Very nice boat. But some drawbacks (in my opinion) 1st, the cockpit is too small for a family of 4 (we can spend a lot of time in the cockpit). 2nd, the master bed seems too small for Jordan (?) 3rd, hard to work on the engine (but it's a good one)
If i had the money, this boat was well taken care of, new instrument's looked like it was a new boat, even the lines :). Yup would be my pick of all the boat you have shown us :)
@@10bbremer Undestrucable try to hit a reef in the dark, with a fin keel and no protected rudder and prop, then you would love this " old " boat, if safety are a concern for you :)
Too small beds. I think you should be in more the 45-50 foot range for a family-sized vessel . The engine compartment is not well designed, which is a real issue in my opinion.
If they are looking at boats listing at $220k+, there are good options in the 45-50 foot range. Everything is a trade off. This is an awesome boat for a couple, but not for a family of four for 15 years. I would not rush to a decision on this.
Have to agree. Bigger is better, and with kids on the way!!! I really keep my eye on that beam size too. What a difference that makes on these ole girls.
I think the mistake you guys are making is not talking to sailing kids. Lots of sailing families on TH-cam. Go talk to the kids. Ask them what to look for.
There is not usually room for a dinghy in davits and a wind vane. We do have friends that had davits and a hydro and, but you only can use one at a time. For passages dinghy should not be in davits, IMHO.
Hi. I’ve said it before but it warrants mentioning again. I’m a sailor with two kids. If you are buying for the future, Kids need their own space and this boat does not do that. You don’t know what you don’t know and I can only hope you will pick the floor plan that meets a family’s needs. This ain’t it
@@VvDiverDownvV haven’t owned either but have researched the westerly as they are not uncommon in my neck of the woods. Reputation for being well built from what I have read. They go by many names as the company changed hands a few times. Oceanlord is actually a westerly but I can’t find much info on it. Hope that helps, good luck!
Noted that you have not looked at more boats manufactured in Europe such as Nautors Swan, Hallberg Rassy, Malo, Oysters, Grand Soleil, Alubat etc. Much more choice over here.
I’m sure you don’t want to hear this, but one of your sailing You Tube competitors has mentioned several times that European prices are significantly lower.
I brought this up to them too. However, there are the customs and taxes and you also don't easily look at boats in Europe these days. On top, you would also have to invest a month+ to get your new boat (on your first trip) to the Canal, they may run out of time.
i was loving this boat till he he got to the engine part, then as a mechanic, i thought now way would i want to work on that, especially in an emergency situation. that overhead hatch for the engine looks almost useless.
There is engine access from the quarter berth on our PS40, but it is small and just gives access to the starboard side of the engine for dipstick, throttle linkage, emergency engine cutoff, and oil pressure transducers. You are spot on about removing the back wall in the below cockpit engine access. That absolutely allows me to fit in there, but I’m not 6’4”. Starter motor replacement is tough, but doable. Fortunately it isn’t required often. Oil change is pretty easy, but can be messy removing the side mount filter. The good news is it is all contained in the gel coated sump so it is easy to clean up. We have 6 AGM group 27 batteries and one starter battery beneath the sole. Really nice for keeping CG low. We also installed a factory made 22 gallon aux fuel tank in that removable locker forward of the galley you spoke of.
That V-berth looks small. Really S.M.A.L.L. The Valiant 42 for the win? BTW - this series has been a gift !!! I am not even looking for a boat, but have enjoyed every one of these shows so much. Kudos and thank you.
I thought the same thing. PS decided that having side entrance was important, so they gave away valuable bed acreage to make egress easier. If I had this boat I would do some remodeling of this area. On the plus side, PS decided one spacious head is better than 2 cramped ones. I agree with this strategy. Space is precious, why give it away on something as frivilous as being able to use two baths at the same time?
I which ever you choose, you have clearly reached out to the right people if you want sound advice. Good for you, and all the best on your new boat. I think you earned it.
I am getting sweats just looking at the V berth and the lack of ventilation. The lack of good access to the engine room can become a much bigger problem in no time. Just imagine you break a screw in an area that you can barely reach. The rest looks pretty good. Assumed that you guys will stay in warm areas I would not underestimate the "needed" cockpit size with two kids. Even the most avid sailor is still more on anchor than underway. Probably even more so if sailing with kids. Good luck with your search.
I don’t like it, the engine location is very tight, the bed is very small, the sink location is strange. And how about the washing and dryer machines?!
The galley location is perfect on this boat. It’s the smoothest riding area in the boat and having the sink on the ceterline eliminates the problem of the sink drain being below the waterline and allowing seawater to enter the boat when healed.
Slightly bigger boats can fit a washing machine. The canoe stern makes this boat more like a 37 footer with the canoe stern adding on three feet. The lack of storage both below and from the deck would make this an extra challenge for a family.
That engine access, or rather lack thereof, would be a huge issue for me. Having run diesel motors for 20yrs, I don't care how reliable they are you're still going to be working on them. I think even more than that though, the lack of hull access with that liner would make me extremely uncomfortable. 50k is a huge difference in price though. Tough choice.
The hull liner issue was a concern initially for me before I bought my PS 37, but not now. They were very clever to make systems and tanks accessible. The stiffness that results is like a tank!
The decision for me is easy. Yes the PS40 may have a few shortcomings but when talking about raising your babies onboard you owe it to them, who have no choice in the matter, to purchase the safest boat that is capable of serving most of your personal wants and needs. Safety first, everything else is secondary. So it won’t make 8 knots when you’re close hauled. But you’ll always know with relative certainty that you will get there.
You could register the Seattle Boat in Oregon and avoid the sales tax. These boats are OK, but the designs are basically 40 years old. I think too you should be looking at boats in the 45-50 range. The boats you are looking at are small for their size. You can find a similar small 47 that would fit Jordon better and have better liveaboard cruising space. We have been living aboard for 10 years and have covered 35K sea miles. The boats you are looking at can do that, but you will be more comfortable and make faster passages on a bigger boat.
@@johnbrooks1188 True, but they are looking at boats with a near quarter million dollar price tag. There are a lot of boats in the 45-50' size in that price range. My wife and I are 68 years old and have sailed a 49 footer tens of thousands of sea miles. It is technique and gear that helps you manage your boat. We have a good friend, a women who is also 68 yo and is on her second single handed circumnavigation on a 53' ketch. So I don't really buy the you can't handle it argument. The average cruising boat is now 50' whereas 30 years ago it was 40'. Gear has made the difference. We see a lot more boats out there over 50' than under 40'. Roller (or power) furling and electric winches are now pretty common. Perhaps you can't afford or handle a 50' boat, but I don't think that is the case for Jordon and Des.
RAN is a Najad 440 and Delos is an Amel Super Maramu 48. To me it looks that you want a larger boat, which means good access on motor, large double berths, spacious cockpit, enough storage for food etc.
I would think that the Amel 53 is too big for a couple to handle easily. Delos crew is very experienced and can deal but if anything happens to Brian it would be hard for her to singlehand a boat that size especially if the electric winches go out.
All of them are beautiful strong an well thought boats , I just don't fail for so call ,,classic" double ender , and for that amount of money , respectfully , You can have Amell , and by my opinion French design's are better tough's trough in 95% cases ..... If You want family , You will miss the space that canoe ends deprive You, there is reason why they aren't around that much anymore.
There was a 1988 Amel Maramu for sale in Seattle for $139K - off the market now but perhaps the owners are still interested in selling. It’s a 48’ centre cockpit ketch with oodles of room. A boat like this would be perfect for a family of four.
I think you have found that an engine acts up at the worst times. The engine access on the Pacific Seacraft 40 is terrible. There is little to no sound insulation either. You also won't like maintaining varnish on deck. It looks nice but that's it . In the tropics varnish kicks too fast when applying it. (unless you add a ton of thinner) then you have to apply a lot of coats and also hope it doesn't rain on all your fine work. Stay away from boats with varnished wood on deck. With that said , the Valiant 42 has the storage on board and no wood on deck .It has way better access to the engine. It has a generator too. The cockpit is a bluewater style that also has some party room. I think the Valiant 42 is the pick from the boats you have looked at so far . I do suggest that you take another rational look at boats in the 44 to 46ish size . You need the room. Remember the saying "buy your last boat first". I know this because I didn't. Best of luck boat hunting. I enjoy your TH-cam channel. Cheers y'all
I see lots of regrets here... Tiny cockpit for a family in the steamy equatorial region! Low boom over the cockpit. Bed too small for Jordan. LOTS of woodwork to deal with! Difficult access during a breakdown! Lots of better option IMHO.
When the mainsail is up the boom will be a LOT higher. You are judging based on how it is packed away for winter not as it would be while sailing with all the rigging installed.
All the great "name dropping" of who you will be talking to by Des brings me back to your humble beginnings. You knew little about boat ownership and the true sailing community. Because of the quality of people you are you now have so many folks that truly have your best interest at heart and want to see you do well and make a great choice. Congrats you two just genuinely a great couple who are going to make a great Mom and Dad.
@@davidmorton6211 An Amel 54 would be glorious for these two but they are money, even the older Super Marmu 2000 like Delos is still a pricey boat, but an amazing one to boot
@@fk8marko774 True, Also, someone mentioned that Delos would be a bit to much boat for Desire and/or to sail by Themselves. Perhaps that is why they always had new crew members along for the journey.
A good cabinetmaker should be able to design, build, and install side panels for engine access. 500 to 1000 dollars. I don't think that is a DIY project, but maybe so.
There's not much room on the foredeck for a dinghy... At least not on my neighbor's PS40... He had to custom make a tiny fiberglass RIB. Consider davits and a place for solar panels and a wind generator. Damn, that sounds like a lot of WORK!
As a parent I think you would be struggling with 2 cabins with 2 kids for 10 years. 1 kid fine. 2 kids no more than 5 years....trust me you will all go insane!
V-birth space, engine access, and wood trim. Everything else seems pretty ideal. My question is, does the Valiant offer $50k more value for overcoming those 3 dings on the PS? When my knuckles are bloody from the 5th failed attempt to turn a bolt I can't see, $50k seems a small price to pay! LOL
I think the decision is straight forward. I watched both clips and at the end of the day the differences between the two boats wash out. Yes, you love both, but the serious question is this, with two almost similar boats, what could you do with $50,000? That is A LOT of money. The Seacraft is a sailaway boat, but you could take $50,000 and put it to alterations that make it a perfect boat. With the valiant you take away that $50,000 and now have to still spend money. Don't forget that you'll still be buying things for either boat that won't come over from Atticus. If it was me, I'd buy the Seacraft in a heart beat, pocket the difference saved and let's keep in mind that either you need to haul the Valiant across the country, hire a delivery captain to take it somewhere or start your adventures from Seattle. With the Seacraft, you can plop it in the water, get her shipshape to sail and have her in FL within two weeks of leaving CN. After that it's back down to Panama and back to the adventure. Either way I look forward to the sailing part of the videos again. Fair winds.
Why didn't they take the cover off for you? Not every day you get to see your listing on a TH-cam channel with 200+K subscribers. I would have detailed and waxed that baby too!!!
KEEP looking for a little bigger boat. is a seacraft 44 for sale in N.J. I THINK YOU PICKED OUT TOO SMALL A BOAT. You seem locked in, not opened to looking at other boats, I think for the money you plan on spending you can do better. Both boats are absolutely beautiful and I would take either one, but I'm just one person. Although I do not like the unprotected prop on the valiant!!
I agree, these people are dreaming, either one of these is a nice boat for two people but for a family I think it's going to get real crowded. the cockpit should be bigger if you're going to be live aboard. I think you spend more time in the cockpit at anchor then you do sailing.
Really though- great boat!!!!!!!!!! Especially for the money/tax difference...?.....Buy it before someone snatches it up.....Can't wait. I know you cant either....People are buying boats like crazy now partially because of the pandemic. Sold my 44' last sept.
Lots of wood to maintain. Poor engine access. Would be a tough compromise for what you really wanted in a boat. It would make a great boat for people that don't do their own work.
You're going to love that Yanmar, super reliable easy to source parts and wow its got a super clean engine compartment. I'm thinking it has had little to no serious repairs at this point just regular maintenance.
These have been one of my favorite boats, by one of my favorite designers, since it came out. That said, you really need to check out the CC version of the Tayana 42. Much more liveable than the AC version you saw. Barring that, the PS 40 would be my pick of those you've seen. Good luck! ! ✌️❤️⛵☀️
You cannot go wrong with Pacific Seacraft, their reputation is legendary. I think this boat is a perfect size for you and a growing family. The small cockpit may seem confining, but after a few crossings, not so much so. You have done your homework and I think you found your boat. Good luck and God Speed.
G'day Desiree & Jordan, firstly, your broker, Bernie Jakits, should read nursery rhymes to children or make audio books ~ his voice is cathartic, it puts me to sleep. Hey BUDS, this PS40 appears like it was NOT sailed hard at all, which is great and the build quality is truly incredible. The asking price should definitely be negotiable. There should be some wiggle room. However, considering the boat's condition, I see why the asking price is $229K. Did the boat recently undergo a refit or restoration? It's definitely in immaculate condition from what little I can see. Maybe the boat just sailed weekends and wasn't unleashed on bluewater passages? PS 40's are definitely bluewater cruisers, designed and built to tackle the open-ocean and do it comfortably! I certainly see them cruising just about everywhere. FYI Jordan: I've worked on Pacific Seacraft boats on several occasions at my boat-yards here in Australia. I mostly worked on PS 37's; 40's; and 44's ~ I can honestly tell you, although you already figured it out, any engine work that's needed, is usually a giant pain in the arse, mate! You have LITTLE to ZERO room to work with. You have ZERO to NO leverage in most areas, making it difficult to remove specific parts. Also, it's inevitable, your knuckles will require constant bandages to stop the bleeding. Good luck on deciding your next boat! Cheers from Margaret River, Western OZ 🇦🇺.
I really like this boat! Love the deck features and the raised areas for everything to help eliminate leaks. I think there must be a way to work around the engine better. The protected prop is awesome and very important to me. Bigger engine is better with available parts is a must. Original owner!! I’ll buy it if you don’t 😉! Wow, I can’t wait for the next video.
If you were going to have friends or invites on board occasionally. Then 40-45 is fine. But 2 adults & kids (2+) & all the related stuff. What is Delos 53' x 15' ? Yes, Space is Length x Width. Le Vagabonde have 1 child, Lenny and another on the way. Guess what they are buying? Yes, Another boat. I predict you will be back a couple of years later. NEEDING a bigger boat. "Please help our growing family get a bigger boat !" A "V" berth is big enough if it fits "one wide & two deep...."
Your boat reviews have been really interesting and informative. Valiant 42 for my money is the boat of choice its faster, the overall finish is beautiful and will result in lower / easier maintenance. Lines will eventually wrap around any propeller installation but the advantage of an exposed prop is that it will take less time to cut them free. Good luck with your search.
Love your videos! We lived aboard our Valiant 39 (they only built 7 [?] of them) for many years. It was an amazing boat to sail - the motion was outstandingly comfortable. I loved everything about that boat - everything. I've also owned Pacific Seacraft boats (I owned 2 Flickas!), plus I went to the factory when it was in California many times and worked for a PSC broker. They are extremely well built as well. I've sailed the Dana 24 and the Crealock/PSC 40 and they both are fantastic sailing boats. The only thing that was "not my favorite thing" on the PSC boats is all the wood on the exterior (toe rail, cap rail, hand rails) - when we got the Valiant we were SOOOOO happy to not have to varnish every few months LOL! Good luck in your search. The Valiant and the PSC are both excellent, fantastic boats!!
Engine access will make you regret buying this boat especially when you are 500 miles offshore. Think really hard about that, this is the most critical part of the boat and needs good access, a deal killer for me. That vberth bed is also a deal killer but you could easily enlarge the bed in there with a little work. Maintenance on this boat is a nightmare.
I agree Walter- miserable access to the engine! There must be a way to cut out an access panel on at least one side of the engine and another access panel in the bottom of the quarterberth so you could roll back the mattress, lift out the berth panel, then open the access panel - and be able to reach the starboard side of the engine. But what about the port side?
500 Miles offshore your sails best be in better shape than your engine!! But that is a crowded little space for the engine. You could probably put in some panels to access it better.
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@@dannydonnelly8345 agreed. engine is definitely not the most critical part of the boat. i'd say that award goes to the keel.
Actually engine access is not as bad as it appears. I'm 6'2" and I can get inside (below cockpit) and work on engine/transmission/tiller/autopilot/shaft. Although it would be easier if you are 5' tall. I have a small access on starboard side but never use it. For sure working on starter will require removing alternator. Changing impeller is also annoying since it faces back but that is a "feature" of the Yanmar 4JH2. In my opinion access to engine is not as bad as in other 40-feet sailboat. Bigger sailboats have better engine access.
The poor engine access for me is a pass fail and this fails. An Achilles heel. I’m surprised you haven’t looked at more center cockpit aft cabin boats like the Bristol 41.1/43.3/45.5. Much better for giving kids their private space. 2 kids won’t want to share a double. The aft cabin gives you adult privacy with a private head with shower while the forward V berth has 2 berths and its own head. They are older but priced accordingly. You would have significant dollars to upgrade. After 10 yrs, any boat is just a function of maintenance and continual replacements of failed pumps, batteries, instruments. Buy older and replace systems so they are brand spanking new. My 2 cents. Talk with George Eberhard, Bernie’s colleague at David Walters. He was my broker for the sale of Blue Note.
The fact that the boat has been really well taken care of, you’re almost getting a new boat means a lot and for 50 k less, and a Yanmarr engine, no brainer!
The amount of woodwork on the PS40 seems nicely manageable. Even nearly ideal. A non-pretty but woodwork-less finish lacks being able to develop a deep attraction which inspires its owners. My wife lived for 2+ years on a Tayana 37 and she was somewhat overburdened by the workload of keeping it looking really nice. Ideally, it would have had about 30% less wood finishes for maintenance. Which is just about what the PS 40 has.
I do not fully understand your pick of heavy displacement boats. Of course they are very seaworthy, not in the least the double enders. But, statistics say that at least half the time of blue water cruisers is spent at anchor or docked. That makes a comfortable, spacious cockpit a must. Another fact is that the majority of blue water boats fall into the category light to medium displacement boat. I guess you could buy such a used boat comparable in size from e.g. good quality European yards like Najad, Hallberg-Rassy and others for 75% of the price of the boats you have explored. Those boats are fast, go close to the wind, offer lots of space and creature comfort and can easily be upgraded with solar panels, etc. (see Mika Karls remark below). Just look at Jeanne Socrates and her Najad 380 to understand the quality of such boats.
As a many decade live-aboard on a Valiant 40, I'd suggest a center cockpit, at least 42 foot length. I love my Valiant, but need onshore storage for tools, parts, stores. Can you go bigger?
Hi. Great work!! As a rule , when faced with a choice of what you want and what you can afford, get what you want. Amortized over a 10 year period., the difference is not substantial. When you get what you want, that means less upgrading. Your site is wonderful and I suspect it will grow in popularity resulting in more income. The valiant resale value is amazing and built like a tank. Good luck. With you every step!!!!
This seems like a really great boat. However, the Valiant 42 still speaks to me. If I were looking to raise a couple of kids on a boat, the 42 Pullman, despite the smaller living quarters, seems like it would offer the most flexibility. The sail storage in the bow could even be converted to a small bedroom nook for a kid. Thinking back to my childhood, I would have gotten a real kick out of having a bedroom nook like that. Best of luck weighing the options and deciding which boat is best for you! Looking forward to next week’s episode.
Beautiful boat but they don't offer much for the price. I really don't like the canoe stern, small cockpit and sections. I don't understand why you restrict your search only to this kind of boats. For the same money or less you can have an Amel Super Maramu, a Najad 44, Oysters or others. Try to expand your search and using your very intelligent and rational analysis you'll be surprised when reviewing other boats. Great videos!
If I had to choose this boat, I would enlarge the bed in the bow cabin. And perhaps put a wind scoop (like those metal ones near the mast) in the forward cabin, otherwise I think it will be too warm in the South Pacific. I don't like the small cockpit. You will be spending most of your time there. Are you sure you can't find something like the RAN boat? That would be perfect.
RAN ll isn't nearly as pretty as this boat. Also they had to get a new mast and new rigging for it. So they poured a LOT of money into it. It wasn't turn key like this boat is.
Thank you for sharing with us all of your experiences in shopping for a new-to-you boat. However, I keep thinking that you are not being very realistic in how much more room you will need once you begin having children. I would think, "hmmmm, we may need more space" when you're looking at what's in front of you. Best wishes! Les deseo lo mejor!
Geeze you guys should look at Amels, super Maramu, Maramu, Santorin or Mango. Far superior vessels for the price range you are in and 46 - 53 foot. The super Maramu is probably out of your range but you might find one. Don’t limit your search to the USA.
Of the two available boats, I looked up both, the Valiant wins hands down. It is almost cruise ready. The engine compartment is my greatest worry, if you lost sail power, this is your propulsion. If it has any kind of issue you must be able to get to it and work on it. I am 6'2" I get it, I have had to work on our engine while at sea, a rolling pitching boat would make that task on the PS40 one of the hardest I've ever seen. I prefer the Valiant's layout, and storage, I personally preferred the Pullman version, adding a hatch is not that hard considering your skills with fiberglass to get ventilation in the pullman berth. But the one in Seattle is as nice, and that portion of the layout is purely personal to the couple.The boat has many of the items spoken about, roller furling of both headsails, much of the rigging and sail's have been replaced. You likely would want to build that aft Bimini (structure) like the boat you toured, and add the solar you need. I don't have your purse strings, but my vote goes the the Valiant.... But behind you regardless of your pick! Awaiting your decision.
I gotta say ya'll's boat choices seem strange to me. This is right in the price range of Amel super maramu's, all over europe. Legit separate living areas, room for kids and guests, serviceable engines etc etc. 10' longer to maintain, but definitely more of a family friendly layout. The Valiant price puts you into Oyster 45, 55 territory. There's even a Deerfoot 62 in your price range... so why are you looking at ll these tiny cramped canoes?
Wow a very nice clean well maintained boat. That engine bay and the little Yanmar are spotless. Tough call I think I like your previous choice myself? The 1/4 berth would not work well for my "significant other". Hates feet anywhere near her, LOL. Not sure what to say other then you definitely have it narrowed down nicely. Hmm, because I want to give you an opinion the Valiant 42 would be my choice. Little more room it seemed and a lot more storage in the main berth.
Luv the series! Like both models but $50K is a large amount to consider. Further you should think which will have a better resale value because I predict that when you have kids you will be selling. Either boat will not provide enough space for young ones. They will need much more room to walk / run / play! Should look at a cat.
I really like this series on buying the next boat. You have undertaken the deliberate and thoughtful step of considering long range benefits, a good ranking method, and insightful commentary that differentiates your brand among your peers on FB.
Hi Guys, Great review of the Pacific Seacraft 40. This is a beautiful and very well maintained boat. Great to hear that you will be talking to Delos. Everything they might have to say about the Amel Super Maramu will also be mostly relevant to the Amel Santorin. Last week you responded to me (which was taken as an honor, thank you) saying that you think the Amel is too expensive. I do believe you can find a Santorin within your budget and without many of the compromises that each of the boats you have looked at so far. I am hanging in suspense here waiting to finally discover what you will decide - pacing the waiting room in the maternity hospital comes to mind. Thanks again for your insights and stay safe. Cheers, Niall
Between you and Ruby Rose, as experienced sailors, your evaluations of boats should inform boat builders/architects as to what’s important. As amazing as the Pacific Seacraft is, they could have made the shower and overall head a few inches shorter to accommodate the engine space. I think the lack of access to the engine is not just going to get super frustrating, it could also be dangerous when underway if you can’t quickly reach problem areas.
Trust me, you use the head many times each day, and except for checking oil level and changing engine oil every 200 engine hours, easily changed fuel filters, we only are in the engine compartment a few times a year. Routine engine maintenance goes a long way to preventing problems offshore when you are sailing. Remember offshore you only have fuel for about 100 hours of engine run time. Stuff happens but there is enough access to deal with it.
You will still have to spend another 50 Grand on the sea craft to get it up to snuff. It's missing the dinghy davits, wind vane, radar and the Watermaker. If you can get the boat for 190 or even 195, I think it's great for two people. if you plan on having children I suggest a bigger boat. 200 Grand will get you a beautiful boat. you should not have to spend more than that for either one of these.
Get the Leopard 40 / 43 or a Lagoon40 / 420 for 200k put 50k into it and forget these ridiculous overpriced monohulls. Once you are on that cat you won't get off, just go look at one and spend a few hours on it and see what you think, I know every type of boat has it's pros & cons.
I'm a great believer in value for money. Both the Valiant 42 and the Pacific Seacraft 40 have many pros and a few cons. But the price differential is substantial. So I'd have no hesitation from what I've seen in going for the Valiant 42 out of these two boats.
If it's the boat that I've seen on yacht world its a beauty and no question about its sailing ability, although you didn't mention bow thrusters, which it'll need for close handling with that hull consideration. You don't show in the video but I'm sure it's the same boat and It's got a nasty green hull with its name painted across half the hull on boat sides. That's going to be a faff to change. I also thought the bed in the v-berth looked small. Lots of wasred space in that forward cabin. You keep saying family of 4 and I don't see it. 3 for sure, 3 and a baby but 2 adults and 2 kids?
"trow in the kids and know they be oke" 🤣 Those cushions must be really soft ! I actually love this boat lay out. But at the end of the day it is really a hard decision .
LOL I also thought that was a funny comment by Jordan! But I must say, there are many places you could throw the kids into on this boat. That little closet in the head would be perfect! lol
Every time on every boat you look at you point out drawbacks certainly this is correct any design is a result of compromise Elon Musk is designing StarShip and spending hundreds of millions of dollars on it and he still has to make compromises. Except and again on every boat what you point out as less than ideal does not apply to cats. For this one for example Small cockpit, teak decking requiring maintenance need for an office hell you can convert an entire bedroom into an office and still have 2 bedrooms left over for little ones of guests. Hell as you know many TH-camrs make money on an occasional charter for their subs. Storage well a cat has 2 hulls and 2 engines increasing safety. Bed sizes well they have 4 and normally larger then the ones on any boat you have shown. Engine access on the whole better on a cat and if you cant fix it well you can still motor. Lack of storage space well again 2 hulls. So what are the disadvantages of a cat? Well increased docking fees sure except you both spend the majority of the time on the hook. Increased Haul out certainly once a year It will cost you a few hundred more except you have an extra revenue stream if for example you charter just for a month that is thousands. Plus you can easily have both sets of parents aboard even if you convert a bedroom to an office/workshop. I can certainly understand your reluctance to consider a cat when you had a much lower budget except now you could definitely find many even those from the big 3 Leopard/Lagoon/FP less than 20 years old in good condition for the same price. Certainly they would not be in as great a condition as the boats you have looked at. These are all in tip top shape with the latest bells and whistles. Even so every boat you looked at will still require tens of thousands to convert into a long term live aboard Blue water cruiser. There is still of course saleability you cannot sail a cat as close to the wind except if they are fitted with dagger boards of which there are many designs to choose from. I have watched most of your blogs maybe all and possibly I missed it but I never saw you sailing upwind. There are of course many advantages to a cat as opposed to a monohull I think the O kelleys did a great one but no doubt hundreds of others but I will point out just one. You have a shallower draft. Since you live on the hook a lot that means you have shorter trips to the beach safer entrance and places where a monohull just cannot go. Five years ago you were both very brave you spent all your money put years of Labour into a project when you did not even know you liked sailing. Now you are unwilling to make the leap from Monohull to cat even though the disadvantages you point out on every boat you visit simply disappears on a cat. I can think of any YT couples that have made the leap from monohulls to cats and only 1 that has done the reverse and that was both budget and the fact that their cat was very small. It is for certain your money and your choice It is not because I am a fan of cats that I write this. It is the fact that I do want you to have a good and happy life and your reasoning as I can see it is faulty.
All I keep seeing is the way you have to remove the steps to the cockpit to work on the engine, so either everybody else has to stay in the cockpit or below 'cause nobody's relocating while the steps are missing! Also, I didn't see any showing of a battery bank, or solar so where's that all going to fit? I agree with many others who are saying you are looking at boats that are too small! You think you will be doing a ton of sailing, but trust me, with kids you're going to be parked a lot more than you think. The size you are looking at now would probably work for one baby until it's suddenly a toddler and add in another baby while trying to keep the first one happy and out of mischief and you will wish you had more space. Kids are pretty adaptable until they start wanting to explore, then they can turn into demanding little machines. All it takes is for the little one to be ailing with something and you could find yourselves parked for several weeks. There's no room on any of the boats you've looked at to accommodate a washer/dryer, any extra fridge upgrade, you will need to have car seats for traveling around when you are in a port and need to get to a store, so where will you stash those the rest of the time? How about a stroller? Even if you're willing to walk everywhere you'll be wanting a child carrier to wear, and that's only good for so long. Kids need exercise to develop properly, so you will need to accommodate that by spending time ashore since there isn't enough room on a boat this small to allow for it. Your time-table of getting a boat that will work for 10 years with two growing kids is very unrealistic unless you get something larger. There is a reason the large majority of families with more than one child are choosing catamarans! And the addition of catamarans is exactly why there are now more families siling and living aboard. I truly think you are thinking about the safety of your children, but you might need to be thinking a bit more about their happiness and comfort too. Sorry, didn['t mean to write a frickin book, but these thoughts have been bugging me since you first started looking for a new boat!
Full time live aboard is made a lot easier with solar and I don’t see that on either of these boats. Also as far as engine access you could take the difference in $$ over the valiant and convert it to electric (Sailing Uma)that would be much easier to maintain although it would be a huge project. The way you could secure netting around the entire boat (SV Delos)would make it much safer for children. A one owner well maintained boat would win my vote. I’d still jump on a plane and look at the Seattle boat just to confirm the choice.
@@carnivaldk959 Agreed. But in an emergency? I would create access hatches wherever possible, and where most likely to be needed! Doable. Smalls bed are OK so long as they are long enough! Harder to fall from... An extra vent can be created. The smallest boat that serves your need is more affordable and will get more use. Varnish can be painted over with epoxy paint (sad, but problem solved). Yanmar and Kubota derivatives are some of the best engines on the market, with plenty of spares anywhere in the world. Canoes end suck, but they once were the rule for sea going vessels. Newer boats are more expensive, (read unaffordable!). Small cockpit are safer, as long as they are large enough for your needs. Travel over to Europe (or anywhere) has become a logistical nightmare. Shop locally. I think it is a nice boat, very well designed. Worth considering.
love the channel, and the new boat adventure! speaking of delos- why aren't you looking at an Amel? a quick google search shows a bunch in your price range and after watching delos for years it seems like that boat is head and shoulders above any other boat i've ever seen in every aspect. i'm always amazed people would buy anything else. good luck in finding your dream boat!
I think you could buy either to be happy. but I don't think either boat will be a good fit if you are having two children. I'm looking for a boat this size and I'm just one person, certainly you can have more people living on board but it's all about how comfortable you want to be.
I really like the sea craft except for the small cockpit and the crowded engine. It does not look like this boat was ever used for long passages. it doesn't have any solar, windvane or radar. it doesn't have a dingy or Davits to hang it on. there is no water maker. It's a nice boat but I think they're asking too much. Perhaps during your negotiations you can consider the fact you still need to spend another 35 Grand? in extras to complete this boat.
Lovely boat but too small for a family. My feeling is you need a bigger boat. The v-birth is way too small for you two...and babies end up in your bed...looks very easy for someone to fall out. I’d be looking at the closest to 50 as possible.
Very nice boat.
But some drawbacks (in my opinion)
1st, the cockpit is too small for a family of 4 (we can spend a lot of time in the cockpit).
2nd, the master bed seems too small for Jordan (?)
3rd, hard to work on the engine (but it's a good one)
If i had the money, this boat was well taken care of, new instrument's looked like it was a new boat, even the lines :). Yup would be my pick of all the boat you have shown us :)
I agree 👍
And the motor is a nice yanmar
Agreed
No matter, it is still a very old boat.
@@10bbremer Undestrucable try to hit a reef in the dark, with a fin keel and no protected rudder and prop, then you would love this " old " boat, if safety are a concern for you :)
Too small beds. I think you should be in more the 45-50 foot range for a family-sized vessel . The engine compartment is not well designed, which is a real issue in my opinion.
If they are looking at boats listing at $220k+, there are good options in the 45-50 foot range. Everything is a trade off. This is an awesome boat for a couple, but not for a family of four for 15 years. I would not rush to a decision on this.
That Shannon 43 looked good
Have to agree. Bigger is better, and with kids on the way!!! I really keep my eye on that beam size too. What a difference that makes on these ole girls.
Solution to small motor space: Take out the diesel and instal electric.. No fuss, everything easy to reach etc. $12K - $20K.
@@olddotcom They have said its for the next 10 years, so not big kids.
I think the mistake you guys are making is not talking to sailing kids.
Lots of sailing families on TH-cam. Go talk to the kids. Ask them what to look for.
That's are really, really great suggestion!
This specific boat is missing solar panels, solar arch, davits, windvane, radar, watermaker... Be able to spend some more $$$.
Great point...
But that just means you get to buy the latest solar panels radar and water maker which will be better and more efficient than ten year old ones.
and missing generator (no room for one due to short waterline and long overhangs) and cockpit enclosure and pantry ...not outfitted for voyaging...
There is not usually room for a dinghy in davits and a wind vane. We do have friends that had davits and a hydro and, but you only can use one at a time. For passages dinghy should not be in davits, IMHO.
@@minermarcus budget tho......
Hi. I’ve said it before but it warrants mentioning again. I’m a sailor with two kids. If you are buying for the future, Kids need their own space and this boat does not do that. You don’t know what you don’t know and I can only hope you will pick the floor plan that meets a family’s needs. This ain’t it
Amen
@@VvDiverDownvV haven’t owned either but have researched the westerly as they are not uncommon in my neck of the woods. Reputation for being well built from what I have read. They go by many names as the company changed hands a few times. Oceanlord is actually a westerly but I can’t find much info on it. Hope that helps, good luck!
Noted that you have not looked at more boats manufactured in Europe such as Nautors Swan, Hallberg Rassy, Malo, Oysters, Grand Soleil, Alubat etc. Much more choice over here.
Sirius, Bavaria...you are right. European boats are really well designed and made...these two German boats are great!
I’m sure you don’t want to hear this, but one of your sailing You Tube competitors has mentioned several times that European prices are significantly lower.
I brought this up to them too. However, there are the customs and taxes and you also don't easily look at boats in Europe these days. On top, you would also have to invest a month+ to get your new boat (on your first trip) to the Canal, they may run out of time.
I think most of those boats may be above their price range in the size and condition they're looking for.
@@Angeladc79 Please se the comment from Jamas G above
The engine access on this boat is never going to go away, or is there a way of making more access? Could be a deal breaker.
Yeah. I was thinking the same.
And that's a lot of wood to maintain, on the deck and inside.
i was loving this boat till he he got to the engine part, then as a mechanic, i thought now way would i want to work on that, especially in an emergency situation. that overhead hatch for the engine looks almost useless.
There is engine access from the quarter berth on our PS40, but it is small and just gives access to the starboard side of the engine for dipstick, throttle linkage, emergency engine cutoff, and oil pressure transducers. You are spot on about removing the back wall in the below cockpit engine access. That absolutely allows me to fit in there, but I’m not 6’4”. Starter motor replacement is tough, but doable. Fortunately it isn’t required often. Oil change is pretty easy, but can be messy removing the side mount filter. The good news is it is all contained in the gel coated sump so it is easy to clean up. We have 6 AGM group 27 batteries and one starter battery beneath the sole. Really nice for keeping CG low. We also installed a factory made 22 gallon aux fuel tank in that removable locker forward of the galley you spoke of.
Most definitely there would have to be some bulkheads in the engine bay that would need modified.
That V-berth looks small. Really S.M.A.L.L. The Valiant 42 for the win? BTW - this series has been a gift !!! I am not even looking for a boat, but have enjoyed every one of these shows so much. Kudos and thank you.
I thought the same thing.
PS decided that having side entrance was important, so they gave away valuable bed acreage to make egress easier. If I had this boat I would do some remodeling of this area.
On the plus side, PS decided one spacious head is better than 2 cramped ones. I agree with this strategy. Space is precious, why give it away on something as frivilous as being able to use two baths at the same time?
I which ever you choose, you have clearly reached out to the right people if you want sound advice. Good for you, and all the best on your new boat. I think you earned it.
I am getting sweats just looking at the V berth and the lack of ventilation. The lack of good access to the engine room can become a much bigger problem in no time. Just imagine you break a screw in an area that you can barely reach.
The rest looks pretty good.
Assumed that you guys will stay in warm areas I would not underestimate the "needed" cockpit size with two kids. Even the most avid sailor is still more on anchor than underway. Probably even more so if sailing with kids. Good luck with your search.
I don’t like it, the engine location is very tight, the bed is very small, the sink location is strange. And how about the washing and dryer machines?!
The galley location is perfect on this boat. It’s the smoothest riding area in the boat and having the sink on the ceterline eliminates the problem of the sink drain being below the waterline and allowing seawater to enter the boat when healed.
Slightly bigger boats can fit a washing machine. The canoe stern makes this boat more like a 37 footer with the canoe stern adding on three feet. The lack of storage both below and from the deck would make this an extra challenge for a family.
That engine access, or rather lack thereof, would be a huge issue for me. Having run diesel motors for 20yrs, I don't care how reliable they are you're still going to be working on them. I think even more than that though, the lack of hull access with that liner would make me extremely uncomfortable. 50k is a huge difference in price though. Tough choice.
The hull liner issue was a concern initially for me before I bought my PS 37, but not now. They were very clever to make systems and tanks accessible. The stiffness that results is like a tank!
Geez i don't like that engine bay, I reckon that would be a continual pain
As an owner, it’s not nearly as bad as people are making it out.
Brilliant boat for a couple, but for kids, it is WAY too small. Once you have 2 smallies you will need to sell up & buy bigger - guaranteed.
The decision for me is easy. Yes the PS40 may have a few shortcomings but when talking about raising your babies onboard you owe it to them, who have no choice in the matter, to purchase the safest boat that is capable of serving most of your personal wants and needs. Safety first, everything else is secondary. So it won’t make 8 knots when you’re close hauled. But you’ll always know with relative certainty that you will get there.
A great little mini series, clearly shows that every boat is a compromise!
Who’s here again after the announcement
Yep !
Me too. Wanted another look. Great decision !!
Me too😃
I'm so happy for them. Perfect choice!
Yup
You could register the Seattle Boat in Oregon and avoid the sales tax. These boats are OK, but the designs are basically 40 years old. I think too you should be looking at boats in the 45-50 range. The boats you are looking at are small for their size. You can find a similar small 47 that would fit Jordon better and have better liveaboard cruising space. We have been living aboard for 10 years and have covered 35K sea miles. The boats you are looking at can do that, but you will be more comfortable and make faster passages on a bigger boat.
Not everybody can handle or afford boats in the 45-50 range.
@@johnbrooks1188 True, but they are looking at boats with a near quarter million dollar price tag. There are a lot of boats in the 45-50' size in that price range. My wife and I are 68 years old and have sailed a 49 footer tens of thousands of sea miles. It is technique and gear that helps you manage your boat. We have a good friend, a women who is also 68 yo and is on her second single handed circumnavigation on a 53' ketch. So I don't really buy the you can't handle it argument. The average cruising boat is now 50' whereas 30 years ago it was 40'. Gear has made the difference. We see a lot more boats out there over 50' than under 40'. Roller (or power) furling and electric winches are now pretty common. Perhaps you can't afford or handle a 50' boat, but I don't think that is the case for Jordon and Des.
RAN is a Najad 440 and Delos is an Amel Super Maramu 48. To me it looks that you want a larger boat, which means good access on motor, large double berths, spacious cockpit, enough storage for food etc.
I would think that the Amel 53 is too big for a couple to handle easily. Delos crew is very experienced and can deal but if anything happens to Brian it would be hard for her to singlehand a boat that size especially if the electric winches go out.
I think you need more emphasis on the following
Water maker
Solar panels
Room for batteries
Washing machine
All of them are beautiful strong an well thought boats , I just don't fail for so call ,,classic" double ender , and for that amount of money , respectfully , You can have Amell , and by my opinion French design's are better tough's trough in 95% cases ..... If You want family , You will miss the space that canoe ends deprive You, there is reason why they aren't around that much anymore.
I agree. They should be looking at Amel Santorin or Amel Mango.
I've been asking myself throughout this series why they aren't looking at an Amel if they're spending a quarter million bucks anyway.
There was a 1988 Amel Maramu for sale in Seattle for $139K - off the market now but perhaps the owners are still interested in selling. It’s a 48’ centre cockpit ketch with oodles of room. A boat like this would be perfect for a family of four.
@@tonydebruyne257 😱😭
I think you have found that an engine acts up at the worst times. The engine access on the Pacific Seacraft 40 is terrible. There is little to no sound insulation either. You also won't like maintaining varnish on deck. It looks nice but that's it . In the tropics varnish kicks too fast when applying it. (unless you add a ton of thinner) then you have to apply a lot of coats and also hope it doesn't rain on all your fine work. Stay away from boats with varnished wood on deck. With that said , the Valiant 42 has the storage on board and no wood on deck .It has way better access to the engine. It has a generator too. The cockpit is a bluewater style that also has some party room. I think the Valiant 42 is the pick from the boats you have looked at so far . I do suggest that you take another rational look at boats in the 44 to 46ish size . You need the room. Remember the saying "buy your last boat first". I know this because I didn't. Best of luck boat hunting. I enjoy your TH-cam channel. Cheers y'all
Yanmar is a great reliable engine. To bad the engine compartment sucks.
If I'm about to throw 200k+ and nobody takes out the cover so I can see EVERY scratch I just walk away...period...
That’s what the survey is for...
I see lots of regrets here... Tiny cockpit for a family in the steamy equatorial region! Low boom over the cockpit. Bed too small for Jordan. LOTS of woodwork to deal with! Difficult access during a breakdown! Lots of better option IMHO.
When the mainsail is up the boom will be a LOT higher. You are judging based on how it is packed away for winter not as it would be while sailing with all the rigging installed.
All the great "name dropping" of who you will be talking to by Des brings me back to your humble beginnings. You knew little about boat ownership and the true sailing community. Because of the quality of people you are you now have so many folks that truly have your best interest at heart and want to see you do well and make a great choice. Congrats you two just genuinely a great couple who are going to make a great Mom and Dad.
Agreed. The two channels I follow are SV Delos and this. I think a boat like Delos is exactly what they need.
@@davidmorton6211 An Amel 54 would be glorious for these two but they are money, even the older Super Marmu 2000 like Delos is still a pricey boat, but an amazing one to boot
@@fk8marko774 True, Also, someone mentioned that Delos would be a bit to much boat for Desire and/or to sail by Themselves. Perhaps that is why they always had new crew members along for the journey.
I’d take the PS40 for $50k less and head for warmer waters
A good cabinetmaker should be able to design, build, and install side panels for engine access. 500 to 1000 dollars. I don't think that is a DIY project, but maybe so.
Friend of mine did that modification to his PS 40.
Loads of access to the engine now.
There's not much room on the foredeck for a dinghy... At least not on my neighbor's PS40... He had to custom make a tiny fiberglass RIB. Consider davits and a place for solar panels and a wind generator. Damn, that sounds like a lot of WORK!
Valiant had my vote til the 50k thing.
You would save money by not having to go through the panama canal
@@WilliamsMapleFarm What does that cost a vessel like the valiant 42
@@jeffroberts1834 About to do it next year. The old theory was around $2,000 but heard that prices climbed in 2020.
As a parent I think you would be struggling with 2 cabins with 2 kids for 10 years. 1 kid fine. 2 kids no more than 5 years....trust me you will all go insane!
Yep, precisely
V-birth space, engine access, and wood trim. Everything else seems pretty ideal. My question is, does the Valiant offer $50k more value for overcoming those 3 dings on the PS? When my knuckles are bloody from the 5th failed attempt to turn a bolt I can't see, $50k seems a small price to pay! LOL
I think the decision is straight forward. I watched both clips and at the end of the day the differences between the two boats wash out. Yes, you love both, but the serious question is this, with two almost similar boats, what could you do with $50,000? That is A LOT of money. The Seacraft is a sailaway boat, but you could take $50,000 and put it to alterations that make it a perfect boat. With the valiant you take away that $50,000 and now have to still spend money. Don't forget that you'll still be buying things for either boat that won't come over from Atticus.
If it was me, I'd buy the Seacraft in a heart beat, pocket the difference saved and let's keep in mind that either you need to haul the Valiant across the country, hire a delivery captain to take it somewhere or start your adventures from Seattle. With the Seacraft, you can plop it in the water, get her shipshape to sail and have her in FL within two weeks of leaving CN. After that it's back down to Panama and back to the adventure.
Either way I look forward to the sailing part of the videos again. Fair winds.
Ha ha me too! Best wishes from Australia! 👍🏼
I really love this boat 😍
Yep I do think this is the one ! 👍🏼😀👍🏼
Mr. Bells same here ,, hows it going down there mate ? hope all is good..
@@waynefederico9396 mrs bells lol pretty good yourself?
@@cappyjpadgett definitely agree about the engine room
1996 Island Packet 45 (Pleiades) for sale $189,000
Water maker
Air conditioning
Great boat
slow boat to China
Why didn't they take the cover off for you? Not every day you get to see your listing on a TH-cam channel with 200+K subscribers. I would have detailed and waxed that baby too!!!
KEEP looking for a little bigger boat. is a seacraft 44 for sale in N.J. I THINK YOU PICKED OUT TOO SMALL A BOAT. You seem locked in, not opened to looking at other boats, I think for the money you plan on spending you can do better. Both boats are absolutely beautiful and I would take either one, but I'm just one person. Although I do not like the unprotected prop on the valiant!!
I agree, these people are dreaming, either one of these is a nice boat for two people but for a family I think it's going to get real crowded. the cockpit should be bigger if you're going to be live aboard. I think you spend more time in the cockpit at anchor then you do sailing.
Ahhh man we gotta wait another week! You guys are killing us here!!!!!!!!
Really though- great boat!!!!!!!!!! Especially for the money/tax difference...?.....Buy it before someone snatches it up.....Can't wait. I know you cant either....People are buying boats like crazy now partially because of the pandemic. Sold my 44' last sept.
If Bruce and Johnson’s did the maintenance on the boat it was well taken care of. Good luck!
I have enjoyed "going along" and boat shopping with you guys!
Lots of wood to maintain. Poor engine access. Would be a tough compromise for what you really wanted in a boat. It would make a great boat for people that don't do their own work.
You're going to love that Yanmar, super reliable easy to source parts and wow its got a super clean engine compartment. I'm thinking it has had little to no serious repairs at this point just regular maintenance.
These have been one of my favorite boats, by one of my favorite designers, since it came out.
That said, you really need to check out the CC version of the Tayana 42. Much more liveable than the AC version you saw. Barring that, the PS 40 would be my pick of those you've seen. Good luck! ! ✌️❤️⛵☀️
Why havent you looked at any center cockpit boats. Most have big aft cabins and lots of livability like the Delos Amel.
We love our Hylas 44!!
@@nathanbrisson8515 good thing their a couple. Plus not entirely true. Delos singlehands when night crossing.
@@StreetTruckinTitan They cost so much.
A center cockpit like Ran sailing. Room for the child while sailing.
They should look at a Hallberg Rassy, Najad or even Malö.
That engine room would be a nightmare.
Time to go electric
You cannot go wrong with Pacific Seacraft, their reputation is legendary. I think this boat is a perfect size for you and a growing family. The small cockpit may seem confining, but after a few crossings, not so much so. You have done your homework and I think you found your boat. Good luck and God Speed.
G'day Desiree & Jordan, firstly, your broker, Bernie Jakits, should read nursery rhymes to children or make audio books ~ his voice is cathartic, it puts me to sleep. Hey BUDS, this PS40 appears like it was NOT sailed hard at all, which is great and the build quality is truly incredible. The asking price should definitely be negotiable. There should be some wiggle room. However, considering the boat's condition, I see why the asking price is $229K. Did the boat recently undergo a refit or restoration? It's definitely in immaculate condition from what little I can see. Maybe the boat just sailed weekends and wasn't unleashed on bluewater passages? PS 40's are definitely bluewater cruisers, designed and built to tackle the open-ocean and do it comfortably! I certainly see them cruising just about everywhere. FYI Jordan: I've worked on Pacific Seacraft boats on several occasions at my boat-yards here in Australia. I mostly worked on PS 37's; 40's; and 44's ~ I can honestly tell you, although you already figured it out, any engine work that's needed, is usually a giant pain in the arse, mate! You have LITTLE to ZERO room to work with. You have ZERO to NO leverage in most areas, making it difficult to remove specific parts. Also, it's inevitable, your knuckles will require constant bandages to stop the bleeding. Good luck on deciding your next boat! Cheers from Margaret River, Western OZ 🇦🇺.
I really like this boat! Love the deck features and the raised areas for everything to help eliminate leaks. I think there must be a way to work around the engine better. The protected prop is awesome and very important to me. Bigger engine is better with available parts is a must. Original owner!! I’ll buy it if you don’t 😉! Wow, I can’t wait for the next video.
If you were going to have friends or invites on board occasionally. Then 40-45 is fine. But 2 adults & kids (2+) & all the related stuff. What is Delos 53' x 15' ? Yes, Space is Length x Width. Le Vagabonde have 1 child, Lenny and another on the way. Guess what they are buying? Yes, Another boat. I predict you will be back a couple of years later. NEEDING a bigger boat. "Please help our growing family get a bigger boat !" A "V" berth is big enough if it fits "one wide & two deep...."
Your boat reviews have been really interesting and informative. Valiant 42 for my money is the boat of choice its faster, the overall finish is beautiful and will result in lower / easier maintenance. Lines will eventually wrap around any propeller installation but the advantage of an exposed prop is that it will take less time to cut them free. Good luck with your search.
Love your videos! We lived aboard our Valiant 39 (they only built 7 [?] of them) for many years. It was an amazing boat to sail - the motion was outstandingly comfortable. I loved everything about that boat - everything. I've also owned Pacific Seacraft boats (I owned 2 Flickas!), plus I went to the factory when it was in California many times and worked for a PSC broker. They are extremely well built as well. I've sailed the Dana 24 and the Crealock/PSC 40 and they both are fantastic sailing boats. The only thing that was "not my favorite thing" on the PSC boats is all the wood on the exterior (toe rail, cap rail, hand rails) - when we got the Valiant we were SOOOOO happy to not have to varnish every few months LOL! Good luck in your search. The Valiant and the PSC are both excellent, fantastic boats!!
Engine access will make you regret buying this boat especially when you are 500 miles offshore. Think really hard about that, this is the most critical part of the boat and needs good access, a deal killer for me. That vberth bed is also a deal killer but you could easily enlarge the bed in there with a little work. Maintenance on this boat is a nightmare.
I agree Walter- miserable access to the engine! There must be a way to cut out an access panel on at least one side of the engine and another access panel in the bottom of the quarterberth so you could roll back the mattress, lift out the berth panel, then open the access panel - and be able to reach the starboard side of the engine. But what about the port side?
500 Miles offshore your sails best be in better shape than your engine!! But that is a crowded little space for the engine. You could probably put in some panels to access it better.
@@dannydonnelly8345 agreed. engine is definitely not the most critical part of the boat. i'd say that award goes to the keel.
definitely one one of the most important considerations
Actually engine access is not as bad as it appears. I'm 6'2" and I can get inside (below cockpit) and work on engine/transmission/tiller/autopilot/shaft. Although it would be easier if you are 5' tall. I have a small access on starboard side but never use it. For sure working on starter will require removing alternator. Changing impeller is also annoying since it faces back but that is a "feature" of the Yanmar 4JH2. In my opinion access to engine is not as bad as in other 40-feet sailboat. Bigger sailboats have better engine access.
The poor engine access for me is a pass fail and this fails. An Achilles heel. I’m surprised you haven’t looked at more center cockpit aft cabin boats like the Bristol 41.1/43.3/45.5. Much better for giving kids their private space. 2 kids won’t want to share a double. The aft cabin gives you adult privacy with a private head with shower while the forward V berth has 2 berths and its own head. They are older but priced accordingly. You would have significant dollars to upgrade. After 10 yrs, any boat is just a function of maintenance and continual replacements of failed pumps, batteries, instruments. Buy older and replace systems so they are brand spanking new. My 2 cents. Talk with George Eberhard, Bernie’s colleague at David Walters. He was my broker for the sale of Blue Note.
The fact that the boat has been really well taken care of, you’re almost getting a new boat means a lot and for 50 k less, and a Yanmarr engine, no brainer!
The amount of woodwork on the PS40 seems nicely manageable. Even nearly ideal. A non-pretty but woodwork-less finish lacks being able to develop a deep attraction which inspires its owners. My wife lived for 2+ years on a Tayana 37 and she was somewhat overburdened by the workload of keeping it looking really nice. Ideally, it would have had about 30% less wood finishes for maintenance. Which is just about what the PS 40 has.
ahh my favorite youtubers and i too wake up early to see wazzzup. Back to sleep shortly
I do not fully understand your pick of heavy displacement boats. Of course they are very seaworthy, not in the least the double enders. But, statistics say that at least half the time of blue water cruisers is spent at anchor or docked. That makes a comfortable, spacious cockpit a must. Another fact is that the majority of blue water boats fall into the category light to medium displacement boat. I guess you could buy such a used boat comparable in size from e.g. good quality European yards like Najad, Hallberg-Rassy and others for 75% of the price of the boats you have explored. Those boats are fast, go close to the wind, offer lots of space and creature comfort and can easily be upgraded with solar panels, etc. (see Mika Karls remark below). Just look at Jeanne Socrates and her Najad 380 to understand the quality of such boats.
As a many decade live-aboard on a Valiant 40, I'd suggest a center cockpit, at least 42 foot length. I love my Valiant, but need onshore storage for tools, parts, stores. Can you go bigger?
Hi. Great work!! As a rule , when faced with a choice of what you want and what you can afford, get what you want. Amortized over a 10 year period., the difference is not substantial. When you get what you want, that means less upgrading. Your site is wonderful and I suspect it will grow in popularity resulting in more income. The valiant resale value is amazing and built like a tank. Good luck. With you every step!!!!
This seems like a really great boat. However, the Valiant 42 still speaks to me. If I were looking to raise a couple of kids on a boat, the 42 Pullman, despite the smaller living quarters, seems like it would offer the most flexibility. The sail storage in the bow could even be converted to a small bedroom nook for a kid. Thinking back to my childhood, I would have gotten a real kick out of having a bedroom nook like that.
Best of luck weighing the options and deciding which boat is best for you! Looking forward to next week’s episode.
Beautiful boat but they don't offer much for the price. I really don't like the canoe stern, small cockpit and sections.
I don't understand why you restrict your search only to this kind of boats. For the same money or less you can have an Amel Super Maramu, a Najad 44, Oysters or others. Try to expand your search and using your very intelligent and rational analysis you'll be surprised when reviewing other boats.
Great videos!
If I had to choose this boat, I would enlarge the bed in the bow cabin. And perhaps put a wind scoop (like those metal ones near the mast) in the forward cabin, otherwise I think it will be too warm in the South Pacific.
I don't like the small cockpit. You will be spending most of your time there. Are you sure you can't find something like the RAN boat? That would be perfect.
RAN ll isn't nearly as pretty as this boat. Also they had to get a new mast and new rigging for it. So they poured a LOT of money into it. It wasn't turn key like this boat is.
Thank you for sharing with us all of your experiences in shopping for a new-to-you boat. However, I keep thinking that you are not being very realistic in how much more room you will need once you begin having children. I would think, "hmmmm, we may need more space" when you're looking at what's in front of you. Best wishes! Les deseo lo mejor!
The question as always is: What are you willing to compromise on? Never seen a 100% perfect boat, just different degrees of beautiful ones
Geeze you guys should look at Amels, super Maramu, Maramu, Santorin or Mango. Far superior vessels for the price range you are in and 46 - 53 foot. The super Maramu is probably out of your range but you might find one. Don’t limit your search to the USA.
Best boat by far out of the ones you've looked at. 👍🏻
Of the two available boats, I looked up both, the Valiant wins hands down. It is almost cruise ready. The engine compartment is my greatest worry, if you lost sail power, this is your propulsion. If it has any kind of issue you must be able to get to it and work on it. I am 6'2" I get it, I have had to work on our engine while at sea, a rolling pitching boat would make that task on the PS40 one of the hardest I've ever seen. I prefer the Valiant's layout, and storage, I personally preferred the Pullman version, adding a hatch is not that hard considering your skills with fiberglass to get ventilation in the pullman berth. But the one in Seattle is as nice, and that portion of the layout is purely personal to the couple.The boat has many of the items spoken about, roller furling of both headsails, much of the rigging and sail's have been replaced. You likely would want to build that aft Bimini (structure) like the boat you toured, and add the solar you need. I don't have your purse strings, but my vote goes the the Valiant.... But behind you regardless of your pick! Awaiting your decision.
That looks like a great boat.
I gotta say ya'll's boat choices seem strange to me. This is right in the price range of Amel super maramu's, all over europe. Legit separate living areas, room for kids and guests, serviceable engines etc etc. 10' longer to maintain, but definitely more of a family friendly layout. The Valiant price puts you into Oyster 45, 55 territory. There's even a Deerfoot 62 in your price range... so why are you looking at ll these tiny cramped canoes?
Does it make a difference that the seattle boat is already on the side of the panama canal where you want to be?
Wow a very nice clean well maintained boat. That engine bay and the little Yanmar are spotless. Tough call I think I like your previous choice myself? The 1/4 berth would not work well for my "significant other". Hates feet anywhere near her, LOL. Not sure what to say other then you definitely have it narrowed down nicely. Hmm, because I want to give you an opinion the Valiant 42 would be my choice. Little more room it seemed and a lot more storage in the main berth.
i love this channel. the reviews of all the boats is a new awakening for me regarding sailing life. thank-you! :) m.
Sometimes the price of owning a boat is hiring a good boat mechanic ,sometimes to do more is to do less.
Luv the series! Like both models but $50K is a large amount to consider. Further you should think which will have a better resale value because I predict that when you have kids you will be selling. Either boat will not provide enough space for young ones. They will need much more room to walk / run / play! Should look at a cat.
I really like this series on buying the next boat. You have undertaken the deliberate and thoughtful step of considering long range benefits, a good ranking method, and insightful commentary that differentiates your brand among your peers on FB.
Hi Guys, Great review of the Pacific Seacraft 40. This is a beautiful and very well maintained boat. Great to hear that you will be talking to Delos. Everything they might have to say about the Amel Super Maramu will also be mostly relevant to the Amel Santorin. Last week you responded to me (which was taken as an honor, thank you) saying that you think the Amel is too expensive. I do believe you can find a Santorin within your budget and without many of the compromises that each of the boats you have looked at so far. I am hanging in suspense here waiting to finally discover what you will decide - pacing the waiting room in the maternity hospital comes to mind. Thanks again for your insights and stay safe. Cheers, Niall
Between you and Ruby Rose, as experienced sailors, your evaluations of boats should inform boat builders/architects as to what’s important. As amazing as the Pacific Seacraft is, they could have made the shower and overall head a few inches shorter to accommodate the engine space. I think the lack of access to the engine is not just going to get super frustrating, it could also be dangerous when underway if you can’t quickly reach problem areas.
Trust me, you use the head many times each day, and except for checking oil level and changing engine oil every 200 engine hours, easily changed fuel filters, we only are in the engine compartment a few times a year. Routine engine maintenance goes a long way to preventing problems offshore when you are sailing. Remember offshore you only have fuel for about 100 hours of engine run time. Stuff happens but there is enough access to deal with it.
You will still have to spend another 50 Grand on the sea craft to get it up to snuff. It's missing the dinghy davits, wind vane, radar and the Watermaker. If you can get the boat for 190 or even 195, I think it's great for two people. if you plan on having children I suggest a bigger boat. 200 Grand will get you a beautiful boat. you should not have to spend more than that for either one of these.
Have you ever sailed a catamaran ?
Once you go cat you never go back 😀
Outdoor space for kids is so important, They either need a cat or a big cock pit.
Get the Leopard 40 / 43 or a Lagoon40 / 420 for 200k put 50k into it and forget these ridiculous overpriced monohulls. Once you are on that cat you won't get off, just go look at one and spend a few hours on it and see what you think, I know every type of boat has it's pros & cons.
You have something to learn about kids - some are Houdinis.
🤣🤣🤣 My daughters better than houdini lol she's also non verbal and autistic so that maybe why 🥰
I'm a great believer in value for money. Both the Valiant 42 and the Pacific Seacraft 40 have many pros and a few cons. But the price differential is substantial. So I'd have no hesitation from what I've seen in going for the Valiant 42 out of these two boats.
I think the front Vberth could be modified into a bigger bed. Thee was room on both sides
If it's the boat that I've seen on yacht world its a beauty and no question about its sailing ability, although you didn't mention bow thrusters, which it'll need for close handling with that hull consideration. You don't show in the video but I'm sure it's the same boat and It's got a nasty green hull with its name painted across half the hull on boat sides. That's going to be a faff to change. I also thought the bed in the v-berth looked small. Lots of wasred space in that forward cabin. You keep saying family of 4 and I don't see it. 3 for sure, 3 and a baby but 2 adults and 2 kids?
"trow in the kids and know they be oke" 🤣 Those cushions must be really soft ! I actually love this boat lay out. But at the end of the day it is really a hard decision .
From a kid perspective, that huge double berth is awesome.
that was funny, just grab em by the leg and throw em in there, add a little flip in there for good measure :)
LOL I also thought that was a funny comment by Jordan! But I must say, there are many places you could throw the kids into on this boat. That little closet in the head would be perfect! lol
...as if kids stay where you throw them!!!! :) I hope that net goes floor to ceiling.. sorry, deck to overhead! Good luck kids.
Every time on every boat you look at you point out drawbacks certainly this is correct any design is a result of compromise Elon Musk is designing StarShip and spending hundreds of millions of dollars on it and he still has to make compromises.
Except and again on every boat what you point out as less than ideal does not apply to cats. For this one for example Small cockpit, teak decking requiring maintenance need for an office hell you can convert an entire bedroom into an office and still have 2 bedrooms left over for little ones of guests. Hell as you know many TH-camrs make money on an occasional charter for their subs. Storage well a cat has 2 hulls and 2 engines increasing safety. Bed sizes well they have 4 and normally larger then the ones on any boat you have shown. Engine access on the whole better on a cat and if you cant fix it well you can still motor. Lack of storage space well again 2 hulls.
So what are the disadvantages of a cat? Well increased docking fees sure except you both spend the majority of the time on the hook. Increased Haul out certainly once a year It will cost you a few hundred more except you have an extra revenue stream if for example you charter just for a month that is thousands. Plus you can easily have both sets of parents aboard even if you convert a bedroom to an office/workshop.
I can certainly understand your reluctance to consider a cat when you had a much lower budget except now you could definitely find many even those from the big 3 Leopard/Lagoon/FP less than 20 years old in good condition for the same price. Certainly they would not be in as great a condition as the boats you have looked at. These are all in tip top shape with the latest bells and whistles. Even so every boat you looked at will still require tens of thousands to convert into a long term live aboard Blue water cruiser.
There is still of course saleability you cannot sail a cat as close to the wind except if they are fitted with dagger boards of which there are many designs to choose from. I have watched most of your blogs maybe all and possibly I missed it but I never saw you sailing upwind.
There are of course many advantages to a cat as opposed to a monohull I think the O kelleys did a great one but no doubt hundreds of others but I will point out just one. You have a shallower draft. Since you live on the hook a lot that means you have shorter trips to the beach safer entrance and places where a monohull just cannot go.
Five years ago you were both very brave you spent all your money put years of Labour into a project when you did not even know you liked sailing. Now you are unwilling to make the leap from Monohull to cat even though the disadvantages you point out on every boat you visit simply disappears on a cat.
I can think of any YT couples that have made the leap from monohulls to cats and only 1 that has done the reverse and that was both budget and the fact that their cat was very small.
It is for certain your money and your choice It is not because I am a fan of cats that I write this. It is the fact that I do want you to have a good and happy life and your reasoning as I can see it is faulty.
That engine compartment alone makes that a "no" from me.
All I keep seeing is the way you have to remove the steps to the cockpit to work on the engine, so either everybody else has to stay in the cockpit or below 'cause nobody's relocating while the steps are missing! Also, I didn't see any showing of a battery bank, or solar so where's that all going to fit?
I agree with many others who are saying you are looking at boats that are too small! You think you will be doing a ton of sailing, but trust me, with kids you're going to be parked a lot more than you think. The size you are looking at now would probably work for one baby until it's suddenly a toddler and add in another baby while trying to keep the first one happy and out of mischief and you will wish you had more space. Kids are pretty adaptable until they start wanting to explore, then they can turn into demanding little machines.
All it takes is for the little one to be ailing with something and you could find yourselves parked for several weeks. There's no room on any of the boats you've looked at to accommodate a washer/dryer, any extra fridge upgrade, you will need to have car seats for traveling around when you are in a port and need to get to a store, so where will you stash those the rest of the time? How about a stroller? Even if you're willing to walk everywhere you'll be wanting a child carrier to wear, and that's only good for so long. Kids need exercise to develop properly, so you will need to accommodate that by spending time ashore since there isn't enough room on a boat this small to allow for it. Your time-table of getting a boat that will work for 10 years with two growing kids is very unrealistic unless you get something larger. There is a reason the large majority of families with more than one child are choosing catamarans! And the addition of catamarans is exactly why there are now more families siling and living aboard.
I truly think you are thinking about the safety of your children, but you might need to be thinking a bit more about their happiness and comfort too.
Sorry, didn['t mean to write a frickin book, but these thoughts have been bugging me since you first started looking for a new boat!
Bernie should have his own channel. I'd subscribe!
Try Captain Q yachthunter. Fun channel and informative.
Full time live aboard is made a lot easier with solar and I don’t see that on either of these boats. Also as far as engine access you could take the difference in $$ over the valiant and convert it to electric (Sailing Uma)that would be much easier to maintain although it would be a huge project. The way you could secure netting around the entire boat (SV Delos)would make it much safer for children. A one owner well maintained boat would win my vote. I’d still jump on a plane and look at the Seattle boat just to confirm the choice.
I love the ps40!!! Yanmar engine sold me. Draw back.. poor eng access.
Love everything about it.
Pray this will be your choice. Good luck!
if it need a overhaul, lift i up and work on it 360 degress access :) that why the hole are in cockpit
@@carnivaldk959 Agreed. But in an emergency? I would create access hatches wherever possible, and where most likely to be needed! Doable.
Smalls bed are OK so long as they are long enough! Harder to fall from... An extra vent can be created.
The smallest boat that serves your need is more affordable and will get more use. Varnish can be painted over with epoxy paint (sad, but problem solved). Yanmar and Kubota derivatives are some of the best engines on the market, with plenty of spares anywhere in the world.
Canoes end suck, but they once were the rule for sea going vessels. Newer boats are more expensive, (read unaffordable!). Small cockpit are safer, as long as they are large enough for your needs.
Travel over to Europe (or anywhere) has become a logistical nightmare. Shop locally.
I think it is a nice boat, very well designed. Worth considering.
i think this would be great for u. Maybe even better than 42. this boat has lot of useful perks that would come handy. I would give it 4.5/5.
Storing it in a cooler climate really makes a difference
love the channel, and the new boat adventure! speaking of delos- why aren't you looking at an Amel? a quick google search shows a bunch in your price range and after watching delos for years it seems like that boat is head and shoulders above any other boat i've ever seen in every aspect. i'm always amazed people would buy anything else. good luck in finding your dream boat!
Get the leapord 43 for 200k put 50k into it and forget these rediculouse overpriced monohulls.
I think you could buy either to be happy. but I don't think either boat will be a good fit if you are having two children. I'm looking for a boat this size and I'm just one person, certainly you can have more people living on board but it's all about how comfortable you want to be.
Cut the side walls out of the engine room and turn them into removable hatches
That might be a pretty good idea to consider. Washing up would be easy as your next to the sink!
Not a fan of hacking up boats just for more access. The previous owner/s didnt seem to have an issue with it being the boat is 24 yrs old.
Turn sideways on the shitter and you can cop-a-squat and change the oil 😂
All seriousness tho .. making improvements to make life easier I won't classify that as hacking. .and not everyone is 6'5 either lol
I really like the sea craft except for the small cockpit and the crowded engine. It does not look like this boat was ever used for long passages. it doesn't have any solar, windvane or radar. it doesn't have a dingy or Davits to hang it on. there is no water maker. It's a nice boat but I think they're asking too much. Perhaps during your negotiations you can consider the fact you still need to spend another 35 Grand? in extras to complete this boat.
This is a beautiful boat. My fav so far.
Lovely boat but too small for a family. My feeling is you need a bigger boat. The v-birth is way too small for you two...and babies end up in your bed...looks very easy for someone to fall out. I’d be looking at the closest to 50 as possible.