Very interesting discussion. I have had some issues with connecting with others and I had a long time spent finding in liminal space after growing up in the Modern Orthodox community. Think of Spinoza!
Recoveringfromreligion.org and The Clergy Project might have some data about folks who leave ultra orthodox communities. They're also a resource for folks who are traumatized by or have difficulties coping with their experiences in and out of religion.
I was always fascinating to do a book on the psychology, behind the manipulation and control of as develop system not by plans just by default, how most stay there as power cult as myself being raised so. Like you see in Scientology or so.
Contrary to Prof Newfield's online presentation his book is primarily a discourse on sociological theory and claims to be a contribution to the same.He claims to be drawing on the concept of rites de passage and Turner's Roman Catholic theological concept of "liminality .He does draw on some anachronistic sources in sociology and anthropology of e.g. the 70s.In doing so he loses the the sense of cruelty privation and hurt experienced by those criticised by regressive forces .Attention shifts away from the direct testimony of survivors which he uses as fodder for his sociological theorising but which encapsulates the vilification and real trauma of rejection .Newfield ignores the non Jewish wider environment in which all this is happening. It's not that leavers are paradoxically unable to leave, It's the reluctance of Jews to criticize Judaism in an anti Semitic public environment regardless of the treatment they have endured .In attempting to ritualise and formalise exiting and entrancing Newfield ignores the .subjective accounts of the unacceptable. and has problems accepting individuality .Abstract theorising replaces empathy for victims of the "system". Analogies with leaving prison and being reintegrated are absurd
Of course it would be most helpful for you and he to have a dialogue on the issues that you raise Prov18 17The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Very interesting discussion. I have had some issues with connecting with others and I had a long time spent finding in liminal space after growing up in the Modern Orthodox community. Think of Spinoza!
Thanks - I have always really appreciated the presentations by this fellow... A great deal of humility, grace and insight
44:30 why not make Torah rolls from some heavy metal requiring strength? Perhaps steel that requires a lot of strength to roll up?
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Recoveringfromreligion.org and The Clergy Project might have some data about folks who leave ultra orthodox communities. They're also a resource for folks who are traumatized by or have difficulties coping with their experiences in and out of religion.
I was always fascinating to do a book on the psychology, behind the manipulation and control of as develop system not by plans just by default, how most stay there as power cult as myself being raised so. Like you see in Scientology or so.
Contrary to Prof Newfield's online presentation his book is primarily a discourse on sociological theory and claims to be a contribution to the same.He claims to be drawing on the concept of rites de passage and Turner's Roman Catholic theological concept of "liminality .He does draw on some anachronistic sources in sociology and anthropology of e.g. the 70s.In doing so he loses the the sense of cruelty privation and hurt experienced by those criticised by regressive forces .Attention shifts away from the direct testimony of survivors which he uses as fodder for his sociological theorising but which encapsulates the vilification and real trauma of rejection .Newfield ignores the non Jewish wider environment in which all this is happening. It's not that leavers are paradoxically unable to leave, It's the reluctance of Jews to criticize Judaism in an anti Semitic public environment regardless of the treatment they have endured .In attempting to ritualise and formalise exiting and entrancing Newfield ignores the .subjective accounts of the unacceptable. and has problems accepting individuality .Abstract theorising replaces empathy for victims of the "system". Analogies with leaving prison and being reintegrated are absurd
Of course it would be most helpful for you and he to have a dialogue on the issues that you raise
Prov18
17The first to state his case seems right
until another comes and cross-examines him.
“Secular education is corrupting to the Jewish soul” al tikrei secular ela lubavitch .
Utter nonsense.
There should be a rule that any Orthodox Jew that goes off the Derech dispose of the religious accent at the same time!