I'm looking forward to trying this myself. I stumbled across it when trying to exaggerate leading with my elbow. The pro who does it most obviously is Vaino Makela, and to a lesser extent Niklas Anttila.
Yeah, lately I have been thinking only of one thing regarding the pull through. Not pull at all😅 I just think about holding my upper arm up, out and a tad infront (meaning sliggtly more than 90degrees) and rigidly keeping it there the entire swing. So basically locking my deltoid. Same with wrist. I just think about locking it. Seems to work great for me. Without a techdisc, the best way to know how clean it is, is to smash torque sensitive base plastic putters hard. They come out very clean with relatively good consistency. Hit 374 with a p2 with that the other day and it was a 80% effort I would say. If I try harder wobble seems to rear its ugly head again, so still some to work on.
Yeah, I think scapular protraction also automatically cues elbow up a lot and people who have elbow up issues often are not using scapular protraction and so just trying to keep the elbow up without scapular protraction isn't very robust. I think for most people if you told them to put their forearm across and touching their stomach, and then from there go into full scapular protraction, most people would automatically raise the elbow even though you can keep the elbow pretty low and do scapular protraction, but it's weirder feeling to do that.
Also, I'm starting to think you shouldn't try to help your elbow bend in at all really, it doesn't need help, it will bend into the power pocket automatically from the rotation and other forces, helping it to bend to come more "in" to the chest seems to make you more likely to have some elbow drop and anti briefcase disc orientation because you subconsciously feel you are running out of space and need to do something to not let the disc hit your chest. Focusing more on scapular protraction and not on bending the elbow seems to make it bend in a more controllable and inline way. This actually gave me the idea to try to actively resist elbow flexion to see what that feels like. Just scapular protraction + "keep elbow open and curl wrist". I actually think it might work fine because the elbow will still be forced to bend on high power throws, we'll see though, very interesting.
@disc-golf-neil Yeah, not thinking about getting the disc close was something I also stopped when I made those changes. Neither AB nor Kuoksa get the disc very close, so they are kind of living proof it's a waste of time venture. I did notice that I got some rounding issues and the mph dropped every time I accidentally rounded. Saw it on video after. But I think I will naturally solve that as I get used to it. I didn't round because the arm lagged too far behind, but because I stiffened up the elbow too much sometimes. I need to just find the perfect balance there. Before when I had a more noodle arm approach I got the power, but not the angles. And bit nose problems. But my arm was never soar. With my new approach I can feel soar in the arm if I rip hard continuously. Have you noticed this? Can angle control be a bit unnatural for the pull through causing strain in the arm? Because I have heard pros who can really smash, that they feel soar in the arm after continuously smashing in the field. As I said. Was never an issue with noodle arm.
@@disc-golf-neil I agree. Dg Spin Doctor has the "spaghetti drill" that, along with scapular protraction,has helped me a bunch with swing plane and pocket. th-cam.com/video/Gvdag3z_si4/w-d-xo.html
@ I’ve also heard pros say the opposite “I don’t use my arm and it never gets sore”. I’ve experienced both but when I focus more on scapular protraction I get less arm soreness and more soreness in the upper back and lower side of back which I think is a good sign that I’m loading more of the other parts of the body. I’ve never had super sore arm though but probably because of racket sport and climbing background.
I'm looking forward to trying this myself. I stumbled across it when trying to exaggerate leading with my elbow. The pro who does it most obviously is Vaino Makela, and to a lesser extent Niklas Anttila.
Love it! Yeah it seems like a great cue and helps multiple things at once. I'll need to work on it, myself.
Yeah, lately I have been thinking only of one thing regarding the pull through. Not pull at all😅
I just think about holding my upper arm up, out and a tad infront (meaning sliggtly more than 90degrees) and rigidly keeping it there the entire swing. So basically locking my deltoid. Same with wrist. I just think about locking it.
Seems to work great for me. Without a techdisc, the best way to know how clean it is, is to smash torque sensitive base plastic putters hard. They come out very clean with relatively good consistency. Hit 374 with a p2 with that the other day and it was a 80% effort I would say. If I try harder wobble seems to rear its ugly head again, so still some to work on.
Yeah, I think scapular protraction also automatically cues elbow up a lot and people who have elbow up issues often are not using scapular protraction and so just trying to keep the elbow up without scapular protraction isn't very robust.
I think for most people if you told them to put their forearm across and touching their stomach, and then from there go into full scapular protraction, most people would automatically raise the elbow even though you can keep the elbow pretty low and do scapular protraction, but it's weirder feeling to do that.
Also, I'm starting to think you shouldn't try to help your elbow bend in at all really, it doesn't need help, it will bend into the power pocket automatically from the rotation and other forces, helping it to bend to come more "in" to the chest seems to make you more likely to have some elbow drop and anti briefcase disc orientation because you subconsciously feel you are running out of space and need to do something to not let the disc hit your chest.
Focusing more on scapular protraction and not on bending the elbow seems to make it bend in a more controllable and inline way.
This actually gave me the idea to try to actively resist elbow flexion to see what that feels like. Just scapular protraction + "keep elbow open and curl wrist". I actually think it might work fine because the elbow will still be forced to bend on high power throws, we'll see though, very interesting.
@disc-golf-neil Yeah, not thinking about getting the disc close was something I also stopped when I made those changes. Neither AB nor Kuoksa get the disc very close, so they are kind of living proof it's a waste of time venture.
I did notice that I got some rounding issues and the mph dropped every time I accidentally rounded. Saw it on video after. But I think I will naturally solve that as I get used to it. I didn't round because the arm lagged too far behind, but because I stiffened up the elbow too much sometimes. I need to just find the perfect balance there.
Before when I had a more noodle arm approach I got the power, but not the angles. And bit nose problems. But my arm was never soar.
With my new approach I can feel soar in the arm if I rip hard continuously. Have you noticed this? Can angle control be a bit unnatural for the pull through causing strain in the arm? Because I have heard pros who can really smash, that they feel soar in the arm after continuously smashing in the field.
As I said. Was never an issue with noodle arm.
@@disc-golf-neil I agree. Dg Spin Doctor has the "spaghetti drill" that, along with scapular protraction,has helped me a bunch with swing plane and pocket.
th-cam.com/video/Gvdag3z_si4/w-d-xo.html
@ I’ve also heard pros say the opposite “I don’t use my arm and it never gets sore”.
I’ve experienced both but when I focus more on scapular protraction I get less arm soreness and more soreness in the upper back and lower side of back which I think is a good sign that I’m loading more of the other parts of the body. I’ve never had super sore arm though but probably because of racket sport and climbing background.
for science!!!!!!!