If anyone needs a text version of the procedure, pre-throw checklist, and main throwing cue: Procedure: 1. One-leg throws, 10 at 50% (half) effort: -Back fingers only, backloaded grip 2. Standstill throws, 10 at 50% (half) effort: -4 fingers with no thumb, backloaded grip 3. Standstill throws, 10 at 50% (half) effort: -Full grip with thumb, backloaded grip 4. One-step throws, 10 at 50% (half) effort: -Full grip with thumb, backloaded grip 5. X-step throws, 10 at 50% (half) effort: -Full grip with thumb, backloaded grip Pre-throw checklist for the entire session: -Shoulder/scapula is depressed and protracted -Elbow is up high and far away from body -Disc is underneath or in front of right pec (depending on your pullthrough height) Main throwing cue for the entire session: Once you are coiled back, throw by: -Curling the disc through your right armpit as you squeeze the back fingers
I just tried following this routine and I noticed some discomfort in my knee when doing the one leg throws. What’s the benefit to doing one leg throws vs. stand still throws?
@@lukasnolta9510 I would skip the 1-legs then, the benefits of them aren't worth the risk if your body's not agreeing with the movement (it's common for 1-legs to feel awkward for some people's knees and hips). The benefit is that they isolate the throwing arm and reduce lateral movement, but you can just throw standstills at 25% effort instead 👍
THIS video unlocked it for me. The connection between the correctly loaded grip and the upper body positioning. I can finally feel the effortless power pocket and "snap"! Thanks so much Nick!
You and Clint are the best! The way you both have figured out the mechanics and break down how to implement foundational drills has helped my game so much! Please make more videos like this love the content
Good video. Your point of having a lower launch angle to compensate for nose angle hit home for me. I now understand that I’ve compensated for nose up by throwing very flat. And why uphill holes always end with me driving into the ground half way up a hill. New information has come to light! The dude abides.
Excellent tips! I just went out to the field with a few discs and my tech disc and was effortlessly throwing nose down by tweaking my grip pressure and making sure my shoulder is depressed 👍
Great stuff, Nick! This is a great synopsis of the back loaded messaging you've been giving in your recent videos. I had a big revelation today that started from a session of back loaded one-legged throws (per the training plan you shared in a prior video). I was successfully throwing nose down with back fingers only, and even with back and front fingers things were looking good. But... as soon as i added my thumb, my nose angles went positive again. After much frustration, i realized that i was forcing the nose of the disc up with the meat around the bottom knuckle of my thumb in my normal power grip. I'm able to fix the problem if i intentionally leave a gap between the disc and the bottom knuckle of my thumb, pressing only the pad of the thumb into the top of the disc, just as you show here. I think this is a grip topic that's rarely discussed. Thanks for the knowledge, dude! Loving your videos!
Hell yeah man! Excited to try this out. I've been struggling with terrible nose angle (5-9 degrees) as my speed's been increasing. The turn the key prompt has been working, but like you mention, it's very unreliable at my skill level and the wobble/nose/hyzer all get messed up Gonna have to wait a few weeks as I've got some of that bad soreness in my middle finger due to recent high throwing volume, but I'll update this thread with my results. Cheers!
Just got back at it today. The results were pretty awesome! I was able to get back fingers only to about -5 and same with no thumb grip. My main issue now is when I go 80% with my thumb on the plate, I get about 2 degrees of nose up. I haven't practiced this too much yet, but I'm pretty sure the nose up angle on the bigger throws are caused by muscle memory which I'll have to work on replacing. Thanks so much for this video!
@@michelgleeson708 that's amazing! thank you for reporting back I really appreciate it. The nose popping back up at high power levels happens to nearly everyone when they first make these changes, so that should naturally improve over time. I've also noticed that focusing on the backloaded squeeze while still hooking the index finger into the rim hard through the elbow extension at the end of the throw can help mitigate some of the grip and nose issues at high power.
Love your videos! Not sure if you’ve already done it but maybe in a future video you can talk about launch angles and nose angles for golf shots vs max distance shots. Also what nose and launch angles are beneficial to combat (or use) different wind directions for distance or accuracy.
That's a great idea, thank you for the feedback! I'd have to do some digging and potentially come up with arbitrary launch angles for golf shots since it's not something we can readily measure on the course, but for distance lines my recent distance lines video shows some techdisc simulator runs that give a solid launch angle baseline 👍
For me dipping the shoulder down and front causes elbow to keep up during throw and prevent rounding. Very happy to see and hear this being told to wider audience and confirm right what I've been doing🎉 maybe.
I hope you people can recognize true knowledge when you hear it. Nick is offering some of the most helpful advice here you can hope for without paying a coach. Nick, you are the man.
Love you videos!! I’d love to get a complete breakdown of that Barela standstill. What is his body doing. And also I wanna hear more about what you’re feeling in your body. That cue regarding pulling through the armpit is super helpful to understand what you’re looking to feel
i grip the disc without my thumb "at first" placing it in my hand in a nose down fashion , my middle and ring finger are mainly on the rim but slightly on the plate too , my index finger is doing nothing atm , my pinky i straighten out onto the plate of the disc which locks in that nose down angle , i then gently put my index finger on the plate of the disc mostly but barely on the rim too with no strength and then my thumb finds my index finger and touches it through the plate somewhat and that sounds like a lot but its naturally done in seconds now without thinking about it really..
I am 5’7" and 180 lbs, and I just want to say that I took some of your drills and advice and broke my distance record today. Backloading the grip to get the nose down eventually lead me to completely remove my pinky from my drivers. This allowed me to focus on flexing the muscles on the bottom of my forearm only throughout the throw. I then focused on a full "reach back," while keeping the elbow out and pulling through the arm pit. I launched several shots over 540. But my new record is 647’! Now on to 700+"! Thank you for sharing all your tips! #shortguyscanthrowfartoo
"Back loading" is something I've started doing more from experimenting with grip over months too. I've never made the connection of tension in those muscles help aid to keep the wrist down. I have been applying more pressure with my ring and middle, I've had instances of applying too much with my pinky actually causing grip locks... But maybe I should try lifting pressure off my middle and apply more with my ring for more nose down consistency? The other question. Have you noticed differences on spin rate depending on which finger is applying the most grip pressure?
I have not personally seen a difference in spin purely from grip pressure location (provided my index finger is still hooking the disc properly at the release point). However, the back finger only grip (used on the 1-legs) will reduce spin since the index finger is not involved at all.
14:00 i feel like when you coil notice how your head stays in one spot.. i realized that awhile back and reminds me of when someone holds up a chicken and rotates the body of the chicken but the head always stays looking forward never moving haha
@@Tsxtasy1 thank you! I usually shoot outdoors but we had some weather issues so I tried to use golden hour light through the window which ended up being far too intense and inconsistent, hopefully one day I can invest in some good artificial lighting gear 👍
Great video! For what it’s worth, Eagle’s last name is pronounced “Mick-Man”. But as for the content, still working on getting the actual speed up! I’ve got the spin and nose angle basically where I want, but increasing the actual speed itself is just the difficulty currently.
@@vidathan haha I noticed that I over enunciated the heck of his name when I was editing the vid, my mind must’ve been in super technical explanation mode. Noted on the vid idea 👍
@@eh4241 this is fairly common at first, if you continue feeling the good sensations of those nose-down back finger only throws, you’ll eventually be able to do it with the full grip!
Hey amazing video! I love the drill with segmenting from one leg to full x step, I caught ur video a while back and did this drill before a round and felt a bit more consistency. I had a really big question with this though, I noticed a snap and release consistency in my grip when i started FRONT loading, not back loading, and I would feel the disc rip off of my index finger, that got me to a consistent golf line around 375. Any thoughts on front vs backloading and why you prefer back? If its a night/day type of thing it might be worth it for me to drill some of it, I personally gravitated towards a front loaded grip, and i fan grip up to 10 speeds, switch to power. Its very interesting to hear you say you backload but still feel the front snap/hook. Thanks! edit: for clarification, I am gripping the entire disc at around 70-85% strength, but definitely leaning towards gripping harder on the front 3 fingers
Thank you for watching! There's a lot of individuality about the perceived front loading vs. back loading, so it's possible you are getting more snap because the index and thumb are hooking the disc better for that final pivot before release. If you can do that and maintain good nose angle then it's a perfect mixture of clamping pressure at different times of the throw. Some people maintain ulnar deviation and humerus internal rotation (high elbow) with lots of frontloading 👍
You know of any reason why I can do the first three steps with CRAZYYY nose down but as soon as I add in the one step, X step, or any kind of power the nose pops right back up to 4+ deg???
This is super common so no stress. It usually can be any of these things or a combination of multiple: -Reachback creeps up from body dropping into brace on one-step or x-step, causing swoopy pullthrough and elbow drop -Shoulders rotate too fast for arm to keep up with, causing shallow pocket and elbow drop (and potentially death grip induced radial deviation) -Back fingers aren't yet adjusted to the grip demands of one-steps and x-steps
You had mentioned the pull through armpit before and that cue has helped me and so many other people I play with. Basically gained 40 feet from that if not more.
So regarding grip pressure direction- given top of disc is “up” and rim is “in”- what do you find for performance results if squeezing the fingers “in” rather than “up”? Is there a difference in spin or control of angle? Some of the lessons in a popular training program specify this difference but do not go beyond “do it this way”. Considering physiological differences, injuries, mobility concerns, etc some grips may naturally drift toward or away from certain subtleties and I am curious if it can be a distinction without a difference, or if there is a specific application for direction of grip pressure.
Great question, I like to feel a blend of the "up" and "in" squeeze from those back fingers, with the index finger acting more as a light hook in the "in" direction 👍
Do you throw max distance with back loaded grip? should people adapt to more front loading after getting the nose andle corrected with this drill. Seems most resources recommend front loafing for distance shots. Would be happy to see video and your thoughts on how to train the "tug" where disc pivots around index finger and accelerates.
I am still experimenting with it but for now, I am backloading everything to make sure my nose angle habits maintain in the near term. I've noticed that perceived frontloading vs. backloading pressure varies a lot from person to person, but when throwing at our power limit we all likely use strong clamping of all 4 fingers at the end of the throw. The important thing is to maintain ulnar deviation and internal rotation of the humerus at release 👍
yes, thate elbow thing is really good way of thinking about it too. Another good one is Clint's "get the disc inside your body" cue which works for many people
@@noahturnbull8077 it depends on the person so I’d experiment with it and see what gives you the left flights 👍 generally higher speed discs will be more nose angle sensitive
Absolutely, mechanically efficient form allows someone to reach their athletic potential with arm speed which in turn will maximize how far they throw 👍
I think Joonas or coach Chris Taylor recorded it so if I do a full analysis, I'll grab the full video of AB and KK and make sure to give credit to those coaches 👍
@@NickKrush.DGandFit let us say that is 79 on a one step with radar. That still putts me in my place so hard. That is 30% more power than I van generate.. why? Being young...no I don't think that is it. There is finesse. You agree?
You can look for indicators of positive nose angle from the way discs are flying such as air bouncing, flying more overstable than the flight numbers suggest, or even a nose-up attitude on a side view video. If you start throwing more nose down you'll notice your discs turn more and will usually have more forward penetration during the fade portion of flight.
I'm surprised to hear that target nose angle is -2 to -5 deg. I always assumed "nose down" was an overcorrection for a target close to 0, simply equal to launch angle. Curious why negative, aerodynamically, would be optimal because it seems like you would be *pushing* the top of the disc, creating drag (i.e. as opposed to minimal drag profile)
I give an explanation for the nose down physics at 2:37 into this video: th-cam.com/video/GlYIO6Nv2Ak/w-d-xo.htmlsi=52WW2_-p6YwjyFEr&t=157 Just in case that link doesn't work I'll give a quick summary: -Descent rate increases during the latter portion of flight -This causes angle of attack (nose angle) to increase substantially -This substantially increases drag and the leftward gyroscopic precession (fade), which decreases lift -By throwing mildly nose down at release, we cause a slight decrease in lift and slight increase in drag initially -But, because it drastically minimizes the positive nose angle later in flight, it produces the best aggregate aero conditions over the entirety of the flight
Hi Nick, Any recommendations on how to strengthen your back fingers grip strength? Have you tried those grippers for individual fingers? I'm curious if they work or if dumbbell finger rolls work better for this.
I like bloodflow/tissue remodeling exercises (high rep finger rolls with back finger emphasis) combined with raw horsepower exercises (short duration max iso back finger disc holds) to make sure the fingers are staying healthy as we increase their max force capacity 👍
@@CS-Bothe 👍 you’re welcome, and yes the fingerboard would be great for that especially if doing a mix of front finger and back finger for both half crimp and full crimps!
If anyone needs a text version of the procedure, pre-throw checklist, and main throwing cue:
Procedure:
1. One-leg throws, 10 at 50% (half) effort:
-Back fingers only, backloaded grip
2. Standstill throws, 10 at 50% (half) effort:
-4 fingers with no thumb, backloaded grip
3. Standstill throws, 10 at 50% (half) effort:
-Full grip with thumb, backloaded grip
4. One-step throws, 10 at 50% (half) effort:
-Full grip with thumb, backloaded grip
5. X-step throws, 10 at 50% (half) effort:
-Full grip with thumb, backloaded grip
Pre-throw checklist for the entire session:
-Shoulder/scapula is depressed and protracted
-Elbow is up high and far away from body
-Disc is underneath or in front of right pec (depending on your pullthrough height)
Main throwing cue for the entire session:
Once you are coiled back, throw by:
-Curling the disc through your right armpit as you squeeze the back fingers
I just tried following this routine and I noticed some discomfort in my knee when doing the one leg throws. What’s the benefit to doing one leg throws vs. stand still throws?
@@lukasnolta9510 I would skip the 1-legs then, the benefits of them aren't worth the risk if your body's not agreeing with the movement (it's common for 1-legs to feel awkward for some people's knees and hips).
The benefit is that they isolate the throwing arm and reduce lateral movement, but you can just throw standstills at 25% effort instead 👍
Crazy how the techdisc can read nose angle when it's not even connected to your face.
LOL this is a great point, really makes you wonder
🤯🤯
THIS video unlocked it for me. The connection between the correctly loaded grip and the upper body positioning. I can finally feel the effortless power pocket and "snap"! Thanks so much Nick!
This is great to hear Brett, and thank you for the feedback!
You and Clint are the best! The way you both have figured out the mechanics and break down how to implement foundational drills has helped my game so much!
Please make more videos like this love the content
Glad to hear it and thank you for the support man!
Good video. Your point of having a lower launch angle to compensate for nose angle hit home for me. I now understand that I’ve compensated for nose up by throwing very flat. And why uphill holes always end with me driving into the ground half way up a hill. New information has come to light! The dude abides.
Right on! Good luck with everything man
Too kind my man.
Right on man!! So awesome to see this!
Let's go Nick 2.0! Great video tutorial. I'll be trying that this weekend. Thank you!
You're very welcome. Best of luck with the drills Nick 1.0!
Oh yeah. Cant wait to do this drill. Just got my techdisc. Keep up the great videos Nick!
@@mikkelisaksenrobinson will do, friend!
Excellent tips! I just went out to the field with a few discs and my tech disc and was effortlessly throwing nose down by tweaking my grip pressure and making sure my shoulder is depressed 👍
Oh that's awesome to hear man, thank you for the quick feedback!
Great stuff, Nick! This is a great synopsis of the back loaded messaging you've been giving in your recent videos. I had a big revelation today that started from a session of back loaded one-legged throws (per the training plan you shared in a prior video).
I was successfully throwing nose down with back fingers only, and even with back and front fingers things were looking good. But... as soon as i added my thumb, my nose angles went positive again. After much frustration, i realized that i was forcing the nose of the disc up with the meat around the bottom knuckle of my thumb in my normal power grip. I'm able to fix the problem if i intentionally leave a gap between the disc and the bottom knuckle of my thumb, pressing only the pad of the thumb into the top of the disc, just as you show here. I think this is a grip topic that's rarely discussed. Thanks for the knowledge, dude! Loving your videos!
Nice! It sounds like the thumb adjustment helped keep the radial flexion muscles from firing at the end of the throw.
And thanks for the support🤝
Hell yeah man! Excited to try this out. I've been struggling with terrible nose angle (5-9 degrees) as my speed's been increasing. The turn the key prompt has been working, but like you mention, it's very unreliable at my skill level and the wobble/nose/hyzer all get messed up
Gonna have to wait a few weeks as I've got some of that bad soreness in my middle finger due to recent high throwing volume, but I'll update this thread with my results.
Cheers!
Best of luck with it all, I'm looking forward to hearing the results!
Just got back at it today. The results were pretty awesome! I was able to get back fingers only to about -5 and same with no thumb grip. My main issue now is when I go 80% with my thumb on the plate, I get about 2 degrees of nose up. I haven't practiced this too much yet, but I'm pretty sure the nose up angle on the bigger throws are caused by muscle memory which I'll have to work on replacing. Thanks so much for this video!
@@michelgleeson708 that's amazing! thank you for reporting back I really appreciate it.
The nose popping back up at high power levels happens to nearly everyone when they first make these changes, so that should naturally improve over time.
I've also noticed that focusing on the backloaded squeeze while still hooking the index finger into the rim hard through the elbow extension at the end of the throw can help mitigate some of the grip and nose issues at high power.
Love your videos! Not sure if you’ve already done it but maybe in a future video you can talk about launch angles and nose angles for golf shots vs max distance shots. Also what nose and launch angles are beneficial to combat (or use) different wind directions for distance or accuracy.
That's a great idea, thank you for the feedback! I'd have to do some digging and potentially come up with arbitrary launch angles for golf shots since it's not something we can readily measure on the course, but for distance lines my recent distance lines video shows some techdisc simulator runs that give a solid launch angle baseline 👍
Will watch tomorrow morning! Good night 😴
hope you have a good night too!
For me dipping the shoulder down and front causes elbow to keep up during throw and prevent rounding. Very happy to see and hear this being told to wider audience and confirm right what I've been doing🎉 maybe.
I hope you people can recognize true knowledge when you hear it. Nick is offering some of the most helpful advice here you can hope for without paying a coach. Nick, you are the man.
@@ltk5275 that’s super nice of you to say JP, thank you man!
Love you videos!! I’d love to get a complete breakdown of that Barela standstill. What is his body doing. And also I wanna hear more about what you’re feeling in your body. That cue regarding pulling through the armpit is super helpful to understand what you’re looking to feel
👍 got it!
i grip the disc without my thumb "at first" placing it in my hand in a nose down fashion , my middle and ring finger are mainly on the rim but slightly on the plate too , my index finger is doing nothing atm , my pinky i straighten out onto the plate of the disc which locks in that nose down angle , i then gently put my index finger on the plate of the disc mostly but barely on the rim too with no strength and then my thumb finds my index finger and touches it through the plate somewhat and that sounds like a lot but its naturally done in seconds now without thinking about it really..
I am 5’7" and 180 lbs, and I just want to say that I took some of your drills and advice and broke my distance record today. Backloading the grip to get the nose down eventually lead me to completely remove my pinky from my drivers. This allowed me to focus on flexing the muscles on the bottom of my forearm only throughout the throw. I then focused on a full "reach back," while keeping the elbow out and pulling through the arm pit. I launched several shots over 540. But my new record is 647’! Now on to 700+"! Thank you for sharing all your tips! #shortguyscanthrowfartoo
@@phatomskater that’s incredible! You are absolutely bombing it man, keep up the good work
Thanks for the video.
Having a clear disc to demonstrate finger placement, could be beneficial.
good idea!
"Back loading" is something I've started doing more from experimenting with grip over months too.
I've never made the connection of tension in those muscles help aid to keep the wrist down.
I have been applying more pressure with my ring and middle, I've had instances of applying too much with my pinky actually causing grip locks... But maybe I should try lifting pressure off my middle and apply more with my ring for more nose down consistency?
The other question. Have you noticed differences on spin rate depending on which finger is applying the most grip pressure?
I have not personally seen a difference in spin purely from grip pressure location (provided my index finger is still hooking the disc properly at the release point). However, the back finger only grip (used on the 1-legs) will reduce spin since the index finger is not involved at all.
14:00 i feel like when you coil notice how your head stays in one spot.. i realized that awhile back and reminds me of when someone holds up a chicken and rotates the body of the chicken but the head always stays looking forward never moving haha
haha that is interesting looking, it's amazing how much the human body can keep the head centered
Subscribed. You sound like you know your business. Side note, a film style diffused flood light would add to the viewing experience
@@Tsxtasy1 thank you! I usually shoot outdoors but we had some weather issues so I tried to use golden hour light through the window which ended up being far too intense and inconsistent, hopefully one day I can invest in some good artificial lighting gear 👍
Yea man, this was a sweet video. Thank you!
glad to hear it and you're welcome!
Great video! For what it’s worth, Eagle’s last name is pronounced “Mick-Man”. But as for the content, still working on getting the actual speed up! I’ve got the spin and nose angle basically where I want, but increasing the actual speed itself is just the difficulty currently.
@@vidathan haha I noticed that I over enunciated the heck of his name when I was editing the vid, my mind must’ve been in super technical explanation mode. Noted on the vid idea 👍
Thank you for the nose + launch = ~6 !!!!
👍 you're welcome!
Outstanding! 💪
I can do the first 2 drills but once I add the first 2 fingers back on it goes nose up again. I might need to work on flexibility
@@eh4241 this is fairly common at first, if you continue feeling the good sensations of those nose-down back finger only throws, you’ll eventually be able to do it with the full grip!
Hey amazing video! I love the drill with segmenting from one leg to full x step, I caught ur video a while back and did this drill before a round and felt a bit more consistency. I had a really big question with this though, I noticed a snap and release consistency in my grip when i started FRONT loading, not back loading, and I would feel the disc rip off of my index finger, that got me to a consistent golf line around 375. Any thoughts on front vs backloading and why you prefer back? If its a night/day type of thing it might be worth it for me to drill some of it, I personally gravitated towards a front loaded grip, and i fan grip up to 10 speeds, switch to power. Its very interesting to hear you say you backload but still feel the front snap/hook. Thanks!
edit: for clarification, I am gripping the entire disc at around 70-85% strength, but definitely leaning towards gripping harder on the front 3 fingers
Thank you for watching! There's a lot of individuality about the perceived front loading vs. back loading, so it's possible you are getting more snap because the index and thumb are hooking the disc better for that final pivot before release.
If you can do that and maintain good nose angle then it's a perfect mixture of clamping pressure at different times of the throw. Some people maintain ulnar deviation and humerus internal rotation (high elbow) with lots of frontloading 👍
You know of any reason why I can do the first three steps with CRAZYYY nose down but as soon as I add in the one step, X step, or any kind of power the nose pops right back up to 4+ deg???
This is super common so no stress. It usually can be any of these things or a combination of multiple:
-Reachback creeps up from body dropping into brace on one-step or x-step, causing swoopy pullthrough and elbow drop
-Shoulders rotate too fast for arm to keep up with, causing shallow pocket and elbow drop (and potentially death grip induced radial deviation)
-Back fingers aren't yet adjusted to the grip demands of one-steps and x-steps
if i turn the key the disc turns into a roller every time haha
I feel you! I've had that happen to me too
You had mentioned the pull through armpit before and that cue has helped me and so many other people I play with. Basically gained 40 feet from that if not more.
Wow, it's great to hear that cue was a home run for you and your friends!
So regarding grip pressure direction- given top of disc is “up” and rim is “in”- what do you find for performance results if squeezing the fingers “in” rather than “up”? Is there a difference in spin or control of angle? Some of the lessons in a popular training program specify this difference but do not go beyond “do it this way”. Considering physiological differences, injuries, mobility concerns, etc some grips may naturally drift toward or away from certain subtleties and I am curious if it can be a distinction without a difference, or if there is a specific application for direction of grip pressure.
Great question, I like to feel a blend of the "up" and "in" squeeze from those back fingers, with the index finger acting more as a light hook in the "in" direction 👍
Do you throw max distance with back loaded grip? should people adapt to more front loading after getting the nose andle corrected with this drill. Seems most resources recommend front loafing for distance shots.
Would be happy to see video and your thoughts on how to train the "tug" where disc pivots around index finger and accelerates.
I am still experimenting with it but for now, I am backloading everything to make sure my nose angle habits maintain in the near term.
I've noticed that perceived frontloading vs. backloading pressure varies a lot from person to person, but when throwing at our power limit we all likely use strong clamping of all 4 fingers at the end of the throw. The important thing is to maintain ulnar deviation and internal rotation of the humerus at release 👍
Amazing! All my problem fixed by one simple trick! Disc gold coaches hates him!
@@discbole 😂 those memes always make me lol
What causes the audible "snap" on some drives and not others?
when you say you like to pull through your arm pit i prefer to pull through my elbow if that makes sense
yes, thate elbow thing is really good way of thinking about it too. Another good one is Clint's "get the disc inside your body" cue which works for many people
is it better to practice back loading with a high speed disc or something like a 7 speed?
@@noahturnbull8077 it depends on the person so I’d experiment with it and see what gives you the left flights 👍 generally higher speed discs will be more nose angle sensitive
One question does form really matter? I have noticed most people who throw 400 throw with 60+ mph arm speed
Absolutely, mechanically efficient form allows someone to reach their athletic potential with arm speed which in turn will maximize how far they throw 👍
who is the Clint you are referring to? And, wow, the Techdisc is $300?
@@lancebennett8721 his channel is “BlitzDG” 👍
Do you have the full video of Barela throwing in the net?
I think Joonas or coach Chris Taylor recorded it so if I do a full analysis, I'll grab the full video of AB and KK and make sure to give credit to those coaches 👍
@@NickKrush.DGandFit Please do. That needs to be declassified. The people have a right to know.
@@AxisDiscPowers haha, agreed!
@@NickKrush.DGandFit let us say that is 79 on a one step with radar. That still putts me in my place so hard. That is 30% more power than I van generate.. why? Being young...no I don't think that is it. There is finesse.
You agree?
@@AxisDiscPowers absolutely, a lot of skill and amazing technique involved in how he throws!
what if I don't own a tech disc?
You can look for indicators of positive nose angle from the way discs are flying such as air bouncing, flying more overstable than the flight numbers suggest, or even a nose-up attitude on a side view video.
If you start throwing more nose down you'll notice your discs turn more and will usually have more forward penetration during the fade portion of flight.
I'm surprised to hear that target nose angle is -2 to -5 deg. I always assumed "nose down" was an overcorrection for a target close to 0, simply equal to launch angle. Curious why negative, aerodynamically, would be optimal because it seems like you would be *pushing* the top of the disc, creating drag (i.e. as opposed to minimal drag profile)
I give an explanation for the nose down physics at 2:37 into this video:
th-cam.com/video/GlYIO6Nv2Ak/w-d-xo.htmlsi=52WW2_-p6YwjyFEr&t=157
Just in case that link doesn't work I'll give a quick summary:
-Descent rate increases during the latter portion of flight
-This causes angle of attack (nose angle) to increase substantially
-This substantially increases drag and the leftward gyroscopic precession (fade), which decreases lift
-By throwing mildly nose down at release, we cause a slight decrease in lift and slight increase in drag initially
-But, because it drastically minimizes the positive nose angle later in flight, it produces the best aggregate aero conditions over the entirety of the flight
Hi Nick, Any recommendations on how to strengthen your back fingers grip strength? Have you tried those grippers for individual fingers? I'm curious if they work or if dumbbell finger rolls work better for this.
I like bloodflow/tissue remodeling exercises (high rep finger rolls with back finger emphasis) combined with raw horsepower exercises (short duration max iso back finger disc holds) to make sure the fingers are staying healthy as we increase their max force capacity 👍
@NickKrush.DGandFit Perfect! Do you think a climbers finger hangingboard would work for max iso exercises?
@@CS-Bothe 👍 you’re welcome, and yes the fingerboard would be great for that especially if doing a mix of front finger and back finger for both half crimp and full crimps!
Would love to see a barela form breakdown
👍 good idea, I'll add it to my vid ideas list!
Awesome!!
Will backhand be next?
I may not fully understand, what specifically about the backhand are you wondering about?
Mc may Han