Masako, I just rewatched DB Super (and the BoG movie), and it seems in both continuities Shin (or Kibitoshin in this case) DID know about Beerus. He says as much to Elder Kai in episode 3. I'm pretty sure the manga says something similar. I think people are confusing his lack of knowledge about Zeno with his supposed lack of knowledge about GoDs.
Was just about to comment this, Shin knows about Beerus idk where this idea he didn’t came from. And after rewatching the a Ben where Zeno is revealed, it seems shin just didn’t know what Zeno looked like, rather then not knowing who that he exists.
@ayobrownie i get the feeling people confuse Shin having never met Zeno with this misconception of him not knowing about GoDs. It really isn't helping us beat the whole "DB fans can't read" allegations lmao.
I like the idea if creating the Gods of Destruction and Zeno as the aftereffect. Like perhaps the Demons created too much and needed balance. Hence pulling in Angels and Gods of Destruction to cause that balance, including Zeno.
@@shmikex how do you create “too much?” Especially when we are talking about mortal life that dies and changes forms naturally anyway, as well as entropy that will eventually destroy everything given enough time.
The new lore introduced in Daima is quite interesting yet confusing at times. Was there other creator who created the races that aren't related to majins-demons like saiyans and if so what role does Zalama has in the multiverse aside from the creation of the Super Dragon Balls.
@@dragonkingoscurare1092 I had my money on Zalama being the true creator of the multiverse and really, I’m still not sure that’s not the case. If someone told this creator to create and he did it, who is the real creator?
@SpammytheHedgehog I mean Nahare/Shin was still young when Buu attacked the Kaioshin. It's not far fetch that he didn't learn about everything. It's like Zamasu when he learn about the Time Ring.
The "unit" character has qualities of Beerus. Adorned with cuffs of gold, tail, pointy ears, and blueish purple skin. I would not be surprised if theyre directly connected as a type of balancing figure to control expansion. What if all of the life forms spawned like humans and Saiyans scared Raimus and the "unit" so they ordered or created control characters and instructed Kais to watch and GoDs to cull?
@@TheImpetuousDanny what “expansion” though? When has a population boom ever been a problem in any of the universes? Especially since life itself seems to still mostly spring up naturally, like it did for humans and Saiyans? It takes a GoD a second to destroy what took evolution millions of years to build. There’s no equivalent creator who can repopulate a world as easily. This doesn’t seem very balanced to me at all. And what are the Kai watching for exactly?
@@AnIdiotsLantern Any expansion I guess? Ideological expansion like Zamasu's hatred for mortals? Once confirmed Beerus erased him. Beerus ordered Frieza to destroy the home of the Saiyans? Clearly there are roles of some sort of culling given to GoDs. Raimus is the instant creator of Xenos instant erasure isn't he? Unless I understood it incorrectly. I interpreted the lore as he created many universes (more than we see in the ToP) and they have dwindled for different reasons. Isn't it the hierarchies job to watch over? Grand Kai -> four kais of the NESW galaxies -> respective planets God? You can argue they intervene since Kami/Dende aid the Z fighters and so has King Kai.
@ Zamasu was in training to become a new Kaioshin. Kaioshin are life-linked to their GoDs. I wonder how that would’ve changed things. But erasing Zamasu didn’t really solve any problems, since Goku Black and HIS little Zamasu are still very around. Beerus seems certain they won’t threaten HIS timeline anymore, so he washes his hands of the matter, but the problem remains very unsolved. And any ideology that condemns the Saiyans but lets Frieza’s genocide for profit business operate with impunity isn’t worth anything. Beerus doesn’t destroy because it’s his job. He does it because he feels like it. He told Vegeta that guilt over innocent lives lost is for losers who can’t Hakai. If they were worried about universes dwindling maybe don’t assign an entire god to exactly that job.
Well, at this point I imagine Beerus has been asleep for 100’s if not 1000’s of years. Maybe it’s just something that is normally in the back of his head and he doesn’t think about it like that until he awakens.
I just figured since Piccolo Jr is technically a reincarnation of Piccolo大魔王 he just considers himself to be the same person in that sense. But yeah him being fused whole with Kami for the first time since he split is also a great reason.
Wouldn't suprise me there's actually a 4th demon world thats been sealed off for so long everyone forgot it existed. Only Old Kai, Beerus and Whis know about it. This is where Towa and Demigra live along with the exiled Daikioshin King mechikabura. No reason why xeno/heroes cant exist along side Diama.
@@MasakoX make a video of what where the Angels are from ...do you think there is 'HEAVEN REALM' where 'God' is from and was a Lucifer like character kicked out and created the Demon Realm similar to the Bible story ? this Dragon ball story has so much potential story line
I think the whole story with Shin being a part of the demon world exodus makes no sense considering the elder kai. Unless there was an exodus 15 generations prior as well.
It's clearly stated Shin and remaining Glinds with the few exceptions left the Demon World After the universes outside were already established. Elder Kai Might have been one of the earliest Glinds to be chosen as the Kaioshin
Sure. Why not? Compartmentalized Intel is a thing in many hierarchies. "The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing" is a famous saying for a reason.
like rhymus looks kinda like a silver age hero like how grand master kai was a laid back old man owl esque hipster type. shin did know of beerus with how it overall felt like he just didn't know of his link/with how several universes got erased could see the g.o.d's being made as a response to it with the angels being used to balance things(with great priest basically being an emperor's advisor more in charge than zeno that made it worrying in areas.) though hope it doesn't end with goku & the others forgetting things as i don't mind super getting retcon in areas(considering it did that for the films.).
One possible name with a double meaning for the oldest demon king could be sonething like zezame, like sesame seeds and "open saysame" referring to his order to expand the universe
Zeno is the universal destroyer oversee the destroyers and has the grand priest as an attendant, Rymus probably instilled this so universes could flourish under a watchful eye, like how each destroyer watches their own universe they answer to Zeno who watches all of the universes
The timeline of Dragon Ball really confuses me now. Piccolo’s father could be millions of years old if we account for how long ago certain events such as Buu’s first rampage & Moro’s powers getting sealed go back. Of course Kami & Demon King Piccolo might have had very reduced life spans due to splitting apart.
But even Guru lived an incredibly short life compared to how long Katas seems to have lived. Also, the show seems to imply that all the Kai's were selected at once when that has clearly been shown to not be the case on the past.
@@Jeremo-FDI mean we don’t really know how old normal Nameks live to under ideal conditions. Guru was a survivor of a near extinction event and was tasked with having to repopulate the planet by himself. Giving birth so many times within a relatively short timeframe may have taken a severe toll on his health and lifespan, especially when the King Piccolo arc heavily implies that creating offspring actually drains lifeforce for Nameks.
Well Shin mentioned he’s still the highest authority implying he is still alive unless you mean a Piccolo type of reincarnation where the person considers themself their previous self instead of someone new.
Ive only watched the first episode of Daima but I watch all your reviews and Geekdom's too, just to have an idea of what's going on and get all the references when I eventually binge it. Whenever and wherever the DBS manga starts again, there's a lot more lore to call back to if needed and I think it will indeed have an influence on what's gonna happen in the future.
Tg the first person didn’t say first 😭💀 Loving the content recently Masako, keep it up 👍. (Hella excited for the next part of what if Piccolo had a son btw, currently my favorite series you have)
Why did the drop the supreme kai from each quadrant of the universe? In the battle with kid buu, there were 4 kais besides the supreme kai. but then they kind of dropped off on that
That does make me wonder why is Zenoh allowed to run amuck woth no supervision. Like Zenoh casually destroyed 2 Universes in a day and Rimus didnt feel the need to tell hi. To knock it off?
@Jeremo-FD I kinda already knew that. If every universe was established at the same time (we were never told they weren't) then gods and Kai's needed to be there to maintain balance, while Zeno was in his crib. I don't see why they felt the need to change something so miniscule new information.
Okay so Cosmology time. We've got the Demon world that operates as the prime universe from which the Supreme Majin created the others. Demon species then took up roles within these universes as deities of Creation and destruction. And if the theory holds Zeno is the heir apparent of the creator. Mortal species then evolved on their own guided by the gods to various outcomes. This still leaves some ambiguity about the Angles and when they came into play. But we can at least say they came into existence between the creation of the greater multiverse and the demons taking on divine roles within those universes. Each universe contains (or at least in theory) its own afterlife, a physical space within the universe that acts as the destination for souls either destined for reincarnation or judgment. Then we have the timelines, six of which are connected to the prime timeline via unprotected time travel; and myriad others are unconnected. Watched over by the Supreme Kai of Time to avoid further corruption of the time stream. Am I missing anything or is that it?
for as much as im interested in the lore, im kinda tired of this format where the main cast asks random questions out of curiosity, and we get free exposition. just gotten a bit repetitive i feel, but the fact the story remains fascinating to watch unfold and develop despite how i feel about the exposition, just shows how incredible it is
I have to disagree. Maybe if it was just random context then you would have a point but the curiosity is reasonable since it stems from outside world/objects interactions.
Hey just wondering did anyone else make this connection recently with Majin Kuu and Duu but because my brain is weird I just thought about this but if Kuu and Duu do fuse before Daima ends chances are this explains their name because as it just so happens if you combine their names it suddenly sounds like your trying to say 'Kudzu" an interesting vine plant that is know for being extremely invasive and destructive if left uncheck just like another certain Majin was seen as destructive and was banished in the past 🤔? Anyway because I thought of that I also suddenly thought about how they would fuse like that to require a name change and realized what they can't fuse naturally like Buu does by absorption and as a result would need something like the Fusion Bugs, and because of that I immediately now have crazy theory on how Daima might end, its not crazy but it is leaping at things that are not yet confirmed.
So it works like Zeno is over destruction and employees Hakaishin in order to destroy so the Kais can create Remus is over creation and employs the Kais in order to create and help watch over created life The Grand Priest preserves balance of creation and destruction by keeping the childish personality of Zeno in check and the Angels are employed to qwell the Haikaishins' anger as well as tutor them, and keep them from doing to much destroying.
Thing is, can Daima really be canon to Super if Shin and Kibito separated via Buu already? I get that it’s convenient to have him as a character but I don’t feel it can be canon for this reason alone.
@@Guyton1824Its really that simple. It’s kinda like arguing super can’t be canon because goku is a kid. A little foresight and creativity can tell you by the end goku is going to be an adult again. Even if shin doesn’t fuse it’s not the biggest thing and can be easily explained as something off screen. The series already shows super is on the the mind.
@@SD-wj9bv OG dragon ball never really felt all that tied to Z outside of the characters anyway. But as far as retcons go DB and DBZ don’t contradict each other too much. At least not in ways that are super obvious. The biggest retcon is Goku being an alien, and that’s not too bad since it’s not like we had a real explanation for his tail or great ape form in OG DB anyway. Daima and Super are blatantly contradictory to each other in so many ways.
I don't believe the Alakazam theory much due to it not really being apart of abracadabra (originally) cause that's only a thing Pokemon made up and a book. Unlike abracadabra that actually has an origin. It feels like a stretch in comparison to Bibidi Babdi and Boo.
It only really contradicts super. And honestly at this point given how badly written super has been up to this point I’m okay with that. Daima makes plenty of sense if you ignore super and look at it as its own canon to extend past the buu saga of Z.
Toriyama is lectured by Tolkien about unnecessary sequels in HofIL. Tolkien wanted to write a sequel to LOTR, but he realised it would be a dull and unsatisfying piece of story, a mere empty husk of the original. Like .... Super?
Should do a "what if" Goku trained with Vegeta in the room of spirit and time for 1 year then their sons instead of them going each with their sons as a compromise to Vegeta's request since Goku clearly wanted to help trunks get closer to his dad during the Android saga. 2 years of training for Vegeta and Goku and 1 for trunks and gohan.
@@MasakoX Are you sure about this, Lawrence? Sorry for calling you by your real name, Masako; I've always believed that the man is a good artist but terrible at storytelling or creative planning. Please prove me wrong. I would like to discuss this.
@@MasakoX I think a better direction would of been continuing the story beyond super rather than retconning every other series to make room for a niche adventure that is tightly constrained between 2 other series. Don't get me wrong, Daima is entertaining but I'm tired of the series being weighed down with chains that prevent any forward momentum for a decade at a time.
@@Dynelegacy I prefer the current direction. To me super is just poorly written, I’d rather just ignore it and have an actual planned show like Daima that has a goal to get to vs super which is just being written on the fly and held together with hopes, dreams, and duct tape.
@@-ThatGuy- I agree that Daima would be better than super if super didn't exist, but since it does it restricts what Daima can do without making everything weird.
Humans made cyborgs stronger than frieza. An OG DB like doctor char made said androids several times stronger than frieza. DB never respected its own power figures.
@ Hard disagree. The cyborgs were stronger than Frieza because they were designed with the express purpose of overpowering Goku using data gathered from his battles. That makes enough sense and doesn’t feel especially shark jumpy. There’s a difference in an established scientist in the franchise developing super robots based on existing data and fabricating yet another new God out of nothing to build artificial hype. It was slightly annoying during the Buu saga but now it’s gone beyond dumb.
@@VidelxSpopovichalso your telling me dr gerro who some how is capable of making android stronger the final form frieze couldn’t make androids stronger then goku in og dragon ball. First form freiza has a power lvl over 530,000. Just 1% of that is enough to complete no diff every character up to saiyan saga. But some how a new god that actually answers the questions that were never explained makes no sense and contradicting to a whole series. But a dude in his basement making androids that somehow completely shatters the roof the the creator has no ideal about makes perfect sense?
@@VidelxSpopovichHow does that make sense when no human could even hope to compare to frieza let alone Goku at that point? How does a cybernetic enhancement make them far stronger than the previously strongest being in the universe?
make a video on what /where the Angels are from ...do you think there is 'HEAVEN REALM' where 'God' is from and was a Lucifer like character kicked out and created the Demon Realm similar to the Bible story ? this Dragon ball story has so much potential story line
I mean..yes and no? Toriyama wrote the lore for Dragon Ball Online which was then reused for Heroes, Xenoverse and all that and it does have a story like that. But it’s likely non canon now since it doesn’t fit in with Daima and Super. Will we ever get a new version of that lore? Maybe. But basically, in that old lore, the Demon Realm was created by the fallen Supreme Kai Mechikabura who rebelled after he wasn’t selected to become the Supreme Kai of Time, harnessing a primordial dark energy called the Dark Factor to become the Dark King, and he and the ones who sided with him became the first demons. Can’t fit with canon lore since the Demon Realm predates kais now. And the Demon Realm was willingly sealed by Abura, instead of the demons being defeated and the demon realm being sealed away. But I’m sure if they ever wanna explain the canon origins of the demon realm, they can take elements from this. I’d argue the Evil Third Eye is already being used as a canon version of the Dark Factor.
Masako, I just rewatched DB Super (and the BoG movie), and it seems in both continuities Shin (or Kibitoshin in this case) DID know about Beerus. He says as much to Elder Kai in episode 3. I'm pretty sure the manga says something similar.
I think people are confusing his lack of knowledge about Zeno with his supposed lack of knowledge about GoDs.
Was just about to comment this, Shin knows about Beerus idk where this idea he didn’t came from. And after rewatching the a Ben where Zeno is revealed, it seems shin just didn’t know what Zeno looked like, rather then not knowing who that he exists.
@ayobrownie i get the feeling people confuse Shin having never met Zeno with this misconception of him not knowing about GoDs. It really isn't helping us beat the whole "DB fans can't read" allegations lmao.
@@ayobrownie he knows of zeno, he doesnt know zeno
I'm pretty sure it mentioned they've had meetings so yeah
which is stup1d af but ok
I like the idea if creating the Gods of Destruction and Zeno as the aftereffect. Like perhaps the Demons created too much and needed balance. Hence pulling in Angels and Gods of Destruction to cause that balance, including Zeno.
@@shmikex how do you create “too much?” Especially when we are talking about mortal life that dies and changes forms naturally anyway, as well as entropy that will eventually destroy everything given enough time.
@AnIdiotsLantern I think it's more like creating too much in a short period of time. Life might have gotten a bit too rowdy, too fast.
@ “too rowdy” in what way?
Even from the afterlife, Toriyama makes no sense, and we love him for it.
@@BaalFridge then debunk him 🙂 tuff guy
The new lore introduced in Daima is quite interesting yet confusing at times.
Was there other creator who created the races that aren't related to majins-demons like saiyans and if so what role does Zalama has in the multiverse aside from the creation of the Super Dragon Balls.
@@dragonkingoscurare1092 I had my money on Zalama being the true creator of the multiverse and really, I’m still not sure that’s not the case. If someone told this creator to create and he did it, who is the real creator?
Meanwhile I’m over here thinking how this will affect all the what ifs lol.
Type shii
I guess
Right. Whole new batch of hundreds of new ones 😜
Kinda think it would’ve been funnier if the creator of the Multiverse was Toribot is at least looked similar with a similar name.
Shin knew about all this, but not Grand Zeno? 😮😮
@SpammytheHedgehog I mean Nahare/Shin was still young when Buu attacked the Kaioshin. It's not far fetch that he didn't learn about everything. It's like Zamasu when he learn about the Time Ring.
Shin knows what the plot needs him to for maximum exposition dumps
Did you know Shin only learned about Zeno in Universe 6 arc?
Did they ever say Zeno didn't know? Furthermore, it is his own race history, I would venture to guess he would know quite a lot about it.
@@kalechips5972 not if nobody told him, I guess. We don’t know what sort of education he had.
Rymus' head also looks alot like Zeno's guards. Teal with pointy orange hair (like a hat or something in the case of the guards)
The "unit" character has qualities of Beerus. Adorned with cuffs of gold, tail, pointy ears, and blueish purple skin. I would not be surprised if theyre directly connected as a type of balancing figure to control expansion. What if all of the life forms spawned like humans and Saiyans scared Raimus and the "unit" so they ordered or created control characters and instructed Kais to watch and GoDs to cull?
@@TheImpetuousDanny what “expansion” though? When has a population boom ever been a problem in any of the universes? Especially since life itself seems to still mostly spring up naturally, like it did for humans and Saiyans?
It takes a GoD a second to destroy what took evolution millions of years to build. There’s no equivalent creator who can repopulate a world as easily. This doesn’t seem very balanced to me at all.
And what are the Kai watching for exactly?
@@AnIdiotsLantern Any expansion I guess? Ideological expansion like Zamasu's hatred for mortals? Once confirmed Beerus erased him. Beerus ordered Frieza to destroy the home of the Saiyans? Clearly there are roles of some sort of culling given to GoDs.
Raimus is the instant creator of Xenos instant erasure isn't he? Unless I understood it incorrectly. I interpreted the lore as he created many universes (more than we see in the ToP) and they have dwindled for different reasons.
Isn't it the hierarchies job to watch over? Grand Kai -> four kais of the NESW galaxies -> respective planets God? You can argue they intervene since Kami/Dende aid the Z fighters and so has King Kai.
@ Zamasu was in training to become a new Kaioshin. Kaioshin are life-linked to their GoDs. I wonder how that would’ve changed things. But erasing Zamasu didn’t really solve any problems, since Goku Black and HIS little Zamasu are still very around. Beerus seems certain they won’t threaten HIS timeline anymore, so he washes his hands of the matter, but the problem remains very unsolved.
And any ideology that condemns the Saiyans but lets Frieza’s genocide for profit business operate with impunity isn’t worth anything. Beerus doesn’t destroy because it’s his job. He does it because he feels like it. He told Vegeta that guilt over innocent lives lost is for losers who can’t Hakai.
If they were worried about universes dwindling maybe don’t assign an entire god to exactly that job.
Well, at this point I imagine Beerus has been asleep for 100’s if not 1000’s of years.
Maybe it’s just something that is normally in the back of his head and he doesn’t think about it like that until he awakens.
I just figured since Piccolo Jr is technically a reincarnation of Piccolo大魔王 he just considers himself to be the same person in that sense. But yeah him being fused whole with Kami for the first time since he split is also a great reason.
its both of those things.
What if Goku was betrayed by Rhymus and trapped in Whis' staff for a million years
Wouldn't suprise me there's actually a 4th demon world thats been sealed off for so long everyone forgot it existed. Only Old Kai, Beerus and Whis know about it.
This is where Towa and Demigra live along with the exiled Daikioshin King mechikabura.
No reason why xeno/heroes cant exist along side Diama.
They can, it's called separate cannon like how Dragon ball evolution and Dragin ball GT can still exist as a separate cannon
Either that or arinzu will soon change his name and make an android with glorio and name that android and himsekf mira and towa
i’ll give you a reason. Its not canon.
@@eduardopantoja9115you basically said its not canon
"So they are now part of this timeline"
Can we PLEASE just admit Daima's canon?
Of course it is. Hav and I never doubted it. It's a connector between Buu and Super.
@@MasakoX make a video of what where the Angels are from ...do you think there is 'HEAVEN REALM' where 'God' is from and was a Lucifer like character kicked out and created the Demon Realm similar to the Bible story ? this Dragon ball story has so much potential story line
People were still denying it was canon? Even though this is Akira Toriyama’s final work written by him?
People are sheesh… dunderheads.
Literally who said it wasn't 💀
@@viruschris3160people don't care, manga or not canon
So the big question to me is. Where do the angels come from? Are the Kais older than the angels? Were the angels always here?
I think the whole story with Shin being a part of the demon world exodus makes no sense considering the elder kai. Unless there was an exodus 15 generations prior as well.
@@shmikex are we sure ALL the Glind didn’t leave eventually?
It's clearly stated Shin and remaining Glinds with the few exceptions left the Demon World After the universes outside were already established. Elder Kai Might have been one of the earliest Glinds to be chosen as the Kaioshin
@ who chooses the Kaiyoshin? Do we know?
wasnt elder kai young and got turned old fusing with a witch?
Its possible the trees kept producing glinds for a while after most left so they were allowed 1 way exits.
Funny, since the "friendly slime monster" was invented by Toriyama.
Thanks For this masako! You always make My day with these videos 😊😊😊😊😊
My mistake. I got my wires cross with D&D!
@MasakoX np
I know it, Zeno was too much of a fool to be a creator.
It does explain why there trying to train ordinary puplis instead of waiting for a new supreme Kai to be born.
shin knew all this but not about beerus...
That actually tracks with Toriyama's humor
Sure. Why not? Compartmentalized Intel is a thing in many hierarchies. "The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing" is a famous saying for a reason.
This seems to be a misconception. I just rewatched DB Super and in episode 3 he seems to know who Beerus is. He says as much to Elder Kai.
Yeah Kai knows Beerus so IDK where people are getting that from@@Aquillius
He knew. In manga, anime and film he knew Beerus.
Raimus has a head shaped like a DQ slime...
About Rymus, you forgot about Lord Monaka, Masako.
He has pointy ears too and his species could be Demon Realm inhabitants.
whatizgoin Rymus here
I knew someone would say that eventually 😂
Daima increasingly is looking like Toriyama's Silmarillion, filled with lore.
Explain
I feel like more and more questions and possibilities are being raised, at the very least the dragon world feels like it's expanding.
hey mosako good to see you
like rhymus looks kinda like a silver age hero like how grand master kai was a laid back old man owl esque hipster type.
shin did know of beerus with how it overall felt like he just didn't know of his link/with how several universes got erased could see the g.o.d's being made as a response to it with the angels being used to balance things(with great priest basically being an emperor's advisor more in charge than zeno that made it worrying in areas.) though hope it doesn't end with goku & the others forgetting things as i don't mind super getting retcon in areas(considering it did that for the films.).
9:24 Aru ka Zaruma, "Zaruma of Gold", or "Golden Zaruma" if I read correctly (which I don't).
One possible name with a double meaning for the oldest demon king could be sonething like zezame, like sesame seeds and "open saysame" referring to his order to expand the universe
Rymus is the same species of Zeno but old and loves to nurture and create. Total opposite or Zeno who is currently childish and destructive.
5:00 His clothes have the same color scheme as Zeno too, just without the giant kanji obscuring the middle.
Well... we still don't know who created the majins and the demon world. So we might still get someone whose even higher up then Rhymus
Also, Piccolo *is* Piccolo Daimao. He declares himself the reincarnation, and he remains Kami's other half when Daimao is defeated
Amazing😮
Zeno is the universal destroyer oversee the destroyers and has the grand priest as an attendant, Rymus probably instilled this so universes could flourish under a watchful eye, like how each destroyer watches their own universe they answer to Zeno who watches all of the universes
The timeline of Dragon Ball really confuses me now.
Piccolo’s father could be millions of years old if we account for how long ago certain events such as Buu’s first rampage & Moro’s powers getting sealed go back.
Of course Kami & Demon King Piccolo might have had very reduced life spans due to splitting apart.
But even Guru lived an incredibly short life compared to how long Katas seems to have lived.
Also, the show seems to imply that all the Kai's were selected at once when that has clearly been shown to not be the case on the past.
@@Jeremo-FDI mean we don’t really know how old normal Nameks live to under ideal conditions. Guru was a survivor of a near extinction event and was tasked with having to repopulate the planet by himself. Giving birth so many times within a relatively short timeframe may have taken a severe toll on his health and lifespan, especially when the King Piccolo arc heavily implies that creating offspring actually drains lifeforce for Nameks.
Like the idea that the old demon king is Zalama, but I still prefer the idea that Zeno is Rymus reincarnation.
Well Shin mentioned he’s still the highest authority implying he is still alive unless you mean a Piccolo type of reincarnation where the person considers themself their previous self instead of someone new.
Ive only watched the first episode of Daima but I watch all your reviews and Geekdom's too, just to have an idea of what's going on and get all the references when I eventually binge it. Whenever and wherever the DBS manga starts again, there's a lot more lore to call back to if needed and I think it will indeed have an influence on what's gonna happen in the future.
Great video.
Been having a slow week this is Exactly what i needed. You're the Best masako
Fascinating stuff!
I remember how everyone was complaining that this would be a boring GT knock off
Tg the first person didn’t say first 😭💀
Loving the content recently Masako, keep it up 👍.
(Hella excited for the next part of what if Piccolo had a son btw, currently my favorite series you have)
I like to think that "Rymus" is also a pun on Uranus. It works on many levels. (Zeno = Zeus?)
That's a bit of a stretch. They're just named after a random Greek god & a random Roman god?
Why did the drop the supreme kai from each quadrant of the universe? In the battle with kid buu, there were 4 kais besides the supreme kai. but then they kind of dropped off on that
So... Rhymes is a Slime ? Maybe he just divided himself in other entities to create Zeno and the grand priest.
Do you think there was a Majin Auu (bcoz of the Majin naming scheme Buu, Cuu & Duu)?
Eventually you have to fight Akira toriyama as HE created the multiverse creator, then after that his parents or god
That does make me wonder why is Zenoh allowed to run amuck woth no supervision.
Like Zenoh casually destroyed 2 Universes in a day and Rimus didnt feel the need to tell hi. To knock it off?
LOVE this new lore! And yes! You were right!
"theres always someone stronger"
Tarble's wife Gure also has an egg shaped head like Zeno.
I’m wondering if Beerus and the other destroyers will get mentions
I like to think monaka is related somehow. He looks kinda similar
Wait, but what about Elder Supreme Kai???? Who was ancestor of universe 7’s supreme Kais?
This series is retroactively rewriting a lot, without changing anything.
It seems to imply that all the supreme Kai's were selected at the same time, which would be a change from the established lore.
@Jeremo-FD I kinda already knew that. If every universe was established at the same time (we were never told they weren't) then gods and Kai's needed to be there to maintain balance, while Zeno was in his crib.
I don't see why they felt the need to change something so miniscule new information.
Okay so Cosmology time.
We've got the Demon world that operates as the prime universe from which the Supreme Majin created the others. Demon species then took up roles within these universes as deities of Creation and destruction. And if the theory holds Zeno is the heir apparent of the creator. Mortal species then evolved on their own guided by the gods to various outcomes.
This still leaves some ambiguity about the Angles and when they came into play. But we can at least say they came into existence between the creation of the greater multiverse and the demons taking on divine roles within those universes.
Each universe contains (or at least in theory) its own afterlife, a physical space within the universe that acts as the destination for souls either destined for reincarnation or judgment.
Then we have the timelines, six of which are connected to the prime timeline via unprotected time travel; and myriad others are unconnected. Watched over by the Supreme Kai of Time to avoid further corruption of the time stream.
Am I missing anything or is that it?
Pretty much correct except the last part
The supreme kai of time is pretty much not cannon
for as much as im interested in the lore, im kinda tired of this format where the main cast asks random questions out of curiosity, and we get free exposition. just gotten a bit repetitive i feel, but the fact the story remains fascinating to watch unfold and develop despite how i feel about the exposition, just shows how incredible it is
I have to disagree. Maybe if it was just random context then you would have a point but the curiosity is reasonable since it stems from outside world/objects interactions.
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Hey just wondering did anyone else make this connection recently with Majin Kuu and Duu but because my brain is weird I just thought about this but if Kuu and Duu do fuse before Daima ends chances are this explains their name because as it just so happens if you combine their names it suddenly sounds like your trying to say 'Kudzu" an interesting vine plant that is know for being extremely invasive and destructive if left uncheck just like another certain Majin was seen as destructive and was banished in the past 🤔?
Anyway because I thought of that I also suddenly thought about how they would fuse like that to require a name change and realized what they can't fuse naturally like Buu does by absorption and as a result would need something like the Fusion Bugs, and because of that I immediately now have crazy theory on how Daima might end, its not crazy but it is leaping at things that are not yet confirmed.
Lol it's wild to think guru, kami etc... are considered to be ageing fast when they're like over 300 years old 😂
Based off other events, Neva & Katas are millions of years old if the dates aren’t retconned.
Dont u realise rymus looks like the galactic gaurdians in ben 10?
But what does this have to do with Bulma's panties?
Lmao the first wish in DB for panties by Oolong.
The spoilers are unreal
But where was rhymus when future zeno erased everything did he erase him as well?
Demon world might not be effected
So it works like
Zeno is over destruction and employees Hakaishin in order to destroy so the Kais can create
Remus is over creation and employs the Kais in order to create and help watch over created life
The Grand Priest preserves balance of creation and destruction by keeping the childish personality of Zeno in check and the Angels are employed to qwell the Haikaishins' anger as well as tutor them, and keep them from doing to much destroying.
question...if berrus and chomper are siblings then how did chomper and berrus manged to be in different universe
Because universes were able to be traversed freely before Abura prevented such things.
@@MasakoX fair but which one came from which universe
I’m wondering more about what they were before they were Gods of Destruction. If anything. It doesn’t seem to be the sort of thing you’re born into.
@@Gypsygeekfreak17 i mean they're from twin universes, they might just consider each other brothers because of that fact
Thing is, can Daima really be canon to Super if Shin and Kibito separated via Buu already? I get that it’s convenient to have him as a character but I don’t feel it can be canon for this reason alone.
They can always fuse back at the end of daima
@@Guyton1824Its really that simple. It’s kinda like arguing super can’t be canon because goku is a kid. A little foresight and creativity can tell you by the end goku is going to be an adult again. Even if shin doesn’t fuse it’s not the biggest thing and can be easily explained as something off screen. The series already shows super is on the the mind.
I don’t think Daima will end up being fully canon to super. And that’s okay with me since super is mostly garbage anyway.
@@-ThatGuy-fully canon? At this point people might as well say og is not canon to z.
@@SD-wj9bv OG dragon ball never really felt all that tied to Z outside of the characters anyway. But as far as retcons go DB and DBZ don’t contradict each other too much. At least not in ways that are super obvious. The biggest retcon is Goku being an alien, and that’s not too bad since it’s not like we had a real explanation for his tail or great ape form in OG DB anyway.
Daima and Super are blatantly contradictory to each other in so many ways.
Why do we need a 3rd Zeno lookalike? They got nothing new lol
You mean Dragon Quest, Masako? Not Dungeon Quest 😅
I don't believe the Alakazam theory much due to it not really being apart of abracadabra (originally) cause that's only a thing Pokemon made up and a book.
Unlike abracadabra that actually has an origin. It feels like a stretch in comparison to Bibidi Babdi and Boo.
Pokemon didn't make up the term "Alakazam" it definitely existed in relation to magic/magicians prior to that.
@Jeremo-FD you misunderstood, I mean Pokemon made up the connection of "Abracadabra Alakazam" not the word Alakazam
Is Daima Canon To DBS?
Yes. Gowasu, Fuwa and the other Supreme Kai of other universes making a cameo put it beyond doubt.
I see
Thank you masako
Wow 🤯
I hate memory swipes
Still waiting for dub😅
Neva lived that long becouse he keeps.geting hes life extended for hes services, that was established.
I wanna know who are the 5 strongest are lol
Daima has been a fun show, but lore wise I just cant put it with the rest of dragon ball. Its just too many blatant and intentional contradictions.
It only really contradicts super. And honestly at this point given how badly written super has been up to this point I’m okay with that. Daima makes plenty of sense if you ignore super and look at it as its own canon to extend past the buu saga of Z.
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Abra Kuu Dabura Duu
Aren't onii creatures creators of the world in Japanese folklore??
Toriyama is lectured by Tolkien about unnecessary sequels in HofIL. Tolkien wanted to write a sequel to LOTR, but he realised it would be a dull and unsatisfying piece of story, a mere empty husk of the original. Like .... Super?
Am i the only one who thought about author of DBM fan-manga when i saw that title?!😂
Should do a "what if" Goku trained with Vegeta in the room of spirit and time for 1 year then their sons instead of them going each with their sons as a compromise to Vegeta's request since Goku clearly wanted to help trunks get closer to his dad during the Android saga. 2 years of training for Vegeta and Goku and 1 for trunks and gohan.
Lost me at "...in the Crunchyroll sub use the pronoun They."
You should know by now how dishonest the subs have been.
Why does anyone even care? it is all just going to get retconned in the next series like always. Sucks when writers have no direction.
This probably has the best direction going. Toriyama personally oversaw this.
@@MasakoX Are you sure about this, Lawrence? Sorry for calling you by your real name, Masako; I've always believed that the man is a good artist but terrible at storytelling or creative planning. Please prove me wrong. I would like to discuss this.
@@MasakoX I think a better direction would of been continuing the story beyond super rather than retconning every other series to make room for a niche adventure that is tightly constrained between 2 other series. Don't get me wrong, Daima is entertaining but I'm tired of the series being weighed down with chains that prevent any forward momentum for a decade at a time.
@@Dynelegacy I prefer the current direction. To me super is just poorly written, I’d rather just ignore it and have an actual planned show like Daima that has a goal to get to vs super which is just being written on the fly and held together with hopes, dreams, and duct tape.
@@-ThatGuy- I agree that Daima would be better than super if super didn't exist, but since it does it restricts what Daima can do without making everything weird.
Until they release the new most powerfullest God over the last God. I’m so done with Super. It really feels like they hate the franchise.
Humans made cyborgs stronger than frieza. An OG DB like doctor char made said androids several times stronger than frieza.
DB never respected its own power figures.
@ Hard disagree. The cyborgs were stronger than Frieza because they were designed with the express purpose of overpowering Goku using data gathered from his battles. That makes enough sense and doesn’t feel especially shark jumpy. There’s a difference in an established scientist in the franchise developing super robots based on existing data and fabricating yet another new God out of nothing to build artificial hype. It was slightly annoying during the Buu saga but now it’s gone beyond dumb.
@@VidelxSpopovichalso your telling me dr gerro who some how is capable of making android stronger the final form frieze couldn’t make androids stronger then goku in og dragon ball. First form freiza has a power lvl over 530,000. Just 1% of that is enough to complete no diff every character up to saiyan saga. But some how a new god that actually answers the questions that were never explained makes no sense and contradicting to a whole series. But a dude in his basement making androids that somehow completely shatters the roof the the creator has no ideal about makes perfect sense?
@@VidelxSpopovichHow does that make sense when no human could even hope to compare to frieza let alone Goku at that point? How does a cybernetic enhancement make them far stronger than the previously strongest being in the universe?
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make a video on what /where the Angels are from ...do you think there is 'HEAVEN REALM' where 'God' is from and was a Lucifer like character kicked out and created the Demon Realm similar to the Bible story ? this Dragon ball story has so much potential story line
I mean..yes and no? Toriyama wrote the lore for Dragon Ball Online which was then reused for Heroes, Xenoverse and all that and it does have a story like that. But it’s likely non canon now since it doesn’t fit in with Daima and Super. Will we ever get a new version of that lore? Maybe. But basically, in that old lore, the Demon Realm was created by the fallen Supreme Kai Mechikabura who rebelled after he wasn’t selected to become the Supreme Kai of Time, harnessing a primordial dark energy called the Dark Factor to become the Dark King, and he and the ones who sided with him became the first demons.
Can’t fit with canon lore since the Demon Realm predates kais now. And the Demon Realm was willingly sealed by Abura, instead of the demons being defeated and the demon realm being sealed away. But I’m sure if they ever wanna explain the canon origins of the demon realm, they can take elements from this. I’d argue the Evil Third Eye is already being used as a canon version of the Dark Factor.
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