MAS 49/56 to 500yds: Practical Accuracy feat. Forgotten Weapons / Ian McCollum
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The MAS 49/56 was the final iteration of the self-loading 7.5x54mm main infantry rifle to the post-war French forces.
The MAS 49/56's direct impingement gas system design pre-dates the AR15 by decades (which the AR15 is not a true DI system, it is an "internal piston"), and was a deliberate design that had a mind for mass manufacturing, easy field maintenance and reliability in adverse locations.
Further, while many NATO countries may not understand the logic behind the 7.5 French cartridge, Henry and Ian delve into this in context of military deployment, and why the 7.5 French was a decent round for it's intended purposes.
Today, the MAS 49/56 still makes its rounds in Syria, the Middle East and many parts of Africa, but what should one expect from it's performance?
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Distance Conversions:
150y - 137m
200y - 182m
250y - 229m
300y - 274m
350y - 320m
400y - 366m
450y - 411m
500y - 457m
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Thanks to Ian for the excellent and informative session.
Quick point of business: Since we're sure we might get a comment or two questioning the first hit at 500, please take a look 5:19-5:22. You'll notice at the bottom of the right target leg, the shadow of the plate which is clearly moving from the impact.
Windy conditions like that would interfere with the performance of the rifle , but I'm sure the MAS 49/56 is a system that takes some getting used to. Otherwise, I can imagine it would perform much better.
Was this Ian's rifle? By the way the new image stabilization is good to go. Good job
@@ROOSTER333 i was lucky enough to find this one earlier last year :)
@@9HoleReviews hell yeah awesome! Very cool rifle
Camera stability is excellent!
Having Ian aka Gun jesus there to watch & move the projectile in your favor?
Priceless!
Someone:Talks about a French gun
GUN JESUS:BONJOUR
Ian on vacation on france : "Bonjour ! comment allez vous ? ou se trouve le musée sur les armes le plus proche s'il vous plait ?"
Bonjourrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! ~ Grounds Keep Willie
"Hmmmmm...Je sens une perturbation dans La Force...."
I felt a great disturbance in le force.
Me walking in with my French made Mosin: *Bon-Jorno.*
Ian's mother: Remember what I told you.
Ian: Don't get into strangers cars just because they offer you french guns and ammo.
😂😂
Ian's mother: "When they say they have something 7.5 long for you, they don't mean cartridges!"
@@MongooseTacticool Ooooof
Foiled again
@Jordan Winders "Will do unspeakable things for obscure French ammo!"
14:58 That scope handover is the stuff of legend, especially how y'all did it with such straight faces
When Gun Jesus wills it, it will be made so.
What do you mean, they simply handed over an item. Why would it be funny?
Very nice video! Thank you for posting guys!
Hope you enjoyed our explanation on the Soviet vs NATO arsenal ;)
@@9HoleReviews it was....impressive in so many ways
Whe comparing the bullet design to service life of the barrel. I like how the 7.62x39 was listed as infinite. lol
@@cameronboyce4695 AKM be like
live longer than a lot of lmgs and mmgs
@@chadhaire1711 ...REALLY? Not judging people much are you?! Leave chump...
The stabilized image is pretty neat, you can see the vapor trails...
As someone who watches these on a phone, I can finally enjoy the spotting footage.
They should stabilize all their footage. Much more enjoyable.
Same. Much more enjoyable to watch
It's actually way better. Had no idea it would do that but it's really cool
Never seen the rounds looping in like that on footage before. Amazing
Just because it's a forgotten weapon doesn't mean it can't reach out and touch you. Edit: the vapor trails at 400yds are sick.
Were those more noticeable because of the image stabilization or from the ammo itself? It was fun to watch either way.
@@Jerubarbaruah It's more likely because of the humidity in Texas. its usually 80% or higher.
Lets review a french rifle:
Step 1. Choose which one
Step 2. "Hello Ian"
Why didn’t they show the 31 -> 33 slam fire?
Henry: “I HAVE TWO DOGS”
The interview with Ian is hilarious, especially passing the scopes through the webcam.
Amazzzzing .... :/
Could listen to these two talk guns for hours!
Behold the power of Gun Jesus!
They didn't really pass anything through the camera. They just both have the same acope
@@joemo1033 you are one heck of a genius
Henry : So I was able to find some 7.5 Frenc-
Ian : *Bonjour*
"They said they already got a .30 service cartridge."
This is God tier reference to a classic
"Can we come up and have a look?"
*"Of course not! You are English-types!"*
"Well what are you, then?"
*"I'M FRENCH!"*
”FETCHEZ LA VACHE!”
I dakka in your general direction!
@@moosemaimer
Why do you think I have this outrageous accent?
As someone almost entirely unfamiliar with the MAS 49/56, I'm impressed with it. Any service rifle that can send it accurately out to 350m is fine with me.
It was my first rifle in the french army. It was quite fun to shoot with!
I agree. We tend to forget how small a real target (an enemy acting just slightly sensible and tactial (lying prone and trying to not get shot)) is at 350 meters (~400 yards) and how much training it takes to hit such targets while perhaps being shot at yourself.
There is a significant and marked difference between firing a rifle on a range, having all the time you need and no risk to yourself, and using the same rifle as a weapon in war.
As a swiss, I thought that 300m was standard for a service rifle
@@zeta1593 300m is very much the standard for rifles of that era, it really wasn't until the 70s that some countries expected accuracy out to 500 meters or greater.
Henry : For the glory of the Republic
French nobility : **sweats nervously**
Allons enfants de la Patrie le fusil de gloire est arrivé
In 2021 the french bourgeoisie yells "République !"
You mean nobility.
The bourgeoisie was behind the revolution.
Yes the bourgeoisie had the money but not the power. The aristocracy had the power not the money. The bourgeoisie decided to take it all in 1789
Numerous provincial lower aristocrats fought and died in the armies of the 1st Republic and 1st Empire (Napoleon I). A good number volunteered under a modified name and got battlefield commissions up to general rank, like Antoine de Lassalle.
I known it was a bit of a fluke but I'm liking the new stabilized obs video as you can track the shot in flight
Same, i just realized the vapor trails, looks dope as hell
Same honestly.
Yes. Please keep doing this.
Also liked the bullet trace very much. From watching that it was very clear Henry hit the 500 yd gong on the second last shot. The scope and camera was set up very well to allow us to see rthe bullet trace very consistently. It was there for each shot. Excellent scope and camera work, much appreciated.
Some of the visual gags in this are amazing. The rifle wiafus, Ian "handing" Henry the scope, just amazing
That scene made my day, that's for sure~
I am soooo happy to see others, like Henry, confirm through demonstration how well French rifles actually perform and are engineered for performance.
Bullet trails are impressive in this one.
Ya they are very distinct I practically could follow where every shot landed kinda freaky in all honesty haha
Sadly, I love this channel so much that I dug in a 450 yd sniper range at my acreage. I added a double decker platform at one end. And now I’m buying rifles of different calibers and scopes to go with them.
And one of my rifles is an M39 lol
"someone's talking about french rifles,...." OMG hot coffee out the nose 😂😂😂
Now I know how to summon Gun Jesus on command.
Image stabilization is a win here, maybe not a mistake after all
"Happy little accidents."
LOL That thumbnail is magnificently glorious
When that cosmoline hits...
The reason I am watching the entire video
POV: when you secure a reliable provider for 32 french long ammo
The animated Ian got me lol
The bit about Ian simply sensing a French rifle being used gets this video a like.
Ian is so underrated in the gun community it’s sad. Kid is like all the old guys that taught me guns. But in a young form. Hell do a lot for the gun community in his time.
Well.. He just did an interview with the guy who founded the GIGN on the reasons why they chose the MR73 (and a ton of other cool factoids about GIGN's training regime). So he's certainly starting to get the recognition he deserves. The guy is 78 years old now, so I doubt he just comes running for the asking of an average Joe.
Is Ian really underrated though? I thought he's, like, a legend among firearm historians
And is so versed in Fudd Lore that he will beat you over the head with a bayonet when you're wrong.
I would hardly call Ian from forgotten weapons underrated. Even two years ago he was very well known.
Underrated? Maybe 12 years ago, when the TH-cam channel was just to supplement his articles on the website
Since when did the Russians start deploying blonde female Anime characters as machine gunners? Was that Putin’s idea? He’s a sly one that Vladimir.
Not as sly as the IDF cat girls...
Where you saw that?
@@ommsterlitz1805 search uppotte!
@@aceman1126 there's also Girls' frontline, the mobile game, with kinda similar naming convention.
Apparently, Putin is a man of culture... 🤷🏻♂️
I love how you can see the vapor trail on the stabilized video
Hi, in the mid 80's during my first two month instruction in the french army I had the occasion to shoot a lot with the mas 49/56. As far as I remember, the gun was very precise at 200m, with more than decent grouping. Grouping at 400m were inconsistent for average shooters (such as me), but some could make a very good job with it. The gun at this distance was a kind of snipping talent early detection.
But it was clearly not meant for long distance shooting with the original iron sights. It was meant to be a day to day infantery rifle. More or less as Famas was. I don't remember shooting with it at more than 200m.
Anyway thanks to both of you for this nice video.
Combat rifle, combatvrange, 2-300 meters. When I did my military service with the Famas, the normal training distances for the average soldier were 25m and 50m with close quarter sights, and 200m prone.
Same here préparation militaire avec le 49/56 puis service avec Famas.
I've finally come to the video that folks have been PMing me about~
That said, what an enlightening collab between two great minds in the firearms sphere. Much to learn from Henry and Ian as always, their content has always been top-notch, educational, and inspiring to me as an illustrator and a firearms enthusiast. Thanks for the quality content, and for the pleasant surprise of my artwork getting a quick feature. I really do appreciate that!
I like your art, pretty good.
These two are awesome intelligent ballistic conversations.
hahaha. i cannot fully express how much i loved the scope passing bit.
I like how the bigger challenge is not shooting ironsights through winds to "long" distances but converting metrics to imperials.
Years ago I traded out an Iver Johnson M1 Carbine for a MAS 49/56, MAS 36 rechambered in .308 and a Type 99 Arisaka with Mum, dust cover, and monopod.
The guy wanted to get rid of his "foreign crap".
I made out on that deal years later like a MF.
With the Chrysanthemum? Wow
The bowshock trailing off the shots at the 400yd line was amazing!
As usual, Henry is a fantastic shot handling all that wind
This new spotting stabilization camera looks dope. We can actually see the vapor trails now
The image isn't as crisp when it's digitally stabilized, but you I feel like you can see the vapor trail and bullet trajectory better. Weird! Call it a happy little accident?
Henry never ceases to impress with his ability to accurately shoot with such varied weapon systems. Different sights, loads, actions...doesn't matter. Much respect.
The casual nature with which you passed the scope back and forth without hesitation or cracking a smile is just fantastic.
The FM 24/29 behind Ian is such a cool gun, one of the most iconic French firearms of the 20th century
Absolute perfection. The intro, the shooting, the thumbnail. All of it
Thanks guys to both of you.
Excellent video with plenty of very nice jokes.
As a french dude who did his " Service National " 35 years ago (j'étais de la 86/12, au cas où un français lise ça), I was stationed in Germany, and this is the rifle I used during this time.
Very moved to have seen this rifle living one more time after all those years.
BTW, I was trained, briefly, to use it for grenade launching and we used a special blank cartridge to fire the grenade.
It was very powerful and we were told VERY SERIOUSLY (boot kicking the ass) to NEVER shoulder it, only, ONLY use it the butt well propped on the ground and secured with the boot.
Anyway, thanks a lot one more time.
Mille mercis depuis le pays du vin et des fromages.
👍😉
La 88/12 du 35 de Belfort de salut l'ami.😉
For me, guy for whom the english language isn't a native language, I still understood almost everything what was said and extremely enjoyed discussion after the shooting part. Very interresting. More over, I really like both of these guys and thsi collab was very good.
One more wish: Henry, keep using post production stabilization since now. The video result is great and was really enjoyable to see the trajectory of the projectile before it hit the target. 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Wish you all the best and looking forward to watch every new video:)
It's super cool you got Ian McCollum and Forgotten Weapons got together for this one.
Wow, we can pass things through video calls now... man technology has come so far from Netscape
no , only gun jesus can do this
@@gamesandsoftwares1441 15:25 Henry: allow me to introduce myself.
@@WayStedYou yh bcz gun jesus gave it to him
Love the cross overs / collaborations with Forgotten Weapons - two of the top channels for enthusiasts.
I once had to drive 2 trucks full of them from a French base to another 25 years ago. At first glance and after weighting and looking at them by all angles, these rifles gave me a real impression of sturdiness and simplicity. Much more than the famas I was issued with.
The French military has been extreamly underrated by many Americans. France wouldn't be the largest European country, if it couldn't defend its borders. The French are quite tuff. Their Military equipment is very well thought out.
Russia and Ukraina: "A Hy?"
@@Mortablunt France is bigger than Ukraine and Russia is an Asian country for the most part
Did you know that because french republic empire collection of island they have the largest EEZ, and share a border with canada, surround madagascar, with little bit portion of south america. These people are French citizen and use euro.
@@romain45 Eurasian, buts that's mainly Siberia
Good. Then they can start pulling their weight in Ukraine
I really loved the stabilized footage. It made it so easy to see the vapor trails and impacts. I would love to see more stabilized footage when stretching out to slightly longer ranges.
Really like the stabilized image. Should do that everytime. Cool being able to follow the flight path
Since we had this lovely direct impingement rifle run the course, it's about damn time an AG-42 does its thing... Unless you get a dud, the AG-42 will shock you with its accuracy.
It would be interesting to see how the MAS 36 stacks up against the semi auto.
Combloc rolls out the weeb fan service @12:04 and still doesn't hold a candle to French magnifique short shorts @11:25
I've been hoping for a MAS 36 video on this channel for a looong time
Dude I didn’t even notice the machine gunner changed
Same
Frf1 is basically an accurised mas 36 with a pistol grip and a scope. But yea the mas 36 it's a beauty and it's mine.
Lol I saw plenty of those shorts while I was with the French in Niger.
That was a great video! Having Ian participating really helped the “ballistically challenged” of us, understand the intricacies of a complex subject.
Thanks for putting the video up.
You and Ian are a great match. I really hope there are more collaborations coming up! Perfect to see the weapon in action then hear all about it
I owned a 49/56 for a number of years. Bought it at a gun show because I knew nothing about it.
Absolutely one of my favorite rifles to own and especially to shoot. Used it as my deer rifle for a number of those years too.
Holy shit the thumbnail art is hilarious.
I love watching the trace at 400. Thats so cool.
The fact that you we're able to hit the targets with nothing but iron sights is absolutely incredible.
Henry and Ian, I love and enjoy both your channels. I was a USN Gunner's mate and I always enjoy and am humbled by your must greater trigger time with the long guns than I had during my four years active duty (87-91.) The bulk of my trigger time was on the Mk33, 3inch 50 twin gun turret so I'm always humbled and impressed by your knowledge and skill. Cheers guy! Keep the great content coming. :)
Merci a Henry et Ian pour cette super vidéo 😉 🤙
Henry and Ian in a awesome episode, thank you so much guys. Keep up this great team with more french guns to see ! Greetings from France
never imagined i would spend 20mins to watch talking about advantages of ammo, nice work guys
I used to be a French conscrit in 1988-1989 (still the cold war organisation) and made my 2-months instruction with a 49/56. As guns are nearly forbidden for civilians in France, at 23, I didn't know how to shoot with anything at my arrival 8°
My 49/56 could reach the center of the target at 400m, if I was attentive and calm, but most of the time, we used to shorten the firing lessons and trainings at 300m.
When we each got a Famas, we discovered it was shooting well at 300m and no more. My lieutenant, a cultured and engaged Saint-Cyr officer, explained me that most of the conscrits did not shoot so much nor shoot so often at more than 300m...
I was then instructed as a "light weapon mechanic" (mécanicien d'armement de petit calibre, under 20mm) and fixed numerous Famas, especialy when they were coming back from commando trainings.... But I fixed nearly no 4956 and only through very simple process :D
4956 was such an agreable gun to fire with! Of course I loved Famas "ma mobylette" as we nicknamed it
but the good ol' 4956 was so cool!
My advises:
- don't forget to oil and oil the canon of your 4956, especialy if you don't fire too often with it ;)
- don't put sand in it, or the mechanic I was could wake up suddenly to bark on you :D
That scope hando-off at 14:55 actually confused me for a second lol. Great video and good shots considering the wind conditions.
I think he has the same microphone that Ian sometimes uses, the one that’s made at the khyber pass
I made those for them.
Absolutely love this rifle. I have had one for a few years and with 135Grn flat base bullets loaded to a similar velocity as their service round... spooky accurate.
Forgotten weapons, 9-hole reviews, and C&Rsenal have become my favorite gun channels. Collaboration between them always makes my day.
That's a damn good group, can you imagine any of them comparing R54 and Swedish 6.5?
Please stabilize all the videos in the future! It's so much more enjoyable to watch
Wow. My favourite cooking channels and you guys, all uploading in the span of cooking dinner and eating it too. Great timing
The thumbnail is a pure work of art only Napoleon himself would approve of and belong worthy of its own exhibit in The Louvre . A roast heartier and hefty than the finest roast Duck l'Orange . A toast and cheers is in order, crack the finest Champagne and Cognac.
The corrected target view gives we the viewers more information about the shots, nice touch.
I do love the relationship you guys have with forgotten weapons and Ian
14:55 i had to double take what just happened lmao
I loved that bit
Gallic sorcery
Black magic, black powder magic !
That beginning of the debrief truly is the reason Ian is Gun Jesus. The ability to know all about anything thats happening with a firearm anywhere.
The MAS 49/56 was my rifle when serving in the French Alpine Troops (27 BCA) as well as the Parabellum 9mm.
We were assigned one rifle and had to customize the sight and scope to our vision. We spent hours at the range until we manage to hit 80% hit at each distance. Some guys managed to hit at 600m 20% of the time.
As usual, amazing video to watch for entertainment whilst also learning something. Thank you.
Although it was technically a mistake, the post processing image stabilisation is amazing and if it's not too much work (I don't do video editing so I'm not sure on this) it would be awesome to see it used more.
If anything this is an amazing display of tech to use with shooting. Good job, I like this
I have a 49/56, and I think its the cats pajamas. While it isn't a long range precision rifle at 200 meters I can knock a golf ball all over the place. I put a SK scope mount on mine. The scope is a Vortex 1x4 Viper. I added a spring loaded firing pin and its a very enjoyable blaster . It never malfunctions. and with 150 grain reloads its accurate . I won't fight for gangsters and I'm
too old for the military anyway, but if I were a combat soldier in the era that rifle was used which I'm not. I believe I would have lots of confidence in it.
Wow, I just want to say that this was awesome guys! I've had my MAS 49/56 for about a year now and I've just been fascinated by it since. I did replace the firing pin with a titanium one before I shot it and haven't had a slam fire as of yet.
The ammo issue you talk about with the old surplus VS PPU is all too true. It plagued me early on with short cycling issues and a bent lip on a magazine. After I sorted it out, I used only PPU and have had zero issues. Yes, While PPU isn't the best, it does run very well in the MAS 49/56.
I love the sight picture and ergonomics but im surprised that you didn't mention anything about the trigger! A great military style trigger, though a little heavy in the pull, the break is clean and light - well on mine at least.
Great video & thank you guys! I'll be taking it to the range this Sunday I hope. Try to put a good grouping down in celebration of this video. I mean I've only been asking for this for like 11 months now 😂
Side note: Those scopes were like $500 last year and I slept on it...regretting not getting it later when I saw it over $1000 😭
it is nice to see Gun Jesus support Gun Sun-Tzu
I absolutely love seeing the trace, this is shot tracker in golf but for real sports 😂. As always Great job on the glass and on the trigger. Teamwork.
Half the fun of watching Ian is watching Ian have fun...😎
It was fascinating to see the bullets' wakes as they sailed downrange
Lastly, thanks for explaining the bore wear issue with the 6.5; I wondered what was up.
I almost bought one of these when I was younger. Found one in a local gun store in Wisconsin in the late 90s/early 2000s. Always wondered if it would have made an interesting deer rifle.
It wouldn't have been a bad choice if you could get decent hunting loads for it. I heard of people who hunt with old M1 Garands and Mosins.
This was FASCINATIBG and lots of fun ... loved the passing over of the scope, seamlessly done guys!!
Thanks so much for sharing, really enjoyed this video - would be interested in more of this content!!
Take care guys!
Ian's ears perk up like a lab hearing a can opener when it involves French rifles! 😀
I really like the stabilized footage. It's great to see the trail from the bullet. Easier to spot where shots are hitting too.
You guys should stabilise the footage all the time. The clarity it provides is actually really great.
I'm not sure I've EVER clicked on a video because of the thumbnail alone... until now.
Image stabilisation looks beautiful. Can see the bullet go brrrrrrrrrr
Lmao that Ian drawing in the thumb is spot on.
When Ian has a super French kawai moment.
You guys are awesome. I just bought one, it has not arrived yet, but I am the kind that knew I had to have the APX L806 scope as I learned after the fact! LOL! So, I found one that cost more than twice what I paid for the rifle. I have a great feeling about both purchases! Thank you, guys! The last time I broke down and paid more for a scope than my rifle was a Trijicon. I don't know why that is so hard for me? :)
now i want the famas , the mas 38 , the bertier , the lebel and the gras !
take a look at this if you re looking for all you want www.armurerie-grand-est.fr/recherche.php?q=mas :)
Gras to 500 yards? You need either a ton of ammo or a 6 foot x 6 foot target.
Would love to see Henry's take on the FAMAS.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 well henry manage to do it with the martini henry english rifle
I'm assuming we're building up to the Famas, right?
Wow. GREAT Review, guys. Thank you, Thank you for taking the time on this.
Henry, great shooting! and Ian, great calls and presentation. I can listen you guys all day. Great humor, great history, great education! You confirmed some of my speculations; and, I learned SO much more! IAN, your comment early on with regards to the MAS sight .... and being able to pick up your target quicker...was my biggest gripe about my service weapons. Particularly since we were operating so often in low light/ windy/ dusty/ crappy conditions with iron sights (Army 2nd RGR Bn). I am so glad you guys did this in the windy conditions. That is exactly what I want to see. Henry, I liked being able to see the quick adjustments you were making with the sights! Man, I would have loved to have been able to do that with my rifle.
I tuned in to learn a bit about the MAS. In the service, I learned AR, M14, and AK platforms. Many years (and many donuts) later; I became familiar with my first M1 Garand from the CMP. My father had one in Korea, and I wanted to see what he had to deal with. Later, I had hoped for an M14, but they are just too expensive for me. I discovered the MAS only recently, online; and, it seemed to answer all the 'wants' I had yearned for while in the service ('88 -'93). You both hit on all the performance and maintenance points about which I was curious...and answered much more! I wanted one of these before watching this video; and, now you guys really put the bug in me to get one. I hate you both. Ok. I'm over it. See you on the next review :)
I would love to see a head to head with Karl and his Kar 98 and Henry with the rifle of his choice, and Ian giving the play by play. Awesome stuff gentlemen!
You guys have been slowly taking up the slot I'd reserve for inrange tv, and I'm fine with that.
Inrange still has some fun stuff but i miss the old gun run and guns and cool ammo tests and mud and dust tests.
@@WastelandArmorer Can't have great InRangeTV without some Ian in it
Ian supplying you with French rifles is fantastic. FAMAS soon?
Ian feels in his heart when someone fires a MAS rifle.
really enjoyed the debrief between you two. could you get him to come back at least a few more times. Having all three of you would be fantastic.
Interesting point about projectile length and barrel life. Makes me wonder about the super long bullet CETME 7.92x41mm experiments and if barrel wear was a big problem. Wasnt mentioned in FW's video on it.
Particularly the aluminum jacket and its interaction with the barrel rifling.
@@carldehaven7672It was an aluminium core and copper band/jacket so I think it was still conventional in it's engagement at least.
@@UberMax23 Yeah, sorry about that I got it reversed. Thanks for the correction.
Personally I think it doesn’t apply. It’s entirely based on the amount of wash from the powder charge through the diameter of cartridge/barrel. Pretty much the reason a 243 Winchester barrel shooting a 70 grain Bullets with around 40 grains of powder will be gone about twice as fast as 6mm Dasher shooting 30 grains of powder with a long 107 grain bullet. Even considering the dasher will have a much faster twist rate. I believe the engraving surface of a bullet has very negligible effect on barrel life.
This was an awesome video, absolutely loved the historical and technological breakdown.
14:56 The immersion there was truly Wow Wow Wow, Wow Wow.
Best episode ever! Loved the 'passing of the scope' segments.