What I like most about Malcolm Gladwell is how he uses facts to back up his point of view. He's got facts equipped like arrows on his back, shooting one after another; all falling into place to make a solid case.
The reason I decided to coach my son's baseball team is, in part, for the reasons Malcolm mentioned with regards to development. I realized nearly all coaches prioritize the better players (which are usually the older kids) & neglect the other players. No development whatsoever. They also prioritize "winning" over development. Yo would think these people (the coaches) will figure out they're losing all the time because kids are not being developed, but to no one's surprise, they actually blame the the children that don't play well & their parents for letting them join team. Dad to the rescue 💪🏼
Malcolm is stupid, he blames the environment, if a person wants to do something, poverty cant stop anypne! Hes talking general, not all people thinks like that! Mslcolm is a victim, snd victimhood is contrast to success!
@@denzelwashington6222 Tell that to the forefathers of former slaves, Native Americans and Hispanics whose businesses, homes and lands that they worked hard for to get were taken from them by force or in many cases burned down. Try pulling yourself up by the bootstraps on land that is unproductive, not having an education or being able to get a loan. In the US society has squandered the potential of its people by taking away their choices and forcing them into ghettos and prisons. Yet, the people themselves are to blame for this? Now, these same people along with Asians who are considered poor like Laotians, Cambodians and Vietnamese are demanding their rights. I get tired of hearing that POC are lazy especially Blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans when everyone knows these groups understand what it is to work. Even those with a side hustle have a hustle to the side hustle! So yes, we've wasted our potential so certain sections of our society can enjoy the good life! We could have had the Black and Brown communities out of poverty a long time ago, but as Dr. Gladwell says, "That wasn't a priority!" Now, we're paying a price for all this foolishness because the POC who have succeeded aren't the outliers rather they are proof of how people can succeed when they are properly invested in.
The internets greatest contribution is as a social forum without boundaries. It lets an anti-social society socialize, and yes although 99% of people end up arguing over the cutest cat videos of the week, the comments on Malcolm Gladwell videos that inspire thought make it all worth it.
Wonderful lecture. I agree with everything he says with one caveat: I roomed with a fellow midshipman at the U.S. Naval Academy in the early 1970's by the name of Thomas Reilly. He was - by all accounts, including my own - a brilliant student. He majored in aeronautical engineering and received top grades in his chosen major. Also, most of us studied a hell of a lot more than he did just to tread water and get by. He did not and often took weekends off. So, there is a lot to be said about innate talent and how it propels one above the crowd. There was also another student at the Academy by the name of Rocky Raher who was even more brilliant than Reilly, who once took the final exam for differential equations (and aced it) after studying a total of 4 nights. So, does talent matter? Well, what do you think?
Talent definitely DOES matter but what he is talking about (or at least to my understanding) is more from a community aspect. He is saying that as a community (human, country, group, etc) we are not setting people up for success. Of course there are the people who are talented but if we do not do the leg work to set them up to express that talent we will have squandered their potential and life.
But the question remains, what was their preparation like before you knew them? Just like with Gladwell's hockey example, might those two students have had a superior academic upbringing that by the time you knew them they were simply just ahead of the curve?
@@mr_knowitall I don't think so. No matter how "ahead of the curve" you are, no normal human being can teach himself differential equations in 4 nights. These guys had "it."
This is anecdotal evidence, rather than assuming that what you experienced applies to all situations, we should try and collect data to understand the truth.
@@enochbrown8178 I think your story has very narrow ways of defining having "it". I've met geniuses with data who could not handle strategic thinking, or management. "Each is great in his own place, the duty of one is not the duty of the other". Capitalization matters far more than "innate talent", but innate talent matters as well. The problem is capitalizing on it in ways that complements the individual. If you compare all of us to Reilly's ability to master differential equations then we'll all look like comparable apes but you'll also be making poor strategic judgements on how to utilize people given your chosen lens.
Beneficiary of the relative age effect here: My aunt was an educator that told my parents not to enroll me into school until they had to. I was a year more mature and experienced than I would have been if I had been enrolled at the "early" opportunity. I still encourage this.
I also noticed this very early in life. I was put in school age 6 with some kids age 8+. They got consistently better grades, teachers were consistently congratulating them and setting them as standard and insulting us for being less. Every morning waking up deprived of sleep, hungry because of lack of time, school was not a place to learn. I already knew how to read before school so I wasted so many years of my life there. I hate schools and stupid people that organize the education. I hope their children pay for their misdoings. I advise everybody to NOT destroy their children with schools. They can read and learn so many things from the internet. Not to mention the old and useless information they teach in schools. Organized education is so hopelessly outdated like the postal services or the rest of the state funded money pits.
I agree. Being older works to your advantage in elementary school. I was the only child born to my parents at the beginning of the year. I did a lot better in school than my siblings, who were born in later months in the year.
I can tell you that drive and passion are factors and you cannot achieve without them. I know a lot of people with tremendous drive and passion but don't get very far. Its about who you know more than anything. Passion helps you succeed once you get there. Knowing someone gets you the opportunity to prove yourself.
I've worked for a few companies, none of them have ever checked my credit. A friend of mine works for a staffing agency, they don't check credit either. It is actually in a companies interest to hire indebted employees. They *need* this job.
Looks like lacking an ethos of hard work is the number one thing that limits potential, since the Asians are coming over here and becoming high income earners in one generation.
@@chrono106 nah the only reach out for them is becoming a savage or eaten alive, where ass some have schools others violence. It’s a different world, the schools are poor in those areas it’s not even seen as viable for many. My point was we all fight in different in ways based on where we believe we can be the most dangerous opponent or opening to a way out
I've read interviews from professionals (college graduate that went into a high reward job with high risk) and read a quote saying "As good as people believe I am, there were people in my neighborhood better than I am at my job." Its crazy because imagine if those people had a chance or desired to work at a professional level? How far could we as a human race be? Gladwell is right about the "stupidity" part. Selfishness, cronism, pride, etc. all need to disappear for progress to happen.
Wonderfully explained, as always! I highly recommend everyone to listen to Malcolm's excellent podcast " Revisionist History". It is truly addictive:-) Thanks a lot for the upload.
I think he ignores the vested interests of members of the ruling class to perpetuate their own success through their offspring, meaning that being born to wealthy parents increases one's chances for success regardless of persistence of talents. As for his example of the rates of potential achieved among Chinese immigrants, the overriding factor is not that they are Chinese i.e cultural determinism, but that they are cohort that collectively emigrated as part of an effort towards achievement.
(Last page of rant, I promise) Compounding the issue further is the fact that most employers now run credit checks on all job candidates. So if you had a car accident, were hospitalized due to illness or injury, or incurred debt for any reason, your chances of getting a job fall to almost zero. Now tell me how a person is supposed to repair their credit, or their jobless situation, if no one will hire the indebted or the unemployed? The system is designed to put you down and keep you there.
Neal Degrasse Tyson is an astrophysicist because he was given the means and he created his own potential that's a great example of capitalising on human potential.
Pretty compelling arguments, however he sticks here to the societal or external factors, which of course have a certain validity about them. There are however also internal factors one needs to consider, which he doesn't here, such as passion and drive. These are two commonly recognised precursors to success which can be beaten out kids, or encouraged in them...to put it bluntly so the point is made. There are things we and schools do that do not kindle the flames, but rather douse them!
I think he is suggesting that the Canadian hockey league should change their method of selection so that kids who are born in the first half of the year compete in a separate pool from the kids who are born in the second half of the year. The resources spent will be about the same, and it will eliminate the unfair competitive advantage that older kids have. However, I don't think it will ever happen, unfortunately
Being born late November would make you one of the oldest kids in your class. Great for Basketball. You likely weren’t tall enough or didn’t practice hard enough.
Zachary Neilson height isn’t everything in basketball. It’s mostly practice and the way you use the natural things that you can’t control to your advantage. Look at Isaiah Thomas. He was a top 3 point guard for the Celtics until he got injured. And he was about 5,9
Gladwell seems to be moving in a very specific direction with his writing and the conclusions that he is getting to. I think most of the effort of our country is specifically to reduce human capitalization, we do it on purpose to promote status quo stability - I'd hypothesize anyway. I don't recall him writing much about this in Outliers though.
Judging from his audiobooks I didn't know he was Black. On the topic, his presentation was fantastic. I wish he would have elaborated on HOW we can do something about it!
All things being equal, I think a person with an IQ of 120 will do better than a person of 100. If the 120 person works as hard as the 100 person, he/she will do better.
But that was exactly Gladwells argument? That the reason was _cultural_, not racial, cultural in the sense of effort towards achievement (not temples and shrines). Agree comletely with the vested interest to protect their success of the upper class. For the development of society lack of capitalisation is a significant waste.
People are the greatest resource. When you learn to capitalize on the talent you have an not look to outside source you solve your resource problem. When you learn to harvest the intellectual capital you have then your resource problem will be solved. Our resource problem is a byproduct of poor utilization of the talent we have.
Oh, I agree, the internet seems to be nothing more than exchanges of insults and lame attempts to outwit everyone these days. You're most welcome. :) It's quite an interesting phenomena in regards to how people behave if there are no consequences/accountability.
I never mentioned him being a Black speaker, or one who focuses on the Black movement. I just commented on his ethnicity. Albeit, I do see the misunderstanding, and agree that beyond my surprise it is irrelevant. No worries, mate!
You get out of life what you put into it,is life fair,no but there is such a thing as odds and anyone can improve theirs by hard work,most attempts to make life fair are born out of envy of success and bitterness over failure and fail miserably.
Well, another thing to consider is the example of Ted Talks. EVERY TIME they have one about the wealth gap, class warfare, employment rates, corruption, etc, that talk gets banned. So in a discussion like this, it's actually better NOT to mention that, because most people who are willing to listen to such a discussion already factor that in without it being mentioned. It's the elephant in the room that no one will mention because if they do, they aren't allowed to speak.
We need to stop thinking of things in terms of race, we are all mixed race so we should all stop identifing ourselves as black, white, brown, red, or yellow.
It is very hard not to mistake his examples for the topic. I think the core mistake is very simple. Our idea of education is to have little kids sit still and shut up for the duration of their entire childhood. Education is important but it isn't *that* important. An interest in a topic is all the potential we need. If one doesn't get to see any of the world before age 26 one cant be interested in it either. The scope is just to narrow to cover all bases.
Why is Gladwell not President?! OH! I get it- He has a brain, is logical, and bases his decisions on scientific fact and is all things that go against our current model. What a shame that we will never reach civility without leaders who won't think like this! Thank you Malcolm for your amazing contributions to the falling of the eye scales and upholding the amazing idea of common sense- YOU SIR! ARE A HERO!
That's interesting. My mother is German and Polish, and although I am the same skin tone as Gladwell I haven't been referred as anything other than Black my entire life. Please don't take that negatively as it isn't the intention. I just find it fascinating that you're not accepted in society until you meet some sort of arbitrary requisites.
I don't think you need to go through the waste and bother of creating a parallel hockey season, you just have to have younger groups of hockey players segregated by size, in perhaps different leagues, maybe by some formula inputting weight and height.
I wish you would be interested in helping me express to the people what the comprehensive solution to the economic system is. I may have worked very hard to understand the whole thing myself alone, but getting up to explain it to others I find daunting. You have made an interesting point here, which is already has a resolve within my solution.
He was providing an alternative explanation for why (so little) people succeed, the one he was providing was contesting scarcity of talent in America. So he didn't show any evidence for it.
I was the youngest in my year at school until the age of 14. I more than held my own in what subjects I was interested in. Go forth and find a local Maker or Hackspace. Realise your potential by creating what you thing the world needs for yourself. And if there isn't one, start one!
The main reason for why Chinese kids do better in school. Since feudal society, the government has national tests that give different levels of positions in the government, that is a life changer the person and family. The long term effect of this has created a very strong need to educate kids, from family to school environment. On the other hand, US families don’t have that tradition, good test results don’t mean the same, kids in the US see more sucessuful athletes and artists.
With a viable, measurable, and ROI that makes it WORTH it. In the absence of return on investment of effort, kids WILL give up. We do a really bad job of recognizing and rewarding effort. When a kid with two college degrees and great grades can't get a job that will support his family, WTF is the point? We don't give up because we're lazy. We give up because our efforts go unrecognized. Take the best teachers in America, for instance. What is their motivation to BE the best when Society seems to be convinced they're worthless and that anybody with a heartbeat can do the job. Ultimately, it's about income potential and the lack of value we put on labor in this country. You don't have these outcomes in more equitable countries.
coda creator Doesn’t seem to fit what Gladwell is saying. He said the most important constraint on a person’s capitalization was how much you valued hard work. That test of the unsolvable math problem didn’t have any discernable ROI but the Asian kids were still working on it for the whole time limit. When that ethos of hard work was compounded over 30 years, it resulted in high levels of professional success. Seems like success is a function of being willing to work hard without necessarily being guaranteed a clear reward.
Don't completely discount IQ. The relative intelligence of a person, while not being the only important factor, can easily be a large benefactor or deficit for learning. Also, not all smart students are the same. Just because you have a high IQ, and person B has an equally high IQ, this does not mean that you prepare the same (or even similarly for that matter). It also doesn't denote being proficient in the same fields either.
I agree with Gladwell that cap rates vary, but I don't agree when he dismisses the fact that different groups have different inherent abilities (on average). That means all groups of people have the same average inherent abilities in the same areas. If that were the case then there would be a lot more blacks with Nobel prizes in math or sciences or a lot more Asians playing in the NFL or NBA. Gladwell, like all successful writers/speakers, are constrained to stay within the boundaries of political correctness.
I understand what you saying but I wonder how much more the blacks in America would acheive if they were not spending the first half of the 1900s fighting racism and the prior 200 - 300 years being oppressed in slavery and wasnt allowed an education.
@@StephenPodcast Mr Barnes, for sure, you have a valid point and I deplore unfairness in this world. I've also been the victim of prejudice on many occasions. I only meant that Gladwell should take care not to mislead people to the wrong conclusion with his topic of "cap rates".
Missed the point of the talk this is a myopic view. He used hockey to illustrate a point. Talent is being squandered in America. I agree 100%. There is so much that stifles possibility of achievement and he named a few of those things. Nepotism is another. It real is sad. Then we wonder why we do so poorly on national and global achievement levels.
What exactly is the more complicated explanation for the under-capitalization of talent in America? And the thing about the idea of 10,000 hours of practice is that he didn't come up with it, so if you have a problem with the idea, blame the people who originally came up with it.
Oh, I remember why I said it now. Obviously, he doesn't think you have to go to high school to achieve something, to think otherwise you would have to be crazy. If people had to explain out everything they said completely as if nobody had common sense, nothing would get done.
That's a good point, but it just balances Gladwell's really, because you misstate Gladwells opinion as not wanting to develop more people, and that is the key to the future, when we have more people and exponential benefit from all those people when they are better connected to each other and the information. The government has become fearful about this progress because it governs for an elite, and that is the problem.
After I read your comment I thought I had misinterpreted his presentation. I watched again, ending with the same conclusion. I think your comment is exactly the point he was trying to make. He just didn't have the time to fully explore it. Saying that poverty is a cap, is the same as saying what you said about the wealthy, it's just another factor of the same argument, same with the Chinese. He didn't say the exact words, but in an extended presentation, your comment would fit his premise.
Yep. Any and all disparities between groups of people could be ameliorated if we all just adopted had a can do attitude. I have a dream that one day any 4'11 85 lbs Vietnamese man will have the same opportunity to play in the NBA as the son of Lebron James.
Except that Malcolm Gladwell isn't African-American. He's Jamaican Marroon-British-Canadian, although he's been living in the US for the past 30 years now.
Great talk really interesting but i really didn't like the editing, it jumped from one frame to another in the worst possible way, i thought i was having a stroke :P
It's exactly equal -- 25% from each quarter? And the differences between players born in the 1980s and those born in the 1900s has no influence on their hockey training and subsequent abilities that? If not, I think this rather proves his point than refutes it -- there is nothing intrinsic about one's birth month that dictates hockey ability. Speaking of leaping to unfounded conclusions... p.s. "moot"
The ability to delay gratification, to concentrate on a problem, to benefit from practice - these are all partly genetic and partly cultural, just as intelligence itself is.
I see the birthdates of the playes but they are not at all born in the first half of the year. You have players being born in January, April, June, August, September and December. How is that being born in the first half of the year ??? Can someone elucidate it to me ?
5 out of 25 only meaning 80% of the players were born in the first half of the year of course this is one year only when add data from 10 year and average them you would get a more accurate percentage
C students do their homework 1x. B students do it 2x. A students 3x. An "A" student will rewrite their essay over 20x. They will read a single poem 80x. Will do a math formula over 20x. That's the difference. Not hard work but patience displayed, patience gained, patience cultivated. Perfect Patience. Amazing.
No. The protection of vested interests would encourage capitalization among already privileged sections of the community, not incoming migrants with relatively little to protect. The evidence he's pointing to flies in the face of your first argument. His argument isn't based upon cultural determinism. He's not saying it's because they're Chinese, it's saying it's because of persistent attitudes which form a component of that culture. Re-read your argument. Consider; is it deterministic?
Malcolm is very shortsighted in this regard. The CHL teams care about their success, not development, even though the reason the league exists is for that reason. A team would rather have short term success in drafting the older players because most players leave the league within 3 years. It might not be efficient, but Malcolm's thesis that people who are obsessed with hockey (which is far from true) are ineffective at developing the top talent is invalid, teams care for themselves, not growth
"... we have a scarcity of achievement because we are squandering our talent." And so, "Scarcity is not something we have to live with, it's something we can do something about."
Poverty inhibits capitalization of human potential, relative age effect for hockey players (6 n/a) institutional stupidity, Chinese-americans 2 those w/ave comparable to white-americans high, and professionals 70% v. 60% because they work harder per Flynn.
I would rebuttal about the age theory effect conclusion is not placing enough emphasis on the importance of "size" in athletics. Especially physical sports like hockey. There is a reason they choose the biggest, and it has to do with the advantages size plays in the sport of hockey and in male sports in general when it comes to strength and speed. Where in some sports, size can be a hinderance like gymnastics. Then I would further go on to say that the players in the "second half" hockey league would be the "big players" of the next year's all star list. So its a rolling talent of "big kids." The "second half" kids are kids that would be the "biggest" if they would eventually have become big, in the next year's child hockey draft. Love Gladwell, but the hockey study is poo. Also - to note, if there were infinite hockey trainers than the most efficient way to develop talent would be every day tryouts with new rotations of trainers. Also if child labor laws were not in effect, working children harder could also benefit "grooming" a more productive talent pool. But that is not sustainable nor probable, or humanely empathetic, nor economically efficient due to the law of diminishing returns. So you need to find a good equilibrium - where is that? Not sure. But I would beg to question that 2 major tryout sessions a year for hockey in children under 12 is excessive. Final Edit: American culture is taught to question authority. Chinese culture is not. American culture is to forge your own path and innovate. Chinese is to be a good COG in a brilliant and powerful system. American children dont stop because they dont work hard, they have been taught to ask "why" which probably creates a set of . Where as Chinese culture is efficiency, completion, and status dictate success. This sounds like being an American "homer" but I am just making the contrast of the starkness in the "hero" of culture differences.
As to your first point he doesn't ignore it, everyone knows the truth of that, and as he isn't orientating his speech to morons there is no need for him to state it explicitly as it is implicitly embedded in most of his points. As to your point about the Chinese, you are just repeating what he says from a different angle, there is no disagreement. And you mean to say (sic) "i.e" racial-determinism, not "cultural-determinism" unless you intend to contradict your own statement.
Regardless of the ethnic/racial/national background of the immigrants, they all have a hard work ethic and focus on education and succeeding as opposed to the native born Americans. By lumping the white immigrants with the native born Americans you are presenting a distorted picture of the performance of 'white Americans' as a whole. I would like to know what exactly is meant or represented by the notion of the 'white American' .
I think this talk helped me explain a lot of things on why so much STEM talent could get wasted in the world and in America.
What I like most about Malcolm Gladwell is how he uses facts to back up his point of view. He's got facts equipped like arrows on his back, shooting one after another; all falling into place to make a solid case.
@My Thoughts Smart man
@My Thoughts Hunh?
The reason I decided to coach my son's baseball team is, in part, for the reasons Malcolm mentioned with regards to development. I realized nearly all coaches prioritize the better players (which are usually the older kids) & neglect the other players. No development whatsoever. They also prioritize "winning" over development. Yo would think these people (the coaches) will figure out they're losing all the time because kids are not being developed, but to no one's surprise, they actually blame the the children that don't play well & their parents for letting them join team. Dad to the rescue 💪🏼
_Poverty, Stupidity, and Culture are what stunt capitalization (not ability)_
-Malcolm Gladwell
Malcom you are my favorite social psychologist sir, keep on doing your thing and change the way people think.
Isn't he a journalist?
I listened to audio version of his book "Outliers: The Story of Success." I highly recommend it! amazing book!
thanks !!!
Malcolm is stupid, he blames the environment, if a person wants to do something, poverty cant stop anypne! Hes talking general, not all people thinks like that! Mslcolm is a victim, snd victimhood is contrast to success!
@@denzelwashington6222 Tell that to the forefathers of former slaves, Native Americans and Hispanics whose businesses, homes and lands that they worked hard for to get were taken from them by force or in many cases burned down. Try pulling yourself up by the bootstraps on land that is unproductive, not having an education or being able to get a loan. In the US society has squandered the potential of its people by taking away their choices and forcing them into ghettos and prisons. Yet, the people themselves are to blame for this? Now, these same people along with Asians who are considered poor like Laotians, Cambodians and Vietnamese are demanding their rights. I get tired of hearing that POC are lazy especially Blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans when everyone knows these groups understand what it is to work. Even those with a side hustle have a hustle to the side hustle! So yes, we've wasted our potential so certain sections of our society can enjoy the good life! We could have had the Black and Brown communities out of poverty a long time ago, but as Dr. Gladwell says, "That wasn't a priority!" Now, we're paying a price for all this foolishness because the POC who have succeeded aren't the outliers rather they are proof of how people can succeed when they are properly invested in.
@@fredrika27 too much DRAMA, yout fate is in your hands, not on Malcoms blame book 😂😂😂
The internets greatest contribution is as a social forum without boundaries. It lets an anti-social society socialize, and yes although 99% of people end up arguing over the cutest cat videos of the week, the comments on Malcolm Gladwell videos that inspire thought make it all worth it.
Wonderful lecture. I agree with everything he says with one caveat: I roomed with a fellow midshipman at the U.S. Naval Academy in the early 1970's by the name of Thomas Reilly. He was - by all accounts, including my own - a brilliant student. He majored in aeronautical engineering and received top grades in his chosen major. Also, most of us studied a hell of a lot more than he did just to tread water and get by. He did not and often took weekends off. So, there is a lot to be said about innate talent and how it propels one above the crowd. There was also another student at the Academy by the name of Rocky Raher who was even more brilliant than Reilly, who once took the final exam for differential equations (and aced it) after studying a total of 4 nights. So, does talent matter? Well, what do you think?
Talent definitely DOES matter but what he is talking about (or at least to my understanding) is more from a community aspect. He is saying that as a community (human, country, group, etc) we are not setting people up for success. Of course there are the people who are talented but if we do not do the leg work to set them up to express that talent we will have squandered their potential and life.
But the question remains, what was their preparation like before you knew them? Just like with Gladwell's hockey example, might those two students have had a superior academic upbringing that by the time you knew them they were simply just ahead of the curve?
@@mr_knowitall I don't think so. No matter how "ahead of the curve" you are, no normal human being can teach himself differential equations in 4 nights. These guys had "it."
This is anecdotal evidence, rather than assuming that what you experienced applies to all situations, we should try and collect data to understand the truth.
@@enochbrown8178 I think your story has very narrow ways of defining having "it". I've met geniuses with data who could not handle strategic thinking, or management. "Each is great in his own place, the duty of one is not the duty of the other". Capitalization matters far more than "innate talent", but innate talent matters as well. The problem is capitalizing on it in ways that complements the individual. If you compare all of us to Reilly's ability to master differential equations then we'll all look like comparable apes but you'll also be making poor strategic judgements on how to utilize people given your chosen lens.
Beneficiary of the relative age effect here: My aunt was an educator that told my parents not to enroll me into school until they had to. I was a year more mature and experienced than I would have been if I had been enrolled at the "early" opportunity. I still encourage this.
I also noticed this very early in life. I was put in school age 6 with some kids age 8+. They got consistently better grades, teachers were consistently congratulating them and setting them as standard and insulting us for being less. Every morning waking up deprived of sleep, hungry because of lack of time, school was not a place to learn. I already knew how to read before school so I wasted so many years of my life there.
I hate schools and stupid people that organize the education. I hope their children pay for their misdoings.
I advise everybody to NOT destroy their children with schools. They can read and learn so many things from the internet. Not to mention the old and useless information they teach in schools. Organized education is so hopelessly outdated like the postal services or the rest of the state funded money pits.
I agree. Being older works to your advantage in elementary school. I was the only child born to my parents at the beginning of the year. I did a lot better in school than my siblings, who were born in later months in the year.
Such a genius. Love this
JoeSkutnik me too
I can tell you that drive and passion are factors and you cannot achieve without them. I know a lot of people with tremendous drive and passion but don't get very far. Its about who you know more than anything. Passion helps you succeed once you get there. Knowing someone gets you the opportunity to prove yourself.
The cuts are sometimes a little sharp, but the benefit of the editing is huge. Thank you, whoever it is who started to barely function.
I've worked for a few companies, none of them have ever checked my credit. A friend of mine works for a staffing agency, they don't check credit either. It is actually in a companies interest to hire indebted employees. They *need* this job.
Poverty is the #1 thing that limits human potential. We need to make are biggest focus as a nation trying to get people out of poverty.
Looks like lacking an ethos of hard work is the number one thing that limits potential, since the Asians are coming over here and becoming high income earners in one generation.
Truth well stated.
@@chrono106 nah the only reach out for them is becoming a savage or eaten alive, where ass some have schools others violence. It’s a different world, the schools are poor in those areas it’s not even seen as viable for many. My point was we all fight in different in ways based on where we believe we can be the most dangerous opponent or opening to a way out
that's so funny
I love all these teachings, thanks my dear God.
Inspiring as always Malcolm
I've read interviews from professionals (college graduate that went into a high reward job with high risk) and read a quote saying "As good as people believe I am, there were people in my neighborhood better than I am at my job." Its crazy because imagine if those people had a chance or desired to work at a professional level? How far could we as a human race be? Gladwell is right about the "stupidity" part. Selfishness, cronism, pride, etc. all need to disappear for progress to happen.
gigas81 - end replace with opportunity, compassion and mentoring along with recognition of all types of talents. Your on to something!
Wonderfully explained, as always! I highly recommend everyone to listen to Malcolm's excellent podcast " Revisionist History". It is truly addictive:-)
Thanks a lot for the upload.
Thank you #MalcolmGladwell
Good talk, we need to do better at empowering children and adults of any background to achieve.
Oh wow, what a wonderful TED talk! I sure enjoyed and learned so much. I'ld like a part II outlining how to move beyond these figures.
"hard work" is long hours that lead to nothing. "Successful work" is organized long hours that lead to an aimed goal.
I think he ignores the vested interests of members of the ruling class to perpetuate their own success through their offspring, meaning that being born to wealthy parents increases one's chances for success regardless of persistence of talents.
As for his example of the rates of potential achieved among Chinese immigrants, the overriding factor is not that they are Chinese i.e cultural determinism, but that they are cohort that collectively emigrated as part of an effort towards achievement.
(Last page of rant, I promise)
Compounding the issue further is the fact that most employers now run credit checks on all job candidates. So if you had a car accident, were hospitalized due to illness or injury, or incurred debt for any reason, your chances of getting a job fall to almost zero. Now tell me how a person is supposed to repair their credit, or their jobless situation, if no one will hire the indebted or the unemployed? The system is designed to put you down and keep you there.
Neal Degrasse Tyson is an astrophysicist because he was given the means and he created his own potential that's a great example of capitalising on human potential.
Pretty compelling arguments, however he sticks here to the societal or external factors, which of course have a certain validity about them. There are however also internal factors one needs to consider, which he doesn't here, such as passion and drive. These are two commonly recognised precursors to success which can be beaten out kids, or encouraged in them...to put it bluntly so the point is made.
There are things we and schools do that do not kindle the flames, but rather douse them!
I think he is suggesting that the Canadian hockey league should change their method of selection so that kids who are born in the first half of the year compete in a separate pool from the kids who are born in the second half of the year. The resources spent will be about the same, and it will eliminate the unfair competitive advantage that older kids have. However, I don't think it will ever happen, unfortunately
No wonder I didn’t make the NBA; I was born late November.
Nice mustache
Being born late November would make you one of the oldest kids in your class. Great for Basketball. You likely weren’t tall enough or didn’t practice hard enough.
Zachary Neilson it was a joke, ya turd. But thanks for your completely unsolicited judgment and unfounded assumption on my work ethic.
Vanilla Gorilla my bad
Zachary Neilson height isn’t everything in basketball. It’s mostly practice and the way you use the natural things that you can’t control to your advantage. Look at Isaiah Thomas. He was a top 3 point guard for the Celtics until he got injured. And he was about 5,9
" I saw the best minds of my generation rot." - Alan Ginsberg
Gladwell seems to be moving in a very specific direction with his writing and the conclusions that he is getting to. I think most of the effort of our country is specifically to reduce human capitalization, we do it on purpose to promote status quo stability - I'd hypothesize anyway. I don't recall him writing much about this in Outliers though.
justgivemethetruth what country? Why does this always have to come back to countries? Are you American?
Makes sense! Awesome! If you just listen to his message its hard to argue with!
What an amazing speech!
Judging from his audiobooks I didn't know he was Black. On the topic, his presentation was fantastic. I wish he would have elaborated on HOW we can do something about it!
All things being equal, I think a person with an IQ of 120 will do better than a person of 100. If the 120 person works as hard as the 100 person, he/she will do better.
Poor diet, lack of exercise, addiction, no meditation practice
Go Malcolm - Absolute Genius!
I like how he uses the fraze in a Given , Tells me He's into Statistics :) QC
Great talk but choppy editing. I wish they just posted the entire lecture.
But that was exactly Gladwells argument? That the reason was _cultural_, not racial, cultural in the sense of effort towards achievement (not temples and shrines). Agree comletely with the vested interest to protect their success of the upper class. For the development of society lack of capitalisation is a significant waste.
Why is it that people don't know the difference between the word why and how.
No matter what you say we still won't know why.
People are the greatest resource. When you learn to capitalize on the talent you have an not look to outside source you solve your resource problem. When you learn to harvest the intellectual capital you have then your resource problem will be solved. Our resource problem is a byproduct of poor utilization of the talent we have.
Oh, I agree, the internet seems to be nothing more than exchanges of insults and lame attempts to outwit everyone these days. You're most welcome. :) It's quite an interesting phenomena in regards to how people behave if there are no consequences/accountability.
I agree with Malcolm, fits my experience. But I'd like to see some more evidence.
Educational loan from government Bank or subsidiary is the cheapest. Almost 50% interest rates on other loans whether external or world Bank.
I never mentioned him being a Black speaker, or one who focuses on the Black movement. I just commented on his ethnicity. Albeit, I do see the misunderstanding, and agree that beyond my surprise it is irrelevant. No worries, mate!
You get out of life what you put into it,is life fair,no but there is such a thing as odds and anyone can improve theirs by hard work,most attempts to make life fair are born out of envy of success and bitterness over failure and fail miserably.
Well, another thing to consider is the example of Ted Talks. EVERY TIME they have one about the wealth gap, class warfare, employment rates, corruption, etc, that talk gets banned. So in a discussion like this, it's actually better NOT to mention that, because most people who are willing to listen to such a discussion already factor that in without it being mentioned. It's the elephant in the room that no one will mention because if they do, they aren't allowed to speak.
Whoa! A peaceful argument, it can't be!
lol
Thanks
This is actually Malcolm Gladwell unlike what the thumbnail says.
Factual, logical and analytical
The reason the clapping sounds the way it does has to do with how sensitive the decibels are picked up by the microphone being recorded with.
We need to stop thinking of things in terms of race, we are all mixed race so we should all stop identifing ourselves as black, white, brown, red, or yellow.
Dave Lavish dude this is not the place to start this argument. He is simply explaining an observation
It is very hard not to mistake his examples for the topic. I think the core mistake is very simple. Our idea of education is to have little kids sit still and shut up for the duration of their entire childhood. Education is important but it isn't *that* important. An interest in a topic is all the potential we need. If one doesn't get to see any of the world before age 26 one cant be interested in it either. The scope is just to narrow to cover all bases.
So, what is the solution to the under capitalization of talent? Do we just make our kids try harder to stick with and solve problems?
Why is Gladwell not President?! OH! I get it- He has a brain, is logical, and bases his decisions on scientific fact and is all things that go against our current model. What a shame that we will never reach civility without leaders who won't think like this! Thank you Malcolm for your amazing contributions to the falling of the eye scales and upholding the amazing idea of common sense- YOU SIR! ARE A HERO!
Possibly because he was born in England and raised in Canada. He would make a great Prime Minister though!
That's interesting. My mother is German and Polish, and although I am the same skin tone as Gladwell I haven't been referred as anything other than Black my entire life.
Please don't take that negatively as it isn't the intention. I just find it fascinating that you're not accepted in society until you meet some sort of arbitrary requisites.
So far I agree with, or am amazed by, everything Gladwell says. The only other person I'd put in that same company is Chomsky.
I don't think you need to go through the waste and bother of creating a parallel hockey season, you just have to have younger groups of hockey players segregated by size, in perhaps different leagues, maybe by some formula inputting weight and height.
I wish you would be interested in helping me express to the people what the comprehensive solution to the economic system is. I may have worked very hard to understand the whole thing myself alone, but getting up to explain it to others I find daunting. You have made an interesting point here, which is already has a resolve within my solution.
Does anybody know why there are so many cuts in this talk? It seems like they are cutting out all the five second gaps between sentences
He was providing an alternative explanation for why (so little) people succeed, the one he was providing was contesting scarcity of talent in America. So he didn't show any evidence for it.
I was the youngest in my year at school until the age of 14. I more than held my own in what subjects I was interested in.
Go forth and find a local Maker or Hackspace. Realise your potential by creating what you thing the world needs for yourself. And if there isn't one, start one!
The main reason for why Chinese kids do better in school. Since feudal society, the government has national tests that give different levels of positions in the government, that is a life changer the person and family. The long term effect of this has created a very strong need to educate kids, from family to school environment. On the other hand, US families don’t have that tradition, good test results don’t mean the same, kids in the US see more sucessuful athletes and artists.
You just defined hard work.....
With a viable, measurable, and ROI that makes it WORTH it. In the absence of return on investment of effort, kids WILL give up. We do a really bad job of recognizing and rewarding effort. When a kid with two college degrees and great grades can't get a job that will support his family, WTF is the point? We don't give up because we're lazy. We give up because our efforts go unrecognized. Take the best teachers in America, for instance. What is their motivation to BE the best when Society seems to be convinced they're worthless and that anybody with a heartbeat can do the job.
Ultimately, it's about income potential and the lack of value we put on labor in this country. You don't have these outcomes in more equitable countries.
coda creator Doesn’t seem to fit what Gladwell is saying. He said the most important constraint on a person’s capitalization was how much you valued hard work. That test of the unsolvable math problem didn’t have any discernable ROI but the Asian kids were still working on it for the whole time limit. When that ethos of hard work was compounded over 30 years, it resulted in high levels of professional success. Seems like success is a function of being willing to work hard without necessarily being guaranteed a clear reward.
Don't completely discount IQ. The relative intelligence of a person, while not being the only important factor, can easily be a large benefactor or deficit for learning. Also, not all smart students are the same. Just because you have a high IQ, and person B has an equally high IQ, this does not mean that you prepare the same (or even similarly for that matter). It also doesn't denote being proficient in the same fields either.
Matt Keetley was born literally one day after me. lol.
Dude is awesome
I agree with Gladwell that cap rates vary, but I don't agree when he dismisses the fact that different groups have different inherent abilities (on average). That means all groups of people have the same average inherent abilities in the same areas. If that were the case then there would be a lot more blacks with Nobel prizes in math or sciences or a lot more Asians playing in the NFL or NBA. Gladwell, like all successful writers/speakers, are constrained to stay within the boundaries of political correctness.
I understand what you saying but I wonder how much more the blacks in America would acheive if they were not spending the first half of the 1900s fighting racism and the prior 200 - 300 years being oppressed in slavery and wasnt allowed an education.
@@StephenPodcast Mr Barnes, for sure, you have a valid point and I deplore unfairness in this world. I've also been the victim of prejudice on many occasions. I only meant that Gladwell should take care not to mislead people to the wrong conclusion with his topic of "cap rates".
Missed the point of the talk this is a myopic view. He used hockey to illustrate a point. Talent is being squandered in America. I agree 100%. There is so much that stifles possibility of achievement and he named a few of those things. Nepotism is another. It real is sad. Then we wonder why we do so poorly on national and global achievement levels.
i wonder what he said on all the edited-out parts
you can nprobably find the entire Ted Talk if not on youtube then on TedTalks own site
Pretty awesome argument. We can do better.
What exactly is the more complicated explanation for the under-capitalization of talent in America?
And the thing about the idea of 10,000 hours of practice is that he didn't come up with it, so if you have a problem with the idea, blame the people who originally came up with it.
Oh, I remember why I said it now. Obviously, he doesn't think you have to go to high school to achieve something, to think otherwise you would have to be crazy. If people had to explain out everything they said completely as if nobody had common sense, nothing would get done.
Read the Outliers if you like this talk...
That's a good point, but it just balances Gladwell's really, because you misstate Gladwells opinion as not wanting to develop more people, and that is the key to the future, when we have more people and exponential benefit from all those people when they are better connected to each other and the information. The government has become fearful about this progress because it governs for an elite, and that is the problem.
After I read your comment I thought I had misinterpreted his presentation. I watched again, ending with the same conclusion. I think your comment is exactly the point he was trying to make. He just didn't have the time to fully explore it.
Saying that poverty is a cap, is the same as saying what you said about the wealthy, it's just another factor of the same argument, same with the Chinese.
He didn't say the exact words, but in an extended presentation, your comment would fit his premise.
Yep. Any and all disparities between groups of people could be ameliorated if we all just adopted had a can do attitude. I have a dream that one day any 4'11 85 lbs Vietnamese man will have the same opportunity to play in the NBA as the son of Lebron James.
Except that Malcolm Gladwell isn't African-American. He's Jamaican Marroon-British-Canadian, although he's been living in the US for the past 30 years now.
Great talk really interesting but i really didn't like the editing, it jumped from one frame to another in the worst possible way, i thought i was having a stroke :P
It's exactly equal -- 25% from each quarter? And the differences between players born in the 1980s and those born in the 1900s has no influence on their hockey training and subsequent abilities that? If not, I think this rather proves his point than refutes it -- there is nothing intrinsic about one's birth month that dictates hockey ability.
Speaking of leaping to unfounded conclusions...
p.s. "moot"
wait you don't think that how much pressure we get from our parents and our communities stems from culture?
The ability to delay gratification, to concentrate on a problem, to benefit from practice - these are all partly genetic and partly cultural, just as intelligence itself is.
Capable kids in USA don't go to college, because the tuition fees are extremely high. Not because they are just poor.
That's a bunch of crap. College education is free to those who can't afford it in the US.
I see the birthdates of the playes but they are not at all born in the first half of the year. You have players being born in January, April, June, August, September and December. How is that being born in the first half of the year ??? Can someone elucidate it to me ?
5 out of 25 only
meaning 80% of the players were born in the first half of the year
of course this is one year only when add data from 10 year and average them you would get a more accurate percentage
C students do their homework 1x. B students do it 2x. A students 3x. An "A" student will rewrite their essay over 20x. They will read a single poem 80x. Will do a math formula over 20x. That's the difference. Not hard work but patience displayed, patience gained, patience cultivated. Perfect Patience. Amazing.
alright. into half of the lecture, the only question in my mind is
what is a cap rate?
i hate capitalization.
there's hundreds.
No. The protection of vested interests would encourage capitalization among already privileged sections of the community, not incoming migrants with relatively little to protect. The evidence he's pointing to flies in the face of your first argument. His argument isn't based upon cultural determinism. He's not saying it's because they're Chinese, it's saying it's because of persistent attitudes which form a component of that culture. Re-read your argument. Consider; is it deterministic?
Thinking on a deeper level, US needs to do this more as a collective whole. Let’s all strive to get better!
Malcolm is very shortsighted in this regard. The CHL teams care about their success, not development, even though the reason the league exists is for that reason. A team would rather have short term success in drafting the older players because most players leave the league within 3 years. It might not be efficient, but Malcolm's thesis that people who are obsessed with hockey (which is far from true) are ineffective at developing the top talent is invalid, teams care for themselves, not growth
"... we have a scarcity of achievement because we are squandering our talent." And so, "Scarcity is not something we have to live with, it's something we can do something about."
Poverty inhibits capitalization of human potential, relative age effect for hockey players (6 n/a) institutional stupidity, Chinese-americans 2 those w/ave comparable to white-americans high, and professionals 70% v. 60% because they work harder per Flynn.
Good talk but it's not particularly honest to refer to Gladwell as a sociologist.
why was this recommended? is youtube trying to tell me i'm stupid or something?
I would rebuttal about the age theory effect conclusion is not placing enough emphasis on the importance of "size" in athletics. Especially physical sports like hockey. There is a reason they choose the biggest, and it has to do with the advantages size plays in the sport of hockey and in male sports in general when it comes to strength and speed. Where in some sports, size can be a hinderance like gymnastics.
Then I would further go on to say that the players in the "second half" hockey league would be the "big players" of the next year's all star list. So its a rolling talent of "big kids." The "second half" kids are kids that would be the "biggest" if they would eventually have become big, in the next year's child hockey draft. Love Gladwell, but the hockey study is poo.
Also - to note, if there were infinite hockey trainers than the most efficient way to develop talent would be every day tryouts with new rotations of trainers. Also if child labor laws were not in effect, working children harder could also benefit "grooming" a more productive talent pool. But that is not sustainable nor probable, or humanely empathetic, nor economically efficient due to the law of diminishing returns. So you need to find a good equilibrium - where is that? Not sure. But I would beg to question that 2 major tryout sessions a year for hockey in children under 12 is excessive.
Final Edit:
American culture is taught to question authority. Chinese culture is not. American culture is to forge your own path and innovate. Chinese is to be a good COG in a brilliant and powerful system. American children dont stop because they dont work hard, they have been taught to ask "why" which probably creates a set of . Where as Chinese culture is efficiency, completion, and status dictate success. This sounds like being an American "homer" but I am just making the contrast of the starkness in the "hero" of culture differences.
Does his shirt not fit?
As to your first point he doesn't ignore it, everyone knows the truth of that, and as he isn't orientating his speech to morons there is no need for him to state it explicitly as it is implicitly embedded in most of his points.
As to your point about the Chinese, you are just repeating what he says from a different angle, there is no disagreement. And you mean to say (sic) "i.e" racial-determinism, not "cultural-determinism" unless you intend to contradict your own statement.
Regardless of the ethnic/racial/national background of the immigrants, they all have a hard work ethic and focus on education and succeeding as opposed to the native born Americans. By lumping the white immigrants with the native born Americans you are presenting a distorted picture of the performance of 'white Americans' as a whole. I would like to know what exactly is meant or represented by the notion of the 'white American' .
capitalization rates are low... get it?
six years later and it finally came to me. i get it!
I don't 😂😂😂 can u explain?