He couldn't even mention Carlos Mencia. He's always full of shit whenever there's a risk of any sort of bad publicity like perhaps another comic talking shit at him and making digs into his unfunny stand up.
Brilliant analysis: * Western = no law and order - vigilante justice - Jack Reacher * Eastern = is law & order but with bad cops gets reformed from within - Serpico * Southern = system is corrupt - reformer is an outsider - John Grisham * Northern = law & order system works - Sherlock Holmes - Law & Order
Daniel Endy well that’s not recognizing that just having a show called law and order implies that law or order actually exists to give the hopeless hope that though there’s no justice for most Americans someone out there got justice. So you poor schmucks can just take personal responsibility for anything and everything and the penalties but someone got through and got justice. Or everyone hopes for one that matches the right criteria we can all cheer to get justice or not. But we can’t apply justice. No one is qualified except special people. Who are absolutely not corrupt and cannot be prosecuted with the same evidence if not more that they have against you. That’s why they have cases that are precedent. Everyone else loses but one case made it. And just because you didn’t have that criteria or did and couldn’t get an attorney someone’s justice is the democracy promise. So keep paying taxes and go to jail or hide in retail jobs to ensure they take the tax before you can ever touch it and they still find fault. It’s the mafia algorithm.
There actually have been Law and Order episodes where the bad guys get away with it. I remember one particularly, where a wife framed her husband for murder. The husband came to that realization in the closing minutes of the episode and nobody, including the protagonists, believed him. The final shot was of the wife smiling evilly as he was found guilty.
That's still the system working for the feminists and elites. The evil man gets his just desserts as the intelligent woman gets her revenge for some imagined crime he allegedly committed to her.
Is that the one where the wife pretended to be paralyzed in a wheelchair and the closing scene was her walking down a snowy Manhattan street? That episode was one of the most chilling.
Anytime I hear someone mention the ending of No Country For Old Men, it brings me back to seeing it in theaters and my quadriplegic uncle yelling “what the fuck” in a room full of silent people as soon as the credits rolled
At first I was like ... Wait what ? So Anton just leaves and thats it ? But yeah , I dont know why I was expecting something more epic than the bad guy simply not getting caught , in a way its like zodiac film , sometimes real stories dont go further than "whos the bad guy ?" Weve got no idea
What was uncomfortable about that whole Carlos Mencia thing watching it was I was half expecting Joe to beat the snot out of him. I would have been fine with that, but Hollywood would have ostracized Joe over it and turned Carlos into the victim.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 it will be one those scientists he interviews that 'try' Joe Rogan, Stephen Hawkings would have challenged him to fight then & there, no way for Rogan to win,
Yeah in CSI they act like they are super intelligent and that all police have access to the latest technology Oh and randomly hit button on a computer can have amazing results
Been saying this for years. That the cop and lawyer shows are propaganda designed to make the general audience have a good opinion of the justice system. Police are your friends, and we get the bad guys and they always get what they deserve.
I disagree. Most crime shows portray police that are constant violators of even the most basic tenets of constitutional rights. They also convey this false narrative that lead people to think certain things about the legal process. Like this ongoing belief that an arrest is invalid, under all circumstances, unless Miranda is read to the arrestee.
My high school English teacher told us that Star Wars was a Western, and I’ve never looked at movies the same way since. This is a great working theory.
Star Wars is medieval fantasy. Swords and Sorcery. Knights, Princesses, and even an evil wizard usurping the power of the (galactic) throne. Even if this theory holds water, there are cops everywhere in the form of Stormtroopers. English teacher got it wrong just because it started in a desert, IMO.
It's a space opera, not a western. At least the original six. Some say there is more Star Wars films but I dont recognize them. Watched the dogshit called Force Awakens, not gonna waste my time with any of these disney nonsense Star Wars.
@@flasha29 True... but it's sort of evolving into an Eastern right? I mean John Wick is going up against the system that raised him and turned him into the man he is today. He's kind of like a Serpico of the criminal/hitman underground.
Yeah - episodes with a horrific ending are such a cliche that the Community parody of Law and Order ends with a beloved character unexpectedly getting killed... and that's the COMEDY take on the show! Joe and Malcolm seem to be the kings of pontificating on crap they know next to nothing about.
@@cinnamonsinner4619 bitch whats next. Your gonna call a 20 year old an old man from watching SVU after school? I'VE TAKEN IT FROM FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT I WILL NOT TAKE FROM A MAN FROM THE INTERNET! FUCK THIS!!!
I don't know how I came to recently discover Joe Rogan but I have been capitvated by his interviews which are more like conversations. He is a great listener and that is why he is so successful. Watching this, because I am such a huge Malcolm Gladwell fan, just solidifies my opinion of both. Way to go Joe!
Look back after interviews. It used to be whoever Joe wanted. Now he's on Spotify he's being used to create a narrative with the guests. So lately it's been all farfetched mad theories people. stuff thatd making everyone question everything at all times and fear it all. There was never a running theme He's never had an agenda but this speculative easily debunked nonsense guest's all at once. There trying to fuck his credibility
@@AndySalinger33 Being spineless is no virtue. But refraining from needlessly bringing up names, talking behind a Mans back, and stirring up drama is definitely is a virtue. Youll get there one day, you still just need a few years to grow up and mature
@paula Yes I know what he meant and I also know he watches the show. How could he have a detailed theory as to why people watch it? I am sure he comes home some times and wants to see something mindless and it is on and he watches it. Shows I don't watch I may have heard the name but that is about it.
Unpopular opinion : Amy Schumer really isn't that bad. I watched that last special of hers where she's pregnant and she talks about her autistic husband and I was trying not to like her but she was actually pretty funny
A Button Athlete So that means he doesn’t like the themes of Law and Order, and he does like the themes in Grisham novels. And then he explains what those themes are
I love Malcom Gladwell! His books are life-changing. It’s all about recognizing the patterns all around us and changing our perceptions. They’ve helped me tremendously.
I’ve read two of his books. They are kind of useless other than being entertaining because he explores what is behind the behaviors of the masses. Doesn’t change anything. The masses still behave the way they will. Tipping point gives explanation to the obvious but gives no insight on controlling it or changing it. He simply explains it with examples. It’s good reading. But it’s nothing more than entertainment. His hook is “see what secrets I’ve researched and how they open your mind.”. The reality is, if I’d never have read the books, I would know less about stuff that doesn’t matter anyway.
Rob Gallagher you mean the ending where the old man accepts the fact his country has moved on, and he has no place in it? sounds like the ending is a reference to the title.
jz's son For whatever reason, the Coen’s decided to omit the end of the novel. It ends with Chigurh confronting the actual owner of the money. It’s pretty legit.
I like cozy mysteries. The reason I like them is because it's about human nature and solving a puzzle and it's something that's not stressful you can watch during the week. It's like knitting, it doesn't stir up stress and actually is relaxing. Now I'm not sitting there riveted by cozy mysteries unless it's a particularly well written one. I save really good shows or movies for the weekend or when I'm more up for it.
Lol right... certainly not mind blowing when it was literally the FIRST thing I thought after watching this horribly stupid show. Hes right about only women watching too. My boys gf can binge that shit for 4+ hours at a time. I'd rather get repeatedly kicked in the balls than watch that dog shit. EDIT: 'Mainly' women watching I sit corrected - my boy admits he watches w/ her sometimes. My mountain of respect for him just got blasted by an asteroid lol
Padraig O'Hagan he knows he can’t just call out people. And that’s rude. Like I don’t like Tom papa or Jim Gaffigan, but I don’t like jokes about fast food. They aren’t better or worse than people that talk about poop or sex all day.
I just have to say, it's been interesting to me to watch Joe kind of mature over the years. You don't realize how much he's changed unless you go back & watch some of the older stuff. I appreciate that he keeps an open mind and is very self-aware.
Jay Berkovitz idk what you’re talking bout. I’m just saying there’s way more comedians using the same jokes with different delivery than Amy. It has become popular to rip on her. I
04:58 "The show Law & Order ... is a functioning apparatus of justice which reliably and accurately produces ummm... the correct result in confronting criminality every single day" Gladwell picked the wrong crime show as an example here. Law & Order is one of the few crime shows where sometimes the bad guy got away with his crime. And the show explained why that happened. That show doesn't produce "the correct result in confronting criminality every single day". The police fail. Then the prosecutors fail. The police didn't have a search warrant, the warrant was for another location, the police got permission to enter the premises from the wrong guy etc. Law & Order was one of the better crime shows. The good guys didn't always win. Sometimes they lost. Because of a legal technicality. (The warrant was for storage space #42, but the police entered storage space #2 on row 4 etc)
If this is less than 10% of the total historical canon of shows for LAO then it’s kind of your fault for taking his terminology literally. Most people of sound mind can tell when something exaggerated is exaggerated. If the show has between 20 and 30% of these outcomes then you tow the line of being right to call him out. If the show is 50/50 or more then you we’ll in your right to criticize the now understood misinformation he based his own interpretation on. Also, I’m sure you know a lot more about the shows than he does since he probably is too smart to be watching that stuff consistently so maybe you are right and you know a ton more about this show than he does. Wouldn’t call it a bragging position to be in considering we are talking about subjective classification of fictional tv shows and not the percentage accuracy of one’s recollection of a specific fictional tv show in relation to his own created subjective categories. Basically I think you missed the whole point of his thought experiment that he was sharing that you never would think of in your life and should be glad someone gave you a lens to watch new fictional dramas through and to better question what you are watching and why and how it is relevant in your life and why you dedicate precious time resources to watch this stuff when it is time you will never get back.
@@zncvmxbv4027 You thought he made some amazing observation? It's called a "shower thought," lol. Also, watching TV doesn't mean a person is any less intelligent. You went off typing out a book to some rando, insulting him about wasting time. Yet you don't even see the irony, lol.
Future house cleaner Neo westerns tend to be crime dramas in a western setting. Like Hell or Highwater. It might not be by Gladwell’s definition but I consider it one
British might like Northerns. Until it comes to Ian Rankin. Rebus is definitely of the Eastern variety: system is corrupt and Rebus is an insider working to be righteous despite it, but not necessarily affecting change. Read Ian Rankin. He's great. And so is Rebus. Another one is Ken Bruen's disgraced Guarda officer, Jack Taylor. Rebus is Scottish and Taylor is Irish. Lee Child is British. Maybe that accounts for his rebellion against the Northern device. Hmmm.
I don't know if you ever have read any of them but even if your someone who doesn't usually read books, the "Jack Reacher" novels are great. The story will suck you in right at the beginning and keep you wanting to read.
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As a LIFE LONG viewer of L&O SVU and the original, I can factually say he is completely INCORRECT about the show. There are numerous episodes that end on a sad note. No happy ending. And many where the killer gets away with murder.
This guy clearly hasn’t watched Law and Order. The show regularly operates in shades of gray. Whether it’s the cops using questionably moral methods of finding their suspect or evidence or the DA using legal loop holes to help prosecute criminals. And then sometimes the criminal isn’t necessarily a bad guy just did a bad thing. I can’t speak for SVU or any other versions but the original Law and Order is a great effing show.
SVU used to do that with Benson & Stabler. Always operating in varying shades of gray, pushing the limits of what they are supposed to be legally doing. It’s still kinda like that, but Benson is a bit of a superhero now & her damn son is in the show too much for a 4 year old. The other detectives personal problems are realistic to a degree, but ridiculous as well.
All police shows in general are propoganda to make normal american try and explain themselves to the police without a lawyer present. That the only way most cases have a shot in court.
@@jer.z.3691 naw man....if anything I've learned to shut up and only say one word : lawyer. Joe is right, people like to see the "bad" guy get his, even if once in a while the "bad" guy is the cop, D.A, etc.
@@zeebosa4878 I started watching svu from the very 1st season in october last year.Keep in mind each season is 19-25 45 min episodes.And now I'm on season 19 out of 21.Im the type of person where I'll give a show 1 maybe 2 episodes max and if it doesnt captivate me I'm done only exception to that would be Game of thrones.But SVU had me hooked from the 1st episode.This is the 1st time I ever heard someone say it's a show that only women watch.I dont think either of them have finished a season based on the way they talk about it.
I always thought that . Women seem so fascinated by murder/crime , drama . I never understood the connection. I don’t glorify it . Fictionally I like action/ adventure and violence but realistically I avoid the realism of these murder type shows they feel too negative vibed . Why women are so magnetized towards murderers I’ll never understand
Have to disagree. I worked extensively on Law & Order, and for all its faults, it doesn't portray the legal apparatus as virtuous and correct in every episode. The investigators are depicted as vindictive and overly aggressive, forge cases around the most absurd or flimsy evidence and often working hard to bring charges against innocent people. The DA's office staff do lose cases, have to deal with the poor evidence given to them by the investigators, and are frequently confronted with morally ambiguous scenarios in which they make judgment calls that they have internal ethical issues with. Of course, other times, the show is just the steamy heap of dog do Malcolm is depicting here.
I'm a male, and I used to watch them all on TV in the 90's and 2000's. I think they were popular because before Law & Order, all we got was a steady diet of cop drama shows. I'd say those are more for females, as they are essentially soap operas with cops as the "flawed" protagonists. Law & Order brought a sense of logic and reason that appeals better to the male mind, IMO. Less "drama" and more "here's the steps we took to catch the perp, and the steps we took to lock him up". Of course there was a bit of drama, but it was not overly absurd. I mean we barely know Briscoe outside of his job, and Rey had marital problems, and that was pretty much it. And McCoy? All I know about him is that he's a determined prosecutor who really REALLY wants to nail the crooks. Of course, after a decade of the same, it was getting boring, so in comes CSI to save the day, which it's fresh "we are L&O but with "science!" and really quick zoomed in shots of the trauma wounds, or whatever it happened to be.
I gotta comment on Joes first conversation point about getting good at not caring about things he doesn't like. That was actually therapeutic listening to, right now for me. Currently living with some major depression and before that I was a bitter and angry individual so maybe theres some hope for me there
Funny but thats how i am about things I don’t like, it came naturally, but it made sense to just let that crap go cuz its like carrying poison around in yer system, that stuff just can’t be tolerated by a logical mind. I couldn’t let silly non issue issues eat me up anymore, so i let it flow & let it go. But to hear him put it in his own words kinda like with you? It validates our coping mechanism.? & he’s right! I really don’t hate, i just don’t concern myself with stuff i don’t like, kinda like… live & let live.
BTW I thought it was an apocalypse... so he WAS a cop like Jack Reacher WAS a military man or whatever... idk I haven’t seen either so that’s just my outside interpretation
@@harageilucid4352 I get why Lawyers never speak ill of other Lawyers and Doctors never speak ill of other Doctors, but why the hell couldn't a comic who spends entire episodes talking about how some eat shit and just can't cut it say 'I just don't get their style' or 'I'm just not their audience' or something. Don't have to rag on them, just be honest...doesn't do Joe much favor on his own show to be evasive with his audience.
It's annoying. He can't just be honest anymore. He always has to put some kind of spin on his answers now, to make sure he doesn't upset anyone. It's hard to watch sometimes
Yeah it would be interesting to see where Law & Order would fit on Gladwell's thematic compass if he watched enough to actually evaluate it. There's no systemic corruption shown per se. But it's a system which when it works, only works by the skin of its teeth through a lot of hard work. And it frequently doesn't work at all, despite a lot of hard work. I mean the only real "corruption to the system" would be the recognition of rights for the accused which are often working to prevent the heroes from prosecuting a crime. It's an adversarial system by design.
I couldn’t agree more. For a show with over 25 seasons he sounds like he caught a episode. I’m a male and I love that shit. Don’t know what law n order he watching
Gladwell is using this theory for just law and order type films and crime shows. It doesn't hold up to everything else. However, I think the Hero's Journey is everywhere including rom coms and tv commercials. Look how popular The Mandalorian is and that's just the Hero's Journey *again*. People eat it up.
@@TalonInTx yes, I agree. And yes thx for re addressing his point. I think an example of the variant forms of western would be that film equilibrium. The society tries to make a perfect society by suppressing emotion; but ultimately good intentions become coerced. Leaving a hero that's the opposite of a drifter but shares in wanting to right wrongs.
Sidenote: i can remember the episode name or season for anything, but there was a later season, where one of the prosecutors was caught exchanging child prn. He was one of the regular prosecutors too. It was crazy.
@@Charmer4856 meh it's about FBI profilers. Serial killers get away, the investigators are flawed and in constant danger, the system is corrupt from within and without, seems like this guy would love it.
@@xXSPADEGG I don't care what Malcolm Gladstone thinks about anything. He never says anything important and all of his seemingly clever anecdotes crumble under any degree of scrutiny. Gladstone is pseudo-intellectualism personified.
With every breath, the old moment is lost; a new moment arrives. manifestation.guide We exhale and we let go of the old moment. It is lost to us. In doing so, we let go of the person we used to be. We inhale and breathe in the moment that is becoming. In doing so, we welcome the person we are becoming. We repeat the process. This is meditation. This is renewal. This is life.
When I was younger I remember watching Law & Order, except to Gladwell's point, my mother was always watching with me, I never remembered a time where Criminals minds, NCIS, CSI: Miami was on tv and my mothers wasn't in the same room as me watching it lmao. The "justice always prevails" narrative is 100% definitely driven towards the female demographic as fantasised comfort.
A great addon to that is how much women, especially my wife, HATE 'First 48'...don't have to watch many episodes to be reminded the fact that only about 40% of murders ever result in a conviction... she will literally leave the room if I am watching that show.
All those other shows were trash but law and order in the 90s was good. And Malcolm gladwell obviously never watch the show because there's plenty of episodes where the killer gets off just some technicality. Kind of a clueless to pontificate on a show he never actually watched
It's easy to do that when you make assumptions about what you see. Gladwell's assumptions about Westerns, Law & Order, and even Jack Reacher are all entirely wrong. It's like he's finding patterns without any actual knowledge or research to base those patterns on.
Those first few seasons of L&O had some downers...rapists getting acquitted, an Old Country-like story about Colombian drug dealers which the cops were totally unprepared for.
I love that Jack Reacher was mentioned at the end - my favorite fiction series of all time. The latest Amazon Prime series Reacher was fantastic, one of the finest renderings of a novel into a video medium that I've ever experienced. My dream is for Reacher to evolve into a long-running series with each book as a mini-season. They can film a bunch at once and release a couple times a year. I also heard Reacher described as a Noir - anyone recognize whether that conflicts with being a Western?
@@bigoshify Tom Cruise was not at all true to the books and was a disappointment to the devoted series readers. In the Amazon series Reacher is played by Alan Ritchson is a much better fit
@@kevinrenn9123 I didn't know it was a series before I saw the movie so I was going into it as just another Tom Cruise action movie so I had no expectations. I'm going to check out that series tho..
@@bigoshify You won't be disappointed. The Amazon show is based on the first book in the series so not a bad place to start and it does stay pretty true to the book. The Tom Cruise movies are the 9th and 18th books so if you read them in order, it will be a while till you get to the movies you saw
My ex used to watch SVU all the time. I never got the appeal. And it definitely appeals to a female audience. From my perspective it fetishizes victimhood.
Also adore law and order and am a guy. Shit really doesn’t always work out in that show, you always gotta expect some kind of twist. The cheesiness adds to the show for me lol
*Gonk-Gonk* Open On: (Guy unloading crates) Guy Unloading Crates: "Oh her? Yeah, I remember her. She always seemed so quiet... came in with this guy wearing a pinky ring -- saw he had a money clip filled with 10's and 20's mostly... first time I ever saw her, but she looked stressed out, like she had a secret she didn't want exposed. He reminded me of Hitler... seemed like a real jerk... her hair was up in a bun like she'd been doing some sort of labor... maybe she was moving from one apartment to another... I dunno. Seemed like a nice lady, but like I said, I only saw her for 30 seconds. One more thing; she was wearing a black and white cardigan with boxes and the boxes had white checks in them... she leaned over for a split second and I could see the tag near her neck said J. Crew... got the feeling she was abused as a child... wish I could help you more, Officer... did something happen to her?" *Gonk-Gonk*
Justin Boyd haha thank you for pointing this out. That’s all I could think about for almost the entire clip. “Does joe stink it’s a work in process and not progress?” I hope he’s not also one of those “I could care less” guys. 😂
That's what I commented, too!! Earliest seasons were the best because they weren't aiming for the biggest ratings & ad $$$. They were drier, slower, more interesting & seemed more true to life than later seasons.
I’ve watched enough law and order svu to know that it doesn’t always end well. Sometimes the ending has me hoping that there’s a sequel to that episode that fixes the ending of the episode that I just watched
Correct. And the police make mistakes, the DA messes up, the courts don't work, etc. Everything he said about Law and Order seems like something he decided after watching one or two episodes - if that.
The first two minutes of this were some of the most enlightened insights I've heard...well, today. Letting go is so fundamental to our own freedom, in every conceivable way, and my ego keeps finding ways to keep me trapped here. 🕊
Who seeks for enlightenment, if not the ego? Letting go includes letting the ego try to find something it cannot grasp, chasing a disguised promise of absolute emboldenment. It wants to say 'I'm enlightened', just to be above everyone else, better than anyone else. In the end, when it fails on such quest (obviously), the ego has already fallen into a mortal trap. Then, you can finally realize you're simply something happening, as the sun, the rain, or any other phenomena. The ego can only die if it believes it can live forever (through enlightenment). You can only live forever by experiencing that there is no more 'you' claiming to be responsible for your actions and decisions, or to be trapped anywhere, since you can only be everything, everywhere.
Joe's message about not caring about things he doesn't like is so important. If people just let other people enjoy the things they like without bashing them about it, the world would be a better place. For example, Joe doesn't like Rom-coms, but he doesn't care if others like them. But then at 1:55 he subtly bashes rom-coms which contradicts the message...that shit had me rolling LMAO
There is this french romcom 'L'amour dure trois ans' that literally ends with our lovers finally getting together on a beach and being killed off by a random tsunami. Had to think about that while listening.
I just want to see one Law and Order where the criminal escapes, the case goes cold, the department runs out of money, and everyone quits or retires out of frustration.
Joe acting like he doesn't know any comedians he finds unfunny is the funniest joke he's ever told
He's so full of shit here lol as opinionated as Joe is you know damn well there's a list of comics he can't stand
He couldn't even mention Carlos Mencia. He's always full of shit whenever there's a risk of any sort of bad publicity like perhaps another comic talking shit at him and making digs into his unfunny stand up.
Anthony Ornelas -(cough) Schaub (cough)
It's poor taste to talk shit about other professionals in the same field as you.
@@emanx58 I'm thinking Kevin Hart, a lot of people don't like him.
“So who’s humor just doesn’t do it for you?”
Joe: Idk
Also Joe: *Tries hard to not say Amy Schumer*
Lol
Fuckin facts.
Or hannah gadsby
So true. She's the only one vile enough to be on my list. That's it.
Kev hart & tifff haddish
Brilliant analysis:
* Western = no law and order - vigilante justice - Jack Reacher
* Eastern = is law & order but with bad cops gets reformed from within - Serpico
* Southern = system is corrupt - reformer is an outsider - John Grisham
* Northern = law & order system works - Sherlock Holmes - Law & Order
Daniel Endy well that’s not recognizing that just having a show called law and order implies that law or order actually exists to give the hopeless hope that though there’s no justice for most Americans someone out there got justice. So you poor schmucks can just take personal responsibility for anything and everything and the penalties but someone got through and got justice. Or everyone hopes for one that matches the right criteria we can all cheer to get justice or not. But we can’t apply justice. No one is qualified except special people. Who are absolutely not corrupt and cannot be prosecuted with the same evidence if not more that they have against you. That’s why they have cases that are precedent. Everyone else loses but one case made it. And just because you didn’t have that criteria or did and couldn’t get an attorney someone’s justice is the democracy promise. So keep paying taxes and go to jail or hide in retail jobs to ensure they take the tax before you can ever touch it and they still find fault. It’s the mafia algorithm.
All told from the Hollywood perspective.
Did he make this up or are these universal definitions?
chris2423 He clearly came up with this analysis on his own. He’s very perceptive.
Daniel Endy 👍 thanks.
There actually have been Law and Order episodes where the bad guys get away with it. I remember one particularly, where a wife framed her husband for murder. The husband came to that realization in the closing minutes of the episode and nobody, including the protagonists, believed him. The final shot was of the wife smiling evilly as he was found guilty.
That's a bad girl not a bad guy
That's still the system working for the feminists and elites. The evil man gets his just desserts as the intelligent woman gets her revenge for some imagined crime he allegedly committed to her.
That supports Malcom's theory that Law and Order is made for women. This is one type of female power fantasy.
Is that the one where the wife pretended to be paralyzed in a wheelchair and the closing scene was her walking down a snowy Manhattan street? That episode was one of the most chilling.
Great show.
Anytime I hear someone mention the ending of No Country For Old Men, it brings me back to seeing it in theaters and my quadriplegic uncle yelling “what the fuck” in a room full of silent people as soon as the credits rolled
At first I was like ... Wait what ? So Anton just leaves and thats it ? But yeah , I dont know why I was expecting something more epic than the bad guy simply not getting caught , in a way its like zodiac film , sometimes real stories dont go further than "whos the bad guy ?" Weve got no idea
Hahahahaha
Well Bardem rolled out after killing that lady and end.
It's great ending
I hate that he got away with that stupid hair. Sooner or later, even the most cunning scumbag encounters someone that is just quicker.
Tommy Lee Jones' soliqui at the end had me in tears. Probably because my dad had just died. I was glad it was in the book.
So basically Joe Rogan's least favorite comic is "Carlos Mencia".
What became of him?
What a risky choice.
What was uncomfortable about that whole Carlos Mencia thing watching it was I was half expecting Joe to beat the snot out of him. I would have been fine with that, but Hollywood would have ostracized Joe over it and turned Carlos into the victim.
@@richfarfugnuven6308 it will be one those scientists he interviews that 'try' Joe Rogan, Stephen Hawkings would have challenged him to fight then & there, no way for Rogan to win,
@@richfarfugnuven6308 Joe is too smart for that.
The thing that is "mind blowing" about crime shows is that they exist to create a good public perception of prosecutors and police.
And like Howard Beale says in the movie Network by the end of the hour the "good"guy is going to win.
Yeah in CSI they act like they are super intelligent and that all police have access to the latest technology
Oh and randomly hit button on a computer can have amazing results
Also they create the perception that you're a "bad guy" if you hire a lawyer or exercise your rights.
Been saying this for years. That the cop and lawyer shows are propaganda designed to make the general audience have a good opinion of the justice system. Police are your friends, and we get the bad guys and they always get what they deserve.
I disagree. Most crime shows portray police that are constant violators of even the most basic tenets of constitutional rights. They also convey this false narrative that lead people to think certain things about the legal process. Like this ongoing belief that an arrest is invalid, under all circumstances, unless Miranda is read to the arrestee.
My high school English teacher told us that Star Wars was a Western, and I’ve never looked at movies the same way since. This is a great working theory.
Star Wars is medieval fantasy.
Swords and Sorcery. Knights, Princesses, and even an evil wizard usurping the power of the (galactic) throne.
Even if this theory holds water, there are cops everywhere in the form of Stormtroopers.
English teacher got it wrong just because it started in a desert, IMO.
Which trilogy was she referring to because i feel that makes a huge difference
It's a space opera, not a western. At least the original six. Some say there is more Star Wars films but I dont recognize them. Watched the dogshit called Force Awakens, not gonna waste my time with any of these disney nonsense Star Wars.
It was a sci fi take on the Kurosawa samurai film 'Hidden Fortress'. Light sabres are glow in the dark samurai swords.
@@pallascat1743 samurai films are the original westerns
Joe "I used to be stupid but now I'm old" Rogan
"John Wick" Ultimate Westerns!!!😄
Aslan you beat me to the punch 😂😂😂
One of the best ones yet lol
@@flasha29 True... but it's sort of evolving into an Eastern right? I mean John Wick is going up against the system that raised him and turned him into the man he is today. He's kind of like a Serpico of the criminal/hitman underground.
Great comment?
Apparently neither of these guys actually watch Law & Order. Many episodes do not end happily ever after. Especially SVU.
ShyGuy Ry exactly it rarely ends good
there they are. The only 2 guys that watch law and order
Yeah - episodes with a horrific ending are such a cliche that the Community parody of Law and Order ends with a beloved character unexpectedly getting killed... and that's the COMEDY take on the show! Joe and Malcolm seem to be the kings of pontificating on crap they know next to nothing about.
I'm glad someone else said it I was racking my brain where the episodes we're by the numbers . This guy has got it twisted
@@cinnamonsinner4619 bitch whats next. Your gonna call a 20 year old an old man from watching SVU after school?
I'VE TAKEN IT FROM FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT I WILL NOT TAKE FROM A MAN FROM THE INTERNET! FUCK THIS!!!
Joe “Don’t say Amy Schumer” Rogan
@doublequarterpounderwithcheeseandextraonion shut up
@@buzzfeedhaitiop2520 Who pissed in your cheerios my friend?
@@Bob_Lob_Law tf you on about
@@buzzfeedhaitiop2520 You just told a guy to shut up? I was wondering why you are so bothered.
She's so terrible
I don't know how I came to recently discover Joe Rogan but I have been capitvated by his interviews which are more like conversations. He is a great listener and that is why he is so successful. Watching this, because I am such a huge Malcolm Gladwell fan, just solidifies my opinion of both. Way to go Joe!
Look back after interviews.
It used to be whoever Joe wanted.
Now he's on Spotify he's being used to create a narrative with the guests.
So lately it's been all farfetched mad theories people.
stuff thatd making everyone question everything at all times and fear it all.
There was never a running theme
He's never had an agenda but this speculative easily debunked nonsense guest's all at once.
There trying to fuck his credibility
you are 110% true!!
Joe: Makes a “No Country for Old Men” reference.
Also Joe: “Are there any modern westerns?”
I think he meant in relation to the guys theory didn’t he?
No country for old men is set in the time period Joe mentioned
Liam Morgans Joe said the timeline for westerns is usually 1500/1600 to 1880. No Country has a modern setting
Oh I was thinking of there will be blood. I mixed the 2 up in my head. Cheers
@@InactiveWa11 lol there are way more modern westerns than in 1500s westerns
Logan was a comic book movie, but the pacing and style is of a Western set in the near future. 2yrs old
That is a long way to go for Joe to say Brendan sucks at stand up.
that's what I took away from it
That dudes so unfunny
Time stamp?
@@JW-wp3yh he's referring to the entire podcast it's a joke Brendan!
👍🏼
Those headphones look like they're about to squash Malcolm's head like a watermelon with rubber bands.
Lmao
Compare that to how those same headphones look on Robert Oberst's planet-sized head
Pause the video at 4:24 and you see it...
Props to Joe for "biting his tongue" and keeping the peace. No need to dog anyone out 👍👍
Brendon Shaub. Marc Maron. Joe Rogan.
He threw a jab at Carlos Mencia with the as long as nobody is stealing jokes line
@@royalt9570 He did a lot more to Carlos Mencia than that. Lol.
Why do people make excuses for JR being spineless? That’s now a virtue? Got it.
@@AndySalinger33 Being spineless is no virtue. But refraining from needlessly bringing up names, talking behind a Mans back, and stirring up drama is definitely is a virtue. Youll get there one day, you still just need a few years to grow up and mature
I love the Western vs Eastern vs Northern vs Southern analogy.
It also directly connects to our politics.
Really. Sounded like film student horseshit.
Honestly that was some deep analysis, I loved it too. Seems pretty accurate once you really think about it
@@wades2132 Lol!!
Wade S awe somebody is jealous : (
"I don't know why anyone would watch the show."
Has detailed theory about why people watch the show.
You a dumbass?
Says only women watch the shows, explains the premise in detail.
@paula Yes I know what he meant and I also know he watches the show. How could he have a detailed theory as to why people watch it? I am sure he comes home some times and wants to see something mindless and it is on and he watches it. Shows I don't watch I may have heard the name but that is about it.
Crack for brain shy Crew.... LoL
@@markpoidvin5382 The fact that he saw some episodes doesn't mean that he "watches the show".
This guy blew my mind with his Western-Eastern-Northern-Southern concept. I love it.
Joe “I like All comedians especially Amy Schumer” Rogan
😂
"Except if they're stealing material."
That made me do a lol
Which is odd bc haven't dozens of comics claimed she stole jokes?
Unpopular opinion : Amy Schumer really isn't that bad. I watched that last special of hers where she's pregnant and she talks about her autistic husband and I was trying not to like her but she was actually pretty funny
"I don't like law and order because they are all the same"
"Every John Grisham novel is the same and I love them"
A Button Athlete So that means he doesn’t like the themes of Law and Order, and he does like the themes in Grisham novels. And then he explains what those themes are
Never mind the fact that John Grisham is not a good author. To each their own.
*A Button Athlete* That was his overall criticism of crime shows which he went on to debunk by categorising them into four types.
Gladwell's love for Jack Reacher novels just made my day.
Not all of the JR novels are western (e.g., The Enemy), though most are.
as a Lee Child fan myself i did get a lil excited when he explained how badass Reacher was 😂
I love Malcom Gladwell! His books are life-changing. It’s all about recognizing the patterns all around us and changing our perceptions. They’ve helped me tremendously.
How?
I’ve read two of his books. They are kind of useless other than being entertaining because he explores what is behind the behaviors of the masses. Doesn’t change anything. The masses still behave the way they will. Tipping point gives explanation to the obvious but gives no insight on controlling it or changing it. He simply explains it with examples. It’s good reading. But it’s nothing more than entertainment. His hook is “see what secrets I’ve researched and how they open your mind.”.
The reality is, if I’d never have read the books, I would know less about stuff that doesn’t matter anyway.
@@dwest200 most people dont think that way unfortunately
@@dwest200 why do you consider yourself separate from "the masses"?
@@dwest200 ….you are so clever …. You Go ahead & write a bestseller you Dickw*d
Modern Western: Book of Eli
I'll ride wit u on that sentiment
talking about denzel also the ecualizer its a western where he is the law and kills everyone
@@arturomireles3679 Denzel turning into modern day Eastwood
@@phishtix452 or keanu reeves also
Arturo Mireles good call. John Wick is a gah damn cow boy
No Country for Old Men is a BANGER! I can watch that movie over n over!
Ya, but the end f'ing sucks
Rob Gallagher
you mean the ending where the old man accepts the fact his country has moved on, and he has no place in it? sounds like the ending is a reference to the title.
jz's son For whatever reason, the Coen’s decided to omit the end of the novel. It ends with Chigurh confronting the actual owner of the money. It’s pretty legit.
@@mgreco712 for real? I don't remember that. I just remember Bell talking about his dream. But it has been over ten years since I read the book.
Michael Greco movies usually deviate from the novel/original work for the sake of the two hour film run time.
Carlos Mencia has left the chat
He watches everyday
I can’t copy. I’m too dumb. I would!
Scrolled down to see if anyone said this yet. Well played
Has left the chat meme has left the chat.
Good riddance on mencia.
I like cozy mysteries. The reason I like them is because it's about human nature and solving a puzzle and it's something that's not stressful you can watch during the week. It's like knitting, it doesn't stir up stress and actually is relaxing. Now I'm not sitting there riveted by cozy mysteries unless it's a particularly well written one. I save really good shows or movies for the weekend or when I'm more up for it.
exactly. The crime is just a puzzle to be solved.
“Mind blowing?” Eh. Mildly interesting maybe.
Lol right... certainly not mind blowing when it was literally the FIRST thing I thought after watching this horribly stupid show. Hes right about only women watching too. My boys gf can binge that shit for 4+ hours at a time. I'd rather get repeatedly kicked in the balls than watch that dog shit.
EDIT: 'Mainly' women watching I sit corrected - my boy admits he watches w/ her sometimes. My mountain of respect for him just got blasted by an asteroid lol
(Gone Sexual)
Gospel Hand did you stop taking your meds?
@@JakeK3339 Your boy has been turned, time for intervention, you must save him. Fishing, hunting, barbequeing, and ATVing to start.
Rocky because of curiosity of never knowing
Malcolm “Which comics aren’t your taste”
Joe: “some things just aren’t my taste”
Padraig O'Hagan he knows he can’t just call out people. And that’s rude. Like I don’t like Tom papa or Jim Gaffigan, but I don’t like jokes about fast food. They aren’t better or worse than people that talk about poop or sex all day.
deuteriumjones you don’t like Jim Gaffigan?? That’s a wild accusation. Let’s get you to the hospital. He’s hilarious!!
ghostshipone don’t put the “the” in front of hospital.
deuteriumjones let’s get back to you finding gaffigan unfunny.
Edit: Without 😂
Joe "not paying any attention" Rogan
Joe "why won't this tired meme die" Rogan.
That was a clever way of Joe not giving any shine to comedians he doesn’t like
Yes that could be very true. Or it's just a professional courtesy. Dumb people in the comments calling him out for not giving free publicity...
yeah which artists don't you like is a really unartistic question.
I just have to say, it's been interesting to me to watch Joe kind of mature over the years. You don't realize how much he's changed unless you go back & watch some of the older stuff. I appreciate that he keeps an open mind and is very self-aware.
Simping much?
Nope it's just called _an opinion._ Learn to tell the difference.🙄
@@xeokym223 sure sure. I think what happen is that he became so ‘open-minded’ that his brain fell off.
Sometimes he sounds gullible and naive, like when he interviewed Bob Lazar. Just took everything at face value.
“As long as they don’t steal other people’s jokes”... so Amy Schumer.
Probably more Carlos Mencia
Joe is above giving negative press to his competitors.
Gabriel Iglesias has stole Demetri Martin’s jokes for years.
@@coyotecodey1160 if Paco can get a laugh with the same content without mimicking his poise, look and timing. Let him fucking try.
Jay Berkovitz idk what you’re talking bout. I’m just saying there’s way more comedians using the same jokes with different delivery than Amy. It has become popular to rip on her. I
I've watched "Law and Order" enough to know it doesn't always end well.
Especially SVU.
Exactly, this idiot obviously has never watched the show 😂
Exactly
Yeah, CSI would have been a better example
he doesn’t watch it
04:58
"The show Law & Order ... is a functioning apparatus of justice which reliably and accurately produces ummm... the correct result in confronting criminality every single day"
Gladwell picked the wrong crime show as an example here. Law & Order is one of the few crime shows where sometimes the bad guy got away with his crime. And the show explained why that happened. That show doesn't produce "the correct result in confronting criminality every single day". The police fail. Then the prosecutors fail. The police didn't have a search warrant, the warrant was for another location, the police got permission to enter the premises from the wrong guy etc.
Law & Order was one of the better crime shows. The good guys didn't always win. Sometimes they lost. Because of a legal technicality. (The warrant was for storage space #42, but the police entered storage space #2 on row 4 etc)
If this is less than 10% of the total historical canon of shows for LAO then it’s kind of your fault for taking his terminology literally. Most people of sound mind can tell when something exaggerated is exaggerated. If the show has between 20 and 30% of these outcomes then you tow the line of being right to call him out. If the show is 50/50 or more then you we’ll in your right to criticize the now understood misinformation he based his own interpretation on. Also, I’m sure you know a lot more about the shows than he does since he probably is too smart to be watching that stuff consistently so maybe you are right and you know a ton more about this show than he does. Wouldn’t call it a bragging position to be in considering we are talking about subjective classification of fictional tv shows and not the percentage accuracy of one’s recollection of a specific fictional tv show in relation to his own created subjective categories.
Basically I think you missed the whole point of his thought experiment that he was sharing that you never would think of in your life and should be glad someone gave you a lens to watch new fictional dramas through and to better question what you are watching and why and how it is relevant in your life and why you dedicate precious time resources to watch this stuff when it is time you will never get back.
Premise is still partially true. Policing mechanisms are morally righteous, but they aren’t perfect.
@@zncvmxbv4027 You thought he made some amazing observation? It's called a "shower thought," lol. Also, watching TV doesn't mean a person is any less intelligent. You went off typing out a book to some rando, insulting him about wasting time. Yet you don't even see the irony, lol.
Joe "rom-coms need more blood and meteors" Rogan.
He would probably like "Seeking a Friend for the End of the World".
old joke
Well they should.
“Is there a modern version of the western?” just minutes after Joe mentioned No Country For Old Men
Future house cleaner Neo westerns tend to be crime dramas in a western setting. Like Hell or Highwater. It might not be by Gladwell’s definition but I consider it one
Roadhouse is a modern western.
Logan jumps to mind. Also Doctor Sleep, which just came out last week. Cops aren't called in either, if you're going by Gladwell's definition.
British might like Northerns. Until it comes to Ian Rankin. Rebus is definitely of the Eastern variety: system is corrupt and Rebus is an insider working to be righteous despite it, but not necessarily affecting change. Read Ian Rankin. He's great. And so is Rebus. Another one is Ken Bruen's disgraced Guarda officer, Jack Taylor. Rebus is Scottish and Taylor is Irish. Lee Child is British. Maybe that accounts for his rebellion against the Northern device. Hmmm.
This guy is a self-important twit.
I love how it ended. "He just murders everyone and hops on a train to the next place "
Then he says " I love it."
I don't know if you ever have read any of them but even if your someone who doesn't usually read books, the "Jack Reacher" novels are great. The story will suck you in right at the beginning and keep you wanting to read.
His description of the novels is mostly accurate, except that Reacher usually rides the bus.
As a man I used to watch the older law and orders always enjoyed the show. Don’t like the new law and order but grew up watching it.
No idea who this guy is but I love listening to him speak.
you sir are in luck
Search Revisionist History. Click play. Enjoy.
If Rogan would shut up for a minute and let him speak 🤪
He's the kind of "Turns out..."
Freakonomics
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I love Joe Rogans podcasts more then I love his stand up. I like the honestly and randomness of it. The authenticity of it is what keeps me watching.
As a LIFE LONG viewer of L&O SVU and the original, I can factually say he is completely INCORRECT about the show. There are numerous episodes that end on a sad note. No happy ending. And many where the killer gets away with murder.
Do you think that now a days where it's all about Benson that the show is getting harder to watch?
Yes dude obviously has never watched an episode
@@bigoshify Olivia is so annoying. She just loooooves rape victims lmaooooo
You a woman.
@@bigoshify I can actually agree with that to an extent. But I've loved the show for so long, I just cant stop watching.
I love those friends with the inordinately complicated theories for everything
This guy clearly hasn’t watched Law and Order. The show regularly operates in shades of gray. Whether it’s the cops using questionably moral methods of finding their suspect or evidence or the DA using legal loop holes to help prosecute criminals. And then sometimes the criminal isn’t necessarily a bad guy just did a bad thing. I can’t speak for SVU or any other versions but the original Law and Order is a great effing show.
SVU used to do that with Benson & Stabler. Always operating in varying shades of gray, pushing the limits of what they are supposed to be legally doing.
It’s still kinda like that, but Benson is a bit of a superhero now & her damn son is in the show too much for a 4 year old. The other detectives personal problems are realistic to a degree, but ridiculous as well.
I have also seen a couple of episodes where the antagonist comes out on top. His take is pretty shitty imo
All police shows in general are propoganda to make normal american try and explain themselves to the police without a lawyer present. That the only way most cases have a shot in court.
@@jer.z.3691 naw man....if anything I've learned to shut up and only say one word : lawyer.
Joe is right, people like to see the "bad" guy get his, even if once in a while the "bad" guy is the cop, D.A, etc.
@@properplank6729 same with his Westerns take. A good amount of them have a sheriff or deputy in them.
"I don't know any men who watch law and order" - John Mulaney has entered the chat
Now that I think about it does anyone know any guys that do?
@@zeebosa4878 I started watching svu from the very 1st season in october last year.Keep in mind each season is 19-25 45 min episodes.And now I'm on season 19 out of 21.Im the type of person where I'll give a show 1 maybe 2 episodes max and if it doesnt captivate me I'm done only exception to that would be Game of thrones.But SVU had me hooked from the 1st episode.This is the 1st time I ever heard someone say it's a show that only women watch.I dont think either of them have finished a season based on the way they talk about it.
@@zeebosa4878 i used to watch it every day in prison (re runs on german TV). In freedom there is better stuff to do and better things to watch.
I always thought that . Women seem so fascinated by murder/crime , drama . I never understood the connection. I don’t glorify it . Fictionally I like action/ adventure and violence but realistically I avoid the realism of these murder type shows they feel too negative vibed . Why women are so magnetized towards murderers I’ll never understand
They r obssesed with jail n crusifying people for rape then get women brainwashed to these shows lol
Have to disagree. I worked extensively on Law & Order, and for all its faults, it doesn't portray the legal apparatus as virtuous and correct in every episode. The investigators are depicted as vindictive and overly aggressive, forge cases around the most absurd or flimsy evidence and often working hard to bring charges against innocent people. The DA's office staff do lose cases, have to deal with the poor evidence given to them by the investigators, and are frequently confronted with morally ambiguous scenarios in which they make judgment calls that they have internal ethical issues with.
Of course, other times, the show is just the steamy heap of dog do Malcolm is depicting here.
I'm a male, and I used to watch them all on TV in the 90's and 2000's. I think they were popular because before Law & Order, all we got was a steady diet of cop drama shows. I'd say those are more for females, as they are essentially soap operas with cops as the "flawed" protagonists. Law & Order brought a sense of logic and reason that appeals better to the male mind, IMO. Less "drama" and more "here's the steps we took to catch the perp, and the steps we took to lock him up". Of course there was a bit of drama, but it was not overly absurd. I mean we barely know Briscoe outside of his job, and Rey had marital problems, and that was pretty much it. And McCoy? All I know about him is that he's a determined prosecutor who really REALLY wants to nail the crooks.
Of course, after a decade of the same, it was getting boring, so in comes CSI to save the day, which it's fresh "we are L&O but with "science!" and really quick zoomed in shots of the trauma wounds, or whatever it happened to be.
I gotta comment on Joes first conversation point about getting good at not caring about things he doesn't like. That was actually therapeutic listening to, right now for me. Currently living with some major depression and before that I was a bitter and angry individual so maybe theres some hope for me there
Funny but thats how i am about things I don’t like, it came naturally, but it made sense to just let that crap go cuz its like carrying poison around in yer system, that stuff just can’t be tolerated by a logical mind. I couldn’t let silly non issue issues eat me up anymore, so i let it flow & let it go. But to hear him put it in his own words kinda like with you? It validates our coping mechanism.? & he’s right! I really don’t hate, i just don’t concern myself with stuff i don’t like, kinda like… live & let live.
It takes practice. I keep working at it. My brain is bad so I have to always work against it's natural tendencies...I hate it.
@@Alec-zm2bb keep going buddy
The walking dead is definitely a western by this definition
rick is a cop lol thus by calling for ricks help they are calling the cops
@@btw3344 Rick left
BTW I thought it was an apocalypse... so he WAS a cop like Jack Reacher WAS a military man or whatever... idk I haven’t seen either so that’s just my outside interpretation
BTW hes not a cop anymore dude, u didnt do well in school did u?
This definition was only for crime shows and movies, walking dead is not a crime show
Joe squeezing in the most political answer to "are their comics that aren't to your taste?"
Comedians in Cars getting approval from Toe Rogan
I like joes podcast but dont like his stand up stuff.
If someone asked you to publicly shit on notable people in your industry youd probably be political about it, too.
@@harageilucid4352 I get why Lawyers never speak ill of other Lawyers and Doctors never speak ill of other Doctors, but why the hell couldn't a comic who spends entire episodes talking about how some eat shit and just can't cut it say 'I just don't get their style' or 'I'm just not their audience' or something. Don't have to rag on them, just be honest...doesn't do Joe much favor on his own show to be evasive with his audience.
It's annoying. He can't just be honest anymore. He always has to put some kind of spin on his answers now, to make sure he doesn't upset anyone. It's hard to watch sometimes
It occurred to me that Mr. Gladwell really doesn't watch Law and Order bc the bad guys frequently get off
Yeah it would be interesting to see where Law & Order would fit on Gladwell's thematic compass if he watched enough to actually evaluate it. There's no systemic corruption shown per se. But it's a system which when it works, only works by the skin of its teeth through a lot of hard work. And it frequently doesn't work at all, despite a lot of hard work. I mean the only real "corruption to the system" would be the recognition of rights for the accused which are often working to prevent the heroes from prosecuting a crime. It's an adversarial system by design.
I couldn’t agree more. For a show with over 25 seasons he sounds like he caught a episode. I’m a male and I love that shit. Don’t know what law n order he watching
Great theory on Reacher being a modern day Western. Love the books and the 1st series did a great job of bringing a fine debut novel to life.
This guests western, northern, eastern, and southern philosophy are neat.
Very neat! I knew about westerns but not the others....I'll never forget it. Every movie I ever see from now on will be subject to.this analysis.
This philosophy reminded me of the “hero’s journey” philosophy that all fantasy novels/series follow. Very interesting and seemingly very true.
@@lucienwmoon yes, totally. Also you have the world building aspects like dungeons and dragons. Joseph cambell is the heros journey writer.
Gladwell is using this theory for just law and order type films and crime shows. It doesn't hold up to everything else. However, I think the Hero's Journey is everywhere including rom coms and tv commercials. Look how popular The Mandalorian is and that's just the Hero's Journey *again*. People eat it up.
@@TalonInTx yes, I agree. And yes thx for re addressing his point. I think an example of the variant forms of western would be that film equilibrium. The society tries to make a perfect society by suppressing emotion; but ultimately good intentions become coerced. Leaving a hero that's the opposite of a drifter but shares in wanting to right wrongs.
I’ve seen plenty of Law and Order episodes where the endings were far from happy and actually showed how the system fails at times.
There have been many episodes where justice was not served at the end though
Sidenote: i can remember the episode name or season for anything, but there was a later season, where one of the prosecutors was caught exchanging child prn. He was one of the regular prosecutors too.
It was crazy.
This guy just invented "criminal minds " now he just needs a time machine.
I think you just have to close your eyes, click your heels together, and keep saying "unsub."
A Closer Look 23 thumbs up LIAR, CHEAT, FANTASY
Is that a good show?
@@Charmer4856 meh it's about FBI profilers. Serial killers get away, the investigators are flawed and in constant danger, the system is corrupt from within and without, seems like this guy would love it.
MG has a field day with CBT...cognitive behavioral therapy, which has its foundation in the criminal wiring of the mind...
,,Hot Fuzz" is a good example of a southern.
domagoj bobaš oh yes.
Hot Fuzz would definitively be a Western in Gladwell's silly categorization system.
mitchtherevolution Hot Fuzz is literally what he described a southern being
@@xXSPADEGG I don't care what Malcolm Gladstone thinks about anything.
He never says anything important and all of his seemingly clever anecdotes crumble under any degree of scrutiny.
Gladstone is pseudo-intellectualism personified.
@@mitchtherevolution Ay man chill out
Joe’s head lookin’ freshly polished today
Been using the shine-O ball-O again
Justin Cormier “Jamie, shine me up!” *leans forward*
Law and order used to have the bad guys win during the first couple seasons. That was the best. Never knew what was going to happen
“Justified” was a modern Western, yeah? Sure, he was a US Marshal, but he had his own set of laws.
Great show.
Fucking great show!
Terrible show lol not one main character died throughout its entire run
I miss justified💔
No
Subverting expectations is why everything sucks now
I love the idea of the Western-Eastern-Northern-Southern. It's great. I think it reflects societies and groups that enjoy them.
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When I was younger I remember watching Law & Order, except to Gladwell's point, my mother was always watching with me, I never remembered a time where Criminals minds, NCIS, CSI: Miami was on tv and my mothers wasn't in the same room as me watching it lmao. The "justice always prevails" narrative is 100% definitely driven towards the female demographic as fantasised comfort.
A great addon to that is how much women, especially my wife, HATE 'First 48'...don't have to watch many episodes to be reminded the fact that only about 40% of murders ever result in a conviction... she will literally leave the room if I am watching that show.
@@fortusvictus8297 Bet she probably loves Law and Order: SVU
All those other shows were trash but law and order in the 90s was good. And Malcolm gladwell obviously never watch the show because there's plenty of episodes where the killer gets off just some technicality. Kind of a clueless to pontificate on a show he never actually watched
How about SVU? The chick always gets raped..
I love how brilliant minds uncover simple patterns in this chaotic world.
Psychedelics do the same thing....
Whole systems
It's easy to do that when you make assumptions about what you see. Gladwell's assumptions about Westerns, Law & Order, and even Jack Reacher are all entirely wrong. It's like he's finding patterns without any actual knowledge or research to base those patterns on.
It's not about finding patterns, it's about connecting pieces of information that aren't actually related. Humans are most easily fooled by themselves
Nothing brilliant about condescending large groups of ordinary people
Those first few seasons of L&O had some downers...rapists getting acquitted, an Old Country-like story about Colombian drug dealers which the cops were totally unprepared for.
I love that Jack Reacher was mentioned at the end - my favorite fiction series of all time. The latest Amazon Prime series Reacher was fantastic, one of the finest renderings of a novel into a video medium that I've ever experienced. My dream is for Reacher to evolve into a long-running series with each book as a mini-season. They can film a bunch at once and release a couple times a year.
I also heard Reacher described as a Noir - anyone recognize whether that conflicts with being a Western?
Stranger comes to town… :)
Who is the new Jack Reacher? Tom Cruise killed it in the films..
@@bigoshify Tom Cruise was not at all true to the books and was a disappointment to the devoted series readers. In the Amazon series Reacher is played by Alan Ritchson is a much better fit
@@kevinrenn9123 I didn't know it was a series before I saw the movie so I was going into it as just another Tom Cruise action movie so I had no expectations. I'm going to check out that series tho..
@@bigoshify You won't be disappointed. The Amazon show is based on the first book in the series so not a bad place to start and it does stay pretty true to the book. The Tom Cruise movies are the 9th and 18th books so if you read them in order, it will be a while till you get to the movies you saw
Love law and order and am definitely a guy... who doesn’t like seeing rapists get beat down by Stabler?
My ex used to watch SVU all the time. I never got the appeal. And it definitely appeals to a female audience. From my perspective it fetishizes victimhood.
Also adore law and order and am a guy. Shit really doesn’t always work out in that show, you always gotta expect some kind of twist. The cheesiness adds to the show for me lol
*Gonk-Gonk* Open On: (Guy unloading crates) Guy Unloading Crates: "Oh her? Yeah, I remember her. She always seemed so quiet... came in with this guy wearing a pinky ring -- saw he had a money clip filled with 10's and 20's mostly... first time I ever saw her, but she looked stressed out, like she had a secret she didn't want exposed. He reminded me of Hitler... seemed like a real jerk... her hair was up in a bun like she'd been doing some sort of labor... maybe she was moving from one apartment to another... I dunno. Seemed like a nice lady, but like I said, I only saw her for 30 seconds. One more thing; she was wearing a black and white cardigan with boxes and the boxes had white checks in them... she leaned over for a split second and I could see the tag near her neck said J. Crew... got the feeling she was abused as a child... wish I could help you more, Officer... did something happen to her?" *Gonk-Gonk*
frase32 what do u mean by fetishizes victimhood?
I stopped watching once they axed Stabler. It seems like it was always left leaning but after he was gone went full PC.
Joe “it’s a work in process” Rogen
Justin Boyd haha thank you for pointing this out. That’s all I could think about for almost the entire clip. “Does joe stink it’s a work in process and not progress?” I hope he’s not also one of those “I could care less” guys. 😂
I knew someone would comment on this haha it also bothered me on Will Harris podcast that he pronounced "ogle" like rhymes with toggle.
Like Israel Adesanya saying "I don't take it likely..." several times on the last episode...
justin "hey how about I try to get some like on youtube before I eat my cereal" boyd yon don't even deserve to eat my shit
Justin Boyd he was close
I don't know any men who watch those shows either, but my mom and her friends love it.
Mine too.
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I love the twists, turns and surprise endings of Law & Order.
Law & Order has done the sorts of things gladwell is taking about. The bad guys sometimes get away with it.
Not NEARLY enough to present a realistic depiction of the current state of the Criminal Justice System.
Only until part two
Michael James It's not reality. It's network television, which is largely aspirational. A Billy Campbel episode of SVU, in particular, comes to mind.
...& there was no part two, which is what made it so devastating.
I’m just happy Skeletor is still getting work
Brilliant 🤣
Like a head on a stick
This guy has never watched law and order. The bad guy gets off and justice is subverted all the time.
Yeah Law And Order SVU ends with a gutpunch about 25% of the time.
Shut up. Men don't watch law and order.
I'm not sure he's ever seen more than one episode of law and order. Many times the criminal gets away. Great show.
I had the same thought. I feel like the show frequently ends in chaos and there are many crooked cops+prosecuters.
There are PLENTY of L&O episodes that end with a WTF moment.
Ash Williams Serena coming out as lesbian for sure
Esp criminal intent. I love that show
@@trinityproj3ct What? LOL Oh yeah, she sure did didn't she.
trinityproj3ct But she only did it in the last 2 minutes of the season finale of her last episode!
Ash Williams not enough
I would love to see a printed art with this theory, seriously 🤩
It really isn't much of a "theory". He never really theorized anything.
“No British crime dramas have crooked cops.” Uhhh Peaky Blinders, Luther, The Tunnel...
Late reply but I just commented something similar and added line of duty the list, being about ..... corruption and all
starts at 2:18
Joe “maybe we’re all the same” “people are just different” Rogan
Ya, people are the same in many ways and different in many ways. Is that too confusing to you?
He’s wrong about the way he described law & order everything else he’s spot on
Law & Order occasionally ends in an unexpected way. It's great when it does.
Also the first couple of seasons were probably the best.
I’d say more than occasionally.
Agreed. Jerry Orbach was the all time best detective on that show.
But you don't deny being a woman
As a straight male, Jerry Orbach L&O is some of my favorite television ever.
That's what I commented, too!!
Earliest seasons were the best because they weren't aiming for the biggest ratings & ad $$$.
They were drier, slower, more interesting & seemed more true to life than later seasons.
I’ve watched enough law and order svu to know that it doesn’t always end well. Sometimes the ending has me hoping that there’s a sequel to that episode that fixes the ending of the episode that I just watched
The bad guy doesnt always get caught in L&O.
Correct. And the police make mistakes, the DA messes up, the courts don't work, etc. Everything he said about Law and Order seems like something he decided after watching one or two episodes - if that.
Yeah, I feel like this guy hasn't actually watched Law & Order.
9.9/10 times
Most law and order episodes have resolutions that are both not black and white but also quite thought provocating. He’s probably has never watched L&O
The first two minutes of this were some of the most enlightened insights I've heard...well, today. Letting go is so fundamental to our own freedom, in every conceivable way, and my ego keeps finding ways to keep me trapped here. 🕊
Who seeks for enlightenment, if not the ego? Letting go includes letting the ego try to find something it cannot grasp, chasing a disguised promise of absolute emboldenment. It wants to say 'I'm enlightened', just to be above everyone else, better than anyone else. In the end, when it fails on such quest (obviously), the ego has already fallen into a mortal trap. Then, you can finally realize you're simply something happening, as the sun, the rain, or any other phenomena. The ego can only die if it believes it can live forever (through enlightenment). You can only live forever by experiencing that there is no more 'you' claiming to be responsible for your actions and decisions, or to be trapped anywhere, since you can only be everything, everywhere.
There is at least one episode from one of the my different “Law and Order” series playing every hour, every single day of the year.
I know. I watched it obsessively when I was depressed. It doesn't tax the brain.
Joe's message about not caring about things he doesn't like is so important. If people just let other people enjoy the things they like without bashing them about it, the world would be a better place. For example, Joe doesn't like Rom-coms, but he doesn't care if others like them. But then at 1:55 he subtly bashes rom-coms which contradicts the message...that shit had me rolling LMAO
Yeah he just point out why doesn’t like i think
There is this french romcom 'L'amour dure trois ans' that literally ends with our lovers finally getting together on a beach and being killed off by a random tsunami. Had to think about that while listening.
K. B. On the other hand, True Romance ended quite sappy
Joe “I like all comedians” Rogan
Tbh he has too because his is actually the least funny
“I hate PC culture but I’m political about every personal question I answer”
-Toe Rogan
Tom cruise likes all movies
Joe "Couldn't just answer 'Amy Shumer' " Rogan
Haha he knows with his reach he could ruin anybody’s career...there’s nothing else he can say there
There are plenty of comics Joe hates. Good job on him for not calling them out.
The question wasn't about who he hates, it was who does he think isn't funny
I guess he just doesn't want to give them publicity
I think he was just high and forgot.
He bitched out didn’t wanna say any names.
I just want to see one Law and Order where the criminal escapes, the case goes cold, the department runs out of money, and everyone quits or retires out of frustration.
How did I miss the idea of the Reacher books being westerns? Its so perfect......
Marlon Brando directed a Western that departed from the traditional tropes. It's called, "One-eyed Jacks".
He speaks in a different accent every time hes on camera, Brando ruled.
Man, I have never heard the N,S, E, W explanation. I love learning new info❤
Joe: “Who, me bro? I don’t don’t like anything at all, I only like things!”
Cop shows have only taught me to not talk to the cops until you have legal representation.
His territorial theory is so good. My cousin vinnies perfect example of the southern aspect.
breaking bad is a western, especially the new movie
I thought police were there
Pretty clear Gladwell has never watched Law and Order.