Hate Speech Isn't Real (2nd Edition) | Change My Mind
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- Steven Crowder RETURNS to have real conversations with real people on hot button issues. For this edition, Steven revisits the triggering issue of "hate speech."
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What do you think? Is it ever OK to legislate against ‘hate speech’? And which is more dangerous-censorship or unfettered speech?
What did the guy yell at 17:08?
I like Cheese
I think you should debate Sam Seder. I'm losing more and more respect for you.
definitely censorship
My Crowder fix! 🖒😂🕇🇺🇸
She didn't realize that she agreed with him, because in her mind she was so determined to disagree with him.
Amelia EverythingBabyNames that’s what sucks about people that want to come into a conversation and don’t want their mind to be changed. Even if they do agree with you it won’t happen because they already have made up their mind.
true. He even hinted at her multiple times, but her ego i guess speaks louder
Love your vid
Well explained!
@Zee she is the school marm stereotype. "Something must be done! I don't know what or how, but I know someone needs to do something immediately!"
These people have obviously never been in a modern warfare 2 server
This is great, they wouldn't be able to handle it
Try rainbow six, oh boy even I couldn't stand the free trial.
Truuu tru
Honestly bro lmfao AGREE
Modern warfare or black ops I've been called nigger how many times I'm brown skin so I had grown ass white dudes saying I have shit on my skin and I was only like 13 those motherfuckas was ruthless they definitely can't handle that lol 😂 😂😂 😂
It’s just shocking to me that these students are actively trying to take their own rights away.
Yep.
The institutions that are in place have done an 3xcellent job at priming generations of people to accept the prwellian world of 1984, and ots coming. Lol
"Ignorance is strength"
Founding fathers would be proud
The masses are asses.
The first guy is a clear example of how you can have different opinions and be respectful
But in the end they agree. I think this shows how people are scared to express their opinion publicly
@@BOLBify its just difficult to change your opinion and be humbled in general
First guy was not real 😂
How can I be expected to be respectful to someone who wishes to shutter my speech, take away my human rights, take away any chance of regaining ANY form of political representation, and even punish me and discriminate against me by law, purely for my thoughts, opinions, etc.
There is a time to be respectful. And there is a time to fight for what's right. Like the lives of children, basic human rights, your culture being destroyed.
I don't need to be respectful. That's the whole fn point. RESPECT IS EARNED NOT GIVEN.
The problem is people are confusing emotions with logic
mattanasio73 I agree. They've been conditioned to react based on their emotions. ( and they call conservatives reactionaries, lol ) I'm willing to bet that the majority of their professors discourage critical thinking, rationality and logic in general. This is why we hear students say things like, "I don't debate fascists." The traditional method of using a cogent argument to refute an opposing idea has been replaced with a clichéd, ubiquitous knee-jerk reaction that can only be based on emotion. They've essentially "unlearned" logic at these "institutes of higher learning." It Is by design that they're entering the world entirely dependent on authority and lacking even a vague concept of what it means to have agency.
That’s absolutely insane that their IQ is that low for that to happen....also brainwashed
"Passion rules reason." --Wizard's 3rd Rule.
"Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie."
--Wizard's 5th Rule.
"The most important rule, is the Wizard's Sixth Rule: the only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. The first law of reason is this: what exists, exists, what is, is and from this irreducible bedrock principle, all knowledge is built. It is the foundation from which life is embraced."
"You can destroy those who speak the truth, but you cannot destroy the truth itself" --Wizard's 12th Rule.
“There have always been those who hate, and there always will be.”
--Wizard's 14th Rule.
“In this world, everyone must die. None of us has any choice in that. Our choice is how we wish to live.”
--Wizard's 15th Rule.
300th like😊
That's called Democrats, sjws, or liberals
Debate girl: I do this for fun.
Steven's mind: I do this for a living.
Haha 😂
Nice
Oof!!!! Love this comment.
She did extremely well, wasn't off the cuff and clearly researched and prepared before hand but she held her own better than anyone I've seen him interview thus far.
@@ChikeBrinkley
She mostly used buzz words that impressed you while actually saying very little.
@@ChikeBrinkley did we listen to the same discussion? She couldn't give any specifics, just vague, intangible, generalities. That's a good sign she did no research on the topic.
She used a lot of words to say very little and really relied on her use of "intelligent" words - - primarily status quo and rhetoric, which she used A LOT - - but words, that are not often used outside the debate stage. If you're alert to it, you can see most people do this to try and sound intellectually superior to whoever they're debating (or everyone), and lots of people side with them literally because they sound smart.
And she asked a lot of questions... Nothing wrong with asking questions, but you must have answers to the questions you're asked, not just turn it back to the other person.
Her: "I'm in the debate team"
Crowder: "I'm about to ruin this lady's whole career"
That first conversation was really cool. The dude walked up with the intention of changing Steven's mind but as they talked and rationalized their viewpoints he realized that he actually completely agreed with Steven.
I'd kill to have Crowders way of discussing. Gift of the golden tongue.
Easy way to argue when you think about it. Define your words and the opinion you have, be specific, give objective examples, separate emotion from your argument.
@@IvnValmont I always assume I could do much better than Crowder, but then when I have to communicate with someone, My Mouth Stops Obeying My Brain
@@zacharymcleod460 read, read, think, talk to yourself and repeat, j improved the way j argue by doing this (and calmly)
@@SomeOtherRegularGuy Yeah I used to talk to myself, but then I felt like it was weird. so I stopped. But I guess I did myself dirty
This debate could be ended with one question: “Are you okay with Donald Trump deciding what speech YOU go to jail for?”.
Start packing up, our work here is done.
This comment deserves more attention
Lmao surprised such a common sense question isn't raised in this.
I'm going to borrow that if you don't mind fucking good point would be like a silver bullet to these libtards
Best comment of all
You, sir, just nailed it.
The Russian girl is a conservative, she just doesn’t know it.
Melissa Bates she’s a baddie too. I’m sure she knows that though
@@keeganlicko8572 Yeah most Russians are. Beautiful people
@@keeganlicko8572 How gay are you?
@@charon_lix bruh she is finneee
we don't want her.
"I don't believe in censorship " while she is trying to make a case FOR censorship. I swear these people never second guess their own thought processes 😭
The government is smart in what they're doing. Making the loudest majority of people actively want their rights taken away. It's honestly brilliant.
That's because they only know what to think, not how to think. They've been inundated with circular logic and groupthink. This is 1984 for real.
What thought process?
“… among the many negative characteristics of the Left, the most prominent is stupidity.” (translated from Polish philospher B.Wolniewicz)
To her credit she was not emotional and was polite all the way
What amazes me about this girl is she's willing to put the power in in the government and then she says how bad it is in Russia doesn't she get the irony
What amazes me is how he never pointed out that her whole argument is that we should tip toe around crazy people who can't handle what other people say instead of teaching them from the beginning that words should never have that kind of power over you in the first place! This shouldn't even be an argument our species could be so much ahead of our time but instead were stuck In a never ending argument with each other about feelings.
As a Russian we don't claim her 🤮
@@maxthc3648 Her argument is basically this: person A told person B that if he jumped from a 5 story building, he wouldn't fall down due to gravity and die. Instead he'd fly. So, since crazy person A said so, person B decided to act on it. In her logic, person A should be responsible for the outcome. That's ridiculous. In the end, the only person responsible, is person B. He was the one who decided to do it. Her logic is illogical.
@@ohklahoma7376 Yeah but still she was wrong but she was polite and tried to explain logicly even if that logic is bad
@@ohklahoma7376 exactly. What's funny is in society people like this say that theirs a deep rooted systemic racism in our country, yet would allow our government who they say are hurting minorities to have power on what you can say.....
“I don’t think the founding fathers knew what it was like to be a minority group”…..they were literally oppressed by the world’s largest empire……
But they white. They think All white people are bad.
LMAO
@@KrisD007 what’s it like being the minority group that is being a internet troll? I wouldn’t know
@@Savitar-dk6gw he say THEY think that. Read the full comment before you pounce, bro, you are making conservatives look bad.
“YOURE A WHITE MALE!!!
College kids think they're the answer to society
No joke. In undergrad I knew people who thought they were experts in physics, biology, chemistry etc. they all know everything and that’s why they are going to school.
Dylan they didn’t go to school to learn they went to confirm that they’re geniuses
I know I sure thought so
As a college student i can say that it's really only bad at the big name universities.
They’re brainwashed
The second lady's whole argument is pretty much that some people are too sensitive and cant handle what other people say so we should punish ourselves and tip toe around the crazy people instead of teaching them from the start that you should never let someone else's words hold that much power over you to begin with.
Literally 😂😂
This is actually one of the best episodes. Lots of productive discussions.
The two women on this episode were actually very civil and productive and I really enjoyed hearing from them.
Michael Scott: "I am the victim of a hate crime."
Stanley: "That's not what a hate crime is"
Michael: "Well, I hated it. A lot. OK?"
God bless you sir, that is the most relevant quote ive seen.
Yesssss!!!!!!
How can it be a hate crime when I loved doing it :3
Lol
should it be illegal to be openly racist? NO IT SHOULDNT
"I'm on the debate team, so..."
-Crowder then goes on to systematically dismantle every argument she poses.
Priceless
To be honest Crowder does prepare weeks in advanced with sources, stories, and statistics while everyone who debates him doesnt get time to prepare at all. If the others where given the topic and the same time allotted they would have counter points and counter statistics to be able to back up their words instead of the "I feels or I thinks" that usually happens then crowder just spouts off some numbers and cites and the other person cant debate that because they have no information.
@@mamodokod4613 he has a day job. He does a daily podcast and is a very busy man.
Also, there is one of him challenging an entire crowd. If you aren't confident in your ability to argue a point, don't step up to the plate.
You know he knows his facts. Don't rush in if you don't have a solid argument.
@@mamodokod4613 honestly a lot of these change my mind segments are more rooted in fundamental presuppositions and not data and statistics. He’s challenging axioms and in doing so, sometimes challenges their statistics. Being able to support your presuppositions is necessary to have a belief in the first place so he is pointing out the fallacies ingrained in people’s ideologies
@@mamodokod4613 Doesn't get time? he sits there for hours andn they have smart phone... it's not hard to research something in an hour or 2... crowder has the information, don't blame him because the others don't...
She did get him on the "parametricize" word! HAHA LMAO Only thing she beat Steven in. Other than that, her circular arguments were exhausting. She kept bashing her head into her own wall. College kids. They just listen to BS propogated by "smart people" and will defend it like this without really even believing it. Wow.
These kids need to learn that freedom isn’t free. It comes at a price.
Hear, hear!
They’re about to find out if things keep progressing with China And Russia.
*"Freedom costs a buck oh fiiiiiiive"*
-Team America
"I'm on the debate team, I do this for fun".
All her answers "uhhh uhhh uhhh, fear mongering"...
“Define hateful rhetoric...”
“Ummm...rhetoric that is hateful...”
10/10 debate team skills
Liberal logic. And she is probably touted as "an intellectual debater"
Check out the big brain on Braaadddd
@@calebhebert650 "I don't remember asking you a gotdamn thing!"
One of the FIRST things you learn in school is when you'e trying to define a word, you neveruse that word in the defnition itself. How can you mess up that badly?
@@artlover5060Sigh. It's called a circular definition and despite your protestations of it being an implied peccadillo in speech, it is fact a logically coherent and pragmatic way of speaking. It assumes a previous understanding of the word/s that is being asked to be explained. An example might be the multi-word term 'mobile phone, explicated as a 'phone that is mobile'. This is an appropriate and logical response, provided the correct circumstance is in motion.
If you want to talk about poor debating skills, just consider the affirmative - Hate Speech isn't Real. Hate speech is CERTAINLY real. In fact, many people in this very comment section have uttered it. The question is how hate speech should be governed, IF at all.
Crowder is a buffoon. As much as I despise radical leftist and their attempts to balkanize public discourse, Crowder and his acolytes are just irresponsible in their tactics. I wish I was on this campus. I would have destroyed him here AND his 'Donald Trump is not a racist' segment.
Pssh. What an amateur.
“Crowder is a virgin”
He’s literally married and has children
It was a heated joke 🤦🏽♂️
B More if you’re in college and still making “this person is a virgin” jokes chances are you’re still a virgin
Crowders hot, tall, and smart as f_ck, and tall lol
Will have children...they’re still cooking in utero 😊
@@pineapplegirl8078 did he happen to announce the gender(s) of the twins yet?
She put her foot in it the instant she said "Hateful rhetoric directly correlates with or creates violence". Correlation is not causation. There is no one going about peaceably through life, who becomes violent ONLY because they heard someone express hateful rhetoric. They first witness violence, sometimes as a victim, repeatedly and over a long period of time, before they go and replicate that behaviour. The hateful speech may fan the fire, but it's not the fuel.
@@tracygrant7931ah think before you start talking. When he said correlation is not causation no where did they say correlation never means causation. Come on this is high school level thinking.
Ice cream sales tend to rise as drowning rates rise. Does this mean ice cream causes drowning!!!! No, they are correlated as in you can say an increase of ice cream sales is a sign that drownings may be on the rise as well. However, both of these are caused by increasing temperatures.
Ice cream sales and deaths by drowning have correlation but one is not the cause.
The first three people all held different viewpoints but had a civil conversation and even though they still disagreed found some common ground. Imagine society if universities promoted these types of conversations instead of trying to ban them bc of the few who find it offensive.
Felicia doesn’t attack people for their political views but still holds strong political views of her own. Felicia is reasonable. Be like Felicia.
1slena blew my mind a rational democrat
She was in iowa my home state it’s a decent state of decent people makes me proud to be from there
Felicia...come join us! 👌
Id hang out with Felicia. She seems funny and smart. Good on her for standing for her morals
Depending on the topic though maybe she should, if something is backed by facts and someone doesn't believe those facts or atleast takes those into account then maybe she should. However, there are some political views that are based emotion and those should not be attacked unless some kind of fact comes in to play.
The first guy just wanted to talk to Steven.
*Change my mind*
Tbf i kinda just want to talk to Steven
You’re name isn’t working out very well
Matthew Gallego true but I mean he still has more than you
Alive 2 Long I’m trying to get him more subs, reverse psychology
Matthew Gallego big brain time
love this first guy. He seems like a really cool guy and open to Steven and his point of view.
He's a dipshit too.
He verbally abused his pregnant (former) wife for not doing her “wifely duties” at 8 months pregnant with twins lol, he’s pathetic
The 1st young man was very polite. He was able to have a conversation without going insane with rage.
"It's Okay to be White | Change My Mind"
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@ Jake It is not okay just because "white" people have pushed civilization forward, everyone wants to flood into white countries, they tend to have a higher IQ then most other groups, when their societies retain homogeneity they flourish, they created democracy, and a plethora of other positive things. Sometimes they point these things out and that makes it not ok.
@jack chester I think that is the opposite of funny, it is dangerous , self hating, and misinformed. ..not by you, by them
I enjoyed the first kid. He was answering questions and asking them as well in a respectful manner. Obviously, he was nervous, but I enjoy adult conversations like that. Kudos to him for getting up there.
Oh shit! Love the channel, man.
First kid took the opportunity to actually articulate his argument, discovered the flaws in his reasoning & acknowledged those flaws. That's beautiful.
urmaker honestly it wasn’t that obvious either, he didn’t stutter or embarrass himself either, the only/major reason I knew he was nervous because he said he was.
Love your channel, never thought I'd see you here though lol!
Honestly all of them were pretty respectful, even the last guy, he just had a very different world view
'I'm on the debate team' and i use the word LIKE every fifth and sixth word in my sentences...
It's a question of honesty, of frankness.
Let people say what they think, that what you know what they believe.
"Out of the mouth comes the content of the heart"
Crowder: “Gravity exists.”
The last guy: “I want to see evidence.”
Larno Larno that is called genius debating. It is nuance which is why you don’t get it 😂😂
Give me the source! I need a scholarly article! Brah, you're gonna argue that nazi germany wasn't a thing?
He clearly doesn't understand the concept of falsification. A scientific theory is never proved right, it's just never falsified. So Crowders claim is legitimate: He has a large set of observations that supports his claim, and none that doesn't. An opposing view should therefore present at least one examples that falsifies Crowders claim. This is basic Karl Popper scientific theory. The psychology guy is an accurate demonstration of what it means to be a marxist: You deny that the world has certain qualities that everyone can observe, and try to change the landscape so that it fits with you map. This is also the reason why every marxist society has failed: None are based on any scientific or logical construction that can be observed, and all of them are based on the most irrational and least developed parts of the human psyche.
@@jeremysmith9694 "Google it" - Chenk.
🤣🤣🤣🤣. Finally yungr was good for something.
Darth Plagueis false you just don’t get it. It is nuance
So "Punch a Nazi" can be considered as Hate Speech because it is aimed against a Minority Group?
Well maybe in Canada or the UK
Actually, "punch a nazi" would fall under the call to action. Furthermore, "nazi" would need to be defined due to its overuse it today's environment. Either way, it is still a call to action.
Well Nazi by today's standard is anyone who isn't on the radical left
No it's a "call to action" where the outcome is aimed violence towards another, and that is a crime not hate speach. (Edit) nazis should get punched all the way to oblivion.
So it is somehow a hate CRIME. Because the religion of Hitler those Nazislms are a race. *irony off*
That first kid really wanted that hug....And I think needed it. Nice kid, just needs a big brother like Steven to guide him.
Imagine if someone took her words out of context. Then they felt inspired and acted out physical harm on anyone who disagreed with what she just said.
That’s the problem. You cannot be asked to answer for what exists in the minds of crazy people who act out evil in the name of someone else’s words.
That’s why a direct call to action is where you draw the line.
Otherwise they would stop conversations from happening like this eventually.
Please Mr. Crowder for the next change my mind you should do "black people can be racist too" change my mind
We know blacks can be racist, white American gov. officials have just always been racist against blacks that’s why white racism is highlighted more. Plus there is a larger white population so there is more racism from them. How is this not obvious? Why do white Americans play dumb when it comes to America’s racial history? Like wtf ☠️☠️
I’m glad you’re expressing yourself clown 😩😩 don’t let anyone stop you!
Because that is what it is history. Are you slave? Were your parents slaves? Were your grandparents slaves? Yes racism does exist, but if I went in the "hood" for lack of a better word, would it be OK for a person that does not like me Because I am white to say racially slanderous words to me for asking the time of day. If I complained about that I would be the laughing stock everywhere. If I switched positions in this scenario, I would be the jerk of the year and be all over the news, possibly sued or procecuted if local laws permitted. I have seen friends of mine do things to accomdate in good faith people of other racial backgrounds and cultures, only to be called racists in the end. Then I have other friends who remained true to who they were, and we're not disrespectful of other people, and we're still called racist anyway. So two blanket most white people as racist is as ignorant as saying, all black people eat fried Chicken and watermelon and are stupid. Or all Mexicans are illegal and on welfare. Blanket statements do not fix anything, and only cause a call to action by the weak-minded imbeciles Who Cannot differentiate who the true evil people are. Racism is a individual issue, it is not as big as what people say it is. The ones who say it is so huge, are the ones who insist on being professional victims or are trying too hard to fit in with other professional victims.
I’m not black fat ass
Oh and what nice things did your white friends do that had people screaming racist at them?
Two immigrants having civil discourse and practicing their own freedom of speech here in the U.S.A now that is America
Not really. Today's "immigrants" didn't make America; settlers, pioneers, and immigrants from more than a century ago did. The immigrants coming over now are just leeching off an already successful nation.
Things to Know Dont Screw up dude
As an immigrant, this made me shed a tear
@@How2MakeAGirlSquirt just as Americans settlers took advantage of the natives not having developed technology to compete in warfare, resulting in genocide. But oh boy this generation is just leeches and monsters, unlike the 50s when racism was rife, or 20s when mafias were rampant, or 1800s when children died from black lung. Man why can't modern day be like that... (My point is every generation has done somethong shity and you shouldn't blame the current generations for not being born when that work was being done, it's stupid.)
DEPORT THEM. NO COATS. DON'T GIVE THEM THEIR COATS.
I Could watch this one all day. Beautiful, peaceful, respectful, intellectual discourse. Bravo!!!
I really love these change my mind things. So great.
Amy Schumer isn’t funny change my mind
Whats__A__Movie Don’t need too because it’s the truth 😂
Crickets
I don#t think you will find anyone to say otherwise.
@Most Deadest Pool of em All. funnier than anything shes done
@Most Deadest Pool of em All. bro that pussy has teeth tho, change my mind. #smashatyourownrisk
350k views in 9 hours...and not trending.
But hey, Ellen's clip with 350k views in 24 hours is ....good job TH-cam
I wonder why, hhrrrmmmm?
Blue things goooooddd! Red things baaaaaddd!
Big mystery....
@@thebatman4279 You separated rug 'muching' and lesbo... is she actually eating floor coverings?
@@michaelhutchinson1789 It wouldn't surprise me tbh.
Great talk. Very nice to see a respectful discussion.
Love playing, "spot the security waiting to bounce"!
Get em Crowder!
That girl literally agreed with him but had such a ego she couldn’t admit it😂
She completely agrees with him. Her saying that there should be some legislation but then not being able to name a single way to do so without going against free speech just shows that her on view point isn’t completely set in stone and kind of contradicts herself. She was good though, she had a good debate.
@@Richardson_mma "anyone but Trump" voter right there. Hope they like the literal burning dumpster fire they made.
@@Aaroncarter95 “America is a nation that can be defined in a single word: Asufutimaehaehfutbw.” - Joe Biden.
But admit it, shes hot. Id bend her over my carhood outside a cólege bar ag 2am🤣🤣
@@tatotaytoman5934 🤣🤣 God that's so sad
I feel like the Russian girl talks a whole lot without saying much.
She kept walking circles around Steven's point. Every time he'd ask her a probing question, which would bring the convo closer to a conclusion, she'd back out and continue circling. It's incredible to watch.
yes, pseudeo debating-expert....
That's how u win speeches, by trapping your opponents with questions they can't answer
Learn how to understand multiple syllable words and watch this again there chief.
She’s like Ben Shapiro with a vagina
Grateful for you, Steven.
I always say that I'm responsible for what I say, not for what you make out of it.
Black hair Russian chick. She agreed with 99% of what steven said. But couldn't admit to it.
And using large words doesn't make you smarter. You're talking in circles
She's book smarts. That's it
drinking game: take a shot everytime she says perpetuates rhetoric
She's really cute, though, so she's got that going for her
I mean she admitted to it at the end. It took awhile, but she came around.
@@califilipino she came around in her own way. But she just couldn't say "crowder you are right"
WEIRD, when I typed in "Hate speech isn't real change my mind" Steven Crowder's video did NOT show up at the top results, even though it has millions of views with thousands of likes and comments.
Alejandro hooray youtube censorship!
I had to try this for myself.
I performed the same search as you and did not find this video.
I then added "stevencrowder" to the search and it still wasn't the first result.
It was the 17th result despite this video having over 4.5 million views, the first result was
"Leftist EXPLODES on Crowder Over Idea of People Having 'Free Speech' I Louder with Crowder" some video by BlazeTV that only has 357 thousand views.
This is ridiculous!
The SEEM to have corrected it, but it's pretty alarming. Especially when you consider that the channel is ONLY deranked in the US with an election coming up.
American TH-cam demonetization for ya
For me it did, that’s weird
How can Steven be so badass and nonchalant in every situation?
The clips of the staff helping set up in the begging are great, literally made me laugh when he flashed the sign and put it away quickly 🤣🤣🤣
America: we let u say what u want
Lefties:NO
Ok that your opinion
@@johnabraham3109 what?
(TH-cam auto deleted this fucking comment so im reposting it edited)
If you believe the gov grants rights instead of protecting natural rights, you essentially believe h i t l e r did nothing wrong. His gov just revoked people's rights to life, liberty and property.
@@---tw6qk So now can't we type the name 'h-i-t-l-e-r' without being censored? Dafuq TH-cam??
@@franky_saint ridiculous right? Not like it has "heil" before it...even then who cares? SCARY LETTERS IN THE WRONG ORDER
I love how college students speak like they’re so intelligent, yet they say the dumbest things. lol
Man this is why I do stem, and I hate my peers, they’re full of themselves and most don’t have a full schedule and consider themselves victims. Like man you have no idea
Like how she says she's literally on the debate team, and everyone goes "ooohhh" thinking she's going to be some force to reckon with....when the entire world outside of university has 1000 fold the experience of any such student who is simply learning it for the first time. lol
@@genny1814 I concur. I did chem engineering, and at uni we used to just laugh at those mickey mouse degree fools. It does annoy me a bit when people tar all students with the same brush.
and they grow up and run for office
They do say dumb things but it’s because they lack of experience in the real world. They are full of piss and vinegar until reality gets a hold of them
Love your stuff crowder!
As a black man, it is much better when people can be openly racist so you can CHOOSE to avoid them rather than worrying about if someone is hiding their racism because there is criminal consequence.
That actually makes a lot of sense
That is exactly how I see it. It's better to know who your enemies are.
Ding ding ding thank you
Damn. Knowledge is power. Bunch of ego junkies looking for a fix is the problem.
I'm a racist, I'll be open about that. So you'd avoid me. And that's fine. But your perspective on me being able to be racist without me having to be arrested makes sense and you make a good point. Unfortunately, I live in the UK so I can't be openly racist because I'd lose my job and I'd end up in court. It's oppressive here for people like me.
Her: "I'm a pro at debate"
Crowder: "Define hateful rhetoric"
Her: "Rhetoric that is hateful"
*Perfect*
That’s some big brain shit
Comments like these are antithetical to the format of Change My Mind. There’s a reason Steven doesn’t do sound bytes or gotchas; it’s dishonest and misrepresents somebody’s point of view. The Russian girl doesn’t deserve this kind of misrepresentation, it’s a courtesy Steven offered her and I would encourage that commentgoers do the same.
riffrocker hey, shes technically not wrong 🤷🏽♂️ hateful rhetoric would indeed be considered rhetoric that is *hateful*
@@maddisonsullivan5806 ...yes and a redundant sentence is truly a sentence that is redundant.
Love your videos Steven. Keep spreading logic, truth and rationale.
Thank you.
We are all people at the end of the day, and that's what Crowder offers every single time. He's so awesome for offering people the ability to just speak their mind. This is still just such a cool concept.
Hello from 2021. Just a gentle reminder: someone disagreeing with you on political policy (or in general) isn’t hate speech.
For now..........
or racism, or sexism, or fascism, or pro-life
Yes! Gentle 🤣
Valar Morghulis 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🙏🏽
Here after people with certain political opinions are banned from twitter
The first guy Steven talked to was an ideal person to have a conservative conversation with. He was extremely respectful and understands how to have a respectful conversation.
I think the dark-haired girl was respectful too, she never said anything rude or passive-aggressive
His parent hit him right.
@@moloviorlsv5484 lol
There's better people out there
He was an apologist, a conformist, a sheep... the first dude. There was no actual conversation, bc all be says is "racist is rude" repeatedly
Absolutely love everything you stand for crowder! This is so important to educate people on these topics and not shut down speech just because someone doesn’t agree. TCU should be embarrassed for defending the students from a level of UNBIASED education that they won’t even receive from the university. Your probably the most important media member we have today crowder… thank you for helping all people from all walks of life. -New York
I know this video is old, but it's still very helpful and educational today in 2024. Thanks, Steven, for your dedication and hard work with these specials. I like the idea that we can all have a different viewpoint, but that shouldn't mean we can't have calm, rational discussions and be open to having our minds changed. And it's important to be knowledgeable and informed if you're going to do it, and you've demonstrated to me that you're extremely intelligent and informed, and I agree with most things you assert. This is definitely one of the topics I agree with, and just for context, I was raised conservative republican, and I still hold most of thise values and views, but I also have some left views, so I guess I'm somewhere in between, but probably a bit more to the right. I just like how.. that really doesn't matter when it comes to sitting down and having a discourse with you. You wouldn't judge me based on my place on the political spectrum, you would merely want me to be informed or to justify my view with facts
FAX can we both agree that phd doesnt mean your smart and this video proves it? does it have to do with steven having a higher iq?
My AR15 identifies as a bolt action change my mind
XD That's the best!
ATF: That’s all we need to hear 😤
Yeah better put it on a leash before it decides it wants to run of and kill someone
I mean it has a bolt so I’ll allow it.
Fully semi-automatic!
I don’t understand why people can’t grasp the idea that Government can’t force people to be “good”
Exactly
Oh see here’s where you’re wrong.
According to these people, all you need is a new, never before seen, perfectly infallible and completely just, magic government that never ever gets anything wrong to regulate people’s thoughts.
Never mind that government is inherently corrupt and that fact can be easily demonstrated though history. This time it’s TOTTALLLLYYYYY gonna work.
@@joelsefur666
but it's only going to work if they themselves were in charge, because they alone know what's good for everyone. raising children to believe they are perfect, special and destined for greatness was a mistake, just like giving them participation trophies...
As an outsider who sees US news stories I am fully aware the government isnt forcing people to be good 😂
Governments only role is to protect people’s rights that is all and insure public order
ooo goshhh I love this series
Glad I never went to college seems like a nightmare
I barley made it through highschool and these kids make me feel like I graduated Harvard University and earned a degree in common sense.
Comment checks out. Proof: He spelled "barely" as "barley". Bet you are from a farmer state? (love the comment btw, I feel the same way)
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
It could also be horrible predictive text/autocorrect. The times I read the messages I’ve sent and realize how stupid I sound🤦🏻♂️
@@AlejandroRodriguez-cn9wq anytime you oppose the view of a democrat and they cant debate, then they start grading your comments based on spelling and punctuation. lol yeah i cant weigh in on the conversation because im not a good speller.....
I think we should make fun of people who get emotional while debating in public
"There's a difference between hate speech and speech that you hate" Tom Macdonald
Specifically, it's virtually impossible to clearly identify hate speech but it's relatively effortless to identify speech you hate.
I LOVE YOU I LOVE TOM MACDONALD!! you made my day
YES! Tom hit the nail on the head there. Thanks for pointing that out!
yes… i do hate racism
@@goondocksaints9597 no
Love these debates and video's! If only more people in this country used common sense instead of emotionally disorganized thoughts under the assumption reality.
For a person who is on the debate team she sure says "like" quite often
Russian girl doesn’t realize that murder is already illegal😂
But someone can argue that the direct speech to kill someone is a sarcasm or is a joke. Just like incase of PewDiePie. So where is the line between direct speech to cause action and indirectly hating or a joke. Please explain
@@owaiswasim8911 again, in case of Pewds, that was a call for action (even as a joke), it's not speech. Please, google the definition of speech first.
Even worse, her ideas to control what others post on social media are the same as the Russian government.
People don’t cause someone to do hateful behavior because of their words. This Russian chick thinks she is still in Russia.
@@owaiswasim8911 that's why ANY solicitation of violence is a crime, even if said as a joke. Similarly, any threat of violence is, legally speaking, assault.
Props to the guy with a sign "alexa play despacito"
True winner
I'm surprised it wasn't a "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" sign
Where is he?
@@xy-hh2cs 40:56
@SAV AGE was ist nicht schlecht?
@@jlav2170 thx
I love these it's incredible what your doing
Good work bro!
That debate team girl leaned more about debating in 10 minutes with Crowder than in her college career. He kept bringing her back to the inconsistencies and ambiguity of her argument
The problem is she's defined hate speech as something different to the interviewer.
She believes the Lefty BS that bad speech definitely is to blame for specific acts of violence. She said about 5 times, "Yeah, protect free speech, but there has to be some sort of line drawn." That's the intellectual equivalent of "The media says this society problem exists for this reason, so Duh!!! We have to do SOMETHING about it to make it better....!!!"
I think you're correct" professor Crowder".... That does have a ring to it 😉
Steven: I think we agree
Woman: Well yes but no
hey fbi, i hope you don't mind all that she-male stuff on my pc...
@@teddyrodgers5917 Your personal agent has informed us about it.. we are greatly disappointed
F.B.I yeah I have noticed that a lot of the people that end up agreeing with him are reluctant to agree to the conclusion that they agree. Confusing sentence but you get it.
Impersonating a federal officer of any kind is illegal, That includes the F.B.I
@@thebluelightforce5939 I'm not impersonating a federal officer as 'fbi' is an organization of a sort including more than 1 officer and also would you mind getting a sense of humor as it is obvious that I'm not the FBI it's just a joke
This will never happen, but how great would it be if every high school watched these! I knew absolutely nothing about politics when I was in high school. It wasn't until I was in my 20's that I decided to look into things myself. It was right after 9/11. I was starting to notice that things weren't adding up, and a friend of mine sparked my interest.
So far the first two seem pretty sane. Its refreshing. Even though I disagree, they are just having a civil conversation.
the girl in the black hair literally agreed with almost everything
Did you just say the B word?!?!
Hi npesta
@@yeshuat1399 and the G word. Maybe it identifies as something else. Can't assume now a days it's to hateful 😂
You dont know what color her hair identifies as prick
I'm jus over here looking at the blonde holding the sign
The Russian girl comes across as rather intelligent and well-spoken, yet her arguments are convoluted and absurd. That’s really quite terrifying. The indoctrination is so profoundly impactful and effective...
I think she was just arguing for fun. Like she said when she walked up. As part of a debate team Crowder would be great practice even if it's a losing arguement. But what do I know
At the end she said she does agree with Crowder
Yea it’s a scary thing when even smart people get indoctrinated
It seems to me that debate courses are teaching that the secret to debate now is to not really say anything at all.
she was confusing social stigma and legal law
Awesome job again
Imagine if the debate girl was not allowed to say rhetoric.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
-Evelyn Beatrice Hall
I like that quote
Amen
@William Baker kudos to you knowing that, too!
Very wise and from this point forward I'm using this against liberals all the time!!👍👍👍 Thank you for the ammo 💛👍🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲 it is very prolific!!!!🤓☝️
i thought that was voltaire
Half these people in Change My Mind end up agreeing with him, only theyre too stubborn to admit it🤣
Yep. I think they try to intellectually defeat him, fail...and are left with their 'feelz' but dont know how to debate it further. Hopefully they will examine their feelings vs what they intellectually know to be true, and improve their logical skills. Too much emotions in intelligent debates tbh
....and im not harshin on the kids, they are on a campus, so it is nice to see them running out of emotional arguments to realize they have no factual data to bring to the topic. Good food for thought
Bruh I saw a subreddit on how he's a prick and that all his facts are wrong lmao and then calling him a virgin and how he waited till his marriage bruh all of them seem like a high school bully who now work in McDonald's lmao typical redditors ig
@@oldarthurmorgan6319 it’s reddit. A bunch of fat nerds who sit on computers all day.
Because they’re all misinformed liberals
@@oldarthurmorgan6319 ohhh you saw on Reddit huh? An Internet forum full of unemployed liberals that make memes all day? They must know the truth.
We The People 🇺🇲 thank you Steven for facing this tyranny head on. Keep fighting we are behind you.
As far as indirect calls to violence: we are all responsible for our own actions. If someone’s hate speech influences you to commit a crime, you are at fault. Free will. You committed the crime, you’re responsible.
"I'm on the debate team"
Says "like" every other word and "unequivocably" several times. 👌
Bravo J,LIKE not a chance is LIKE a master debater,LIKE well she is attractive maybe that's why LIKE they push her out there,LIKE I'm not sure.LIKE your comment.
She is so used to using big words and speed in her speech that confuses most people in her age bracket but Crowder drills down her broad argument into a narrow corridor and she gets more flustered and realized she wasn't nearly as strong in an on the fly debate as she is at studying for a debate....
And “rhetoric” 🙄
She also says "misconstrue." She uses vocabulary to hide behind her lack of knowledge and ideas. Furthermore she uses it to hide her logic failure. Notice when she at last 'answers' the question to what legislative action should be taken she all the sudden backs down and says I'm not a politician or a legislator.
I like how she used big words as if that helped the debate lol
The solution to hate speech is far worse than the problem.
Exactly!
I don't see hate speech as a problem. If somebody hates something and wants to talk about it, ok. There are people spewing hate against white cis males which bothers me but I think they are idiots so let em.
ah, reality. You see it, yes?
The solution to hate speech is to put on your big boy undies and quit letting “mean words” get to you like a functional adult.
that might be the single best comment ever written in the history of the internet
First guy was very respectful!
so insane how eager some people are to give up their rights
"I'm on the debate team"
*like..like like...like..like.......like like like...like*
Hateful rhetoric 🤬
I'm a debater, too. Sometimes, words like "like", "uhh", "well" help us to keep on track when we're talking and help us to not lose our train of thought.
Using "filler words" is extremely common in debate, and unless you're REALLY overdoing it (which she wasn't) you're fine. As long as the other sides understands what you're trying to say, there is no point in bringing attention to it. Honestly, this particular comment section is full of ad hominem towards her, and for what? Imo she did a great job, kept an open mind, was eloquent and well-spoken. As if you could do any better.
@@anahrsak4793 You don't know how I would have done, so calm your tits. Debating isn't some supernatural skill that few people possess. Most people debate without the need for excessively using filler words. Most people use the filler "like" when they can't really articulate their points well and aren't very confident in what they are saying. People in college are taught not to do this and to always be self-aware. I remember a professor actually giving an entire lesson on the subject and why people do it.
Better debaters pause and gather their thoughts before speaking, instead of running through talking points with filler words between the sentences.
@@anthony452 i agree that filler words aren't exactly a sign of a great debater, but my point was they aren't a sign of a bad debater either. She didn't stop or get lost while speaking and her points came across loud and clear, so in comparison her saying "like" a lot is irrelavant.
(And I never said debating is some magical power, idk how you managed to take that away from my comment.)
And excuse my tits for not being calm, I was writing the comment bc I was sick and tired of everyone bashing and insulting her in the comment section (and dare I say, being sexist).
@@anahrsak4793 She contradicted herself in points and argued for something she couldn't explain. She wanted legislation but couldn't provide anything more in depth than "I'm not a legislator, so I wouldn't know what the barriers should be."
You ended the first statement by acting like I wouldn't be able to handle such a conversation as well as her. It would seem that you think debating is a great skill that most people aren't capable of if your first thought is that most people aren't up to this sub-par level of it.
She didn't do well in the conversation and people called her on it in the comment section. The top comment about her says that she's a republican that doesn't know it yet. Most of the others are about how badly she handled the debate. You taking sexism away from comments that criticize her is laughable. Please, put that victim card back in the deck and present a better argument.
Using the term "like" constantly in a debate is TOTALLY relevant when you start the conversation out by letting everyone know you're on the debate team. Filler words like "like" are actively discouraged from debate team coaches to English professors.
Every Change My Mind feels like Christmas
Christos Belibasakis completely agree!
INJECT IT INTO MY VEINS
*CHANGE MY MIND YOU FILTHY ANIMAL*
An actual LoL at this comment! :)
Yehh
“Certainly” + “rhetoric” + “certainly” + “certainly” 😂
“I’m on the speech debate team.” Wow…
Edit: She didn’t have much fun.
10:26 "I'm on the speech and debate team..."
Crowd: "Oooooooooooo......"
Lady: "like...like....like....waaaaa...like....like...."
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
She's not a very good representative in this case then.
Kinda disappointed, it feels like she didn't even take her phone out for a couple seconds and find an actual source beforehand. As a former Nerdbater, I couldn't imagine going on camera without a couple sources
Strikerage I did speech and debate for 6 years in high school and watched plenty of college rounds, it’s not really that impressive
HeadWrinkle that’s just it, they think they are right and debates will be a walk in the park. They don’t test their beliefs often. She was doable though.. she might also grow from being embarrassed this way, maybe give up this shit life and pop out some kids.. good for her.
I'm on the debate team at my High school. Even for a spontaneous argument (spar), this is kinda ridiculous. If you make it to the college level, you tend to be a better speaker than this. Avoiding verbal pauses is a lesson 1 kind of thing.
"I agree with all of your points, but I don't agree with you because it's popular to hate you."
basically
You weren’t listening
Is that like "I agree with democracy but if the masses choose something I disagree with then I'm not gonna accept it"?
Exactly. She had no point to make without comming out and saying i disagree because thats the 'thing' like um....
@@simplyk8003 she basically said she wants people to get arrested for minor hurtful words, you shouldn’t be arrested for any speech at all unless it’s a call to action like “come on let’s set this guys house on fire” that actually results in the crime, shit can be abused and already is. especially when everything is considered hateful these days.we need less people in jail not more. The speech thing would effect minority’s just as much.
I understood it...they were trying to prove hate speech exists by accusing you of hate speech...mindblowing😒
Sticks and stones can break your bones but words will never hurt me