@@Jon-dv8pk enoch did not die nor Elijah they were taken in their physical self, and lot escaped what?? What about lot? You mean Sodom and Gomorrah? So Christians think they are Elijah and Enoch? No especially if your led by the Pauline Nicean doctrine.... this is what Jesus taught about the doctrines of men.
1 Corinthians 15 51 & 52 church rapture Paul gave you SLEEP and DEAD Revelation 20 5 But the rest of the DEAD lived not again until the thousand years have finished. This is the first resurrection. Daniel 12 2 And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. The church rapture is at judgement day 1 Thessalonians 5 10 whether we wake or SLEEP Again Paul says WE and SLEEP John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times. Jesus is truth keep the faith The church rapture is at judgement day It's all there in Revelation 20 The ten virgins story proves it too
If you reject the catching up of the body of Christ prior to The Time of JACOB'S Trouble, then you must also believe a born again Christian can lose their Salvation. But how could you possibly know when you all reject the perfect Word of God, the KJB.
I leaned about this from another pastor about 3 weeks ago. I always believed otherwise and taught blindly! I thank god that he allowed me to see the truth! THANK YOU JESUS!
The only reason the rapture is delayed is due to God's mercy upon the dull of hearing and the stubbornly prideful and rebellious God is infinitely merciful, but he will not wait forever
Luke 21:36 - Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man - Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Did anyone get raptured from the church of Philadelphia? Rev 3 And the word “eacape” in the book of Luke actually means preserved in its biblical context, look it up
@@josuezamora4258 The mention of the churches in Revelation were real churches and also prototypes of the state of the church in history Clearly we are in the last church right now, the Laodicean church. But the church before it was a near perfect church, and represents the great age of missions throughout the world We should model ourselves after this church, because it represents what a true believer should look like. And I use mason jars for my preserves. But the rapture is a great "perusia" or "snatching away" Any other word games?
To Post tribbers: Do you really think people will be eating, drinking, marrying. Basically going about business as usual at the end of the tribulation? If you do, then you have no idea what the tribulation is
The great tribulation is only 3 1/2 years which takes place during the middle of week according to Daniel’s prophecy but revelation mentions 7 years. To answer your question people will be marrying and partying and living life because they think they have reached a time of peace and prosperity and all sorts of the lust of the flesh until the middle of the week and that’s where you get verses like “ “for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.” 1 Thessalonians 5:2-8
Jesus comes after the Tribulation. We agree on that, I just believe that Jesus will rapture his church before the Tribulation. Luke 21:36 CLEARLY says that pray that you are worthy to escape ALL these things. Also, take a look at Revelation 3:10
Christ not only said, clearly, that He will return AFTER the Great Tribulation saying that THEN his angels will gather the ELECT, but also, in verse 15 He tells us that we'll see the Antichrist desecrating the Temple as predicted by Daniel. "So when you see standing in the holy place `the abomination that causes desolation,' [2] spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand--" Mt 24:15 The Spirit confirms this through Paul in 2 Tessalonians 2:3 stating, again, that Christ's return and the Rapture won't happen until there's a great apostasy and the Antichrist is revealed: "Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction." 2 Tess 2:3 In 1st Corinthians 15:52, talking about the rapture, the Spirit tells us that it will happen at the LAST TRUMPET, the seventh trumpet. "In a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." 1st Cor 15:52 As for Revelation 3, it speaks of the church of Philadelphia which is the sixth church of Revelation. The last in order is Laodicea, which is a precise description of the modern church: materially rich, spiritually poor, lukewarm. And even if Rev 3:10 spoke of the church of the last days, "keep you from the hour" doesn't mean to remove from the hour: Noah wasn't removed, the went through the flood but was kept safe while in the tribulation. Rahab wasn't moved out of the soon to be destroyed city but was kept from the catastrophe around her and so goes with so many other faith heroes. It won't be different to us. My fear is that the great apostasy will have as fuel the disappointment of people who believe that they will be raptured and aren't. They will let go of Christ and will experience the wrath of God. Martyrdom for the saved is the escape from this period of wrath and the Lord will be with the saved to the end, reassuring their faith, guiding them through this moment. What makes you think that, being in the midst of such a wicked church you'll be let go of the Tribulation when the purest church, the church that saw Jesus and the apostles, was thrown in the arenas to be devoured by beasts? DON'T LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU!
Yet the word of God says that Jesus will return 1260 days after the abomination of desolation, so how do we not know when He will return unless speaking about the rapture
@@justmyopinion7 consistency, pretribbers will say the Olivet discourse is not for the church but then claim "no one knows the day or the hour" is suddenly about the pre trib rapture. The context of the whole discussion was the coming of the Lord, the second coming. Be honest with the text.
No one knows the day or hour, but Jesus clearly states the things that must happen first. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 also clearly states that the man of lawlessness must be revealed first. And I am not at all buying the argument that this information given was only meant for the Jews in the last days. If the rapture could happen at any time, and only the Father knows, then wouldn't that create a problem with Jesus' foretelling of Peter's martyrdom
After tribulation period Revelation 1:7 Look, he is coming with the clouds, and EVERY! eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and ALL! peoples on earth will mourn because of him.
All prophecy complete means no 2000 year gap. Only the last day for the resurrection of all is left as per Martha. ”On his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. Now Bethany was less than two miles from Jerusalem, and many Jews had come to Martha and Mary to comfort them in the loss of their brother. When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went out to meet him, but Mary stayed at home. “Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my brother would not have died. But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.” Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”“ John 11:17-24 Martha got her eschatology right from Jesus.
I think true believers can agree to disagree on timing; it is God Who carries us through whatever trials we suffer. The danger we face would be if we recant. God's grace will enable us to persevere.
No His messages on original sin, prosperity preachers, the emptiness of the "sinner's prayer", and the absolute necessity of being born again- these are all great messages. But he's all wet on this one. So sad, since it's so important "There will come a spirit of deception so great so as to deceive, if possible, the very elect"
YOU MY BROTHER ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, I'VE STUDIED THIS FOR OVER 40 YEARS, TRIED TO SHOW PEOPLE BUT THEY WILL NOT EVEN LISTEN, THEY WILL NOT EVEN ENTERTAIN THE TRUTH THAT THERE IS NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. THE LORD SHOWED ONE LITTLE SENTENCE YEARS AGO THAT'S THERE IN THESSALONIANS. " THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST"
If you think that FATHER will make the Holy Spirit endure the pestilence you are dead wrong. HE will be taken out then instant insanity comes down. HELL is a choice we make and MANY have made that decision.
@@jeremiahkirby6552 You are completely deceived, you need to humble yourself and repent and receive The Lord Jesus Christ and be born again and baptized in the Holy Ghost. Learn God's word The Holy Bible KJV
@mountuplikeaneagle The bible says we (believers) will not feel His wrath/ Jesus tells us to be comforted / How could we be comforted if we were going to go thru the trib/ the church is not spoke of after the 3rd chp/ where did we go/ we are spoke about 19x before the 4th chp/ Bible says we are not appointed to wrath/ God does not want a battered bride / God always warns His believers b4 hand of danger all thru the bible/ There's no warning. There's just to much scripture backing up pre-trib Go listen to John Macarthur sermon on The Rapture...
I (very) respectfully disagree; perhaps a mid-Trib Rapture; believe there is alot of Word and also God showing a pattern of delivering believers from judgement (Noah, Lot). Where I think we pre-Tribbers miss it is in the degree of persecution we will see before that occurs; I think there will be a great deal of persecution of Believers (especially in the US) before the Rapture takes place (could start VERY soon)
Blindness will lead you to these suppositions. In the time in which we live Satan has mastered the doctrines of devils and confused most Christians. Have you ever heard vody bachman preach Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery?. And no you haven't. Romans 16:25.
Voddie, you have miss used scripture, when you used Daniel 12:10 ESV, I am appalled, since when do we " purify themselves " and " make themselves "! We don't purify ourselves, or make ourselves! Yashua did it, and does it, and is the only one! What do we need Yashua for if " we " can do it! Wrong, wrong, wrong! Furthermore, go ahead and ignore Rev 3:10 , ignore Yashua's very words if you must! Toreto'ec ( keep you out) or ( keep you from) the " hour " what hour ? The hour of tribulation, or testing! Why? Because you have kept my command. If we are already keeping HIS commands, why would we need to be tested? We wouldn't ! Thats why we are kept from the testing! Finally, the chuch doesn't need to worry about the tribulation! It's for the jews and unbelievers to bring about repentance! The quote " secret rapture"? No such thing, HARPOZO! The catching up, the gathering unto Himself in the clouds! Its not a secret! Yes, there will be mockers and scoffers and Yashua word deniers!
Voddie I love listening to your sermons you are an awesome pastor !!!! But the book of Daniel is not talking about the church he’s talking about Jacob’s trouble and the great tribulation is for God to go back dealing with the Jews not the church
Nope. God has been dealing with both the church and Israel for the last 2000 years. The rapture occurs at some point during the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week. m.th-cam.com/video/xwXoMNpOhos/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUtNyBwcmUtdHJpYiBwcm9ibGVtcyBhbmQgdGhlIHByZS13cmF0aCByYXB0dXJl Voddie's amillennial view is however unbiblical.
Daniel's Prayer for His People Dan 9:1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans; Dan 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. Dan 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes: Dan 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments; Dan 9:5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments: Dan 9:6 Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land. Dan 9:7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee. Dan 9:8 O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee. Dan 9:9 To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him; Dan 9:10 Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets. Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him. Dan 9:12 And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem. Dan 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth. Dan 9:14 Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice. Dan 9:15 And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly. Dan 9:16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us. Dan 9:17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake. Dan 9:18 O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies. Dan 9:19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name. Gabriel Brings an Answer Dan 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God; Dan 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. Dan 9:22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. Dan 9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision. The Seventy Weeks Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. Signs of the End of the Age Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. The Abomination of Desolation Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before. Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Proof there is a rapture.... There is nothing secret about it..... 1 Corinthians 15:50-58,,, 1 Thessalonians 4:13_18,, 1 Thessalonians 5:9,, Revelation 3:10,, Matthew 25:1-13 Psalm 27:4-6 plus many, many more... Typologies,, Noah and his family saved in the Ark. Lot and his family saved from Sodom and Gomorrah,, Israel saved out of Egypt,,, Meshak, Shadrack and Abednago saved in the furnace. And many many more.. I actually like Voodie and it surprised me to hear him say this but I will chose Christ every time. We need to be extra careful during these last days. Many wolves in sheep's clothing will come saying things we want to hear, but if they get something as simple as the rapture wrong,, What else are they falsely teaching..? Dont let ANYONE steal your crown. Revelation 3:11 Also watch for fake accounts. Like Jermiah 16 19 project..... Never back down from cowards who hide behind fake accounts..
And also the Flood, when did Noah and his family enter the ark? Before destruction of the word by water, before and who closed the door? God Did. The Parable of the 10 Virgins the marriage of the Bride and the Bride Groom, the five wise the five foolish, and when the five wise entered in the door was closed Rev 18, come out of her my people Rev 18:4, and Rev 18:23 days and the light of the candle will not shine anymore and voice and of the bridegroom and Bride will not be heard in you anymore.
Nope. It’s not there. Go read the Greek. We’re here. Prepare - we’re not getting taken up. It makes no sense. We HAVE to be here to help others be saved.
@@MarieV2withChrist Good Luck with that, you can’t save me and I can’t save you it’s an individual choice. So you can’t save anyone. Don’t expect to see you at the marriage supper if the Lamb. When the Rapture takes place the Holy Spirit is remove from the earth. So good luck, I will be at the marshes super with my Lord and Savior Yeshua Jesus
I guess so we that are believers are tortured by unbelievable catastrophes. No other generation has a double jeopardy situation. I guess Christ died for nothing.
No that is not the view. Belivers ARE saved from the wrath of God, but they will still be in Tribulation (example: Israel and 10 plages in Egypt). God will protect them from the wrath, but they will have persecution and even death by the unsaved people. So belivers will not taste the wrath of God, but might die for the gospel. Another example is the apostles and martyrs christians: they escaped the wrath of God and are in heaven for eternity, but they had many persecution and horrible death such as Bartholemew and Peter.
Amen And only the truly born again believer will hear the trumpet from heaven that calls believers up Remember the uninvited guest that tried to storm the heavenly banquet, but was turned away due to his soiled garment
This statement in 1Thess 4:14 which says, "God will bring with Him..." had confused pre trib rapture believers. Even pastor that I esteem so high to preach the truth, hev med me think maybe I am the one hu is wrong. Preacher like "Paul Washer" had disappointed me on this bcos he belive in it. Unless today. Many believe that Jesus will descend down with souls of those died in Him and meet with their body. But this verse wasn't saying so. Even if we assume that such unions might happen, but is not from this verse. Other must understand well there.
Luke 21:36 says, “Be hopeful that you may be considered worthy to escape ALL of these things which comes to pass.” What do you think Jesus meant by that?
@CountCulture27 “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." Luk 21:36 Would u pliz read all books like Matt 24, Mark 13, & compare with Luke 21. U will understand what Luke meant when he uses the word "ESCAPE." since u understand that this escape is to take believers out of the earth, not to face tribulation and go thru it. This is how others misunderstand Rev 3:10. Just to justify their confusions & errors. I don't know who stops us from expanding our understandin. Read again and again with prayers, asking God if u understand His word correctly. If u do not, allow Him to teach u more. But if u refuse, med up yo mind that u won't b corrected anymore, that upto u. Is yo choice. Each 1 hev a free will 2 decide what 2 believe. Don't b surprised upon u c tribulation, falling away and the antichrist is revealed b4 Jesus appeares. Don't believe what I am saying, but I assure u that if trib delayeth not, both u & I will face it. Watch out.
I actually have read all of the Gospels fairly recently. So, please understand that what you are saying I have considered and do think it is possible that we could face the Tribulation. But, if you actually have read them, how can you not see the better possibility of the Rapture? 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 talks about it. There will be one, the matter is when. Because Jesus uses wedding language all the time AND the church is not mentioned once after chapter 4 in Revelation it leads me to believe a Pre-Trip rapture is the most likely. You have said I misunderstood verse 21:36. How? I have read the entire New Testament a few times. Most of the Matthew 24 is total 2nd coming. He doesn’t talk about the Rapture. But, the doctrine of imminence takes away the thought that the second coming of Jesus is the “thief in the night” as Revelation pretty much says exactly when he’ll come. So, please enlighten me on where I am missing the boat in your opinion. (Not sarcasm, truly asking)
Excuse me, but I have read all of the books of the New Testament. How do you interpret what he means by escape? A simple reading WITH the context of scripture seems to indicate, well, a possible escape from “all these things.”
Jesus also says 4 times in John 6 that he will raise from the dead all that the Father has given him on the last day! Lazarus’ sister Martha tells jesus, “ yes Lord I know my brother will rise again on the last day. Parable of the tares and wheat, jesus says the angels are the reapers and the harvest is the end of the age. There are so many these days who don’t study scripture and that makes them susceptible to false doctrine! We are commanded to study the word of God. And judge what we hear by the scripture. With all the warnings about false doctrine, false teachings, and false prophets in the last days you would think true Christians would study more and be well acquainted with what scripture says!
Uh huh, and what about those thousands of his saints following him down from heaven on horses that Jude speaks about The only dead he's raising then are unbelievers
FACT: NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE do you find a description of an event where the RIGHTOUS are taken off earth and the WICKED are LEFT BEHIND. SO B4 you can argue if said event occurs pre trib or post, or pre wrath, first you must demonstrate WITH SCRIPTURE said event occurs at all,at any time. It isn't biblical. The Bible does not describe such event where church is removed from earth, and the wicked left behind. IT SAYS THE EXACT OPPOSITE. Read it. Prov. 10:30 The righteous shall ((((NEVER))) be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth. Ps 37:10Soon the wicked will disappear. Though you look for them, they will be gone. Never means never in greek. Notice it is the wicked that vanish from earth, we are NEVER removed. In rapture reenactment videos, they show the lost ppl looking for the church that vanished. But Bible says the church will look for them wicked and the wicked have vanished. There is only the 2nd Advent, at the LAST Trump. Terr are 7. God will protect His Church THROUGH the tribulation just like Noah, Meshack, Shadrach, Abendigo who the fire could not touch, just like those at the red sea. Nothing to fear.
It's healthy to be contrite enough, Isaiah 66:1-2, to consider that you may be incorrect about the mysteries in the book of Revelation including the rapture. It will all be revealed at that time.
1. Doctrine of Christ imminent return. Can’t be imminent if there needs to be a 7 year tribulation hour. 2. Hebrew customs is bridegroom goes to prepair a place- at what hour of his return we know not. Stay ready ( again doctrine of Christ imminent return ) but when he comes back- takes virgin then consumates then 7 day feast. Or atleast a great feast. Aka 7 years of tribulation Christian’s in heaven for feast . 3. Christ returns WITH his angels WITH his saints. Can’t be with him if we are being caught up. 4. Tribulation is testing. Or same same- punishment and disciplining. Would Christ beat up his wife before he comes and get her. 5. Christian’s are suffering now why is 1 thes caught up a blessed hope when we just gunna get murdered in the 7 year tribulation. Not very blessed is it. Any thoughts ?
So if I don't believe in the rapture but I am saved by Jesus then will I still be raptured if there is one?..should I worship and pray about the rapture even if I don't believe it?..just asking..
Nope, blind faith will not help you on this one You have to looking up at this very time when "these things begin to happen, look up for your redemption draws nigh" You have to be born again, sealed by the blood and want it. Jesus said, I know my sheep, my sheep know me and my sheep hear my voice If you're comfortable and at ease in this world, you will definitely miss it
The seven year tribulation is called the Wrath of God in the Old Testament. Zephaniah 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. Zephaniah 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, Zephaniah 1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. Zephaniah 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. Zephaniah 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land. I & II Thessalonians is addressed to the church, the body of Christ. The doctrine of the gathering together of the saints, the catching away, the rapture is in Thessalonians. 1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. The rapture of the church is a comfort to the church. The Bible interptets itself in the context. Surrounding the doctrine of the gathering together in I Thessalonians 4 are two verses of scripture that add to the context of the doctrine. 1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, "which delivered us from the wrath to come." And: 1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. Knowing to whom Thessalonian is addressed, the members of the body of Christ; and that in the context, the Word of God explains Itself. We, the Body of Christ, will be taken up and saved from the wrath to come. Because Romans 8:1 says that there is therefore no judicial judgement to them which are in Christ Jesus.
Regardless of their position on the “rapture” true believers will suffer and die for our Savior, Christ Jesus. The Bible says nothing about taking the church up before the Great Tribulation. Those who died in Christ Jesus will be resurrected prior to the wrath of God-but are called to persevere and endure through all tribulations; no matter how bad it gets our blessed hope is our Savior Jesus Christ NOT a secret rapture. We don’t get to skip out bc it’s our testimonies that will encourage one another, and the power of our testimonies that will bring others to Christ.
The bible says we (believers) will not feel His wrath/ Jesus tells us to be comforted / How could we be comforted if we were going to go thru the trib/ the church is not spoke of after the 3rd chp/ where did we go/ we are spoke about 19x before the 4th chp/ Bible says we are not appointed to wrath/ God does not want a battered bride / God always warns His believers b4 hand of danger all thru the bible/ There's no warning. There's just to much scripture backing up pre-trib Go listen to John Macarthur sermon on The Rapture...
@@vallorypoole8117 I love John MacArthur-his Biblical teachings are spot on and I truly believe that he’s absolutely accurate on everything that he teaches. I actually got saved listening to his sermons-praise Jesus. My son’s first Bible was the John MacArthur NKJV study Bible. The only thing I do not agree with is his eschatological views; especially regarding his interpretation of the pre-tribulation rapture.
Those who insist on remaining on earth during the tribulation are welcome to it Nothing about the rapture beforehand? "behold I show you a mystery We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed In a moment, in the twinkling of the eye Two shall be in a field, one taken the other left Two shall be in bed, one taken the other left" All in times when life goes on as usual, NOT when people are running for their lives in terror, during the tribulation Those taken are the chosen ones. the ones with white robes at the marriage supper of the lamb Those left behind will find themselves martyred during the tribulation, and many will take the mark of the beast and be condemned forever. So, gird up your loins. rapture deniers Your fiery trial to come is not to purify you as a true disciple of Christ It is to expose you as a lukewarm, worldly Christian who loved "this present world" more than Christ
Matthew 25:1-13 the kingdom of God is likened unto 10 virgins. Five were wise and five were foolish the foolish Christian group their lights have gone out and they had no oil in their vessel. They were kept out from the marriage supper when the bridegroom came and took the wise. And the marriage door was shu Matthew 7:21 - 27 the foolish virgin - Christians pounding on the marriage door demanding the Lord open up the door and let them in. The Lord's reply was I don't know you I never knew you depart from you that worked lawlessness. They did not keep the commands of the Lord. They lived a natural carnal life. They were not born again they were not regenerated by the Holy Spirit s Work. In Luke 12:35 - 36 the Lord commands the foolish christians. By saying. When I return from the wedding! Make sure your lights are burning bright and I will receive you at that time. That time is immediately after the Great Tribulation. The problem or reason why the foolish did not enter into the marriage supper because their lights have gone out and they had no oil. Revelation 19:1 - 21 you have the marriage supper of the lamb for 7 years and at the end of those 7 years the church that was granted fine linen clean and white as the bride she is now following Jesus back wearing find linen clean and white riding white horses to the Earth with the Lord. They are returning from the marriage supper to the Earth for judgment and establishing the kingdom of God on earth. New Jerusalem
Wordly tribulation is not the same as Daniel’s 70th week, or the time of JACOBS trouble, which is only decreed for Israel. (Daniel 9:24). How this simple distinction is lost on so many is baffling. Aside from Paul’s rapture verses, John 14:1-3 is Jesus promising to come and “take us to himself” the Greek “paralambano” so that we will be with him where he is, in the place he prepared for us in his fathers house. “Paralambano” is the same exact word used in the Olivet discourse to describe the “one will be taken and the other left.” It is always used in the overwhelming positive sense of close fellowship. While pre-trib is not exclusively taught in scripture, you can make a very sound case for it biblically.
I do love Voddie's teaching but he said there is no millennial reign and if there were, there will be animal sacrifices while Jesus is reigning on earth??? Why would there is animal sacrifices?? I thought during Jesus reign the world will be perfect, no death, evil, sin sickness etc. I dont believe in pre-trib rapture, I do believe the church will go through the great tribulation. But I guess I need to learn more about the millennial reign of Christ.
This is true, why because this pre tribulation will help to purify the church of Christ. Lets not forget the massage from Christ, that those who tries to serve their lives will lose it. During this time I believe there would be no fake believer.🔥
exactly true ,,I second the VOTE from THESS,,,Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
Yep... it's pretty hard to dance around that scripture. But they will go to any lengths to do just that. One response from the dogmatic pre-tribbers is that they redefine "falling away/apostasia" as really meaning "rapture". And another tactic is to say that the only text of the New Testament meant for the Church are the 4 Gospels and Romans... the rest of the books are only meant for Israel. And the grand daddy of them all is that Paul was a false apostle, which gets rid of pesky text to the disp********alists like what's found in the Book of Galatians.
If you really want to shore up your position, why not toss the heretical notion that Paul was a false apostle out there, too. That one's gaining popularity these days and does a dandy job for the really hard core disp********alists by discarding scripture that contradicts their position, such as the Book of Galatians.
I agree with there is not pre-trib rapture taught anywhere in scripture but using that logic backfires when we speak of the trinity which expressly is taught in scripture but the word is never used. The rapture is taught in scripture it just wont precede tribulation like many have been led to believe.
You don't find the word rapture in the Bible because you're speak English and read an American Bible You're false information is debunked very easily You should know for yourself, that the New Testament was written in Greek and Latin If you pick up a Greek Bible and read 1st Thessalonians 4:17 you will see the word harpazo If you pick up a Latin Bible and read 1st Thessalonians chapter 4 verse 17, you will see your word Raptura You read English so when you read 1st Thessalonians 4:17 you see the phrase "caught up" It's amazing how many people make this ignorant claim that the word rapture is not in the Bible Now that you know it's in the bible, you should look into what you never believed in; That which is in the Bible
The "pre-trib rapture" is a very divisive controversial issue. There are consequences to this belief. I hope it's scriptural and occurs but I'm a realist and have been blessed to learn some things about SUFFERING. Hope for the best but be prepared for all the rest. What happens to those " left behind"? But, if it does mot happen as hoped for, what becomes of the millions who wanted and expected the pre-trib rapture only to learn they are the primary target of the beast and society? How many will “fall away” in disappointment, shock and fear.? Can you endure until the end under such distressing persecution? We ,the body of Christ, need " basic training", to toughen up, be stronger and face the fires of hell and understand that this is a hard fought spiritual WAR, and the will of God concerning you. The times of luxury, ease and comfort are fading fast, the times of troubles, distress, pressures are racing down the field of history right toward you and I. The stage is now set, the players are in place and the beast systems are now rising around you. Be Aware, Pray, and Prepare and live in God's Love
When you read Daniel, every time he says "my people", well Daniel was Jewish so he's talking about the Jews When Daniel was quoted by jesus, who was Jesus talking to while Jesus was still preaching in the Old Testament until his resurrection? J E W S Did not Jesus say twice that he came to his own, only? Daniel is not about the church. Daniel was not written to the church. Daniel was written to the Jews like the entire Old Testament was We can certainly benefit from the Old Testament by knowing it and understanding it, but the Old Testament was not written for the church. It was for the Jews. If you want to know the promises to the church you got to go to the new testament which begins after jesus, the testator, rose from the dead. When you read Pauls writing about getting caught up, about the harpazo in Greek, about the Rapture in latin, wekl, Paul is talking to the church and the promises under grace. Daniel was talking about the promises under the law It is another classic case of mistaken identity by Voddie, as good as a preacher that he is, he fails miserably in this area. yes miserably If you are a born again christian, your promises of grace, under the new blood covenant, are found in the New Testament If you are not born again and are Jewish or gentile, your promises, good and bad, are found under the law in the Old Testament This is simple Bible 101 understanding that voddie lacks The truth of Christ be with you, reader
I like Voddie and he's usually spot on but wrong here it's funny how preachers that don't use the the KJV will go off somewhere or another please get back to the old book that will not steer you wrong.
Ok, then please read the very first sentence in Matthew 24:29 in the KJV. Then read the rest of it until the end of verse 31. Please don't overlook or ignore the very first sentence in verse 29.
@@clonearmy77 yes I believe that is the second coming of Christ but not the rapture which has taken place years before the elect will be gathered for the millennial reign but they will enter as mortals not immortals as the raptured Christians are.
Pre-trib is a lie? Well of course it is. The rapture occurs at some point during the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week, cutting short the time of great tribulation for the sake of the elect. You know what else is a lie? Amillennialism.
That word is not in the bible. So that says something right there. Living in this day. You know greater tribulation is coming. Shucks, we in a one now. For many shall die before and this is occurring at this time. Those left behind will go up with him. Thats not a pre- secret its what the word says. That's the 1st Resurrection. God is mysterious but he doesnt perform secret things. This makes sense. It shouldn't matter either way if you die, or go with him, the principal is that you shall be with him in the end.
It is in the bible. In Latin the word caught up is rapture it’s where we get it from like fetus isn’t an English word for baby. But it is the word we often use for pre born babies.
I liked the video until the silly 'subscribe pop' and 'bell click' loudly interrupted Voddie's preaching. I really hope you don't do this in all your videos. For that reason alone, I won't be subscribing. It's distracting. If you remove it (& any other distractions that may happen during the video) then I will be more likely to subscribe and 'like' your video. And pass it on to others. I just finished the video. The distractions came 2 more times... in mid sentence no less! If you want to grow your channel, remove those interruptions from all your content ... and stop adding it to new videos in the first place! You may be surprised how many more subscriptions you'll receive... and likes. I'll be the first to do both when you inform me of the changes. And Iwill pass this video on to others! Please and thank you.
The holy people is Israel in the final 3 1/2 years of Daniel’s 70th week! This is so sad that Voddie puts the church into Israel’s position. Romans 11:25-27 is clear! Voddie is either ignorant or a liar!
So, it's *NOT* okay that the Church should endure the Great Tribulation, but it is okay that the "holy people" of Israel do??? BTW, the "holy people" in Israel in the final 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week will be celebrating the death of the two witnesses as their bodies lay in the street for 3 days. If the term "Israel" in the verse "All Israel will be saved" is referring to Israelites, then how do we square that with the prophecy in Zechariah where 1/3 are brought through the refining fires, while 2/3 parish? On the other hand, if "Israel" in "all Israel will be saved" is referring to both those who are grafted into and back into the Olive tree, then we have no contradiction whatsoever. As for pre-trib... without redefining the term "falling away/apostasia" in the text, what does 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 clearly tell us?
Proof of A Pre trib Rapture. Pay Attention to the Cloud and Clouds Jesus appears In and With. Act's chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 Cloud. In Red Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming In A Cloud the Rapture. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming With the Clouds when he comes back to the Mt of Olive the second coming KJV. Read it carefully.
William Branham followers belive in pre trib rapture. And again, they believe that the church will go through tribulations but not the gentile Bride. For he teaches that there is a different between the church and the bride. I am like where does the scripture mention this differences? May God help many pre tribulation rapture to understand the truth.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things
Voddie is so wrong. The bible says we (believers) will not feel His wrath/ Jesus tells us to be comforted / How could we be comforted if we were going to go thru the trib/ the church is not spoke of after the 3rd chp/ where did we go/ we are spoke about 19x before the 4th chp/ Bible says we are not appointed to wrath/ God does not want a battered bride / God always warns His believers b4 hand of danger all thru the bible/ There's no warning. There's just to much scripture backing up pre-trib Go listen to John Macarthur sermon on The Rapture...
Voddie does preach well but where I disagree with him also is on the believe of nephilim or the fallen angels to hev sexual relationship with human and brought forth giant. I don't know if he still believes that. I use to wonder why many p'pol think Genesis 6 that way. But it's far from it. P'pol think, by bringing what they call originally text, they will get things right.
If I told you I have a white SUV and then the next day I tell you I have a silver hatchback, how many cars do I have? For the pre-trib rapture there is a flash of light and dead bodies (Luke 17:22-37; Matt 24:27-28). We leave our bodies on earth. Our body will not disappear. 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the only resurrection for the saints on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52). Jesus moved Lot and Noah to safety first and then judgment was executed. The restrainer must be removed before the AC gets his chance.
Not one single verse says that there is a pre trib rapture of the church, but 2Thess. 2:3,4 says that the man of sin will come first, claiming to be god and will sit in the temple, before the rapture takes place! 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God
@@justmyopinion7 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
@@justmyopinion7 The question you should ask is: Is 2 Thess. 2:1-8 right or is it wrong? Because it clearly teaches the antiChrist and his activity before Jesus’ return to rapture the saints and to destroy the antiChrist! Jesus also teaches it in Matt. 24! Most people will believe John Darby and Hal Lindsey before they’ll believe the Holy Scriptures!
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, and by our gathering together unto him = Pre-tribulation Rapture.
Lol. Nothing in that quote says pre trib. It gives zero indication of timing or order. But that's a great example of just how empty and without merit your whole dreamed up heresy is. 1 Thes 4:16-17 clearly states the dead in Christ rise FIRST THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up. The Rev 20:4-5 Clearly states the FIRST resurrection includes those who were beheaded and did not take the mark of the beast or worship his image. Order clearly spelled out. Tribulation martyrs raised and then the rapture.
If a person cites half of a sentence as evidence, they can make the Bible say anything they want. Verse 2 is the second half of the sentence. Verses 3 and 4 are the required condition for verse 1. The man of sin must be revealed. That is done by sitting in the Temple of YHVH claiming to be God. You conveniently omitted all the information that proves you wrong. That would a textbook example of cherry-picking.
@@garrydalton1580 Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is associated with the day of the Lord, that time during which God personally intervenes in history to accomplish His plan (see Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2). It is referred to as “tribulation . . . in the latter days” (Deuteronomy 4:30); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); “a time of distress” (Daniel 12:1); and “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7). And we have this description of the tribulation that attends the day of the Lord: “That day will be a day of wrath- a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness- a day of trumpet and battle cry” (Zephaniah 1:15-16). Also, it's Jesus Himself who is opening up the scrolls in Revelation, and the people who are on the earth at the time will know it is the wrath of God: "And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Revelation 6:15-17
@@garrydalton1580 It's Jesus Himself who is opening up the scrolls in Revelation, and the people who are on the earth at the time even know it is the wrath of God: "And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Revelation 6:15-17 Also, all over the Old Testament as "the Day of the Lord", the "Time of Jacob's Trouble", "Daniel's 70th Week", etc.
@Smyrna-777 Jesus says in Matthew 24 that the days of the great tribulation should be shortened, because no flesh would be saved. Why would God shorten his own wrath
@@garrydalton1580 He doesn't say He shortens His wrath, only He shortens the days. Either the days are shorter, or the end comes in general or both. God's wrath is exactly at the appointed time (His) and lasts exactly for the appointed time (His). From what I understand from studying God's Word is that among other things, Jesus is saying if He doesn't step in when He does, we'd literally end ourselves. Historically, whenever a nation and/or culture turns away from the Lord, it goes very badly for them. The "latter days" that the Bible describes tells us that the whole world will turn away from God, corporately, as if it were one single nation, because it will be a one world government.
1. Doctrine of Christ imminent return. Can’t be imminent if there needs to be a 7 year tribulation hour. 2. Hebrew customs is bridegroom goes to prepair a place- at what hour of his return we know not. Stay ready ( again doctrine of Christ imminent return ) but when he comes back- takes virgin then consumates then 7 day feast. Or atleast a great feast. Aka 7 years of tribulation Christian’s in heaven for feast . 3. Christ returns WITH his angels WITH his saints. Can’t be with him if we are being caught up. 4. Tribulation is testing. Or same same- punishment and disciplining. Would Christ beat up his wife before he comes and get her. 5. Christian’s are suffering now why is 1 thes caught up a blessed hope when we just gunna get murdered in the 7 year tribulation. Not very blessed is it. Any thoughts ?
There is absolutely a rapture, aka harpazo, before the "Hour of Trial" as Jesus calls it in Revelation 3:10, or as the world calls it, the Tribulation. However, when the harpazo does happen, it won't be like the movies...because when it does happen, those left behind won't even know it happened, and if you carefully read and study the Book of Revelation regarding the events that take place between Revelation 6:9 and 7:17...you might be able to see it. I pray you do, in Jesus name, amen.
@@garrydalton1580 If I told you I have a white SUV and then the next day I tell you I have a silver hatchback, how many cars do I have? For the pre-trib rapture there is a flash of light and dead bodies (Luke 17:22-37; Matt 24:27-28). We leave our bodies on earth. Our body will not disappear. 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the only resurrection for the saints on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52). Jesus moved Lot and Noah to safety first and then judgment was executed. The restrainer must be removed before the AC gets his chance.
@onetakendotnet Yes Jesus moved Lot and Noah, but not off the earth. If you believe in a pre trib rapture that's fine, and I have nothing against you at all. I believe in the rapture, but just not pre trib
There is absolutely a rapture, aka harpazo, before the "Hour of Trial" as Jesus calls it in Revelation 3:10, or as the world calls it, the Tribulation. However, when the harpazo does happen, it won't be like the movies...because when it does happen, those left behind won't even know it happened, and if you carefully read and study the Book of Revelation regarding the events that take place between Revelation 6:9 and 7:17...you might be able to see it. I pray you do, in Jesus name, amen.
HOW SO VERY TRUE SO FEW ARE AWARE. THANK YOU
This is the truth. Pre-tribulation makes no sense: why would the disciples suffer and die for being Christ followers, and we today be spared?
No it doesn't... You follow Jesus tell me where Jesus talked about a rapture. Not Paul since most Christians confuse Paul's writings.
@@brothercarlos6944did Enoch die did Elijah die did lot escape
@@Jon-dv8pk enoch did not die nor Elijah they were taken in their physical self, and lot escaped what?? What about lot? You mean Sodom and Gomorrah? So Christians think they are Elijah and Enoch? No especially if your led by the Pauline Nicean doctrine.... this is what Jesus taught about the doctrines of men.
1 Corinthians 15 51 & 52 church rapture
Paul gave you SLEEP and DEAD
Revelation 20 5
But the rest of the DEAD lived not again until the thousand years have finished. This is the first resurrection.
Daniel 12 2
And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
The church rapture is at judgement day
1 Thessalonians 5 10 whether we wake or SLEEP
Again Paul says WE and SLEEP
John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times. Jesus is truth keep the faith
The church rapture is at judgement day
It's all there in Revelation 20
The ten virgins story proves it too
If you reject the catching up of the body of Christ prior to The Time of JACOB'S Trouble, then you must also believe a born again Christian can lose their Salvation.
But how could you possibly know when you all reject the perfect Word of God, the KJB.
I leaned about this from another pastor about 3 weeks ago. I always believed otherwise and taught blindly! I thank god that he allowed me to see the truth! THANK YOU JESUS!
The only reason the rapture is delayed is due to God's mercy upon the dull of hearing and the stubbornly prideful and rebellious God is infinitely merciful, but he will not wait forever
Luke 21:36 - Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man - Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Did anyone get raptured from the church of Philadelphia? Rev 3
And the word “eacape” in the book of Luke actually means preserved in its biblical context, look it up
@@josuezamora4258 The mention of the churches in Revelation were real churches and also prototypes of the state of the church in history Clearly we are in the last church right now, the Laodicean church. But the church before it was a near perfect church, and represents the great age of missions throughout the world We should model ourselves after this church, because it represents what a true believer should look like. And I use mason jars for my preserves. But the rapture is a great "perusia" or "snatching away" Any other word games?
Spot on interpretation.. good job
To Post tribbers:
Do you really think people will be eating, drinking, marrying. Basically going about business as usual at the end of the tribulation? If you do, then you have no idea what the tribulation is
The great tribulation is only 3 1/2 years which takes place during the middle of week according to Daniel’s prophecy but revelation mentions 7 years. To answer your question people will be marrying and partying and living life because they think they have reached a time of peace and prosperity and all sorts of the lust of the flesh until the middle of the week and that’s where you get verses like “ “for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.”
1 Thessalonians 5:2-8
Matthew 24:29-30 clearly says Jesus only returns AFTER the Tribulation...
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Jesus comes after the Tribulation. We agree on that, I just believe that Jesus will rapture his church before the Tribulation. Luke 21:36 CLEARLY says that pray that you are worthy to escape ALL these things.
Also, take a look at Revelation 3:10
Yep. Sad how it says it right there so clearly and people just want to believe otherwise.
@@CountCulture27 Luke 21 is dealing with 70 AD. He's talking directly to 1st century Jews about the destruction that is about to happen.
@@CountCulture27 So then the church in Philadelphia was also raptured, right?
Christ not only said, clearly, that He will return AFTER the Great Tribulation saying that THEN his angels will gather the ELECT, but also, in verse 15 He tells us that we'll see the Antichrist desecrating the Temple as predicted by Daniel.
"So when you see standing in the holy place `the abomination that causes desolation,' [2] spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand--" Mt 24:15
The Spirit confirms this through Paul in 2 Tessalonians 2:3 stating, again, that Christ's return and the Rapture won't happen until there's a great apostasy and the Antichrist is revealed:
"Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction."
2 Tess 2:3
In 1st Corinthians 15:52, talking about the rapture, the Spirit tells us that it will happen at the LAST TRUMPET, the seventh trumpet.
"In a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."
1st Cor 15:52
As for Revelation 3, it speaks of the church of Philadelphia which is the sixth church of Revelation. The last in order is Laodicea, which is a precise description of the modern church: materially rich, spiritually poor, lukewarm. And even if Rev 3:10 spoke of the church of the last days, "keep you from the hour" doesn't mean to remove from the hour: Noah wasn't removed, the went through the flood but was kept safe while in the tribulation. Rahab wasn't moved out of the soon to be destroyed city but was kept from the catastrophe around her and so goes with so many other faith heroes. It won't be different to us.
My fear is that the great apostasy will have as fuel the disappointment of people who believe that they will be raptured and aren't. They will let go of Christ and will experience the wrath of God. Martyrdom for the saved is the escape from this period of wrath and the Lord will be with the saved to the end, reassuring their faith, guiding them through this moment.
What makes you think that, being in the midst of such a wicked church you'll be let go of the Tribulation when the purest church, the church that saw Jesus and the apostles, was thrown in the arenas to be devoured by beasts?
DON'T LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU!
Matthew 24:36 no one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but, only the Father.
John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times. Two resurrections
Just like Revelation 20 says
Yet the word of God says that Jesus will return 1260 days after the abomination of desolation, so how do we not know when He will return unless speaking about the rapture
@@justmyopinion7 consistency, pretribbers will say the Olivet discourse is not for the church but then claim "no one knows the day or the hour" is suddenly about the pre trib rapture. The context of the whole discussion was the coming of the Lord, the second coming. Be honest with the text.
No one knows the day or hour, but Jesus clearly states the things that must happen first. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 also clearly states that the man of lawlessness must be revealed first. And I am not at all buying the argument that this information given was only meant for the Jews in the last days.
If the rapture could happen at any time, and only the Father knows, then wouldn't that create a problem with Jesus' foretelling of Peter's martyrdom
After tribulation period Revelation 1:7 Look, he is coming with the clouds, and EVERY! eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and ALL! peoples on earth will mourn because of him.
All prophecy complete means no 2000 year gap.
Only the last day for the resurrection of all is left as per Martha.
”On his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been in the tomb for four days. Now Bethany was less than two miles from Jerusalem, and many Jews had come to Martha and Mary to comfort them in the loss of their brother. When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went out to meet him, but Mary stayed at home. “Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my brother would not have died. But I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.” Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”“
John 11:17-24
Martha got her eschatology right from Jesus.
I think true believers can agree to disagree on timing; it is God Who carries us through whatever trials we suffer. The danger we face would be if we recant. God's grace will enable us to persevere.
One return not 3
Great message Voddie!
No His messages on original sin, prosperity preachers, the emptiness of the "sinner's prayer", and the absolute necessity of being born again- these are all great messages. But he's all wet on this one. So sad, since it's so important "There will come a spirit of deception so great so as to deceive, if possible, the very elect"
YOU MY BROTHER ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, I'VE STUDIED THIS FOR OVER 40 YEARS, TRIED TO SHOW PEOPLE BUT THEY WILL NOT EVEN LISTEN, THEY WILL NOT EVEN ENTERTAIN THE TRUTH THAT THERE IS NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. THE LORD SHOWED ONE LITTLE SENTENCE YEARS AGO THAT'S THERE IN THESSALONIANS. " THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST"
If you think that FATHER will make the Holy Spirit endure the pestilence you are dead wrong. HE will be taken out then instant insanity comes down. HELL is a choice we make and MANY have made that decision.
@@jeremiahkirby6552 You are completely deceived, you need to humble yourself and repent and receive The Lord Jesus Christ and be born again and baptized in the Holy Ghost.
Learn God's word The Holy Bible KJV
@@mountuplikeaneagle I warned you!!
@@jeremiahkirby6552 You warned me about what? Reading the utter foolishness you wrote shows that you are of your father the devil
@mountuplikeaneagle The bible says we (believers) will not feel His wrath/ Jesus tells us to be comforted / How could we be comforted if we were going to go thru the trib/ the church is not spoke of after the 3rd chp/ where did we go/ we are spoke about 19x before the 4th chp/ Bible says we are not appointed to wrath/ God does not want a battered bride / God always warns His believers b4 hand of danger all thru the bible/ There's no warning. There's just to much scripture backing up pre-trib Go listen to John Macarthur sermon on The Rapture...
I (very) respectfully disagree; perhaps a mid-Trib Rapture; believe there is alot of Word and also God showing a pattern of delivering believers from judgement (Noah, Lot).
Where I think we pre-Tribbers miss it is in the degree of persecution we will see before that occurs; I think there will be a great deal of persecution of Believers (especially in the US) before the Rapture takes place (could start VERY soon)
Blindness will lead you to these suppositions. In the time in which we live Satan has mastered the doctrines of devils and confused most Christians. Have you ever heard vody bachman preach Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery?. And no you haven't. Romans 16:25.
Voddie, you have miss used scripture, when you used Daniel 12:10 ESV, I am appalled, since when do we " purify themselves " and " make themselves "! We don't purify ourselves, or make ourselves! Yashua did it, and does it, and is the only one! What do we need Yashua for if " we " can do it! Wrong, wrong, wrong! Furthermore, go ahead and ignore Rev 3:10 , ignore Yashua's very words if you must! Toreto'ec ( keep you out) or ( keep you from) the " hour " what hour ? The hour of tribulation, or testing! Why? Because you have kept my command. If we are already keeping HIS commands, why would we need to be tested? We wouldn't ! Thats why we are kept from the testing! Finally, the chuch doesn't need to worry about the tribulation! It's for the jews and unbelievers to bring about repentance! The quote " secret rapture"? No such thing, HARPOZO! The catching up, the gathering unto Himself in the clouds! Its not a secret! Yes, there will be mockers and scoffers and Yashua word deniers!
I totally agree with you !
Do you trunk or treat
Do you trunk or treat??
Yeah he just called john MacArthur a blasphemer…. That’s defamation
Voddie I love listening to your sermons you are an awesome pastor !!!! But the book of Daniel is not talking about the church he’s talking about Jacob’s trouble and the great tribulation is for God to go back dealing with the Jews not the church
Nope. God has been dealing with both the church and Israel for the last 2000 years.
The rapture occurs at some point during the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week.
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Voddie's amillennial view is however unbiblical.
Daniel's Prayer for His People
Dan 9:1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans;
Dan 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
Dan 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:
Dan 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;
Dan 9:5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments:
Dan 9:6 Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.
Dan 9:7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee.
Dan 9:8 O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.
Dan 9:9 To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him;
Dan 9:10 Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets.
Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
Dan 9:12 And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem.
Dan 9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.
Dan 9:14 Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice.
Dan 9:15 And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.
Dan 9:16 O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.
Dan 9:17 Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake.
Dan 9:18 O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.
Dan 9:19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
Gabriel Brings an Answer
Dan 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
Dan 9:21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
Dan 9:22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.
Dan 9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
The Seventy Weeks
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Signs of the End of the Age
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
The Abomination of Desolation
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
John 14 = Wedding Terminology = Revelation 19 = The Marriage Supper (before the 2nd Coming) -
Proof there is a rapture.... There is nothing secret about it..... 1 Corinthians 15:50-58,,, 1 Thessalonians 4:13_18,, 1 Thessalonians 5:9,, Revelation 3:10,, Matthew 25:1-13 Psalm 27:4-6 plus many, many more...
Typologies,, Noah and his family saved in the Ark. Lot and his family saved from Sodom and Gomorrah,, Israel saved out of Egypt,,, Meshak, Shadrack and Abednago saved in the furnace. And many many more..
I actually like Voodie and it surprised me to hear him say this but I will chose Christ every time. We need to be extra careful during these last days. Many wolves in sheep's clothing will come saying things we want to hear, but if they get something as simple as the rapture wrong,, What else are they falsely teaching..? Dont let ANYONE steal your crown. Revelation 3:11
Also watch for fake accounts. Like Jermiah 16 19 project..... Never back down from cowards who hide behind fake accounts..
And also the Flood, when did Noah and his family enter the ark? Before destruction of the word by water, before and who closed the door? God Did.
The Parable of the 10 Virgins the marriage of the Bride and the Bride Groom, the five wise the five foolish, and when the five wise entered in the door was closed
Rev 18, come out of her my people Rev 18:4, and Rev 18:23 days and the light of the candle will not shine anymore and voice and of the bridegroom and Bride will not be heard in you anymore.
I AM WITH YOU. WE ARE RAPTURED BEFORE THE TRIBULATION
Nope. It’s not there. Go read the Greek. We’re here. Prepare - we’re not getting taken up. It makes no sense. We HAVE to be here to help others be saved.
@@MarieV2withChrist Good Luck with that, you can’t save me and I can’t save you it’s an individual choice. So you can’t save anyone.
Don’t expect to see you at the marriage supper if the Lamb.
When the Rapture takes place the Holy Spirit is remove from the earth.
So good luck, I will be at the marshes super with my Lord and Savior Yeshua Jesus
@oldmanpatriot1490 / AMEN SIR VODDIE IS ALL WRONG.. CHRIST TAUGHT US WHATS RIGHT...
Do I understand right that a believer is not saved from the wrath of God?
I guess so we that are believers are tortured by unbelievable catastrophes. No other generation has a double jeopardy situation. I guess Christ died for nothing.
No that is not the view. Belivers ARE saved from the wrath of God, but they will still be in Tribulation (example: Israel and 10 plages in Egypt). God will protect them from the wrath, but they will have persecution and even death by the unsaved people.
So belivers will not taste the wrath of God, but might die for the gospel. Another example is the apostles and martyrs christians: they escaped the wrath of God and are in heaven for eternity, but they had many persecution and horrible death such as Bartholemew and Peter.
What's sad those who are being persecuted and martyred for their faith In other countries-'There is no secret rapture
every time the angels are sent , they are sent to rid the chaff first
I pray this man gets his Eschatology right and understand that Israel 🇮🇱 is NOT the Church !
Also the rapture is not a secret. Paul said it’s a mystery big difference Voddie 🙏
Amen And only the truly born again believer will hear the trumpet from heaven that calls believers up Remember the uninvited guest that tried to storm the heavenly banquet, but was turned away due to his soiled garment
This statement in 1Thess 4:14 which says, "God will bring with Him..." had confused pre trib rapture believers.
Even pastor that I esteem so high to preach the truth, hev med me think maybe I am the one hu is wrong.
Preacher like "Paul Washer" had disappointed me on this bcos he belive in it. Unless today. Many believe that Jesus will descend down with souls of those died in Him and meet with their body. But this verse wasn't saying so. Even if we assume that such unions might happen, but is not from this verse.
Other must understand well there.
Luke 21:36 says, “Be hopeful that you may be considered worthy to escape ALL of these things which comes to pass.” What do you think Jesus meant by that?
@CountCulture27
“Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."
Luk 21:36
Would u pliz read all books like Matt 24, Mark 13, & compare with Luke 21. U will understand what Luke meant when he uses the word "ESCAPE." since u understand that this escape is to take believers out of the earth, not to face tribulation and go thru it.
This is how others misunderstand Rev 3:10.
Just to justify their confusions & errors. I don't know who stops us from expanding our understandin.
Read again and again with prayers, asking God if u understand His word correctly. If u do not, allow Him to teach u more. But if u refuse, med up yo mind that u won't b corrected anymore, that upto u. Is yo choice. Each 1 hev a free will 2 decide what 2 believe.
Don't b surprised upon u c tribulation, falling away and the antichrist is revealed b4 Jesus appeares. Don't believe what I am saying, but I assure u that if trib delayeth not, both u & I will face it. Watch out.
I actually have read all of the Gospels fairly recently. So, please understand that what you are saying I have considered and do think it is possible that we could face the Tribulation.
But, if you actually have read them, how can you not see the better possibility of the Rapture? 1 Thessalonians chapter 4 talks about it. There will be one, the matter is when. Because Jesus uses wedding language all the time AND the church is not mentioned once after chapter 4 in Revelation it leads me to believe a Pre-Trip rapture is the most likely.
You have said I misunderstood verse 21:36. How? I have read the entire New Testament a few times. Most of the Matthew 24 is total 2nd coming. He doesn’t talk about the Rapture. But, the doctrine of imminence takes away the thought that the second coming of Jesus is the “thief in the night” as Revelation pretty much says exactly when he’ll come.
So, please enlighten me on where I am missing the boat in your opinion. (Not sarcasm, truly asking)
Excuse me, but I have read all of the books of the New Testament. How do you interpret what he means by escape? A simple reading WITH the context of scripture seems to indicate, well, a possible escape from “all these things.”
Jesus also says 4 times in John 6 that he will raise from the dead all that the Father has given him on the last day! Lazarus’ sister Martha tells jesus, “ yes Lord I know my brother will rise again on the last day. Parable of the tares and wheat, jesus says the angels are the reapers and the harvest is the end of the age. There are so many these days who don’t study scripture and that makes them susceptible to false doctrine! We are commanded to study the word of God. And judge what we hear by the scripture. With all the warnings about false doctrine, false teachings, and false prophets in the last days you would think true Christians would study more and be well acquainted with what scripture says!
Uh huh, and what about those thousands of his saints following him down from heaven on horses that Jude speaks about The only dead he's raising then are unbelievers
"Pre-wrath Rapture" for the "First fruits" harvest
FACT: NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE do you find a description of an event where the RIGHTOUS are taken off earth and the WICKED are LEFT BEHIND.
SO B4 you can argue if said event occurs pre trib or post, or pre wrath, first you must demonstrate WITH SCRIPTURE said event occurs at all,at any time. It isn't biblical.
The Bible does not describe such event where church is removed from earth, and the wicked left behind.
IT SAYS THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
Read it.
Prov. 10:30 The righteous shall ((((NEVER))) be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.
Ps 37:10Soon the wicked will disappear. Though you look for them, they will be gone.
Never means never in greek. Notice it is the wicked that vanish from earth, we are NEVER removed.
In rapture reenactment videos, they show the lost ppl looking for the church that vanished. But Bible says the church will look for them wicked and the wicked have vanished.
There is only the 2nd Advent, at the LAST Trump. Terr are 7.
God will protect His Church THROUGH the tribulation just like Noah, Meshack, Shadrach, Abendigo who the fire could not touch, just like those at the red sea. Nothing to fear.
It's healthy to be contrite enough, Isaiah 66:1-2, to consider that you may be incorrect about the mysteries in the book of Revelation including the rapture. It will all be revealed at that time.
Why would you believe that Jesus died in vain?
@VoddieBaucham After Revelations chapter 3, the church is not mentioned again
So how does this ties into Repentance of those during the wraths?
Man preaching BIBLICAL FACTS right here! AMEN! Say it louder for those in the back!
1. Doctrine of Christ imminent return. Can’t be imminent if there needs to be a 7 year tribulation hour.
2. Hebrew customs is bridegroom goes to prepair a place- at what hour of his return we know not. Stay ready ( again doctrine of Christ imminent return ) but when he comes back- takes virgin then consumates then 7 day feast. Or atleast a great feast. Aka 7 years of tribulation Christian’s in heaven for feast .
3. Christ returns WITH his angels WITH his saints. Can’t be with him if we are being caught up.
4. Tribulation is testing. Or same same- punishment and disciplining. Would Christ beat up his wife before he comes and get her.
5. Christian’s are suffering now why is 1 thes caught up a blessed hope when we just gunna get murdered in the 7 year tribulation. Not very blessed is it.
Any thoughts ?
So if I don't believe in the rapture but I am saved by Jesus then will I still be raptured if there is one?..should I worship and pray about the rapture even if I don't believe it?..just asking..
Nope, blind faith will not help you on this one You have to looking up at this very time when "these things begin to happen, look up for your redemption draws nigh" You have to be born again, sealed by the blood and want it. Jesus said, I know my sheep, my sheep know me and my sheep hear my voice If you're comfortable and at ease in this world, you will definitely miss it
You are the first person that I have heard say the pre-trib rapture was a secret???
The seven year tribulation is called the Wrath of God in the Old Testament.
Zephaniah 1:14
The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
Zephaniah 1:15
That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Zephaniah 1:16
A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
Zephaniah 1:17
And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
Zephaniah 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.
I & II Thessalonians is addressed to the church, the body of Christ.
The doctrine of the gathering together of the saints, the catching away, the rapture is in Thessalonians.
1 Thessalonians 4:13
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1 Thessalonians 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1 Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:18
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
The rapture of the church is a comfort to the church.
The Bible interptets itself in the context.
Surrounding the doctrine of the gathering together in I Thessalonians 4 are two verses of scripture that add to the context of the doctrine.
1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, "which delivered us from the wrath to come."
And:
1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
Knowing to whom Thessalonian is addressed, the members of the body of Christ; and that in the context, the Word of God explains Itself. We, the Body of Christ, will be taken up and saved from the wrath to come. Because Romans 8:1 says that there is therefore no judicial judgement to them which are in Christ Jesus.
Never knew that you were so far away from truth VB. Yes, you will apparently go through the tribulation.
Yes. Voddie!
Regardless of their position on the “rapture” true believers will suffer and die for our Savior, Christ Jesus. The Bible says nothing about taking the church up before the Great Tribulation. Those who died in Christ Jesus will be resurrected prior to the wrath of God-but are called to persevere and endure through all tribulations; no matter how bad it gets our blessed hope is our Savior Jesus Christ NOT a secret rapture. We don’t get to skip out bc it’s our testimonies that will encourage one another, and the power of our testimonies that will bring others to Christ.
The bible says we (believers) will not feel His wrath/ Jesus tells us to be comforted / How could we be comforted if we were going to go thru the trib/ the church is not spoke of after the 3rd chp/ where did we go/ we are spoke about 19x before the 4th chp/ Bible says we are not appointed to wrath/ God does not want a battered bride / God always warns His believers b4 hand of danger all thru the bible/ There's no warning. There's just to much scripture backing up pre-trib Go listen to John Macarthur sermon on The Rapture...
@@vallorypoole8117 I love John MacArthur-his Biblical teachings are spot on and I truly believe that he’s absolutely accurate on everything that he teaches. I actually got saved listening to his sermons-praise Jesus. My son’s first Bible was the John MacArthur NKJV study Bible. The only thing I do not agree with is his eschatological views; especially regarding his interpretation of the pre-tribulation rapture.
Those who insist on remaining on earth during the tribulation are welcome to it Nothing about the rapture beforehand? "behold I show you a mystery We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed In a moment, in the twinkling of the eye Two shall be in a field, one taken the other left Two shall be in bed, one taken the other left" All in times when life goes on as usual, NOT when people are running for their lives in terror, during the tribulation Those taken are the chosen ones. the ones with white robes at the marriage supper of the lamb Those left behind will find themselves martyred during the tribulation, and many will take the mark of the beast and be condemned forever. So, gird up your loins. rapture deniers Your fiery trial to come is not to purify you as a true disciple of Christ It is to expose you as a lukewarm, worldly Christian who loved "this present world" more than Christ
Matthew 25:1-13 the kingdom of God is likened unto 10 virgins. Five were wise and five were foolish the foolish Christian group their lights have gone out and they had no oil in their vessel. They were kept out from the marriage supper when the bridegroom came and took the wise. And the marriage door was shu
Matthew 7:21 - 27 the foolish virgin - Christians pounding on the marriage door demanding the Lord open up the door and let them in. The Lord's reply was I don't know you I never knew you depart from you that worked lawlessness. They did not keep the commands of the Lord. They lived a natural carnal life. They were not born again they were not regenerated by the Holy Spirit s Work.
In Luke 12:35 - 36 the Lord commands the foolish christians. By saying. When I return from the wedding! Make sure your lights are burning bright and I will receive you at that time. That time is immediately after the Great Tribulation. The problem or reason why the foolish did not enter into the marriage supper because their lights have gone out and they had no oil. Revelation 19:1 - 21 you have the marriage supper of the lamb for 7 years and at the end of those 7 years the church that was granted fine linen clean and white as the bride she is now following Jesus back wearing find linen clean and white riding white horses to the Earth with the Lord. They are returning from the marriage supper to the Earth for judgment and establishing the kingdom of God on earth. New Jerusalem
Wordly tribulation is not the same as Daniel’s 70th week, or the time of JACOBS trouble, which is only decreed for Israel. (Daniel 9:24). How this simple distinction is lost on so many is baffling.
Aside from Paul’s rapture verses, John 14:1-3 is Jesus promising to come and “take us to himself” the Greek “paralambano” so that we will be with him where he is, in the place he prepared for us in his fathers house. “Paralambano” is the same exact word used in the Olivet discourse to describe the “one will be taken and the other left.” It is always used in the overwhelming positive sense of close fellowship.
While pre-trib is not exclusively taught in scripture, you can make a very sound case for it biblically.
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I do love Voddie's teaching but he said there is no millennial reign and if there were, there will be animal sacrifices while Jesus is reigning on earth??? Why would there is animal sacrifices?? I thought during Jesus reign the world will be perfect, no death, evil, sin sickness etc. I dont believe in pre-trib rapture, I do believe the church will go through the great tribulation. But I guess I need to learn more about the millennial reign of Christ.
There will be death and evil during the millennium. It is not heaven but a 1000 year rule on earth
This is true, why because this pre tribulation will help to purify the church of Christ. Lets not forget the massage from Christ, that those who tries to serve their lives will lose it. During this time I believe there would be no fake believer.🔥
exactly true ,,I second the VOTE from THESS,,,Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
Yep... it's pretty hard to dance around that scripture. But they will go to any lengths to do just that. One response from the dogmatic pre-tribbers is that they redefine "falling away/apostasia" as really meaning "rapture".
And another tactic is to say that the only text of the New Testament meant for the Church are the 4 Gospels and Romans... the rest of the books are only meant for Israel.
And the grand daddy of them all is that Paul was a false apostle, which gets rid of pesky text to the disp********alists like what's found in the Book of Galatians.
Hebrews was not written to the Church, but to the Jews of the tribulation!
If you really want to shore up your position, why not toss the heretical notion that Paul was a false apostle out there, too. That one's gaining popularity these days and does a dandy job for the really hard core disp********alists by discarding scripture that contradicts their position, such as the Book of Galatians.
The word rapture is not written in the Bible. It’s resurrection. He is 100% correct. No pretrib is happening.
I agree with there is not pre-trib rapture taught anywhere in scripture but using that logic backfires when we speak of the trinity which expressly is taught in scripture but the word is never used. The rapture is taught in scripture it just wont precede tribulation like many have been led to believe.
You don't find the word rapture in the Bible because you're speak English and read an American Bible
You're false information is debunked very easily
You should know for yourself, that the New Testament was written in Greek and Latin
If you pick up a Greek Bible and read 1st Thessalonians 4:17 you will see the word harpazo
If you pick up a Latin Bible and read 1st Thessalonians chapter 4 verse 17, you will see your word Raptura
You read English so when you read 1st Thessalonians 4:17 you see the phrase "caught up"
It's amazing how many people make this ignorant claim that the word rapture is not in the Bible
Now that you know it's in the bible, you should look into what you never believed in;
That which is in the Bible
Watch Chuck Missler Rapture then make up your mind.
The "pre-trib rapture" is a very divisive controversial issue. There are consequences to this belief. I hope it's scriptural and occurs but I'm a realist and have been blessed to learn some things about SUFFERING. Hope for the best but be prepared for all the rest. What happens to those " left behind"? But, if it does mot happen as hoped for, what becomes of the millions who wanted and expected the pre-trib rapture only to learn they are the primary target of the beast and society? How many will “fall away” in disappointment, shock and fear.? Can you endure until the end under such distressing persecution? We ,the body of Christ, need " basic training", to toughen up, be stronger and face the fires of hell and understand that this is a hard fought spiritual WAR, and the will of God concerning you. The times of luxury, ease and comfort are fading fast, the times of troubles, distress, pressures are racing down the field of history right toward you and I. The stage is now set, the players are in place and the beast systems are now rising around you. Be Aware, Pray, and Prepare and live in God's Love
When you read Daniel, every time he says "my people", well Daniel was Jewish so he's talking about the Jews
When Daniel was quoted by jesus, who was Jesus talking to while Jesus was still preaching in the Old Testament until his resurrection?
J E W S
Did not Jesus say twice that he came to his own, only?
Daniel is not about the church.
Daniel was not written to the church.
Daniel was written to the Jews like the entire Old Testament was
We can certainly benefit from the Old Testament by knowing it and understanding it,
but the Old Testament was not written for the church.
It was for the Jews.
If you want to know the promises to the church you got to go to the new testament which begins after jesus, the testator, rose from the dead.
When you read Pauls writing about getting caught up, about the harpazo in Greek, about the Rapture in latin, wekl, Paul is talking to the church and the promises under grace.
Daniel was talking about the promises under the law
It is another classic case of mistaken identity by Voddie, as good as a preacher that he is, he fails miserably in this area. yes miserably
If you are a born again christian, your promises of grace, under the new blood covenant, are found in the New Testament
If you are not born again and are Jewish or gentile, your promises, good and bad, are found under the law in the Old Testament
This is simple Bible 101 understanding that voddie lacks
The truth of Christ be with you, reader
I like Voddie and he's usually spot on but wrong here it's funny how preachers that don't use the the KJV will go off somewhere or another please get back to the old book that will not steer you wrong.
Ok, then please read the very first sentence in Matthew 24:29 in the KJV. Then read the rest of it until the end of verse 31. Please don't overlook or ignore the very first sentence in verse 29.
@@clonearmy77 yes I believe that is the second coming of Christ but not the rapture which has taken place years before the elect will be gathered for the millennial reign but they will enter as mortals not immortals as the raptured Christians are.
Pre-trib is a lie?
Well of course it is. The rapture occurs at some point during the 2nd half of Daniel's 70th week, cutting short the time of great tribulation for the sake of the elect.
You know what else is a lie?
Amillennialism.
so did you get the spirit when you came into faith. are you waiting for judgement. false wait.
Sadly this man does not understand the books of Daniel and Revelation.
Daniel was not written to the Church! It was written to Israel!
That word is not in the bible. So that says something right there. Living in this day. You know greater tribulation is coming. Shucks, we in a one now. For many shall die before and this is occurring at this time. Those left behind will go up with him. Thats not a pre- secret its what the word says. That's the 1st Resurrection. God is mysterious but he doesnt perform secret things. This makes sense. It shouldn't matter either way if you die, or go with him, the principal is that you shall be with him in the end.
It is in the bible. In Latin the word caught up is rapture it’s where we get it from like fetus isn’t an English word for baby. But it is the word we often use for pre born babies.
Love you Voddie but you got this wrong.
How so? He’s preaching it STRAIGHT from the Bible! So you’re saying the Bible got it wrong. Get it together bud!
@@talkncirclescc Bible is clear , it’s pretrib.
@@sirmichael7155then provide the scriptures
I agree. He totally preaching against the truth here.
@@talkncirclescchelp you for agreeing with voddie. He got this boldly wrong.
I liked the video until the silly 'subscribe pop' and 'bell click' loudly interrupted Voddie's preaching. I really hope you don't do this in all your videos. For that reason alone, I won't be subscribing. It's distracting. If you remove it (& any other distractions that may happen during the video) then I will be more likely to subscribe and 'like' your video. And pass it on to others.
I just finished the video. The distractions came 2 more times... in mid sentence no less! If you want to grow your channel, remove those interruptions from all your content ... and stop adding it to new videos in the first place! You may be surprised how many more subscriptions you'll receive... and likes. I'll be the first to do both when you inform me of the changes. And Iwill pass this video on to others!
Please and thank you.
The holy people is Israel in the final 3 1/2 years of Daniel’s 70th week! This is so sad that Voddie puts the church into Israel’s position. Romans 11:25-27 is clear! Voddie is either ignorant or a liar!
So, it's *NOT* okay that the Church should endure the Great Tribulation, but it is okay that the "holy people" of Israel do???
BTW, the "holy people" in Israel in the final 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70th week will be celebrating the death of the two witnesses as their bodies lay in the street for 3 days.
If the term "Israel" in the verse "All Israel will be saved" is referring to Israelites, then how do we square that with the prophecy in Zechariah where 1/3 are brought through the refining fires, while 2/3 parish? On the other hand, if "Israel" in "all Israel will be saved" is referring to both those who are grafted into and back into the Olive tree, then we have no contradiction whatsoever.
As for pre-trib... without redefining the term "falling away/apostasia" in the text, what does 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 clearly tell us?
Yes I commented the same thing
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Sad, sad, sad that anyone would attempt to understand the mind of God with human logic.
Finally, biblical truth.
Proof of A Pre trib Rapture. Pay Attention to the Cloud and Clouds Jesus appears In and With. Act's chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 Cloud. In Red Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming In A Cloud the Rapture. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming With the Clouds when he comes back to the Mt of Olive the second coming KJV. Read it carefully.
William Branham followers belive in pre trib rapture. And again, they believe that the church will go through tribulations but not the gentile Bride. For he teaches that there is a different between the church and the bride.
I am like where does the scripture mention this differences?
May God help many pre tribulation rapture to understand the truth.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things
Voddie is so wrong. The bible says we (believers) will not feel His wrath/ Jesus tells us to be comforted / How could we be comforted if we were going to go thru the trib/ the church is not spoke of after the 3rd chp/ where did we go/ we are spoke about 19x before the 4th chp/ Bible says we are not appointed to wrath/ God does not want a battered bride / God always warns His believers b4 hand of danger all thru the bible/ There's no warning. There's just to much scripture backing up pre-trib Go listen to John Macarthur sermon on The Rapture...
@@hspratt3 NOT TRUE...
Voddie does preach well but where I disagree with him also is on the believe of nephilim or the fallen angels to hev sexual relationship with human and brought forth giant.
I don't know if he still believes that. I use to wonder why many p'pol think Genesis 6 that way. But it's far from it. P'pol think, by bringing what they call originally text, they will get things right.
If I told you I have a white SUV and then the next day I tell you I have a silver hatchback, how many cars do I have?
For the pre-trib rapture there is a flash of light and dead bodies (Luke 17:22-37; Matt 24:27-28). We leave our bodies on earth. Our body will not disappear.
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the only resurrection for the saints on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52).
Jesus moved Lot and Noah to safety first and then judgment was executed. The restrainer must be removed before the AC gets his chance.
God’s wrath is not the wrath of the AC! 🤦🏼
Not one single verse says that there is a pre trib rapture of the church, but 2Thess. 2:3,4 says that the man of sin will come first, claiming to be god and will sit in the temple, before the rapture takes place! 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God
Who is the redeemed from every tongue, nation and tribe with God before the opening of the first seal and how did they get there?
@@justmyopinion7 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
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The question you should ask is:
Is 2 Thess. 2:1-8 right or is it wrong? Because it clearly teaches the antiChrist and his activity before Jesus’ return to rapture the saints and to destroy the antiChrist! Jesus also teaches it in
Matt. 24! Most people will believe John Darby and Hal Lindsey before they’ll believe the Holy Scriptures!
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, and by our gathering together unto him = Pre-tribulation Rapture.
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Lol. Nothing in that quote says pre trib. It gives zero indication of timing or order.
But that's a great example of just how empty and without merit your whole dreamed up heresy is.
1 Thes 4:16-17 clearly states the dead in Christ rise FIRST THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up.
The Rev 20:4-5 Clearly states the FIRST resurrection includes those who were beheaded and did not take the mark of the beast or worship his image.
Order clearly spelled out. Tribulation martyrs raised and then the rapture.
If a person cites half of a sentence as evidence, they can make the Bible say anything they want.
Verse 2 is the second half of the sentence.
Verses 3 and 4 are the required condition for verse 1.
The man of sin must be revealed. That is done by sitting in the Temple of YHVH claiming to be God.
You conveniently omitted all the information that proves you wrong.
That would a textbook example of cherry-picking.
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It’s hard to believe that some are that shallow! 🤦🏼🤷🏼
There is no pre trib.Israel was in Egypt when God send all those plagues.yet God kept Israel safe.the same at the end times.
The church does not escape tribulation, but we are not appointed to God's wrath. That's what all 7 years are, God's wrath.
Where does the Word of God say that that is God's wrath
@@garrydalton1580 Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is associated with the day of the Lord, that time during which God personally intervenes in history to accomplish His plan (see Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2). It is referred to as “tribulation . . . in the latter days” (Deuteronomy 4:30); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); “a time of distress” (Daniel 12:1); and “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7). And we have this description of the tribulation that attends the day of the Lord:
“That day will be a day of wrath- a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness- a day of trumpet and battle cry” (Zephaniah 1:15-16).
Also, it's Jesus Himself who is opening up the scrolls in Revelation, and the people who are on the earth at the time will know it is the wrath of God:
"And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Revelation 6:15-17
@@garrydalton1580 It's Jesus Himself who is opening up the scrolls in Revelation, and the people who are on the earth at the time even know it is the wrath of God:
"And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Revelation 6:15-17
Also, all over the Old Testament as "the Day of the Lord", the "Time of Jacob's Trouble", "Daniel's 70th Week", etc.
@Smyrna-777 Jesus says in Matthew 24 that the days of the great tribulation should be shortened, because no flesh would be saved. Why would God shorten his own wrath
@@garrydalton1580 He doesn't say He shortens His wrath, only He shortens the days. Either the days are shorter, or the end comes in general or both. God's wrath is exactly at the appointed time (His) and lasts exactly for the appointed time (His). From what I understand from studying God's Word is that among other things, Jesus is saying if He doesn't step in when He does, we'd literally end ourselves.
Historically, whenever a nation and/or culture turns away from the Lord, it goes very badly for them. The "latter days" that the Bible describes tells us that the whole world will turn away from God, corporately, as if it were one single nation, because it will be a one world government.
Pre-Trib th-cam.com/video/Eah6_m24sEg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9F08XsjrL_T_bpWY&t=1392
If the 2nd coming of Christ was together with the church with Him, then it makes no sense for the church to be on earth at His 2nd coming.
Brother Baucham is 💯% WRONG
He is using Scrabble Word Hopscotch to the Scriptures.
STOP THE IGNORANCE
1. Doctrine of Christ imminent return. Can’t be imminent if there needs to be a 7 year tribulation hour.
2. Hebrew customs is bridegroom goes to prepair a place- at what hour of his return we know not. Stay ready ( again doctrine of Christ imminent return ) but when he comes back- takes virgin then consumates then 7 day feast. Or atleast a great feast. Aka 7 years of tribulation Christian’s in heaven for feast .
3. Christ returns WITH his angels WITH his saints. Can’t be with him if we are being caught up.
4. Tribulation is testing. Or same same- punishment and disciplining. Would Christ beat up his wife before he comes and get her.
5. Christian’s are suffering now why is 1 thes caught up a blessed hope when we just gunna get murdered in the 7 year tribulation. Not very blessed is it.
Any thoughts ?
There is absolutely a rapture, aka harpazo, before the "Hour of Trial" as Jesus calls it in Revelation 3:10, or as the world calls it, the Tribulation.
However, when the harpazo does happen, it won't be like the movies...because when it does happen, those left behind won't even know it happened, and if you carefully read and study the Book of Revelation regarding the events that take place between Revelation 6:9 and 7:17...you might be able to see it.
I pray you do, in Jesus name, amen.
Wow, i actually agree with voddie on something!
I am post trib and have been since i was a new believer, the pre trib view just seemed so silly, and very selfish.
@@erinstover195 guess you’ve been wrong the whole time didn’t you?
This wrong teaching is why i stopped listening to you.
FALSE TEACHER ALERT
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Why ?
@@garrydalton1580 If I told you I have a white SUV and then the next day I tell you I have a silver hatchback, how many cars do I have?
For the pre-trib rapture there is a flash of light and dead bodies (Luke 17:22-37; Matt 24:27-28). We leave our bodies on earth. Our body will not disappear.
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the only resurrection for the saints on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52).
Jesus moved Lot and Noah to safety first and then judgment was executed. The restrainer must be removed before the AC gets his chance.
How so?
@onetakendotnet Yes Jesus moved Lot and Noah, but not off the earth. If you believe in a pre trib rapture that's fine, and I have nothing against you at all. I believe in the rapture, but just not pre trib
There is absolutely a rapture, aka harpazo, before the "Hour of Trial" as Jesus calls it in Revelation 3:10, or as the world calls it, the Tribulation.
However, when the harpazo does happen, it won't be like the movies...because when it does happen, those left behind won't even know it happened, and if you carefully read and study the Book of Revelation regarding the events that take place between Revelation 6:9 and 7:17...you might be able to see it.
I pray you do, in Jesus name, amen.