YES!! I was actually very pissed off with the girl doctor, because she was putting the mother's concerns first before the son's. She should prioritize the concerns of the patient before anyone else.
Doesn't her son have a very rare, terminal illness? One which he thinks he doesn't need to treat before college "because he knows he body better than anyone." He sounds like a dumb kid. And he is still a kid. He does not have the legal right to terminate or delay treatment.
I agree with Halstead, but I don't think the last scene was coddling. It may have helped the mother see the error of her ways and how she's smothering her son. She does love him, but in a destructive way. Those things are not necessarily mutually exclusive, especially among families. Which is why it such a split in bad faith is so hurtful for both sides and can lead to so much bitterness. The son is completely in his right to distance himself from his mother if she keeps this up, so let's hope that she learns from this and learns to let him find his own way. He may forgive her in time if she keeps working on herself.
The mother just doesn't want to let him go because her lifecis is empty without him. She's created an environment where she has to control what he does. Otherwise, she will be alone because he will want his own life and she won't have control over him 24/7.
"Tearing the family apart"? The mother is doing that just fine on her own. Her son is probably going to leave the moment he turns 18, and never speak to his mother again.
tbh I thought the same. Like if you try to control your kid like that, it will as soon as they turn 18 run away from home, leave the city, change numbers and so on
3:21 - that right there is the problem … she is so wrapped up in trying to keep him from harm that that’s what is harming him in the first place to the point where she is almost infantalizing him to keep herself frozen in time
"I was always the little girl who wished I had a mom like you." She was putting her personal bias and opinions in the way of patient care without even realizing it. She saw a boy that had a doting protective parent and thought, I wish I had that as a kid, this lady can't be doing any harm, her son should be grateful.
That Blonde doctor was such a pain really. There is nothing wrong with evaluating all the possibilities. If a doctor thinks the patient could be in potential danger, it being psychological or physical it is literally THEIR JOB to interfere! And i believe there is something they teach in Med School about maintaining their patient's freedom by making it clear what all the options are and let them decide by themselves, and as he said "Brandon's the patient, not the mom".
But he could have tried to talk to the mother, undestand the situation and convince her before tell the boy to try the most extreme solution. In the end she was really a good mother, she was just scared. The way that the blond doctor talked to her made she feel more secure to open up about the situation. If the boy is going to another country, he probably will need support, so a good relationship with his mother might be really important to his adaptation
Your comment made me want to watch a series about primary school teachers...the amount of things they go through: pupils with special needs, lack of funding, parents who think they know better, etc...
i grew up i australia and it didnt occur to me that other parts of the world dont allow you to make medical decisions at 16. ive been seeking my own care since then and parents have no right to interject on whatever decision i make from 16.
Yes, me too, I believe it’s actually 14 where I live in Australia. I was able to get help without my parents opinions on mental health getting in the way.
Here in Ontario Canada once you’re 16 your parents no longer have legal right to your medical records or decisions. Unless it’s something not covered by OHIP and would need to go on their benefits.
In Québec, Canada, age of medical consent is 14 years old. Even if you have to be hospitalized for something, the only thing hospitals are obligated to do is inform the parents their child is hospitalized so they don't report him as missing to the police. But I think for the USA, since they don't have universal health care, the must have parent's insurance and such. In Asian countries, families must give their consent even for an adult to have a medical procedure. Like the husband, mother-in-law must consent for the daughter-in-law to have necessary surgery. Medical culture is not the same everywhere.
Halstead is completely right about this. He provided another solution (an extreme one) and the son was willing to go through with it which shows how desperate he is and how confident he is with his decision. THE MOM IS NOT THE PATIENT. The boy has the right to know his choices.
Im 1000000% with Halstead. Mom is doing more harm than good being overbearing. I understand being scared and careful. But not letting your kid have any life whatsoever is torture for him and he will either live a life of misery or eventually rebel in order to get his life back. Its a parent job to take care of the kid, but you cant control their every move.
Sometimes people think they act with the best intensions and because of the purest love but when you take a deeper look at it it boils down to their own need of being loved and in control and have a purpose.
@@salmasayed5274 no it shouldn’t be, his medical condition affects her in absolutely no way nut it affects him constantly, a patient especially at 17 should be old enough to say no to any medical trials from the moment they can say no. If someone has Down syndrome you cant just star giving them surgery to alter their face and make them appear more “normal” unless their Down syndrome has morphed their face to the point that their breathing or vision is affected, but in this situation there is nothing deathly wrong with the kid, everything wrong with him he can manage this is literally just his mother wanting him fixed so she doesn’t have to worry about him
Not really the kid should have a say he’s competent and in many countries would have control over his own healthcare and especially for clinical trials being forced to participate against your own wishes even as an underage teen is unethical.
@Luna Dark I get your point. And actually I agree that putting the limit 18 years old is just meaningless, maybe even abrupt. But what I mean is, you can try first to get a point of agreement between the mother and the boy. They don't have to fight to reach the boy's best interest.
This is what happens when people treat their sick kids as projects or puzzles to be solved rather than people. Many people with complex illnesses live independent and full lives.
7:22 that line is not at all welcome in a workplace. Means she had it personal, she refused to step out of her box into the patient's, failing the oath she took.
In the UK where I had received my treatment the age of consent, at least for medical procedures, is 16. The legal system however is often not enough. Coercion exists. Even if the patient is able to give or withdraw consent it is, in my opinion, the responsibility of the medical staff, however partially, to ensure that those rights are protected. I’ve had nurses not only standby, but side with my mother when she cried and begged and eventually bullied me into invasive surgery even though it was within my legal rights to refuse, because I had just turned 16. I did refuse, for hours on end, at which point it should’ve been the end of the discussion. It wasn’t. And the medical staff proceeded according to the wishes of the family, and not the patient despite it being perfectly clear that I was coerced into signing the consent papers. Cases like this make me angry to this day and I fucking hate these people
What did the mother think was going to happen if she suddenly passed away, and her son had yet to learn how to be responsible for his own condition/medication?
The kid's fed up with his mother controlling his life 24/7. She, or rather, THEY need counseling. Mom, to understand her son isnt made of glass and going to break any moment. The son, to process the loss of his father and his medical condition.
I like how they didn't go the cartoonishly-evil route with the mother, she pushed her son to the point he would rather inflict himself with something as serious as diabetes on top of his already existing chronic illness, but they also showed that she is human and that her behavior stems from unprocessed grief over her husband's death fueling the completely understandable fear that it will happen again.
Yeah, a competent 17 year old should definitely be making his own call on whether or not he joins a clinical trial. Especially since the critical word is "trial" so there are risks and no guarantee of success. And it's interfering with his legitimate life plans. 100% it should be his call here.
Legally, what is the age at which kids got to make their own choice in a situation like this in America? You'd think that by 17 somebody would be able to make their own choices.
@@baggyshirt8120 ohh god that’s a mess in the UK it’s 16, but younger than that you can make a GP appointment and it’s private/confidential unless the doctor thinks your at risk. Then they can contact social services/police but they’re meant to tell you first. I couldn’t imagine having my parents involved in my health care when i was a teenager.
also clinical trials have their own rules, the minor patient is often asked to sign the Informed Consent Form and there is another Informed Consent for the parent, so if the son doesnt want to join the trial the doctors cannot do anything about that and the parent signature will not be enough. But here we need the drama so the truth is a little changed :)
@@leocervidae I think also in UK if it's not considered life-or-death, if a kid says 'no' to being put to sleep for a procedure, the doctors have to listen.
When I was being abused, so many people who were supposed to help me and my siblings completely ignored all the facts because they wanted to believe my mom was an angel. It's actually scarily common. They'd rather believe someone is just a poor single mom trying her hardest with an ungrateful problem child, than consider the child may be telling the truth about the abuse they are suffering.
No. The way the female actor talked to the mother was perfect and understanding. It convinced her with letting him go without dismissing the natural fear and overprotective behaviour that can come with it. Having a new home is a problem itself.
That's what started the whole thing though. He gets dangerously sick if not properly monitored. Did you not listen to the mother? She's over protective not dangerous. It's not wrong to want to keep your child alive. It's her method that's a little questionable
@@salmasayed5274 that's not that simple though. The Doctor may have talked to the Mother and the Mother may have understood but it's all about is she actually going to change.
@@midnightaurora9483 she doesn't really need to change her personality or stop worrying about her child. Changing her acts is enough because acts are what matter.
I normally don’t agree with will but in this case he had nothing but the patients wishes in mind, this is kinda out of character since he normally just cares about the medicine instead of their wishes 😂
@@danieladelcastillolocatell5839She doesn’t have. MSbP, the video literally goes out of its way to show that. It’s more likely to be Vulnerable Child syndrome, when a child that has been really sick in the last causes a parent to constantly worry that something is wrong even when there isn’t.
@@danieladelcastillolocatell5839 his mom is literally trying to get him into a trial that would make him LESS dependent on her. The first medical choice the kid made on his own was to secretly try to give himself diabetes.
I could recall it in a DSM 5-tr, it's Factitious Disorder Imposed on Another, and most cases happen by mothers as see here Edit: And guess what, if you could recall the Gypsy Rose Blanchard case, her mother has this disorder
In Canada there's no stipulated age for medical consent: "There is no stipulated age of consent for treatment. A person under 18 years of age who is assessed and deemed capable of consenting to treatment (a mature minor) is allowed to make treatment decisions." So it's up to doctors to determine if the minor aged patient is capable and they can override the parents if they seemed unreasonable or are putting the child in danger. For really young kids, they'd need to talk to a judge of course.
I live in Canada and was making medical decisions at 14/15. I was mature enough then and I was already going to appointments on my own having several conditions
But if a person of any age demonstrates that they don't understand the consequences of terminating treatment, they can be compelled to be institutionalized until they are no longer a harm to themselves. As you mentioned, courts would have to become involved at that point. But it is not impossible to imagine that this kid would not be allowed to terminate treatment.
@storietime8781 Canadian as well, also a mom of four (one of which with a lifelong condition) and I am so so absolutely in favour of this. You don't just magically become able to make decisions the second you turn 18, there are PLENTY of teens who can and should be able to make decisions about their bodies and medical treatments! My eldest is 10 and is very mature (though a bit impulsive, and has a hard time thinking of the long run as many kids do) but I always do my best to explain things to her, and let her make input and decisions when possible. Like when we found out she has ADHD last year, I let it be completely her decision what interventions she wanted, and when she chose medication I made it clear to her that taking these was HER choice, and she could change her mind anytime.
I prefer the approach of gillick competence. If the individual has the capacity to understand what the treatment is, the consequences etc, then they are entitled to make their own decisions.
Yeah, my sympathy for the mother plummeted real quick. Having the self-awareness to realize that you might be the problem isn't just important for being a parent, it's part of being a functional adult.
you won't fully understand this until you're a teen in a childs' ward and having made every descision without your input. He won't magically be different at 18. It's not a switch to flick. There needs to be a compromise for teenaged kids. Being 17 and 364 days and being 18 is the exact same. Only that one of them is granted emancipation and the other isn't
Here’s the thing, if Brannon is ready to take medication to not be viable for the trial he will continue to do so or even worse if it comes down to it. The more you push Someone the more likely it is they push back. The kid and mother need counselling here so they can have an open conversation, yes the mom is looking out for her sons safety but she’s also overriding his decisions, a loss of control is what Pushed Brennons mom into managing his medication in the first place.
@@kinagrilli think this is a bit of a different situation. His whole almost 18 years of life has been controlled by his mother’s fear of losing this kid. He is a teenager and should be able to take medication on his own. He should have already learned to take the right dosages and everything. She is keeping his son from growing up and that’s why he is doing this. He feels so desperate to have a bit of freedom. If she pushes him into doing the trial he will go no contact as soon as he turns 18. It’s about the kid not the mother. It’s not her body but his, he should have some say in this. The mother is ruining her family herself.
Well I have a unique insight here my parents forced me to take something I was allergic too ( resulted in me being in hospital for a week worst week of my life I was throwing up every 5 minutes and in hell of a fever had i.v. lines in me everywhere) I warned my mother but she was adamant ( threatened me with homelessness if I didn't) within 45 minutes I was so sick ambulance was called all would have been prevented if she had listened to me in the first place I'd had anaphylaxis reaction to a medication before I asked her should I take that again? At the hospital the consultant said why the hell did you take something you're allergic too! I said I had no choice
Your example is harmful. A young man wanting to be allowed to make his own decisions about his own body and not be forced to have optuinal medical procedures he didn't want is not harmful to themselves. t@salmasayed5274
This is so reminiscent of My Sister’s keeper. That book was such an amazing and eye opening read. At what point do parents need to let their kids make their own decisions and call the shots about their own bodies?
Ummm I have addisons and only have one adrenal gland. Yes, I've had crisis's but this lady is acting like it's a death sentence....as long as I stick to my hydrocortisone doses each day all is good jeez!
Ah such complicated situation. Grief and mum all of the sudden solo parenting. As the mother, I would fo anything in my power to support my child and get better in medical condition. Also, I'm on the other side too, I too depend on steroids.
Tell the guy to tell the trial people what he did and why. They would not accept him anymore. To irresponsible and risk him not following instructions for the device or actively doing something to it. Much simpler.
Conscious like in this clip? Not really....i've seen really low ones, but mostly from immense internal bleeds, wrong IV-medicine/doses or from an allergic reaction they've had sudden BP drops. Or on patiënts that were in the last phase of their lives (dying). None as conscious as this boy was.
I regularly have around 100 over 60, sometimes I have around 85 over 55, but around that point not enough blood reaches my brain to form a full sentence.
I had a BP of 86 over 46 in July and was still conscious and done twice in the ambulance. I was extremely weak and was suffering from a stomach virus and a bad reaction to new meds for my inflammatory bowel disease. Spiking fever, chest pain, low BP, skin rashes, etc. I was in hospital for 16 days while they figured it out with multiple ct scans, an mri, a colonoscopy, bloodtests twice a day, antibiotics, punch biopsies and followup visits with the specialist a month after my discharge. Total cost to me $0 as I am in Australia 🇦🇺 and we have universal health care
I hate how they instantly either accuse the parent or the child I spent my entire life in and out of hospital and because they didn't know what was wrong with me it was either I was making myself sick, I was overreacting to the pain or my parents where hurting me I didn't get a diagnosis until I was 23 to this day I hate going to my local hospital because even with it they still treat me like I'm lying
Unfortunately a lot of times that is the case though weather on purpose or accident but in a situation like this where an insanely overbearing mother clearly states she controls everything to do with the kid it really isnt hard to suspect something like it
@@lunadark6666 I can understand from both sides because they are just worried about the child but they jump to the conclusion so fast that they didn't even bother testing for other things first
@@vampgirl101rocks no no no they said they did a bunch of tests and nothing showed up so it was pointing back to the medication which she controls (sorry if this sounds mean at all that’s not my intention)
@Luna Dark but before they did the diabetes test or even spoke to them he has already made up his mind (that's okay I don't see it as mean just a conversation 😀) I think I missed the bit about the other tests though oops haha
@@vampgirl101rocks I think he was more iffy about how she seemed all fussed and bothered about it when the kid himself said that the trial wasn’t a huge deal so it looked like she was making herself accidentally seem suspicious by being overly worried (if that makes any sense)
Not sure about the episode's ending since I can't find clips of it, but I hope that the mom stepped up and tried to give her son more freedom without having to resort to emancipation. The doctors weren't tearing a family apart, they just sped up the process by having the kid communicate why he did it, and it gives an opening to patch things up. There's a lot of gray areas in this case.
Male doc is in the right, & Blondie is projecting. That kid was abusing medication & ready to give himself a life-altering disease on top of the one he already has to get out of a clinical trial he did not want to go through with. How is that not a Massive concern?
No matter what the mother wants medically for her son, he can say no and there is nothing she can do. Any doctor that sides with the mother should lose their license. And the mother should lose their child.
I'm sorry but he's right! What the hell is this? supervising decision doesn't mean take complete control! It's like women united making a wrong decision... and the doctor?! Overcompensating and projecting her own bs ?!
People are always so quick to judge. The world would be a much better place if we can pause for a sec and try to see situations from the perspectives of everyone involved. Ultimately all of us are biased and will take a side but at least try a bit of empathy and compromise first.
I think that's a pretty big assumption, and shows you are also biased. In a case like this, we can all see the mother's side, wanting to protect her son and take care of him, like she's been doing his whole life. But we also see the son's perspective. At what point does it become his life that he gets to live on his terms? At 17, Mom needs to take a step back and see she's raised him, and trust that she raised him right, and will make good choices. Smothering a child with love, and trying to wrap them in bubble wrap will only have the opposite effect she's hoping for. You have to let the baby bird leave the nest. Anything else is unfair and selfish. Love your children, but let them live their lives.
@@Mystress1980You literally agreed with me (everyone has bias, I'm part of everyone) and proved my point (we could all do with more empathy and compassion, which you do seem to have some for the mom lol)
She's controlling him when he was in her uterus till now without even realising how bad and inappropriate this is. You should pass him ur opinions or thought but not always imply on them everytime!
My initial thought was that the male doc overstepped. When the other doctor confronted him, he reminded me that the patient's needs come first. And he's right. The kid wants to experience life. And there's no guarantee that the trial does anything for him.
Medical decisions for treatment and participating in research are very different in terms of consent. Maybe something's different in the US, but where I live participating in clinical research must be completely voluntary and informed, even if she can legally make normal medical decisions until he's 18.
I understand both points of views, and both are valid. The mother is afraid and just wants to keep her son safe, but at the same time, he is his own person and she needs to avoid smothering him. Even if he weren't nearly eighteen, he has the right to make his own decisions, to go on with his life how he wants, and he can still speak with her over the phone, and it not be her fault if he gets more hurt.
Age of medical consent is not the same everywhere. In Québec, Canada, you get to make your medical decision at 14 years old. Obviously most will listent to their parents' advice, but starting at 14 you sign your own medical forms, and can gets medical procedures without your parents being informed, being vaccines, surgery, abortion, tests, etc. So a teen with anti-vaccine parents can get his vaccination done without their consent, a teen with anti-abortion parents who got pregnant can get an abortion, a teen with Jehovah witness parents can get a blood transfusion, a teen with stage 4 cancer can choose not to get treatment, etc. But we have universal health care, so teen treatments do not need approval from parents medical insurance.
The blonde doctor shouldn't be a doctor. You look after your PATIENT, you advocate for your PATIENT. Instead she isolated, shamed her patient and backed the mother. This boy could have taken his own life the way this story was going. She should be ashamed of herself and fired on the spot. I'll never understand why people defend a woman like her. How dare she shame, insult and raise her voice at the male doctor who was actually doing HIS JOB.
4:44 why is she less concerned about the patient and mroe concerned wiht defending controlling behavuor? 7:37 his mother is nNOT THE PATIENT. theyre supposed to care abput the patient npt the controlling person whose the reason the aptient is in that hospitla in the first place if people are judging her, its because she deserves to be judged
I completely agree with Halstead on this.
His mother is not the patient, the boy is
yeah yeah stupid I dislike men don't ask
YES!! I was actually very pissed off with the girl doctor, because she was putting the mother's concerns first before the son's. She should prioritize the concerns of the patient before anyone else.
@@maria_lesann the girl doctor 🤣😂🤣😂
@@bernadettecphehlo2053 honestly i realized i sounded really dumb after re-reading my comment.
@@bernadettecphehlo2053 also im not sure of the new doctor's names 😜
That mother doesn't deserve the coddling. She needs to be aware her son is a person with feelings.
hate those "smother" parents
Doesn't her son have a very rare, terminal illness? One which he thinks he doesn't need to treat before college "because he knows he body better than anyone."
He sounds like a dumb kid. And he is still a kid. He does not have the legal right to terminate or delay treatment.
I agree with Halstead, but I don't think the last scene was coddling. It may have helped the mother see the error of her ways and how she's smothering her son. She does love him, but in a destructive way. Those things are not necessarily mutually exclusive, especially among families. Which is why it such a split in bad faith is so hurtful for both sides and can lead to so much bitterness. The son is completely in his right to distance himself from his mother if she keeps this up, so let's hope that she learns from this and learns to let him find his own way. He may forgive her in time if she keeps working on herself.
The mother just doesn't want to let him go because her lifecis is empty without him. She's created an environment where she has to control what he does. Otherwise, she will be alone because he will want his own life and she won't have control over him 24/7.
"Tearing the family apart"? The mother is doing that just fine on her own. Her son is probably going to leave the moment he turns 18, and never speak to his mother again.
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I agree, she’s ruining her son’s life.
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tbh I thought the same. Like if you try to control your kid like that, it will as soon as they turn 18 run away from home, leave the city, change numbers and so on
3:21 - that right there is the problem … she is so wrapped up in trying to keep him from harm that that’s what is harming him in the first place to the point where she is almost infantalizing him to keep herself frozen in time
I means she's over bearing but getting him to do the trial before H leaves the country and coukd have an emergency abroad makes sense
"I was always the little girl who wished I had a mom like you." She was putting her personal bias and opinions in the way of patient care without even realizing it. She saw a boy that had a doting protective parent and thought, I wish I had that as a kid, this lady can't be doing any harm, her son should be grateful.
That blonde nurse wants a helicopter mother, not a doting protective one. Which means, she can't see the down side of that.
@@RebekahAPinto That's fuckin' screwed
@@JA268 It is.
@@RebekahAPinto Doctor. I agree, but Doctor
She was a pain in this episode
That Blonde doctor was such a pain really. There is nothing wrong with evaluating all the possibilities. If a doctor thinks the patient could be in potential danger, it being psychological or physical it is literally THEIR JOB to interfere! And i believe there is something they teach in Med School about maintaining their patient's freedom by making it clear what all the options are and let them decide by themselves, and as he said "Brandon's the patient, not the mom".
She was so annoying and her horrible acting made things worse.
Some doctors need to realize that some parents aren’t the caring kind just bc they had great parents lol. Happy he stuck to his guns
But he could have tried to talk to the mother, undestand the situation and convince her before tell the boy to try the most extreme solution. In the end she was really a good mother, she was just scared. The way that the blond doctor talked to her made she feel more secure to open up about the situation. If the boy is going to another country, he probably will need support, so a good relationship with his mother might be really important to his adaptation
The blonde only cared about the mother it didn’t matter what the actual patient was going through as long as the mother was getting her way
thats why no one will top House
This show really brings to light the difficulty medical professionals have in dealing with parents who think they know better.
Your comment made me want to watch a series about primary school teachers...the amount of things they go through: pupils with special needs, lack of funding, parents who think they know better, etc...
@@alexdelaloire8739 as someone who taught first to third graders after college I get what you mean.
@@alexdelaloire8739 Check out Abbott Elementary!
@@marlajoywood I already did but it kinda mocks teachers so I'm not really into it
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i grew up i australia and it didnt occur to me that other parts of the world dont allow you to make medical decisions at 16. ive been seeking my own care since then and parents have no right to interject on whatever decision i make from 16.
Yes, me too, I believe it’s actually 14 where I live in Australia. I was able to get help without my parents opinions on mental health getting in the way.
It’s 16 in the UK too
@@OMTMedia depending on your mental capacity it can be 12 in the UK if you get courts involved
Here in Ontario Canada once you’re 16 your parents no longer have legal right to your medical records or decisions. Unless it’s something not covered by OHIP and would need to go on their benefits.
In Québec, Canada, age of medical consent is 14 years old. Even if you have to be hospitalized for something, the only thing hospitals are obligated to do is inform the parents their child is hospitalized so they don't report him as missing to the police. But I think for the USA, since they don't have universal health care, the must have parent's insurance and such.
In Asian countries, families must give their consent even for an adult to have a medical procedure. Like the husband, mother-in-law must consent for the daughter-in-law to have necessary surgery. Medical culture is not the same everywhere.
Halstead is completely right about this.
He provided another solution (an extreme one) and the son was willing to go through with it which shows how desperate he is and how confident he is with his decision. THE MOM IS NOT THE PATIENT. The boy has the right to know his choices.
She's not just a helicopter parent she's a full on AH-64 Apache.
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“I’m here to advocate for my patient, it’s my job. And it’s yours but you seem to have forgotten that.”
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Im 1000000% with Halstead. Mom is doing more harm than good being overbearing. I understand being scared and careful. But not letting your kid have any life whatsoever is torture for him and he will either live a life of misery or eventually rebel in order to get his life back.
Its a parent job to take care of the kid, but you cant control their every move.
I know that feeling I have to put up with it myself
Pft. "Wished she had a mom like you". Don't encourage that sorta controlling behaviour.
Get grief counselling, not drugs, mother.
Lol no no no she does not wish she had that...
Something tells me her mother was the opposite.
Sometimes people think they act with the best intensions and because of the purest love but when you take a deeper look at it it boils down to their own need of being loved and in control and have a purpose.
The guy was right in that the kid was his patient, not the mother and he only gave him options.
Love a person who thinks a child belongs to his parents and doesnt deserve any autonomy or choice in his own life =_= what a toxic person
Tbf the boy deserves a choice in his condition
Ok?
It's not that easy.
But both sides should be considered.
@@salmasayed5274 no it shouldn’t be, his medical condition affects her in absolutely no way nut it affects him constantly, a patient especially at 17 should be old enough to say no to any medical trials from the moment they can say no.
If someone has Down syndrome you cant just star giving them surgery to alter their face and make them appear more “normal” unless their Down syndrome has morphed their face to the point that their breathing or vision is affected, but in this situation there is nothing deathly wrong with the kid, everything wrong with him he can manage this is literally just his mother wanting him fixed so she doesn’t have to worry about him
Not really the kid should have a say he’s competent and in many countries would have control over his own healthcare and especially for clinical trials being forced to participate against your own wishes even as an underage teen is unethical.
@Luna Dark I get your point.
And actually I agree that putting the limit 18 years old is just meaningless, maybe even abrupt.
But what I mean is, you can try first to get a point of agreement between the mother and the boy. They don't have to fight to reach the boy's best interest.
The boy is old enough to make his own decisions and take care of his own health.
This is what happens when people treat their sick kids as projects or puzzles to be solved rather than people. Many people with complex illnesses live independent and full lives.
yeah this happened to me. My mum got a bit controlling and while I don;t have complex illnesses I have adhd/
7:22 that line is not at all welcome in a workplace. Means she had it personal, she refused to step out of her box into the patient's, failing the oath she took.
Shows that she’s a hypocrite as well.
In the UK where I had received my treatment the age of consent, at least for medical procedures, is 16. The legal system however is often not enough. Coercion exists. Even if the patient is able to give or withdraw consent it is, in my opinion, the responsibility of the medical staff, however partially, to ensure that those rights are protected. I’ve had nurses not only standby, but side with my mother when she cried and begged and eventually bullied me into invasive surgery even though it was within my legal rights to refuse, because I had just turned 16. I did refuse, for hours on end, at which point it should’ve been the end of the discussion. It wasn’t. And the medical staff proceeded according to the wishes of the family, and not the patient despite it being perfectly clear that I was coerced into signing the consent papers. Cases like this make me angry to this day and I fucking hate these people
Dr. Hallstead is 10000% right in this on!!! Screw the mom .. it’s Brandon’s choice !!! He’s the patient he has the right to know his options
What did the mother think was going to happen if she suddenly passed away, and her son had yet to learn how to be responsible for his own condition/medication?
The kid's fed up with his mother controlling his life 24/7.
She, or rather, THEY need counseling.
Mom, to understand her son isnt made of glass and going to break any moment.
The son, to process the loss of his father and his medical condition.
I like how they didn't go the cartoonishly-evil route with the mother, she pushed her son to the point he would rather inflict himself with something as serious as diabetes on top of his already existing chronic illness, but they also showed that she is human and that her behavior stems from unprocessed grief over her husband's death fueling the completely understandable fear that it will happen again.
Yeah, a competent 17 year old should definitely be making his own call on whether or not he joins a clinical trial. Especially since the critical word is "trial" so there are risks and no guarantee of success. And it's interfering with his legitimate life plans. 100% it should be his call here.
Legally, what is the age at which kids got to make their own choice in a situation like this in America? You'd think that by 17 somebody would be able to make their own choices.
Legally, it's 18. Parents can override things their kids say or want cuz they're the parents, legal guardianship and stuff
@@baggyshirt8120 ohh god that’s a mess in the UK it’s 16, but younger than that you can make a GP appointment and it’s private/confidential unless the doctor thinks your at risk. Then they can contact social services/police but they’re meant to tell you first. I couldn’t imagine having my parents involved in my health care when i was a teenager.
also clinical trials have their own rules, the minor patient is often asked to sign the Informed Consent Form and there is another Informed Consent for the parent, so if the son doesnt want to join the trial the doctors cannot do anything about that and the parent signature will not be enough. But here we need the drama so the truth is a little changed :)
@@leocervidae when my son had suspected appendicitis the surgeons asked him to sign the consent form. He was 3 days away from his 15th birthday
@@leocervidae I think also in UK if it's not considered life-or-death, if a kid says 'no' to being put to sleep for a procedure, the doctors have to listen.
I agree with Halstead the mum is not the patient her son is and she can’t make decisions for him
When I was being abused, so many people who were supposed to help me and my siblings completely ignored all the facts because they wanted to believe my mom was an angel. It's actually scarily common. They'd rather believe someone is just a poor single mom trying her hardest with an ungrateful problem child, than consider the child may be telling the truth about the abuse they are suffering.
Boy deserves a new home where his safe and he don't have problems
No. The way the female actor talked to the mother was perfect and understanding. It convinced her with letting him go without dismissing the natural fear and overprotective behaviour that can come with it.
Having a new home is a problem itself.
That's what started the whole thing though. He gets dangerously sick if not properly monitored. Did you not listen to the mother? She's over protective not dangerous. It's not wrong to want to keep your child alive. It's her method that's a little questionable
@@Ebunoluwa13 I think that’s depend which one u think is more important to be able to live or to survive?
@@salmasayed5274 that's not that simple though. The Doctor may have talked to the Mother and the Mother may have understood but it's all about is she actually going to change.
@@midnightaurora9483 she doesn't really need to change her personality or stop worrying about her child.
Changing her acts is enough because acts are what matter.
'I want to speak with your supervisor'
It is at that moment that they knew, they were dealing with a Karen 😂.
I normally don’t agree with will but in this case he had nothing but the patients wishes in mind, this is kinda out of character since he normally just cares about the medicine instead of their wishes 😂
I think his mom has muncheusen aproxy, people who have that illness need profesional help
@@danieladelcastillolocatell5839She doesn’t have. MSbP, the video literally goes out of its way to show that. It’s more likely to be Vulnerable Child syndrome, when a child that has been really sick in the last causes a parent to constantly worry that something is wrong even when there isn’t.
@@danieladelcastillolocatell5839 his mom is literally trying to get him into a trial that would make him LESS dependent on her. The first medical choice the kid made on his own was to secretly try to give himself diabetes.
I could recall it in a DSM 5-tr, it's Factitious Disorder Imposed on Another, and most cases happen by mothers as see here
Edit:
And guess what, if you could recall the Gypsy Rose Blanchard case, her mother has this disorder
@@danieladelcastillolocatell5839the disease is real so it’s not munchausens
In Canada there's no stipulated age for medical consent: "There is no stipulated age of consent for treatment. A person under 18 years of age who is assessed and deemed capable of consenting to treatment (a mature minor) is allowed to make treatment decisions." So it's up to doctors to determine if the minor aged patient is capable and they can override the parents if they seemed unreasonable or are putting the child in danger. For really young kids, they'd need to talk to a judge of course.
I live in Canada and was making medical decisions at 14/15. I was mature enough then and I was already going to appointments on my own having several conditions
But if a person of any age demonstrates that they don't understand the consequences of terminating treatment, they can be compelled to be institutionalized until they are no longer a harm to themselves. As you mentioned, courts would have to become involved at that point. But it is not impossible to imagine that this kid would not be allowed to terminate treatment.
In New Zealand 16 is considered an adult in medicine
OP: same in UK. In any case the child's opinion must be listened to.
@storietime8781 Canadian as well, also a mom of four (one of which with a lifelong condition) and I am so so absolutely in favour of this.
You don't just magically become able to make decisions the second you turn 18, there are PLENTY of teens who can and should be able to make decisions about their bodies and medical treatments! My eldest is 10 and is very mature (though a bit impulsive, and has a hard time thinking of the long run as many kids do) but I always do my best to explain things to her, and let her make input and decisions when possible.
Like when we found out she has ADHD last year, I let it be completely her decision what interventions she wanted, and when she chose medication I made it clear to her that taking these was HER choice, and she could change her mind anytime.
7:19 what a control freak! the mother not listening I would of shouted and give her a good listen
There’s no way doctors would admit him to a trial without his assent, even with the mom’s consent
The son should be handling his own medication instead of his bulling mother
the son is practically legal now, he should be making his own decisions
She's going to be a nightmare for her daughter in law
Oh my god, i would RUN at that lady
😂
He'll probably go no contact after 18
I stand with Dr Halstead
Parents always do that trying to squeeze the last control over their children as soon as they know they are reaching adulthood
IF ITS A OPTION, why is it bad for him to tell the kid to get the only chance? Why witheld the information.
because then the mother wouldnt get her way and the blond doctor cant ahve that
I prefer the approach of gillick competence. If the individual has the capacity to understand what the treatment is, the consequences etc, then they are entitled to make their own decisions.
it may not be his choice at 17, but in a year it will be his choice, and I'd be willing to bet the mother will regret her decisions.
Yeah, my sympathy for the mother plummeted real quick. Having the self-awareness to realize that you might be the problem isn't just important for being a parent, it's part of being a functional adult.
you won't fully understand this until you're a teen in a childs' ward and having made every descision without your input. He won't magically be different at 18. It's not a switch to flick. There needs to be a compromise for teenaged kids. Being 17 and 364 days and being 18 is the exact same. Only that one of them is granted emancipation and the other isn't
This woman was probably how Gypsy Rose Blanchard's mother was like
No she was far more screwed up
What annoys me is that they never actually ask what dosage he is on and what she gives him.
Agreed. As soon as the mum mentioned she managed his meds my first question was “can I see a copy of the prescription/the meds he normally takes?”
that blonde doctor infuriated me. the kid literally poisoned himself cause he felt so desperate the mum is so controlling
Both doctors handled separate family members well.
Here’s the thing, if Brannon is ready to take medication to not be viable for the trial he will continue to do so or even worse if it comes down to it. The more you push Someone the more likely it is they push back. The kid and mother need counselling here so they can have an open conversation, yes the mom is looking out for her sons safety but she’s also overriding his decisions, a loss of control is what Pushed Brennons mom into managing his medication in the first place.
It's why 'kids do drugs'. cuz parents say they are bad and that fact makes it more appeaing.
@@kinagrilli think this is a bit of a different situation. His whole almost 18 years of life has been controlled by his mother’s fear of losing this kid. He is a teenager and should be able to take medication on his own. He should have already learned to take the right dosages and everything. She is keeping his son from growing up and that’s why he is doing this. He feels so desperate to have a bit of freedom. If she pushes him into doing the trial he will go no contact as soon as he turns 18. It’s about the kid not the mother. It’s not her body but his, he should have some say in this. The mother is ruining her family herself.
The patient is the boy and not the family.
Its His body
It's not that easy. Both sides had good points.
If a child wants to cut himself would you let him? 🙂
@@salmasayed5274 that is two separate issues wtf.
Well I have a unique insight here my parents forced me to take something I was allergic too ( resulted in me being in hospital for a week worst week of my life I was throwing up every 5 minutes and in hell of a fever had i.v. lines in me everywhere) I warned my mother but she was adamant ( threatened me with homelessness if I didn't) within 45 minutes I was so sick ambulance was called all would have been prevented if she had listened to me in the first place I'd had anaphylaxis reaction to a medication before I asked her should I take that again? At the hospital the consultant said why the hell did you take something you're allergic too! I said I had no choice
Your example is harmful. A young man wanting to be allowed to make his own decisions about his own body and not be forced to have optuinal medical procedures he didn't want is not harmful to themselves. t@salmasayed5274
@@salmasayed5274there’s a difference. That is self harm. Participating in a Clinical Trial is not
I really like people like dr Halstead, even I try my best to help people in need, even tough many people says that it is not my business.
This is so reminiscent of My Sister’s keeper. That book was such an amazing and eye opening read. At what point do parents need to let their kids make their own decisions and call the shots about their own bodies?
The movie was excellent
Ummm I have addisons and only have one adrenal gland. Yes, I've had crisis's but this lady is acting like it's a death sentence....as long as I stick to my hydrocortisone doses each day all is good jeez!
Ah such complicated situation. Grief and mum all of the sudden solo parenting. As the mother, I would fo anything in my power to support my child and get better in medical condition. Also, I'm on the other side too, I too depend on steroids.
It’s his choice
2:10 he has legit points
Tell the guy to tell the trial people what he did and why. They would not accept him anymore. To irresponsible and risk him not following instructions for the device or actively doing something to it. Much simpler.
why in a series that LOVES to call in psyciatric every time something happens did they not do so in this case?
if house was here, this conversation will be ending less than 1 minute
"I want to speak to your supervisor." Karen, this is a hospital, not a TacoBell...
This mother has already appeared on this show as a young lady with long hair,now with short hair 🤣😂😂
6:19 six months later he’s 18 😂
BP 100 over 20? Is this even possible?
Conscious like in this clip? Not really....i've seen really low ones, but mostly from immense internal bleeds, wrong IV-medicine/doses or from an allergic reaction they've had sudden BP drops. Or on patiënts that were in the last phase of their lives (dying). None as conscious as this boy was.
Ikr 😂😭
The diastolic seems to be too low for the systolic
I regularly have around 100 over 60, sometimes I have around 85 over 55, but around that point not enough blood reaches my brain to form a full sentence.
I had a BP of 86 over 46 in July and was still conscious and done twice in the ambulance. I was extremely weak and was suffering from a stomach virus and a bad reaction to new meds for my inflammatory bowel disease. Spiking fever, chest pain, low BP, skin rashes, etc. I was in hospital for 16 days while they figured it out with multiple ct scans, an mri, a colonoscopy, bloodtests twice a day, antibiotics, punch biopsies and followup visits with the specialist a month after my discharge. Total cost to me $0 as I am in Australia 🇦🇺 and we have universal health care
I hate how they instantly either accuse the parent or the child I spent my entire life in and out of hospital and because they didn't know what was wrong with me it was either I was making myself sick, I was overreacting to the pain or my parents where hurting me I didn't get a diagnosis until I was 23 to this day I hate going to my local hospital because even with it they still treat me like I'm lying
Unfortunately a lot of times that is the case though weather on purpose or accident but in a situation like this where an insanely overbearing mother clearly states she controls everything to do with the kid it really isnt hard to suspect something like it
@@lunadark6666 I can understand from both sides because they are just worried about the child but they jump to the conclusion so fast that they didn't even bother testing for other things first
@@vampgirl101rocks no no no they said they did a bunch of tests and nothing showed up so it was pointing back to the medication which she controls (sorry if this sounds mean at all that’s not my intention)
@Luna Dark but before they did the diabetes test or even spoke to them he has already made up his mind (that's okay I don't see it as mean just a conversation 😀) I think I missed the bit about the other tests though oops haha
@@vampgirl101rocks I think he was more iffy about how she seemed all fussed and bothered about it when the kid himself said that the trial wasn’t a huge deal so it looked like she was making herself accidentally seem suspicious by being overly worried (if that makes any sense)
Overprotective and overcontrolling parents are just as worst than abusive, undisciplined, and ignorant parents
Not sure about the episode's ending since I can't find clips of it, but I hope that the mom stepped up and tried to give her son more freedom without having to resort to emancipation. The doctors weren't tearing a family apart, they just sped up the process by having the kid communicate why he did it, and it gives an opening to patch things up. There's a lot of gray areas in this case.
You can feel for both
True.
I feel for the mom but she's ultimately in the wrong here.
Male doc is in the right, & Blondie is projecting. That kid was abusing medication & ready to give himself a life-altering disease on top of the one he already has to get out of a clinical trial he did not want to go through with. How is that not a Massive concern?
No matter what the mother wants medically for her son, he can say no and there is nothing she can do. Any doctor that sides with the mother should lose their license. And the mother should lose their child.
Smart cookie . Fuckin Absolutely ‼️‼️
Love your videos they’re so fun❤🎉
Technically he is doing his job and not really interfering, like the patients need to be advices on ALL possibly solutions and that is one of them.
In my country, who ever pay got to decide, which means parents most of the time
I'm sorry but he's right! What the hell is this? supervising decision doesn't mean take complete control! It's like women united making a wrong decision... and the doctor?! Overcompensating and projecting her own bs ?!
It was his dream to go to college in London
Poor woman she’s not giving her adult child options of his OWN BODY
🥺 this hit home so bad, ur ok but can’t make any decisions cos of them as if ur not ok.
People are always so quick to judge. The world would be a much better place if we can pause for a sec and try to see situations from the perspectives of everyone involved. Ultimately all of us are biased and will take a side but at least try a bit of empathy and compromise first.
I think that's a pretty big assumption, and shows you are also biased. In a case like this, we can all see the mother's side, wanting to protect her son and take care of him, like she's been doing his whole life. But we also see the son's perspective. At what point does it become his life that he gets to live on his terms? At 17, Mom needs to take a step back and see she's raised him, and trust that she raised him right, and will make good choices. Smothering a child with love, and trying to wrap them in bubble wrap will only have the opposite effect she's hoping for. You have to let the baby bird leave the nest. Anything else is unfair and selfish. Love your children, but let them live their lives.
@@Mystress1980 Wonderfully worded!! Love your children as actual human beings, not as pets or living toys
@@Mystress1980You literally agreed with me (everyone has bias, I'm part of everyone) and proved my point (we could all do with more empathy and compassion, which you do seem to have some for the mom lol)
That doctor has the right to give him advice
If ever there was a need to consult with Dr. Charles, this would be it.
she proves her bias at the end talking about wanting a mom like her. gg ez
BP 100/20... boy that doesn't even make sense. It's physically not possible. I can't watch these medical shows a RN 😅
There is a simpler way. Get the kid to tell the trial personnel what he did. Makes him unreliable for a clinical trial and excluded
She's controlling him when he was in her uterus till now without even realising how bad and inappropriate this is. You should pass him ur opinions or thought but not always imply on them everytime!
My initial thought was that the male doc overstepped. When the other doctor confronted him, he reminded me that the patient's needs come first. And he's right. The kid wants to experience life. And there's no guarantee that the trial does anything for him.
Medical decisions for treatment and participating in research are very different in terms of consent. Maybe something's different in the US, but where I live participating in clinical research must be completely voluntary and informed, even if she can legally make normal medical decisions until he's 18.
Never have I been told I would understand something later and actually do i get it now.
Classic example of a Helicopter Mum!
I understand both points of views, and both are valid. The mother is afraid and just wants to keep her son safe, but at the same time, he is his own person and she needs to avoid smothering him. Even if he weren't nearly eighteen, he has the right to make his own decisions, to go on with his life how he wants, and he can still speak with her over the phone, and it not be her fault if he gets more hurt.
Age of medical consent is not the same everywhere. In Québec, Canada, you get to make your medical decision at 14 years old. Obviously most will listent to their parents' advice, but starting at 14 you sign your own medical forms, and can gets medical procedures without your parents being informed, being vaccines, surgery, abortion, tests, etc. So a teen with anti-vaccine parents can get his vaccination done without their consent, a teen with anti-abortion parents who got pregnant can get an abortion, a teen with Jehovah witness parents can get a blood transfusion, a teen with stage 4 cancer can choose not to get treatment, etc. But we have universal health care, so teen treatments do not need approval from parents medical insurance.
Then you turn eighteen and get prescribed suicide lol
The blonde doctor shouldn't be a doctor. You look after your PATIENT, you advocate for your PATIENT. Instead she isolated, shamed her patient and backed the mother. This boy could have taken his own life the way this story was going. She should be ashamed of herself and fired on the spot. I'll never understand why people defend a woman like her. How dare she shame, insult and raise her voice at the male doctor who was actually doing HIS JOB.
Was the mom already on the show as dr Rhoades's one night stand with heart problems? The one that cheated on her husband?
Smh listen to your kids even when theyre stepping out into their journey of adulthood
The boy is the patient not the mother will did have the patents best interest especially since the patient is turning 18 in 6 months
4:44 why is she less concerned about the patient and mroe concerned wiht defending controlling behavuor?
7:37 his mother is nNOT THE PATIENT. theyre supposed to care abput the patient npt the controlling person whose the reason the aptient is in that hospitla in the first place
if people are judging her, its because she deserves to be judged
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This mother reminds me so much of my own, controlling narcissist of a mother....
she wants him with her for forever, she cant stand the thought of being alone and for him to have an actual life
Why didn't they check to make sure the prescriptions were right
Get the shrinks ASAP.