As a F2P player, this sounds like I'm just getting nerfed in every conceivable way, I'm not looking forward to just being shoved way down in all my rankings I worked so hard to achieve. I only have 2 exclusive equipments at 15, and I don't even have enough essence to up tasi and sonja to +10. I'm not even close to paragon, and obviously my celestial heroes are very limited. It might be time to think about an exit strategy.
They are doing these changes, because they have to assure that people who paid to win are actually winning. Low spenders and f2p players are slowly getting those P1 heroes, which is dangerous for high spenders. And the devs need to keep their whales happy, cause the whales are the most important customers who make the entire game profitable.
@@tatotato85 I'm on the f2p side, so I can't answer this question for sure. But based on my experience with gacha games, especially Idle Heroes, yes, these changes will improve experience for majority of high spenders. They like to see the effects of their financial investment and they can be very vocal if they feel that spending high amounts of money is not worth it. Right now I can actually fight in the Supreme Arena against full paragon rosters, having myself just 1 paragon hero. From the spender's point of view this should be impossible.
I agree with you about paragon getting new stats, that recent survey is concerning too, looks like we might be getting pets like in afkarena I just hope they dont keep adding stuff like this or the meta will end up the exact same as afkarena... overtuned
Buffing Paragon Tiers makes the vast majority of players out so yeah, if this keeps happening, the only ones who will stay playing are bots and oil company owners, Puzzle was right, everything is well balanced until now.
You missed the afk stage pushing daily cap :( This will hit a lot of competitive pushers who use this to also gain an edge over higher paragon units early on in the season when you could push levels higher/faster. Also, I agree with the paragon notes, I think the current state is good where a low spender can get to P1 with the right units and be competitive.
But a lot (not all!)of whales don’t care about the “fun” of PvP - they just want to see their name at the top of the list and get max/exclusive rewards.
Why? Did you actually watch the video? The paragon changes only affects pvp. And since we get more temp essences, you will be able to push more toons to EX +20.
And you did the right thing. Currently there are only around 3 heroes which are worth upgrading beyond +10. heroes at +10 will lead you to better versitility in various types of content. Pushing boundaries to the limit will lead you to lack of resources for future characters.
If I have a p4 should still pull for them I'm asking because I want to know is p4 forever gonna be max or are they maybe gonna increase it in the future if so I would like to keep pulling for them
Puzzle, they took it personally when you said Paragon upgrade is a trap 😼, but I think you're right, the game will be less enjoyable with this upgrade stats on Paragon... not a fan either
The game lost many players the last 3 months and they will lose every single players after this season because they are greedy!! You can’t just keep making whales happy because in the end the f2p is the spirit of the game if you lose that then you lose everything.. im playing the game 6 months now maybe bit more and I’m running one of the best guilds in my district but unfortunately after this update i lost my motivation.. if they want to bad an arena for whales they can just make an payable arena just for people who desire to pay to enter and get a joy from wining other people who pay. Anyway puzzle don’t lose your honesty you doing a great job keep saying the good and bad stuffs about this game..
I am full f2p and beating top 3-5 people in arena once in a while, also consistently staying top 20 in arena and dream realm. They are buffing them so that this never happends hahaha. Servers and almost dead. When more f2p players leave i hope only the whale can keep playing rofl. Most probably the last leeching this game is doing before it dies.
Bruh I doubt any of them except for a few hardcores knows about this change 😂 most players are casual af 😂 I consistently rank higher than many clueless whales
For this kind of game, f2p players should play against f2p ones, while p2w plays against p2w players. This is the logic, if f2p players will get a big chance to win p2w players by using so called strategy (actually some unbalanced system in the game such as mauler faction talent) , this is unfair.
I can't grasp the logic of some F2P players. You want to NOT spend money on this game, and still want to be able to stand toes to toes with people who spent thousands of dollars? In a business point of view, that is NOT OKAY at all. They've made Paragon levels affect only in PvP, that's already very generous of them. That's mean you can still compete in other PvE modes. I'm saying this as a low-spenders who spent like 200$ dollars.
That just means you side with the game's business aspect and not the fair-loving community. You do realize that these changes is a starting point? One thing will lead to another from these changes, the next thing you know everything is F2P deadly.
Increasing the power of the EX upgrades and paragon heroes widens the discrepancy between payers and non-payers, it's a change that is good for spenders who will be even stronger and get their moneys worth.
@@alejandromato1992 that's a misconception they need both, without f2p the game won't last, you can't run a game just with whales. Most of the whales will quit playing the game pretty quickly, f2p who enjoys the game will play longer so they need both type of players equally
@ even if that’s true there was a clear difference between whales and f2p in terms of power scaling until faction talents happened and all of a sudden it just doesn’t matter if u have a p2 dio that u invested in all enemy has to do is put an odie and Shakir on mauler tile and gg have a good day, yet the f2p players I’ve seen on these comments r complaining themselves saying the p2w players r crying that they need actual skill when there’s literally no skill involved in a mechanic that the devs created with the mauler tile closes the gap between f2p and p2p instantly, this is after all a business and if the ppl spending in ur game r not happy then u have to do something about it.
The spenders keep the lights on so pipe down. The reality is you f2p players overvalue yourselves too much. The game will be completely fine mark my words, everyone been saying that about Summoners war dying but it's still going strong. As long as the core gameplay is good the game will ALWAYS have players, good luck finding any other game with this type of gameplay
Me and several friends were always sniping the top 50 or above SA rank 10 minutes before reset. Some of us, even myself, many many times could beat the stacked up team like ones with harak, talene, etc, even p1 comp team, with only S+ heroes. I think this certain situation makes mid spenders (vip 7-11) frustrated and leads them to quitting. It's not like we were always winning, but the thing is, we always find weaknesses in their formation. For example, putting many broken dps in one team, so i could focus on bringing my best heroes onto the other two teams.
Im guessing whales are complaining about losing, so they are selling out to the whales. Whales: I spent 10k in this game and im still losing, pls fix AFKJ: Yes sir you should not be losing after spending 10k (Also pls dont quit and give us more money)
I get why they are buffing Paragon. There was basically no difference between S+ and P1. I have been able to beat many full P1 teams with full S+. Made getting P1 over all other heroes to M+ pointless. Now it could actually be good. I honestly don't think it will change top spots of my server much.
The whales probably cried about how their spending has not been worth it since the gains are not as big. This will make things rather weird going forward between f2p and p2w. Yes the spenders help keep the lights on, but when the f2p players leave the game then the only ones left are the p2w players. The older servers are already starting to feel empty.
Lot of you F2p players aren't leaving the game with the investment you already put in. Just need to accept you can't beat the spender and attack someone else🤷🏻♂
@ sorry, you’re talking to me like I’m a f2p player lol, I’m just saying if they swing to hard into the p2w players this game will die out all the same.
@@shishigami4510 they need to restructure the rewards so that p2w and f2p players can each find middle ground. As time goes on and more summons are added into the game it becomes harder for newer players to catch or even compete. Leaderboard rewards add up over time and they do make a difference.
@@jarridkerwin8236 but was i saying, that they already on p2w side, 50lvl its big diff in dmg on boss, if you f2p you never hit top 10 . They just more liking p2w and f2p in this case not gona feel it )
Because P4 already cost $10000. Most of the money is made off VIP 14-16 accounts not the leviathans. This is mainly a buff for people who own a lot of P1's and P2
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As a F2P player, this sounds like I'm just getting nerfed in every conceivable way, I'm not looking forward to just being shoved way down in all my rankings I worked so hard to achieve. I only have 2 exclusive equipments at 15, and I don't even have enough essence to up tasi and sonja to +10. I'm not even close to paragon, and obviously my celestial heroes are very limited. It might be time to think about an exit strategy.
They are doing these changes, because they have to assure that people who paid to win are actually winning. Low spenders and f2p players are slowly getting those P1 heroes, which is dangerous for high spenders. And the devs need to keep their whales happy, cause the whales are the most important customers who make the entire game profitable.
Are they even happy with this? Puzzle is a whale, he didnt sound very thrilled
Puzzle is a whale that identifies with lower spenders thats why. While hes a whale hes more like a mini whale haha.@@tatotato85
@@tatotato85 I'm on the f2p side, so I can't answer this question for sure. But based on my experience with gacha games, especially Idle Heroes, yes, these changes will improve experience for majority of high spenders. They like to see the effects of their financial investment and they can be very vocal if they feel that spending high amounts of money is not worth it. Right now I can actually fight in the Supreme Arena against full paragon rosters, having myself just 1 paragon hero. From the spender's point of view this should be impossible.
Perfectly summed up.
@@tatotato85 he's content creator, not all whale
I agree with you about paragon getting new stats, that recent survey is concerning too, looks like we might be getting pets like in afkarena
I just hope they dont keep adding stuff like this or the meta will end up the exact same as afkarena... overtuned
Illucia was the antagonist of the starter story.
Graveborn mommy
didn't she die when summoning berial ?
And she was lily may "mother" too no ?
@@Mr7sunacorrect
I was hoping she’d be playable someday since her design is so good
@@Mr7suna She isn't Lilly mays actual mother, she brainwashed and enhanced her body to become what Lilly may is now.
I bet they changed it because whales were crying they cant auto win all the time without thinking .
Buffing Paragon Tiers makes the vast majority of players out so yeah, if this keeps happening, the only ones who will stay playing are bots and oil company owners, Puzzle was right, everything is well balanced until now.
Makes sense if they increase temporal essence gains so whales can keep their advantage
I agree, but have they confirmed the temporal essence gain?
@@Bickford-Nicolas_S they're selling temporal essence in the cheap bundle popups for $1
You missed the afk stage pushing daily cap :( This will hit a lot of competitive pushers who use this to also gain an edge over higher paragon units early on in the season when you could push levels higher/faster.
Also, I agree with the paragon notes, I think the current state is good where a low spender can get to P1 with the right units and be competitive.
Thank you for fixing your elijah pronunciation and thanks for the constant content and videos filled with valuable information.
The paragon buff is going to make Clashfronts even more of a stomp fest for the top guilds, on top of the general Arena issues you mentioned.
But a lot (not all!)of whales don’t care about the “fun” of PvP - they just want to see their name at the top of the list and get max/exclusive rewards.
how do you know this?
What are you refuting against? Cause those who don't care about the "fun" actually want to be braindead powerful with buffing paragons
Its gonna be really funny when whales still get diffed by f2p players.
The only whales you're diffing are low/mid spenders LOL. Whales with P3 P4 are undiffable.
@saintpeter6363 I never said anything about myself
@@domiansso It's a figure of speech
RIP my top 10 DR for my full f2p account😢
Why? Did you actually watch the video? The paragon changes only affects pvp. And since we get more temp essences, you will be able to push more toons to EX +20.
@@Bishop3khow do you know that we will get more temporal essences?
I focused on getting as many heros to +10, now I am thinking I should have picked like 5 heros and focused on then for +20...
And you did the right thing. Currently there are only around 3 heroes which are worth upgrading beyond +10. heroes at +10 will lead you to better versitility in various types of content. Pushing boundaries to the limit will lead you to lack of resources for future characters.
i knew that me as f2p in top 5 was not going to last gotta spoil the whales for revenue
If I have a p4 should still pull for them I'm asking because I want to know is p4 forever gonna be max or are they maybe gonna increase it in the future if so I would like to keep pulling for them
Puzzle do you advice me to use the Hero Exchange from simbad to Bonnie?
I have supreme simbad so i Simply Need 20 copies to pull Bonnie to S+
I swap sinbad to bonnie. She's really strong in pvp. Sinbad cant be used in any mode rn, ravage realm in my sv ended.
9:47 I agree
i think that good for paragon1-2 account. and a lot of account in there.
Puzzle, they took it personally when you said Paragon upgrade is a trap 😼, but I think you're right, the game will be less enjoyable with this upgrade stats on Paragon... not a fan either
It means that they’re going to milk the playerbase while its on its peak
do we know if the twins will be available from the cele/hypo chest we get from the end of the season?
I'm pretty sure they won't be include in the current season chest but probably at the end of s3
Latest celehypo will be Harak in the chest.
The game lost many players the last 3 months and they will lose every single players after this season because they are greedy!! You can’t just keep making whales happy because in the end the f2p is the spirit of the game if you lose that then you lose everything.. im playing the game 6 months now maybe bit more and I’m running one of the best guilds in my district but unfortunately after this update i lost my motivation.. if they want to bad an arena for whales they can just make an payable arena just for people who desire to pay to enter and get a joy from wining other people who pay. Anyway puzzle don’t lose your honesty you doing a great job keep saying the good and bad stuffs about this game..
Wait, so the twins are being released before the new season starts? Does that mean they will be added to the final season reward CeleHypo box?
Twins and Lorsan pop up like Nara and Dunlinger at start of the season
Dates are for Vietnam server. Considering their season starts tomorrow, they are getting twins 2 weeks after season start.
"pronouncing it wrong"
also, its Hue-wynn, not Hey-wynn, like "hew" in hewlett packard
I am full f2p and beating top 3-5 people in arena once in a while, also consistently staying top 20 in arena and dream realm. They are buffing them so that this never happends hahaha. Servers and almost dead. When more f2p players leave i hope only the whale can keep playing rofl. Most probably the last leeching this game is doing before it dies.
Its crazy how in wc people are glazing the game like crazy. Really cant see the problem. Getting blinded by freeshit the game gives out.
Bruh I doubt any of them except for a few hardcores knows about this change 😂 most players are casual af 😂 I consistently rank higher than many clueless whales
@MrHjacky I'm also somewhat casual. But it's not a hard problem to see.. they have to be brain dead to not notice.
For this kind of game, f2p players should play against f2p ones, while p2w plays against p2w players. This is the logic, if f2p players will get a big chance to win p2w players by using so called strategy (actually some unbalanced system in the game such as mauler faction talent) , this is unfair.
I can't grasp the logic of some F2P players.
You want to NOT spend money on this game, and still want to be able to stand toes to toes with people who spent thousands of dollars?
In a business point of view, that is NOT OKAY at all.
They've made Paragon levels affect only in PvP, that's already very generous of them. That's mean you can still compete in other PvE modes.
I'm saying this as a low-spenders who spent like 200$ dollars.
But those whales chose to go P3 or P4 knowing these stats.
That just means you side with the game's business aspect and not the fair-loving community. You do realize that these changes is a starting point? One thing will lead to another from these changes, the next thing you know everything is F2P deadly.
well ill enjoy being in top 20 arena as a f2p while i still have it i guess
What can we say?
They need to milk out every penny from the whale before they quit
Increasing the power of the EX upgrades and paragon heroes widens the discrepancy between payers and non-payers, it's a change that is good for spenders who will be even stronger and get their moneys worth.
bad for the rest though. They care for the spenders, but we don't
@@LinguistGRyeah but it’s the spenders that keep the game going so y not?
@@alejandromato1992 that's a misconception they need both, without f2p the game won't last, you can't run a game just with whales. Most of the whales will quit playing the game pretty quickly, f2p who enjoys the game will play longer so they need both type of players equally
@ even if that’s true there was a clear difference between whales and f2p in terms of power scaling until faction talents happened and all of a sudden it just doesn’t matter if u have a p2 dio that u invested in all enemy has to do is put an odie and Shakir on mauler tile and gg have a good day, yet the f2p players I’ve seen on these comments r complaining themselves saying the p2w players r crying that they need actual skill when there’s literally no skill involved in a mechanic that the devs created with the mauler tile closes the gap between f2p and p2p instantly, this is after all a business and if the ppl spending in ur game r not happy then u have to do something about it.
The spenders keep the lights on so pipe down. The reality is you f2p players overvalue yourselves too much. The game will be completely fine mark my words, everyone been saying that about Summoners war dying but it's still going strong. As long as the core gameplay is good the game will ALWAYS have players, good luck finding any other game with this type of gameplay
Me and several friends were always sniping the top 50 or above SA rank 10 minutes before reset. Some of us, even myself, many many times could beat the stacked up team like ones with harak, talene, etc, even p1 comp team, with only S+ heroes. I think this certain situation makes mid spenders (vip 7-11) frustrated and leads them to quitting.
It's not like we were always winning, but the thing is, we always find weaknesses in their formation. For example, putting many broken dps in one team, so i could focus on bringing my best heroes onto the other two teams.
@@akhfarahmannabiel7896 HAAAAANK DONT ABBREVIATE SUPREME ARENA, HAAAAAANK
Im guessing whales are complaining about losing, so they are selling out to the whales.
Whales: I spent 10k in this game and im still losing, pls fix
AFKJ: Yes sir you should not be losing after spending 10k (Also pls dont quit and give us more money)
honestly, I've never really liked the paragon system and this just makes it worse for me
I get why they are buffing Paragon. There was basically no difference between S+ and P1. I have been able to beat many full P1 teams with full S+. Made getting P1 over all other heroes to M+ pointless. Now it could actually be good. I honestly don't think it will change top spots of my server much.
Does “paragon” term refer to both hypo/cele?
obviously for the whales
Why ? Money.
I'm happy about it
yeah. the paragon and +20 buffs are unnecessary
The whales probably cried about how their spending has not been worth it since the gains are not as big. This will make things rather weird going forward between f2p and p2w. Yes the spenders help keep the lights on, but when the f2p players leave the game then the only ones left are the p2w players. The older servers are already starting to feel empty.
Lot of you F2p players aren't leaving the game with the investment you already put in. Just need to accept you can't beat the spender and attack someone else🤷🏻♂
Hight problem is lvl is insane how big difference between f2p and p2w its about 300-400lvl 😢
@ sorry, you’re talking to me like I’m a f2p player lol, I’m just saying if they swing to hard into the p2w players this game will die out all the same.
@@shishigami4510 they need to restructure the rewards so that p2w and f2p players can each find middle ground. As time goes on and more summons are added into the game it becomes harder for newer players to catch or even compete. Leaderboard rewards add up over time and they do make a difference.
@@jarridkerwin8236 but was i saying, that they already on p2w side, 50lvl its big diff in dmg on boss, if you f2p you never hit top 10 . They just more liking p2w and f2p in this case not gona feel it )
Why buff existing paragon? It's bleeding potential money. Add 4 new levels of paragons on top of the old ones and let the whales spend.
Because P4 already cost $10000. Most of the money is made off VIP 14-16 accounts not the leviathans. This is mainly a buff for people who own a lot of P1's and P2
@rocketcider7761 Fair, but this way all f2p and small spenders can drop competition and leave their guild's, because why bother.
Finally can leave the game. Saves me.alot.of money kekw
It's fair for whales since they are the lifeblood of this game, especially now that they've increased temporal essence rewards.
Exactly