoming like a second job with zero pay to just keep up with all the changes. I can't even imagine the stress if this was a primary job.
I mean if it was the primary job, you would get paid and it will be fine....
The problem e-sports is the lack of continuios movement, setting in the same spot for long hours infront of screen and the most disastrous of all, the stress, unlike its counterpart, the "normal sports" the move alot, and the have less things to worry about, in e-sports its dynamic nature makes it way more problematic in the long run for its players.
not to mention the endorphins released from physical sports helps with the stress
Not mention the injuries from sports
@@renanmonteiro7484 that is there last thing to worry about
most esport team now got their own gym and personal trainer in korea this niw quite common especially for teams who are sponsored by nike
Have you retired from builds and starts? If so I am glad you have a successor in HappyChimeNoises
HuappyDongNoises collab when
Thanks for the channel rec. HappyChimeNoises seems pretty dang decent.
I feel like your argument regarding currencies is really shallow, and would cause misinformation to many young viewers. Just because EUR worth more than USD, doesn't mean that it is better. If this was the case, then GBP shoud be better than EUR, which is not the case.
Damn Donghuap, really high quality documentary. I didn't even notice it was almost 30minutes, time flew by just being mesmerised.
Ok but you miss the part when the culture affects that much of NA losing at worlds.
korean and china are better because here you don't complain if you have to study / train / work that much..
Because we are used to do since the childhood, but Na / euw people are used to get confort and things like travels, girlfriend, friends, bar, movies etc..
The shock is so brutal that they simply crash when they try to replicate our model.
There's plenty emphasis on training, studying and working in NA the difference is if you decide not to try as hard your whole future isn't considered over like it is in Asian countries.
This is how business is done now. Growth at all cost, no product actually produced, and continual investment. The hope is that maybe one of these pyramid schemes will end up with 100% of the market share, and the investors will become giga rich.
I've been taking Excedrin for the past decade. Its basically just stronger Advil. Its the only thing that works for my migraines. Not sure what you meant by affecting mental state
.... blink twice if u need help
I recommend you taking a medication without caffeine, because caffeine is likely going to cause more headaches
the point about european accents is laughable. There are many brands that want to advertise accross MANY countries at once.
"because our currency is stronger" xD it's not how economy works ;p there are rich countries with 'weak' currency like Japanese yen is about 0.01 $ and Korean won is about 0.001 $ and Koreans don't earn a 1000 times less than Americans ;p
Exactly, conversion rates are NOT currency strength
Ngl, I fcking love these documentaries.
The moment I saved videogames as a treat instead of a second job my life skyrocketed in quality, lifting, rock climbing, piano, hiking.. once I stopped the habit of waking up and going straight to my computer I never went back
Bro you literally just listed all of my hobbies that's crazy
@@typen436 This dude became vlogger material after quitting video games XD
Really though my problem is I just haven't stopped playing league lol
@@Justin73791 the only difference btwn a relatively normal person and a vlogger is recording it lol
18:41 that map makes my eyes bleed.
The bleeding into Canada is pretty excessive XD
A thing of beauty
6 mil for swordart LMAO
Threw Six Mil
Their scouting department is ridiculous... howd they not do research that SA was seen as a bad support player in the LPL...
most money? think china have someting to say about that..
I really like the Documentary!
But i have to say, as an Austrian citizen, seeing "(Bavarian) German" on the map, makes me laugh and cry in the same moment.
Excedrin? Unethical?
Exchange rates as an economic marker…
You are so off on so many issues it’s painful.
The content dealing with gaming was great but morality and economics are definitely not your forte and it would have improved this documentary 100 fold if you had left misinformation, opinion and speculation out of it.
Well Cloud 9 certainly got me in their clutches.
Part of the story are permanent near 0% interest rates pushing investors to more and more risky investments and making getting into massive debt with hope of future earnings relatively cheap.
Same reason why companies like Uber can afford to burn so much money in hopes of having a profitable market dominant position in the future.
And that comes from a bunch of different factors, central bank intervention, a large amount of the savings pursuing limited investments, and income flight from other countries.
Love this series! Please keep it going.
Cool vid, but. The Euro being valued more than the US dollar does not mean its a stronger currency than the US dollar. The US dollar is the strongest currency in the world by FAR. You need only look at what currency is the most traded what currency countries use to pay eachother. IE: If China wanted to buy some provinces from India to solve their water problems they would purchase it in US dollars, All National Debt is payed in US Dollars, etc
Thanks for all your hard work. I remember my first deployment we got no sleep having to guard watch towers. I know how hard a young person can work or push through exhaustion. I’m sure esports can be tough just from watching and listening.
League takes a toll too much on the mental. It's like living with abusive parents and you can't run away. You're trapped. That's what it feels like and this is why LOL as a profession is like living in hell.
Lower the salary of NA Lcs players.
the salaries should be lowered for everyone . it s not sustainable in the long run. esport will never become what these " investors " think it will . altho i suspect most of them are doing money laundry
I LOVE your League of Documentary series, they're really high quality and very enjoyable to watch! This has way too little views for the work put into it, i hope it doesn't discourage you!
LCS is all in L.A., Other sports teams are local to their community and fly in for their games. If their was a team in my home town, I would be more invested.
I'm really enjoying this, my Esports Bizz management students will be watching this Thank you :)
Soooo north American are upset bcause European are comming is LCS... But European are upset bcause American buy our best players. What the heck.
Despite the economic crises, it's still a good time to invest in gold and crypto.
Crypto is the future.
I got 80% of my total portfolio in Crypto and it has be great returns.
*INVEST IN BITCOIN*
Stocks are good to .
I heard her strategies are really good l.
These videos are so good I love the content you're making man keep it up.
Great to have these content creators like you in the industry for sure. Thanks for making those!
Call yourself a NA team have no one from NA on it
11:35 that's wrong on so many level. proffesionnal sports athlete train a minimum of 10h/day.
especially swimmer. they swim 20km per day MINIMUM. then you have all the training outside the pool (weight lifting etc)
Quality and underrated content
I noticed you changed the title of the video. Will you cover why NA sucks with the most money in another video?
One thing I don't get, and this is purely from a league player's perspective, but TSM is consistently bad. Ok so TSM doesn't care if they lose money, but surely if they consistently lose, it should hit them in some way? Do other games TSM have a presence in offsets it? The simple fact people know the name TSM is enough?
lets just be honest NA regulations: mostly non existent made for capitalism, reason why people who want more live there imo
Thanks for all the effort you put into this!
"the euro has been stronger than the dollar for some time".
Since 2003
10:36 "He is a self-made billioner"
And I'm a Unicorn
I mean he is a self made billionaire. No rich parents, no insane luck.
asuh dude 99.9% of billionaires are self made.
@@wanderingthewastes6159 Yeah i'm just saying this guy's comment is stupid
I can't believe you used currency conversion to say that the euro is stronger. That's so cringe...
The delegate who was talking about esports whom you have included in this video is so out of touch with how things work. Due to that the video is full of misinterpretations and misinformation.
0:35 You seem to not understand concept of curreny value, or value in general. One currency unit being "stronger" than another doesn't mean that this currency is more valuable as a whole. Market cap is a product of price and quantity.
The US dollar is used for most international banking and business, that's what makes ours the "strongest" currency.
0:50 approx $74400 to $1.48M literally means nothing
Yeah.
median salary would be more useful
About the EUvsNA there is something else that influence it, nearly a year ago Ocelote said in a spaniard program of e-sports (Esportmaniacos) said there is a difference in EU and NA investors, NA investors are more rekkles/aggresive and thats another reason why NA have more money
LPL style investing XD
Funny how you say Rekkles along with "aggressive" lmao
@@Geheimnis-c2e but its the correct word xd
@@wanderingthewastes6159 LPL gets championship, what do NA get by investing
lmao man talks about soren being the face of tsm league, but now he's on TL
donghuap, i gotta say... this is quality content. good fkin stuff, very deep information.
also i like how you never fail to show tyler1 when talking about mental illness.
-What's your favorite esport ?
>Clash royale !
Bjergsen retired cuz he knows there is no hope for NA, he can keep playing if he wants but if he doesnt get good performances internationally there really is no point.
As someone from the uk when I watch ufc, nfl and the Lcs the amount of sponsors and adverts and like “red bull baron” “Honda replay” and like commentators selling films mid fight is insane. I watch the premier league a lot and the most you hear about sponsors is stadium names. The us advertisemens seem insane to me
Go loud
Haaai cant sleep well but im here to watch something thank you for ur cobtent much love on the philippines
“on” the Philippines???
@@x_gosie in my bad i was like drunk cuz of no sleep last night xd
The Bud Light problem with NA Esports is that their State Farm sponsors are completely out of Verizon control. I physically cannot watch LCS without Mastercard cringing. It's a Red Bull joke.
Please do a video on "thereisnourflevel"
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Really interesting subject... I wonder if, considering that most game studios and publishers already monopolize the organization and logistics of their games' esports scene, wouldn't it be viable for esports team to, for example, sell in-game merch? Think skins, animations, emojis, something. Some already do, but not to a large enough scale. That way the game developer/publisher can see an immediate return on investment in all the work and money they've put in the table to organize these events, and the teams may get new fans... Because their skins looks prettier, or something.
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Though almost every single European also speaks reasonable English
From what I found only about 50% of Europeans speak English fluently vs America's 80% so I think the point still stands unless I'm wrong about the numbers which is also possible.
@@MrSokusuke The league viewership is generally on the younger side, where way more than 50% speak fluent english. It’s mostly older people, who have poor english skills in Europe.
Lmao 7:15 obviously she had to say “a bunch of European players comming in and being supposed to root for them” or something like that cause if she said Korean/Asian it would be offensive.
Well she is right, and people are quite soft so I bet if she said korean or asian it would seem offensive despite people just shipping them over to na anyways
Racism against Asian Americans is far more prevalent than racism against Americans who came from Europe, so obviously people are a bit more sensitive when there's people who complain about DL playing in NA.
My respect for pro players after this video 📈
My respect for NA players sunk to rock bottom.
They are overplayed and still suck compared to other regions who play the same game!
@@TheDoodleli "They are overplayed..." Exactly why they suck.
@@mr.wankpants4341 overpayed* sorry
Really great video, Dong!
I never knew, that being Esport player is so painfull both for their physical and mental health. Neither I knew about the sponsoring the language content. And, of course atmosphere of sports/esports.
Thank you for such effort for showing us it!
"Some of the highest paid people in the world" . While doing a couple of hundreds of thousands . Ask football players, especially the ones in high league like La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, Premier League... They pass the million mark m8
Hopefully the work culture for esports players will change soon globally.
Any player can definitely still be effective with less time spent on playing than they currently do. More free time can be spent on physical and mental health which should inevitably boost their performance or at least bring the same results.
It's awesome you managed to get all this information, thanks for sharing!
Was really sad to hear about Uzi.
I love the video! Thank you for the detailed and in-depth view on a often dismissed topic!!
10:35 "self made billionaire" I laughed so hard
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Soooo this will never work with crypto or nfts, because those are scams. If these teams want to be legit, they need to act legit.
I used to be a semi-pro 5 years a go and I already had a "salary" ( well it was quite a bonus at that time) of 20k euro per year. For me because I love gaming to the core it felt amazing but what others say is also true, compared to a real job, here to stay relevant and at extremely high level you need at least 10-12 hrs per day. Why ? Because you don't need just to understand the game itself, but understand peoples behavior, repetetivness of their movement and what do they do. At the highest level of gameplay, meta is not as important as team comp/realisation of how enemy players play and their mentality. META is way under that. Even tho NA and EU as teams I believe are actually amazing I don't see many players go into the mentality and movement of another player that much. That's what makes them so bad at teamplay compared to Korea and China.
But to the point, you can eat 150k from the team, Korean players GET A SHITLOAD OF MONEY from advertisements and sponsors, actually as much as NA does probably. So base "salary" isn't their total salary tbh
It's not that the pro NA players are lazy per se. It's that the playerbase is "LAZY" and this is why NA won't succeed.
Laziness is taught in NA from iron. It's not called "lazy" in NA. It's called playing "casually"
What other region plays casually? It's not an asian thing because EUW doesn't do this. EUW actually succeeded and even beat the koreans.
Pro's try to start try harding when they become pro's but by that time, the gap is too big to overcome.
You have to wonder why all the LCS orgs want an all import team if what I was saying wasn't true.
How can NA be the best in a lot of things but be so bad at league? You really have to wonder.
If ping was the big issue. Why isn't there a plan in place to improve it? With NO PLANS of it ever becoming better.
No one is even talking about it.
If NA really wanted to "get good", they would.
They need to make the VR VERSION for people to watch and pay for digital ticket and add there own esport gambling and 5% of it goes to the esport team another 20% go to the main owner like stage ect. And only able to bet if you pay for a digital ticket
to put it very simple: europe's quality of life is usually better and you need less money for a good life in most European countries, because they have healthcare system so on so forth. This is why salaries are so much lower in europe and I guess also in Korea. Got nothing to do with currencies or power of the representing org. So the same job gets usually paid a lot better in the US than in other delevoped countries. It's always been like that. A doctor in Germany makes roughly 100k USD on average. In the US the averages are almost double
It’s America that’s why. Also heads up a lot of companies in America and UK operate at a loss. Also that girl said if I’m a kicker I can hit it from 60 yards consistently…. Huh.
Just watched the intro and the obvious answer as to why NA gets paid more is advertising. Advertisers in NA have more money to throw around to get eyes on their products.
That, and they also have free reign to be as pushy and obnoxious as they want to make sure you get told about their product 100,000 times a minute. It's like enabling Jehovah's Witnesses: you give them an inch, they'll take a damn light year.
Meanwhile me picking up heavy boxes for 10 h a day 5 times a week, coool, burnout☺️☺️☺️
You don't really compare valuta in price, the best valuta is a stabile one. The point about the euro been worth more is really a point that means anything.
I'm from American and I solely watch lck and lpl. I have maybe watched 8 lcs games the last 10 years.
Listening to the documentary with screen turned off.
"One of esport biggest revenue is meteorites"
Me: uh?
exil and this guy's videos are the best lol content on TH-cam
Lebron leaving the Cavaliers showing their fan base makes sense, using lebron with the Lakers makes no sense as the lakers were bigger than lebron before he stepped foot there
Usa doesnt have talent cause there is a big big mindset and cultural issue in the entire region. Na is only a top region when they are the only ones competing.
"Playing solo queue everyday takes a toll on streamers."
Yeah look at Dantes.
Bro excedrin is for migraines it doesn’t effect your mental state lol. It doesn’t get you high at all
a very well-produced video, 10/10
Generally Americans earn more than Europeans, both average and median. So it makes sense
They might be paid more... but still worse than EU and Korea....
so get paid double the amount of money and still play like shit? dayum i'm going to na to be a "pro" player
tsm wants to be the face of league esports but for me thats vaevictus gaming because it reminds me of my own games
NA is the dream league to retire, play like shit, no competition. Earn millions
Love your content. Love these documentaries and your previous informative videos as well.
People just wana work with people they like - so you are refering to the Germans?
I love watching LCS, but the fan base is so fucking toxic.
Ye but this is so lame still a like
The ladies voice needed to be equalized to the rest of the audio, you made her seem annoying
summary they get more money cuz they have less ethics attracting more sponsors