Why Lysa Arryn Was Beautiful In The Books 😨 Jaime Almost Married Her!

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  • Did you know in the books Lysa Arryn was considered a very beautiful woman? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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ความคิดเห็น • 238

  • @rinray9685
    @rinray9685 ปีที่แล้ว +2163

    It's so sad she was forced to marry an old man at 14 while Caitlyn got to marry young ned.

    • @chideraalexanderdex547
      @chideraalexanderdex547 ปีที่แล้ว +96

      At least he treated her well

    • @zinkheroofyoutube8004
      @zinkheroofyoutube8004 ปีที่แล้ว +190

      @@chideraalexanderdex547That really doesn't make it better

    • @rinray9685
      @rinray9685 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chideraalexanderdex547 doesn't make it better plus he's a martial rapist

    • @chideraalexanderdex547
      @chideraalexanderdex547 ปีที่แล้ว +201

      @@zinkheroofyoutube8004 i think it does, considering the time period and the nature of marriage at that time

    • @zinkheroofyoutube8004
      @zinkheroofyoutube8004 ปีที่แล้ว +212

      @@chideraalexanderdex547 No, it doesn't
      He still forced her to get pregnant constantly, despite her many miscarriages, which considering the time period was more dangerous then it is today

  • @juanrangel3535
    @juanrangel3535 ปีที่แล้ว +581

    Basically, king's landing made her batshit crazy

    • @lonemotheo1964
      @lonemotheo1964 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Hanging out with Cersie would do that to you

    • @juanrangel3535
      @juanrangel3535 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@lonemotheo1964 good point

    • @KingSlayer_.
      @KingSlayer_. ปีที่แล้ว

      I think Littlefinger probably manipulated her into being paranoid, to make it easier to control her.

    • @Ruosteinenknight
      @Ruosteinenknight ปีที่แล้ว +31

      It didn't also help that her father forced her to have an abortion, that is implied to damaged more than mentally resulting more miscarriages.

    • @tierefuerimmer9635
      @tierefuerimmer9635 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      ​@Ruosteinenknight Jeez I may be pro choice especially if the pregnancy is from rape or if the mother's life is in danger but forcing someone who may want to give birth? That's just cruel and I doubt abortions were safe in that era

  • @faisalkamal4319
    @faisalkamal4319 ปีที่แล้ว +1441

    Jaime would never marry her
    not blond enough and didn't share the same womb

    • @videobooks3
      @videobooks3  ปีที่แล้ว +136

      The Blackfish had a better chance with Jaime 😂

    • @tanman49
      @tanman49 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Hahahaha I was about to say no wayyyy. She was fineee. Not more than Kat but she was fine but Jamie ain’t marrying none of them girls lol.

    • @tanman49
      @tanman49 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@videobooks3hahah yes!! Hahaha. When he got sent to riverun to become familiar with them and probably like them, he followed the blackfish around like a sick in love puppy the whole time asking him questions and want to hear his stories that’s how much he admired the black fish the deadly black trout of river run

    • @chideraalexanderdex547
      @chideraalexanderdex547 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@tanman49 lol i love the idea of a fanboying Jamie
      I hope the blackfish accommodated him

    • @samantha953
      @samantha953 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I don’t think he would have had a choice. The decision would have been made by Tywin if he hadn’t been made a Kingsguard.

  • @satinarmor
    @satinarmor ปีที่แล้ว +93

    I wish the show conveyed this more I hated her during my initial watch. But now as I read the books, I feel really bad for her. Could’ve added much more depth to her character in GoT.

    • @eddyesdras
      @eddyesdras 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I don't symphatize with her since her insincere letter to Catelyn was one of the key elements that iniciated the war between Starks and Lannisters... 😓... But, as this short shows, it's fitting. Westeros politics destroyed her, so she destroyed Westeros in return, unknowingly... 😅😬😵

  • @jacobstephens6073
    @jacobstephens6073 ปีที่แล้ว +240

    I've never heard the term "high breasted" before but it is definitely part of my vocabulary now 😂🎉

    • @3katfox
      @3katfox ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Perky tatas

    • @tonyjunior-thefirstgentlem410
      @tonyjunior-thefirstgentlem410 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yet you have heard of a million jokes about great breasts. And this is where the original term came from.

    • @rahimirahim1107
      @rahimirahim1107 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@3katfox🤣

    • @jamielthashepherd6870
      @jamielthashepherd6870 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Was literally gonna say the same thing

  • @IlBuonDiavolo131313
    @IlBuonDiavolo131313 ปีที่แล้ว +222

    I am sure she had some sort of condition, she was way too unpredictable and paranoid both in the books and in the series.

    • @Traz_a_verdinha
      @Traz_a_verdinha ปีที่แล้ว +120

      She fell in love with a boy who only cared about her favoured sister, had to abort the child she had with him, married a man 20 years older than HER FATHER,had many miscarriages and stillbirths, bro she doesn't need some sort of condition to be crazy 😂😂😂 but I understand your point

    • @marycanary86
      @marycanary86 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      one shouldnt diagnose fictional characters but it might well be some sort of post partum psychosis after one of her stillbirths, possibly worsened by grief, which obviously wouldnt have had a cure at the time.

    • @ogiebear8484
      @ogiebear8484 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Traz_a_verdinhawho was the boy she fell in love with? Never read the books

    • @taylorlipinski4048
      @taylorlipinski4048 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ​@@ogiebear8484Petyr Baelish or LittleFinger

    • @Traz_a_verdinha
      @Traz_a_verdinha ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ogiebear8484 baelish/littlefinger

  • @batticusmanacleas510
    @batticusmanacleas510 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    High Breasted Girl sounds like a weed dispensary/strip joint mashup

  • @roguejester4986
    @roguejester4986 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    She also violated Littlefinger.

  • @gennaronarducci1333
    @gennaronarducci1333 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    But during the Robert's ribellion wasn't Catelyn 19 and Lysa was 15 - 16?

    • @lewisbean9131
      @lewisbean9131 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      15, 16 or maybe 17, her birth year is not confirmed. Cat was 18-19, so there may be 3 years between them

    • @MysterDoktor
      @MysterDoktor 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did they have sauce for their "ribellion"?

  • @lonemotheo1964
    @lonemotheo1964 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Jamie dodged a f*ckin bullet train with her

    • @Himesua
      @Himesua ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Thank heaven he had the totally super sane and stable Cersei to be with. Nothing weird or toxic there...

    • @sebastiaanv
      @sebastiaanv ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Himesua😂😂😂

    • @rottenkittenparvo
      @rottenkittenparvo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jamie rvped cersei

    • @prska
      @prska 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@rottenkittenparvono he didn't?

  • @opalskycanvas
    @opalskycanvas ปีที่แล้ว +92

    It’s not because she gained weight that she started looking older. Must have been an actual health condition, probably the cause of the failed pregnancies, because typically gaining weight would make you appear younger. And hide some of the appearance of aging.

    • @beththegreen
      @beththegreen ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Not according to George
      Apparently you're either slim and young and beautiful or fat and uly and old (only applies to women)

    • @sebastiaanv
      @sebastiaanv ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@beththegreenlmao true

    • @Ashbrash1998
      @Ashbrash1998 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@beththegreenNot really, he described Rhae as plump but beautiful, he describes Arianne as busty and curvy and again, beautiful

  • @ameliaflynnhayes
    @ameliaflynnhayes ปีที่แล้ว +76

    She may have been beautiful before she married Jon but after their years together she become less beautiful

    • @rinray9685
      @rinray9685 ปีที่แล้ว

      She's still beautiful just thick

    • @misskate3815
      @misskate3815 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, that’s what happens when kids are abused by pedophiles with a breeding fetish.
      I am the conductor of the Jon Arryn Hate Train.

    • @juliandacosta6841
      @juliandacosta6841 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      She got married at 14...

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@juliandacosta6841 That's legal in some places, like Westeros LMAO!

    • @leahpanya57
      @leahpanya57 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@juliandacosta6841"Beautiful" doesn't only mean "I'd bang them". People can be beautiful at any age.

  • @MisstressMourtisha
    @MisstressMourtisha ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Loosing your children is what changed her

  • @darkmelusina8388
    @darkmelusina8388 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I never thought I'd hear the term "high-breasted" used to describe a girl

  • @analauramorelrocha2383
    @analauramorelrocha2383 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Maybe Jon was the infertile one, he had stilborns before Lysa, didn't he? And he is too old to have kids, this affects fertility

    • @Myapanna
      @Myapanna หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That is the point buddy, Lysa actually had a pregancy begore marrying Jon

  • @ashtton_tapiwa
    @ashtton_tapiwa ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Didn't LF accidentally impregnate Lysa? LF thought he was having sex with Cat but it was really Lysa. And i think Hoster Tully forced her daughter to abort

    • @Ashbrash1998
      @Ashbrash1998 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No Lysa flat out raped him. He was heavily wounded (he almost died) and high off milk of the poppy, which Lysa knew and did it anyway. But she did sadly get pregnant

    • @Lumosnight
      @Lumosnight ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ashbrash1998oh shut up, that wasn’t rape

  • @kennethwilliams8696
    @kennethwilliams8696 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    High-breasted? Reminds me of something I heard my very southern friend say once with his thick southern accent: “she got some child-bearing hips”. Lol

  • @AS-yz2iz
    @AS-yz2iz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the picture of Hurrem stuck in the middle of the video. 😂

  • @myphuongrx
    @myphuongrx ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Casual art piece of Hurrem thrown in there too 😅

  • @erys8957
    @erys8957 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jaime never cared about Lysa; if I remember correctly, during one meeting, Jaime was very taken with the Blackfish and did not speak to Lysa at all.

  • @kerrirae
    @kerrirae ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Idk poisoning your husband who's hand to the king *is* pretty brave

  • @Angie-k8b
    @Angie-k8b 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    She was a product of the environment she grew up. I don't justify her actions but I do feel sorry for her.

  • @jenniferc9002
    @jenniferc9002 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Was there a reason to emphasize that she was “high breasted”? lol 😂is it a quote from the book or just a nice dig at the GOT version of the character’s droopy boobs? 😅

    • @justadjustor8993
      @justadjustor8993 ปีที่แล้ว

      *WHEEZE* 😂

    • @tajajones7003
      @tajajones7003 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No that’s is a quote it’s how cat describes young Lysa

  • @justbinky8447
    @justbinky8447 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    where can i buy the books you show

    • @DocEtan
      @DocEtan ปีที่แล้ว

      Amazon(a song of ice and fire)

    • @tajajones7003
      @tajajones7003 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you have a local library do that there are 5 and they very long it’s easier if you don’t like them also

  • @MamaBunny_333
    @MamaBunny_333 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why is a fan art of Hurrem Sultana in the video for Lyssa?

    • @rainbowhairsings
      @rainbowhairsings ปีที่แล้ว

      😂 I was like picture of Hurrem weird

    • @MamaBunny_333
      @MamaBunny_333 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rainbowhairsings right?!

    • @ComaLies225
      @ComaLies225 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Saw your comment and had to do a double take. Lol😂

  • @evafleury5538
    @evafleury5538 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's no way a Tulley would've married a Lannister.

    • @Prussie
      @Prussie ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The reason Cersei convinced Jaime to join the Kingsguard was because there were talks between Hoster and Tywin for a betrothal between Jaime and Lysa. This was pre-rebellion, before the bad blood between the houses.

    • @thegreenmanofnorwich
      @thegreenmanofnorwich ปีที่แล้ว +1

      At the point war breaks out, no. Politically though, the Tullys are a great house and lords paramount of the Riverlands. They're on the same stratum as house Lannister, even if the Lannisters might consider everyone else beneath them. In medieval terms it would likely have been a "good match" or at least an acceptable one.

    • @evafleury5538
      @evafleury5538 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thegreenmanofnorwich If this marriage did take place, would Jamie possibly become Lord of Riverrun and Casterly Rock? Is that possible?

    • @thegreenmanofnorwich
      @thegreenmanofnorwich ปีที่แล้ว

      @@evafleury5538 unlikely. Primogeniture seems to be male-line in Westeros, except in Dorne. So Edmure would inherit. If he were to die childless, then the estate would go to the next male heir from the Tully line. In order for Jaime to get it, there would have to be no male heir, and Catelyn would also have to be deceased (and probably without having borne male children, too)

    • @nicksmithnutmilk
      @nicksmithnutmilk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​​@@evafleury5538no . Even if Lysa and Jaime got married , after Hoster's death the succession line would have been this :
      1. Edmure
      2. Edmure's son
      3. Blackfish
      4. Catelyn
      5. Robb
      6. Bran ( The Broken )
      7. Rickon
      8. Lysa

  • @imbul001
    @imbul001 ปีที่แล้ว

    You did not hold back

  • @carmenmoore8876
    @carmenmoore8876 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please, she was crazy

  • @alizeshan6432
    @alizeshan6432 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Am I the only one who keeps drawing parallels with Sansa (from the show).

  • @janvisingh3464
    @janvisingh3464 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fate has not been kind to Lysa and her death was tragic tbh.

  • @223sushi
    @223sushi ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds like my CK2 playthrough

  • @sheisaMachine
    @sheisaMachine ปีที่แล้ว

    I forget who is Jon Arryn

  • @PrincessStabbityStabb
    @PrincessStabbityStabb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "High breasted"??! 🤨

  • @h.l.asolomonov7674
    @h.l.asolomonov7674 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So she had thyroid problem?

  • @Setton_Exile
    @Setton_Exile ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Still say Robin Arynn is Hers and little Fingers Son.

  • @lisag2319
    @lisag2319 ปีที่แล้ว

    Typisch geval 'Leuk om te krijgen, maar niet om voor jezelf te kopen'.

  • @johnreydelatorre3450
    @johnreydelatorre3450 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What is a high-breasted girl? Is it literal?

  • @gj6645
    @gj6645 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Sansa few years after being queen lol

    • @namedrop721
      @namedrop721 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Nah, she finally has peace and a dude 20 years her senior isn’t raping her as a broodmare
      I imagine she’ll be both sane and pretty (not sure which you care about) for many years

  • @mael8881
    @mael8881 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Georges seems to be quite fatphobic (against women) when he's himself a very large man...
    Edit: I just started Game of Thrones (Book 1) so I have no idea (and because everything is written from a character's point of view you can blame fatphobia on them).
    I'm just making the observation that when I listen to how @videobooks3 say things, sometimes it makes me uncomfortable. (I also know it's probably how the characters in the books judges who they're seeing, but still)

    • @alfieingrouille1528
      @alfieingrouille1528 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      explain?

    • @ogiebear8484
      @ogiebear8484 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      😂😂the fact that you said he’s fatphobic, but he’s also fat, and don’t see the irony is hilarious.

    • @victorsardaneta8727
      @victorsardaneta8727 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Or you know? His book is placed on a setting where beauty matters and people are actually judged?

    • @mael8881
      @mael8881 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​@@ogiebear8484 you never encountered an homophobic gay man? Or a misogynistic woman? Sorry to break it to you, but the world is not as logical as we would like 😐
      (And let's not talk about the colorism in the western black community or in East Asia... Invention of white people yes, but still racism from poc)
      Also, fat white men are definitely permitted to be fatphobic towards fat women of all ages. Misogynistic? Yes. Still fatphobia added to it.

    • @mael8881
      @mael8881 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@victorsardaneta8727yes I know, so it's maybe just the way @videobooks3 says it. I absolutely LOVE this channel but sometimes the way he (they?) tells things makes me uncomfortable. And it's usually reduced to "she used to be pretty BUT now she's fat".
      I don't mind when he uses the "is considered" formulation to express that it's only a perception from people in the world of Asoiaf.

  •  ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So she was a walking (flying) foreshadow for Sansa.

    • @PhebusdesTours
      @PhebusdesTours ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sansa has nothing in common with her, except blood and a bit of her appearance. She's the sanest out there.

    •  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PhebusdesTours I don't disagree, but let's see how our girl will turn out in her 40s.

  • @stonem0013
    @stonem0013 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    for a beautiful girl to turn into a haggard crone is indeed one of the greatest tragedies in life

  • @alfieingrouille1528
    @alfieingrouille1528 ปีที่แล้ว

    is she dead in the books?

    • @lyarrastark6254
      @lyarrastark6254 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes. Her death in the show was not so different from the books.

    • @alfieingrouille1528
      @alfieingrouille1528 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@lyarrastark6254 good to know

    • @disslove
      @disslove ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. But after that everything from the show went into different direction than in the books.

    • @thedreamscripter4002
      @thedreamscripter4002 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@dissloveEspecially with Sansa

    • @alfieingrouille1528
      @alfieingrouille1528 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thedreamscripter4002 I hated season 5 so much 💀💀💀💀

  • @the98themperoroftheholybri33
    @the98themperoroftheholybri33 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I see where Sansa gets her looks from