This substitue teacher who looked very young said she got stopped by hall monitors pretty often when she subbed at high schools. She started carrying around a coffee mug even though she didnt drink coffee and she never got bothered again.
@@neilfromcork That's awesome! I'm not of the opinion that it can't happen, just most folks in the working world don't have that option or we would take it. In support of Gladwell's point - most of the people I've hired who interviewed the best turned out to actually be the worst, just very good at talking themselves up.
I have a phone interview coming up. I’ve never done one before and it scares me a bit. I watched this thinking it would give me tips on how to be successful in a phone interview. It taught me much more than that. I haven’t seen anything quite as interesting since Dick Cavett. Thank you. I subscribed immediately.
Skavalan is one of the very few, who asks the right questions and good questions, taking his lead from what the guests say,and that is why I enjoy his show so much
4:00 This is a fundamental misunderstanding of extroversion/introversion anyway. Being an introvert does not mean you necessarily are bad at social interactions.
It's also an ad hominem. People seem to think that someone cannot produce a valid point (after 6 years of research mind you) if their personality does not perfectly conform with the point they're making.
True what you're saying, but I think he also wanted to point out, that extroverts on average have more interactions than introverts on average (which certainly fits with the definitions of these two terms), which would mean that measured in "time spent on" extroverts would have more experience in interacting with strangers.
Goes against communications theory which says that the more factors you factor in, the better the communication; and even Sven said in the interview, you know more when you meet them and begin working with them. Trial periods are the answer. www.powerfullytransforming.com
I wish we had shows like this in America. Real discussions with interesting people who have something to teach us. No one talking over each other. No one interrupting to make a stupid joke then cutting to a commercial break. This is how television should be.
I like the Commonwealth Club and Politics and Prose, plus the Joe Rogan show. I know not a nightly show, but still. I miss Charlie Rose and wish he hadn't gone astray. I can't fathom why he did it when he could have had lots of women who weren't interns.
I don't understand why would want shows like this in America, when you can just watch these ones? America could never have a show like this because, as a product of its environment, it would eventually end up like an American talkshow, with guests throwing jugs of water at the host or whatever
@Jaime Alonzo I know that you're from Latin America and that for you America means North America + South America, but in the English speaking world, America means the USA. When talking about North America, we say North America, when talking about South America, we say South America, and when talking about both continents together, we say the Americas. But just plain America means the USA.
@Jaime Alonzo Absolutely not, and it's not my logic, it's every native English speaker's logic. The name of the country is United States of America. They were named that way in honor of Amerigo Vespucci, the same person who got the continents named after him. Also South America was discovered slightly later, and it took a long time before they could draw proper maps and realized that North and South America were two different continents, so until they did, they just called the whole thing America. This name doesn't apply to the continents anymore, at least not in English.
I'm a fan of MG and his books are all interesting and raise great questions, but in all of them he grossly oversimplifies to the point of losing meaning. This latest work is no exception. A perceptive person can indeed learn a lot from a face-to-face interview. It's not just looking at the obvious stuff such as posture, handshake, clothing, etc, but reading between the lines. There are subtleties such as what someone is trying to convince you of, where they are putting their energy, possibly in an attempt to divert you from something else. Do certain questions frustrate them and produce an emotional response, etc. There are people who are proven experts at detecting lies and liars with results to back up their claims. MG's assertions only apply to imperceptive and unintelligent people who base their decisions about other people on the superficial.
Yes, he certainly oversimplifies A LOT. If the books were too serious they wouldn't have appeal to the mass market as they do. They would be too dry and too complicated.
Gladwell is making the excellent point that very accomplished and intelligent people ( like Neville Chamberlain ) can completely misread other people despite numerous face-to-face encounters. I don't think he really tried to imply that ALL interviews are completely useless - just that they were very overrated in terms of the efficiency of the evaluation.
@EpicColorMaker No, it's saying something like the opposite: that an assumption does exist regarding association between greater intelligence and better perception of human behavior, but this assumption is at least flawed and may be wholly incorrect.
I love this show - so friendly and intelligent. And I could so relate to Malcolm's interpretation of the way Slavlan would There's a giggle here even underneath the giggles - that we all agree to living in a sort of a hallucination - that the customs people pretend to look for drugs in our baggage, that smugglers can simply wear a suit and be automatically assessed as honorable - that we all play this game and agree to the hallucination. What are we doing? What are the reasons behind what we do - what are the beliefs? Why is the customs guy checking our baggage? Who is he - why do we allow him? We are always buying into belief systems. What is the belief system that underlies our strange behavior?
expression of emotion is a cultural thing. Italians or Americans exaggerate their emotions. The british suppress their emotions and are understated. There was a case in the US where an english nanny was accused of killing the baby and it was widely reported that she was not expressing enough emotion and the public condemned her for that.
8:38 This is kind of funny. The first Gladwell book I read was Blink, which is all about how our snap judgements are often right, and right in ways we don't totally comprehend.
Silent Grove In an interview with a British journalist recently Gladwell stated people should be free to change their minds as more evidence comes to light over time about a subject. He said what he wrote about years ago is subject to change as something evolves, to the point he may change his mind about what he wrote. I hope that helps you understand where he is coming from.
On the "what if the book was written by an extrovert" topic, well actually the advice in most books of the sort is indeed "just be yourself", "be confident", "show genuine interest" repeated over and over and over sooo...
"Any conclusion I draw about watching people for a few minutes on television is false." I don't buy into job interview, or resumes. If you want to hire me, if you want to work with me, along side of me, there's only one way: spend time with me. #TalkingToStrangers
We don´t have shows like this in Austria which is a shame because first, we deserve and need that and we had good talk-tv in the past, for instance "Club 2" which was a highly admired show in the 70es and 80es with mostly german speaking guests of course. I have to agree with the user "the egg". In talkshows the hosts often think they have to entertain the people with funny anecdotes, jokes. The guests often get interrupted by answering a question. This show is entertaining too but on a very different level. I think it reflects what we centraleuropeans think about skandinavian society pretty good.
The point is that all those things are easily deceived. Like his example, a person might be lying, or they might be under-confident, you can't tell. Likewise a confident person is highly likely to be incompetent - look up the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Talking with strangers can be an important phase of getting to know them. But don't just listen to their words. Look at their actions because actions speak louder than words. Sometimes the other person's written words - as was brought out in the discussion about Neville Chamberlain and Adolph Hitler - is a much better indicator of their motives and intentions than a face-to-face meeting. For example, compare Trump's presidential tweets with his actual public interviews. He is a very angry person when he tweets, but tones it down when he has a conversation with others. However, his actions are indicative of his actual mindset.
Well, after all, he is a populist political figure,m not exactly in the vein of Will Rogers, but you know what I'm getting at. The opposite of whatever charisma Obama may or may not have.
I once got a job, via Skype, based primarily upon my looks. Then my social skills were factored in. Then they trained me on their set of job skill requirements.
I agree with the face to face interview stance, the best jobs I have gotten have been over the phone, when I have turned up a job face to face interview (even after good first telephone interviews) I am treated disrespectfully and sometimes, respectfully dismissed. I am black, and that has a lot to do with it. In case you're wondering in those jobs that I have turned up after being accepted 8 times out of 10 I could I tell if there was trepidation or disappointment.
How come if a person says they are introverted, other people tend to act like that person must be strange or weird??? I'm introverted, all that really means is I tend to be quieter and I really think before I say something. I still like social interactions but I prefer talking to people one to one than being in a group. If it was just the 2 of them talking , I bet Malcolm would have opened up more and might have come across totally different than being in a group dynamic.
I'm not sure if you are familiar with what "flow" state is, but I think figuring out if your intro/extraverted has something to do with how easily you get into that flow state talking to groups of strangers. I've found complete extroverts almost get tunnel vision in a group setting, where it's nearly impossible to even interact at a one-on-one level when they're in the zone. When groups of people get this "tunnel vision", it's like they're throwing their attention together into one big pile, as a subconscious way of keeping everybody on the same page. It also seems like the idea of being a "matched" person has something to do with it, because it allows others to essentially read your mind without asking, which is necessary to have a strong group dynamic. When an introvert comes along, and, not being in the flow state, says something that isn't on the shared page, it throws the energy of the entire flow off because the group now has to refocus. It's difficult for introverts to switch gears into this shared mindspace, so they view socializing as simply taking turns trading perspectives, instead of sharing the same one at the same time like extroverts do. This is why arguments kill parties, and it's also why extraverts see introverts as boring, because introverts can only think what they think and can't be compatible with the simultaneous perspective. Thus, being "stuck in their shell."
It also depends what is being talked about. Introverts can talk about subjects they like for hours. But they tend to be more specific, more niche or even nerdy.
This guy has me in stitches: 11.18: "Think about how much better served Chamberlain would have been if he stayed home in the Prime Minister's house, and just read Mein Kampf. (Instead of flying to Germany and meeting Hitler in person).... I mean the man wrote a book about what he wanted to do!" (And it wasn't about peace)
Skavlan, Are you familiar with the recently released book Everyone is an Einstein; and There is an Einstein in Everyone: The Constitution of Genius by author Benjamin Michael? It's a very compelling read!
6:20 this is exactly whats breaking down in our society. It is literally becoming what hes describing here. People are not trusting experts at the cost of their lives.
Skavlan, I'm an American, and I just wanted to say that I've enjoyed your interview with Dr. Jordan Peterson and Malcolm Gladwell. I can't quite put my finger on how your interviews differ from those here in the U.S., but it's good stuff. Keep it going.
What he's saying is mostly true, but I think he's overestimating his own conclusions. Because a methodology will sometimes be wrong because someone is miss-matched, that doesn't mean that the methodology isn't going to work on a useful majority of people. It just means that you shouldn't consider it the be-all-end-all way to judge people.
Many, many people I've seen are remarkable at picking up cues about another human's personality and character traits simply by spending a few moments with them. I do suspect that Gladwell is simply (funnily enough) unable to understand this because as stated, he himself is terrible at understanding other humans. This is not at all an absolute for every person. What's more, if you are intuitively great at this or do it a good deal of time, you will come to see through mixed signals of those people who aren't "matched." It stands that the more inclined one is to meeting strangers/new people the more experience you gain at themes and commonalities among 'types' of people, the easier it is for you to understand "who" you're dealing with, in short order. Gladwell's work always seems just off the mark for me. The man is Intelligent as all get out. He just often speaks in hyperbole. Which rarely works well when it comes to humans.
J5L5M6 you can have good intuitions, but don’t be too overconfident in your ability to read people. I agree with Gladwells point in the end that as he gets older he’s trusting his intuition less and less. I’ve realized that much of what I see about others can be different based on my internal state. Even people you’ve known for a long time you will misjudge over and over. In terms of business deals and other choices you have to try your best and be practical. The main thing is to look for major practical concerns and watch out for major red flags.
How can you tell between a bad liar and an under-confident person? How can you tell whether a person's confidence is warranted? A brief face-to-face helps *nothing* with these.
@@gracefool, well there is, you know, having a conversation, and stuff... Perhaps it's of no use to you. The most direct form of human communication is typically face to face. If you prefer to utilize less for your understanding of another person, or don't personally find it a benefit, you're at liberty to go on with less.
@@J5L5M6 I prefer face-to-face. But I keep these caveats in mind, I try to downplay what my gut says, since it's only telling me what they believe on some level, not the truth. Though I agree with Gladwell that for some uses, face-to-face may do more harm than good.
You can run, Malcolm, but you cannot hide forever. The One will find you, and then you'll be lost to us for a while. It's okay. Just keep writing. Keep shining. Keep caring about us all so very much. Thank you for your work.
You need a face to face interview cause you also judge people by your Gut feelings and Malcom gladwell himself mentioned this in his book "The tipping point"!
No, the reason the Italian police thought Knox committed the crime is because they are at best willfully incompetent and at worst, criminally negligent.
Gladwell basically repackages other people's research. They invited him to a data science conference as a keynotes speaker and people complained because he has no interest in hard science.
@@kumquatmagoo He also doesn't fully understand the research he takes. Check out Anders Ericsson's "10,000 rule" which Ericsson said that Gladwell has misrepresented.
Meh, depends on how good of a read you are of other people. I can pick up all sorts of things about people from across the room. So yes, phone interview first but in person brings another layer!
Clauce Micro that reminds me of a story the artist Ron English told - when he was young and broke, he’d take an empty guitar case and go to the back door at a concert hall and they’d let him in, assuming he was one of the roadies
In Korea, you don't have to smuggle anything, because you can just bring your own food and drinks if you want to. It's very civilized. They sell the usual crap, sodas, popcorn and candy, but also coffee and beer. Not as much candy actually
He is a clever chap but would you really not trust your instinct? It has been there since the dawn of man, for his survival. And it comes in handy very much so. Even animals trust their instinct.
Malcolm Gladwell's books are about counter-intuitive ideas. Sometimes what people know is just wrong. You see the sun rising, but it doesn't explain how the earth goes around the sun, spinning around every day.
@@naturalphilosophy6194 I have his book Blink I like the way he thinks . I'm really open to contradicting myself, as most creative people are. But I'll check his book out for sure.
@@buddha8910 Even if you don't change your mind, I appreciate your open-mindedness. I almost think that quality is more important than being right these days.
Shame my Wife is a super intelligent introverted lady🌹🌹 most beautiful person I have ever met..., 😂 me have to talk n share.... she has nothing to prove, so grounded and free in herself 🌹
Wait, what? I hadn't heard about that. Oh. It's not what you think it is. "I was invited to the TED conference in maybe 2000 (I can’t remember), and they promised to buy me a plane ticket to California,” Gladwell says now. “Then at the last minute they said, ‘We found you a ride on a private plane instead.’ As I recall, there were maybe two dozen TED conferencegoers onboard. I don’t remember much else, except being slightly baffled as to who this Epstein guy was and why we were all on his plane."
Jeremy Streich don’t cha just hate it when your on your way to give a speech about the importance of eye contact to a bunch of dead-eyed, California tech creeps. But before you know it you get swept onto the private plane of the most notorious child rapist in the world? Simple misunderstanding
@DarthYuYevon I feel like women are not that judgmental compared to men. I know there are jobs I didn't get because the men probably thought I was ugly. Women dont discriminate against men.
@DarthYuYevon Is lesbian, bisexual and a feminist supposed to be an insult?l Lol. You are 40 years late for that my man! First of all I am a straight woman and a feminist. I said I feel like women are not judgmental because I dont know what every woman thinks. However, it is obvious that men love to hire women that they find attractive regardless of whether the position requires her to be attractive or not and women hire men based on their abilities and not on their looks. In case you haven't noticed most successful men are not exactly attractive.
@DarthYuYevon "It (the lesbian/bisexual feminist) represents a segment of the population who fit in the highly xenophobic category?" Last time I checked, the people with xenophobia happened to be mostly straight males. So your 'theory' doesn't make any sense at all. Sounds like something someone who hates gays and women would say. You know, like someone unenlightened. "A Feminist woman who is actually truly straight is quite rare?" LOL! Again another false 'theory'. Feminism is the political, social and economic equality of the sexes thus a feminist is a person, male/female who advocates for such thing and this way of thinking is not just limited to non-straight women only. In fact most women are actually feminists because there are not that many women who like to be treated less than the opposite sex. People, mostly men, who fit into the 'highly sexist category' are the ones who can't see or understand much beyond their group. They are very unenlightened folks or deplorable.
He spoke of hiring an assistant. Nothing to do with himself being interviewed. Well known authors usually had a number of jobs throughout the years before they found success. The point was that how someone presents themselves and how they look in a short interview doesn’t represent their true personality and character.
MG hasn't spent much time in Germany. Germans are totally "mismatched" in that they hardly ever display what an American would expect for emotions on their faces. Exhibit A: Marlene Dietrich. We Americans consider faces like stadium scoreboards to be a desirable characteristic. Germans don't share that belief and often find us over-the-top.
good point but most of this is definitely within respective cultures, like how americans would judge an american and a german would judge a german. every culture would be "mismatched" when judged by another culture because social norms are different everywhere.
Something about the camera angles on this show always makes me think the woman across from the man speaking is into him.....but I doubt this to be true (sorry Malcolm)
I switched off at the 'strange Italian police head' (ho, ho, ho). Was it the Italian-ness that was strange, the police-ness, or just the head? Would the sentiment be less strange if coming from a British police head, a German police head, or an American police head? Coming from a strange American geek head it was carrying the weight of too much irony to support it. My response to Amanda Knox is that she may well have been entirely innocent, but what person cannot manage a small effort (even a totally formal expression) to look a bit upset at the death of someone they were supposed to know, even a little? Mr Gladwell is an ace salesman for the repackaged commonplace observation, giving it neat labels ('matched') and presenting it as a novel discovery.. I'm still waiting for him to say something even mildly revolutionary-or mildly useful. By now I've had far too much of the Gladwells and Petersons and their shiny aphorisms and labels. I prefer those teams of scientists, working away in silence and anonymity, and solving some real problems.
My favourite show (also to learn Swedish) and your guests keep getting better. I love Gladwell‘s books for many years! Cheers from Switzerland!
We're very glad to hear that - thank you!
This substitue teacher who looked very young said she got stopped by hall monitors pretty often when she subbed at high schools. She started carrying around a coffee mug even though she didnt drink coffee and she never got bothered again.
Stilleto heels would do the trick as well.
I feel like every person would avoid job interviews if that were an option.
More unattractive people would get hired.
@@mangumangoo More introverts would get hired.
I got my current job from my resumé, no interview. I've been really successful at it and my boss is really happy with the hire.
@@neilfromcork That's awesome! I'm not of the opinion that it can't happen, just most folks in the working world don't have that option or we would take it. In support of Gladwell's point - most of the people I've hired who interviewed the best turned out to actually be the worst, just very good at talking themselves up.
You're funny I like you.
Excellent interview and thoroughly enjoyable program always! Thank you for posting. Keep up the excellent standard. :) Greetings from Canada.
Thank you so much, Emma! We appreciate it.
I have a phone interview coming up. I’ve never done one before and it scares me a bit. I watched this thinking it would give me tips on how to be successful in a phone interview. It taught me much more than that. I haven’t seen anything quite as interesting since Dick Cavett. Thank you. I subscribed immediately.
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If said it before, im saying it now and ill say it in the future Skavlan, you are an excellent interviewer. Salutations from me in Ireland
Skavalan is one of the very few, who asks the right questions and good questions, taking his lead from what the guests say,and that is why I enjoy his show so much
4:00 This is a fundamental misunderstanding of extroversion/introversion anyway. Being an introvert does not mean you necessarily are bad at social interactions.
@Black Brit Exactly. Introverts are very good at observing and countless studies show are better at reading people.
True; not necessarily bad, but it sure helps me!
It's also an ad hominem. People seem to think that someone cannot produce a valid point (after 6 years of research mind you) if their personality does not perfectly conform with the point they're making.
True what you're saying, but I think he also wanted to point out, that extroverts on average have more interactions than introverts on average (which certainly fits with the definitions of these two terms), which would mean that measured in "time spent on" extroverts would have more experience in interacting with strangers.
I love this format, the interviewer is not interrupting every 5 seconds, and when someone does comment its salient
I’m Oklahoma & your conversation with Malcolm encouraged me to subscribe to this channel, I hope that you won’t disappoint.
Fascinating conversation. I can relate being an introvert myself.
Love the bit about the face to face interview. I totally agree with Malcolm!
Goes against communications theory which says that the more factors you factor in, the better the communication; and even Sven said in the interview, you know more when you meet them and begin working with them. Trial periods are the answer. www.powerfullytransforming.com
I wish we had shows like this in America. Real discussions with interesting people who have something to teach us. No one talking over each other. No one interrupting to make a stupid joke then cutting to a commercial break. This is how television should be.
I like the Commonwealth Club and Politics and Prose, plus the Joe Rogan show. I know not a nightly show, but still. I miss Charlie Rose and wish he hadn't gone astray. I can't fathom why he did it when he could have had lots of women who weren't interns.
The Egg check out the joe Rogan podcast
I don't understand why would want shows like this in America, when you can just watch these ones? America could never have a show like this because, as a product of its environment, it would eventually end up like an American talkshow, with guests throwing jugs of water at the host or whatever
@Jaime Alonzo I know that you're from Latin America and that for you America means North America + South America, but in the English speaking world, America means the USA. When talking about North America, we say North America, when talking about South America, we say South America, and when talking about both continents together, we say the Americas. But just plain America means the USA.
@Jaime Alonzo Absolutely not, and it's not my logic, it's every native English speaker's logic. The name of the country is United States of America. They were named that way in honor of Amerigo Vespucci, the same person who got the continents named after him. Also South America was discovered slightly later, and it took a long time before they could draw proper maps and realized that North and South America were two different continents, so until they did, they just called the whole thing America. This name doesn't apply to the continents anymore, at least not in English.
There is a reason major orchestras have auditions behind a screen.
David Lucey
Malcom writes about it in BLINK
"What if you're a Customs Officer?"
"You have to accept the fact that your job is impossible."
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I would wager a bet that Gladwell hasn’t had to sit in a job interview in a looooooong time 😂
You read that the wrong way round. He's talking about when he is interviewing candidates for a position. But nice joke, and quite true.
Gladwell despite being an awkward introvert at heart could get almost any job he wanted. His communication skills are excellent.
Indeed, he is a brilliant man, proud to call him a Canadian … I meant no disrespect what so ever❤️🇨🇦
I'm a fan of MG and his books are all interesting and raise great questions, but in all of them he grossly oversimplifies to the point of losing meaning. This latest work is no exception. A perceptive person can indeed learn a lot from a face-to-face interview. It's not just looking at the obvious stuff such as posture, handshake, clothing, etc, but reading between the lines. There are subtleties such as what someone is trying to convince you of, where they are putting their energy, possibly in an attempt to divert you from something else. Do certain questions frustrate them and produce an emotional response, etc. There are people who are proven experts at detecting lies and liars with results to back up their claims. MG's assertions only apply to imperceptive and unintelligent people who base their decisions about other people on the superficial.
Yes, he certainly oversimplifies A LOT. If the books were too serious they wouldn't have appeal to the mass market as they do. They would be too dry and too complicated.
Precisely. Thank you!
Gladwell is making the excellent point that very accomplished and intelligent people ( like Neville Chamberlain ) can completely misread other people despite numerous face-to-face encounters. I don't think he really tried to imply that ALL interviews are completely useless - just that they were very overrated in terms of the efficiency of the evaluation.
@EpicColorMaker No, it's saying something like the opposite: that an assumption does exist regarding association between greater intelligence and better perception of human behavior, but this assumption is at least flawed and may be wholly incorrect.
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I love this show - so friendly and intelligent. And I could so relate to Malcolm's interpretation of the way Slavlan would There's a giggle here even underneath the giggles - that we all agree to living in a sort of a hallucination - that the customs people pretend to look for drugs in our baggage, that smugglers can simply wear a suit and be automatically assessed as honorable - that we all play this game and agree to the hallucination. What are we doing? What are the reasons behind what we do - what are the beliefs? Why is the customs guy checking our baggage? Who is he - why do we allow him? We are always buying into belief systems. What is the belief system that underlies our strange behavior?
0:07 That is perfection
Davy Roger Theres leaked nudes of her all over Google. You’re welcome.
Skorp1o: What?!?! 😮
Who is she
Pete Pablo Norwegian hand ball player.
@@skorp1o369 Name, please.
"I trust my intuition less and less". Yet Gladwell's earlier book BLINK was all about the value and truths that emerge from intuition.
Very interesting guests as always!
expression of emotion is a cultural thing. Italians or Americans exaggerate their emotions. The british suppress their emotions and are understated. There was a case in the US where an english nanny was accused of killing the baby and it was widely reported that she was not expressing enough emotion and the public condemned her for that.
Absolutely brilliant!
I'm so "mismatched" and it's hard. It takes me time to come up with answers.
8:38 This is kind of funny. The first Gladwell book I read was Blink, which is all about how our snap judgements are often right, and right in ways we don't totally comprehend.
I love your show!!! You are incredible!!!
Food for thought. Thank you
Makes me wonder what I do with the research in his book Blink which highlights intuition and its hidden ability within the human psyche.
Silent Grove In an interview with a British journalist recently Gladwell stated people should be free to change their minds as more evidence comes to light over time about a subject. He said what he wrote about years ago is subject to change as something evolves, to the point he may change his mind about what he wrote. I hope that helps you understand where he is coming from.
just because something was published doesnt mean you need to believe it. just use ur critical thinking skills.
Customs officers at the border are like locks on the door; they are very good at keeping out the honest people.
Like locks on the door, they stop the most casual of intruders, so they need a little bit of effort and risk.
On the "what if the book was written by an extrovert" topic, well actually the advice in most books of the sort is indeed "just be yourself", "be confident", "show genuine interest" repeated over and over and over sooo...
Clearly Gladwell should have phoned in to the interview
The lady is awfully gorgeous
"Any conclusion I draw about watching people for a few minutes on television is false." I don't buy into job interview, or resumes. If you want to hire me, if you want to work with me, along side of me, there's only one way: spend time with me.
#TalkingToStrangers
How would that work?
4:21 lessons from years-long book research - we can be quick to judge people
......... wrongly.
PLEASE remove those annoying orange spikes when filming mid-shots, they’re distracting and add nothing to the interviews. Thanks.
+1
Goofy. Feels like youre a stalker.
What a find!
Wasn’t the theory in his previous book Blink that you can trust feelings you get very quickly when talking to people face to face ?
Book-sales trump consistency perhaps.
We don´t have shows like this in Austria which is a shame because first, we deserve and need that and we had good talk-tv in the past, for instance "Club 2" which was a highly admired show in the 70es and 80es with mostly german speaking guests of course. I have to agree with the user "the egg". In talkshows the hosts often think they have to entertain the people with funny anecdotes, jokes. The guests often get interrupted by answering a question. This show is entertaining too but on a very different level. I think it reflects what we centraleuropeans think about skandinavian society pretty good.
Malcom Gladwell at his best !
But what about snap judgments? Alot of information in micro expressions? Gut feelings ?
The point is that all those things are easily deceived. Like his example, a person might be lying, or they might be under-confident, you can't tell. Likewise a confident person is highly likely to be incompetent - look up the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Talking with strangers can be an important phase of getting to know them. But don't just listen to their words. Look at their actions because actions speak louder than words. Sometimes the other person's written words - as was brought out in the discussion about Neville Chamberlain and Adolph Hitler - is a much better indicator of their motives and intentions than a face-to-face meeting. For example, compare Trump's presidential tweets with his actual public interviews. He is a very angry person when he tweets, but tones it down when he has a conversation with others. However, his actions are indicative of his actual mindset.
You underestimate how charming or charismatic or completely normal some absolute madmen and madwomen can sound and appear.
Well, after all, he is a populist political figure,m not exactly in the vein of Will Rogers, but you know what I'm getting at. The opposite of whatever charisma Obama may or may not have.
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I once got a job, via Skype, based primarily upon my looks. Then my social skills were factored in. Then they trained me on their set of job skill requirements.
Interviews are projection /reception barometers. Jobs often require that good people suspend their decency so that their supervisors can benefit.
So unfortunately true.
No, that is when you find another job.
I agree with the face to face interview stance, the best jobs I have gotten have been over the phone, when I have turned up a job face to face interview (even after good first telephone interviews) I am treated disrespectfully and sometimes, respectfully dismissed. I am black, and that has a lot to do with it. In case you're wondering in those jobs that I have turned up after being accepted 8 times out of 10 I could I tell if there was trepidation or disappointment.
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How come if a person says they are introverted, other people tend to act like that person must be strange or weird??? I'm introverted, all that really means is I tend to be quieter and I really think before I say something. I still like social interactions but I prefer talking to people one to one than being in a group. If it was just the 2 of them talking , I bet Malcolm would have opened up more and might have come across totally different than being in a group dynamic.
I'm not sure if you are familiar with what "flow" state is, but I think figuring out if your intro/extraverted has something to do with how easily you get into that flow state talking to groups of strangers. I've found complete extroverts almost get tunnel vision in a group setting, where it's nearly impossible to even interact at a one-on-one level when they're in the zone.
When groups of people get this "tunnel vision", it's like they're throwing their attention together into one big pile, as a subconscious way of keeping everybody on the same page. It also seems like the idea of being a "matched" person has something to do with it, because it allows others to essentially read your mind without asking, which is necessary to have a strong group dynamic. When an introvert comes along, and, not being in the flow state, says something that isn't on the shared page, it throws the energy of the entire flow off because the group now has to refocus.
It's difficult for introverts to switch gears into this shared mindspace, so they view socializing as simply taking turns trading perspectives, instead of sharing the same one at the same time like extroverts do. This is why arguments kill parties, and it's also why extraverts see introverts as boring, because introverts can only think what they think and can't be compatible with the simultaneous perspective. Thus, being "stuck in their shell."
Maybe it’s a locational thing. A lot of people take pride in being introverted at my school
It also depends what is being talked about. Introverts can talk about subjects they like for hours. But they tend to be more specific, more niche or even nerdy.
Also seems to be an undercurrent that extroversion is superior... It's quite bizarre.
Kennedy San Extrovert seems more “normal” because there are more of them.
Interesting info.
The world is not made of "outliers." Especially, if both parties are trying to be open, you can tell a lot in "just half an hour."
This guy has me in stitches: 11.18: "Think about how much better served Chamberlain would have been if he stayed home in the Prime Minister's house, and just read Mein Kampf. (Instead of flying to Germany and meeting Hitler in person).... I mean the man wrote a book about what he wanted to do!" (And it wasn't about peace)
Isn't this a face-to-face interview?
haha
maybe he is secretly arguing he isn't so smart and we shouldn't buy his book based on his tv appearances
He has to do this to promote his books. He isn't doing it for fun.
Skavlan, Are you familiar with the recently released book Everyone is an Einstein; and There is an Einstein in Everyone: The Constitution of Genius by author Benjamin Michael? It's a very compelling read!
6:20 this is exactly whats breaking down in our society. It is literally becoming what hes describing here. People are not trusting experts at the cost of their lives.
Skavlan, I'm an American, and I just wanted to say that I've enjoyed your interview with Dr. Jordan Peterson and Malcolm Gladwell. I can't quite put my finger on how your interviews differ from those here in the U.S., but it's good stuff. Keep it going.
He asks non superficial questions and it isn’t just a mutual self congratulatory exercise aimed to pitch a movie or book. US talk shows are banal.
Of course you can understand a lot of things from the appearance mostly from the eyes !
What he's saying is mostly true, but I think he's overestimating his own conclusions. Because a methodology will sometimes be wrong because someone is miss-matched, that doesn't mean that the methodology isn't going to work on a useful majority of people. It just means that you shouldn't consider it the be-all-end-all way to judge people.
So what percentage are matched vs. mismatched? That will tell you whether it's useful for the majority because honestly I don't know.
The woman on this show is not very well matched.
of course you will go for that poor woman :D
It is not first time in this show.
Awesome.
Many, many people I've seen are remarkable at picking up cues about another human's personality and character traits simply by spending a few moments with them. I do suspect that Gladwell is simply (funnily enough) unable to understand this because as stated, he himself is terrible at understanding other humans. This is not at all an absolute for every person.
What's more, if you are intuitively great at this or do it a good deal of time, you will come to see through mixed signals of those people who aren't "matched." It stands that the more inclined one is to meeting strangers/new people the more experience you gain at themes and commonalities among 'types' of people, the easier it is for you to understand "who" you're dealing with, in short order.
Gladwell's work always seems just off the mark for me. The man is Intelligent as all get out. He just often speaks in hyperbole. Which rarely works well when it comes to humans.
J5L5M6 you can have good intuitions, but don’t be too overconfident in your ability to read people. I agree with Gladwells point in the end that as he gets older he’s trusting his intuition less and less. I’ve realized that much of what I see about others can be different based on my internal state. Even people you’ve known for a long time you will misjudge over and over. In terms of business deals and other choices you have to try your best and be practical. The main thing is to look for major practical concerns and watch out for major red flags.
How can you tell between a bad liar and an under-confident person? How can you tell whether a person's confidence is warranted? A brief face-to-face helps *nothing* with these.
@@gracefool, well there is, you know, having a conversation, and stuff...
Perhaps it's of no use to you. The most direct form of human communication is typically face to face. If you prefer to utilize less for your understanding of another person, or don't personally find it a benefit, you're at liberty to go on with less.
@@J5L5M6 I prefer face-to-face. But I keep these caveats in mind, I try to downplay what my gut says, since it's only telling me what they believe on some level, not the truth.
Though I agree with Gladwell that for some uses, face-to-face may do more harm than good.
You can run, Malcolm, but you cannot hide forever. The One will find you, and then you'll be lost to us for a while. It's okay. Just keep writing. Keep shining. Keep caring about us all so very much. Thank you for your work.
A beautiful and honest show - something we lack in America now because everything has to be politically correct, else someone would be offended
How so true!
She is beautiful. What is her name? Great show BTW, lol.
Why am I terrified of the face of that man??? Weird
You need a face to face interview cause you also judge people by your Gut feelings and Malcom gladwell himself mentioned this in his book "The tipping point"!
No, the reason the Italian police thought Knox committed the crime is because they are at best willfully incompetent and at worst, criminally negligent.
Concurred!
Gladwell basically repackages other people's research. They invited him to a data science conference as a keynotes speaker and people complained because he has no interest in hard science.
And he doesn't hide behind it - he's very open about who he speaks to and whose research he draws on.
@@kumquatmagoo He also doesn't fully understand the research he takes. Check out Anders Ericsson's "10,000 rule" which Ericsson said that Gladwell has misrepresented.
But he does make it very accessible.
Meh, depends on how good of a read you are of other people. I can pick up all sorts of things about people from across the room. So yes, phone interview first but in person brings another layer!
His face. That’s the answer.
That chick is just exploding hot!
Great show!
Thank you so much!
A fríend of mine smuggled nuts and water in a movie theater and no one second-guessed him because he was actually wearing a suit and a briefcase.
Clauce Micro that reminds me of a story the artist Ron English told - when he was young and broke, he’d take an empty guitar case and go to the back door at a concert hall and they’d let him in, assuming he was one of the roadies
Chris Wood Woah, that was bright of him!
In Korea, you don't have to smuggle anything, because you can just bring your own food and drinks if you want to. It's very civilized. They sell the usual crap, sodas, popcorn and candy, but also coffee and beer. Not as much candy actually
He is a clever chap but would you really not trust your instinct? It has been there since the dawn of man, for his survival. And it comes in handy very much so. Even animals trust their instinct.
Read the book. Your points are addressed... and crushed. Good stuff.
Malcolm Gladwell's books are about counter-intuitive ideas. Sometimes what people know is just wrong. You see the sun rising, but it doesn't explain how the earth goes around the sun, spinning around every day.
@@naturalphilosophy6194 I have his book Blink I like the way he thinks . I'm really open to contradicting myself, as most creative people are. But I'll check his book out for sure.
@@buddha8910 Even if you don't change your mind, I appreciate your open-mindedness. I almost think that quality is more important than being right these days.
You seem to have a wide range for what you think instincts are good for
Shame my Wife is a super intelligent introverted lady🌹🌹 most beautiful person I have ever met..., 😂 me have to talk n share.... she has nothing to prove, so grounded and free in herself 🌹
Knox knew something
Azaria chamberlain case australia defines concept matching mismatching in false conviction
For a split 2nd I thought he was the guy from breaking bad who ran the chicken restaurant or whatever and like did the meth stuff.
I’d like to see Gladwell explain what he was doing hanging out with Jefferey Epstein....
Wait, what? I hadn't heard about that. Oh. It's not what you think it is.
"I was invited to the TED conference in maybe 2000 (I can’t remember), and they promised to buy me a plane ticket to California,” Gladwell says now. “Then at the last minute they said, ‘We found you a ride on a private plane instead.’ As I recall, there were maybe two dozen TED conferencegoers onboard. I don’t remember much else, except being slightly baffled as to who this Epstein guy was and why we were all on his plane."
Who wouldn’t say that, though?
@@AwesometownUSA So, guilty until proven innocent?
Jeremy Streich yes. For obviously-guilty cho-mos, yes.
Jeremy Streich don’t cha just hate it when your on your way to give a speech about the importance of eye contact to a bunch of dead-eyed, California tech creeps. But before you know it you get swept onto the private plane of the most notorious child rapist in the world? Simple misunderstanding
I wish every man thought like that. It would be easier for women who are not considered conventionally attractive to get a job.
May Na as well as short men
@DarthYuYevon I feel like women are not that judgmental compared to men. I know there are jobs I didn't get because the men probably thought I was ugly. Women dont discriminate against men.
@DarthYuYevon Is lesbian, bisexual and a feminist supposed to be an insult?l Lol. You are 40 years late for that my man! First of all I am a straight woman and a feminist. I said I feel like women are not judgmental because I dont know what every woman thinks. However, it is obvious that men love to hire women that they find attractive regardless of whether the position requires her to be attractive or not and women hire men based on their abilities and not on their looks. In case you haven't noticed most successful men are not exactly attractive.
@@ajl2232 How do you know for sure its cause they thought you were ugly? You would first have to consider yourself ugly to think that no?
@DarthYuYevon "It (the lesbian/bisexual feminist) represents a segment of the population who fit in the highly xenophobic category?" Last time I checked, the people with xenophobia happened to be mostly straight males. So your 'theory' doesn't make any sense at all. Sounds like something someone who hates gays and women would say. You know, like someone unenlightened.
"A Feminist woman who is actually truly straight is quite rare?" LOL! Again another false 'theory'. Feminism is the political, social and economic equality of the sexes thus a feminist is a person, male/female who advocates for such thing and this way of thinking is not just limited to non-straight women only. In fact most women are actually feminists because there are not that many women who like to be treated less than the opposite sex.
People, mostly men, who fit into the 'highly sexist category' are the ones who can't see or understand much beyond their group. They are very unenlightened folks or deplorable.
God...trust your instincts
Instincts are only useful as a short-term safety measure. In the long term you'll find that your first impressions are often mistaken.
That is a bad advice
Because extremely well known authors know what it's like to interview for a job?
He spoke of hiring an assistant. Nothing to do with himself being interviewed. Well known authors usually had a number of jobs throughout the years before they found success. The point was that how someone presents themselves and how they look in a short interview doesn’t represent their true personality and character.
But I suck at phone interviews
An introvert claiming that you can't get useful information from face-to-face interviews. I am shocked.
Please tell Paul McCartney to HELP! An Octopus's Garden! Le Film.
He doesn't seem to be an introvert
whats with the stare by this lady 2:17 (she's hot)
MG hasn't spent much time in Germany. Germans are totally "mismatched" in that they hardly ever display what an American would expect for emotions on their faces. Exhibit A: Marlene Dietrich. We Americans consider faces like stadium scoreboards to be a desirable characteristic. Germans don't share that belief and often find us over-the-top.
good point but most of this is definitely within respective cultures, like how americans would judge an american and a german would judge a german. every culture would be "mismatched" when judged by another culture because social norms are different everywhere.
@LagiNaLangAko23 Just go and live there seven years like I did and you'll see what I mean. They can come across like Vulcans.
@@vonBottorff They are blunt,glib,& cold blooded😐
@@pamspencer5733 Who, Vulcans or Germans? Either group, once you get to know them, you love them.
@@vonBottorff LOL,let's agree to disagree..I prefer a Mutt,best temperments🐩
This latest book feels like a repudiation of his earlier book Blink.
Glad well says that himself - also they are different types of experience. You need to ready both books carefully to fully understand it.
But Stalin believed Hitler wouldn't attack the USSR and, even when Operation Barbarossa was launched, still doubted it.
“Strange Italian police head”. He should look in a mirror. Talk about mismatched.
Ok then Jimmy Fallon is mismatched.
I was thinking the same thing
True
W met Putin and “saw into his soul”…
dat ass!!!!
Hold on there, Malcolm. Intuitive people can't smell a rat? And isn't smelling rats only doable in person?
No, you can do it over the phone as well. It's not as easy but there are vocal behavioral patterns just as there are physical ones.
@@thenellierose But easier with the physical cues which belie when they're full of it.
Something about the camera angles on this show always makes me think the woman across from the man speaking is into him.....but I doubt this to be true (sorry Malcolm)
Random Sven-Göran Eriksson lol
Honest to Christ, I had no idea who mumble mouth was introducing.
Isn't it obvious?
1:21 "...I'm trying to lie with you..." Shouldn't that be "...lie TO you..."? Sounds like a sexual proposition.
The cost of being human.
I switched off at the 'strange Italian police head' (ho, ho, ho). Was it the Italian-ness that was strange, the police-ness, or just the head? Would the sentiment be less strange if coming from a British police head, a German police head, or an American police head? Coming from a strange American geek head it was carrying the weight of too much irony to support it. My response to Amanda Knox is that she may well have been entirely innocent, but what person cannot manage a small effort (even a totally formal expression) to look a bit upset at the death of someone they were supposed to know, even a little?
Mr Gladwell is an ace salesman for the repackaged commonplace observation, giving it neat labels ('matched') and presenting it as a novel discovery.. I'm still waiting for him to say something even mildly revolutionary-or mildly useful. By now I've had far too much of the Gladwells and Petersons and their shiny aphorisms and labels. I prefer those teams of scientists, working away in silence and anonymity, and solving some real problems.