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- Oh hey, look at that I'm back! In this vehicle analysis we take a look at the Yangtze submarine from fallout 4 (also the Democracy if we are being honest). This one was a lot of fun, getting to do some fun things with nautical theming and concepts. I hope you enjoy!
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I remember seeing a theory that this sub was an old design and wasn't really expected to survive its mission. The idea being that both the US and Chinese navies had been ravaged to the point by constant combat, that both were scraping the bottom of the barrel and putting all manner of ships, even those that had previously been determined to be obsolete, into service. The Yangtze being a much older design that was retrofitted to be a SSBM, with this showing in the overall design of the sub.
the Yangtze's design reminds me of Red Alert 2's concept art for the typhoon subs. another series with some great designs.
I like how the typhoon subs from Red Alert 2 add visual intrigue while maintaining a functional shape.
Didn't Captain Zao say some of his men went on land to scavenge for supplies, which would account for some crew members not being on board.
Ps love your videos
Not sure he explicitly mentions sending scouting parties out, at least from my viewing of the dialogue sheet, but it would certainly make sense for him to have done so at some point.
Thanks I'm glad!
Would explain why there is a Vaultec lunch box in the communist sub.
The Yangtze's tubes are probably caterpillar drive tubes. Like in that movie Hunt For Red October. Basically they suck in water and push it out the back like How A squid moves through the water. Apparently its extremely quiet so that would make sense.
I like that idea given she looks so much like a squid, though I wonder where the water intakes are in that case, given I'd assume the tubes would be the siphon for directing the water for locomotion. The being quiet bit though is a bit of an odd juxtaposition with all the load screws everywhere.
@@spydingo If that were the case id suspect 2 of the forward "torpedo tubes" are not in fact torpedo tubes but intakes for such a magneto hydrodynamic propulsion system
it's hydro-magneto drive where you use electromagnet to create water jet and yes it's exactly same thing as I've thought about seeing the tubes
Magnetohydrodynamic drives aren't that quiet. Via Wkipedia:
"The film adaptation of The Hunt For Red October popularized the magnetohydrodynamic drive as a "caterpillar drive" for submarines, a nearly undetectable "silent drive" intended to achieve stealth in submarine warfare. In reality, the current traveling through the water would create gases and noise, and the magnetic fields would induce a detectable magnetic signature."
Due being 60 beds the true size of the crew would be probably be something like 120, as submarines use usually a 18 long day with 3 shifts, so usually beds are shared.
in FO76 you can see Protectrons doing a wiedling animation, so yes you are right the robots can be wielders
The tubes on the stern of the Yangtze might be from a 3.5 inch room where they they eject giant Alka-Seltzer tablets to fuck with incoming torpedoes. Obviously in reality the hole they eject the tablet from is smaller
They could be part of an escape trunk system, or even a mechanism for deploying sea mines behind the Yangtze. Past that? I mean it could be something a towed sonar array comes out of
I'd love for it to be an escape trunk system of some kind, really bothers me the sail doesn't have one.
They have finally made ladders for Starfield :)
Maybe that's the reason for the delay =P
I know in the case of metal hull ships as long as the paint stays intact the hull is protected. It’s the inner plumbing that fails first especially in the case of museum ships bc you can’t get to every single pipe like you can the hull. But 200 year old paint isn’t know for its protective abilities. also I kinda like the more technical nature of the pro con format from your other vids but I still liked this one especially the intro.
I suppose there could be some miraculous coating in the fallout universe that could mayhap last long enough, but certainly not from our universe. I suppose I shouldn't let that bother me that much though, given the alternative would be no Yangtze to explore. Thanks for the feedback!
I belive the sub may have had some sort of stealth system similar to the Stealth Suits that the Chinese Soliders use, as i belive the stealth system can reduce sound (i might need to double check that info). This probably explains how they got so close to US mainland without being detected by the US Navy
I'd be interested to know how that might function, given how badly she needs such a system.
@@spydingo yeah would definitely be interesting. As we don't know a lot about Chinese stealth tec and how far a head it was compared to the American Stealth System
@@spydingo Pam, the assaultron that "predicts" the future, mentions how there might be a submarine with the stealth technology of the stealth suits.
I believe you can find the audio log somewhere in the railroad switchboard when you're sent there to go collect carrington's prototype.
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@@spydingoI found it!
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@@spydingo Pam, the assaultron that "predicts" the future, mentions how there might be a submarine with the stealth technology of the stealth suits.
I believe you can find the audio log somewhere in the railroad switchboard when you're sent there to go collect carrington's prototype.
My last two comments that I sent disappeared after I uploaded a link proving that that log exists.
I know it's practically impossible, but could you do the ship from fallout 2. The one you use to get to the oil rig. I want to see how much you can gather from almost nothing
I'll keep it in mind to try for sure, but for now I'm going to stick to lower hanging fruit lol.
I feel like a lot of games (or maybe just Bethesda) struggle with interiors you can traverse lining up well or being the correct scale, especially for vehicles. I feel like the lack of rooms in some areas of the sub come down to the fact this is a place that one quest happens in and they probably didn't want to over crowd the location. Would have been awsome to see a layout that is completely explorable and makes sense space wise.
For sure, the interior of vehicles in games is almost always like a Tardis. Infinitely bigger on the inside lol. Agreed!
it's really not that hard to so, just takes compotant programmers and bosses
With that amount of screws I would assume that this ship is a 40+ knot speed boat, that's designed to outrun enemys instead of staying undetected.
The first thing that comes to mind looking at the Yantze is that it is not very hydrodynamic to say the least and considering it's propulsion systems it seems that it would make an incredible amount of noise due to cavitation while attaining a very high speed through brute force of propulsion. Perhaps in the Fallout universe the PLAN fielded both stealth and fast submarines and this is one of the fast ones.
The other thing that I see is the total lack of rubber tiles which would further contribute to noise.
Finally as others have said the tube would be the exit point for the reactor coolant water.
Agreed, she would be so very very loud. Maybe her design points to a technological edge for China in the nautical and aeronautical departments allowing for such a design flaw to not be crippling.
@@spydingo I just remembered one thing that might also be interesting, some submarines use "multi hull" construction with a hydrodynamic steel outer hull and a a series of connected titanium pressure vessels as the inner hull, since titanium forms a protective oxie layer the pressure vessels will not rust and therefore could survive for hundreds of years in shallow water without being maintained.
@@user-bi4wl2pn5n Huh, that's neat. I'll have to look into that. It's a shame current museum ships didn't have such a feature.
honestly the plates could have fallen off, or degraded over time. would make more sense.
now for props, they can be made to not have cavitation mostly. but they may have gone for the variant that sounds like fish or sea life to confuse american sonar. also the asset probably dosent take into account for the shape of the props cause its an obscure thing and all submarines (even ones from ww2 at times) have their props hidden to prevent someone from reverse engineering them to find the subs "fingerprint" and give it away to everone
The tubes on the side of the ship, and the reason she doesn't have a torpedo room, are that the bow tubes aren't torpedo tubes . . .
The Yangtze probably uses a static-electric caterpillar drive, as featured in the Hunt for Red October, thus explaining how she can be quiet enough to approach the US coast undetected.
I could buy that the bow tubes aren't torpedo tubes if the USS Democracy didn't exist. The Democracy shares the same openings on the bow but is missing the outputs that are present on the Yangze, assuming that's what the tubes are for.
@Spydingo could be repurchased torpedo tubes.
I assume that a video of the American sub in Far Harbor will be coming soon?
As a naval historian, I agree in that this sub just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. The stern of the ship not being accessible could theoretically make sense if it’s just made up of motors driving the shaft as well as sonar arrays while the lack of a torpedo room could signify an autoloader. There was a Swedish project to develop a nuclear powered attack sub during the Cold War that would’ve had an unmanned autoloading torpedo bay so it is possible (obviously this Swedish submarine was never built). But the layout inside the pressure hull just drove me absolutely bonkers! With the crew having to traverse the reactor room to access half the boat, no wonder they all ended up as ghouls!
tbh I like to pretend the USS Democracy doesn't exist. She doesn't really make any sense, why would two nations share the same sub design, except one is "fun sized" in comparison. I wouldn't really be surprised if that minor "redesign", if you want to call it that, was just to get her to fit in the submarine pen.
It would be pretty odd to be just motors given there is only one small screw far to the stern, but it's cool that there could be a justification for it. I really like the idea of an autoloader, just wish I felt like there was enough space remaining in the bow for it. Maybe even a bunch of custom liberty bots from fallout 76 hanging out up there loading torpedo's lol. I'm glad you agree with me on the layout, pretty wild.
@@spydingo less robots and more like a revolver style magazine if you will for the torpedoes. The stern reminds me of some of the twin screw designs of some early to mid Cold War designs
Well, in irl subs it was fairly common for crews to have to go through the engine bay (with diesel engines) to get to certain parts of the ship,
And considering these reactors have seen 200 years of wear and tear, id guess that they were actually fairly safe at the time of the war, only deteriorating after the mine hit
Modern Submarines today have digital periscopes, and the periscope "mast" in the bridge does not at all line up with where it is on the sail. This is because it is a digital system, and is preferred from a safety and maintenance standpoint (the less holes you have to poke through the sub, the better. This includes getting rid of a periscope hole)
I think this water is highly strategical! (no but for the sake of comedy) btw those "tubes" on the sides of the vessel might be for pumping out polluted water from the reactor in to the sea(but than the vessel could be easily found in the sea by the ships on the water equipped with a radiometer and i dont see any tubes on the real world submarines) but maybe chinese engineers think its more easy to "dump thé bah watah into the oshan" (no offence for the asian viewers)
That could maybe work alright, given the lack of sophisticated aircraft, and destroyers the fallout world is currently has. Though vertibirds would still be pretty dangerous if you can equip em' with depth charges.
Maybe its used to deploy depth charges also
It would make more sense to be manuvering thrusters for docking
"bAH" is also a Klingon word, which means to fire missiles or torpedoes, so I at first misread your potentially racially insensitive engrish COMPLETELY and that's funny to me
Modern submarines have closed cycle cooling systems with holes to pump in and out sea water without contamination
the tube at 9:37 may me a sea chest scoop injection vent for seawater service systems for cooling . even though its a nuclear sub like a steam plant it should have need for seawater cooling for condensers
That's a good idea, maybe that whole system is under C deck. The tubes are in an area that they could feasibly connect to the area under the reactor.
I have always like the Yangtze's shape, and I've always loved the name since DS9, still I'm interested on your thoughts about how the USS Democracy looks so similar to this chinese 'stealth' submarine, did the US (who we know was behind stealth tech from china) catch up? was the Democracy a prototype? How advanced was SLBM tech in fallout, the US still used Titan II's for their most advanced land based launchers. Many questions to be answered.
Unfortunately I think we all know the real answer
No, they look like titan 2s but they are actually called minutemen XI or 11s, much more advanced, well in yield much higher than any real world bomb, the largest Chinese weapon detonated in Los Angeles was around 20 Gigatonnes.
tbh, I like to pretend the USS Democracy doesn't exist. It just doesn't make any sense for the US to be using a "fun sized" version of the yangtze class, other than laziness and a desire to fit the asset into the sub pen.
I suppose I could try to justify it, but I'd really have to be in the mood lol.
@@spydingo my headcanon is the other way around, the Yangtze is a US sub the Chinese captured and upgraded, because all the internal markings are in English.
@@elric5371 You got a source for that?
It's worth noting that canonical the Chinese had sonar scrambling technology
The tubes in 9:28 looks like the Caterpillar system of the hunt of the red october
Great video as always, hope you are liking doing it as mutch as i am watching it!
Thank you! For the most part I think I am!
i think the tubes push water out to aid in turning the sub
great content man! cant wait to see more
Much appreciated!
I loved the video man! You've become one of my favourite channels, and I'm so excited for a rivet city video!
Also I do like the new format for your thoughts but I think I did prefer the pros and con list. Maybe you could mix the two doing the new format that seems more casual and then after showing that as the pros and cons list?
Also as a far far future video concept you could look at locations of fallout in the sense of their layout and how much sense they'd make? Like airfields of fallout or something
I'm glad to hear it!
Yeah, I found myself feeling like the pros and cons segment was a bit of a chore with the way I had been presenting it. I like your idea of hybridizing it in some way so that it can maintain its structure, while being less of a purely formulaic section. I'll keep experimenting on it!
That's also a good idea, off the top of my head I could rant about boston airport somehow landing those Horizon Monstrosities.
@@spydingo that's exactly what I thought! You could even cover things like the fo3 Adams airforce base, which speaking of, there's the huge land crawler base thing of the enclave too
@@awesomesource12 Both good Ideas, only problem is I'd have to find the time to play fallout 3 enough to get to those landmarks lol.
@@spydingo haha true, maybe Bethesda will remaster them finally and then you can do it
I always really loved the look of this sub, really interesting design even though it makes no sense. Thank you fo the video
the tubes at 09:29 could be part of the balast system for pulling and pushing water into the balast tanks
Yeah, that squid thing totally won me over XD
Always look forward to your videos
I appreciate that Colonel!
Those are big ass exhausts on the sides. Given what we know about F4 reactors, full on design at all times, it more than likely takes and blows a huge amount of cooling water.
That makes sense to me. Wish we saw some of the cooling elements in the interior to match.
Given that the rearmost propeller is much smaller than the other three, it may be a sort of "Creep Motor". Its a feature you find sometimes on older Russian subs, designed to be quieter and more efficient at slower speeds. The creep motors allow the sub to move stealthily while keeping the main propellers optimized for the high underwater speeds Russian subs are often known for.
I bet that the crew is 60+ and when the first crew started dying they were burried at sea, only when they crew was too sick or too ghoulish did the dead start to pile up.
Hey Spydingo have you thought about doing a video about the plane outside Jean skydiving I always thought it was super cool and it has a really interesting design
I haven't actually. I'll certainly consider it now that you've brought it to my attention, though it will be quite a while I bet. I'm currently working on a few videos for the Horizon franchise, and then I've got some things in the works for the Horizon skyways airliner as well.
Love it, keep it up!
Thanks! I'll certainly try.
With 60 bunks being onboard, its a possibility that the crew was closer to 100 or more if the crew was hot bunking, where two people will share a single bunk, using it as seprate times.
hot bunking would allow a theoretical number of around 180 enlisted to sleep at once in the beds, if we use ww2 era subs we can add more by having hamocks and sleeping on torpedos. and how i got the 180 is simply 60 x 3 wich is 180, 3 cause 24 hours in a day allows 3 sets of 8 hours sleep, wich in turn is the approximate amount an average person needs to sleep for to be healthy
one point to understand... if I was in hostile water I would have all things in said language because it would take time to figure out if there were spec/black operations happening in the area because of clearance. the tubes could be for water intake. don't forget fresh water can be made by distillation. or for diving. if there is a briefing room (true command/ Bridge). CIC would have been the combat information centre or center
To be fair the sub is probably rusted to hell and back bc it has been sitting in a sea water cove not moving for over 200 years with zero maintenance
Also, the tubes listed around 9:36 are probably water intake for desalination to be used for drinking water or coolant for the reactor. Right before that you said you didn't know why the railings are on the stairs outside of the sub leading to the top, the stairs are probably going to be very slick being submerged most of the time so the railing would be to help get up the stairs without slipping and breaking a neck.
That's fair. My issue with the railing is so much that there is a guiding mechanism of some kind, but that they are permanent fixtures in highlighter yellow. I would have preferred a temporary thing like chains, easily replaceable and could be removed to aid in loading perhapps.
actually you're wrong on the welding and rivet, in wartime rivet are cheapers than welding because welding needs copper and tungstene, which are also usefull to make munitions, so the rivets makes sense
The real advantage to riveting is the fact that it takes 15 minutes to make a competent riveter, becoming a decent welder takes a few days, but becoming a good riveter takes days, and becoming a good welder can take years riveting is just really effective when you lack welders, which china would certain be lacking due to the fact they are far less industrialized then the US
Originally the Yangtze was supposed to crash into an underwater vault so that’s probably why the stairs are there on it
i wonder if the periscope being where it is is a sign that is a camera rather then a traditonal periscope. side note: any one else think it would be really neat to have a modified Yangtze that replaced the tubes with cargo or somthing and was used exclusively as a transport for Black Ghost or similar special forces?
Welding and riviting are both highly specialized and skilled jobs. Welding can be far more complicated than just heating two pieces of metal.
The ferrous materials and rivets make sense--China was losing the war, I imagine resources were getting scarce.
Anyway great video :)
One thing I see when I look at this sub is that the thin section looks like it’s similar in design to U-boats or the Whiskey-Class subs used by the Soviets and sold to the Chinese in the real world. Makes me wonder if the submarine was originally meant for conventional missions, then slammed a nuclear power pack and missile tubes onto it for added tactical and first strike advantage.
Those screws make no sense though, the vibrations caused by them hitting the hull must be INTENSE.
I have a feeling virtually nobody was “signing up” for voyages at this state in the war.
Dang, type-94. 120 decibels is loud for an AC/DC concert!
I don’t know why but the top view reminds me of a hammerhead shark.
of crew size speaking, if we go for example with the us subs. They have around 3 times the crew of the amount they have beds on board cause the work in 3 8 hour shifts. so you have around 180 crewmen on board give or take
@spydingo
Its actually a Liao-class submarine, Yangtze-31 is its name
This thing screams starwars for some reason. Maybe the excessive number of propellers/engines?
omg doggo has a little diving helmet thats adorable
also i think maybe the tubes could be used as water intakes for flooding the ships ballasts?
Right? lol. That is an interesting thought. The idea of those things sucking in water is kinda terrifying though.
Just a thought on design elements here. It really looks like an amalgamation of a British T Class sub, crossed with the early SLBM launchers that, like some of the torpedo tubes of the T class, are simply bolted on. Then just make everything big and put more of them... More props, the obvious bolting on of the entire front half to a somewhat standard looking hull aft, but give it a bigger rudder back there, just to make it look cool for the 12 year olds)
It really fits with that kit bashed (read: bastardized) nature that everything Bethesda ever makes or touches has.
edit: Just to point it out, the T class, in heavily modified form, was operated up till 1977, around a decade after the Brits decommissioned their last... by then it did look a bit different, and was with Israel, but it had to look really out of place by that time, considering it dates back to the mid 1930s. Just imagine an interwar design, complete with riveted hull, serving well and truly long past its best by date. (and that is a 1,500 ton sub, not a 45k ton carrier like Midway... not a lot to do with such limited room and not a lot to just sell to some other country)
More than likely, the tubes on the flanks of this Red submarine are for the reactor, or rather, the output for water that regulates the reactor’s heat.
Irl nuclear submarines have similar design features: taking in cool sea water to carry off the heat that has already been collected by the reactor’s dedicated coolant within a closed system, separated from each other by their own pipes that meet each other somewhere along the way. Thereby, you’re not dumping metric tons of radioactive coolant into the ocean.
Also, near all types of ships are constantly taking on water somewhere, even submarines, and typically through the shafts leading to the screws. That’s one of the many reasons why bilges exist.
Thank you keep it up
Your welcome, I'll certainly try!
the tubes could be for towed sonar arrays.
I will be honest, in that I like the design; especially after using the Dauntless sub player home mod. The mod author used the Yangtze as a base then fleshed it out.
The reason I like the design, is the fact that in the Fallout games lore; many nations erupted in resource wars. So "theoretically", China could have needed "smaller" in armament to save resources.
In the process, they had to redesign for longer ranges; and that is as far as I can do with this theory. I also like how in a way, it fits with the more retro sci-fi look of the fallout games.
She has surprisingly little rust for something that has been submerged in irradiated, salt water for over 200 years.
Welding at the level of sub building is iinsanly more difficult than standard structural welding, and way more difficult than hammering hot rivets.
Bit late to the party, but around 5 minutes in he mentions welding robots, which, according to one of the loading screens, the U.S. did have. Maybe China didn't have them, but if they could make stealth suits that turn you invisible they can make a welding robot like the Miss Weldy.
I have 2 theories for the exhaust-like pipes. It could be damage control water exits. She likely had still pumping water pumps due to the fact that she isn't filled to the top of her stern from the bottom of her bow, and those pipes could be used for spewing it out. My second theory is that it could be aerodynamic-related due to her very inefficient design. A way to balance it out could be to have an entrance pipe on the bow with those exit pipes allowing it to flow through and also give additional propulsion. Also smaller theory is that they are water-jet propulsion systems, like squids or octopuses have, they have an intake, and then use muscles to push it out the other side. There are real life ships that have similar systems, such as one of the types of the failed LCN's, so it is not out of the realm of possibility.
I particularly like your water-jet theory, really tracks with what the designer clearly was working towards. What would a submarine look like if it it was a squid?
@@spydingo It would actually look quite similar. Octopuses (idk about squids) have their water jets on the sides of their head. They can open them to intake the water, and then quickly push it back out using muscles to jet away, and usually spray ink when they do this.
@@KingHenryIXX Yeah! I briefly came to know the technical name for such a mechanism on squids when watching an episode of monster quest this weekend. I looked it up and then promptly forgot it lol.
I loved your red October Easter egg wonder how many people got it
I am a welder who has fastened some things with rivets as well, and welding requires more skill.
His mistake is he thinks difficulty = skill, anyone can pick up the stuff you need to rivet and work it, it takes time to learn to weld, and more critically, it takes specialized equipment that is dangerous for unskilled labor to use
the sub looks more like a Hammerhead shark.
Point of order... The crews prefer "sub-mareener" to "sub-mariner". The first says they're submarine crew, the second that they're terrible sailors.
Hi I'm just a welder by trade so I'd like to throw my two cents in on the rivets in the sub. The rivets would indeed pop long before a good weld would.
8:45 (approx) - You forgot that with four different screws, your ship has four distinct drive signatures, which can then be combined to achieve a combination of signatures.
Good callout. That could allow her to appear like other vessels, at least acoustically right?
It's been underwater for a 200 years of course it's going to be
I think Bethesda got too experimental in Fallout 4 with vehicle designs, especially with the Yangtze and Democracy. There was a conventional Chinese submarine design in Fallout 3 that proves experimental designs like the Yangtze aren't standard. It seems to have been a "stealth" submarine, although its design wouldn't make it more stealthy, it would actually do the opposite.
Looks like it might have been meant to be a airship or fixed wing aircraft like the helicarrier. Maybe the engines were meant to be jets not screws. It looks more like a aircraft. I designed alot of flying ships for a alt history China in high school too so whynot. Maybe the periscope is meant to be a camera that could make sense for why it doesn’t line up.
More likely 120 crew as hot bunking is common on subs, and that's a big mess for 30 crew
Yeah as someone from Seattle I feel like i was let down with the kraken symbol also.
Right? Thank you
i wish there was a quest to get the Yangtze running again
You do actually, the related quest is about enabling Captain Zao to travel back to China
@@MannoMax Oh-
Modern periscopes don't have to line up 👍
I know its a different series but can we get a video on Eva's Hammer from wolfenstein?
It looks like a Hammerhead Shark! They should have called it the translation of the Hammerhead!
Wow every time I've explored the sub I missed the armory every time
I'm not surprised. I've always found the Yangze's inner layout to be hard to follow.
@@spydingo just so u know I've played a bout 5 or 6 times I missed it more than 3 times
How come they didn't just make a welding robot like we do in the real world since the 2000s?
Isn't there a theory that its actually a captured US sub due to it being the same design as the one in far harbor
Due to hot racking the crew could be anywhere from 120-60 but I'd say some like 90 also, where are duh ballast tanks, there's no room for them and it's missing any sort of DC stations
Brilliant video, where did you get the length from though?
Thanks! It's a rough guestimate using a Mod that lets you measure stuff www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/58427. Its pretty handy.
@@spydingo I’m just wondering though, isn’t the scale in Bethesda games not actually true to the official ‘lore’ of the universe, does this apply to vehicles is the question.
@@elric5371 Hmm, I don't really know to be honest. Either way, I think the approximate size is interesting.
@@spydingo it’s also supposed to have stealth characteristics isn’t it, I know the Chinese had somewhat developed cloaking technology, but I wonder if they ever made a sub which could cloak.
I personally perfer the pros and cons style, or at least a section!
Thanks for the feedback!
Can you do a Video on the jet liner
Yep, it's in the works!
Hehehe here I am!
And I appreciate it!
It's not rivvers its rubber plate montage system.
Maybe it's cheap mas prodused version of sub?
I wish the United States used these submarines rather than the Far Harbor small submarine.
The only thing Chinese about the sub is Captain Zao
i find it sad theres no option to capture it for whichever faction you joined, i mean a sorta working sub is an Asset
for the algorithm
There isnt 13 states of the commonwealth, there is 13 commonwealths that have 50 states
Huh, that's neat. I figured the commonwealths replaced states, but your right they are a new intermediary level of government. Thanks!
No no no no the commonwealth is the commonwealth of Massachusetts not the commonwealth of the original 13 colonies
*♤ Hm.*
As a lover of both Fallout and submarines I can say: The design makes no sence whatsoever. Modern submarines have the teardrop shape and one propeller/impeller for a reason: Underwater speed and noise!
While the exterior is interesting, the interior just feels... wrong. It doesn't feel like a Chinese submarine. It just feels like a floating Vault.
Yeah, the format doesn't really make a lot of sense inside. Also all the English's is disappointing, and that is saying nothing about the abhorrent scaling.
The design looks... bad. Okay, okay, the resemblance to a devilfish is neat, but it comes at the cost of making any kind of sense. Things like 'riveted steel hull... on a submarine' or 'three-blade propellers... on a submarine' almost fade into irrelevance in the face of the sheer daftness of the overall layout.
Four propellers in a... weird layout, concavities everywhere, fricking giant fins, weird tail... and it's apparently intended to be stealthy. Though... perhaps it's intended for speed (hence the four propellors... or armor? That'd be weird, but it could explain the relatively small size of the internals relative to the outer hull, as well as the multiple propellors, though at that point the tail becomes extra strange. (Armament is... mediocre. Not terrible, but it's clearly not specializing, y'know)
So my suggestion would be to make the design a little more conventional - no thin tail, two propellors of reasonable size - you can maybe get a way with a similarly pointed nose, but the torpedo tubes should be flush with the hull. However, it retains the bow 'wings' and two large hydrodynamic thrusters running along the front third of the ship or so, giving it the squidlike nose and width, more gently tapering towards the back. Thus you retain a similar profile while making it somewhat less offensive.
(Still not a *good* design. You'd have to go with something truly radical (both in layout and tech) to get a really *good* design that isn't Underwater Cigar #478, and the 'benefits' of this design aren't the kind of thing you'd want in an SSBN. Fuck it, the nose fins are... stealth field... transmitter... I dunno, some fancy futuretech.)
1. The Submarine navigator clearly was a bad Barotraumna player.
2. Do not drive this sub in barotrauma, it will not survive due to poor design xD
man that Submarine Design (and the Chinese/US from the Farhabor DLC)was straight out of an Extraterrestrial Culture... it just looks horrible in every Aspect, made no sense at all....
Yet all surviving nukes found scattered in the US wasteland bares logo of Vault Tech or US Military... So who striked the US in that faithful day? The China that don't even have any fuel left, so their entire airforce were grounded, and have no caperability in flying any nuke bomber into the US... Or someone who still holds the last oil platform in the world, and have their airforce flying but unable to detect any air invasion, yet still manage to have air-drop nukes striking their east coast from their enemy who doesn't have any aircraft in the air... This is a weired wild wasteland~~
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Is you a furry
Nope, just a drawing of my dog.
@@spydingo is you a commie