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- Painting with Renner water-based self sealing cabinet coatings is the new safer way to paint kitchen cabinets. My SEE Video. Paint Life Gear: paintlifesuppl...
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All 2k waterbased laquers have the health hazards as the crosslinker contain isocyanate.. Worth mentioning. They're not non toxic.
Spot on. Louis is incredibly knowledgeable re: finishing. Still, I have to question the how little PPE he uses when using the 2Ks. Both OSHA and CDC have a ton of stuff out there about the dangers of isocyanates (specifically skin absorption). The auto body guys wear Tyvek suits and use supplied air when dealing them them. T-shirt and no gloves? C'mon, man.
@ILruffian from what I understand 3m don't have a regulator for isocyanates with you needing a supplied Air mask
Does the product contain isocyanates or isocyanurates?
Thanks for addressing the toxicity issue. For years I've realized that using hydro carbons in an occupied dwelling doesn't make sense, health wise and for liability concern.
Yes, I wouldn't recommend it!
I'm a custom cabinet and furniture maker.
Right now I'm actually in the process of switching my finish product from General Finishes water based to ScuffX. I normally use General Finishes Water Based Poly or Water Based Pre Cat Lacquer. I noticed the finish is actually so hard that its easier over time for the finish to crack along seams of new cabinet face frames. Even with the tiny amount of wood movement there is in kitchen cabinets. Also the water based (non latex) products i've used can't hang for crap. Super delicate and careful work hanging that product on a vertical surface. On a horizontal surface its almost complete perfection immediately tho. Lays perfectly flat. I'm learning cabinet finishes are kinda like the hardness of a blade (if you've ever watched Forged in Fire) too hard of a finish, it's easier to crack over time with any wood movement. Too soft and it wont be durable. I'm hoping ScuffX is that middle ground I'm looking for. Though I have to play chemist a little bit for it to lay as flat and perfect as General Finishes does right out of the can.
How do these Renner Finishes hang on vertical surfaces without running?
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Hi! we just switched to renner wood coatings, they hang on great. Depending on weather and sprayer you use it will determine the deifficulty of laying a nice smooth coat on vertical surfaces. We use airless graco gx19 sprayer with 208 tip and that works for us. Hope this helps
Sick duo.
You guys keep us educated in newer and cleaner materials to handle and get industrial quality finish.
I am sick of spraying lacquer lol.
Hey great info. Chris and Lewis!!
Thanks for the upload and for sharing Chris! 👍
And thanks for sharing your experience and information Lewis.
Lewis rocks too! 👍👍😁
Here I am in my shop with the fans going, just sprayed SW PreCat lacquer, sitting here marinating in the offgas. Looks like a slick system, and I’d love to get away from the solvents. Been at this 25 years, so I’m gonna check out Renner and SurfPrep. Appreciate the video, Bro Brushes.
Stop chewing gum plz! 🤦♂️
He looks strung out.
I think he was nervous getting up there and talking in front of the Idaho Painter.
I really like using Sherwin-Williams SHER-WOOD® Kem Aqua Plus Surfacer and SHER-WOOD® KEM Aqua Plus Whites. You can use them straight out of the can with no thinning for spray equipment. Meets KCMA specifications, a perfect coating every time, super fast drying time, cleanup couldn't be easier at a really great price. House doors and kitchen cabinets look superb.
Yea, no SW is like one of the worst water based Lacquers on the market. Please try Gemini coatings or Target coatings both companies have a great water based option. SW is a big no no when it comes to anything clear coats.
Opening a cabinet coating shop in January, I'll be buying all my gear and equipment through the paintlife store!!! Dying to join Paint Life Mafia!!! WOOT-WOOT!
Great video fixing to do a major spray out on a custom kitchen ,I've advised the owners of the Toxicity of Laquer and the VOC it carries, the Waterborne Cat Laquer as well as the Pigmented Laquer is a 100% game changer for me as well as my clients , this will change the industry as we know it as we are always looking for safer easier and user friendly products to use , and that is huge in our business, wanna say thank you and where can I get these products as I need them immediately, and I can't wait to pass this information on to my client as they were worried with how the Laquer would put off VOCs that may be harmful to their children after we leave the project ,i cannot thank you enough guys !!
Thanks Lewis and Chris!
Thanks for watching!
Hello
Great Video thank you for bringing this info into light else i wouldnt have ever known about it.
Thanks for watching Rick!
Thanks for what you do Chris. I'm in a painting apprenticeship; prior to it, i watched a ton of your videos. I was pretty nervous going into a field where I am super young and inexperienced, but I'm glad i went into it with good knowledge from your videos
If you care enough you'll succeed no matter what. So many hacks in the field makes it hard though.
Glad to see you’re learning, remember when you used to spray your cabinets without taking the doors off
Never have
I've been in search of a water-based product with Lacquer strength qualities and of coarse dry times. I'll have to try this product. If I like it, I'll recommend that product to be carried at Dunn Edwards.
doc hall, Most of Dunn Edwards paints have great durability, but I recommend a good bonding primer from Sherwin William called extreme bonding primer, and its water based!. The only issues I have with some of the newer hybrid water-based oils is hardening. Curing to its full strength can take a few weeks.
Doom Punk wee
Try it!
Doom Punk there are many Waterbase coatings on the market that are as good as pre-cat lacquers and some that are as good as Conversion Varnishes and 2k polys. I have a few examples on my channel if you are ever bored where i show the chemical resistance, mar, adhesion, and water resistance of various Waterbase and solvent based coatings.
Hey Chris great video! could you post a link for where to get this paint please.
Mk sales
Very professional whit gum in his mouth! Great
Paint is a whole new world that I'm learning about. Thanks for the great videos!
Good stuff, great video and info..looks like a game changer
Thanks for watching Chad!
7am on the east coast and already 140 views! Love your work.
Thanks for the support Kristin!
You should link the paints and stuff you use! I'm guessing you can't get it most local places...
Looks like Lewis is choking down an eight of mushrooms before he works. Like 👍
Sounds like an excellent product!
Thanks Luis!
Also check Milesi, also Italian, they also do extensive texting. European coatings have much more pigments than American coatings, which equals greater finish, less fisheyes, ect.
@@regalston6209 Thanks!
Awesome content! Thank you!
Thanks for watching Gabriel!
Luis knows his stuff!
Sir i am paint engineer from India thnku sir
Do you have the grain raise? Oak being on that's bad for that. That's been the biggest problem. I've been finding with the water base laqures
What was the name of that sander and where can I get it? Thank you in advance.
The Sander is from Surf Prep. We use this sander in our shop and would 100% recommend it. Super light and easy to use. We had one have a small issue a while back and we shipped it back to them and within a short period of time received a video explaining what they did to it, what they replaced, what caused it, and two days after received the sander back looking like new! Highly recommend them!!
You ever use Napco resins? We allways cut the pilots and vent as much as possible. And allways use the proper resporator.
Does Lewis offer training on an ongoing basis or was that just for Chris. If training is available please send details.
Thanks Great vid. Wanting to transition to waterbase, but don't know how.
What Louis said ^^^
Good video...
We had one death,one allmost die and a couple of booms. Now I work for myself,but the Company I worked for had all the proper training and would supply endless filters and other saftey equipment. It was all tech error.
What are you talking about??
Thanks Chris for the info. I'm a bit scared to use lacquers because of just that. So he it right....this recipe is: oil based primer, 2 coats of the Renner industrial [pigmented] coating, powered Glaze, and clear cost enamel? 🤔 thanks again
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Great video. Have to try it myself to believe it. Lots of water based products to replace hydrocarbons are advertised great for the environment but they don't perform at all. Sure it doesnt smell or isn't combustible but does it really perform?? Maybe but a lot of green products dont. Interesting to try.
I like this system very much, do they have clear coding materials in the waterborne material, and any information we can get on these products would be appreciated,
rennerwoodcoatings.com
Hi Chris first thanks for sharing the information. I live in a condo and want to paint my kitchen cabinets. I would appreciate you you post the link where to buy theses products.
Thanks
Where can I get more information about the paint, sand pads and sanders. ??
Grounded the equipment Señor Crish
O quema la casa.
Really like the video where can I buy this product? Thanks for what you doing I have been watching for years please keep it up. Thanks John
What’s wrong with polycryclic? I’ve always used it just for the reasons y’all mentioned. Granted it is rather pricey.
Theres nothing wrong with Polycrylic. I have put that on small projects 15 years ago with a brush and its still holding up.
But now I'm doing this for a living and Polycrylic just doesnt fit the workflow of what I'm spraying and what the clients want. To my knowledge, General Finishes High Performance is simply a better and more expensive version of Polycrylic. My trusted painting friend said 5 years ago he tested every water based clear coat he could get his hands on and General Finishes came out on top. I believe him. I love General Finishes top coats, but if i ran out of it I wouldnt mind spraying some polycrylic. Theres nothing wrong with it. It might not lay as flat or have the same chemical resistance as General Finishes. But there's nothing wrong with it at all. If it suits your needs use it all day and dont let anyone tell you otherwise.
I don't get it when you say it takes one day to spray. Of course when it's time to spray, it doesnt take much time to spray, the prep and your set up and how many people you have to help you will accomplish painting the cabinets. Please, emphasize on these time consuming and labor factors.Thank you.
What brand i had trouble hearing ?
Never caught the name of the abrasive system or the paint.... super interesting. I’d like more info on both!!!
I know what a solvent test is, but what's a "cold" test?
That sander looked freakin awesome... Who makes it and what model?
my question exactly!!
Surf Prep
omg! Hella expensive i wish i didn't watch this video! I might have to try one out.
Chris are you using Renner now spraying the cabinets vertical? Any runs or does it dry quick enough for the hanging system?
Good information. Some of your recent videos touted the benefits of lacquer over latex for cabinets and trim. Does this mean that you now prefer this water based lacquer?
Thanks too the both of you for making this video. Found it to be very informative on waterbased paints. Is the name of the sander Surfprep? I noticed the logo on your shirt. What pad and grit do you use when sanding the cabinets ? Also when are your classes starting and how could you sign up? Thanks again
Yes, it is Surf Prep
Hey Chris, when are you re stocking your Paint Life apparel? I need some shirts in your Paint Life Bundle not available in XL, and other things not available no longer. Let me know bro!
I have cabinets that were once thermofoiled...basically cheap ones from big box store. they were in the home when i purchased it. i took a heat gun them and pulled off the thermofoil to paint them eventually. can these products be used on MDF?? they have a routed detail in them and routed edges. will this products work well with endgrain of MDF?
I've never used lacquer coatings...I don't think it's a big thing here in Kentucky. I've obviously used traditional enamels on cabinets but i realize i can't achieve a lacquer finish.
it's any water base product whit the results like lacquer undercoat? or what do you recommend, I like lacquer undercoat because build up and help to erase some imperfections on the cabinets.
Cost factor comparison price ?
Well I tried looking for somewhere that sells the renner products and all the links from the website just sends me to dead links so I guess the company went under. Was seriously looking for a good system for doing cabinetry.
What was the name brand of the coatings?
What was the name of the sander in the Abrasives
Renner
Renner coatings and Surfprep sanding system.
Renner and Surf Prep
Great video. Chris, I’m wondering how the products you showed compare to painting a cabinet with say Advance, and following that up with a couple coats of water based varathane satin finish. Any thoughts / advice you could offer would be most appreciated.
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@@Idahopainter womp womp
I had trouble hearing brands names ?
Hello Paint Life team, Can you refinish shaker java colored cabinets with the Renner Water-bourne material ? Have a customer who's kitchen is fairly new but they want to change the color.
I love precat laquer
I hate it
How do the renner products compare to Mohawk water based pre cat laquer? I am limited in what I can get in my area.
Can these coatings be brushed or rolled on instead of spraying?
Does Louis give classes?
He should!
Can I use this paint for furniture painting as well
Can you do a review on Krause and becker airless sprayer. Painting cabinets?
Thanks brother for your advice. My brother is from Algeria and I work as a painter. I love to emigrate to America. Is there work there like this? Thank you
Where can I get some of these coatings to try?
Lewis, lose the gum dude!
Is there a link where we can purchase these amazing sanding pads?
It would have been very helpful to have provided the name of the finish and maybe even a link.
Waterbasedfinish.com Renner
@@Idahopainter Thanks for the link. $80 plus shipping for a quart is a little steep fer me.
Is this product sprayed from an airless or hvlp system? Where can we get/order the product?
@@finefinishsupply great thanks for the reply. Checking out the website now to learn more about the products.
HVLP is recommended
@@jayramirez669 BRUH U A LIFE SAVER
I remember many years ago when bowling alleys were coated with lacquer. I always liked the smell of it, and it was a great surface to bowl on. But it was WICKEDLY flammable- several explosions occurred from lacquer solvent fumes.
Axalta Ultraguard has no smell.
Hi people!!! Can I use the Graco G40 gun to spray lacquer? Thank you
Where can I buy the water base paint for cabinets??
Is there a tutorial for the mixing methods??
Where can I get these products?
I'm in Palm Beach county, Florida.
www.waterbasedfinish.com/
Can we expound about Catalysts and pre catylysts please? Need a little paint poparazzi fir this one ..Lolz
Good idea
And again, the types of products you use matters also.
Where do you buy
waterbasefinish.com
rennerwoodcoatings.com
Are these available for home enthusiast?
Yea
Good thing lacquer taste better than it smells
where is the link to the sander?
Can I choose different sheens?
can you paint base by hand with this ?
lose the gum louie
any access to us guys in canada??
whats the tune at the end of the video?
Does anyone know what kind of turntable they are using ?
Where to buy renner products?
Who sales it?
waterbasefinsh.com
rennerwoodcoatings.com
Gracias amigos
Where can I buy this product?
Chris did you really switch to this product?
Yep
Wasn’t your original channel called home improvement how to’s?
Yes, it has changed a couple of times
Where can I buy lead paint?
you cant
It’s really frustrating to me when companies with great products make it hard for me to give them my money. Maybe I didn’t look hard enough but I found Renners website to be kind of useless
www.rennerwoodcoatings.com
I searched for 5 minutes on google and i can't find where to buy this.
Just use napco resin,we tested everything over the years and stuck with their product. They do have waterbased products but from my 14 years nothing can compete with their acrylics if properly applied.
Is Sherwin Williams a distributor for Renner? If not which paint shop is?
tried to email them they didnt answer yet in 24 hours. prob just ask my paint rep about it
They aren't, but Sherwin does distribute Sayerlack, which is an Italian equivalent to the Renner stuff.
@@kylegoodman5196 if you can get it for under $100 Per gal and not 5 gal orders
@@kylegoodman5196 btw Renner is Italian.seems like it's the same company must different products
@@bailey2624 Renner, Sayerlack, and Milesi all make the same stuff, just different names. And I do believe you can get Sayerlack clear and Hydroplus pigmented topcoat in single gallons.
I just noticed that he doesn't reply the messages. That's very disappointing.
Hey Chris where you can get that sander
paintlifesupply.com
Can this product be got in Europe
yes renneritalia.com
rennerwoodcoatings.com