Thanks for explaining everything, i just ordered a blade 480. I think i have a loose tail problem on my 230. Im definitely gonna do more testing before i fly it around next time.
You’re welcome! My goal is to make a series about this stuff, and how to learn and progress and so on. I’m hoping to have a Fusion 480 soon! That is one model I do not own and have not flown. Definitely check your blade is on properly and you don’t have any cut or shaved wires to the motor.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 after inspection I found the tail boom was a little loose and all 3 wires have some damage! And that's causing the motor to only spin one way it doesn't work the other way. Now I know to check all functions before flying away! Thanks again 😃
Respect for your skills. Im way more cautious - i got a tail wag, i land and try to solve it first. But im fearly new into helis. I love it because its challenging and these machines are quite complex. Fixed wing aircrafts are 'kindergarden' in comparison.
Thank you, yeah, tail wags don’t bother me on maidens. Especially if it’s just a slight one. now if it is a big wag or a fast wag, I will land and fix the issue before continuing to fly. Helicopters are very challenging. I have been flying airplanes for well over 28 years and can do anything and everything with them but helicopters there’s always something new to one and more rewarding when you do fly.
@Always Flying I have flown and own multiple turbine aircraft, I have competed in pretty much every competition in all the way up to top gun. I have and in the middle of building the biggest B-52 in the world never once and I was better.
Thats Awsome Jeff i honestly wish I ran into this type of video when i first started out. I remember my first maiden was straight hell. I had my gyro direction backwards and when i was trying to get light on the skids my model took a hard crash to the left in less then 10 seconds
Thank you Nick! I appreciate it! I’m hoping to release a bunch of videos along this line to help people not have bad maidens or crashes because of something as simple as your Gyro direction. Believe it or not, that is some thing that is very well overlooked and I have seen countless crash videos because of it. Thank you for watching!
I’ve stick to blade BNFs so far… so my knowledge on programming and PID tuning is lacking. I know nothing about the Ikon but I’m seriously considering it when I finally get around to a build. I imagine PIDs are used as well with it. A detailed video explaining how you would tune out common issues such as tail wag, occasional wet dog shake in a hover, and…. Not sure of the proper term here but… rotor/cyclic shock during hard stops like during tik toks and other collective/cyclic heavy maneuvers would be greatly appreciated.
I consider myself a Luddite which is not ideal for this hobby lmao but if I could figure out how to setup the iKon on my crappy laptop you can too. Trust me lol and Jeff has extremely detailed videos about it 👍
Yes, the maiden flight tips from this video applied to all helicopters and set ups. It will all be the same as far as general direction what you’re looking for and so on. Personally, iKon is the easiest FBL to set up hands-down. PID’s are used pretty much, the same way little different as there is more that you can tune with iKon. Don’t worry, a full “how to tune” video will be coming out soon! Thank you for watching!
Your welcome! Thank you for watching. I’m glad that was a useful tip for you. Some people will say it doesn’t matter but proper gear mesh is very important!
Thank you! I appreciate it, I’m going to start doing some more new person videos getting into the Hobby. Try and make a beginners series. We need more helpful videos for the person just getting in.
Only ever messed with a blade 230s and I’ve bitten the bullet and got a sab goblin 570 with 600 blades I’m just waiting for the brain 2 to arrive then it’s set up time I’ve never set a helicopter up so it should be interesting I just hope I set it up right for the madden go I wish I knew someone round me to set it up so it gives me the confidence for the madden ha ha ha it’s a massive learning curve setting these beasts up
You can definitely do it! The goblin 570 is a great model! Watch my MSH iKon/Brain setup videos and that will get the model setup perfectly. Take your time and the heli will fly great! There is not a lot of guys in my area either that fly helis and I had to learn everything I know on my own. Now I’m lucky enough to share with all of you.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Specifically on LiHV batteries would be awesome if you have any insight on them. Theoretically, they squeeze out more power and longer flights at a lighter weight. They are very popular for drones, but there is not content nor much testing yet on it for helis.
Thanks again, Jeff. I bought a Piuma a few weeks ago and have been trying to sort it out and mostly because I bought a Spektrum 6250 FBL unit because it was the only thing available locally. I have an IKon2 on the way. Hopefully, that will be easier to sort out. PS: Still plan on having you build me one in a few months.
You’re welcome! I haven’t messed with the 6250 enough to give any real opinions or knowledge. You will love the iKON. It is so nice to set up and tune!
@@westhobbiesrc8051Jeff Thats f-ing great I’m on the verge of maidening my r42 My nano died sadly but another one is ordered nano flying is not a crime we all do it secretly when our wife’s sleep.
i'm working on the raw 580 as a drone platform for my school project, such a nice machine to work with (which is my first heli and model that you made me discover). i'have broke a blade due to screw not tighten enough during a low speed spooling test (bearly spining) it strike the boom and yeeted a RTK GPS (still working). my flight controller is a bit too recent so heli support is a bit messy with either autopilot software but i still can configure cyclic and all servo. She have yet to do her maiden flight in manual but i still need to do the cyclic alignment i'have notice that i mounted the servo arms of servo two to close to end of course while rocking around cyclic axis. Your video help me a lot to diagnosis my error thanks a lot, despite FBL settings doesn't translate to full fledge flight controller but it cover the essential setup of a heli
That sounds like an awesome project! Have you looked into the H1 flight controller? It is an auto pilot auto level type of controller. IThat sounds like an awesome project! Have you looked into the H one flight controller? It is a auto pilot auto level type of controller. I don’t think you can do everything you’re trying to do but it might be worth looking into. Yes, you must keep your blade bolts tight enough that the blades can’t straight to the boom while scrolling up or down as a leading blade will drag as the trailing blade will advance. I’m glad the video is helpful, good luck on the project!
Hi awesome vid as always Jeff, really good flight and an incredible machine you got there. I have some question about the first flight setups for a Helicopter. I have a Trex 450 pro DFC with an new (but old system I know) align 3gx FBL unit. I did made the maiden but there w things that are bugging me around. 1st the manual and also over forums and other people keep mentioning something about blade tracking and that is something I have to look for in the flight but what is that and how do I know if I have to do something to fix it? Because in the manual it speaks about tracking that if have to adjust it, I actually have to use the control arms from the swashplate to the blade grip, but I had to adjust one side of those arms to get 0º pitch at 50 in - 50 out so I’m kinda scared that if touch the lengths of those links my blade pitch adjustments will get bad 2nd you mentioned that we have to see for some tal bounce after doing a tail rotation (rudder to left or right) and I have a minimal tail bounce that I really don’t know how to fix it? Is it the 3gx that bad that really is worth nothing? I mean this heli was kept in his box for more than 10 years and know that I build it I don’t know if it is really so important to spend more money in a new FBL unit like the ikon. Greetings from Venezuela
Hello! Thank you, I hope the video was useful. Blade tracking, you really want to use a pitch gauge for perfect Blade tracking. Back when that helicopter was built and in the older days we used to use a piece of tape on one blade take the helicopter into a hover and look at the rotor see what blade was higher or lower and adjust the linkages accordingly. But with digital pitch gauges you can put a stick at mid stick and use your pitch gauge and adjust the linkage from the swashplate to the blade group to get a perfect zero pitch on Helicopter and you will have perfect Blade tracking. Now, the 3GX, so that is probably the worst FBL ever made for a few big reasons. They never flew right, very hard to adjust and get perfect on things like tail bounce. Also, they are know for going crazy and crashing. I would definitely recommend something like the iKon/Brain FBL unit.
Great video! I am new to heli flying and was wondering about starting with a 500 size model. I live in an area where it is windy most of the time. Would you recommend this size to start out?
Thank you! I greatly appreciate it. I hope the videos are helpful. So a 500 size is a great size. In todays helis even a Goosky S2 flys like a 700. I would highly recommend getting a S2 to start with then a 500. If you have not seen my video on buying your first heli I would go check it out. The main reason i say start with a smaller heli like the S2 is crash cost. It will handle the wind really well. The Goosky RS4 Venom is also another great one to look at.
I am kinda new to helicopters and have my first flybarless. When you try to take off and it trys to tip on its side can you try to subtrim that out? I am familiar with planes, but helicopters I am kinda lost lol
No, never use sub trim or any trim in the radio. If the helicopter is trying to tip over check and make sure the swash plate is level. What helicopter?
@WestHobbiesRC I am in self level mode. I think I need to level the swashplate. It hovers fine in normal mode. I am going to hobby store this weekend to get one. I am in indiana
Jeff what part of the country do you reside in? I would love to find someone as knowledgeable as you up here in Maine! I’d pay you to help me set up my futaba/microbeast plus!
I think that the first thing to do is just hover in place and listen to the heli. Does every thing sound the way it should.
Man you have the best videos. This is super helpful. Thank you!
Thank you! I greatly appreciate that. I try to make very informative videos!
Our man, westhobbiesRC always bringing us the good educational stuff here :)!
awesome im a bloody beginner and got my m2 last week.
Awesome! Congratulations. Welcome to the Heli addiction lol practice practice practice and you will be a pro before you know it.
Wicked Video !! Good work !! This will help ALOT of people !
Thank you! I appreciate it.
Thanks for explaining everything, i just ordered a blade 480. I think i have a loose tail problem on my 230. Im definitely gonna do more testing before i fly it around next time.
You’re welcome! My goal is to make a series about this stuff, and how to learn and progress and so on. I’m hoping to have a Fusion 480 soon! That is one model I do not own and have not flown. Definitely check your blade is on properly and you don’t have any cut or shaved wires to the motor.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 after inspection I found the tail boom was a little loose and all 3 wires have some damage! And that's causing the motor to only spin one way it doesn't work the other way. Now I know to check all functions before flying away! Thanks again 😃
Thanks for sharing, I got two helicopters for a maiden flight. Your video is what I've been looking for😁
I’m glad this video was helpful!
Ikon set up video!!! Super excited to watch!
I have quite a few set up videos already posted, but I am working on the tuning video. Answer a lot of questions!
Thanks! Very helpful videos for this noob helicopter pilot.
Thank you very much! I greatly appreciate that! I’m glad the video was helpful.
Nice flying - you don't need the radio for hovering lol - perfect setup 🙂
Thank you! A properly set up helicopter should hover hands off no problem!
Also, check blade tracking.
Respect for your skills. Im way more cautious - i got a tail wag, i land and try to solve it first. But im fearly new into helis. I love it because its challenging and these machines are quite complex. Fixed wing aircrafts are 'kindergarden' in comparison.
Thank you, yeah, tail wags don’t bother me on maidens. Especially if it’s just a slight one. now if it is a big wag or a fast wag, I will land and fix the issue before continuing to fly. Helicopters are very challenging. I have been flying airplanes for well over 28 years and can do anything and everything with them but helicopters there’s always something new to one and more rewarding when you do fly.
@Always Flying I have flown and own multiple turbine aircraft, I have competed in pretty much every competition in all the way up to top gun. I have and in the middle of building the biggest B-52 in the world never once and I was better.
@alwaysflying6540 no i have not. Just foamies. I didnt want to 'offend' anybody. Someone always feels pissed off. Its sad.
Thats Awsome Jeff i honestly wish I ran into this type of video when i first started out. I remember my first maiden was straight hell. I had my gyro direction backwards and when i was trying to get light on the skids my model took a hard crash to the left in less then 10 seconds
Thank you Nick! I appreciate it! I’m hoping to release a bunch of videos along this line to help people not have bad maidens or crashes because of something as simple as your Gyro direction. Believe it or not, that is some thing that is very well overlooked and I have seen countless crash videos because of it. Thank you for watching!
Good class
Thank you!
I’ve stick to blade BNFs so far… so my knowledge on programming and PID tuning is lacking. I know nothing about the Ikon but I’m seriously considering it when I finally get around to a build. I imagine PIDs are used as well with it.
A detailed video explaining how you would tune out common issues such as tail wag, occasional wet dog shake in a hover, and…. Not sure of the proper term here but… rotor/cyclic shock during hard stops like during tik toks and other collective/cyclic heavy maneuvers would be greatly appreciated.
I consider myself a Luddite which is not ideal for this hobby lmao but if I could figure out how to setup the iKon on my crappy laptop you can too. Trust me lol and Jeff has extremely detailed videos about it 👍
Yes, the maiden flight tips from this video applied to all helicopters and set ups. It will all be the same as far as general direction what you’re looking for and so on. Personally, iKon is the easiest FBL to set up hands-down. PID’s are used pretty much, the same way little different as there is more that you can tune with iKon. Don’t worry, a full “how to tune” video will be coming out soon! Thank you for watching!
Awesome pre flight reminder Cheers 👍🏻 Plus love the tip for gear toleranceon previous vid of feeding paper between super helpful 👌🏻
Your welcome! Thank you for watching. I’m glad that was a useful tip for you. Some people will say it doesn’t matter but proper gear mesh is very important!
Awesome video 👌.Content like this will help out someone new/struggling with an issue with there machine. Keep up the awesome videos. 🚁💨💯
Thank you! I appreciate it, I’m going to start doing some more new person videos getting into the Hobby. Try and make a beginners series. We need more helpful videos for the person just getting in.
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Hi Jeff. Nice flying and instructions for novices 👍
Thank you! I get asked a lot of different things, so I am going to start making some beginner videos. Try to help everybody in the Hobby!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 noble and needed thing 👍
Only ever messed with a blade 230s and I’ve bitten the bullet and got a sab goblin 570 with 600 blades I’m just waiting for the brain 2 to arrive then it’s set up time I’ve never set a helicopter up so it should be interesting I just hope I set it up right for the madden go I wish I knew someone round me to set it up so it gives me the confidence for the madden ha ha ha it’s a massive learning curve setting these beasts up
You can definitely do it! The goblin 570 is a great model! Watch my MSH iKon/Brain setup videos and that will get the model setup perfectly. Take your time and the heli will fly great! There is not a lot of guys in my area either that fly helis and I had to learn everything I know on my own. Now I’m lucky enough to share with all of you.
Always top notch Jeff.!
Who cuts your lawn, its stunning!
Do you have any plans on doing a video on lipos and LiHV?
I definitely can! What kind of video would you like? Just different Lipo batteries and C rating in such?
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Specifically on LiHV batteries would be awesome if you have any insight on them. Theoretically, they squeeze out more power and longer flights at a lighter weight. They are very popular for drones, but there is not content nor much testing yet on it for helis.
Thanks again, Jeff. I bought a Piuma a few weeks ago and have been trying to sort it out and mostly because I bought a Spektrum 6250 FBL unit because it was the only thing available locally. I have an IKon2 on the way. Hopefully, that will be easier to sort out.
PS: Still plan on having you build me one in a few months.
You’re welcome! I haven’t messed with the 6250 enough to give any real opinions or knowledge. You will love the iKON. It is so nice to set up and tune!
@@westhobbiesrc8051Jeff Thats f-ing great I’m on the verge of maidening my r42
My nano died sadly but another one is ordered nano flying is not a crime we all do it secretly when our wife’s sleep.
i'm working on the raw 580 as a drone platform for my school project, such a nice machine to work with (which is my first heli and model that you made me discover).
i'have broke a blade due to screw not tighten enough during a low speed spooling test (bearly spining) it strike the boom and yeeted a RTK GPS (still working).
my flight controller is a bit too recent so heli support is a bit messy with either autopilot software but i still can configure cyclic and all servo. She have yet to do her maiden flight in manual
but i still need to do the cyclic alignment i'have notice that i mounted the servo arms of servo two to close to end of course while rocking around cyclic axis.
Your video help me a lot to diagnosis my error thanks a lot, despite FBL settings doesn't translate to full fledge flight controller but it cover the essential setup of a heli
That sounds like an awesome project! Have you looked into the H1 flight controller? It is an auto pilot auto level type of controller. IThat sounds like an awesome project! Have you looked into the H one flight controller? It is a auto pilot auto level type of controller. I don’t think you can do everything you’re trying to do but it might be worth looking into. Yes, you must keep your blade bolts tight enough that the blades can’t straight to the boom while scrolling up or down as a leading blade will drag as the trailing blade will advance. I’m glad the video is helpful, good luck on the project!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 I'm working with a pixhawk 5X under a dev version of px4.
I needed stuff like gimbal and ros2 support
Good job dude 👍
Thank you!
Hi awesome vid as always Jeff, really good flight and an incredible machine you got there. I have some question about the first flight setups for a Helicopter. I have a Trex 450 pro DFC with an new (but old system I know) align 3gx FBL unit. I did made the maiden but there w things that are bugging me around.
1st the manual and also over forums and other people keep mentioning something about blade tracking and that is something I have to look for in the flight but what is that and how do I know if I have to do something to fix it? Because in the manual it speaks about tracking that if have to adjust it, I actually have to use the control arms from the swashplate to the blade grip, but I had to adjust one side of those arms to get 0º pitch at 50 in - 50 out so I’m kinda scared that if touch the lengths of those links my blade pitch adjustments will get bad
2nd you mentioned that we have to see for some tal bounce after doing a tail rotation (rudder to left or right) and I have a minimal tail bounce that I really don’t know how to fix it? Is it the 3gx that bad that really is worth nothing? I mean this heli was kept in his box for more than 10 years and know that I build it I don’t know if it is really so important to spend more money in a new FBL unit like the ikon.
Greetings from Venezuela
Hello! Thank you, I hope the video was useful. Blade tracking, you really want to use a pitch gauge for perfect Blade tracking. Back when that helicopter was built and in the older days we used to use a piece of tape on one blade take the helicopter into a hover and look at the rotor see what blade was higher or lower and adjust the linkages accordingly. But with digital pitch gauges you can put a stick at mid stick and use your pitch gauge and adjust the linkage from the swashplate to the blade group to get a perfect zero pitch on Helicopter and you will have perfect Blade tracking. Now, the 3GX, so that is probably the worst FBL ever made for a few big reasons. They never flew right, very hard to adjust and get perfect on things like tail bounce. Also, they are know for going crazy and crashing. I would definitely recommend something like the iKon/Brain FBL unit.
Beautiful model. But i miss your old flying place😢
Probably my favorite 700 size machine so far. I miss flying here too, it’s literally right out front of my door. I could fly all day every day lol.
Ha I have a kraken 580 I will like to know what your head gains that you set your on
On the kraken 580 I ran the stock iKon gains for the head.
Great video! I am new to heli flying and was wondering about starting with a 500 size model. I live in an area where it is windy most of the time. Would you recommend this size to start out?
Thank you! I greatly appreciate it. I hope the videos are helpful. So a 500 size is a great size. In todays helis even a Goosky S2 flys like a 700. I would highly recommend getting a S2 to start with then a 500. If you have not seen my video on buying your first heli I would go check it out. The main reason i say start with a smaller heli like the S2 is crash cost. It will handle the wind really well. The Goosky RS4 Venom is also another great one to look at.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Thanks for your quick response. I checked out both models and it seems like the RS4 would be easier to keep track of.
very nice I like it
Thank you! Hopefully it is helpful
Hello can we trim through radio for stablizing while hovering?
Hello! No, you never want to use Radio trim tabs to trim the heli. If the swash plate is perfectly level then it should not drift
I am kinda new to helicopters and have my first flybarless. When you try to take off and it trys to tip on its side can you try to subtrim that out? I am familiar with planes, but helicopters I am kinda lost lol
No, never use sub trim or any trim in the radio. If the helicopter is trying to tip over check and make sure the swash plate is level. What helicopter?
@WestHobbiesRC omp hobby v2 explore. It has the upgraded metal parts on it. Was a Christmas present lol and don't want ruin it yet.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 I am using a spektrum dx8e for transmitter
@@wernzjrkurt41 Did you by chance do any adjusting to the turnbuckles or linkages? Are you in self level mode or regular non-self level?
@WestHobbiesRC I am in self level mode. I think I need to level the swashplate. It hovers fine in normal mode. I am going to hobby store this weekend to get one. I am in indiana
Jeff what part of the country do you reside in? I would love to find someone as knowledgeable as you up here in Maine! I’d pay you to help me set up my futaba/microbeast plus!
I am in Tennessee, you can send me an email that is a LinkedIn description
Jeff, where is your shop?
Or if anyone else knows, let me know, Jeff’s probably busy.
👍😉
Thank you!
Wow they taking away your flying field
Unfortunately yes, this flying field is gone but! I’ve got many more!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 yeah the same here in NY very little flying fields now .
@@stevealoia lucky i live in the country so there is big fields everywhere!
i will never fly iKon again. Radiomaster Nexus is the best and way cheaper...
@@beenflying1 different strokes for different folks. The nexus is a very complex system and ikon is so much easier to setup.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 I'm told they're working on an easier setup, for those that need it. ESC's will be next...