FYI for those wondering, we pre-recorded this episode because Adam is on a much-deserved vacation this week 🏝 Hope you enjoy! Hugo is a massive wealth of knowledge. Regularly scheduled news programming will be back next week 🫡
I like that Hugo referenced previous waveform episodes. Not sure if he’s a regular viewer or just good at doing interview prep, but either way it made for a really good conversation. Normally I’m not a big fan of guests on the podcast, but he really rocked it
This is a terrible comparison. First of all a large portion of people still use wired earbuds. And good enough bluetooth earbuds can be had for under $50 and have daily use case for most people. The Vision Pro costs $5000 and has limited use cases. PC based VR isn't that much better in terms of costs when you factor in the price of a well spec'd PC. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see mass adoption of either within the next five years.
Just saying, I’ve yet to see a single reviewer, run the battery wire under their shirt. It’s like every single human forgot about this very simple and effective trick we had. Very weird.
What an amazing episode! Hugo's perspective on many things has been great to listen to, and maan, his reactions were often so pure! When Adam played the air horn sound effect, when the guys were talking about David playing Dota for a hot second or when Marques noticed the "very unclear" pun... You can see how passionate for the whole subject Hugo is and it's great. Thanks to the whole WVFRM team for this!
The entire WVFRM team builds the most incredible atmosphere in the studio. It's a truly magical thing and I'm just so lucky to have experienced it. Missed Andrew though!
I’ve watched the last two f1 grand prixes in AVP on the Vroom app. It’s not years away, it works perfectly now with as many streams as I want, completely live. Main feed, data screens, a couple driver feeds with their radio feeds, the 3D track illustration. It’s so good.
I think David has a good point about Full Immersion VR re: courtside experiences. The novelty will be good at first, but the reality is that the curated viewing you get currently, gives you a much better idea of whats going on in the game, and people will prefer the classic experience long term.
I feel like they know nothing about VR... Meta already has VR sunglasses prototypes lighter and flatter than Big Screen Beyond from 3 years ago or something
Yeah.. such an efficient way to display what he was saying while he was saying. Hats off to editing team for taking an effort (which might not be noticed by many)
Sadly, the way his Mercedes has been performing so far this year, and for the past 2/3 years, it really wouldn't matter whose helmet you were experiencing it from! 😞 Oh, I haven't heard the qualifying results yet from China, waiting for the highlights on TV! PLEASE don't spoil it!! 😁 F1 would be amazing in VR though, with the car and driver view; driving an open wheel race car is amazing and exhilarating anyway (had the chance 25 years ago and loved it! 😻 ), but to experience it again through good VR would be a great option, but without the fear of getting hurt!! 😜
@@stevesstuff1450 I relate.. at the end of the day, it depends whose experience you'd like to experience.. recently watched Charles's helmet camera footage with open mic. his breathing experience especially at corner entry and exit was wild.. this merc/lewis debate poses if its the car/driver..
took me a while to realize hugo is brazilian, his english is impeccable but his name is very local so i google it and confirmed haha, good to know we have a fellow brazilian mind leading in the tech space
If i'm not wrong, he was one of the leaders on Google developing Android and later went to Xiaomi too! PTBR: Se não me engano, ele era um dos líderes do desenvolvimento do Android no Google e depois trabalhou na Xiaomi também!
I think the point about live sport being one of the first things to really get impacted by these headsets is true, but one thing they didn’t seem to discuss is solving how you can share this experience with others. Because I think that will be the biggest drawback of it, and initially I think it will be amazing but also something you can only really experience alone.
Yeah, I got that to. I really can't imagine a world where people either a) only sit alone at home and watch a game or race through a headset b) sit "together" on a coach at a friends house, all with their own headsets - and the token guy or girl who forgot his or c) sit in a stadium or in the seats at a racetrack, surrounded by others wearing a headset.... Not a single one of those scenarios looks like an ideal situation or a bright future to me, let alone something I can see people going for as a large majority. I missed that part in this - very interesting - discussion, I think it's one of the biggest hurdles to jump. And some way I hope they don't, because this quickly shifts into a very dark place. But hey, maybe you'll have the VR seats, next to the VIP seats and 80% of the other people will still just enjoy the event together, with their own eyes.
Xiaomi user here. Nice seeing Hugo again. Wish he would have stayed in the company longer but based on his resume, he seems to have the need to move on at the 4 year mark every time :D
I'm confused. Quest ALREADY does live sports. It already does courtside nba games. And when they release a higher end headset they will already have Apple beat with courtside sports
He was such a cool guy :) I like how clear it was that he was a huge fan of you guys. Kept referencing past videos and podcasts, like he personally knew you all. Lol
I appreciate that these videos will serve as a historical point of reference for technology and what we expected at this point in time. I now realize that regardless of what amazing tech is created we’ll continue to want faster, lighter, more durable, cheaper, tech. How about lets just smell the flowers while they’re in bloom 🌺
@@paschalasobirionwu1183 Yes. it's awesome. the best way to watch the NBA without actually being there. in fact, in some cases it's better than being there. I would rather sit courtside in VR than in the nosebleeds in real life. unfortunately they are not doing it the playoffs or the finals but should be back next season. just Google NBA games in VR schedule and you'll see a ton of games you could have watched courtside in VR. It's free on the Xtadium app on Quest.
@@paschalasobirionwu1183 Yes. It's great. On the Xtadium app on Quest. They were live streamed in VR for free. You sit court side. Just google NBA in VR Schedule and you can see a ton of NBA games you could have watched for free court side in VR. They will be back next season
Feels like the step from Hololens to Vision Pro is the same as from normal AirPods to AirPods Pro. Transparency will get better over time, so we will get the better product in the end. I don't see that we will get AR Headsets, that transform into good VR Headsets, but we already have good VR Headsets that can turn into good AR Headsets.
LG have been demonstrating transparent OLED TV displays for a couple of years years now, so I'm sure in a year or two, well have mini transparent displays for VR headsets becoming available too.... 😉
@@eon5323 I just thought Google Glass was the most recognizable AR Glasses, maybe Hololens would have been better. The point I was trying to make, was that I don't think that AR and VR Headsets will get better until they meet in the middle, I think seeing what can be done with pass through in the Vision Pro, something like the Hololens well get obsolete in a few years and replaced with an VR Headset, because with a VR Headset you can now switch from full VR to "full AR" and it will get better until we get to a level of the Big Screen Beyond in times of size and weight. Sorry, maybe I poorly writing ^^ I dont See it coming that we will have AR Headsets that can Be good VR Headsets. Bu t we already have VR headsets that are good at AR.
You have forgotten something in this video that the product has only been released in the USA. Additionally to say that no one is talking about the product that only exists in one market they just rolled out Spatial Personas and Spatial Sharing and this was big news!
The frustrating thing about this comparison is that there is very little overlap between the devices, except that you put both on your face. Most of it is software, so it's stuff that meta could have done this whole time, but they went with this stupid room for everything, rather than spawning a window, checking your mail, then dismissing it. So you go to the menu room, go to the MS Office room, then go to the menu room, then go to the netflix room, etc. Multitasking might be too much for the meta processors, or there could be some other technical limitation, but this is just not intuitive/easy. Apple's implementation just make sense. I use the thing all the time. Did my taxes on it this year while listening to music. My quest pro just sits. Meta's passthrough always looks like UFO footage, as well. It's telling that when you record video of what you're seeing, it replaces the actual passthrough with footage from the external camera directly, which looks cleaner.
That was a good episode, but I cannot be as excited as you. I like tech, like you, but there are cool things that I can integrate in my life and cool things that are just demos. For example, I love Formula 1 and can imagine an immersive experience being in the paddock or the grandstands. I can imagine a big screen and a virtual map on my coffee table showing the live positions of the cars. Nice! But I can’t imagine doing this with my wife besides me, as we normally do. I can’t imagine watching the race without seeing her face, her expressions, talking to each other while looking in the eyes. I can’t imagine the experience without drinking and eating something. Soon I’ll have a baby to take care, how to do that with a massive VR ? I can’t imagine how I would enjoy an immersive experience without all these other things. I also don’t see it as a replacement for going to the event, or even bringing the event experience home, missing seeing the people around, feeling the excitement in everyone’s faces, getting to hang out in the nearby bar or restaurant, with maybe some charm of a different culture. I can’t imagine the engine sound being as loud, as raw and as impactful without me worrying that the volume is too high and I should lower it. The sport video stream is so much less than the live event, and being at home is also so much more fun than experiencing it alone in my virtual world. Question, do you really prefer to watch a basketball match by yourself in Vision Pro or to see it in a big quality TV, maybe an iPad with some stats in the coffee table, a handful of friends with you, your favourite drink and snack? If the idea is to bring the live event home, forget it, it’s never going to be as good as being there just because all of these other things.
I was lucky enough to get to sit court-side at a NBA game many years ago and it is a horrible place to actually watch a game from ... BUT the experience was amazing. Its more about the everything that your body notices that is not visual and audible. The presence of being so close to the players, cheer leaders, feeling of how you could just reach out and touch a player, etc I think would be very hard to truly reproduce. I think from visual and audio you could get 80%-90% of the experience to be worth it, but hard to image it being the same. Like when you see a solar eclipse in person, climb a mountain for sunrise, etc. There is something about being there that makes it hard to imagine reproducing digitally (currently at least).
Loved the Q&A however there is one outstanding question I have that never seems to get asked. When do you see a time when one of the VR / AR companies makes a headset to replace their office? Working from home is a great concept and it allows all those buildings to be used for other things other than work spaces, it reduces the energy conception, elevates traffic... but it disincentivizes collaboration, you don't know your team... I hoped to see Apple Vision address this and essentially when you put on your headset you're in your space in the office. You see everyone and everyone sees you. You can hold meetings or walk over to someone and ask them a question. It blends the work from home and the work in office. Apple Vision brought a lot of future concepts to the table but did so with a half baked design. No one wants to wear the Vision Pro for 8-10 hours a day, they'd love the addition of gestures but they want to keep their keyboard and mouse for productivity. If not Apple who do you see going in that direction of making their AR / VR headset a place for employees to sit at in their home office and have it feel like the company workspace?
Great podcast - but I absolutely *loved* the IMAX 3D HFR version of Avatar 2. Really really wish there was a way to rewatch it that wasn't limited to the Vision Pro.
Wait! Recognize him! I used to work at Walt Disney World in Florida. There was an experimental VR Aladdin’s Magic Carpet ride in a backroom at an EPCOT pavilion. I went to the presentation several times hoping to get to ride but never did… but I remember him. He was there!
I think they will have 2 versions. 1 u get all the cameras in front of you like a multi screen(any format ball, wall. Whatever). 2 they get a full court (might not be live right away) using multiple cameras to generate 2k u can freecam in VR (any seat u want, any player u want, first person, 3rd person, sky box freecam)
Ready Player One is awesome both the film and the book. I am looking forward to when the tech like you send reach a point like smart glasses getting closer to VR/AR headsets or the opposite. I want Sword Art Online, SAO: Ordinal Scale type of tech. I think the Tilt5 glasses are great or maybe Microsoft Hololenses. The Valve Steam Index headset was great especially with the grip controllers to grab things. I started my VR experience in the early nineties at the county fair with this huge heavy headset with a heavy long wire and wire controller handset inside a large plastic ring and a low polygon game. The Apple Vision Pro and the whole industry will need to focus on sports, music, and games to move forward and grow.
Hugo barra single handedly made xiaomi the top mobile company of india..the way he launched mobiles and mantained community is excellent..a big fan of him.. bought xiaomi redmi note3 based on his words
Personally I couldn’t disagree more with saying storytelling isn’t going to work for VR and spatial computing on Vision Apple, we at RiVR have used it for awareness education in stereo 180. From Knife crime awareness to showing the impact Anti social behaviour. If that can work, so can storytelling in entertainment. Sports will be a killer feature, but I feel like with top tear IP, immersive video can take you behind the scenes, like extras back in the DVD days.
I don't know how much Microsoft has worked on Hololens for the past couple of years but I do find it odd that it's not even mentioned when talking about the "new paradigm" that Apple has created.
That last option of additional rental units on the side of the main house home is very common in subsaharan Africa. But everyone who uses those rentals doesn’t wanna use them, they just can’t afford bigger spaces. These small spaces come with many problems… from sickness due to confined spaces to poor sanitation and management of utilities. They don’t solve problems, they just help manage a situation for a short time.
I totally agree with him about putting basically all the components that you can into an external enclosure that is tethered to the headset itself. I thought apple would maybe try that with their first headset but it was an interesting take to hear why he thinks they only put the battery external for the first version.
There is a 5 year old video by the German TH-camr AlexiBexi, which beautifully coveres this topic from its times viewpoint. It even features an interview with Tim Cook about the future of AR. I strongly recommend you to put on the auto subtitles and enjoy this beautiful video. In my opinion it adds a nice perspective on the topic to the view.
I think the dude is spot on about sports. If I got to see the Seahawks from a center seat in the stadium that is normally gonna be in the $2-3K anyway, I might as well get a headset!
Marques's microphone went from black to red back to black back to red back to black. Also, I much prefer the red microphone. Marques bring it back, please! 😂
18:00 iirc apple's pancake optical stack places the virtual image (magnified display) slightly out of focus. this is what creates the very slight blur (reducing the sde). on the other hand, meta's quest pro/3 optical stack are made to be as clear as possible. this makes it so you can see (very fine) SDE on the quest devices... but this also makes the quest clearer in certain scenarios even when compared to the vision pro's superior on-paper resolution (~34ppd vs ~25 on the quest 3). this is what KGontech talked about
Yea that'll work a lot better. Cannot say it isn't for most of the 3d games out there too. AR/VR is more than a gimmick, it improved upon anything procedimg it a d beyond
My family and I did the SF green room where you sit in a green room on a block and act like your flying on a carpet its pretty cool. Was around like 2006.
The real challenge with live sports is going to be getting broadcast rights, but man, if they could nail that it would be a huge win even without the VR aspect. Right now, if you want to get All The Games for your fave team in big sports, you've gotta subscribe to several different, expensive services, to a point that VP's price tag isn't even that wild even if that's the only thing you're getting it for.
The movie is good. But Ready Player One, the book, is so much better. (There's a dude who produced a whole audio book version on TH-cam with sound effects and all).
@mightywurm I just saw that too, didn't know at the time of commenting. Also I'm sure Hugo Barra is a well of tech knowledge, but I just don't know why we're going back to talking about Apple Vision Pro with every possible occasion. Unfortunately this week might be a skip for me
32 minute mark ... i think in the 90s the "tether" was called a PAN (Personal Area Network) and most attempts involved a Chewbacca-like belt with batteries and modules (they were the computers) ... more about Wearables back then, but same idea
Great interview. I disagree with the current statements from tech TH-camrs claiming the Vision Pro is “magic” to people who haven’t tried other VR headsets. I’ve watched a ton of AVP coverage and it becomes clear it’s the people who are experts or avid XR enthusiasts who are absolutely blown away by the AVP. It’s the gamers who rightfully don’t appreciate it. I’ve tried both the Quest and the AVP and the only way the “Quest is just as good” con works is if you’ve never tried the Quest.
FYI for those wondering, we pre-recorded this episode because Adam is on a much-deserved vacation this week 🏝 Hope you enjoy! Hugo is a massive wealth of knowledge. Regularly scheduled news programming will be back next week 🫡
Fully expecting a 2 hour episode 👀
Adam went back to find the family archives lol..
Fantastic guest. Would love to see and hear from more! 😄
I love the WD Black hoodie. Tell WD to bring it to their site.
Portland, JAMAICA in the Building!!! 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
I like that Hugo referenced previous waveform episodes. Not sure if he’s a regular viewer or just good at doing interview prep, but either way it made for a really good conversation. Normally I’m not a big fan of guests on the podcast, but he really rocked it
I really am a total diehard fan of the pod
@@hbarraNice!!!
@@hbarraI feel like we should have a chat, seems we have a lot we could discuss Hugo. Tyronne from RiVR in the UK
Shout out to the editor who made distortion when Hugo was explaining it at 18:24
Who else checked their resolution/quality setting?
Such a nice touch
Went into the comments specifically to shout this out. Great touch!
@@cy43211 I thought it was my internet connection! Hahahaha!
bold, sexy
We all had headphone wires, running under our shirts, like 5 years ago. All of the sudden we have no idea how to handle a wire
I still use wires. 😂😂😂
That because of people got used to wireless headphones or earbuds. So people have to get used to wires again.
This is a terrible comparison. First of all a large portion of people still use wired earbuds. And good enough bluetooth earbuds can be had for under $50 and have daily use case for most people. The Vision Pro costs $5000 and has limited use cases. PC based VR isn't that much better in terms of costs when you factor in the price of a well spec'd PC. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see mass adoption of either within the next five years.
I just looked it up. It's been almost a decade. that's wild.
Just saying, I’ve yet to see a single reviewer, run the battery wire under their shirt. It’s like every single human forgot about this very simple and effective trick we had. Very weird.
This episode made me realize that while I like guests as bonus episodes, I love the pure crazy madness of the original crew.
L comment
Really dude?
Silly take
What an amazing episode! Hugo's perspective on many things has been great to listen to, and maan, his reactions were often so pure! When Adam played the air horn sound effect, when the guys were talking about David playing Dota for a hot second or when Marques noticed the "very unclear" pun... You can see how passionate for the whole subject Hugo is and it's great. Thanks to the whole WVFRM team for this!
The entire WVFRM team builds the most incredible atmosphere in the studio. It's a truly magical thing and I'm just so lucky to have experienced it. Missed Andrew though!
I’ve watched the last two f1 grand prixes in AVP on the Vroom app. It’s not years away, it works perfectly now with as many streams as I want, completely live. Main feed, data screens, a couple driver feeds with their radio feeds, the 3D track illustration. It’s so good.
30:32 Marques: nice 👁️👀👁️
Man of Culture.
Nice
he never misses a nice
I was just about to comment this too lol
Apple pulled a marketing rabbit out of their hole. 49:25
Andrew isn't here coz he's busy listening to Taylor Swift's new album me thinks
And so on
I think David has a good point about Full Immersion VR re: courtside experiences. The novelty will be good at first, but the reality is that the curated viewing you get currently, gives you a much better idea of whats going on in the game, and people will prefer the classic experience long term.
Love the more in depth talk about the VR industry as whole. Super interesting interview!
I feel like they know nothing about VR... Meta already has VR sunglasses prototypes lighter and flatter than Big Screen Beyond from 3 years ago or something
18:27 nice editing touch!!!!
Yeah.. such an efficient way to display what he was saying while he was saying. Hats off to editing team for taking an effort (which might not be noticed by many)
Yes, visual artifacts. Was thinking whether it’s just my eyes, or it’s intentional from the editor!
@@jayshah4690 I don't see it. What did he do that was so special. Was it before the Shopify promo?
I almost thought today wasn't Friday
Same
Yeah same 😂
Me here😂
43:53 the F1 experience would be wild..imagine having an experience from Lewis's helmet camera
Sadly, the way his Mercedes has been performing so far this year, and for the past 2/3 years, it really wouldn't matter whose helmet you were experiencing it from! 😞
Oh, I haven't heard the qualifying results yet from China, waiting for the highlights on TV! PLEASE don't spoil it!! 😁
F1 would be amazing in VR though, with the car and driver view; driving an open wheel race car is amazing and exhilarating anyway (had the chance 25 years ago and loved it! 😻 ), but to experience it again through good VR would be a great option, but without the fear of getting hurt!! 😜
Red Bull new drone 🔥🔥
@@stevesstuff1450 I relate.. at the end of the day, it depends whose experience you'd like to experience.. recently watched Charles's helmet camera footage with open mic. his breathing experience especially at corner entry and exit was wild.. this merc/lewis debate poses if its the car/driver..
@@adnanbhamra3444 damn right... imagine the vision pro mimicking g-forces while you're live watching the drone feed..🔥🔥🔥🔥
This was such an incredibly interesting interview! Was glued to it the whole time.
Hugo is Brazilian, and man, his English is great! As a Brazilian, I hope I get to that level of fluency.
His Spanish is flawless as well
Hugo's perspective was awesome to hear
I love this guy. Ben following him since I/O 2011. Never seen anyone like him
YES!!!! Friggin love that y’all talked about DQ (Disney Quest) that was my first ever experience of VR was DQ
took me a while to realize hugo is brazilian, his english is impeccable but his name is very local so i google it and confirmed haha, good to know we have a fellow brazilian mind leading in the tech space
If i'm not wrong, he was one of the leaders on Google developing Android and later went to Xiaomi too!
PTBR: Se não me engano, ele era um dos líderes do desenvolvimento do Android no Google e depois trabalhou na Xiaomi também!
I think the point about live sport being one of the first things to really get impacted by these headsets is true, but one thing they didn’t seem to discuss is solving how you can share this experience with others. Because I think that will be the biggest drawback of it, and initially I think it will be amazing but also something you can only really experience alone.
Yeah, I got that to. I really can't imagine a world where people either a) only sit alone at home and watch a game or race through a headset b) sit "together" on a coach at a friends house, all with their own headsets - and the token guy or girl who forgot his or c) sit in a stadium or in the seats at a racetrack, surrounded by others wearing a headset.... Not a single one of those scenarios looks like an ideal situation or a bright future to me, let alone something I can see people going for as a large majority. I missed that part in this - very interesting - discussion, I think it's one of the biggest hurdles to jump. And some way I hope they don't, because this quickly shifts into a very dark place. But hey, maybe you'll have the VR seats, next to the VIP seats and 80% of the other people will still just enjoy the event together, with their own eyes.
Xiaomi user here. Nice seeing Hugo again. Wish he would have stayed in the company longer but based on his resume, he seems to have the need to move on at the 4 year mark every time :D
Love the way Marques interviews because he’s been interviewed by so many people.
I'm confused. Quest ALREADY does live sports. It already does courtside nba games. And when they release a higher end headset they will already have Apple beat with courtside sports
I really liked this episode. Especially how competitive Hugo was with the typing at the end.
He was such a cool guy :) I like how clear it was that he was a huge fan of you guys. Kept referencing past videos and podcasts, like he personally knew you all. Lol
So awesome to see this!! Hugo is so articulate and it was such great conversation to listen to! (:
Hugo is a super guest. Would love to hear more from him as vr develops
take a shot every time David says "paradigm"
It is a paradigm. :D
I was looking for this comment 😂
I specifically came to the youtube comments of this episode for this, thank you xD
I haven't clicked anything this fast in a long time. Hugo Barra is a fucking legend!
Marques’s “nice” made my day 😂
Will watch this one after I read the blog, so hugely appreciated this one!
I appreciate that these videos will serve as a historical point of reference for technology and what we expected at this point in time. I now realize that regardless of what amazing tech is created we’ll continue to want faster, lighter, more durable, cheaper, tech. How about lets just smell the flowers while they’re in bloom 🌺
*LOVE* the interview formats. 👏
42:40 I've been watching NBA games all this season in vr court side for free on Quest 2. It already exists.
lol fr? is it any good?
@@paschalasobirionwu1183 Yes. it's awesome. the best way to watch the NBA without actually being there. in fact, in some cases it's better than being there. I would rather sit courtside in VR than in the nosebleeds in real life. unfortunately they are not doing it the playoffs or the finals but should be back next season. just Google NBA games in VR schedule and you'll see a ton of games you could have watched courtside in VR. It's free on the Xtadium app on Quest.
@@paschalasobirionwu1183 Yes. It's great. On the Xtadium app on Quest. They were live streamed in VR for free. You sit court side. Just google NBA in VR Schedule and you can see a ton of NBA games you could have watched for free court side in VR. They will be back next season
@shall_we_kindly because apple bro.
Live?
Great, great guest! Hugo was super fun to listen to :)
One of the best discussions I have seen on this topic
8:11 oooh, “gaze & pinch” I totally misheard the first time
Glaze and pinch
Apple invented the gays, you heard it here first.
Feels like the step from Hololens to Vision Pro is the same as from normal AirPods to AirPods Pro.
Transparency will get better over time, so we will get the better product in the end.
I don't see that we will get AR Headsets, that transform into good VR Headsets, but we already have good VR Headsets that can turn into good AR Headsets.
LG have been demonstrating transparent OLED TV displays for a couple of years years now, so I'm sure in a year or two, well have mini transparent displays for VR headsets becoming available too.... 😉
The fact you compared Google glass to a VR headset... you have no idea what you're talking about.
It's more like going from radio to cellphones.
@@eon5323 I just thought Google Glass was the most recognizable AR Glasses, maybe Hololens would have been better. The point I was trying to make, was that I don't think that AR and VR Headsets will get better until they meet in the middle, I think seeing what can be done with pass through in the Vision Pro, something like the Hololens well get obsolete in a few years and replaced with an VR Headset, because with a VR Headset you can now switch from full VR to "full AR" and it will get better until we get to a level of the Big Screen Beyond in times of size and weight. Sorry, maybe I poorly writing ^^ I dont See it coming that we will have AR Headsets that can Be good VR Headsets. Bu t we already have VR headsets that are good at AR.
The only way VR headset survives is when people stop getting headaches and eye fatigue from wearing it. It’s more common than people realise.
You have forgotten something in this video that the product has only been released in the USA. Additionally to say that no one is talking about the product that only exists in one market they just rolled out Spatial Personas and Spatial Sharing and this was big news!
The frustrating thing about this comparison is that there is very little overlap between the devices, except that you put both on your face. Most of it is software, so it's stuff that meta could have done this whole time, but they went with this stupid room for everything, rather than spawning a window, checking your mail, then dismissing it. So you go to the menu room, go to the MS Office room, then go to the menu room, then go to the netflix room, etc. Multitasking might be too much for the meta processors, or there could be some other technical limitation, but this is just not intuitive/easy. Apple's implementation just make sense. I use the thing all the time. Did my taxes on it this year while listening to music. My quest pro just sits. Meta's passthrough always looks like UFO footage, as well. It's telling that when you record video of what you're seeing, it replaces the actual passthrough with footage from the external camera directly, which looks cleaner.
That was a good episode, but I cannot be as excited as you. I like tech, like you, but there are cool things that I can integrate in my life and cool things that are just demos. For example, I love Formula 1 and can imagine an immersive experience being in the paddock or the grandstands. I can imagine a big screen and a virtual map on my coffee table showing the live positions of the cars. Nice! But I can’t imagine doing this with my wife besides me, as we normally do. I can’t imagine watching the race without seeing her face, her expressions, talking to each other while looking in the eyes. I can’t imagine the experience without drinking and eating something. Soon I’ll have a baby to take care, how to do that with a massive VR ? I can’t imagine how I would enjoy an immersive experience without all these other things. I also don’t see it as a replacement for going to the event, or even bringing the event experience home, missing seeing the people around, feeling the excitement in everyone’s faces, getting to hang out in the nearby bar or restaurant, with maybe some charm of a different culture. I can’t imagine the engine sound being as loud, as raw and as impactful without me worrying that the volume is too high and I should lower it. The sport video stream is so much less than the live event, and being at home is also so much more fun than experiencing it alone in my virtual world. Question, do you really prefer to watch a basketball match by yourself in Vision Pro or to see it in a big quality TV, maybe an iPad with some stats in the coffee table, a handful of friends with you, your favourite drink and snack? If the idea is to bring the live event home, forget it, it’s never going to be as good as being there just because all of these other things.
thank you for that live sports hot take. I‘m waiting for it for years now!!!
I was lucky enough to get to sit court-side at a NBA game many years ago and it is a horrible place to actually watch a game from ... BUT the experience was amazing. Its more about the everything that your body notices that is not visual and audible. The presence of being so close to the players, cheer leaders, feeling of how you could just reach out and touch a player, etc I think would be very hard to truly reproduce. I think from visual and audio you could get 80%-90% of the experience to be worth it, but hard to image it being the same. Like when you see a solar eclipse in person, climb a mountain for sunrise, etc. There is something about being there that makes it hard to imagine reproducing digitally (currently at least).
Was the intro music a different part of the song than the usual?
It's nice to have an expert opinion on these things. And I appreciate his hot takes and agree with some of them
Phenomenal episode. Really enjoyed his perspective.
Loved the Q&A however there is one outstanding question I have that never seems to get asked. When do you see a time when one of the VR / AR companies makes a headset to replace their office? Working from home is a great concept and it allows all those buildings to be used for other things other than work spaces, it reduces the energy conception, elevates traffic... but it disincentivizes collaboration, you don't know your team... I hoped to see Apple Vision address this and essentially when you put on your headset you're in your space in the office. You see everyone and everyone sees you. You can hold meetings or walk over to someone and ask them a question. It blends the work from home and the work in office. Apple Vision brought a lot of future concepts to the table but did so with a half baked design. No one wants to wear the Vision Pro for 8-10 hours a day, they'd love the addition of gestures but they want to keep their keyboard and mouse for productivity. If not Apple who do you see going in that direction of making their AR / VR headset a place for employees to sit at in their home office and have it feel like the company workspace?
shoutout to hugo barra-you’re very knowledgable.
NBA has been broadcasting live VR games all season. Center court and courtside. It is awesome.
Did David just learn the word Paradigm before this epsiode? 😂
It's good to know that others are also thinking about live sports, for I've been pondering the same forever.
Great podcast - but I absolutely *loved* the IMAX 3D HFR version of Avatar 2. Really really wish there was a way to rewatch it that wasn't limited to the Vision Pro.
The virtual boy getting absolutely snubbed as one of the first VR experiences when Barra mentioned the Alladin ride
Wait! Recognize him! I used to work at Walt Disney World in Florida. There was an experimental VR Aladdin’s Magic Carpet ride in a backroom at an EPCOT pavilion. I went to the presentation several times hoping to get to ride but never did… but I remember him. He was there!
Who edited the podcast and added those pixel effects at 18:20? Good job
I think they will have 2 versions. 1 u get all the cameras in front of you like a multi screen(any format ball, wall. Whatever). 2 they get a full court (might not be live right away) using multiple cameras to generate 2k u can freecam in VR (any seat u want, any player u want, first person, 3rd person, sky box freecam)
Ready Player One is awesome both the film and the book. I am looking forward to when the tech like you send reach a point like smart glasses getting closer to VR/AR headsets or the opposite. I want Sword Art Online, SAO: Ordinal Scale type of tech. I think the Tilt5 glasses are great or maybe Microsoft Hololenses. The Valve Steam Index headset was great especially with the grip controllers to grab things. I started my VR experience in the early nineties at the county fair with this huge heavy headset with a heavy long wire and wire controller handset inside a large plastic ring and a low polygon game. The Apple Vision Pro and the whole industry will need to focus on sports, music, and games to move forward and grow.
It’s that time of the week again guys! Start of the weekend in the UK. Always a good start is of course Waveform. 😊
Hugo barra single handedly made xiaomi the top mobile company of india..the way he launched mobiles and mantained community is excellent..a big fan of him.. bought xiaomi redmi note3 based on his words
Personally I couldn’t disagree more with saying storytelling isn’t going to work for VR and spatial computing on Vision Apple, we at RiVR have used it for awareness education in stereo 180. From Knife crime awareness to showing the impact Anti social behaviour.
If that can work, so can storytelling in entertainment. Sports will be a killer feature, but I feel like with top tear IP, immersive video can take you behind the scenes, like extras back in the DVD days.
I don't know how much Microsoft has worked on Hololens for the past couple of years but I do find it odd that it's not even mentioned when talking about the "new paradigm" that Apple has created.
That last option of additional rental units on the side of the main house home is very common in subsaharan Africa.
But everyone who uses those rentals doesn’t wanna use them, they just can’t afford bigger spaces. These small spaces come with many problems… from sickness due to confined spaces to poor sanitation and management of utilities. They don’t solve problems, they just help manage a situation for a short time.
I totally agree with him about putting basically all the components that you can into an external enclosure that is tethered to the headset itself. I thought apple would maybe try that with their first headset but it was an interesting take to hear why he thinks they only put the battery external for the first version.
Portland, JAMAICA in the Building!!! 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
There is a 5 year old video by the German TH-camr AlexiBexi, which beautifully coveres this topic from its times viewpoint. It even features an interview with Tim Cook about the future of AR. I strongly recommend you to put on the auto subtitles and enjoy this beautiful video. In my opinion it adds a nice perspective on the topic to the view.
I think the dude is spot on about sports. If I got to see the Seahawks from a center seat in the stadium that is normally gonna be in the $2-3K anyway, I might as well get a headset!
Counterpoint to Shopify, loading spices onto cart dramatically increases your chance of meeting a mystical wolf spirit from zero to there's a chance.
Marques's microphone went from black to red back to black back to red back to black.
Also, I much prefer the red microphone. Marques bring it back, please! 😂
18:00 iirc apple's pancake optical stack places the virtual image (magnified display) slightly out of focus. this is what creates the very slight blur (reducing the sde).
on the other hand, meta's quest pro/3 optical stack are made to be as clear as possible. this makes it so you can see (very fine) SDE on the quest devices... but this also makes the quest clearer in certain scenarios even when compared to the vision pro's superior on-paper resolution (~34ppd vs ~25 on the quest 3). this is what KGontech talked about
yooooo 4 people on waveform (not including the other 2 goats Adam and Ellis), love this pod man
43:43 F1 With Vision Pro is amazing it could add RedBull Drone, Helmet View 🔥
So glad he pulled out the Steam AR headset. They look like came right out of Cyberpunk.
Guys I just wanna say one thing “Pokémon go on Vision Pro” I’ll let this be here
Yea that'll work a lot better. Cannot say it isn't for most of the 3d games out there too. AR/VR is more than a gimmick, it improved upon anything procedimg it a d beyond
Hugo Barra is giving big detective boyle vibes
Before watching this video I suddenly realized that we already have almost all the technology to make a full fledged vr headset from ready player one.
22:42 Marques is doing the forward slash at the right direction. Head to GCN Show for reference
you guys keep refreshing the notification every 2min? I do. happy Friday~
Coolest VR live sports implementation could be watching from the sky cam during an NFL game 🤔
30:40 carry the one ..
Yay for the shoutout to Silicon Graphics. 1993-2001
My family and I did the SF green room where you sit in a green room on a block and act like your flying on a carpet its pretty cool. Was around like 2006.
Paradigm
Apple could spark more interest in vision pro by simply releasing in other countries. I am furious that this takes them so long…
The real challenge with live sports is going to be getting broadcast rights, but man, if they could nail that it would be a huge win even without the VR aspect. Right now, if you want to get All The Games for your fave team in big sports, you've gotta subscribe to several different, expensive services, to a point that VP's price tag isn't even that wild even if that's the only thing you're getting it for.
This was really insightful!
30:17 - gays and pinch, are indeed, a gift to humanity
Someday you guys should do an episode exclusively about the NBA playoffs. Respect to Andrew and your Knicks, but let’s go Sixers 💙❤️💙❤️
The movie is good. But Ready Player One, the book, is so much better. (There's a dude who produced a whole audio book version on TH-cam with sound effects and all).
Dang, another full waveform episode about Apple Vision Pro? Guess there was nothing interesting to talk about this week… 😕
pre recorded ep
@mightywurm I just saw that too, didn't know at the time of commenting. Also I'm sure Hugo Barra is a well of tech knowledge, but I just don't know why we're going back to talking about Apple Vision Pro with every possible occasion. Unfortunately this week might be a skip for me
@@SkyLake86then just skip lol
i’d rather have content vs no content
@@SkyLake86 ye no hate but me too
@@SkyLake86you don’t gotta watch it, my guy.
Took me like 30 tries lol but just beat their top score 3.263s let’s goooppop
Swiping between desktops works fine in Vision Pro so even if I could make my desktops their own display I’d take that over just one Mac display
That's one top-tier guest. 👌🏻
Good to see Hugo back --sorry he didn't bring free gadgets for everyone 😅
Great interview. Keep it going guys 🔥
32 minute mark ... i think in the 90s the "tether" was called a PAN (Personal Area Network) and most attempts involved a Chewbacca-like belt with batteries and modules (they were the computers) ... more about Wearables back then, but same idea
Great interview. I disagree with the current statements from tech TH-camrs claiming the Vision Pro is “magic” to people who haven’t tried other VR headsets. I’ve watched a ton of AVP coverage and it becomes clear it’s the people who are experts or avid XR enthusiasts who are absolutely blown away by the AVP. It’s the gamers who rightfully don’t appreciate it. I’ve tried both the Quest and the AVP and the only way the “Quest is just as good” con works is if you’ve never tried the Quest.
PARADIGM!!!
honestly the no guest episodes r the best