Horizon Insider Tech Talk: Spektrum SAFE Select Binding Procedure
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Horizon Insider Tech Talk: Spektrum SAFE Select Binding Procedure
This video covers the process involved in:
1. Binding your BNF Basic plane to any Spektrum DSMX transmitter
2. Choosing the proper switch for SAFE Select
2. The difference between binding with SAFE Select and/or AS3X only
3. How to assign SAFE to a particular switch on your transmitter
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Thanks Kyle and HH for providing great video and information about Safe Select and AS3X binding process
I just bought this plane and this video was EXTREMELY helpful !!!! Just did the maiden flight and it performed perfectly. It flies much slower than my Carbon Cub so it will work much better for my granddaughter to learn on which is the reason I bought it. Happy Camper !
I have just bought the Maule M7 and being new to RC was dreading the binding process but thanks to your very well presented demo I am now set to go. Thanks a heap.
Excellent video!!! The best video on the SAFE setup, differences between SAFE and AS3X, and the testing of SAFE and AS3X that I've found. Kudos! :)
Finally someone who explains it right so folks who did not grow up with a PC in the crib will get it to. The TX Horizon manual is hard to understand confusing at best. Who ever writes those manuals thinks that everyone knows as much as they do.
Excellent video Kyle. Thanks ever so much. Off to the garage to test my aeroplane now.
Finally ans explanation I understand. Leave it to Horizon to continue great customer support. I dinged my Valiant recently (my fault) thinking I had SAFE activated when I did not.
Thank you! I couldn’t figure out how to turn on the safe! I knew I had As3x on but it’s confirmed now it’s on!
YOU ARE MY MEN! THX - Perfect Instruction!
Wow!! finally found some accurate info! this literally saved my jet, as the directions that came with it were very short no real detail. Many thx!!!
hi my DX9 Binds to my receiver but no response from the servos , ...any clues why please...
I'm using an older DSM2 radio, I've followed the SAFE binding and switch assignment procedure (gear channel set to +/-100 end points), but there is no change when flipping the switch. I noted at the start of the video you only mentioned DSMX radios, is that why I can't use SAFE?
What a super video. I was having loads of problems trying to bind my Spektrum DX8 G2 to an E-flite Carbon Cub S with Safe. The secret was to REMOVE the bind plug from the plane BEFORE turning on the transmitter. What does it not say this anywhere else???
Thanks for the input. Your manual should state to remove the bind plug though ;).
@@horizonhobby Please look at page 11 of the DX8 G2 manual. It clearly states that the bind plug is removed last which is incorrect. It fails to bind if you follow those instructions. I would attach a screenshot but can't.
The instructions for the cub would have the correct process
Thanks for the demonstration.
I have a Taranis X9D Plus (original) with a DM9 DSM2 module. I've managed to map Safe Select to a switch on my Turbo Timber when I bought that a couple of years ago, but on my new Extra 300 I can't get it to work. It will bind correctly (control surfaces wags twice) but when I try to map it to a switch it just toggles Safe Select on, and if I try to map it to the same switch again it toggles it off. It won't let me toggle it on and off once I've mapped it to the switch. The switch is on channel 5 and the DM9 module is running at CH1-8, 22.5 ms, 400u, -
When assigning switch A on a Spektrum DX6 Transmitter, I see under Digital Switch Setup, 0= +100% and 1= -100%, maybe it's backward but still the same values. The documentation for the AS3X receiver manual states that the switch should be setup to positive (+)100% in both position 0 and 1. Which is correct?
Thanks for the video, it look like I have safe select activated, I just need to assign a switch to make it work
so my plane whit a dxs controller added wont waggel when I do the bind. but when I tip it over it reacts like safe is working. but cant change level settings. havent flown yet.
This is a great video thank you Kyle. Iv just purchased a nx6 and ordered a carbon cub s2+ I've put safe on the radio from the pre installed. Can you tell me do I just bind the plane to the radio in the safe set up please. Very sorry I'm new at this plus I'm a 64 years young and need a hubby. Thank you
My DX8 will not bind to the plane without the plug in? I can't get it in safe mode? Any suggestions?
Awesome video!! Thanks for the info. Hope this will fix my problem with the DX6i transmitter that was given to me.
This doesn’t seem to work on my aero scout.. no matter what I do it stays in safe on my spectrum DX8. I can’t even assign the switch to toggle it like you did.
Same here. Did you ever get it to work?
Not on the aero scout but other planes work fine.
I tried to assign safe select a switch for my Maule M-7, but it would not work. Any tips?
I have the e flite extra 300 and i dont have any bind plug in it and i dont know how to get safe select ( i have the bnf version)
I have a Sky Surfer from Blitz RC that I bought years ago but never flew...I have since lost the TX for it. A friend lent me an AR636A receiver to see if this old bird would fly. I can't get the RX to bind to my DXs TX that I got when I purchased an AeroScout. Can you tell me why?
My twin otter didn't come with a bind plug. Where can I get one?
Great video explanation. I have a 2019 Timber1.5... not a turbo. I am using a Spectrum DX6. I can't get my A switch to take the assignment for the mode change. I have followed the video precisely. It stays in safe. Any advice.
This is nuts. Why isn’t any of this described in my new 250CFX with SAFE technology (as opposed to SAFE Select) manual? The manual suggests that the SAFE functionality is already enabled with a designated panic button, which is a function of the transmitter model number and its associated programming page in the 250CFX manual. For example the programming page in the 250CFX manual for my DX7s indicates that the gear switch is assigned to the SAFE level and the bind button to the panic mode. But there are Three levels in the SAFE system. Why don’t the instructions call for the use of the 3 position flap switch? How does one toggle through the three levels of SAFE using the two position gear switch? Something is wrong here. Furthermore, the servos only go through an initial configuration move ONCE regardless of whether I remove the binding plug quickly or just leave it in. When I remove the binding plug quickly after initial receiver power on and attempt to select a SAFE on/off switch according to this videos instructions, nothing happens. Additionally as I stated above, the is no way to turn off SAFE. Please respond. Thank you.
The servos do attempt to correct for inverted or extreme attitude of the helicopter and the bind button does cause the servos to move wildly. But as far as which level of SAFE the model is in I have no idea. The servos move at the same rates regardless of the gear switch position.
FINALLY A VIDEO THAT IS SUPER CLEAR AND I NOW TOTALLY UNDERSTAND SAFE AND AS3X THANKS MAN!!!!
does anyone know if this is the correct procedure when binding my DX8 to my HH Trojan T-28?...thanks
Much Thanks!
You are welcome!
So much of this is bewildering to the casual flier. Turn on and bind is easy enough for most folks. Confusing procedural sequencing is just too much in my opinion.
Thanks for the info, much appreciated!!!
You are welcome!
Hm, I thought that you need to first go to chanel assign and assign the switch you want and then do the 5 clicks with the correct switch?
Hopefully someone can answer this I have the same plane in the video and have a dxs transmitter and flaps are always Down and to put them up you have to hold the bind button and when you let go they go back down how do I change that?
With a DX6 can you set up Safe Select if you have used up all 6 of the receiver outputs? (ie flaps & retracts)
I have a DX8 and try to use the B switch for safe but it will not let me, says switch is inactive but does not give me an option to activate, any help with that?
That's odd. Try emailing our Product Support team at productsupport@horizonhobby.com.
I have just purchased a PNP plane and want to instal a 6 channel Spektrum AR630 AS3X (with SAFE) receiver into it to (hopefully) bind with my DX6i radio. Will this be possible? If yes, what switch would you recommend I use?
hi everyone NEED HELP !! I have a Turbo timber 1.5 Blue the first edition, my battery is Tattu 2700 mAh 3 cell 11.1V, Radio is specktrum NX6. kinda new to this binding stuff. The problem is that the plane flies like a gentle lady at full throttle, barely able to keep it in the air which is quite frustrating hence the term Turbo does not apply at all here. Reading the manual seems to point to a binding problem. My next ques. Are there two ways to bind my plan? I know about safe mode binding...kinda. will binding in safe mode (if there is such a thing) stop the motor from having full throttle? If so, it shouldn't. this should be a user decision hence throttling down! not something controlled by the radio. Also If the latter is true then how do i bind the plane so that i get full throttle. Thanks for any help or advice given. 👍😊
Why can't I assign a switch using spektrum dx8-2 trans.for safe on/off. Safe is indicated when I power up my Carbon Z-t28. and I followed your instructions. None of the switches I try to assign work. HElp
Cester, perhaps all of your channels have been mistakenly taken up already? Go to your monitor and see what switches are assigned to various functions (AUX 1, AUX 2, etc.). Sometimes, for whatever reason, you will end up with a channel being taken up by a switch that doesn't actually do anything. For example, see what switch AUX 2 is assigned to (if any). Does that switch actually control anything on the plane? If that is truly an "unused" channel, you can go to channel assign and change that switch to whatever you want SAFE Select to be. Then, perform the SAFE Select Switch Assignment procedure in the video.
Good info, thank you. Is it the same with DXs transmitter?
Thanks thanks thank you!
Is it possible to bind it with a different brand other than Spektrum? Thank you.
Can the as3x be disabled?
Thank you for the video..however I cannot for the life of me get my Spektrum DS6 work with SAFE on my A10 64mm EDF. It binds fine, and I get the "double waggle" of the control surfaces when I power the radio and model on. However in my instruction manual, it states that I must bind SAFE to the Flaps Switch D?? When turning the plane upside down with the flaps down, I get ZERO auto correction.
Any advice?
Thanks!
The problem is that you are using a 6 channel radio where you really need a 7 channel radio. To get SAFE Select to work in the A10 with a 6-channel radio, you will have to make a choice: 1. Share SAFE Select with flaps/retracts. 2. Fly with safe on 100% of the time. 3. Disable either flaps/retracts and use SAFE Select. 4. Fly in AS3X only 100% of the time.
will the dxs work with turbo timber 1.5m bnf?
The people on TH-cam are not correctly explaining that there is a difference between Safe and Safe Select so I’m having trouble clarifying if Safe Select throws are more like Safe Beginner or intermediate?
Also when plugging in the battery. When using safe select on my bnf valiant 1.3. Should I hold the tail level, or just on level ground
@@pauld5631 SAFE Select is different slightly from SAFE progressive flight modes. Only certain planes have progressive flight modes (typically trainers). Everything else comes with SAFE Select. SAFE Select throws will be closer to "intermediate" mode.
@@pauld5631 The Valiant can be left with the tail sitting on the ground.
Of course it helped everyone else. Lol, trying to bind my new dx6e to my apprentice sts with safe, i had to go by a plug. I followed your steps. Everything starts flashing and transmitter says binding then tells me the protocol type. Surfaces move once like it engaged then nothing. Nothing at all. Lol . Like its not bound. I've tried like 10 times following the instructions from multiple sources. Frustrating i just want to fly my plane with my new transmitter.
Does this work on a AR6335 receiver as well
Please tell me if I can hook pwm to my AR636 receiver
THANK YOU ,NOW I KNOW.
y yo. se entiende sin saber Ingles. Gracias.
so i have a umx glider and instead of blinking red it just lights up solid red for a split second and shuts off... would you happen to know what might cause this? and how i can fix this issue so i can go fly it? thanks in advance hope your staying safe.. god bless
-p3t3r
For the Safe/AS3X receivers already installed in the plane, is it possible to turn AS3X off?
Yes using the as3x programmer app and Spektrum bluetooth SPML1017 adapter plugged into the data port on the RX. I have done it at the filed for some people. Just make the gains 0.
Why not just have it all bind at once? Three position switch (Safe, AS3X Low Rates & AS3X High Rates)
Thank you very helpful.
Please pin this comment for people as frustrated as I was to be able to find the solution....
I was so frustrated for a long time because I couldn't get the reassign to work. Then I finally found a post on rc groups that solved my issue:
Next, make sure your transmitter is on HIGH RATES. The special stick movement you need to put the receiver in the switch learning mode won't work on low rates. You can go back to low rates after you're done with this process.
We mention confirming that you are seeing 100% travel in the video...
Hi, i am trying to bind a ar636 with AS3X file installed from Cessna Z 150 and dx9 black edition with the corresponding file for cessna (taken from dx9 BE download menu from spektrum). However, cannot assign SAFE switch. I have checked trows are 100% SAFE switch A is assigned to AUX2. Can you please help?
Do the control surfaces "wag" twice when the plane initializes?
@@horizonhobby Thanks for getting back. Yes, its responding, wagging twice. Just now i used the Viper 70mm as3x setting and bound to my dx9 and could assign the safe switch. However, i have changed the gains (ABS) to zero for all control surfaces since the plane was shaky. I am flying a CJ6 nanchang 1100mm. I just copied the carbon z cessna progrm to viper. Is this ok? Is there a way i can email you?
@@src2920 email us at productsupport@horizonhobby.com.
I just bought a receiver out of a turbo Timber from a distributor in St Paul Minnesota off of eBay. I asked him if this receiver could be used in a durafly tundra and he told me yes. When I hook the receiver up everything was backwards to my dismay. I did some investigating and looked for some other videos on TH-cam of other pilots putting these AS3x safe receivers in other planes and saw in the comments that Horizon Hobby said that they would not work in other aircraft. It infuriates me that an unscrupulous dealer is pulling these receivers out of these planes and then selling them on eBay telling people that they will work in other aircraft
I am disabled! Whatever I buy, it takes time for me to save up to get these things. Very disappointed that I was misled.
I guess I'll save up now and buy a plug-and-play turbo Timber! I should have known better!!!!
No they will not work unless you invest in the programming pig tail and know how to do programming for these receivers. You can buy a programmable receiver now from Horizon but honestly, you are better off investing in an Eagle system if you are looking for a stability system that works. I dont have the the Horizon receiver number for the programmable receiver. Google it. Sorry you got scammed. I found out the Hard way with an Apprentice receiver, it doesnt work in the Maule.
I bought the programming cord and installed the software onto the receiver and everything worked great. I ended up putting the receiver into my Valiant and it works very well!
THIS DOES NOT WORK WITH DXE.....FAIL
I'm using an older DSM2 radio, I've followed the SAFE binding and switch assignment procedure (gear channel set to +/-100 end points), but there is no change when flipping the switch. I noted at the start of the video you only mentioned DSMX radios, is that why I can't use SAFE?
Great info.. I think Horizon should include a servo extender like shown so you can bind from the battery compartment...
The Aero Sport S does just that
You can always add an extension lead at any time. .
What a very useful video. Thank you!
This was an outstanding video with easy to follow step by step instructions! Especially important were the checks to ensure that AS3X technology and SAFE Select are both active and working. The aircraft and transmitter instructions fall way short on providing adequate instructions to properly bind the aircraft to the transmitter.
Thanks for the feedback ;). - Kyle
This video is a very good primer, but it is NOT for the newer Forward Programmable (FP) Rxs. It's for the AR636 and possibly the AR6335, NOT the AR637T and other SRXL2 SAFE Rxs. I know this video came out before the SRXL2 Rxs came out.
That "A" switch is the one most pilots I know use for retracts. So I use Switch G for my Receiver flight modes (FM) assignments. Spektrum didn't distinguish between Rx and Tx FMs. They are different and very confusing if you don't distinguish which one you're talking about. Some AR636s have a remote port available, while others do not.
I needed this! Very informative, excellent job by the guy demonstrateing. Clear voice to the point. Thank you
Is this still true for new models? I have an Apprentice with an A3230 flight controller, and it won't bind to my DX8. Does anyone have a manual for the A3230?
Brand new P 39 binds fine but won't accept a switch selection to turn off SAFE. I'm doing it right and have done this with many other planes, but this plane wont accept a switch selection so I can't turn SAFE off.
In subject matter that could be very confusing, this video was very clear. Excellent video, attempting to cover every possibility and scenario/combination. Well done. Will help me when I finally get my UMX Timber up in the air. Thanks
Nice presentation - I especially liked the simple check on which position the SAFE select switch was in. One clarification: you "recommend" binding to a "new" model in the Tx memory. The fact is, you cannot bind an AR636(A) Rx to anything other than a fresh, default model in the Tx. Tried it... then read the manual. ;-)
Great video very Informative 10/10
This really helped to confirm that I did the binding process right... wouldn’t want to crash my F16 flat into the ground after my hand launch
Just got my first safe select bnf plane and this is perfect. Thanks for posting such a clear demo and explanation.
You are welcome! Glad we could help ;). - Kyle
Very grateful for the accurate and useful information. This explains my near disaster with a brand new plane. It was bound in AS3X and not SAFE mode. I will try again!
Really good job of explaining how to set up Safe Select :-)
Thanks a lot, I flew my RC valiant today and crashed it. Turns out that my SAFE system was not engaged. Now I gotta get a new prop.
Now I can fly my plane with comfort knowing that the safe system does all the hard work.
Sorry to hear about your Valiant... but glad to hear this video helped! - Kyle
@@horizonhobby Thanks Kyle!
Thanks I need this information, because it's my first bnf, starting off with rtf version unit my skills advanced
Do I need to set the program first in my dx6e , before I bind? This is new to me and all flying club's are to far away for help
Scotty Norris I hope you figured this out by now. Yes, you need to do the setup in the transmitter before you do the bind step. Then follow the steps in the video with the bind procedure depending if you want SAFE on or not. Which plane did you get?
@@GrotrianSeiler I bought a turbo timber, and timberX, I set the program, and binded them, they both fly great, the X is different being my first 3d, but I'm learning how to fly it! I did break a prop landing, came in a little fast and nosed into the ground
Yep. Learned the hard way after I had maidened my Timber X 1.2m even after checking the control surfaces and the TX switch, SAFE didn't take. I still had a successful maiden and flight, it's just that my landing wasn't.
Well worth watching and even saved for future reference. Better than good job, me think. :) Thanks so much.
Hello, I have a question, the button with which the safe is activated or deactivated must be assigned in the transmitter, and another question, this procedure also applies to gas or glow models
Technically the "SAFE button" is programmed in the receiver. The receiver simply looks for what function corresponds to that on your transmitter. So, if SAFE is setup to be AUX 2, the receiver will always look for AUX 2 on any/all radios bound to it.
Will this work with an ar 400 receiver and a generation 1 spektrum dx8 radio? Thank you.
I tried to set this up with a Eflite Commander 1.4m. Got the double tap with binfding, Setup for switch A on channel 7. Setup forward programming. With safe on or off the plane tries to right itself when inverted. Any ideas? I already did a software update to the receiver.
Needed this for my hobbyzone aeroscout... great video..
Did you have to toogle the 3 position flightmode switch for safe when bindning to dx6?
Would the forward programming work to set up the panic button top left? I did this and it set up safe by the toggle switch.. DXs transmitter updated.
Thank you very much! Your video was very clear and helped me set up my new Valiant 1.3 with a switch to turn the safe select on and off.
V helpful thanks
You are welcome!
I always wanted to see how a guy looks like who cannot count to 5.😂
Good info, but he says... "Then your gonna toggle the switch you wanna use 3 times" Then he toggles it 5 TIMES! What the Fock is that? This gets confusing enough without conflicting instructions like that. I had SAFE switch assigned to switch A like he does on my Cirrus & Maule, SAFE & switch worked fine, then my last flights there was no SAFE at all. I even did a re-bind on my Cirrus just like he said, but I didn't pull the bind plug out as fast as he did after I connected my battery, re-binded the Tx like he did, then sticks down & center, flipped my A switch 5 times and... nothing, no SAFE. I did a 2nd. re-bind for SAFE on, then found SAFE wasn't even working before trying to assign my A switch. And in my Cirrus & Maule manuals, it says NOTHING about needing dual rates set on HIGH to assign a SAFE switch, how the fock could they miss that in the manuals? They want more calls coming into their tech support dept. I'll have to try again, connecting EC3, then try pulling the bind plug out as fast as he did. If this is what it takes, IT SHOULD BE PLAINLY SPELLED OUT IN THE DAM MANUALS !! Not have to search for 'tricks' like this, come on Horizon, GET IT STRAIGHT IN THE DAM MANUALS !!
I'm using an older DSM2 radio, I've followed the SAFE binding and switch assignment procedure (gear channel set to +/-100 end points), but there is no change when flipping the switch. I noted at the start of the video you only mentioned DSMX radios, is that why I can't use SAFE?
I don't think I have a bind plug. I have a DX6e transmitter and a SPMAR620 DSM2/DSMX
What channel is used ? Don't you have to assign your selected switch to a channel BEFORE you do the BIND ? for example assign switch A to channel AUX 2 or AUX 2 or AUX 3 etc ?
Okay so I have the avios 130 and I bought a spectrum safe receiver to go in there and I am on the DX8e transmitter the receiver I'm using is the ar636 w/safe. I followed the band and procedure at to bind it to where safe mode is enabled however safe mode will not turn on for nothing in the world I went to my forward programming or the flight mode settings I got to assigned to a switch nothing is working I do know how to work with safe because I have the e-flat Cherokee binding fly I have the e-flite Sirius and those two work perfectly however safe will not enable. Am I missing something? Plz help
he said to toggle switch 3 times but toggled it 6 times
Three times in both directions are six. 3*2=6
I have a small problem, maybe someone can help? *Problem started with a first time bind on a not totaly flat surface, how to fix that?* I have bound my E-Flite F-15 with safe on but if i hold the plane in lvl, the elevator is in a light dive position and the alerons give me a light right bank. If i turn safe of, my controllsurfaces are perfect flat with the wings. I tryed to fix that by rebinding without save and after that with safe again but still have the same problem. How can i change the neutral position for safe?
High Kyle great video --Will this same procedure work with the Eflite Extra 300 --1.3M? Thanks
This is the video I've been looking for! Very informative about activating SAFE. Why this info isn't in the aircraft manuals I don't know. I have a Carbon Cub S+ and the manual doesn't make it clear out this process and not even a mention of the type of transmitter required if you add the flaps option. This is meant as a beginners plane and up so details would be useful.
The Carbon Cub S+ is actually different as it does NOT use SAFE Select. It uses progressive flight modes in conjunction with the GPS system. SAFE gets assigned to whatever switch is set as GEAR in your transmitter. Also, for information on adding flaps: th-cam.com/video/5OUfkwkQMEo/w-d-xo.html
Have the Turbo timber . DXs controller. The flaps go down right when plugging in the battery, to get them up I have to press the bind button the entire time , How can I fix that ?
Great video.I have a V900 I need to bind up to my DX8.Waiting for the weather to warm up and stop raining.
Great video.I have a V900 I need to bind up to my DX8.Waiting for the weather to warm up and stop raining.
This doesn't seem to work with the eflr310013 receiver. I cannot get any mode other than beginner, no matter what I try.
i really needed this video, cleared up alot of confusion!
Glad to hear it! Let us know if you have any additional questions!
Wow! I have the UMX turbo Timber and love it . But for a year now I've had the clipped wing cub and I knew something wasn't right . I just had no confidence that the reciever was working in safe. Now I know why. With in 10 mins of watching your video I had it working correctly ! Man I wish I had seen this earlier.
Glad we could help!