The Rapture of the Church vs. The Day of the Lord |
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- In this video, Pastor John MacArthur differentiates between the Rapture and the Day of the Lord, also called Tribulation, using passages from both the Old and New Testaments.
And citing Paul's letter of encouragement to the church in Thessalonica, MacArthur concludes that the apostle Paul himself taught a “catching away” of the saints (RAPTURE) before the Tribulation.
In other words, Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles held to a pre-tribulation rapture view, which is also the traditional view of the Church.
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One day we will know for sure. In the meantime, hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and above all, preach the Gospel!
Brethren, this is not good enough. We can know now by thorough study of the Word; with out adding or taking away from the text, and with humility to relinquish our preconceived notions. The Bible is very clear on the subject. Pl me mindful of the seeds that the enemy have planted. We must also be ready to admit that even our long standing leaders can be wrong.
There is NO PREtribulation rapture. Please prayerfully reread God's word, the 66 books of the Holy Bible; without considering the interpretations of other fallen humans. Just prayerfully read Gods word and ask God to show you the truth. Don't believe me or other people; ask God. I read the same Scriptures and i clearly see that there is no pretribulation rapture. +There are many sources out there who use God's word for reference to help to explain that there is no such thing as a pretribulation rapture. - [But still; ask God to show you the truth of the matter.] We can and must trust our loving triune God the Father, the Son Jesus Christ our Savior, and the Holy Spirit with our eternal soul, we can therefore trust God with whatever temporary troubles we go through while in this fallen troubled world. Jesus tells us to watch and to not be afraid. We need to keep prayerfully reading God's word; God and His word will guide us; including about what to do and what NOT to do; including to NOT accept the mark of the beast/worship of the beast no matter what. Trust God; not man.
@@kc-wk1kz Amen. I praise God for opening your eyes to the truth of his word. Now we must continue to pray that others will understand as well. God bless you.
@@kc-wk1kz *You:* _"...God and His word will guide us; including about what to do and what NOT to do; including to NOT accept the mark of the beast..."_
Since you know you can't take the mark you also know you will have no way to buy food and shelter for seven years. You cannot survive that long without food and shelter. According to the book of Revelation, in the tribulation the earth will be overrun with demons and demonized people. Your argument is that you will be on the earth with them.
Matthew 16:18 *"...upon this rock I will build my ...church;... and the gates of hell shall ...not... prevail against it."*
In contrast during the tribulation...
Revelation 13:7 *"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to ...overcome... them:..."*
Both statements are true. Please note that the second verse says saints. It does not say church.
@@awaitingthetrumpetcall4529 There is NO PREtribulation rapture. Please prayerfully reread all of God's word and ask Him to show you the truth of the matter.
It's called the day of the Lord and not the time of tribulation. The day of the Lord is at his second coming and is very dark for those who do not belong to him. But those who belong to him are in the air with him by that time. He will rapture us first before he makes vengeance on their enemies.
The Rapture is at the Last trump.
@@klausmkl exactly
Q for clarification of your point.
The 2Thess 2 'Day of the Lord' refers directly to His second coming.. the day of His triumphant return with a great archangelic host and a whole lot of past saints who have died/rested and risen in the Lord as per 1Thess 4:16-17 followed in quick succession in an angelic trumpet procession the saints will hear. Yes?
And if so, the 'pre trib' hope of joining them in the air is meant for the church of believers today to make ready for (as per Rev 3:10-12).
Paul's 1Thess 5 prophecy will come to pass.
@@trulyso734your insane. Go read what you write. Good grief
Yes. Amen.
"AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, etc. and THEN the sign of the Son of Man will appear and He will gather His elect"
Matthew 24 is about the Second Coming which will take place at the end of the Tribulation.
The Rapture which is a different event will happen pre-trib.
@@BiblicalChristianityAlice a secret rapture isn't stated anywhere and would make Jesus' second coming an actual third coming
@@BiblicalChristianityAlice please give a scripture. MacArthur sure never
@@stevenmonson4620 have you ever heard of Daniel’s 70 weeks prophesy? Or the time of Jacob’s trouble?
The whole context in matt 24 is Jews.
You can clearly see that matt 24, mark 13 and luke 21 are all connected to jews.
Matt 24:1-2 starts off with a reference to the jewish temple being thrown down. The church has nothing to do with it.
V. 14 gospel of the kingdom. Gospel first preached to jews ( mark 1:14, matt 4:23)
V. 15 holy place? (Jewish temple) abomination of desolation from Daniel? A prophesy from daniel given for the nation of Israel. ( go study daniel first in order to understand the 70 weeks prophesy)
V. 16 those who are in Judea. Does the church live in judea? No,but jews do.
V. 20 sabbath day? Does the church keep the sabbath? No but Jews do.
V. 23-26 People looking for their messiah. Are we looking for our messiah during this time? No, we already have him. But jews will.
V. 32 fig tree. (reference to Israel)
Mark 13:9 synagogues. Does the church have synagogues? No, jews do.
Luke 21: 25 signs and wonders for jews. Fyi,Jews require signs 1 cor 1:22-23.
Matt 24:29-31 are described in Isa 11:10-16 and 27:12-13. It’s the Gathering of the Jews after the tribulation. Jesus was quoting these prophesies from Isaiah.
You cannot deny Jesus is speaking to Jews here. That doesn’t mean matt 24 is useless. We can learn principles from it devotionally but not as church doctrine or escathology. Remember that all scripture was written for us but not everything is written to us as doctrine for today. (not everything applies to the church, but we can learn from the whole Bible)
@@jimmymays1003 it seems you are clueless of escathology. You confuse a lot of things. This isn’t wrath and judgement from Man.
These judgements come from the hands of God rev 5:1 and only Jesus is capable of releasing these things to the world. It’s all coming from God.
This tribulation is worse than any other because it Comes from God himself. I’ll show you what the Bible actually says about this time:
half of the world population will die, ( 1/4th in the 4th seal rev 6:8, 1/3rd in the trumpet judgements rev 9:18 , stars ( meteors) will fall from the sky(rev 6:13), giant asteroids causing great tsunamis ( rev 8:8), earthquakes so big that will remove all islands and mountains of their place (rev 6:12-14, 16:18-20) 1/3 of the earth burned (rev 8:7,) 1/3 of the seas into blood, (rev 8:8,) 1/3 of sea creatures dead, (rev 8:9) 1/3 of rivers and fresh water to drink into blood and bitter (rev 8:10-11, 16:4,) 1/3 of the sun becomes dark probably causing hypothermia (rev 8:12) wild animals killing people rev 6:8, demonic creatures released from hell to torture and kill people. tortured for 5 months without dying because death will flee from them. only the 144k jews will be saved from these plagues. (rev 9:3-6.) giant Hail storms ( 35kg hails), rev 16:21, 11:19, 200 million demon army set loose to kill (rev 9:13-16), world hunger world famines world wars, time of terror, luke 21:11, 26, matt 24:7, sun burning people to torture rev 16:8-9, mark of the beast, persecution of beast, rev 13. death and hades set loose on earth, rev 6:7-8, there will be no peace rev 6:3-4, , peoples hearths failing for fear, Luke 21:26. people killing at will. Rev 6:3-4 Etc… this and much worse will happen during this time. Is this what you want?
Do you really think God will pour out all these judgements on earth while the church is still here?
God is a Sovereign Lord and He is in charge of everything, Not satan. He just uses the antichrist as a tool for His wrath. Just like he did with other people in Isa 10:5-15 and habakkuk 1:5-12. It’s God carrying his wrath through the antichrist. Don’t think that the ac or satan will do whatever they want. They only do what God wants and allows them to do. That’s called God’s Sovereignty.
Jesus releases the antichrist to the world in the first seal. Don’t think that it’s satan’s wrath. God allows satan to torture people as a tool for his wrath. God doesn’t always pour out his wrath directly. He also uses people or demons.
This is what all post tribbers fail to understand when it comes to God’s wrath in the tribulation.
God’s sovereignty. He does things how he wants, where he wants, when he wants and with whom he wants.
Hallelujah Hallelujah to Our Jesus Christ! I Can't Wait to be Rapture Soon!
MARANATHA. REVELATION 3:10!!
@@F15CEAGLE1 what does Revalation 3:10 do with?
@@MarkCurtis-eh3ue My belief is that this is referencing the Church Age saints who are kept from (not through) the hour of temptation (strong delusion) that is faced by the post-rapture, left behind persons referred to as "earth dwellers." Church Age saints do not enter into the 7-year tribulation, as they have been raptured. Lee Brainard/ Dr. Andy Woods/Chuck Missler are good expositors on this. I also believe this is the "blessed hope" referred to in Titus 2:13. As always, Acts 17:11 applies to each of us, so that's my understanding of it.
@@F15CEAGLE1 I respect all people's beliefs and their interpretation of Scripture. I do not know everything about eschatology..where I stand right now is that parousia is a one time event for the entire body "eclassia" which includes both Jew and Gentile! As Mathew 24:29-31 tells me that immediately after the days of tribulation, then in 31 it tells me the angels gather his elect (all believers) I only see one spot of Ressurection occurring. This is revelation 20:4-6. The 5th seal souls are still under the altar resting.. Rev 6: 9-11.....and verse 12-14 describes the same as Matthew 24: 29-31. Rev 20 :4-6 the souls under the altar come to life..with this said...if this is the case, rapture will follow this although this is only talked about in 1 Thes 4:15-17...also in 2 Thes verse 3&4 says before any of this happens, 2 things happen first that we all will see with our eyes. So much more to say but in brief, I just wanted your thoughts because bi was a pretribber for 28 years and no longer am. I was forced to read the scriptures and stop listening to everyones teaching. Honestly, I don't care what view anyone holds, we are in Christ is all that matters. I just seen your F15 Eagle1 and thought that was awesome because Im a fighter aircraft lover! 😄. Another thing is, I made a friend by messaging on here, we messaged back and forth awhile, decided to exchange emails, all of a sudden I can't message this person anymore and this person thought I was avoiding so the messaging stopped. I did nothing, after like 20 messages, nothing else went thru. Just curious if this happened to you? Do I have to be a member on here or something? I'm surprised my message went thru to you and it was a test also to see if you got it, plus I wanted your thoughts on what you said. Anyway, long story.....still long, lol. Greta to hear from you my brother!
@@F15CEAGLE1 totally understand but this means the body is separated? I thought we are one body throughout scripture sharing in sufferings and rejoicing in victories Romans 11 Ephesians 3
Unless one understands exactly WHAT the tribulation period is FOR……then one will forever be confused as to WHO will go through it.
Tribulation is to test the believers. Wrath is to punish the unbelievers.
@@bybeta9885 Then WHY just those unfortunate believers who happen to be alive when the tribulation starts? If the tribulation was truly meant to be a “testing” for believers, then there seems to be a resurrection missing somewhere of ALL believers from the very first one to believe in Jesus to the very last one to die a split second before the tribulation begins, to share in this “testing”?
And speaking of “testing”, aren’t we as believers “tested” every day of our lives? Some more than other for sure, but it makes no sense to put believers through the worst period in all of human history.
The purpose of the period is the last week (7years) of Jacobs trouble. This is Gods last punishment and dealing with Israel and the unholy nations of the world. Through this period Israel with finally accept their Messiah as King. That is why the church will not go through it. What would be the purpose for the last remnant of the church to go through it? Why would we be told to comfort one another with these words in 1 thessalonians? I believe I will be coming back with the Lord on a white horse in Revelations 19 after receiving my robe of white. If that's not the church, then who is it
@@ericboling8037 EXACTLY!!! 🎯🎯👍
@Eric Boling
By that logic the suffering of all the saints is pointless then, Paul’s suffering was pointless, Peter’s suffering was pointless, our behavior in our suffering proves that we have faith in Christ, look at the story of Job the reason God made sure Job’s story was remembered was because he represented the life of those who suffer for their belief and faith in God, the whole point of the story was that Satan didn’t really believe Job was a true believer and would crumble when all the blessings God had given him were taken away! That is what the Tribulation will be, Satan’s last attempt to break God’s children by drawing the unbelievers to worship himself and to persecute and kill as many Christians as he can. It is also meant to redeem Israel but that is part of its purpose not the whole purpose. The Tribulation is Satan’s last attempt to prove the accusations he accused Job of, that believers when placed under intense suffering would turn from God and curse Him.
Spot on, this makes perfect sense.
So Thankful for this TRUTH
John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 - 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism. Pre-tribulation rapture theology was popularized extensively in the 1830s by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren,[1] and further popularized in the United States in the early 20th century by the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible
Remember brethren that the trying of our faith worketh patience; that tribulations worketh patience; that we are waiting peitient for the coming of the Lord who say "Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus". These are they who endured to the very end brethren. May God bless you.
Amen, Suki. And those commandments include the commandment to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy.
@@Jasperstone43100 CJ, thank you for your long comment. I wonder if you make similarly long comments trying to erase God's commands to refrain from bowing to idols, blaspheming his name, or commiting adultery, etc.?
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Or is it just the only commandment that God specifically said to "Remember" that you wish to forget?
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Resting on Jesus' holy 7th day Sabbath is rest. Working on that day is work. Currently, you are promoting the direct opposite of what the Bible states. I call on you to repent, turn from evil, and start following Jesus, who always kept the 7th day Sabbath holy.
@@Jasperstone43100 CJ, By resting on God's 7th day Sabbath according to the commandment (just like those women who watched Jesus be buried), I am RESTING in Jesus.
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Why do you think that breaking God's command by WORKING on his day he commanded us to rest, is somehow "resting"?
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No one has an eraser big enough or strong enough to erase what God wrote with his own finger in stone.
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"If you love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15. You can start showing your love for Jesus in a dramatic way at sundown today - May 5, 2023. Won't you join myself and millions of other Christians who wish to rest in Jesus on his holy rest day, instead of disobeying and trying to work out our own salvation?
Please read Luke 21; 34-36; John 14: 1- 6; 1st Thesalonian 2; and Revelation 3: 10. Then what is your ultimate conclusion. Jesus will just lift us from the earth to the cloud during the rapture. He won't come down to the earth. So, the rapture is the rescue of Jesus for his church. We will come with Jesus in his second coming 7 years after the rapture.
@@jacobso223 jacob, none of the verses you gave overturn Jesus' words that his faithful followers will go thru "Great Tribulation".
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Beware of man-made doctrines!
Its amazing to me how many Christians believe the Church will have to suffer the tribulation. God has always protected His people from Noah's flood, the passover, Moses leading God's people out of Egypt. Just to name a few
Untold millions of believers will be a part- of the 5th seal martyrs, this will be from the 10 day persecution that will happen just before the beast destroys the harlot. The Harlot will kill more believers than the Beast will. So while there is no 7 year tribulation, there will be serious persecution of believers. Your best bet is to be in that first rapture of the Child. Rev 12:5 Peace out Bro.
If you read Church history throughout the centuries there is no doubt that the it has gone through some of the worst suffering imagineble
tribulation was already happening before the flood, the flood was the wrath of God which Noah was saved from. Lot was already suffering tribulation before God rained fire down on Sodom, which was the wrath of God.
Moses and israel was already suffering tribulation (they were slaves, a fate worse than death), before Gods wrath poured out plagues and freed them before destroying pharoah - very much resembling revelation.
And the church will have tribulation during the time of the beast before God pours out his wrath starting with the vials and the day of his return
@@stevergee All first 5 seals have already been playing out from soon after christs resurrection, and are still playing out, they aren't future only events. Only the 6th/7th seal is future only.
Christ laid this out clearly in the olivet discourse, false christs and prophets (white horse) started appearing almost immediately and we see them now, also wars (red horse), famine (black horse), pestilence and famine and sword and beasts together (pale horse), persecution of saints (5th seal martys) - all happening from the time of the apostles and will continue until the return of christ just after the Sun and moon darkening (6th seal).
I find it very hard to believe these are mere coincidences.
The confusion comes from assuming the rider and white horse (1st seal), is THE antichrist, or even christ himself, or just christianity.
And many assume a 4th of the population will be killed (maybe during the black death thats the only explanaion), but it never says anything of the sort. It says power over a 4th of the earth whether by population or area, not a 4th of the people killed.
Hitler had power over the whole of france to kill, but he didn't kill all french people, the simple language has been twisted into something it isn't
The first major population decline will be at the 6th trumpet.
@@formless4541 well this is just my opinion, but we did not really get into the book of Revelation until we saw the great sign of the woman giving birth to the child in the starry heavens on 9/23/2017, exactly on the feast of Trumpets. The next to look for in this timeline will be when the woman (Nation of Israel) goes into travail. This will be the Gog Magog war in Israel. I am looking for this start sometime in early October this year, if indeed the final return will be in 2028.
Amen! I’m so grateful for God’s saving grace.
I've noticed most misunderstood verses lean towards the easier way out
I’m thankful for sound doctrine
I don't like being lied to. Every argument for a rapture is birthed out of deceit!
1) Paul calls the event "the resurrection of the dead... 1 Cor 15:42-55, which is what he didn't want us ignorant about in 1 Thess 4;13-18. This is not some new event that Paul revealed of a rapture that he directly called "the resurrection of the dead" nine verses earlier.
2) No man knows the day or the hour that the heavens are destroyed.... Matt 24:35-42.... not a rapture event that was conjured to happen 7 years prior.... Job shows this event to be the resurrection of the dead... Job 14;12... which occurs when the heavens are destroyed... and Christ comes "like a thief in the night"... 2 Peter 3:10.
3) The foundation of a rapture doctrine is a 7 year trib.... just three events of Revelation show 7 years and 5 months.... the first woe... Rev 9:5 is 5 months, the 2nd woe is a MINIMUM of 42 months and/or 1263.5 days long. This woe is declared OVER... no overlap in Rev 11;14. The rapturists inform us that the 1st and 2nd beast of Rev 13 come afterward. The first beast lasts 3.5 years.
You are not Jacob.
and you are not F1eagle1... Your point has absolutely no validity... instead you start with a lie of men, and then build upon it. The Olivet Discourse starts with Jesus saying, "Take heed that no man deceive you...", and ends with "What I say to you I say to all.." They lie that Jesus was speaking this passage to the "Jew only" is just that... a flat out lie. The cult of dispensationalism has the idea that 'rightful division" is taking only the good promises that are in Scripture and dumping all the unwanted passages off on the Jews.... such wickedness is addressed with 2 Peter 3;15-17@@F15CEAGLE1
Your deception is understood.... you were lied to and told that the Olivet Discourse was for the "Jews only"... and totally ignore the fact that Christ ends it with, "what I say to you I say to all"... Every argument for a rapture is birthed out of deceit... even the term 'rapture is deceitful.@@F15CEAGLE1
Preach Pastor!!!
Wow!! My mind is blown 🎉. Thank you so much ❤️
Cults are so cool! The Christian cult has a happy cult handbook with talking animals, Cupcake!
Sara, Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
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No one goes up to heaven at the end time before Jesus appears in all his glory and raises the righteous dead to everlasting life.
@@earlysda HEBREW MYTHS ARE SO REAL. THE BIBLE IS FICTION, STUPID. DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE IN THE GREEK MYTHS TOO, RUBE?
PLEASE COMPARE WHAT PAUL AND JESUS SAID. THEY ARE THE SAME. TAKE NOTE OF THE CAPITALIZED WORDS.
LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU
2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 ESV
v.1) Now concerning the COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST and OUR BEING GATHERED TOGETHER TO HIM, we ask you, brothers,
v.2) not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
v.3) LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU IN ANY WAY. FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME, UNLESS THE REBELLION (FALLING AWAY) COMES FIRST, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
v.4) who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
v 5) DO YOU NOT REMEMBER THAT WHEN I WAS STILL WITH YOU I TOLD YOU THESE THINGS?
v.6) And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.
v.7) For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
v.8) And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.
JESUS SAID MANY WILL FALL AWAY
Matthew 24:9-14 ESV
v.9) “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake.
v.10) And then MANY WILL FALL AWAY and betray one another and hate one another.
v.11) And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.
v.12) And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold.
v.13) BUT THE ONE WHO ENDURES TO THE END WILL BE SAVED.
v 14) And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."
Matthew 24:21-22 ESV
v.21) "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.
v.22) And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE ELECT THOSE DAYS WILL BE CUT SHORT."
THE DECEPTIONS
Matthew 24:23-27 ESV
v.23) Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
v.24) For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
v.25) SEE, I HAVE TOLD YOU BEFOREHAND.
v.26) So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
v.27) For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
GATHERING OF HIS ELECT
Matthew 24:29-31 ESV
v.29) “IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
v.30) Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
v.31) AND HE WILL SEND OUT HIS ANGELS WITH A LOUD TRUMPET CALL, AND THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER."
You're easy deceived.
Praise God❤
Jesus actually told us when he is coming. He said that AFTER THE TRIBULATION the sun will be darkened and the moon won't give its light and we will see the Son Of Man coming on the clouds with power and great glory. He said that he is coming AFTER THE TRIBULATION. Paul said that we will be changed in the twinkling of an eye on the LAST TRUMPET and the dead will be resurected. Paul said that the resurrection is on the last trumpet which is after the TRIBULATION. Mary said to Jesus concerning the death of Lazarus, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the LAST DAY. Mary said that the resurrection is on the last day which is after the TRIBULATION. Jesus also said, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him and I will raise him up on the LAST DAY. " (John 6:44) Jesus said that he is coming AFTER THE TRIBULATION and he will raise up the dead on THE LAST DAY which is after the TRIBULATION.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 also confirms this: "We who are alive and left until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep." The Book Of Revelation tells about God's saints being killed during the coming Tribulation which is proof that there is no rapture. When Paul spoke about those who are alive and left until the coming of the Lord, he was speaking about the saints who made it through the Tribulation to the end.
U r correct there is no pre-tribulation rapture. You must make until the end.
Truth
God's saints who will be persecuted/killed at that time are not the saints of the Body of Christ, but saints
who believe on Christ once they see we of this grace dispensation have been taken up in the Rapture! Many will put their trust in Almighty God AFTER we are gone, and THOSE saints are the ones who will face those horrific times! We believers will be caught up to meet Jesus in the AIR, He won't be coming to this earth at that time, and we will forever be with Him! See 1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 18! The Rapture or the catching away, then, of the saints of Christ's Body, dead and alive, is NOT His second coming! See Ephesians 3:2 describing the DISPENSATION OF THE GRACE OF GOD which the Lord revealed ONLY to the Apostle Paul to tell us saints who are currently living in this GRACE DISPENSATION! Pastor MacArthur's teaching from Holy Scripture is spot on!!! Those saints who made it through the "tribulation" to the end, as you say, are NOT the saints of this dispensation we are now living in!
I'm supporting this position of pre tribulation rapture because it answers many questions. We still have own little tribulations around because this what Christ warned us about. But the day of the Lord is a day of vengeance against the enemies of God and not against believers! Why should I exposed to his vengeance when there is no condemnation of those who is Christ Jesus? Rapture makes sense!
Yea, Jesus and Paul say the same thing. That is why Paul says in 2 Thess " That time cannot come UNTIL, the great apostacy comes first THEN the man of lawlessness is revealed" Then he says how he will be revealed. Pretty much gonna say he is God and to worship him etc. etc. Paul repeats Jesus " immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days" I am a pre wrath guy because Paul and Jesus also match up on some kind of event on the rapture. You see, there is still no wrath by seal 5. We know this because all of the people being martyred for their faith are crying out for God to pour out his wrath and God tells them to wait a bit longer. In Rev we don't see the wrath of God till like seal 6 or 7 RIGHT BEFORE his wrath pours out a multitude just pops into the throne room. I'm not sure how so many miss this. I personally believe THAT is the rapture. Right before he pretty much exterminates 99% of mortal man from the face of the earth.
Those that are alive and remain UNTO THE COMING OF THE LORD...
ANYWHERE YOU READ "THE LORD REPLACE IT WITH YAHWEH'S NAME THIS IS THE TRUE MESSIAH'S NAME. CHRISTIANITY IS OF SATAN.
The Messianic Jewish converts.
Rev . makes it clear in four places that no Christian will survive the Tribulation and the antichrist . They are Rev 6:11, Rev 7:14-16, Rev 13:7 and Rev 13:15. So according to Revelation, there will be no one who is "alive and remains". That phrase is talking about something different...the pre-Trib rapture of the church.
We are not looking for the antichrist but we are looking for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, AMEN!
*To note: There is NO PREtribulation rapture. i should have stated this when giving this Bible verse. The ''falling away'' is the apostasy. the ''man of sin'', the ''son of perdition'' is the Antichrist. The Day Christ comes is not until some time after these two things occur [and other things too; Jesus tells us to watch and to not be afraid]. Please read the Scriptures in other comments; but most of all, please prayerfully reread Gods word and ask God to show you the truth. i read the same Scriptures; and i clearly see that there is NO PREtribulation rapture. The Tribulation is not the wrath of God, the Tribulation is the evil doings of satan including via the Antichrist. The Day of the Lord is when God's wrath begins. + Consider that God kept everyone in the Ark safe as they were still here the entire time while God's wrath poured down over the entire earth. It could be we're raptured some time between the 6th and 7th seal, or not until the end; i'm still studying; but i know God knows for sure. And i know there is NO PREtribulation rapture. This false teaching of pretrib rapture began not long ago; including by a man who Charles Spurgeon publicly warned against. We can and must trust our loving triune God the Father, the Son Jesus Christ our Savior, and the Holy Spirit with our eternal soul by accepting His forgiveness and salvation, therefore we can and must trust God with whatever we go through in this fallen world. God can be trusted. Prayerfully read Gods word. Gods word also tells us what to do and what not to do; including do NOT accept the mark of the beast or worship of the beast NO MATTER WHAT; read God's word about this. + More and more i notice leaders teaching the FALSE teaching stating to their audience ''get saved so you don't miss the rapture''-well that is NOT the gospel. We need to be saved from our sins and saved from eternal hell; only possible through repenting of our sin, turning to our loving triune God, accepting Jesus' payment on the Cross for our sin, believing in, trusting in Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord. Jesus suffered unspeakably on our behalf because of our sin, to save us from eternal hell; such a priceless gift; more than what we deserve. Jesus did not do this for us so we could be lifted out of our lawn chairs to avoid some temporary earthly discomforts. "Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
*Please see my edit in my comment. There is NO PRE-tribulation rapture. And that Scripture i had given in no way indicates a pretribulation rapture and that is not why i shared it.
Jesus said when we see these signs then know the kingdom of God is near. We do look for the signs. Amen?
Really? You aren't looking for the antichrist? Then how come 99% of the "rapture soon!" content is about the Antichrist? One world government, Mark of the beast, wars, high tech, deception, one world religion, one world economy and currency, etc etc, - it is heavily based on what this supposed "Antichrist" will do, and is already doing to line things up.
I enjoy his biblical understanding of the Holy Scriptures!
He's a clown and a dangerous one .
HE DOESN'T THOUGH.
@josephbarbera9220 he understands it this way because he is a dispensationalist and dispensationalist have to have a rapture before the day of the LORD. But this is not what the bible actually teaches. Jn 6:39,40,44,54,64 and Heb 9:27-28 only speak of a second coming. Read all of Matt 24. Don't you think Jesus would have said something about a rapture in this lengthy explanation of his coming again to restore the kingdom? 1Cor15:51 and 1Ths4:13-17 are describing the same day, but Paul says in 2Ths2 that the apostacy and the anti-Christ have to be revealed first. Are you one of those believers in Jn 6:39,40? Of course you are !! And when did Jesus say he would call you up out of the grave? Yeah, you got it. The last day. Not 7 years prior to the last day.
He confuses tribulation with wrath.
Tribulation is what Satan and his children do to the saints.
Wrath is what God does to Satan and his children in order to avenge his saints.
Search the whole Bible, you will never find tribulation described as wrath, vengeance or the day of the Lord.
Even though he is a Calvinist, some of his teachings are good.
Just WAIT for it. All questions will be answered.
Those not in the pre-trib camp will be pleasantly surprised to understand they were in error, and realize that God has returned to fulfill the Abrahamic covenants with the Jews.
Be VERY VERY CAREFUL when you read the comments.
There are quite a number of:
1 . Misinterpretations.
2 . Opinions.
3 . Hopes.
4 . Assumptions and self predictions
Please get your Truths from: Professional teachers who have been studying the Holy Bible for decades.
Not from amateur Christians who have only been studying the Holy Bible for a few years.
Bad fallen angels also know the Holy Bible and love to join in Rapture videos and comments like this one.
John MacArthur as got the correct interpretation.
Nasty replies are not going to get us anywhere.
Blessed are the Peacemakers . . .
Blessed are the Meek . . .
No! NOT "yes but"!!!
What's the original sermon titled?
th-cam.com/video/M8VD6L748zs/w-d-xo.html At one time, there was a transcript for every sermon. However, I couldn't find one for this one. God bless you.
Thank you for your nice explination about the word God
2 SEPERATE EVENTS**
*#1)"Rapture"-Jesus COMING in the Clouds* with power and Great ***GLORY*** and GATHERING His Church, feet not touching the earth: **Matt.**24:30**-31**
*#2) "2nd Coming"- Jesus riding a white horse, COMING* with the Armies of heaven and DESTRUCTION, **Rev.19:11-21**
NO SCRIPTURES show Jesus coming in the Clouds at PRE Tribulation.
THESE are *"the 2nd Coming"*
Rev.19:11-21
Rev.16:17-21
Rev.14:17-20
Pre Trib is a LIAR.
*Simplified Maximum:*
Rapture-Matt.24:30-31
2nd Coming- Rev.19:11-21
Pre Trib- NO Book, NO Chapter, NO Verses.
**Titus **2:13** Blessed Hope*
***GLORIOUS APPEARING***
**Rapture: Jesus coming in the Clouds with power and Great *****GLORY:*****
Matt.24:30-31
Mark 13:26-27
Luke 21:27
Rev. 1:7
Rev.14:14-16
Dan.7:13-14
NO SCRIPTURES show Jesus coming in the Clouds at PRE TRIBULATION.
*WRATH is AAAAAAFTER the 7th Trumpet, so saith:*
#1)The 24 Elders, *Rev.11:15-*18-19*
#2)The Holy Spirit inspired John, *Rev.15:1, 7*
#3)THE VOICE from THE Temple, *Rev.16:1*
*Rev.6:*17 is AAAAAAFTER the 6th Seal is opened and are the words of FEARFUL *men** which contradict the 3 Witnesses of Scripture posted above.
*JUDGEMENT of the people of Earth* comes AAAAAAFTER the number of MARTYRS is completed, **Rev.6:9-11* which comes AAAAAAFTER the first 3 1/2 years:
*Dan.**7:25**-27*
*Dan.12:*7*
*Rev.13:*7*
The 2 Witnesses are MARTYRED Resurrected Called Up and ***REWARDED*** at the LAST TRUMPET:
***Rev.11:*12-*18-19***
When the MYSTERY of God is FINISHED in the days of ***THE VOICE*** of the 7th angel:
***Rev.10:5-*7**
Obviously, you've merged the Rapture and the Second Coming. The Rapture will take place before the Tribulation. Read John 14:1-3, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 abd 1 Corinthians 15:51-53.
At the Rapture, the Lord Jesus will come for the believers. All the dead in Christ will rise first and those who are alive and remain will be CAUGHT UP (harpazo in Greek, rapturo or rapio in Latin, where we get the word Rapture) together to meet the Lord IN THE AIR.
It says, "IN THE AIR," which means the Lord will not come down to earth. This is in contrast with Zechariah 14:4 where "His (JESUS) feet will stand on the Mount of Olives.
After meeting the Lord in the air, the "CHANGE" mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:52 will take place. Every believer, those who have already died and those who are still alive at that time, will receive their glorified bodies.
And then, Jesus will take His saints with glorified bodies to heaven as He promised in John 14:1-3. Why does the glorification have to take place before going to heaven? It's because nothing perishable can enter heaven. Please read the verses I mentioned in 1 Corinthians.
The Second Coming, on the other hand, takes place at the end of the Tribulation when Jesus will come back to earth with His saints and He will defeat the Antichrist. This is what we read in Matthew 24.
The Day of the Lord is the TRIBULATION. You may want to go back to the verses mentioned by MacArthur.
Don't confuse the Rapture with the Second Coming.
Shalom.
Wondering why the saints will go to heaven?
This is when the 7-year Tribulation (The Day of the Lord) is happening on earth. The redeemed believers are not destined to the "wrath of the Lamb" that will be poured out on the earth (1 Thessalonians 5:9-10). Jesus already paid the price for the sins of those who will trust in Him, why should they suffer the wrath that will be poured out during the Tribulation?
And if you want to study further, the Tribulation, called Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7) is not for the church. The Church is not Israel (Jacob)! Unless you believe in Replacement Theology.
God will use the Tribulation to draw His people (Israel) back to Himself and also to judge and punish the unbelieving world. Why would you think believers in Christ will suffer during this terrible Day of the Lord?
You want to study further? Read the book of Revelations and you will notice that the church is not mentioned beginning in chapter 4 until chapter 18 where the events during Tribulation are described. In fact, in chapter 4, John's vision shifts to heaven.
The church is not mentioned again until we get to Revelation 19 when they are seen following the Rider on the white horse (the Lamb). We did a detailed Bible study on End Time Events in our Bible study in Church. If you are interested, I can send you the entire lesson.
I encourage you to look at Scriptures very carefully and ask the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
God bless you.
The Bible would CLEARLY say that there are 2 separate comings, and it does nothing of the sort! If there were 2 separate comings the Bible would say "And then AGAIN you will see the Son of man coming!"
I think there are two strong arguments for pre-tribulation that are hard if not impossible to counter with a mid or post trib view:
1. If rapture was mid or post tribulation, then why did all the christians live with the view, that Christ could return anytime? Is it really like a "thief" when you know exactly that he only returns after the tribulation? That doesn't make any sense.
2. God said that the Antichrist will be revealed once the "one who is holding back" will be removed (which is the Holy Spirit). In a mid / post tribulation view this would mean that saved Christians would lose the Holy Spirit dwelling in them as he would be removed. That contradicts God promise.
Thew holy Spirit isn't removed, he's taken out of the way. Holy Spirit is always here, but it will be a time when he stops restraining for the appointed time of Jacobs trouble. This period is not about the church, the Jews etc...its about God's plan of fulfilling his promises and Eschaton. It's all about Jesus. Remember also we are ONE body in Christ. We suffer together, we endure together. Jesus returns one time only! Matthew 24:29-31. This is Ressurection/Rapture---Parousia. This also is spoken of in the tearing of 6th seal in Revalation! Pre trib is false teaching
It is Michael the archangel who is holding him back. Imminence was never taught. That is a misconception.
It's a thief in the night for unbelievers! We believers will know what's going on. Read the entire chapter in context and you will clearly see this. 2. The holy spirit is never "removed" ...he stops restraining. Holy Spirit is omniscient and fills everything. It is the holy spirit who draws us into repentance and softens our hearts when we receive Jesus, with that said....there will be spirit filled believers...144,000 sealed for example, and people who will come to faith during this time! Holy Spirit is NOT removed.....he backs off to allow for Jacobs trouble! Nobody knows the DAY NOR HOUR, but we definitely will know when he comes as he foretold us and we aren't in the dark because we belong to the light!
Please I need the text of this sermon because I'm not abe to understand english by listening, cause of the accent, but only by reading. Thanks.
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No one knows the day or hour but repent, share the gospel of Jesus and comfort one another. Praise God. Be prepared.
Jesus will come on the last day at the last trump.
Okay, the never before never again serious tribulation trials will come upon all who dwell on the earth but His chaste bride shall have the Peace of the Lord! So it is, we are already in that 'last hour' in the pattern of the Lord's apprehension by the powers of darkness given that last hour/last day.. for us to finish our race of endurance contending against the antichrists and final antichrist, agree?
"Though your redemption tarries.. wait patiently for it" says the Word of God. He is not slack concerning His 2nd coming return appearance for those who belong to Him, but being forbearingly patient with all the living inhabitants of the earth He is still busy calling to get right with Him.
It is written the Lord's return will flash past in lightning speed (my paraphrase of Matt 24 and Luke 21).
All the PreTrib teachings online have all left something to be desired IMHO. Those who see/know the signs of our time ought gather details of the end from the book of revelation and consult the Lord (and one another perhaps) for His grace of divine wisdom and understanding now instead. To remain in Him as our Ark of salvation, to realize how the days of Noah and Lot are ones of a 'peace and security' time to the world around, yet all the while the spiritual tempest is brewing (there is no rest with the wicked as they plan destruction and God's calendar countdown ticks forward).
I'd trust the voice of Jesus the Lord my God more than all the teachers in the world really, who unfortunately at present, seem to come across mistaken or putting a favoured lens on certain critical chapters and verses.
God bless you
That is when he comes to reign on earth fire er. The rapture he doesn't come to the earth...he comes in the clouds😊
It’s not complex. We’re gone before divine judgement but we’re not gone before that wicked one appears. I call that mid-satanic-trib but pre-divine wrath. Ie we’ll be persecuted by evil men but not by God who will scoop us out then show THEM what real tribulation looks like.
All believers will die by guillotine for Christ.
I completely agree. This is what I believe is most Biblical.
First things first, the Church body needs to be fellowshipping with her Lord over Rev 1-3 and make sure she is ready as per Rev 3:10.
(Yes it is written the point of the tribulation is to test the hearts of those who do not belong to Him.. to get a final chance to call on Him then to be saved before the great woes/reserved judgement wraths of God pour out on the whole world who do wickedly following The Antichrist beast. They may even hear the angelic shout not to take that beast's 666 mark, and there will even be a couple of God's witnesses in Israel perhaps at the same time then, preceding our Lord's return there. For in no uncertain terms, those who take that mark will not be saved as they wohud have fallen for a great delusion).
“Remember the word that I said unto you, *The servant is not greater than his lord* If they have persecuted me, *they will also persecute you* if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.”
“But all these things *will they do unto you for my name's sake* because they know not him that sent me.”
{John 15:20-21}
“I pray *not* that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest *keep* them from the evil.”
{John 17:15}
The tribulation is not the wrath of God, but of the persecuted remnant of God's people.
Like the in the days of Jesus Christ first advent, these persecutions will come from both church [fallen] and state.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
{Revelation 12:17}
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and *the dragon gave him his power and his seat and great authority*
{Revelation 13:2}
Hallelujah!!!🙏💞✨
Thank you KING JESUS
“And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again AT THE LAST DAY.”
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.”
{John 6:39-40}
“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.”
{John 6:44}
“Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.”
{John 6:64}
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's *at his coming*
{1 Corinthians 15:23}
Larry, amen and amen. No mention of a secret resurrection. Ever. People are so confused.
larry, another way of looking at this is this; Paul got his doctorate of theology from Jesus U. I don't think he is confused about two second comings.
@@easttexan2933 The Rapture is not a secret doctrine or event.
Even seculars know about it.
When Jesus comes in the clouds, that is NOT a coming to Earth.
So, your argument is null & void.
How many "day of the Lord" is there?
There is only 1 Day of the Lord! it is spoken of many times
In dealing with “the day of the Lord”;the scriptures use what’s known as”the law of double reference”.Inotherwords,a prophecy can have a partial fulfilment in the present or near future,and a total fulfilment in the far future.For example,in Isaiah 13:1-5,17 we see the near future of the prophecy whenever God will bring the Meds against Babylon.But there is also the far scope of the prophecy during the Tribulation period whenever this prophecy will effect the whole World-Vrs 6-16.Prophecy is a wee bit like the weather forecast,you have the forecast for the day,tomorrow and the seven day forecast.So with the day of the Lord.The day of the Lord occurred whenever the Medo-Persians came against Babylon.That’s already happened.But you also have the day of the Lord starting with the future Tribulation period,and spanning through the Second coming of Christ to earth,right through the Millennium to whenever the heavens will pass away with a great noise-Revelation 6:17,1 Peter 3:10-13.The body of Christ,true believers in Jesus,are not appointed to wrath but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.Therefore we are to wait for His Son from Heaven who delivers us from(not through)the wrath to come(the Tribulation period-Revelation 6:17)-1 Thessalonians 5:9,1:10.But you also have the actual day of the Lord whenever Christ will return to earth-Zechariah 14:4.In revelation chapter 4 the 24 elders(Those who are saved before the tribulation period)are already in heaven-Revelation 4:4,5:8-10.Whereas the Tribulation period does not start until revelation chapter six.Therefore the church is already in heaven before the tribulation period commerce’s on Earth.Moreover the number 24 is a complete number;this means that all the body of Christ from Pentecost to the catching up of the church(the 24 Elders)in Revelation 4:4,is a complete body,before the tribulation commerce’s in revelation chapter six.Therefore it’s not a case of some Christians in heaven before the tribulation and some still on earth.No,the body of Christ is complete in Heaven in revelation chapter four.Those who come to faith in Jesus during the tribulation period are not part of the body of Christ,the one new man-Ephesians 2:15-16.But are tribulation saints,ie,those who have been saved in the tribulation period-Revelation 7:14.Therefore I hold to a pre tribulation rapture.But I do however,love and respect my brothers and sisters in Christ who hold to a different eschatological viewpoint.Blessings in Christ 📖✝️
Well said, brother.
You're spot on!
Scripture explicitly states that the resurrection/rapture occurs after the Great Tribulation period. The resurrection/rapture takes place on the Day that the Lord returns in power and glory.
Excellent teaching bringing comfort and hope to the soul! Thank you very much
Except this preacher is deceiving people, it says the dead in Christ shall rise first, when will this happen??? Jesus give's the answer 4 times in John 6 "I will raise him up on the LAST day.
@@georgeenns238 It's very difficult for first world Westerners to imagine that they may actually have their faith test. We have become so lazy and sleepy here and have created a new eschatology to go along with it. I once believed pre-trib, was corrected, read the clear text, rejected the pre-trib lie. It's painful to see people hold on to such an obvious deception my parents still believe it.
@@georgeenns238 " But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. The day of the Lord is not a 24 hour day as so many contend that it is. 1Jn 2:18 refers to this period since Christ as the last hour.
@@jash7401 well, when it says LAST DAY that sure means no pretrib.
@@jash7401 The Day of the Lord = fierce day of Jesus' second coming to destroy the beast of antichrist by just a breath from His mouth and the splendor of His coming! Not quite the same thing as the topic of a prior rescue at an hour or day nobody knows / nobody is told.. but we may know the signs of the end toward that 'last day'. So I wouldnt get so hung up on which day or the length of that day. The whole redeeming quality of escathology is not a lie.
I would say the bible does also teach that there will be a remnant elect and faithful appointed to endure til the end (but noting it will be "cut short for their sake"); those God will mark for protection who will escape ("gathered by four winds from the 4 corners of the tribulation world" just prior to that, as Christ/Jesus unfolds the first six of 7 seals that signify the 'end of this church age tribulation' timeframe (Rev 6). These would include all who will be found In the Faith of Jesus who will NOT have the beast/antichrist destiny consequence refusing its mark of allegiance.
So all in all, it remains an eternal Hopefulness for us who take refuge in the Lord Jesus.
To me, the Main References backing God's providential rescue before all hell on earth breaks lose so to speak are as follows (beyond those initial shakings of Rev 6 arriving tribulation seals, just as the antichrist prepares to be hailed i feel);
. 1Cor15:51-52 that those who remain alive during the post apostle Paul's church age i.e. period of grace til now, will get transformed into glory in an instant, and
. Rev 3:10 re the blessed hope rescue if we hold on to our crown of righteousness IN Christ Jesus.
That said, as I mentioned above, I reiterate I also believe
there will also be those appointed to go through Rev 13 prison situations or death by the sword (by a warring defense perhaps) as the Antichrist has 'his' secret lawless run of 'peace and safety' rule over his subjects; but "not all will die" too. Hence also "Blessed is he who endures til the end of the 1290+45 days" etc fulfilling Daniel's prophecies.
Just thinking about this again today. He doesn't present any evidence that rises to the level of being a hint at the pre-trib view. He assumes pretrib, then interprets the passage around the assumption. He assumes Paul taught pretrib, so being here for the day of the Lord would seem scary if that were the case. He goes into detail on how the Thessalonians were troubled, as if that were evidence for this point of view.
A straight-forward, plain-sense interpretation that does not eisegete in a pre-trib viewpoint also makes sense here. It makes sense that if the day of the Lord happens at Jesus' coming that the church would be troubled if they heard the day of the Lord had already happened.
Let's consider the actual epistle of II Thessalonians here. In chapter 1, Jesus comes back while the church is in tribulation, gives the church rest from them that cause the tribulation, executing judgment on them that know not God, who believe not the Gospel, __when__ he comes to be glorified in them that believe.... and he says 'on that day.' Is there any reason to think that 'that day' in chapter 1 is different from the day of the Lord referenced in chapter 2? And I Thessalonians 4 sets the rapture and resurrection of the dead in Christ at the coming of the Lord. II Thessalonians 2:8 sets the destruction of the man of sin at the brightness of the Lord's coming.
The warning to be on the lookout for the coming of the Son of man as a thief is set AFTER the tribulation in Matthew 24, so we should keep that in mind when interpreting I Thessalonians 5.
Yes. We must keep in faith, praying to prepare ourselves, and keep alert (Luke 21:29-36, Matt 24:1-35).
The world's peace not the same as the peace the Lord gives. Hence 2 Thess 2. The end is not yet But there are and will continue to be signs for those watching and praying til the end / til His visible appearing return on the day of the Lord. Again, Matt 24:23-26 warns not to believe or bother with lying reports during that time of the end's anguish to go meet the Lord/Jesus here there or any secret location.
what was the teaching before 1800?
Well let's see...if the *BIBLE* is used to support the pre-trib position, then it's safe to say that the *BIBLE* has been around before 1800, 'eh? *smh*
His salvation is real and eternal. All others deceive and fail. More great preaching from John's pulpit
AMEN ~ ! I also listen and agree with Hal Lindsey. A pre-tribulation; years and years of Revelation study.
hAL lINDSEY KNOWS NOTHING.
@@garystanfield2274And you are....???
Matthew 24:29-31**** For truth!!!!!
Why are you so concerned about the Jews end ???
We're connected,grafted into Israel. Plus they're our Lord's Covenant people. Why are YOU NOT???
Yes and this is also again in Revalation 6:12.....and this leads us to Revalation 20:4-6! (Souls under the altar still waiting resurrection) and all of the dead in Christ!!!! Hallelujah for clear understanding scriptures. First ressurection/and with that finally the Catching up (rapture of Believers or Ecclesia and the entire body of Christ ...ALL OF THEM not just some as taught in pre-trib) ...so why do people teach a pre-trib when the Bible clearly teaches exactly when ressurection occurs in history! Now we do not know the day nor the hour, but we certainly aren't left in the dark to wonder when this happens! We are not in the dark, but we belong to the light so this day shall not take us by surprise!!!!! Tribulation is t just 7 years. It's right now, and always has been...just ask Stephen, probably the first martyr in the new testament. He's under the altar right now waiting!
Yes your right on target but one thing...The great tribulation is 3 1/2 years. He has shortened the days also,thank God. Amen Mark to your reply!!! 💝
I agree but times call for a stand against lies. YESHUAH didn't let it slid nor will I on your point.
Are we saying "at the last trump" actually dosent mean the last trump?
Tribulation and wrath are not the same thing. Emediatly after the TRIBULATION.
People are so blind I can’t understand why they’re so blind. They can’t understand the difference between the wrath of God in the wrath of Satan and yet they think this man is preaching truth. This man is preaching so much. And it’s terrifying.
The 1 Thessalonians 4 passage DOES NOT tell us the WHEN of the snatching away, only the certainty of it. You cannot separate 1 Thessalonians 4 from 1 Thessalonians 5. It is all one dialogue.
George Feneysey I agree with what you posted. This passage does NOT tell of the WHEN moment. Many more scriptures tell of the WHEN moment, and it's no during some pre-trib moment. I wish it DID suggest a pre-trib rapture, but it doesn't. It only talks about a rapture. We need to read other scriptures to find out the WHEN moment, and there ARE scriptures that tell of the WHEN moment! Even Jesus Himself said WHEN the will happen!
I'm thinking pre-trib believers don't know it, or have not read it, or if they DID read what Jesus Himself said about the rapture, they don't believe it, because it doesn't fit their pre-trib beliefs.
@@michaelbest7872 well said and most agreeable. The amount of times I read the Lord's own words but was blind, wilfully so, to the when of it according to His own teaching. I chose to believe what I was taught when the when would happen ....UNTIL one day I read the same wards of the Lord Jesus and my eyes were opened. I was dumb struck. Why have I not seen this before ? And that's the problem, men seek to interpret the teaching of Christ and presume they know better. You know what I believe ? If the Lord Jesus came in person and began teaching us again, we would again seek to refute His teachings and argue with Him. Not all, but most. 🤔
@@michaelbest7872 DP-ih6nt (commenter up above) said it best: unless you understand why there is even the existence of a 70th Week of Daniel and what it is for, you will never be sure of whether we go thru it or not.
2 Thessalonians 2 : 1 - 5
Not when as in dates, but I think it does as in the 7th trumpet.
The Trump of God is mentioned and the 7th trumpet seems to be very clearly described as the Trump of God
I am of a somewhat different view from Pastor McArthur, the whole presentation is based on the premise that the day of The Lord is the whole 7 year tribulation period. To my understanding, the tribulation is the devil raining affliction on the world upon those that will not worship him. Why then would we call that period the day of the Lord, if anything, it sounds more like the day of the devil. The period of the pouring out of God's wrath however, i.e. the seven bowls of the wrath of God surely can be rightfully termed the day of the Lord. Consequently, the rapture taking place just before the pouring out of God's wrath would technically have happened "before" the day of The Lord.
The whole 7 seven years are called the day of the Lord, because the Lord is the one permitting to happen, since the restrainer, the church, had been raptured before. It's the purpose of God that satan can do what he want to. It's like when God called pagan kings (Babylon, Persia...) and used them to punish Israel every time they don't obey him. Remember its satan acting after Gods calendar and not the contrary.
And since the Lord had already saved us out from the hand of the devil, how can you then imagine the same God sending us again to be martyred by the same devil? Don't you think it would a defeat and a shame for the Lord and joy and victory for the devil?
The Devil knows his time is short. People are even ignoring that the Euphrates river is drying up even now to make way for the Battle of Armageddon. There is no pre-trib rapture where we leave people behind. The entire reason for a rapture at all is so God can pour his wrath out upon the Earth because "we are not called unto wrath".
God sends sinners to hell. That is wrath.
Read up on God's wrath in the Bible.
It is God's word. He never lies, never does wrong.
Lean not unto your own understanding. Believe the whole word of God.
I believe in a mid tribulation rapture after the Antichrist is revealed, but before the great day of the outpouring of God's wrath at the end of the tribulation.
@@stevebates4591 I agree. MacArthur totally mangles 2 Thessalonians 2 1Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
MacArthur said we will be ruptured before anti-christ is revealed and that's clearly not what is said in this scripture. And the Thessalonians were worried that they missed the rapture, they were not worried of the tribulation.
What a twisting of scripture!
I listen to all the pre-tribulation rapture believers because I agree with them and we are Bride of Christ so we won't be here when He pours His wrath during the 7- year tribulation. Please read 1 Thess chapter 5 and 2 Thess chapter 2.
Actually if Im not mistaken, that pre-trib harpazo/rapture snatching away hope mainly only holds up around the point Jesus made in Matthew 24 or the Luke's equivalent where He spoke of 1 being taken, 1 being left behind.
But Id yet ask before the Lord if that be more an allegory picture illustrating that some of us will be taken to be with the Lord (ie through death and resurrection at the end) and some left standing alive after the beginnings of that tribulation to continue being a witness, just before His return upon the earth for armegeddon judgement time against the Antichrist world intent on bringing destruction to all the earth / all living human souls and creation itself.
In America we have the convenience to believe in a pre- rapture teaching. We are the most “blessed” nation on earth that don’t face the sort of persecution and death other nations face when they come to Christ.
Imagine being recruited in the military
and the recruiter says “I hear you- you want to be in the military, but you don’t want to go into war. I promise you- we respect you and want you to prosper. You will never go to war.” And then shortly after, you are called to war in Afghanistan. You think such a person would go AWOL? You think an ill prepared person can stand firm to the end to be saved? No. They were never prepared mentally, physically and most importantly, spiritually.
Trust me when I say- many of the elect will fall from the faith and betray and hate each other. And because many will love wickedness in their own comfort and prosperity, God will hand people over to a delusion so they will believe the lie. And when the church turns apostate and the antichrist is revealed, only after will the Lord gather His remnant in the air to meet Him in the clouds at the last trumpet.
I was saved by Gods grace through faith on March 11, 1979. I was raised in a non evangelistic denomination but there I received a sense of God consciousness. Over a 6 year period I recall listening to the gospel message with a new set of eyes and ears. Much of what God used on me was a study of eschatology , or the study of end time events. I have considered the pre trib, mid trib and post tribulation presentations and a clear review of a timeline of what both old and new testaments presents brings me to the absolute conclusion that a pre tribulation rapture is the only viable conclusion that I can come to regarding the unfolding of end time events. You can clearly see that this present generation is now seeing worldwide events of God getting ready to send His Son to come for his bride. The Jews initially rejected Jesus Christ as their long awaited Messiah but with the coming of Jesus for His bride, the church, this will trigger them to reconsider that they missed Christ as their Messiah. World events are rapidly unfolding at an ever increasing rate as you can both read your bible with one hand and a newspaper or online news media with the other as this unfolds on an almost daily basis
Did you read 2nd thessalonians 2:3, Paul said the gathering together unto the Lord wouldn't happen until there come a falling away from faith and the son of perdition be revealed, so how can there be a pre tribulation rapture when Paul plainly tells us the antichrist would be revealed before we are raptured.?
2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Read Hebrews 11 and 12 where the early christains preferred a better resurrección and preferred to suffer with the people of God (like going thru the Great Trib. to witness their faith and even resist unto blood) and then chap. 12 how Jesús suffered y was mocked before going to be with his father in heaven.
Any "Pre-Tribulation" Rapture is impossible, because The living....will never precede the fallen asleep [dead] (1Th 4:15), particularly those whom Jesus promised to resurrect within "The Last Day" (Jn 6:39-40,44,54). Accordingly, the rapture of the living can't possibly occur before "The Last Day", when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall (Mt 24:29), and the present heavens and earth are subsequently burned-up with intense heat (2Pet 3:19-12), making this day, the last day of this age, a day like no other (Jer 30:7).
What makes you think that when the man of sin is revealed that would happen in the tribulation i think that right before the tribulation and the rapture. That can happen at any time. I don't think that he is going to reveal that who he is to the world but the church would see it.
@@buck4472 Lots of opinions, but the Bible says, "The Man of Sin" must be revealed before "The Day of the LORD" (2Th 2-3). "The Day of the LORD" must also be preceded by the apostasy (2Th 2:3), as well as, a darkening of the sun and moon (Joel 2:31, Act 2:20). Such preconditions exclude imminence.
Furthermore, "The Day of the LORD" is also the day when the present heavens and earth will be burned-up with intense heat (2Pet 3:10-12), thus, a day like no other (Jer 30:7),, the day, which Jesus called, "The Last Day" (Jn 6:39-40,44,54), the day when His Righteous are resurrected (Lk 24:14) and "Harpadzo" (raptured, 1Th 4:17), just before the wrath of God falls upon and destroys all the wicked (Is 13:6-13, Jer 46:10, Joel 1:15-3:15).
Alice, No! In Thessalonians, it doesn't say they (we) would be raptured out BEFORE the day of the Lord! Pastor John made that up, and give his own thoughts in this video. No where in 1 Thess does it mention a pre-trib rapture. No where in the Bible, that I can find, says such. Specifically, the rapture IS referred to, in 1 Thess 4:13-18, but it does NOT say it's during some pre-trib time. It reads more about the post-trib rapture (i.e. Those that are alive and [ REMAIN ] [ unto the coming of the Lord ].
Just because a man of influence, weather he be a pastor or other, doesn't mean they are to be blindly followed.
I don't fear the Day of the Lord ( I fear my death! - meaning I hope it's not a painful death! I live in this body. This body feels pain, right )! In another way of looking at it, I'm not afraid to die, as I put my faith in Jesus. If I die, or get killed today, I put my faith in Jesus that I will be resurrected from the dead, as the Bible promises that!
If I'm lucky or fortunate to be one of those that are alive and REMAIN Unto the Coming of the Lord, then I I'm guessing I will also feel amazing as I'm being raptured! Like those that have died before me, I know that the Dead in Christ shall rise FIRST. Then those few that are alive at that time will be caught up too. If I'm alive at that time, and raptured, I know I will not have to suffer the wrath of God. - which is immediately AFTER the tribulation, and just before He pours out His wrath out upon all the world, at that Last Day, as the scriptures say.
Agreeing with you
If so many saints are beheaded coming right out of the tribulation says it ,for they were still there ,so how do they not get raptured?
They were saved AFTER the Rapture which happens right before the 70th Week of Daniel commences.
They are not Church Age Saints. They are Tribulation Saints.
@@beatlesrgear thankyou I've come to realize this in the last 9 months! God Bless my friend.
I have yet to hear a coherent defence of " the Rapture". Realistically though, I doubt that could happen here?
What does seem reasonable to conclude however is that the original recipientsof the letter might not have understood it either?
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Powerful message.
Spot on beautiful biblical teaching clearly explaining the difference in rapture(harpazo),it's timing and what the day of the Lord is.
tHE cATCHING UP AND THE DAY OF YAHWEH ALL HAPPENS AT HIS COMING.
I think the pre-trip and the post-trib are both correct but the disconnect is the interpretation of the “great tribulation” vs “the day of the Lord”. If the great tribulation is interpreted as the great persecution of the World (by the power of Satan and his antichrist) against the believers of Christ in the last half of the last seven years and the Day of the Lord is the outpouring of God’s wrath/revenge against the perpetrators of the great tribulation, after the great tribulation when the Church has been raptured and saved from that ongoing great tribulation, then both are correct and aligned. No conflict. The terminology pre-trib is then not correct. It has to be pre-wrath. So post-trip and pre-wrath should settle the issue.
I can imagine, that those supporting post or mid-trib are people who have really never suffer any test, trial, persecution, pain.. etc on this earth.
I can't imagine and believe that the Lord will make thousand and millions of believers who are suffering right now some tribulation and even despairing for their life, go once again trough the tribulation to come? How can the Lord let his body, the church, that he has acquired at a high price, go through the hand of the one he has already defeated, satan...for what purpose? What a shame should that be for the Lord and joy and victory for the devil. Can you imagine Abraham, after saving his family from the hand of the enemy, that the same Abraham send his family once again to the same enemy for the purpose of them to be tried...or imagine God telling Noah, after he had built the ark, he and his family should stay outside and wait until the flood is finished before they can enter the ark, if they survived.
Can you imagine that only one second ?
I want to die like the apostles, I want to be beheaded for proclaiming Christ. That's why I'm post trib. I want to die for my Lord for he died for me
You will suffer & no doubt take the mark because you believe Satan's lie of a pre Trib with ZERO scripture to support it.
What an ignorant statement and you obviously need to study your Bible more
Yes , I can imagine this, because the Bible is true, and you are being deceived
@@galinareznikov8577. Then we are not reading the same bible. In what am I deceived? Don't just throw answers like that. How am I deceived?
Don't Mix tribulation
With wrath of God
We should not mix The
tribulation & The wrath of
God
Tribulations:-
Takes place before the
coming of Jesus Christ &
before the rapture of the
Saints, tribulation happens
by the beast, so that Christians
will face the tribulation,
But the world and those who
admire & agree with the beast
will not face the tribulation,
they rather will be in temporary
happiness & peace,
Revelation 13 : 3- 18
Wrath of God:-
Will take place Just after
the rapture of the saints, so
Christians will not face the
wrath of God rather they will
be with the lord in his
presence rejoicing the
reward for their patient &
endurance through the
tribulation.
Revelation 3:10
But, The world, the Beast. &
those who took the mark of
the beast will face the wrath
of God.
Revelation 14 : 9-12
Agreed.
The Bowls are poured out
On the wicked!
But,
The seals and trumpets the Saints who have the Commands of YHVH and the testimony of the Lamb, will be here for. My God is faithful and He will do it! Shalom Brother Shalom
Amen
I have not listened to the video yet, but it seems to me that even in the pretribulaton rapture I believe in, they use some of the same scriptures for the resurrection of the saints in other periods. Not a great comment, I know, but not a lot seems to be clear cut on the timing of the rapture, from scripture, so only the Holy Spirit can show us.
Even scriptures post or midtribbers use, can be refuted by pretribbers, who have better points, as to what God would have. Live right, that is how to get to heaven. That's the important part.
And do not argue against the truth. Listen to the Holy Spirit.
How about checking what JESUS the LORD GOD KING SAVIOUR said ......HE said > AFTER never even hinted of anything different then after
Theres so much false doctrine out there. Its refreshing to hear Biblical Truth from Dr John MacArthur. 🙏☝❤
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
2 Thessalonians chapter 2
Way to read out or context, and these scriptures lined up with the others speaking of the same event is “after” btw…
Daniel 12:1 , Matthew 24, 1 Cor 15, 1 Thes 4 and elsewhere is all the same event “last trumpet” , “dead in Christ rise first” then those who are alive and remain the angels are sent out with the shout of Michael the arch angel (Daniel 12:1) he stands up… this is who The Lord was speaking of in Matthew 24. They are sent out to gather all from the four corners of the earth, those who are alive and remain (will be very few) just as He said will He find faith on the earth at His return? Most will have died of natural causes , or starvation, or war and destruction , OR from being killed for their faith in Christ during the great tribulation not receiving the mark of the beast or worshipping him. But He also states 4x’s in John 6 (on the last day) is when He rises all up for eternal life, or judgment and damnation. (On the last day) so yeah it is “pre wrath” but not pre rapture, what is Gods wrath? His wrath abides on those who do NOT believe, it is eternal, it will be poured out at His 2nd coming, which is at the very end. “Believers are not appointed to His wrath” is true because we have obtained “salvation/eternal life”
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@@topper9915 2 Thessalonians chapter 2
English Standard Version
1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. 14To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
16Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, 17comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.
In Matthew 24 Christ warned us-said false Christ comes first-before He does, Paul warned said the same thing in 2nd Thess. 2 the false Christ comes first-before Christ does..
You conflate the tribulation before the day of the Lord and the wrath when He comes.
Jesus said he would raise us up on the last day...not before that.
@ompa loompa
Scripture to back up your claim, please.
@@BiblicalChristianityAlice 1Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
I love John MacArthur, but I believe The Day of The Lord is the same as the Rapture. Paul mentions both interchangeably in 1 & 2 Thessalonians. Moreover, in 1 Corinthians 15:52 Paul says that the rapture will occur “at the LAST trumpet”. There are 7 trumpets during the tribulation according to John’s Revelation. Therefore, the rapture must occur ON the 7th trumpet.
I strongly agree with John MacArthur’s position on the return of Christ with respect to the Millennium. I believe Christ will return before the Millennium. I believe in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. In Revelation 20:4-5, John says, “I saw the souls of those had been beheaded … And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand year … But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.” There has been no resurrection of believers yet. Therefore, the Millennium is in the future, and those who died during the Tribulation will reign with Christ for 1000 years.
The kings of the east will not bow to the Antichrist.
it really depends on when the wrath of God starts, if its the first seal ( assuming the first seal is at the beginning of the 70th week, which may or may not be true), the rapture happens then. If Gods wrath starts at the sixth seal then the rapture happens there...we know the the fifth trumpet judgement lasts 5 months ( rev 9:5) , and we know the beast is given 3.5 years ( rev 13:5-7), the witnesses are given 3.5 years ( rev 11:3) and Israel is protected for 3.5 years ( Rev 12:6,14) and the gentiles are given 3.5 years ( rev 11:2) see below, thoughts???
if there is not pre-trib rapture, people are Christians are going to be shocked, it all depends when God's wrath happens..
In 2 thes 2, if the phrase” our gathering together to him” is the rapture then the apostasy and man of sin must occur first. This would seem to indicate the rapture won’t happen at the beginning of the 70 week of Daniel.
Phil 1: 6: being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you complete it until the day of Jesus Christ; so in the above verse the day of Christ must be the rapture because that’s when his working in us is complete
Acts 3 21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. Acts 2 4 "For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ' The LORD said to my Lord, " Sit at My right hand, 35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool." '
Joel 2:31 say the celestial signs will occur BEFORE the day of the Lord ( which is the day of wrath), this doesn;t happen until the sixth seal Rev 6:12....I would like a pre-trib rapture, but just don't see it in scripture.....If you look at the first five seals they match Matt 24 birth pangs
I concur with you. Rev 6, Matt 24, and Luke 21:25-26 "there will be strange signs in the sun, moon, and stars and on earth nations in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides, ..the powers in the heavens will be shaken" before the great day of our Lord's return.
Now that I have reread Luke 21 as prompted by the Lord, it is clear as v35 says, That day will come upon Everyone living on the earth.
Yet this doesnt negate or take away from 1Thess 4:15-18 (there being some of us who survive past all that by His good sovereign will, it states " we who are still living when the Lord returns will Not meet Him Ahead of those who have died").
Also, I would suggest bearing in mind 2 Thess 2:3 and NOT take any literal mark of that beast on the head Nor the hand..
We be lookin for Christ! Not the anti-christ!
@Jesse Jordan
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Maranatha, come Lord Jesus.
We are indeed not waiting for the antichrist. But the antichrist will be revealed before the tribulation or the day of the Lord. So if the rapture takes place simultaneous with the start of the day of the Lord, then we may be still on earth when the man of sin is revealed.
@@JesseMgala u r correct will be on earth when the Antichrist is revealed. There is no pre-tribulation rapture in the Bible.
@@kelvinbarber1765 Nah, reveal means coming to scene, and in the case of the man of sin, he'll be revealed or come to scene the first time before the day of the Lord. Reveal doesn't mean "authority over nations has been given to him already" or that men are worshipping him.
To my mind, *the man of sin is revealed before the rapture which will take place simultaneous with the start of the tribulation.*
@@JesseMgala For the AC to be revealed, the Holy Spirit has to be taken out of the way. The Holy Spirit resides in the church. Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would never leave the church so if the HS is taken out of the way, that means the church is removed.
First: "if the it was post trib they would be happy the day of Lord has come"
Minutes later: "if we go through the day of the Lord it would be terrifying even if it was just happening around you"
Jesus does return AFTER the Tribulation. It will be "terrifying" for people like you because you will have gotten in bed with the wrong Jesus because you believe the pre trib lie of Satan.
Post trib does not allow for the repopulation of the world during the Mellenium, with people in there natural bodies .
The elect (Jews that have finally converted to Yeshua as Savior) during the trib , as well as some tribulation saints (Gentiles) whom make it to the end , alive , will repopulate .
If it is really post trib. all would get their glorified bodies at the end of the trib , and nobody would be able to procreate.
The problem with PREtrib believers. Y’all say this and that and what y’all say isn’t even in scripture.we will go through it. The Bible is super clear. Give me your best PREtrib scripture?
@@Keepitoriginalministry pre-trib isn't really in the Bible. I think you're responding to the wrong comment sir
@@tatetheteacher9846 oh I apologize. 😆 I really thought that you were a PREtrib believer. Sorry
“Remember the word that I said unto you, *The servant is not greater than his lord* If they have persecuted me, *they will also persecute you* if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.”
“But all these things *will they do unto you for my name's sake* because they know not him that sent me.”
{John 15:20-21}
It is most likely that rapture of true believers of the supreme living god would take place before the greatest tribulation would occur on earth.
Concerning the last hours or day of the lord, most of the scriptures agree but 1 John 2: 18 seems to talk as if the last day (the 2nd coming of Yeshuah ) would happen in their time, i. e, in the first century AD.
Revelation is clear that Christians will be MARTYRED for refusing the mark of the beast. Martyrs are mentioned several times AFTER the anti christ is revealed. I side with scriptures that cannot be misinterpreted. "When the plain interpretation of scripture makes sense, seek no other "sense".
Amen
The people martyred are all those who become Christians during the Tribulation. Which brings up an important question. How do they hear the gospel of Jesus Christ? Is it because the church is preaching the gospel to them? No. The Bible says in Rev ch 14 vs 6 "And I saw an angel flying in mid-air with the eternal gospel to preach to every nation tribe and tongue". How come the church isn't doing the preaching? because it's NOT present during the Tribulation...it was raptured beforehand.
@@markanthony3275 Amen brother! The two witnesses, the 144,000 sealed, and the angel are doing the preaching...not the church. We are gone! Galatians 6:9 brother!
The Second Coming of our Lord, The Day of the Lord, and our gathering together to him are the exact same event. Jesus teaches us this in Matthew 24. The Apostle Paul mirrors Jesus’ teaching in all of his teachings. Telling us it will come “at the last trumpet” in Corinthians. Paul clearly tells us that our relief comes when Jesus comes back with his fiery angels in judgement in 2nd Thessalonians 1:7-8..Not in a secret rapture before then..and Paul even issues a warning in 2nd Thessalonians telling us that the coming of our Lord AND OUR GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM will not happen until the rebellion and the anti-Christ is revealed. Exactly as Jesus teaches in Matthew 24..There is absolutely no biblical support for the pre-tribulation rapture. It was never taught by the church and was invented in the 1800’s. I was taught to believe in the pre-trib rapture my whole life and not until I was challenged to defend it did I realize that there is no biblical support for it and complete biblical support for the second coming, day of the Lord, and our gathering together to him being the same event..Do not believe me. Read the scriptures for yourself.
My thoughts exactly
The Spirt has shown you these truths brother.
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.
For true and righteous are his judgments: for *he hath judged the great whore* which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
{Revelation 19:1-2}
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb *is come* and his wife hath made herself ready.
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, *These are the true sayings of God*
{Revelation 19:7-9}👈
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Describing events after Armageddon and the seven last plagues.
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The tribulation is recorded to be 1,290 days. The tribulation is for His chosen people who rejected the true Messiah. Those who have accepted Him will not experience His Wrath. I believe we will be called up after the Antichrist reveals himself, but before the the 7th seal is opened, revealing the 7 trumpets.
The “last trumpet” is the trumpet of God, not the 7th trumpet of wrath blown by the 7th angel.
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:”
1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV
@@cdye7003
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
{Proverbs 3:5}
(Not what I believe, but thus saith the Lord.)
“I pray *not* that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest *keep* them from the evil.”
{John 17:15}
“Remember the word that I said unto you, *The servant is not greater than his lord* If they have persecuted me, *they will also persecute you* if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.”
“But all these things *will they do unto you for my name's sake* because they know not him that sent me.”
{John 15:20-21}
And they [the Apostles] departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.
{Acts 5:41}
Like the children of Israel, God knows how to save his people in the plagues/fire.
We will also be saved by the blood of the Lamb of God, before we are resurrected/changed and taken up to heaven for a thousand years.
@@cdye7003
And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that *there should be time no longer*
{Revelation 10:6}
Question: how do we know what is meant by time no longer?
We know that this is referencing prophetic time prophecy and not time itself, because the scripture verses that follows.
And he said unto me, *Thou must prophesy again* before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
{Revelation 10:11}
A day for a year is given with all time prophecies. We know this because the 70 weeks prophecy (the cornerstone) was 490 years in its fulfillment, not 490 days.
The 1,290 prophetic days is historic.
508 - 1798 A.D.
Many count tribulation as wrath tribulation is not wrath
I believe this too. Rapture will happen first to those who are saved and believers. The tribulation will then start. The Holy Spirit must be removed from the Earth at the Rapture before the ac can become known.
Incorrect
Mark 13:11
This is deep within the 70th week here and the Holy Spirit is still indwelling believers and directing their words.
GOD's hand of most supreme reigning control is ultimately the restrainer. Not necerssarily the church or christians on His behalf. There is the 'mystery of inquities' i.e. the world counterfeit man/humanism religious spirit at work until it is removed or until it is the set time for the Antichrist to be revealed. It could be that this beast moves that 'mystery' out of his way, once that has run its course of use.
Re 2 thess 2:3-7.
We are called to be radiant and ready, not raptured and spared.... If the church is removed from the tribulation what would the point be BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS GLORIFIED through THE TRIBULATION.... Much Love and respect from Cape Town South Africa brother John
The tribulation is not for the church; but for the nation of Israel. That’s why it’s called Jacob’s trouble (Jeremiah 30:7)
The tribulation is also the outpouring of God’s wrath to judge the wicked world and its inhabitants (Revelation 15-16).
Why would God allow His church/saints to suffer His wrath when He has already punished His Son for them? Please read John 3:16.
The church is the bride of Christ. What groom would beat up his future bride before he marries her? 😊
@@BiblicalChristianityAlice Please watch the following link and then prayerfully consider the reality behind this topic.... The falling away of many, will be directly connected to many who realise on that day that they are not to be " raptured" away and become totally disillusioned ... This was very hard for me to digest initially but after prayerful consideration it does in fact make alot of sense th-cam.com/video/02RPtXomsSE/w-d-xo.html
@@BiblicalChristianityAlice Amen! 1 Thessalonians 13-18...how can we believers comfort one another 'with these words' if we were to suffer the horrors of tribulation? ! Come soon Lord Jesus! Rescue us, rapture us before you pour out your wrath/anger/judgement upon the earth in the 7 years of tribulation! Amen!
@Sudha
True. We are not appointed unto God’s wrath as our Lord promised.
And as Ed Hindson often said, “if the church will go through the Tribulation, our blessed hope becomes the blasted hope.” 😬
@@BiblicalChristianityAlice Absolutely dear!!
I use to be a post trib guy. I thought that when Christ comes back that’s it. One time and none of this rapture stuff or the thousand year millennium. I believed things just would get super super bad and then, bam! He returns and takes us all home. But I started to mature in my faith by reading more and more of the scripture. Listening to all kinds of godly men. And I have no choice but to believe in the pre trib. A literal interpretation leads you there. In order to get post, or mid, or even amillennialist view you have to over symbolize a lot of different verses. I don’t judge one that has an opposing view. After all our redemption isn’t tied to it. But it does effect your outlook on the end times and how you evangelize. To me if you believe that Christ could come back anytime soon it should motivate you to be proactive with your faith more than the other 3 views.
Well you better go back to post . Because John lying to you. Revelation 16,15
@@garytowner9375 give me your reasons why you believe post? I didn’t get my views from McArthur. I actually got my views from reading the scripture and searching it for myself.
@@joshswicegood3253 Revelation 16,15
@@joshswicegood3253
Mathew 24-29-31
John 17;15
Mark 13:24-27
2 thessalonian 2:1-5
@@joshswicegood3253 I'll give you one big one. There are no passages in context that actually teach a pretrib rapture. Do you have any? Please share. All of them are used bringing the idea to the text from someplace else. It's called eisegesis. Jesus said plainly that his return will be after the tribulation of those days, amen? It's very simple. There is one future coming or appearing of our Lord.
I guess the real answer to this whole topic is that currently, no one knows or understands the agenda of Jesus second coming other than of course what the Word of God states. There are so many differing views floating around, all probably genuine, based on each persons individual understanding of scripture. No one can stand up and stay ‘I know it all’. None of us will know until the events begin to happen and only those who have studied the Word of God and who are open to the leading of the Holy Spirit will understand just as it states in Daniel c12 v9. People will continue to speculate and present their particular view and provide biblical evidence to support it. Others will disagree with those views and again, will provide further biblical evidence to support their view. Best to not disagree over that which none of us can truly understand. If it was clearly understood, we wouldn’t be having this conversation would we! May the Lord Jesus bless all those who know and love Him in Spirit and truth.
Yeshua is coming back in 2025 ...somewhere, Hold God's hand tight and don't fear judgement & you should make it...;-))) the angels that God sent to get earth out of 3D didn't fall with lucifer, thus we will not go through judgement, rapture is very near, the Bride 144,000 will see the tribulation and judgement, but will be kept safe & removed before 3 days of darkness, return after wards and hand out bread and water to those still alive in SA. God sent many New Revelations, check Jacob Lorber, Bertha Dudde...
@@carmendewaal1844 Can you point me to the chapter and verse in the Bible where it states that Jesus will return in 2025? How is it that you know what Jesus doesn’t? Matthew c24v36. I perceive that you are in error and following a false belief. You need to get right with the Lord now and repent! We don’t need any new revelations. The only revelation we need is the Word of God! You teaching is of the enemy and as such is to be totally rejected!
The agenda of His 2nd coming is to restore true justice.. or in other words, usher in His Millenium Kingdom and establish a new/better firmament of the heavens above us and a new/satan-chained sinless earth. A creation renewal by His own hand without any lofty human counterfeit help
@@trulyso734 And that’s what the Word of God declares. Jesus will deliver the kingdom up to His Father and His role as mediator will cease. However, the fact that there are so many different views on when He returned is the issue. For me, it’s quite straightforward. Matthew 24 makes it quite clear. This chapter incorporates 2 Thessalonians c2 and 1 Corinthians c15. We will not go through or see Gods wrath, but Matthew 24 makes it clear that the elect (the body of Christ/spiritual Israel) will go through the ‘tribulation of those days’ because after them, Jesus send His angels to the four winds to gather His elect. None of this can happen until AFTER the apostasy has taken place and the man of lawlessness has been revealed. Revealed to who? The body of Christ! No one else will recognise him. This will not happen until the Restrainer has been taken out of the way. He has been restraining since before Paul’s day. He is still restraining now. In my opinion, this can only mean that the Restrainer is none other than the Holy Spirit who is restraining the man of sin until the right eschatological time has come. We will know who he is when it happens,if of course we are still here at the time and have not gone home to be with the Lord. It is essential that we search and understand the Word of God, seek Him for wisdom, and be prepared for these events.
@@peterclarke3990There were no chapters and verse divisions in the original manuscripts.
Exporting the Rapture (Akenson)…. Jeremiah 9:23
Day of the Lord and tribulation are 2 different things...
Please give supporting verses differentiating the Day of the Lord and the tribulation.
@@BiblicalChristianityAlice did jesus not say we would go through tribulation and persecution in our time ... who are the tribulation saints who washed there robes in the blood of the lamb in rev19 are those saints different from us?
@@michaelalexander9260
Those who will come out of the Tribulation are not part of the church. They will be saved during the tribulation.
The church age believers are those who came to faith in Christ beginning at Pentecost up to the rapture of the church mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17.
The church is not mentioned beginning chapter 5 of Revelation because they're in heaven. The church won't be back on the earth until Revelation 19:11.
@@BiblicalChristianityAlice I geuss even all the apostles except john all those who have died since they all must have missed your special privilege and pass to not have to go through anything.. I've answered your questions I've showed you clear scripture... wake up .
.. not far from now when you see the Antichrist you will know your wrong... wake up... stop deceiving people!
@@BiblicalChristianityAlice it doesnt mention snow cones either in these chapters ... so does that mean they dont exist?
AT THE RAPTURE; the instant removal of the bride to meet our Lord above earth we will receive an imperishable sinless body like that of Jesus Christ. 1 Cor.15:51-57. First church believers who died and then those alive following them up.1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. The Lord calls us from above Earth. I believe the Holy Spirit in us HEARS and actually removes us to His side! Our sin nature, Romans 3:23, is supernaturally removed and our sanctification (being holy) is completed as is our salvation so we can go to Heaven.Romans 6:23.
Timing. We are NOT appointed to God's wrath! 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9; Romans 5:8-9; Rev.3:10. The bride of Christ will not go through "Tribulation" when God judges the lost world left behind. No longer will evil be restrained as one of the ministries of the Holy Spirit. The bride is complete & home. That opens the door for the appearance of anti-Christ; Satan in human form!
MORE TIMING OF RAPTURE
See John 14:3; Titus chapter 2:verses 11-14. It is "IMMINENT"! "Maranatha" ("He comes") was the greeting to one another in the just formed church. They looked for Jesus to come in their time! WE TOO! Only God knows the time the last Christian is saved! Romans 11:25.
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Thank you for this video and chance to praise our Lord. You are a blessed Saint. We are One body in Christ Jesus who knows this moment well.
This praise rises up across the earth: "Jesus is Lord and only He saves". 2 Samuel 22: 50 "Therefore I will praise you, O Lord, out of the countries, and I will praise your name."
THE GOOD NEWS
Blood coming from all over his body and NAKED hanging on that cross like torture weapon! What a Lord and God and Savior! He had to do it. HE is God the Son and only His body and blood could pay the sins price of ALL ever! 1 John 2:1-2.
JESUS SAVES
Mark 16: verse 15: "And He said unto them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." How can anyone hear the "good" news?
*Romans 10:17 "Then faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of God."
God the Son has given us that command! We shall overcome any attacks and road blocks the enemy of our soul places in our path. The Lord is our shepherd. Psalm 23; Ephesians 6:10-18 (be in Christ and remember! the supernatural armor for battle God blessed in us by God the Holy Spirit)
There is a CROWN in Heaven awaiting all who share the Gospel of Jesus Christ and a soul is saved. See 1 Thessalonians 2:19-20; Philippians 4:1. " For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming? 20 For you are our glory and joy."
The Birth Of Jesus Christ
Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the LORD shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and call His name Immanuel." Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל, "God with us" in human flesh but without sin. The Savior of the world was born to die for our sins! He did so 33 years later. His terrible ordeal, the body was mutilated, the blood was poured out, but the bones were not broken, buried in a Tomb and risen on the 3rd day.
Isaiah 53:"5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23
"I am the way, the truth and the life: no one comes to the Father except through me." John 14.6
"1 Corinthians 15:
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; (remember His blood and body He gave! Remember Him in all we do!)
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
THE PAYMENT BY HIS BLOOD FOR ALL SINS EVER
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;." Ephesians 1:7
Matthew 26:28 "For this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the redemption of sins."
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2
Romans 5:8 " But God demonstrates his love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, now justified by his blood, we will be saved from wrath through him."
“For he (God) hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” 2 Corinthians 5:21.
Ephesians 2:"8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sins and rescue us from eternal death. Because of Jesus' death on our behalf, all we have to do is believe in Him, trusting in His death and in the shedding of His blood as payment for our sins, as well as in His burial and resurrection from the dead the third day, and we will be saved! John 20:24-31; See 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
Romans 10:
9 If you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Salvation and forgiveness of sins is a blessing of all who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. We receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit immediately which seals us in Christ Ephesians 1:13-14.This seal is permanent.Those who reject salvation, "perish"(John 3:16) which means their sins are judged and suffer conscious separation from God forever called the second death. Rev.21:8
@Abalone Kid
Amen and amen: Thank you for sharing.
Tribulation and Wrath are 2 different things.. The word θλῖψις is used, which is trouble, distress, oppression, tribulation.. Yeshua himself says we will go through Tribulation in Matt 24!. θλῖψις is used over 100 times in the new testament and is always trouble, distress, oppression, tribulation. Never once does it translate as wrath.
@@TheocracyShawn Yes, in Matthew 24 starting with verse 29 it says “Immediately AFTER the tribulation."
This entire essay is wrong. Where to start? Tribulation is not God’s wrath. That happens when he returns after the Trib. Re:imminence. Scripture doesn’t teach it. Peter had to die first for one. Second, the gospel must go forth to the uttermost parts of the earth THEN He returns. And the man of lawlessness must be defeated first.
@@dougsmith6346 Thanks for responding, Doug. May God richly bless you for His Glory.
Like a broken clock, even a Calvinist can be correct twice a day!
So, the Day of the Lord is not the tribulation, and I’m really curious how he twists it into that. It IS, however, the actual second coming of Jesus. Can someone explain, without just pointing to one text, because I know for a fact there is no “text“ that says the day of the Lord is the tribulation. I know I sound argumentative, but I’m not actually trying to be.
The Day of the Lord is very well defined many places in Scripture and it has two major events.
1. The signs in the sun, moon, and stars. Heavens dissolved, the sky recedes as a scroll.
2. The revealing of the Son of Man
Therefore it cannot take place at the start of the 70th week, because multiple passages place it after the midpoint, particularly Matthew 24:29-31.
This is occurring after the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24:15.
Likewise it occurs in Revelation 6
1. Signs in sun, moon, and stars
Revelation 6:12-14
2. Revealing of the Son of Man
Revelation 6:16
@@seasquawker thanks for the reply. I see the Day of the Lord everywhere in the Bible, but absolutely nowhere does it infer that it is a period of tribulation. I think MacArthur is supplying his own “facts” and the people are just relying on what a preacher tells them it means instead of studying their Bible to find out for themselves what the truth is.
The day of the Lord is exactly what it says it is. It is the day that Jesus returns. There’s only one day he’s coming back. There is no secret-rapture-first-coming before he comes again seven years later. That would be two separate comings No matter how you slice it.
@@jasonwood5782
yes, I would agree that the Day of the Lord cannot be the whole 7 year tribulation as Pre-tribulationists teach. I hold the pre-wrath viewpoint myself which would have the rapture much closer to the end of the 70th week of Daniel, but before God's wrath commences in flaming fire as 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10 describes. Jesus only comes back once, but is seen in the sky before His return as we read in Matthew 24:30 and Luke 21:27 tell us. This is in conjunction with the signs in sun, moon, and stars that we see not only in these Olivet Discourse passages, but we see it in Revelation 6 as well. Jesus is seen by those in Revelation 6:16 when they say, "Hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb." This is the mourning and fear that we read about in Matthew 24:30 and Luke 21:26, as well as Revelation 1:7. This is when the gathering of the elect or the redemption spoken of in Luke 21:28 occurs. This is the resurrection and rapture occurring here in Revelation chapter 7 with the innumerable multitude, just before the wrath of God commences in flaming fire in Revelation 8. Joel confirms this in Joel 2:31-32. There's a deliverance right here in verse 32 with signs in sun, moon, and stars in verse 31 exactly described like Revelation 6:12-14. The fire mingled with blood in Joel 2:30 matches the same description of the first trumpet in Revelation 8:7. Paul even quotes Joel 2:32 in Romans 10:12-13 explaining that there is no distinction between Jew and Greek and uses Joel 2:32 as an example that God will save anyone who calls on the name of the Lord. So pretribulationists who say that Matthew 24:31 is only a gathering of Jews after the battle of Armageddon would need to tell Paul that he got this wrong.
@@seasquawker I have to hand it to you, you’re pretty good at laying out your position!
The 70th week… Most people don’t realize it has already come and gone. They throw it into the future some 2000-ish years for some reason.
The seventy weeks (490 literal years) are part of the 2300 days prophecy (2300 literal years) given to Daniel in Dan. 8:14. The first 490 years are given to Daniel’s people for the 6 reasons listed in Ch.9, and this time period started in the fall of 457 BC. according to history. Dan. 9:25 tells us that “from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the prince, there shall be seven weeks and 62 weeks”, which is 483 years. From 457 BC, to 27 A.D., is 483 years (there was no year “zero“). What happened in 27 A.D.? Jesus was baptized (anointed as Messiah) precisely as prophesied. You may know all this already, but what follows next really opened my eyes and shocked me. 9:27 tells us about the 70th week as you already know. There is a misconception that the “he“ who “confirms a covenant with many for one week“ is the “antichrist”. No where in the Bible can anybody show you that the antichrist confirms a covenant with anybody. But, Jesus does! Matthew 26:28 and Mark 14:24 says “for this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many…“. Back to Dan. 9:27 now, it states “but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering…” again “he“ is mistaken for the antichrist when it is talking about Jesus. What happened 3 1/2 years after Jesus was baptized (anointed) as Messiah? Jesus died on the cross, which brought to an end the need of “sacrifice and offering”. But wait, there’s more! We are only halfway through week 70. What happened 3 1/2 years after Jesus died on the cross? Steven was stoned, and the gospel went to the Gentiles! So when 9:24 says “70 weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city…“ it literally meant 70 weeks of prophetic time which is 490 years, not 483 years plus a 2000 year gap that’s found nowhere in the Bible and then 7 years at the end of time. Incidentally, nowhere does it say tribulation is seven years either. There’s so much more to it, I hope you (or anyone reading this) take the time to open the Bible and confirm what I’ve stated. But, this is just the tip of the iceberg. If some things don’t make sense it’s because, as stated, there’s so much more to it.
@@jasonwood5782
I've heard this interpretation before, but it doesn't even hold up within the book of Daniel. We see in chapter 11 that Daniel speaks about the antichrist and the abomination of desolation and it's the antichrist who brings an end to the sacrifice, commits the abomination of desolation in Daniel 11:30-31, and violates the covenant. Jesus confirms this in Matthew 24:15 and specifically mentions Daniel the prophet. The covenant violated is not the new covenant that Jesus set up with His disciples. It's the Genesis 15 covenant. Jesus confirms this as well by His statement in Matthew 24:28 " where the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together." This is a direct reference to Genesis 15:11 and also Jeremiah 7:33-34 which then also directly makes ties with Revelation 18:23 and Revelation 19:17-21
The tribulation and the day of the Lord is 2 different event. Tribulation won't come from the Lord. We go through the tribulation, like we always do. Even from the days of the early Christians.
At the end of the tribulation THEN "The Day of Lord" (the coming of Christ)
❤ John MacArthur is a great teacher.
Yes he is but he is wrong on this.
How great can be a teacher that claims if you take the mark of the beast you still can be saved...that's outrageous
@@gabrielaeugeniahalmaghi3073 you misunderstand what he said. You also have a different belief of what the Mark is.
@@dougsmith6346 mark of the beast is people getting genetically modified by these transhumanism agenda. Please look into Doug Hamp teaching-corrupting the image.
@@dougsmith6346 That is not an explanation. What does MacArthur mean then?
The mark is clear in the Bible. Not relevant to your comment about misunderstanding.
Why are you not clear?
If the dead in Christ shall rise first during the time of the rapture and all the righteous dead are in heaven then what will happen to the righteous dead during the tribulation those that are beaded then is there a scripture that says the dead in Christ shall rise Second during the tribulation and the righteous Jews both will meet the lord in the air
But isnt the Day of the Lord the Day hé comes back? Revelation 19
@@Over-for-now do you have a Scripture for me?
NO ONE in history has ever read the Bible on their own absent of influence from a pre-trib pastor, closed it saying "Yep, looks like Jesus gets us before all that bad stuff starts." We invented pre-trib.
It started in 1835. A dieing 14 year old girl saw a vision of some Christians going to heaven and some not. That is were this silly pre trip rapture comes from. The bible is clear we can't read into the bible what we want it to say, sadly that is what happens. Just like the fig tree leaves in Matt 24 they say it's the time clock when Israel become a nation again. But in like it says the fig tree and all trees.
Only the angels God sent to get earth out of 3D will be pre raptured, we didn't fall with lucifer, thus will not go through judgement, 12 mill, kept safe inside the desert, most southern on African continent, have been waiting for the others 543 days...;-))) War in heaven started 6/7 March'23, satan will be dumped on earth soon, Barack O is the last antichrist, keep an eye on him, 3 cloned copies all wired head to toes...gay prostitute, for more fun truths, check loohan forums...
Would like to know more
@@barbterramiggi2525 FAI is a Channel here on YT. They are doing a series that is a step by step breakdown of each claim made by pre-tribbers.
@@robertmsimpsonjr7455 That is the most ignorant comment I have heard. Margaret MacDonald had nothing to do with the teaching of the Rapture. She didn't even believe in a pre trib rapture. Try reading what the early church fathers like Irenaeus said. He believed in a pre trib Rapture. Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp who was a direct disciple of the Apostle John. Read & learn.
Seems like that’s what’s happening now. But I know it’s not the rapture
The state of the dead according to the word of God.
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof *thou shalt surely die*
{Genesis 2:17}
Man dieth, and wasteth away: yea, man giveth up the ghost, and where is he?
...
So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their *sleep*
O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, *until thy wrath be past* that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
👉till my change come.
...
His sons come to honour, and he knoweth it not; and they are brought low, but he perceiveth it not of them.
{Job 14:10, 12-14 & 21}
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my *flesh* shall I see God.
{Job 19:26}
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
{The Preacher 9:10}
Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
{Psalm 146:3-4}
Then said his disciples, Lord, if he *sleep* he shall do well.
Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Then said Jesus unto them plainly, "Lazarus is dead."
{John 11:12-14}
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Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection
👉at the last day.
Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet *shall* he live:"
{John 11:24-25}
But go thou thy way till the end be: for *thou shalt rest* and stand in thy lot *at the end of the days*
{Daniel 12:13}
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him *should not perish* but have everlasting life.
{John 3:16}
And *the serpent said* unto the woman, *Ye shall not surely die*
{Genesis 3:4}
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down *in the midst of the stones of fire*
{Isaiah 28:14}
^
(satan always turns the tables on God, for he is the father of lies.)
The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
{Isaiah 33:14-15}
If anyone errors in their understanding of this doctrine of the dead, then they will in no way be led to the understanding of the truth, for it will be a stumblingblock unto the decernment of spiritual things, including soilterology and
eschatology.
“For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father *with his angels* and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
{Matthew 16:27}
“For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.”
{Luke 9:26}
*The chariots* of God are twenty thousand, even thousands *of angels* the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.
{Psalm 68:17}
Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: *who maketh the clouds his chariot* who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
{Psalm 104:3}
Behold, *he cometh with clouds* and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
{Revelation 1:7}
The idea of a rapture confuses me. So Christ comes back for all the believers and then comes back again? I thought Jesus was only coming back once.
““Your brother will rise again,” Jesus told her. Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.””
John 11:23-24 CSB
Notice, Jesus did not correct Martha. He didn’t say no Martha your brother will be raised 7 years before the last day.
Yes and the last day is not 7 or 3.5 years before then.
Last day of what? The church age? The Tribulation? The millennium?
It blows my mind how many Bible believing Christians will ignore the absence of this doctrine (pretrib rapture), just to hold to a tradition of men.
If you washed up on a deserted island and there was a Bible sitting there, and you knew nothing about this teaching, you would not find it in the scriptures. You have to impose this belief on the scriptures
So you can learn the Bible without the holy spirit ?
@@7Logik the Holy Spirit dwells within us it doesn't matter if we are on a deserted island.
You are correct!
@@7Logik don't be disingenuous.... you got the point!
@@mikyungkwon2376 The last few generations have been dumbed down. With that said, you aren't dumb... you got my point, and you can't refute it!
Also Revelation 3:10..we are the raptured church..we are going to be "removed" from even the hour of the 7 year tribulation.
Paul said to comfort one another with these words..not much comfort if we are going to go thru some of it.
Philadelphia is not the end time church.
The symbolism of the seven seals are (seven) signatures as per - The ketubah, (“is written”) a Jewish marriage contract.
The seven churches of Revelation gives us clues as to who the witnesses to the contract are.
Ephesus > Adam
Rev 2:5 " Remember therefore from whence you art fallin"...
Smyrna < Noah
Rev 2:8 " These things said the first and the last"...
Pergamos > Abraham
Rev 2:17 ..."and in the stone a new name written,"...
Thyatira > Jacob / Israel
Rev 2:28 "And I will give him the morning star".
Sardis > Moses
Rev 3:3 "Remember therefore how you have received and heard,"...
Philadelphia > David
Rev 3:7 ..."He that have the key of David"...
Laodicea > Jesus Christ the Bridegroom and his bride, the Israel of God.
--All pointing to dispensations of time in order of their time on earth.
"He that have an ear, let him hear what the Spirit [singular] saith unto the churches" [plural].
(Repeated seven times, one for each church)
“I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the church[es]. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.”
{Revelation 22:16}
--One body of Jesus Christ having *seven* dispensations of time (the spiritual condition of Christ church,....prophetic continuance) during the dispensation of Grace.
And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God.
For true and righteous are his judgments: for *he hath judged the great whore* which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
{Revelation 19:1-2}
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb *is come* and his wife hath made herself ready.
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, *These are the true sayings of God*
{Revelation 19:7-9}
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Describing events after Armageddon and the seven last plagues.
Jesus speaking through his Apostle John to his end time church.
"Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
I counsel thee to buy of me *gold tried in the fire* that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.”
{Revelation 3:17-18}
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My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Knowing this, that the *trying of your faith* worketh patience.
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
{James 1:2-4}
Many shall be purified, and made white, *and tried* but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
{Daniel 12:10}
That *the trial of your faith* being much *more precious than of gold* that perisheth, though it be *tried with fire* might be found unto praise and honour and glory *at the appearing* of Jesus Christ:
{1 Peter 1:7}
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
{Hebrews 11:6}
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for *when he is tried* he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
{James 1:12}
Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
{1 Peter 4:19}
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
{Philippians 1:29}
@@larrybedouin2921 Of course it is
@@vanillacreem816
No! There is no such thing.
And I saw another angel ascending *from the east* having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
{Revelation 7:2}
“For as the lightning *cometh out of the east* and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”
{Matthew 24:7}
And *the sixth angel* poured out his vial [plague] upon the great river Euphrates; and the water [support] thereof was dried up, *that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared*
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, *to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty*
"Behold, I come as a thief. *Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments* lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, *It is done*
{Revelation 16:12-17}
The saints of God will be here to witness all.
Am I understanding properly what was said,,, that the day of the Lord is refered to as the tribulation period?
At the 15:12 mark.
Day of the Lord is not the tribulation period, some needs to explain this point to him.
No wonder confusion reigns.
Spot on , just what the passage teaches! :)
I agree and think it has to be 2 events. In Matthew 24 37-41 the saved remain on earth. In 1 Thessalonians 4 16-7 all believers meet the Lord in the air. Thessalonians is the rapture. Matthew is the 2nd coming where those who come to faith during tribulation and live survive into millinial kingdom to procreate.
Yes and yes.
Absolutely the biggest contrast between the two is we know when Jesus returns it is numbered from the events when the peace treaty is signed we know exactly how
Many days at that point when Jesus returns! There’s 2 3.5 yr periods at that point to the day!
But mainly the first 3.5 years are not a cakewalk like a 1/3 of the earth dies that’s like 2 billion people it will be horrible in those years therefore Jesus would not be able to say it will come like a thief and like the days of Noah they will Be marrying etc
No the times are ominous people are dying there’s no marrying coming unexpected in the tribulation! Especially believers we will know exactly what’s going on as soon as a antichrist figure announces a 7 year peace with Israel!
Nope we rapture first then you can dig into all the Old Testament types and shadows of rapture! The Noah story for one. Lott gets delivered prior to destruction coming the angels tell him to have to leave before this can start.
Then there’s Elijah and Elisha. Enoch Ofcourse is a church raptured before Noah and the flood Noah is a pic of Israel they are protected through the trib but they are in it. Noah was in the water. Enoch was with Hod he was raptured!
Well you thinking and the bible saying are two different things.
@@joelcarter2535 The problem you have is (the ones taken) Matthew 24 v 40 n 41 & Luke 17 v 34:35 , go straight to hell , so what do you think happens to the ones Left . You have to have someone go on to re populate the Millennium ,. Who ?.
@@nzbrotrev9028 Well there's the whole thing with the mark of the beast to where they'll choose to want to be saved or not of they aren't decived
Steven Anderson does a very good video on that subject and blows the pre tribulation myth out of the window .
So following your time line , the wicked are removed ( Matthew 24 v 40 41, Luke 17 v 34 : 35 : 36 ) then your Raptured up to meet the Lord in the air , that would leave No one on the planet when ya got back , so where do the people come from that enter into the Millennium , the ones you rule out and reign over with Christ.
@@nzbrotrev9028 In Revelation 19 it says that the ones who took the mark and wage war against the Lord are the ones who are killed. In Revelation 14 it says God is gonna pour out his wrath full strength on all who took the mark. It sounds like maybe unbelievers can make it to the millenium if they dont take the mark.
Steven Anderson is a hater and false teacher
There is a major mistake here by Pastor John.
A biblical day is 1000 years (2Peter 3:8 and Psalm 90:4). The Day of the Lord is not referring to the tribulation period of 7 years. It is referring to the 1000 year Millennial reign of Christ, which is the 2nd biblical Sabbath day, a day of rest. His coming is to establish His Kingdom physically on earth from Zion. It is not to take people away to heaven. We will be resurrected or caught up to Zion which will be high in the clouds, to welcome Him back to earth. It is a coming, not a going away.
The Lord says in Mt 24:29 - “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
This is plain and clear, the Lord comes back after the tribulation.
How can He establish his kingdom if the tribulation is still ongoing? Are there 3 comings of Christ?
The tribulation period precedes the day of the Lord. They are not the same thing.
The 1st resurrection, the rapture, and His coming are a singular event. Then He will wage war on those armies which surround Jerusalem and establish himself as the rightful King.
How can the Day of the Lord happen before He comes back? This is crazy to call tribulation The Day of the Lord. Scripture calls tribulation "birth pains" of His coming.
The tribulation is not all God's wrath. The first half of tribulation is persecution against the saints and destruction of nature. It is not until the martyrs are completed that God's wrath begins on the nations.
If the rapture is pre-trib, then where are all these martyrs coming from?
The Day of the Lord (wrath) happens at the 7th seal. The 6th seal is the rapture. The 5th seal is persecution/martyrdom of Christians (wrath of the antichrist). Seals 2-4 are just the beginning of sorrows. The 1st seal is the antichrist signing a covenant; which begins the 7 year period.