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@@kenshinrules2 why would it? Graphics are still good even today, big but not too big map and gameplay still solid. Except for the invisible walls that are a bit too big, it mostly doesn't need a remake at all.
"The only real complaint I have about the soundtrack is that it specifically caters to a few niches of metal and seems to thumb its nose at others." LOL that makes it the IDEAL metal soundtrack. Have you ever met a metalhead? They're more territorial than a lioness.
You forgot to mention that all the small birds in the sky are microphones, and their nests are audio chords usually at the top of mic stands. They have little wings. I got the camera to glitch on a multiplayer map and got to see them up close :)
I think of this game from time to time. The concept of a game world inspired by metal album covers is genius. It's a fucking shame it's never been tried again. So much untapped potential.
Two things: 1. This game doesn't rock, rock isn't hard enough. 2. It took me faaaaar too long to realize that "It's coming down", the Ironheade nuke, is a Led Zeppelin reference
There was a cool story I read in a magazine once that someone unlocked that solo, then performed it to see what it does, and at the same time his TV kind of exploded.
Discussions about modern metal aside, I am so glad that you covered this game. During my early teens it was my happy place in a time when I didn’t have too many friends and had to deal with some severe bullying. Even if it’s somewhat a parody of metal culture, I ate it up and it drove me straight into the heavy metal subculture. I loved finding new and interesting bands as well as lesser know tracks by bands I already knew of. For about a year my music taste was literally the soundtrack to this game lol. I have branched out a fair bit since then, but I found some some of my favourite songs through this game and I still love them with all my heart. I still get all warm and fuzzy when replaying this game (which I must have done over 10 times by now) and I can’t help myself forgiving every drawback it has. This video really made me remember how much I love Brutal Legend and you might have triggered me to replay it again now.
Brutal Legends isn't a parody of metal culture, its a celebration of metal culture that doesn't take itself too seriously.\ But yeah brutal legends introduced me to some great bands and i'm glad to hear that it did that for you too. It has its flaws but its positive more than make up for it. (at least for a lover such as you and myself).
AAAAH, you awful human being (lovingly said not to be taken seriously) , now I want to write a fourth campaign. And I've only landed what I wanted for the setting in the second!
This game has an awesome world that I really wish double fine made a sequel for it. It's got its flaws but goddamn does it have an awesome art stylel and personality.
I am a compleate metal head, have been for years, back when i got this game, i fell in love, i started replaying it recently and damn, it is so good, so seeing a channel that im a big fan of review this game just brings me joy
Honestly if I was to make a sequel to this game it would be about the child of Eddie and his/her personal journey of self discovery and musical taste. Mainly after he/she is pressured into only accepting a certain type of music by the people around him. How it would go is after a long time of being accosted by the environment around him for not fitting in the main character find a chest with a mythic record player and a box of records. There is four records each representing a different musical style. All these places are like the the land of Brutal Legend they are the mythical ideal of the genre. In each land you'll meet you're guide who will take you through the land discovering and makes it great in its own ways and how it has more in common with other genres of music than one would think. Along with that you'll be discovering more about yourself at the same time. The four lands would be the land of country a southern/western world based on Americana folklore with someone like Charley Crocket or Hank Williams the 3rd as your guide. Then off to the land of Rock n Roll a land based on the greaser/rock and roll lifestyle imagine Vegas, hotrods, Vegas all that good stuff and your guide will be Brian Seltzer. After that you go to the land of punk which is based on rebellious and xtreme lifestyle but with the lowdown and dirty vibe lead by your guide CJ Ramone or Tim Armstrong. And finally the world of rap and urban and soulful land where you are lead through by MF Doom. The reason I've chosen these genres is because they are the changing points in music history that the older generation was against even though the older genres are by the the end of the day what made the music of today. And when you are done with your adventure you head back to the land of metal with friends you met in each area to help defeat an evil that is the embodiment of things like depression, sadness, oppression, and creative discouragement that can only be defeat by the power of understanding that all types of music is good in its own way and only through understanding and encouragement of music and creative can we get through anything. But that's just what I think would work
There really aren’t enough of this kind of 3rd person RTS (as opposed to top-down). I feel like it’s a concept that could go far, but never really has had its day. This and Sacrifice are the only two I know of.
In regards to the passionate talk at the current state of metal, Nu Metal songs are actually so old now that not only several people are feeling nostalgic for them, but people are getting introduced to such music through their parents... a few unashamedly are even forming bands inspired by nu metal like Chaoseum. And considering that well... Slipknot is currently one of the biggest metal bands right now and how Rammstein managed to reach number 1 in over 10 countries with their untitled album, It's safe to say that Nu and industrial Metal (or music similar to it) isn't as universally hated as it's made out to be. I can't speak for americans, but power metal bands like Sabaton and Powerwolf are doing very well in Europe, dominating the charts in their selective countries. Granted, they are old bands, but the fact that they can consistently be high in music charts, reaching number 1 in certain countries with their new albums, it's unlike anything compared to the metal scene in the US from statistics standpoint. It's very likely that metal will not see a revival in the mainstream through 80s elitists, but people that grew up with Sabaton or Slipknot. From my experience, for all the mockery that nu metal or power/symphonic metal music gets, it actually hosts the least toxic metal community. Such communities seem to be way more welcoming of new things and experimentation. Oh and of course, newcomers like Ghost also foster a fairly large community that doesn't give a crap what the elitists say. I highly doubt that metal will die out. Just because mainstream US media almost exclusively gives traction to the same old 80s stuff, that doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks the same way.
@@Kytseo The only thing I knew going in was that it was a heavy metal game starring Jack Black. I didn't see any real adverts or anything, so the RTS gameplay was more a nice change of pace compared to other games for me. But of course, other people have other tastes.
Brutal legend is such an underrated game. I would kill for a sequel or a remaster for it. I love every single thing about this. The belt buckle is actually a token from the fire beast that Eddie took from his dad to honor him and used it as a belt buckle and it took him back in time in the age of metal. The game even has some hidden lore that you need to take your time to look for. I bought this game on sale to relive my childhood memories playing this. I’m excited to see someone talk about this game since it’s once in a blue moon someone mentions it and even more rare to see someone actually making a video dedicated to brutal legend.
during your rant about new metal, you sound pretty much exactly like my dad. who's in a metal band. a few weeks ago, i actually saw alien weaponry, knocked loose, and gojira in concert and it was the BEST. im not into the metal scene as much as most people, but i had a lot of fun and it makes me want to get even more involved. plus, i learned moshing as a scrawny fourteen year old is a LOT more fun than it sounds (and made some of my friends a little grossed out/scared of me haha)
"Nu Metal" is an unlistenable abomination, second only to Grunge which was the worst thing to happen to Metal. Don't even get me started on the evidently corporate "Punk" groups of the late 90's/early 00's.
This was the ultimate game I wanted to love but coudn't. Brutal Legend was meant to be right up my alley because I started to listen to BS and Motörhead literally year or two before. But man, the gameplay was rough. That weird mix of strategy/tower defense killed the entire game for me.
I'm a huge strategy nerd and play all kinds of games in the genre, from 4X games to RTS and so on, but despite that the strategy part of Brutal Legend was so incredibly out of place. I like the experimentation but damn, it felt so off in a game like that.
As a metalhead, the new 'metal' thing that has gotten me most excited in the last few years isn't even actually metal. I'm talking about Darksynth, essentially synthwave with a healthy dose of hard rock/heavy metal sensibility. Acts like Perturbator, Carpenter Brut, Dance with the Dead, Scandroid really get my blood pumping. Good stuff.
I agree and disagree with the end section. While much of metal tends to be stale and formulaic - that's what happens in the biggest pillars of the scene, and the niches of metal right now, as decentralized as it is, is large, very alive, and very creative. People nowadays tend to get introduced to the genre via old shit thanks to streaming making what's "current" less relevant. Metal doesn't need the top 100's and it never was a genre that broke that top 100 that much. It's always thrived in its niche, but connected scenes. "Mainstream" acts right now are massive and very popular, but not chart toppers, and that's fine. If it gets people in, and similar stuff drops them into the real meat of the underground, then that's awesome. Metalheads have always been gatekeepy but I think that's just a side effect of a standard that makes so many smaller bands produce such amazing and enjoyable music to this day.
Man I love this game, play it every year or two. I never end up liking the strategy elements any more, but I don't hate them. Found it in a Game Informer magazine around the time it came out, I just remember seeing the giant wall of amps, the bleak fields, and then seeing it all in action in different trailers being totally mesmerized, I got to play it for a night at a friend's house, thought about it ever since, until quite a few years later, after I dove head first into heavy metal and all things related this became one of the first games I played on a new computer, and one of the best game I've ever played. The most metal game in existence, others come close, but this one really nails it.
As someone who wasn't into metal before this game came out (and still only casually listens to it), I absolutely love this game. It really got me into the genre and showed me how varied it could be. A few tracks were even fun, relaxing, or beautiful to listen to, and I still listen to them from time to time. I even loved the RTS part, which I felt had some of the most epic gameplay moments of the main story. You had a good point about introducing the player to playing other factions. I think a cleaner solution could've been utilizing side quests to introduce the player to other factions. Have one side character per enemy faction who asks you to help them revolt against their leaders via RTS battles, or something of the sort. Have those questlines unlock further as you progress the main story, and you get to experience all three factions at once, with roughly the same pacing, in a way that still suits the story. Personally, I thought the Drowning Doom were really cool and would've leaped at the chance to play as them, especially since I already liked the RTS battles. If I had experience with all three factions, I probably would've even given the online mode a chance instead of mostly ignoring it. That said, this is probably a design decision that would've had to be made early on. But if by some impossibly chance there's a Brutal Legend 2, they could probably try a similar approach.
I get what you're saying at the end, Charlatan. However, there is some exceptional talent out there exploring what the genre can do. Up and comers to pay attention to in no real order: Imperial Triumphant Bolzer Chthe'ilist Cryptic Shift Expander Zeal and Ardor Green Lung Panegyrist White Ward Gorrch
now that i really think of it, the best modern metal i've heard is from fictional bands. SAMURAI from cyberpunk and STARLORD from guardians of the galaxy
I feel like genre-nazism and gatekeeping is inherent to any counter culture thing. I love metal. All kinds. Metalcore, ghost, old school stuff (metallica, pantera, megadeath, iron maiden, etc) The scene exists. It's different though. I just had an excellent time at a concert with august burns red, fit for a king, erra, and like moths to flames. Great show!!! And RIP warped tour. Warped tour got more people into that heavy style genre of music than anything else.
Warped Tour had some really cringey bands, but without it I don't think metalcore would be nearly as popular as it is today. Probably wouldn't have gotten the modern prog metalcore scene either. Also I saw that same tour. Not a big LMtF fan, but they all killed it and obviously ABR is god tier
Yeah. Any counter culture movement that hits mainstream will try to gate-keep people out as a means of trying to stay counter culture. Otherwise it becomes part of the culture (which is just a matter of time). Not saying that this is either good or bad.
Hehe dude this is such a fun video, on how "metal" is part of a young mans personal idenitity. I went from metal to techno, and still wore a black shirt lol. The thing is music is advancing so fast, the culture, the media, the everything, theres not gonna be "a thing" from now on , just a bunch of niches that people find their identities in and mix and match maaaaan
I'll have you know that some of this new wave of old school thrash metal is fucking Banging. Some of these bands like Traitor, Hazzerd etc. manage to hit the exact right classic style of thrash metal but with a much higher quality of sound and mixing than some of this really old thrash metal. It's like the best of both worlds!
I'm glad I didn't experience this game on my own. When I finally picked it up in 2013 or so the multi-player has been looooong dead. Very grateful for this game all around though. It introduced me to heavy metal.
This game was apart of my childhood and as an adult now and playing it back with a bit more adult mindset...Yup still one of my favorites even if it's super flawed. I love the mix of hack and slash and the rts. It essentially was the start of how I got into everything metal be it Black Metal, Power Metal, or even Melodic Death Metal and Prog. The lore is still hella sick.
12:46 It is said that sacrificing 99 unopened mint physical copies of Psychonauts by crushing the disks into dust, then melting the dust into a mirror set into a pentagram mold grants the devotee an audience with Dark Lord Schafer at midnight. I'd give it a try.
My idea of a Brutal Legend 2 ironically came from a Babymetal song lol, specifically Ijime Dame Zettai: I am considering writing a fanfic on it but kinda reserved about it since my knowledge of metal is peripheral at best. And please don't mind me being a weeb for saying that... 1. Some time in the future, Hip Hop took over as the dominant music and culture in the once land of Metal. Hip hop subgenre artists represent different factions (e.g. Eminem, 50 cent, Kanye etc) run different regions of the world, and every other living person submits to various Hiphop factions. 2. Eddie was gone in that whole Captain America situation, but he has children still stuck in the Land of Metal and they end up being the MCs for most of the game, trying to fight the Hiphop factions in a form of resistance until they can eventually they can find a way to summon Eddie. 3. Eddie's kids resemble Babymetal, and that creates a lot of problems for them at the start. 4. What is left of Metal (Ironhead) resistance is as you said, split up into small resisting factions that have resorted to infighting because of the "you're not true metal" thing. They also view Eddie's kids as definitely "not true Metal" and pariahs because they do not fall on any specific "old school" genre but rather its own "milkdrinker" mockery, and their existence is deemed an abberation. They slowly build their own faction and try and convince/conquer the other splintered Metal factions.
The action/ RTS hybrid gameplay was very similar to Giants: Citizen Kabuto in my opinion. Basically it was the Heavy f@king metal version of Giants! I also loved the humor elements. One of my all-time favorite game.
I bought this game, day one, way back in the day for the PS3. While It's not my number 1 favorite game of all time, it's still high in my list of favorites, and is a game I remain fond for. It was also a game that helped me GREATLY expand my love for metal. Many of the bands, or even at least songs, I listen to today are thanks to this game. It was such a transcendent love letter to both metalheads and gamers that it became its own artpiece, uniting the mediums in ways that haven't been done prior or since. I need to go and play the game again. It's been too long.
I think the plot idea for BL 2 you listed would be a great commentary on the issues you bring up. Style them all off of new metal styles, add in the 'old school faith keeper' style and make it about them all unifying and strengthening everyone.
They need to make Brutal Legend 2 death metal and deathcore themed. The death metal faction could be a bunch of bandage edge lord slasher types and the deathcore faction could be a bunch of drunks and stoner punks.
Hearing this game described as an isekai is like getting flashbanged and rushed with a tomahawk. Also, tip for the screenshot art collection thing, go for the tourist-binoculars things. no brutal legend logo, no camera finagling, all the angles are just gorgeous, just look through one and screenshot at the end of the camera pan.
Bought it at Steam sale still as fun as i remember it from the ps3. The whole journey feels epic, the music is the best genre in the world and the whole thing feels retro. 9/10
I hated rts games growing up but loved action adventure games. That’s what I feel is such a surprising aspect of this game, I had no idea I was playing an rts untill it was pointed out to me by a friend during multiplayer. The story, world, history I fell in love with everything this game had to offer. I held on to hope for a brutal legend 2 to this day.
The one gripe I have with the soundtrack placement, yes, one, is the segment where they choose to shove in Through the Fire and the Flames. It is an awesome song but while it does sound like it would be perfect for escaping enemy bombardment in a collapsing stronghold it really didn't fit the action quite right. It's a long ass song and that sequence is over way too quickly.
Yeah, I hear you on the narrow definition of metal. There's definite irony in that The Smashing Pumpkins, the band that most overtly took inspiration from Black Sabbath, and which is definitely metal if you listen to their albums, would probably be labeled as outside the metal genre by this game.
The only thing Ghost has in common with ABBA is that they got one song stuck on the collective Swedish radio playlist for two years in a row. (I miss it so much.)
Tim Schaeffer, if you ever watch these BL videos, please remaster this. I will give you my mortgage and my house to ever play a remaster of this game, I grew up, breathed, and loved this game through and through.
On the metal rant, this isn't so much of a problem in europe. there is success of metal bands in large in sweden and germany that are not hyperorthodox.
Oh my god yes I fucking loved this game so much. Think I've played through it a good fifty thousand times. Gutted it never got a sequel. EASILY the best soundtrack for a game by a long shot
I really liked the game, including RTS mode, but I must admit, that pasing after the middle of the game and introduction of black tears gang - became strange. There actual crysis began. The last mission comes as a surprise to be honest. You think that now you finished with black tears and now going into finalee to fight daemons - and it suddenly ends.
@@cosmicpanda7043 oh yeah man, Mephistofeles from Argentina are probably the best Wizard worshippers today. Dumbledore's first album was great from Brazil. From Eastern Europe there's always Dopelord, and Beastwars from NZ
Totally agree on some other comments here, metal is not dead or dying, it is at least live and well in europe, particulary in northern europe. Of the top of my head some bands would be Sabaton, Nightwish and Battle Beast.
Brütal Legend was the video game version of Dethklok... If a 2 were ever to happen (sometime after Half-life 3 and Beyond Good and Evil 2), I feel like there would have to be some sort of crossover especially seeing as how Cartoon Network killed it before the Brendon could really finish the Metalocaltpse storyline... Feels like the right level of reverence, satire, and epic scale
I'll admit that your criticisms of Eternal were kind of bad but I'm not gonna beg for another vid on it. I'm glad that you covered Brutal Legend and I love the indieween and I love the Bioshock vids. Keep up the good work and don't let the others in the Doom fanbase deter you from speaking your mind.
I am personally a big fan of the RTS battles, and did play a fair ammount of it online. It's problems come down to quite a few things. Most people were caught unaware that the game was gonna feature them, so what seemed like an open world hack-n-slash adventure, was a "open world battlefield commander" type game, somewhat in the vein of "overlord". Simply put, i think it was the wrong game for a lot of the players, despite it being fairly good. When i say fairly good, i'm docking points for how tutorializing almost all the battles are. All of the story battles until the last few, aren't about the fundamentals of the RTS game, but about using and understanding the new unit. If there ever so often was a battle where you didn't have a new unit, but you needed to outplay the AI a bit more, the war might feel a little bit more consequential. In the multiplayer, the tainted coil made for very un-fun games, because their lategame units were riddiculously effective, but their early game units were fairly easily dispatched. Drowning doom weren't that fun to play as, because it was always the opponent responding to you, so you didn't have to make that many decisions. Ironheade is well rounded, but their units feel a bit basic. For the SC2 players out there, Ironheade feels like you're playing with only Wings of Liberty units.
Now the metal rant you had there is interesting. And the things you were talking about go in an interesting direction, at least at Russian scene. A lot of people who were initially into metal start performing in different genres and for the most part it's some form of experimental rap. It can be anything from some form of Russian Molotov (Anacondaz) and something on the verge of both genres (Loqimean, Noize MC) and end up with something absolutely brutal like an acid trip of a genre that is Nuclear Rap (2rbina 2rista, Ram) and they still bring that spirit, that attitude with them. Also, Japanese bands are doing pretty good and while they sound metal, they still find a way to do something wack which makes me to believe that after the Death of the old, something new will eventually rise.
I'm the opposite of you, I love the RTS bits and dread the action parts, because of how barebones it is by necessity. But I still love the game. Not a metal fan myself, but I can appreciate the culture represented, and adore the visuals of the game, and as you say it's just a fun and funny game to boot so there's still something for anyone to enjoy
I think it was Razbuten who summed it up perfectly in a video about UI(?) saying something along the lines of “I want to love it, but only like it.” It’s okay, but it seems torn between a bunch of different gameplay systems and genres to where none of them get the space or focus they need for a _great_ experience. This game deserved to be better than it was.
Replaying it for the first time since I was kid at the moment, I honestly think it’s one of the smoothest Ps3 games out there especially considering it’s Age. The Cast was unreal 😍
Solid video overall until the end. I dunno, count me as one of the guys who doesn't think metal needs chart topping albums (there's a pretty vibrant scene in 2021 imo) but the failure of metal to break top 100 doesn't sound like the fault of a bunch of purists complaining on social media. Metal, even at the height of its popularity, has always been kinda niche.
It was pretty mainstream in the 80s and 90s. IMHO I prefer it not being at the top of the charts because instead of making crap that appeals to the masses you can actually make good music
@@shredgordon3240 Right, basically what I'd say was the height of metal's popularity. To illustrate my point, look at the top 50 highest selling artists of all-time. You'll see bands that get either labelled as metal or were influential on it's early development, sure. but not nearly as many who could be called country, hip hop, pop, or rock. Metal bands with broad mainstream appeal are few and far between or exist in an era when, for bizarre historical and cultural reasons, there's a large enough market of people for that sort of thing ala nu-metal in the 90's.
@@lyreface8394 the problem with his complaint is that there's no way for moderns metal to break into the charts without being poppy autotune garbage. Architects and BMTH tried to follow that path and it killed their sound completely
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Please make a review for the Venture Bros, before the movie comes out!!!
Have you heard of Zeal and Ardor? They're like black metal and soul's baby.
The only problem with Brütal Legend is that there isnt a Brütal legend 2
Correct.
Also never been remastered
@@kenshinrules2 why would it? Graphics are still good even today, big but not too big map and gameplay still solid. Except for the invisible walls that are a bit too big, it mostly doesn't need a remake at all.
Same
"The only real complaint I have about the soundtrack is that it specifically caters to a few niches of metal and seems to thumb its nose at others."
LOL that makes it the IDEAL metal soundtrack. Have you ever met a metalhead? They're more territorial than a lioness.
You forgot to mention that all the small birds in the sky are microphones, and their nests are audio chords usually at the top of mic stands. They have little wings. I got the camera to glitch on a multiplayer map and got to see them up close :)
So instead of listening to the birds singing, the birds listen to you sing
Tim Schafer has this weird trend with Birds not being real.
I think of this game from time to time. The concept of a game world inspired by metal album covers is genius. It's a fucking shame it's never been tried again. So much untapped potential.
Hold my Dr. Pepper…
Two things:
1. This game doesn't rock, rock isn't hard enough.
2. It took me faaaaar too long to realize that "It's coming down", the Ironheade nuke, is a Led Zeppelin reference
"Stop making that 'oooooooh' sound with your mouth and start talking about the humanity!"
There was a cool story I read in a magazine once that someone unlocked that solo, then performed it to see what it does, and at the same time his TV kind of exploded.
Discussions about modern metal aside, I am so glad that you covered this game. During my early teens it was my happy place in a time when I didn’t have too many friends and had to deal with some severe bullying. Even if it’s somewhat a parody of metal culture, I ate it up and it drove me straight into the heavy metal subculture. I loved finding new and interesting bands as well as lesser know tracks by bands I already knew of. For about a year my music taste was literally the soundtrack to this game lol. I have branched out a fair bit since then, but I found some some of my favourite songs through this game and I still love them with all my heart. I still get all warm and fuzzy when replaying this game (which I must have done over 10 times by now) and I can’t help myself forgiving every drawback it has. This video really made me remember how much I love Brutal Legend and you might have triggered me to replay it again now.
Brutal Legends isn't a parody of metal culture, its a celebration of metal culture that doesn't take itself too seriously.\
But yeah brutal legends introduced me to some great bands and i'm glad to hear that it did that for you too. It has its flaws but its positive more than make up for it. (at least for a lover such as you and myself).
Also this video is going straight into my D&D Playlist so I can use the lore explanation and your sequel idea for a campaign setting.
AAAAH, you awful human being (lovingly said not to be taken seriously) , now I want to write a fourth campaign. And I've only landed what I wanted for the setting in the second!
This game has an awesome world that I really wish double fine made a sequel for it. It's got its flaws but goddamn does it have an awesome art stylel and personality.
Seems to me that it's a better candidate for a remake/reimagining than a sequel.
He said if psychonauts 2 made a certain amount then when he did he was real coy about yes or no
I am a compleate metal head, have been for years, back when i got this game, i fell in love, i started replaying it recently and damn, it is so good, so seeing a channel that im a big fan of review this game just brings me joy
Honestly if I was to make a sequel to this game it would be about the child of Eddie and his/her personal journey of self discovery and musical taste. Mainly after he/she is pressured into only accepting a certain type of music by the people around him. How it would go is after a long time of being accosted by the environment around him for not fitting in the main character find a chest with a mythic record player and a box of records. There is four records each representing a different musical style. All these places are like the the land of Brutal Legend they are the mythical ideal of the genre. In each land you'll meet you're guide who will take you through the land discovering and makes it great in its own ways and how it has more in common with other genres of music than one would think. Along with that you'll be discovering more about yourself at the same time. The four lands would be the land of country a southern/western world based on Americana folklore with someone like Charley Crocket or Hank Williams the 3rd as your guide. Then off to the land of Rock n Roll a land based on the greaser/rock and roll lifestyle imagine Vegas, hotrods, Vegas all that good stuff and your guide will be Brian Seltzer. After that you go to the land of punk which is based on rebellious and xtreme lifestyle but with the lowdown and dirty vibe lead by your guide CJ Ramone or Tim Armstrong. And finally the world of rap and urban and soulful land where you are lead through by MF Doom. The reason I've chosen these genres is because they are the changing points in music history that the older generation was against even though the older genres are by the the end of the day what made the music of today. And when you are done with your adventure you head back to the land of metal with friends you met in each area to help defeat an evil that is the embodiment of things like depression, sadness, oppression, and creative discouragement that can only be defeat by the power of understanding that all types of music is good in its own way and only through understanding and encouragement of music and creative can we get through anything.
But that's just what I think would work
That would be cool.
The RTS was actually my favorite part of this game, simple as it is. It has a lot of charm.
There really aren’t enough of this kind of 3rd person RTS (as opposed to top-down). I feel like it’s a concept that could go far, but never really has had its day. This and Sacrifice are the only two I know of.
In regards to the passionate talk at the current state of metal, Nu Metal songs are actually so old now that not only several people are feeling nostalgic for them, but people are getting introduced to such music through their parents... a few unashamedly are even forming bands inspired by nu metal like Chaoseum. And considering that well... Slipknot is currently one of the biggest metal bands right now and how Rammstein managed to reach number 1 in over 10 countries with their untitled album, It's safe to say that Nu and industrial Metal (or music similar to it) isn't as universally hated as it's made out to be.
I can't speak for americans, but power metal bands like Sabaton and Powerwolf are doing very well in Europe, dominating the charts in their selective countries. Granted, they are old bands, but the fact that they can consistently be high in music charts, reaching number 1 in certain countries with their new albums, it's unlike anything compared to the metal scene in the US from statistics standpoint.
It's very likely that metal will not see a revival in the mainstream through 80s elitists, but people that grew up with Sabaton or Slipknot. From my experience, for all the mockery that nu metal or power/symphonic metal music gets, it actually hosts the least toxic metal community. Such communities seem to be way more welcoming of new things and experimentation.
Oh and of course, newcomers like Ghost also foster a fairly large community that doesn't give a crap what the elitists say. I highly doubt that metal will die out. Just because mainstream US media almost exclusively gives traction to the same old 80s stuff, that doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks the same way.
"We need new bands"
Me here listening to Alestorm, Sabaton, and Beast in Black.
Falconer?
Amen, brother ! 🤟😎
A man of culture
Does gloryhammer count? No wait that's power metal.
Amon Amarth?
Still one of my favorite games ever.
People can have their gripes, after all its adverts never really pushed that it was actually an RTS.
It's EA adverts, Schaefer, apparently, was pretty honest about it being an RTS.
@@Kytseo The only thing I knew going in was that it was a heavy metal game starring Jack Black. I didn't see any real adverts or anything, so the RTS gameplay was more a nice change of pace compared to other games for me. But of course, other people have other tastes.
yea I hate that Tim schafer said that "People were so cagey about the RTS elements" because that's your fault Tim you hardly told anyone about it
@@abyssdreamer6286 He apparently did, but Activision didn't
The lack of a photo mod is one of the things that show this game really deserves the remastering treatment.
Brutal legend is such an underrated game. I would kill for a sequel or a remaster for it. I love every single thing about this. The belt buckle is actually a token from the fire beast that Eddie took from his dad to honor him and used it as a belt buckle and it took him back in time in the age of metal. The game even has some hidden lore that you need to take your time to look for. I bought this game on sale to relive my childhood memories playing this. I’m excited to see someone talk about this game since it’s once in a blue moon someone mentions it and even more rare to see someone actually making a video dedicated to brutal legend.
during your rant about new metal, you sound pretty much exactly like my dad. who's in a metal band. a few weeks ago, i actually saw alien weaponry, knocked loose, and gojira in concert and it was the BEST. im not into the metal scene as much as most people, but i had a lot of fun and it makes me want to get even more involved. plus, i learned moshing as a scrawny fourteen year old is a LOT more fun than it sounds (and made some of my friends a little grossed out/scared of me haha)
"Nu Metal" is an unlistenable abomination, second only to Grunge which was the worst thing to happen to Metal. Don't even get me started on the evidently corporate "Punk" groups of the late 90's/early 00's.
This was the ultimate game I wanted to love but coudn't. Brutal Legend was meant to be right up my alley because I started to listen to BS and Motörhead literally year or two before. But man, the gameplay was rough. That weird mix of strategy/tower defense killed the entire game for me.
To each their own, but I didn't mind that combination. It could be annoying sometimes sure, but I never once felt like it ruined the game.
For me it was the sameness of the gameplay loop. Like, 2-3 mission-types inbetween story missions really felt like a chore.
I'm a huge strategy nerd and play all kinds of games in the genre, from 4X games to RTS and so on, but despite that the strategy part of Brutal Legend was so incredibly out of place. I like the experimentation but damn, it felt so off in a game like that.
Making this an RTS was such a waste.
As a metalhead, the new 'metal' thing that has gotten me most excited in the last few years isn't even actually metal. I'm talking about Darksynth, essentially synthwave with a healthy dose of hard rock/heavy metal sensibility. Acts like Perturbator, Carpenter Brut, Dance with the Dead, Scandroid really get my blood pumping. Good stuff.
You should check out the recent leprous album. Its less metal than their earlier stuff but its actually amazing
👏Hell👏yes.
I agree and disagree with the end section. While much of metal tends to be stale and formulaic - that's what happens in the biggest pillars of the scene, and the niches of metal right now, as decentralized as it is, is large, very alive, and very creative. People nowadays tend to get introduced to the genre via old shit thanks to streaming making what's "current" less relevant. Metal doesn't need the top 100's and it never was a genre that broke that top 100 that much. It's always thrived in its niche, but connected scenes. "Mainstream" acts right now are massive and very popular, but not chart toppers, and that's fine. If it gets people in, and similar stuff drops them into the real meat of the underground, then that's awesome. Metalheads have always been gatekeepy but I think that's just a side effect of a standard that makes so many smaller bands produce such amazing and enjoyable music to this day.
Man I love this game, play it every year or two. I never end up liking the strategy elements any more, but I don't hate them. Found it in a Game Informer magazine around the time it came out, I just remember seeing the giant wall of amps, the bleak fields, and then seeing it all in action in different trailers being totally mesmerized, I got to play it for a night at a friend's house, thought about it ever since, until quite a few years later, after I dove head first into heavy metal and all things related this became one of the first games I played on a new computer, and one of the best game I've ever played. The most metal game in existence, others come close, but this one really nails it.
As someone who wasn't into metal before this game came out (and still only casually listens to it), I absolutely love this game. It really got me into the genre and showed me how varied it could be. A few tracks were even fun, relaxing, or beautiful to listen to, and I still listen to them from time to time. I even loved the RTS part, which I felt had some of the most epic gameplay moments of the main story.
You had a good point about introducing the player to playing other factions. I think a cleaner solution could've been utilizing side quests to introduce the player to other factions. Have one side character per enemy faction who asks you to help them revolt against their leaders via RTS battles, or something of the sort. Have those questlines unlock further as you progress the main story, and you get to experience all three factions at once, with roughly the same pacing, in a way that still suits the story.
Personally, I thought the Drowning Doom were really cool and would've leaped at the chance to play as them, especially since I already liked the RTS battles. If I had experience with all three factions, I probably would've even given the online mode a chance instead of mostly ignoring it.
That said, this is probably a design decision that would've had to be made early on. But if by some impossibly chance there's a Brutal Legend 2, they could probably try a similar approach.
Only DoubleFine could make such a ridiculously awesome game.
The use of Mr Crowley in the game is perfect.
I have no idea what you're talking about with that last rant, but it was still interesting to listen to.
I get what you're saying at the end, Charlatan. However, there is some exceptional talent out there exploring what the genre can do. Up and comers to pay attention to in no real order:
Imperial Triumphant
Bolzer
Chthe'ilist
Cryptic Shift
Expander
Zeal and Ardor
Green Lung
Panegyrist
White Ward
Gorrch
real good bands there, fuckin' listen to them people
White Ward, yes! Also Portrayal of Guilt, quite heavy on the hardcore side, but boundary pushing nonetheless
now that i really think of it, the best modern metal i've heard is from fictional bands. SAMURAI from cyberpunk and STARLORD from guardians of the galaxy
I feel like genre-nazism and gatekeeping is inherent to any counter culture thing. I love metal. All kinds. Metalcore, ghost, old school stuff (metallica, pantera, megadeath, iron maiden, etc)
The scene exists. It's different though. I just had an excellent time at a concert with august burns red, fit for a king, erra, and like moths to flames. Great show!!!
And RIP warped tour. Warped tour got more people into that heavy style genre of music than anything else.
Warped Tour had some really cringey bands, but without it I don't think metalcore would be nearly as popular as it is today. Probably wouldn't have gotten the modern prog metalcore scene either. Also I saw that same tour. Not a big LMtF fan, but they all killed it and obviously ABR is god tier
Yeah. Any counter culture movement that hits mainstream will try to gate-keep people out as a means of trying to stay counter culture. Otherwise it becomes part of the culture (which is just a matter of time). Not saying that this is either good or bad.
Hehe dude this is such a fun video, on how "metal" is part of a young mans personal idenitity. I went from metal to techno, and still wore a black shirt lol. The thing is music is advancing so fast, the culture, the media, the everything, theres not gonna be "a thing" from now on , just a bunch of niches that people find their identities in and mix and match maaaaan
Exactly. It's best to not be to attached these days lol. As an aging punk I understand the trappings of the scenes and it ain't worth it
I'll have you know that some of this new wave of old school thrash metal is fucking Banging. Some of these bands like Traitor, Hazzerd etc. manage to hit the exact right classic style of thrash metal but with a much higher quality of sound and mixing than some of this really old thrash metal. It's like the best of both worlds!
Absolute chad of a game, I hope Tim Plans to make a second one
Came for a review, stayed for the discussion on the metal zeitgeist.
Dude making rly good videos
I hope u pop off soon
I'm glad I didn't experience this game on my own. When I finally picked it up in 2013 or so the multi-player has been looooong dead.
Very grateful for this game all around though. It introduced me to heavy metal.
I made sure to beat this game on Brütal difficulty again before watching.
This game was apart of my childhood and as an adult now and playing it back with a bit more adult mindset...Yup still one of my favorites even if it's super flawed. I love the mix of hack and slash and the rts. It essentially was the start of how I got into everything metal be it Black Metal, Power Metal, or even Melodic Death Metal and Prog. The lore is still hella sick.
12:46 It is said that sacrificing 99 unopened mint physical copies of Psychonauts by crushing the disks into dust, then melting the dust into a mirror set into a pentagram mold grants the devotee an audience with Dark Lord Schafer at midnight. I'd give it a try.
My favourite part of this game was all the lore being read to you. The way the narrator read everything it was so cool
My idea of a Brutal Legend 2 ironically came from a Babymetal song lol, specifically Ijime Dame Zettai: I am considering writing a fanfic on it but kinda reserved about it since my knowledge of metal is peripheral at best.
And please don't mind me being a weeb for saying that...
1. Some time in the future, Hip Hop took over as the dominant music and culture in the once land of Metal. Hip hop subgenre artists represent different factions (e.g. Eminem, 50 cent, Kanye etc) run different regions of the world, and every other living person submits to various Hiphop factions.
2. Eddie was gone in that whole Captain America situation, but he has children still stuck in the Land of Metal and they end up being the MCs for most of the game, trying to fight the Hiphop factions in a form of resistance until they can eventually they can find a way to summon Eddie.
3. Eddie's kids resemble Babymetal, and that creates a lot of problems for them at the start.
4. What is left of Metal (Ironhead) resistance is as you said, split up into small resisting factions that have resorted to infighting because of the "you're not true metal" thing. They also view Eddie's kids as definitely "not true Metal" and pariahs because they do not fall on any specific "old school" genre but rather its own "milkdrinker" mockery, and their existence is deemed an abberation. They slowly build their own faction and try and convince/conquer the other splintered Metal factions.
I think the best fix they would have had would have been separate dlc mini expansions for psuedo campaigns for the other 2 factions
The legend was truly brutal. Always nice to see this game be talked about people don’t talk about this game that much
The action/ RTS hybrid gameplay was very similar to Giants: Citizen Kabuto in my opinion. Basically it was the Heavy f@king metal version of Giants! I also loved the humor elements. One of my all-time favorite game.
I bought this game, day one, way back in the day for the PS3. While It's not my number 1 favorite game of all time, it's still high in my list of favorites, and is a game I remain fond for. It was also a game that helped me GREATLY expand my love for metal. Many of the bands, or even at least songs, I listen to today are thanks to this game.
It was such a transcendent love letter to both metalheads and gamers that it became its own artpiece, uniting the mediums in ways that haven't been done prior or since.
I need to go and play the game again. It's been too long.
I can tell you one metal band that is relatively new (founded 2006) and doing something of their own (ACapella metal): Van Canto
Need a sequel with Babymetal
I loved this growing up. It got me into metal honestly and I love it for it
I loved this game when it first came out, thought it was such a cool concept and mix up of genres. It got a bit old after a while, but still.
I think the plot idea for BL 2 you listed would be a great commentary on the issues you bring up.
Style them all off of new metal styles, add in the 'old school faith keeper' style and make it about them all unifying and strengthening everyone.
Hell I'm literally playing this right now for the first time.
I really loved all the non RTS parts of this game
You made a video of Brütal Legend without getting copyright strikes?!?!
Absolute mad lad.
They need to make Brutal Legend 2 death metal and deathcore themed. The death metal faction could be a bunch of bandage edge lord slasher types and the deathcore faction could be a bunch of drunks and stoner punks.
Hearing this game described as an isekai is like getting flashbanged and rushed with a tomahawk.
Also, tip for the screenshot art collection thing, go for the tourist-binoculars things. no brutal legend logo, no camera finagling, all the angles are just gorgeous, just look through one and screenshot at the end of the camera pan.
Bought it at Steam sale still as fun as i remember it from the ps3. The whole journey feels epic, the music is the best genre in the world and the whole thing feels retro. 9/10
I wanted more. Heck I want unique worlds for other genres of music.
I hated rts games growing up but loved action adventure games. That’s what I feel is such a surprising aspect of this game, I had no idea I was playing an rts untill it was pointed out to me by a friend during multiplayer. The story, world, history I fell in love with everything this game had to offer. I held on to hope for a brutal legend 2 to this day.
The one gripe I have with the soundtrack placement, yes, one, is the segment where they choose to shove in Through the Fire and the Flames. It is an awesome song but while it does sound like it would be perfect for escaping enemy bombardment in a collapsing stronghold it really didn't fit the action quite right.
It's a long ass song and that sequence is over way too quickly.
Yeah, I hear you on the narrow definition of metal. There's definite irony in that The Smashing Pumpkins, the band that most overtly took inspiration from Black Sabbath, and which is definitely metal if you listen to their albums, would probably be labeled as outside the metal genre by this game.
>actual critics
>fantano
Naw, you can only pick one of those.
God damn fantastic video, though. I need to give this gem another go!
Fantano is abit overrated
Ah yes, the game that got me into metal when I was 13.
The only thing Ghost has in common with ABBA is that they got one song stuck on the collective Swedish radio playlist for two years in a row. (I miss it so much.)
the art style reminds me of Ride to Hell: Retribution.
A much better game imo
Ew, you reminded me of Ride to hell: Retribution
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!😡😡😡
Ride to Hell: Retribution wishes is could be _HALF AS GOOD_ as Brütal Legend.
The only thing I took out of this video is the funny internet cat man is wrong about tabs and notations.
Unbelievable.
I had to go back in the video and made sure I’d heard him right when he said that
Glad brütal legend is getting the recognition it deserves 😩
Tim Schaeffer, if you ever watch these BL videos, please remaster this. I will give you my mortgage and my house to ever play a remaster of this game, I grew up, breathed, and loved this game through and through.
Downloaded this about 8 hours ago after seeing your video and god damn I regret not trying this game out sooner lmao
I didn't mind your short rant about metal at all, because you're right.
On the metal rant, this isn't so much of a problem in europe. there is success of metal bands in large in sweden and germany that are not hyperorthodox.
When i think about metal music only 3 things comes to mind RTS, open word and disney art style.
Oh my god yes I fucking loved this game so much. Think I've played through it a good fifty thousand times. Gutted it never got a sequel.
EASILY the best soundtrack for a game by a long shot
"Stop and shred the roses" 🤘 good one charl
I really liked the game, including RTS mode, but I must admit, that pasing after the middle of the game and introduction of black tears gang - became strange. There actual crysis began. The last mission comes as a surprise to be honest. You think that now you finished with black tears and now going into finalee to fight daemons - and it suddenly ends.
There's some really good Doom coming from South America these days and the live scene feels like its still cool
Can you reccomend some bands? Most of the Doom bands I know went to shit ( E Wiz, Sleep, etc)
@@cosmicpanda7043 oh yeah man, Mephistofeles from Argentina are probably the best Wizard worshippers today. Dumbledore's first album was great from Brazil. From Eastern Europe there's always Dopelord, and Beastwars from NZ
Any screenshot from Brutal Legend could be a Metal album cover.
I freaking loved the RTS aspect. I think I may be one of the few
I do to
Still one of my favorite games of all time even with all its flaws, hell it gives the game more personality hehehe
That Screaming Wall of Death is such an amazing place.
"Zap! You're deaf!"
This popped up in my recommended... Now I'm replaying the game again.
"Because sappy love ballads SELL RECORDS!"
Indeed.
Totally agree on some other comments here, metal is not dead or dying, it is at least live and well in europe, particulary in northern europe. Of the top of my head some bands would be Sabaton, Nightwish and Battle Beast.
I like your idea for a sequel with the different factions of metal
Brütal Legend was the video game version of Dethklok... If a 2 were ever to happen (sometime after Half-life 3 and Beyond Good and Evil 2), I feel like there would have to be some sort of crossover especially seeing as how Cartoon Network killed it before the Brendon could really finish the Metalocaltpse storyline... Feels like the right level of reverence, satire, and epic scale
I'll admit that your criticisms of Eternal were kind of bad but I'm not gonna beg for another vid on it. I'm glad that you covered Brutal Legend and I love the indieween and I love the Bioshock vids. Keep up the good work and don't let the others in the Doom fanbase deter you from speaking your mind.
I am personally a big fan of the RTS battles, and did play a fair ammount of it online. It's problems come down to quite a few things. Most people were caught unaware that the game was gonna feature them, so what seemed like an open world hack-n-slash adventure, was a "open world battlefield commander" type game, somewhat in the vein of "overlord". Simply put, i think it was the wrong game for a lot of the players, despite it being fairly good.
When i say fairly good, i'm docking points for how tutorializing almost all the battles are. All of the story battles until the last few, aren't about the fundamentals of the RTS game, but about using and understanding the new unit. If there ever so often was a battle where you didn't have a new unit, but you needed to outplay the AI a bit more, the war might feel a little bit more consequential.
In the multiplayer, the tainted coil made for very un-fun games, because their lategame units were riddiculously effective, but their early game units were fairly easily dispatched. Drowning doom weren't that fun to play as, because it was always the opponent responding to you, so you didn't have to make that many decisions. Ironheade is well rounded, but their units feel a bit basic. For the SC2 players out there, Ironheade feels like you're playing with only Wings of Liberty units.
I was also that kid at 49:40. Same hair and leather jacket lol ! Those were the days tho.......
Thanks youtube for fucking up everything making me miss uploads
this game needs to come back
Now the metal rant you had there is interesting. And the things you were talking about go in an interesting direction, at least at Russian scene. A lot of people who were initially into metal start performing in different genres and for the most part it's some form of experimental rap. It can be anything from some form of Russian Molotov (Anacondaz) and something on the verge of both genres (Loqimean, Noize MC) and end up with something absolutely brutal like an acid trip of a genre that is Nuclear Rap (2rbina 2rista, Ram) and they still bring that spirit, that attitude with them. Also, Japanese bands are doing pretty good and while they sound metal, they still find a way to do something wack which makes me to believe that after the Death of the old, something new will eventually rise.
I'm the opposite of you, I love the RTS bits and dread the action parts, because of how barebones it is by necessity. But I still love the game. Not a metal fan myself, but I can appreciate the culture represented, and adore the visuals of the game, and as you say it's just a fun and funny game to boot so there's still something for anyone to enjoy
I think it was Razbuten who summed it up perfectly in a video about UI(?) saying something along the lines of “I want to love it, but only like it.” It’s okay, but it seems torn between a bunch of different gameplay systems and genres to where none of them get the space or focus they need for a _great_ experience. This game deserved to be better than it was.
Replaying it for the first time since I was kid at the moment, I honestly think it’s one of the smoothest Ps3 games out there especially considering it’s Age. The Cast was unreal 😍
Look. I heard jack black in a videogame and i bought it
if it wasnt an rts this game would be absolute perfection for a game inspired by heavy metal.
Great game, and great voice acting! \m/
This game may have been a weird ass rts, but I still adored it. I love this game!
What a handsome beast of a kitty.
I appreciate your breakdown of this game. So many good memories here, I may just have to replay it.
Solid video overall until the end. I dunno, count me as one of the guys who doesn't think metal needs chart topping albums (there's a pretty vibrant scene in 2021 imo) but the failure of metal to break top 100 doesn't sound like the fault of a bunch of purists complaining on social media. Metal, even at the height of its popularity, has always been kinda niche.
It was pretty mainstream in the 80s and 90s. IMHO I prefer it not being at the top of the charts because instead of making crap that appeals to the masses you can actually make good music
@@shredgordon3240 this applies to almost every genre of music, most of its crap when it’s popular
@@shredgordon3240 Right, basically what I'd say was the height of metal's popularity. To illustrate my point, look at the top 50 highest selling artists of all-time. You'll see bands that get either labelled as metal or were influential on it's early development, sure. but not nearly as many who could be called country, hip hop, pop, or rock. Metal bands with broad mainstream appeal are few and far between or exist in an era when, for bizarre historical and cultural reasons, there's a large enough market of people for that sort of thing ala nu-metal in the 90's.
@@lyreface8394 the problem with his complaint is that there's no way for moderns metal to break into the charts without being poppy autotune garbage. Architects and BMTH tried to follow that path and it killed their sound completely
Well when I buy it on steam, I might work on a free camera mod so we could potentially have a camera mode.