Casual MBTI Conversation: INTJ & INTP
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Chitchatting with my INTP friend about normal things relating back to MBTI.
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Wow! I also find that very same thing with my own INTJ hubby, -that he is always very reluctant to share information as he feels it can be weaponized, but me the INTP, am always more that eager to share my newfound information as I enjoy the whole process of enlightenment and the acquisition of certain truths.
She's an INTP, and the fact she is unsure of it further proves it lol
😂
I can see her as infp too but yeah intp. I’m intp per test
That was my intuition also..as an INTP
Watching this video of you guys talking and her explaining her experiences as an INTP really helped me understand myself better, because i keep getting into these phases of overthinking whether I‘m an INTP or an INFP after all. But now i understand that you can‘t always be this stereotype of your MBTI.
So yeah turns out im still an INTP who is just unsure about it XD
An INFP told us that her Fi wouldn't question her type. I agree with her but I'm also not sure what it means to be an INTP. Whatever you end up being, be better than the stereotype ✊
I think you need to give some heads-up to INTPs about what you are going to ask (especially when you try to dig deep). INTPs stutter a lot if we are not sure about certain things or ideas. We need to go through many many lines of internal dialogue/arguments before making a statement. Or it will pain us for giving hasty opinions.
Also, seeing our first reaction doesn't reflect much about us (except the INTP awkwardness) because we don't have Se. We value our first thought and the later thoughts equally. We store/file up the thoughts with Si, play them with Ne and constantly check the logic consistency with Ti.
Hope this help.
-INTP
All the INTPs I know said the exact same thing about needing time to prepare lol. All the people that I'll have on my channel will only be provided a highlevel of what I'm going to ask to keep these conversations authentic. The purpose isn't to provide the 'right' or 'most correct' answer, the purpose is to just to see how two human beings interact. It's more fun that way because I'll have to be more ESFP to make the other person comfortable 😅
I totally agree! (Michelle from the video here) When we first talked about doing this video, I asked Jon for a list of questions for this reason, so that I could take time to think about what my answers would be. But we ended up doing this video the other day spontaneously before other plans, so I was caught off guard and was a little worried about this ahead of time. 😆 My answers here might not reflect exactly how I think because I usually need time to process things and think about how to respond.
@@justcallmejon22 Sorry, what I have said may sound blunt, but I really don't mean to criticise. I just think it will help by telling you what I think... INTPs perform like 25% of their best if you ask them to wing it. However, you handled the interview very well by trying to ease the nerves(the ESFP side). I also love this INTJ-INTP collaboration because it is rare to see these two types interact in person.
It is no surprise at all that all the INTPs you know would like to tell you how to treat them right😂 We are like robots (sometimes we even try to hack ourselves lol). We hand out our "user manual" to those we value/trust. And usually it is the NTJs who will care to read and follow our "user manual" while the other types will think that is just completely BS.
@UCGkwMJCots3Y%E2%9C%8AwhPtHB3Cirw No offense taken! It's always nice to gain more prospective and knowledge on how to take care of loved ones
@@chellymarie03 7:15 - 7:45 That question would have *killed* me. 😀 I'd want to have an HOUR+ to think about it. 😆
I'd have to go through my thought process, in detail... that's a ton of hard work! You don't just wing THAT! 😁
It'd require to go through in intense, brief version of what Ayn Rand did with "Introduction of Objectivist Epistemology".
* note to self: don't do interviews 😁
Damn don't second guess it girl I am and INTP and I definitely understand her. The struggle is real.
Second guessing which part? She did it a few times in this video 😅
@@justcallmejon22 I think they're telling her to not second-guess the fact that she's definitely an INTP! That's what I was thinking during this interview too, that's she's definitely an INTP. :))
As a fellow INTP female, I relate so much to this interview. I also need input from other people or use my logic when making decisions. I found the part about developing Fi to make sense of own values and beliefs so relatable. Great interview. Also, I don't have any advice on procrastination. When I procrastinate, I normally research something, so it's not like I am doing nothing.
Have you found some of your Fi values yet?
@@justcallmejon22 work in progress 💪 😅
As INTP, Si is my tool for anti-procrastination. It’s setting a routine, a habit. The hardest part is starting a habit, maintaining a habit doesn’t require effort.
What's your advice on starting a habit?
@@justcallmejon22 small discrete maintainable steps. Wake up at 9 am, then 8 am, then 6 am. Falling asleep earlier usually follows. Small exercise for 10 mins for 5 days. Then 20 mins. Then 30 mins.
Face to face human interaction for 1 min per day. Then 2 mins. Then 3 mins.
Stuff like that. It’s okay to stumble one in a while, usually due to outside factors out of my control. But once habit is established, sense of control usually follows. With the sense of control, actual control usually follows. Accomplish x tasks at y times becomes easier.
Unfortunately this realization sometimes requires us (or maybe just me) to hit rock bottom. When life gets stagnant, when we’ve failed several times, with no sense of direction, and with nothing else to do but try. To experiment.
Now that I’m writing this, I’ve realized that it might just be me activating my Ne to drag my Si around and force it to establish a new habit.
Thanks for sharing! It sounds right. I've had habits that helped me be more productive.
I’m an INFP, and I related to her a lot. I suspect to have Audhd (just like she does) and that makes us, or at least me, terrible with starting tasks and not procrastinating. And habits, for us, plays out the weirdest way. I think my tertiary Si likes habits but my ADHD makes me have what’s called “attentional blinks”. So, I’ll have developed a habit and one day I’ll suddenly forget it and I’ll be out of the virtuous cycle once again and will have to start everything all over 😢 I’m younger so maybe I simply haven’t found a “hack” for it yet or I’m developmentally not there yet idk
@@tomatoeggs48 it’s weird because I’m the other way around. Grade 1-12 was easy to set a schedule/habbit for me because I’m not the one that get to set it. Almost nothing was in my control, my life was governed by school rules for 8+ hrs, homework and chores for that next 8 hrs, sleep for last 8 hrs. Only at college did I have the freedom to explore hobbies and got addicted to the freedom.
You know when she go back home she will remember the talk and question you say and it's gone think of better way to explain it 100 time over and over
Her resemblance to me is astonishing. I feel like i am looking into mirror.
About not wanting to be alone for long. It's not like this for me but i still can relate. If i have easy access to the peron i am comfortable with (i mean i don't need to reach him but it's just easy to stamble across. It was mostly my neighbours in dormitory when i was in university) I often had many interesting infomation accumulated in my head so i met them to release it and have one looong deep conversation, then i returned to my alone kingdom until i need to explode with new thoughts about something. However the way i talk in these conversations is specific. I talk it in such structures that there is nothing to "answer", so it's really one way talk (i basically talk to myself, correct myself and even argue with myself there by providing contr-arguments) with slight additional points from other person.
It sounds like you were just getting your Ne out and I support it! It's always interesting being an Ni dom listening to Ne users because ya'll relate everything together and it's fascinating! I hope you kept in touch with your buddy from university because he sounds like a good friend to have 🙂
This was a really cool conversation to see. Definitely loved the vibe as it felt a lot like when I'm talking with my own INTP friend. Also just hearing and INTP talk through their thought process on how they approach things was really interesting. Also absolutely agree that we INTJs are more cautious with sharing our information because we do know it can be weaponized in the wrong hands, so it does come back to that same questions, "Why do you need it, and what is the goal you're trying to achieve?" I know for myself it definitely comes from a place of wanting to prevent bad actors from enacting their plans, but other times it can also be tied to wanting to know if the information I could offer would even be effective, or if you just think it would because you don't fully understand what you're asking for.
Yup! It was odd for me to hear that some people don't see information that way. Information being weaponized is one of the most "common sense" things to an INTJ 🙃
As an INTP: “why do you need it” we don’t need it, we want it. More info= clearer whole picture. More comprehensive Birds Eye view.
“What is the goal you’re trying to achieve” nothing in particular, achieving any tangible goals aren’t the point of us asking questions usually. It’s the pursuit of intangible goal of building up our frames of reference. The overused term “framework”. With more complete, comprehensive, correct framework, we can achieve many tangible goals if we want to. But that’s not the immediate compulsion we have, bc we’re fine with accomplishing nothing tangible at all
I wanted to add my INFP perspective on the topic of sharing information 😊 Bc I related to her curiosity and joy of learning new information so that makes me wanna share it with others indiscriminately. But I have restrained myself at times when I suspected harmful use of the info I could have shared.
So I guess the curiosity is a Ne thing and the restraint a Fi-Te thing?
Omg omg omg… so I’m still sort of in denial about being INTP but getting to hear her perspectives… wow we have a lot in common!!! I too debated whether I was ENTP or ENFP (which I’ve mistyped as) and I consider myself a somewhat sensitive person… on the inside. Then hearing her talk about how she wanted to get a stronger sense of values etc… by developing Fi…. That’s me in a nutshell right now. I am exploring that too. Fantastic interview. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I hear you Michelle. Just Learning too know is the way.
It is the Way. 😂
As an ENTP I can definitely relate to Michelle. I see Ti as a box in which I gather as much knowledge as possible and connect all the dots together. The framework I built resulting from this connecting is what I use to base my decisions on. I think XNTP's try to avoid setting goals for things too quickly, because they don't want to pursue goals that will turn out to be irrational in the end.
The way you guys describe Ti sounds like Ni so i have a basic level of understanding. Mama Te won't allow an INTJ to put things off to the end and make sure that we're always working towards a goal by making sure we have a plan. I admire P's, the need to always have a direction gets exhausting 😅
Michelle having demon Fi really was having a hard time talking about things about her. But she spoke unhindered when she was talking about something she was interested about, whether it be an interest she was pursuing or a question for Jon. I find it fascinating.
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INTP - warmest robots
INTJ - coldest human
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I am so used to seeing Jon alone that seeing how he is with another person was funny. That "death stare" is really hard to hide as an INTJ in the receiving end of the conversation. Ni just keeps pumping up when Te is not doing the talking.
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True! I always say this: Information is the greatest weapon. That's why I withhold information about me that can and may be used agsinst me.
I've been hesitant to do interviews because I know I have the 'death stare" when Ni takes over. I internally told myself a few times "stop staring" 😂
@@justcallmejon22 fr fr. The constant internal reminder of "smile every now and then" to show you are present in the conversation, "nod a little" to show your agreement, "extend your motions" to show you are engaging. We are so technical, but at least we are learning the cues, to mitigate the lack of Fe.
The death stare though. I dont think we can so much about that. 😂
The internal monologue of "smile, move, and do not stare" 😆
@@justcallmejon22 That… And could it be the Filipino look? Lmao, you look Filipino. I’m half Filipina ☺️🇵🇭
Shouldn't the INTJ be the warmest robots and the INTP be the coldest humans? Robots can actually push themselves to do something while the human can't or don't always do it 😂
Be awkward:
A) Our brains are scared of seeing itself naked.
B) Teeth are the only bones that we clean
C) Do you think Jesus would be mad about everyone wearing crosses?
11:13 My wife heard this and called me out.
A) Makes sense.
B) Only if you clean them, that's correct.
C) HE WOULD BE SO MAD, THAT HE WILL STAB IT IN THEIR HANDS AND FEET! JUST SO THEY CAN REALLY EXPERIENCE WHAT IT FELT LIKE!!! And then he will hang it around their necks before floating off to Heaven!🙏😈🙏
Teeth aren't bones though.
As a fellow INTP, I can relate to her struggles. Only difference is I went Physiology & Organic chemistry.
Hope you found your Fi INTP ✊
I studied bio geophysics and mathematics. I hate math but I needed to know why. So many universal, existential why questions… I guess I am an INTP
Congrats on figuring out your type! Personally, I think we need more INTPs in this world 😁
This is a great video, kool convo; you two vibe well ❤ INFJ here, and absolutely relate to the ‘end goal’ conversation. I’m protective over my energy, and if I can’t visualise the outcome of something, I ain’t doing it until I can 😂 Always struggled with art projects in school as we were asked to ‘develop our initial idea to get to the final piece’, but I already knew what I wanted my final piece to be at the start 😂
Exactly! I personally don't know how to start something unless I'm able to visualize the end first. It'll just be a bunch of circles and random colors if I try to operate that way 😂
I always love INFJ’s! -INTP
Bruh wtf, She is exactly like me... never sure about anything, Questioning/correcting immediately after saying something, giving 'I think so, may be' answers
I never thought i would see someone like myself on internet
Happy to hear that! She's a very healthy INTP and I recommend learning more about INTPs to understand yourself a bit better (if you haven't already) 😁
Now if it is one thing I do envy about you INTJ’s as an INTP, that you guys so disciplined, organized and structured. I tend to procrastinate and always go to bed late.
Spot on! The acquisition of knowledge has to have an end goal, a purpose. And knowledge can be used for nefarious purposes, so methodical and tactical dissemination is important.
Very true that INTJs are very slow to try something new. This is why I've hated 100% of every job interview I've been to - it's something new and I haven't had enough time to fully vet or investigate how it fits into the end goal.
I feel you 100% on job interviews. How is a person supposed to be investing in a company that we haven't worked at yet? For all we know, the company is going to treat us like shit 😂
@@justcallmejon22 Especially the bullshit prompt of "Tell me about yourself." My only thought is "Gee, where do I begin?"
What I really want to say in interviews is "Look, we both know this is bullshit. You called me for an interview so you obviously think I'm qualified for the position. So, a year from now how do you think you'll know you hired the right person? You want someone who'll stroke egos, or get the job done and take the company to greater achievements?"
She's very smart. According to the things she mentions. Dunno what definition ya'll have for being "smart" but in my terminology, yeah she's probably too smart to be INTP.
She mentions "insatiable thirst for knowledge" without and end goal which is the best part of it - you'll never reach your goal which IS the meaning behind.
She mentions she at some point wanted to define her values and ethics -instead of looking to others for "what they meant" which means that she is clearly a lone wolf among sheep.
She doesn't know and/or doesn't really care what personality she really is. Which makes totally sense given that these are just constructs.
Being around people: it's a necessity to some extent. You can be introverted and still need to be around people that you care about from time to time. Even though you still charge batteries alone like all good introverts.
>When do you have enough information?<
>I don't know; when you can explain to other people in a way that makes sense to other people<
Oh and it's not about the projects... It's about theorized the creation of a given project.
I have a lot of follow up questions if interested.
Thanks for the comment! I'm honestly not sure how to interpret it but I'm confident that she's an INTP 😁
@@justcallmejon22 but it might overlap at some points? Maybe even phases in life?
You should do another interview with her, unbiased preferably, to me it seemed like you put too much effort into labeling her as INTP beforehand (not meant in offense btw just my personal opinion). Maybe spice the questionnaire up with follower-submitted questions.
The test process is inspiring and thoughtful but it does seem like there's more to our personalities than what could possibly be uncovered from the MBTI testing.
Anyways, I like your content which I digest among other similar channels. Keep up the good work 👍
It's a shame you guys live so far away (basically on the other side of the globe) there's so many questions I'd like to ask both of you's 😎
@@MuzzieB There is another video coming up where I talk a little about this. What are some of your questions?
That’s a great way to put it in words. As an INTP, it is an insatiable thirst to understand the ‘why’ which leads to constant rabbit holes. It’s a feeling like there is a secret code to crack. But the more you learn the more you realize you will never reach the goal of truly understanding how it all works.
I love that she self-corrects to try to make things clearer to the listener. Very INTP - we value accuracy, and the Fe wants it to be relatable to others.
Adding another guy to your channel is cool Jon. It switches vantage point to the perspective of another type. You guys vibe well and it's informative. I agree with Michelle's take on information. Learning for the sake of learning is fun, and the curiosity of a subject once learnt becomes yours. Who knows, later on down the line it might pop up in a convo out of the blue. Or someone might ask about it and you have a fair understanding. Thank you guys! Content of this type is awesome. Are you continuing to pump out content like this as well as your existing stuff? CYA!!!😂😂😂
I'm still not sure where I'm taking this channel but there are still a lot more things that I was😀 to try out and series I need to finish. Michelle is super easy to talk to so making this video was a no brainer
@@justcallmejon22Well, you doing a great job, bruh.😹 You have a lot of material to work with, so ya won't have a hard time thinking of stuff. Until I see you drop a INFJ comparison, STAY KOOL!!! 😹😹😹👋
So what I'm getting from this about the trouble finishing projects is to get an INTJ to do it for you?
Having someone else do all that planning and action in the real world sounds wonderful.
On a more serious note the only times in my life I have stuck to things has been when doing them for someone else, most goals and plans fall away because I don't really care about them all that much but I can be very reluctant to let someone down when I have committed to something, this does have the side effect of my being reluctant to commit in the first place because I then know I will have to actually do it.
I've learned over time that Fe is a helluva motivational driver for INTPs to finish projects 😂
This woman? Yikes. Is she play-acting or is this really real? As an INTJ, I DO categorize people as to how they would fit into a "team" project. She may be smart as hell, but I don't think she'd be much use on a project, because I doubt she'd ever speak up, and if she did, she wouldn't defend/promote her idea adequately. Far as I'm concerned, she would be worthless, might as well not be there, and as usual, I'd end up doing her work for her.
@@sandirobinson6966 it depends what the project is, but if you end up with an INTP on your team, I think it's best to give them the overall/concept of what you want done and let them go do it, with regular checkins. INTPs are very thorough, logical and accurate. Great at quality control, analysis, practical design, etc....they most likely didn't like group projects in high school because the others brought their mark down or they ended up doing almost the whole thing themselves. They aren't lazy if there's a deadline, like if someone is relying on them to get that work done. They tend to procrastinate and then at crunch time pull an all-nighter if need be. You wouldn't need to worry about ever having to do their work for them. They'd more likely end up fixing your work for you, but they'd appreciate your speed and ability to get a lot done in much less time than them. So again, put them on quality control or something that requires intellect, analysis, logical creative skills, accuracy, thoroughness, but doesn't require great speed or a lot of explaining themselves to others. Just some thoughts :)
@@justcallmejon22 absolutely!
It may be so fun to gain knowledge just because it's fun. I'm an INTJ myself, and everything I learn needs to be useful somehow in my life. If not, I will get bored and abandon it without even starting. 🙃
Agreed, I don't understand gather knowledge just for the sake of gathering knowledge as well 😂
@justcallmejon22 It may be unique to me, but I personally love learning almost anything. I have learned to doubt almost everything, so my plans stay relatively short term. I personally believe that if you could understand and know every variable for the formula of the universe you could in predict any event without fail, but this is an impossible goal, however as thinking rational beings it is inevitable that we must strive to better understand this formula. With every new piece of information I collect I become better able relate new information to that and so on. Likewise new information leads to better predictions, thus driving me to continue learning in pursuit of this endless goal.
I concede that generally speaking I am far more likely to learn something if and when someone gives me a "why" and a "when".
E.g. MBTI is useful because it can be used to help you accelerate personal growth. (Why) You'd use MBTI to help accelerate growth when you feel like your struggling to communicate with someone to help bridge the gap between your communication styles.
The why helps spark interest, and the when demonstrates value in following through. Not EVERY fact will capture my interest, but they can be presented in such a manner and will at least keep me listening if the person is passionate enough.
Then you can use the new info to create a new trails to follow. If MBTI has accelerated my growth, will other personality research offer tangible benefits. What other applications can I use this for? Other similar experiences this is valuable to apply? And so on.
Ne keeps us curious to keep gathering and connecting info, while Ti is driven to make everything in the world make sense to us in our heads. I wonder if the end goals of continuous learning for INTPs (Ti/Ne) are simultaneously to both expand and complete the logical framework in our heads (which is impossible, because each additional expansion needs to be later completed with more knowledge gaining to fill in the missing logical connections). Ti filters and processes all the knowledge gained (gathered from our Ne curious interests and creative abstract connections, and from our Si memories of experiences/real-world knowledge). It fits that info into it's logical place in the framework of our understanding (of everything we think/know so far). I don't think this goal will ever be completed...we'd have to know everything there is to know, about anything that ever or will ever exist, and then when that job's complete, to explore whether there's anything to know about nothing as well.
As an ISTP I've found it's really helpful to have social accountability for projects - so working in teams or just telling people what I'm going to do by when really helps motivation. I think that's similar to INTP because I believe it's triggered by inferior Fe. The theory I've heard about this is that most of the "cool projects" that Fe inferiors do are ultimately motivated by creating a positive social response, so despite not needing that to start projects (the interesting new ideas are enough), that really helps to get them through the "boring parts".
Good video I found on this (it's ISTP but much of it applies for INTP): th-cam.com/video/YhXd4brvjYQ/w-d-xo.html
Objective personality is a great channel! Motivation has always been internal for me but it sounds like external motivation is valuable for ISTP/INTP ✊
INTP here. Same way. I can sit and learn infinite details/facts about something and internalize it into my own frameworks and use them to inform my impenetrable logic, but don't ask me to explain those thing to another person 😅 Nice comvo. INTJs are just as interesting...
It's fun for an INTJ to learn about the logical framework ya'll built 😃
i love the play on your eyebrows during the talk jon - tells a lot 😛
I can't help it 🙃
Cool INTJ & INTP Conversations Please Add ESTJ The Lengendary Alpha . Waiting for TE clash 😁😁😁😁
I don't know if you haven't noticed it yet but I don't clash with any type 😅
The "i got bored" is so relatable 😭
I can tell you're an INTJ in the first 10 seconds with all your hand gestures not being natural but a learned behavior
I think, the framework (Ti) is so interesting and mysterious, I keep trying to understand it, also Si and Ne, specially when I talk to INTPs and ENTPs.
I can relate about the reasons to do something. Sometimes, it isn't about a specific goal but It helps so much to do things that I have to do or I should do.
Procastination is something that I have to deal with it too but I have learnt that I need time to do things so I can procastinate doing other things I like or I'm interested in😅
I completely agree that Ti and Ne are functions that are mysterious and will never stop being interesting to me. Maybe that's why INTX's tend to grativate towards eachother, because we're just naturally curious 😀
This is literally my husband (INTJ) and I (INTP)!
For INTP's, think about this:
The more you do now, the less you have to do later!
Get the boring stuff done first(more you do now).............. then the more time you have LATER to think about ideas that interests you.
Hope this is a clear message.
I approve this message because it sounds very 'Te' 😂
INFP-T here, and for a long time in my life I thought I was extroverted because I liked being out with my small group of friends doing the music adventures I was involved in with Symphony and choir. When I took the test 3yrs ago I thought I was an ENFJ-T because that was indeed my shadow self and how I operated in the high demand religion/cult that I was raised in that put extreme importance on performance and service to others. It was a transactional love based system. Also I went undiagnosed with my ADHD because the system was so strict I easily followed the rules which allowed me some of the other freedoms I enjoyed. But now as a grownup I can see through different lenses and information.
The procrastinating and waiting for last-minute or deadlines is a real thing. It's an ADD or ADHD thing. It doesn't mean you have that per say, but it is a high trait that will make you stop doing or not finish projects if boredom hits. If it's not fun, we just don't do it. If there is no, passion/interest/desire/urgency to a thing, we just don't until or or all of those reasons forces us to get it done. Add and ADHD is like have a completely functional secondary nervous system, but it's inconsistent because those factors I stated above have to be present to motivate us to get in the zone. Otherwise we just learn and learn and learn and do what we want based on how we feel or what we're hyper focused on learning in that moment.
It still amazes me that there are people out there that do things simple because it's fun instead of working towards an end goal. You guys will always amaze me 🙃
I can relate, I can’t do an interview or a meeting without knowing the agenda 😅 I Get stressed out when I do Not know What to expect in the meeting.. 😂😂
I am too curious as well and Get bored and when I already know the process.
I always tell my boss I dont like routine job , it bores me easily, he always give me Tasks that are New and difficult , even him doesnt know How to do it, I just like figuring out How things work.. 😅
I work from Home so it also the Best job ever for me.. 😁
-INTP here
INTJs get bored easily also, we just don't like incomplete tasks 😅
I see, for my job, I always try to complete tasks on time, however We Intps procastinate a lot on our own plans, just weeks ago I planned of having a business with all the ideas, bought materials coz I wanted to start it right away, but now I got New plans and stopped working on my other plan, 😅😅😅
But yeah this is really not a good trait, Like Michelle said, Help us stop procastinating 🤣🤣🤣
As an INTJ, I was watching the NatGeo series “Genius”. It’s a miniseries on Albert Einsteins life. He said in one of the episodes that his goal was to stay in academia so he can “think for thinkings sake”. I understood what he was wanting do, but it didn’t make sense to me lol. Like why? With no real end goals in mind? I had to pause for a second and concluded that it sounded wise, but it actually wasn’t (imo). But hey, he’s Albert freakin Einstein 🤷♂️
One of our type has to be the one that just sits and think and it aint going to be the INTJ since we got Mama Te yelling in our ears to accomplish things 😅
True! Always looking for applications lol
Einstein’s personality type was INTP, so him wanting to spend life gathering knowledge makes sense.
Wow! I was also intensely interested in physics and philosophy, as well as discovering the beautiful mysteries of the universe without any end goal! The only unfortunate thing is that I discovered my passion later.
Fug… the ways she describes about she’s unsure herself to be INTP is definitely me… I thought about Entp a lot or sometimes isfp but after analyzing a lot with information and structure of how my thoughts work and connecting things I finally found that I’m a pure INTP
Congrats on figuring out your true type! It takes a lot of us a long time to narrow it down; it took me a few years. All the INTPs I know wonder if they're Feelers once they start engaging with Fe and I always have to tell them that they're not feelings. How do I know they're not? It's because INTPs are some of the only types out there that the INTJ can talk without filter and know you guys won't get offended and will understand. Enjoy your journey through Fi INTP! I'll give you the same advice I give all INTPs, not everything will follow logic and somethings just feeling strongly about something is enough ✊
@@justcallmejon22 very cheerful of you!
Thank you for the encouragement
He is so much more confident, open and real. (What you see is what you get). She is incredibly guarded and either low self-esteem or very uncomfortable/unsure of herself. To a fault from my personal INTJ perspective. Jeez...just too freeking much work listening to her. An INTJ would be quickly exhausted interacting with her. It's damned heavy lifting trying to connect with her. I love his body language. He's very leery (skeptical?) and backing off from her. I get it buddy. I can't listen to anymore of this.
I think we have to consider that I asked her out of the blue to do the interview and she's not used to being recorded as much as I was at the time. I assure you that she's a lot more confident, open, and real off camera 😊
Oh this would be so fun to be a part of!!!!
She is amazing
She is 😁
Doing gain of function research without understanding the potential risks to the world... for funsies.
Note I have a lot of time for INTP's, but a good role for INTJ in the relationship is the moral compass and understanding impacts of research (because Ni will understand long term implications of research trajectory while INTP focus on learning and finding things out regardless of consequences)
Yup! That's why we're the dynamic duo!
She comes across like Leslie Winkle from Big bang Theory, who is also an INTP😆
I can see that 😂
True! -and Amy Farrah Fawler.
How I experienced Ti as an INTJ is always second guessing and even not sure if it makes sense when fact check. Like, theres things like we understand the fundamental of 1+1=2... now what Ti does is... but why 1+1=2, lets see if we can find a reason is like that, why on the surface it make sense until theh come up with the overarching explanation that it is just units to explain the overall reality. The idea and logic as a whole instead of the structure. The Ti are the ones who joke about 1+1=3 because the value of 1 is a variable that can reduce with another 1 to make a third whole (mom+dad=mom and dad plus baby) it can be mutable and more flexible than Te in the idea sense. Structurally Te gathers the idea to serve a general purpose. Ti use principles that can be used to create, change and mutate to different purposes. Like Ti is the grain of sand... while Te is the sand castle. This can be seen as well with Fi and Fe function. That's how I understand Ti vs Te.
I actually understood all that....😳 Thanks!!! 😂
You lost me until you provided the 'grain of sand' and 'sand castle analogy'. It all clicked afterward. Sounds like I need to work on my Ti 😅
Funny think people also think I’m social, but I know I’m not very social and that I’m only so with people I feel comfortable with, or with my own tribe of like minded individuals (fellow NT’s)
22:00 funny how she says "If i am able to teach someone". That is very Fe. Now i know it simply by "If i am able to remember". As entp, if i get so many fucking ideas, the one i keep is the one that is probably right. That's my Si. It is trial and error, and then removing bad members.
23:52 welcome to the ENTP club. BTW that is a combination of ADHD and Autism. Ne Fe is my adhd. Ti Si is my autism. But okay, society is putting up a social construct again, because what it really measures is the lack of Te. Te is much more efficient in the workspace. Now people want people to be 'just like them' but unfortunately, society, people are not like you. Ti exists. It is like your Fi. While you may pretend that it doesn't for sometime, you cannot escape your internal world.
Problem is, the most successful Te users are also the most dreadful Fi users. That is, for sometime, because reality catches up on that individual eventually.
She definitely an itnp, when she was asked is there any advice she can give to other to maintain focus I answered to myself I wish too.. that some sht i battle with all the time. I love pressure, that’s when I work best
It's so interesting how universal that is for INTPs because I can't relate to that as an INTJ 😅
She's the female version of my type.... She explains herself like she is reading my mind.... Weeeeeeiiirrrrd!!! I'm INTP....
INTPs truly are one of my favorite types, I just have to get past your Ti arrogance first 🙃
@@justcallmejon22 one of the cringiest things I've experienced was two less mature INTPs getting into an argument and using Ti to bash each other, while reminding me of doing the same thing when I was younger.... It's just such a powerful tool/weapon, it's fun to wield around. But unless the INTP is mature we do more damage than good
Yes! She is so much like me. 😅
@@justcallmejon22 Yeah my Ti can be quite arrogant and even rigid at times.
Sounds like Michelle has the Dunning Kruger effect. But let me explain what I mean by that because it's not an assault what I mean it's a big Kompliment.
Normally you would say to a person that don't know a topic well enough that this person just don't know enough about the specific topic but ist many times very confident about the topic. So most people think they are smarter than they are and even themselves think they are well enough educated because the have so less knowledge about the topic that they don't know how much they don't know.
But a student in the topic has way more knowledge about the topic and knows how big the topic is an has a glims of how much they don't know. they have most of the time not much confidence because of how much they have to learn to be an expert.
But an expert like a teacher for the topic knows that he/she is an expert but always know there is more to know and the topic ist way to komplexe, so the expert is confident but is always saying he/she don't know enough.
So the most confident person of the three in the room is the person who knows the least about the topic, then the expert and then the student.
I guess Michelle is many times the expert in the room.👍
I hope i used the proper words and my English is understandable enough. And I'm deeply sorry if I offended one or both of you. But I think all I said was friendly and is understandable.😅
It doesn't sound like an insult, I see it as a compliment as well! I agree 😀
Hung out with an INTJ girl last night and she asked why I went into engineering. She laughed when I said “I’m pretty decent at math.” Lol. I get it now. INTJ is so goal oriented, it’s an unfathomable way to start an answer.
I feel I act similar to how Michelle acts.
That's a funny answer to me as well 😅
Even the least INTP thing she thinks she have is so INTP thing (a healthy INTP thing) 😊
She's the healthiest INTP I know 🙂
I am an INTP and I can relate. I suspect that part of wanting to collect all that information and wanting to understand the world has to do with a desire for control. Not in a physical sense, but in a psychological way. When there's something I don't understand, I feel out of control. I need to understand everything, and to put everything into the system I've built for understasnding the world. But also, yeah - understanding stuff is its own reward. That's why we need INTJs for the follow-through :)
@@ginaherrera3166 I meant that we INTPs sometimes have a hard time sticking to one thing. We tend to leave projects once we feel that we understand them. That's why we need you guys to stay focused and complete the projects. We need each other is what I am saying :)
Hm, I do care about the end result for sure. But I guess it's a little bit of column A, little bit of column B. Depends on how I interpret your question. It's not that I don't think follow-through is important or that I never finish projects - I do - it's just that at some point, it won't turn me on as much as it did in the beginning. I prefer the initial stages of projects to the repetitive grind that sometimes needs to be done.@@ginaherrera3166
I think you're right. She did mention that she was right on the threshold of being an INTP, so this video would have been.a lot more interesting if she had been a more typical INTP. @@ginaherrera3166
Great discussion being had here! I want to add that I have a handful of INTP friends and they mostly act like Michelle. It's not that she's not the stereotype, it's that she's more mature and learned the importance of her lower functions, which is why I love having her as a friend and having her on my channel 😀
Ummm, both of you look terrified with one another. 😅
"I can't help it mom, that's just the way I look!"
(Me when I was 15 years old and my mom said I had a weird look) 😭
I think we just always look like that. 😂
Exactly, feelings-what use do they have in thinking and interactions 😅 I love how puzzled it feels when interacting with it in some minor way especially for the individual who is feeling it and for the person who is receiving it. 😃
Okay, I think cute makes more sense now.
Wait wait wait, I figured it out side eye interactions 😂 I wish there was some kind of emoji for side eye 😒 without the frowning
I am an INTP and the way for me to understand how INTJs-INTPs differ in regards to information is that INTJs are like softwares for a computer and INTPs are basically the hard-drives. Also, I see INTPs taking longer to reach an existential happiness (This is what my cognitive functions are structured for me to maximize)
Existential happiness will always be questioned for both of us but I agree that INTJs are better at it since we have Fi so we're more aware of our identity and foundations 🙃
Btw it took me quite awhile that I am actually an INTP, especially since I didn’t see myself as being that smart.
The only difference between her and I is that instead of getting mistaken for an INFP, I would get mistaken for an INTJ. Lol
I can see how INTPs can be mistaken as INTJs..until you guys start talking. INTPs Ne is too strong to ignore as an Ni dom user 😁
@@justcallmejon22Lol, interesting. We also tend to over explain compared to the INTJ.
I am like that girl. Just study physics without even think i wanna be the one of it. I just think that subject is interesting. I dont even have goals. Its too much weight on me. I mean when someone ask me, with thing you learn now, what career you want? I will said dunno, i just think its interesting. Same thing when i am going out with one goal, take money but in the end i will have another thing in my hands after that ( like buy drink or snack ), or even when someone ask me why you write story? I will answer cause i dont find another story interesting or fit with my taste, so i create one. When someone ask me, you wanna be a writer? I will answer if yes then okay, if not then okay too. I never set goal for things i did. Same when my parents ask me why you enroll math college when you dont set goal to have job in that field. I remember answer it with argument : we need to being someone or have some career just to enroll college? And its enough made my parents angry at me cause i tell them after i got my degree. So, i hid it from them for nearly 4 years lmao. For me, when someone or me set goal for things in my life i will be stressed out and it will ended in half way. I hate too when someone tell me this or that. I never watch something when someone recommend it to me. I will search deep for the movie, then watch it cause i think its interesting. And i will even remember tiny detail which i even surprised too if i am really like something. When my high school or middle high school have gathering, i will be the one who tell them what happen in the past until they look at me with weird eyes. Like whats wrong with this weirdo wkwk. Even i am already got my MBTI test three times, i am still unsure and test it again just to get same result again lmao
NERD!!! JK! It sounds like you have Ti instead of Te and it's one of your higher cognitive functions if you enjoy information for the sake of information. I've never had an issue with figuring out a path or planning for the future but I've been around enough P's in my life to know it's normal. It sounds like you're doing well in your life so far so good stuff! We're all going to be 6ft under anyways so might as well live it the way you want to ✊
@@justcallmejon22 yeah, that's my goal. Do things I want for life. But sometimes reality hit me about that case not always happen. I think my sister have J in her MBTI type, she always nag me about it but in the end, she will said it's no use give you an advice. In the end, you will just do things with your way. I am remember how annoyed or tired she is when I will just look at her when she said you must do this and this to survive. I know this is evil but sometimes I enjoy that view. Sorry, sister hehe. And yeah even in the past, no one can't stop me go to the library. I am a freak. I can't pass another stuff but in my middle high school had library card is the must. I am always go there at rest time, after school ended and always bring 3 or 4 books at home. It's can be comics, science book or subject material. My friends always protest on me cause we always ended in library when we can hang out at the canteen. But talking sometimes drain me, that's why. I am always think I am a weird one but when I search at TH-cam and find someone like the girl in the video, I feel relieved. It's like there are another person too in this world. Cause gather information from article is different (after all it's just theory) when you see the subject with your eyes. It's more accurate and you can get many information from their talking and their gesture. Then, you can see they have some similarities and difference. For me, when I see human, I observe them too. That's how I can see the pattern. After many trial I can have my conclusion. I think that's how my brain works? But once again, human is dynamic creature, so it can have abnormal pattern like I assume. Btw, what's is JK? I have one friend as she claims she is INTJ and yeah I remember see her brain map when she study, and start learning with that map. When I see that, it's troublesome. I need to writing again, I am too lazy for that. And I don't like miss information from material. So, it's better just learning from the material instead. But isn't right INTJ have some over confidence on their self? Sometimes, it's tick me off, not like I hate them. But sometimes I argue with her in the past cause that. But yeah, we have good term actually.
@@syaoransakura8839 Realizing that you're a bit different is the first step! Now that you narrowed it down, learn from healthy INTPs and you'll be the best version of yourself in no time! Yes, INTJs are overconfident a lot of the time. That's why we always seem to accomplish so much on our life =)
@@justcallmejon22 yeah, that's my friend is achiever too. Btw, thank you for this. Tbh, it's bit hard to find INTP out there which wanna talk. Even it's Korean video too, it's not have translations. So, thank you
Great video!
Thank you!
Tirei a dúvida se era intj ou intp.Descobri que sou intp 😊. Obrigada 🙏
Bem-vindo à festa INTP!
I'm also an INTP, and procrastination... yeah... my weakness, is I set up my outline and time line, and then "waste" all the time in between "learning" about the subject and then get stuck with the last minute finishing of the project.
I found my trick is to set alarms on my phone to check in as to where I am at on completing the project otherwise I end up down several bunny trails!
Thanks for sharing! I still can't fathom how you guys do that and not focus on finishing the task 😂
Interesting points made at 12:40 or thereabouts. You're discussing how INTJ absolutely CANNOT put energy into things without the Ni goal (or the big picture in mind). And I think this is because of Hero Te. Unless we have an eventual real, concrete Te application for something we are doing, there's literally no conceivable reason to do it. I have this debate with my ENFP bestie. Ti/Ne loves that shit, knowledge for the sake of the exploration, that IS the point to them. But not to Ni/Te, there needs to be the hammering down to the end goal or why are we doing this?
Exactly! I'm in this conversation a lot and people are always confused that practicality matters more than knowledge for the sake of knowledge 😅
@@justcallmejon22 It’s probably the least understood yet highest most salient aspect of our type. It’s the driver of literally everything we do. From getting up in the morning to how we date (ENXP’s cannot fathom our dating mindset!) Everything subconsciously fits the grand goal and if not it drifts into the ether, and then good riddance tbh 🤣
Says "Build a framework" when referring to "knowledge of the universe"... INTP
So we all are puppet of our mind not always but most of the time 😆
Always have been 😂
When she says at 3:23 " im not sure about anything"....yeah intp forsure 😂. Intj here btw
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I always find this funny when I see it, if the uncertainty makes it certain then the certainty would make it uncertain, on and on forever.
Really interesting. As a INTP shifted ENTP, i see that she is a ENTP shifted INTP. Really funny to see that. She is like 25% on the ENTP-INTP spectrum, while i am 75%. I basically call myself an ENTP that tries to be an INTP, and i kinda vibe with that for her in the reverse order. Like saying 'you just get bored' as legitimate reason is so ENTP. Now i have that on steroids, and am still a stuck first year that looks at mbti, and trying to solve the problems of the universe, while should supposedly do my economics, but hey. Dutch regulation is great. Might lose 100k but all gonna be worth it when im in jail and smart.
I try to respond to every comment so I hope you don't think I'm ignoring you, you just left a lot on multiple videos and I can't wrap my head around all the touchpoints you left, but I am reading them! I see the E/I of each type to be very similar until you start engaging with their dominant function. ENTP Ne feels like it's on steriods compared to an INTP's Ne, whereas an INTPs Ti feels the same compared to an ENTP. Whatever any of us might be, I just hope you're using MBTI for self-reflection and not your identity. Also, I have a soft spot for the Dutch and the Netherlands ❤
My Ti also can get pretty arrogant and even rigid at times
I think I am not INTJ.
Or maybeee not. I relate to INTP procrastination but i also relate to not sharing information about me because it's just don't make sense for me to share information about myself.
But at the same time i learn information for the sake of learning but only which i find interesting like geopolitics. Idk if INTJs Also do that.
I'm on the same boat so if you find an answer please give an update on this. I think it's just how a rising INTJ is. I guess an INTJ in development is not yet capable of using their functions as a mature one would, especially when it comes to TE that is enhanced in teenage years, which is why it's hard to get in the overachiever mode when it's not for something you want. And SE was always a problem for us, we think we neglect it but it actually controls us a lot that's maybe why we procrastinate and stay reserved that is to stay in our comfort zone. FI and NI on the other hand decide what we like and want and only make plans for whatever that is which will be executed by TE that is way more likely to respond to what we like than what we don't.
As I recall, you're one of my younger audience member so It'll take time for you to become more comfortable with the rest of your cognitive functions. I also wondered if I was an INTP until I was about 25, it's pretty common for INTJs. Don't stress it, just keep doing what feels right ✊
I'm releasing my video on how Se effects the INTJ this weekend 😁
@@justcallmejon22 thanks a lot- I love the fact you remember me😊
Not being sure of anything is a curse.
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Have you ever met another INTJ? Because as an INTJ myself (and because I’m a woman I guess) I don’t actually know if I’ve interacted or became friends with another INTJ😅 And if you have, how was it?
Yup! I have an INTJ lady that I knew for over a decade now. We're good friends 🙂
I can't stand other Intj as an Intj, they are just acquaintance, they can be boring. I always want to be friends with someone who has something or doing what I want in life, someone who's aspire me to look at their path to get that position
Jon is my fav infp
I'm your favorite...🤗
She's very INTP.
I think so as well
Should I say or nit that u have affection for her beauty , can see in ur eyes 😂as a fellow intj it's just went through
😂
Hey could you bring other mbti guests? Like an Enfp like myself 👀
I plan on it one day 😀
I see that she is more Intj than intp, I don't know
What do you mean?
How so?
I don't know either 😂
What makes you think that?
Hahahahaha. Yup. You DON'T know.
31:52 as ENTP, i recommend trying less to impersonate a ENTP. Being ENTP is hellish. It is like your bad side, diled to full. Procrastinating, but more so just losing attention and focussing on new projects. On the one hand, it is liberating as you will never lose knowledge. On the other hand, it is exhausting as no one will respect that of you.
If you wan change intp toxic think if they do one just told him directly said advice way
Do INTP females that don't question their type (for years) even exist? haha
I think they just don't fit the INTP stereotype. Maybe it is true what's said that 70-80% of INTPs are male, and female brains are wired very differently than male brains. Also females have a very different experience socially than males and different expectations from society. So both nature (brains) and nurture (society) are pushing them further away from the typical INTP (predominantly male) stereotype.
I think it's somewhat common for INTP females to test as or think they're an INFP or empath or INFJ even.
It might be easy for the female INTP to recognize that Ne/Si is definitely in their function stack (just like the INFP stack). Also, people often question/flip their 1st & 4th functions (T & F). 1st function is like the air you breath (or the water you swim in), so you might not even realize you're experiencing that function. 4th function is the one you're weak in but still conscious of, so it can end up overwhelming you and seem like something you often focus on getting better at (so you might confuse that for being a dominant function or higher up in your stack than it is).
4th (baby/immature/takes too much energy to use often) function is Fe for INTPs, so they struggle with feelings, but society expects women to be "good at" feelings. They do care about others' feelings (Fe) and might confuse that for their own feelings, since it overwhelms them. So they might go into extremes of either people pleasing or full hermit mode to avoid being overwhelmed about what other people feel about them or what they say...social interactions can be too draining. Then they might wonder if they're an INFP because they think they're more conscious of feelings than they are.
Unlike INFPs who make decisions based on their own feelings/values and what they want, INTPs tend to make decisions based on what they think makes the most sense logically, and this can often be influenced by the feelings of people they care about. Everything about this interview screams INTP female. Even the awkwardness and her struggling to try to think out loud with another person (Te allows INTJs to do this easily). Ti processes logic internally first before explaining it to others, so this makes interviews difficult, especially if the question hasn't been pre-processed alone. It'd be way easier for her to think about it thoroughly, then answer the question in a stupidly long email, which the INTJ would not want to read all of. Just like my comment here. Hahaha
I'm an INTP (questioned it for many, many years and had to go way down the MBTI rabbit hole before I was even somewhat conclusive on my type). If this was an interview, I might get one of these thoughts out, but for most of the interview I'd be using up too much brain energy wondering about how the other person is feeling about my comment to even focus on processing the question.
I read your long comment and I appreciate your sharing your thoughts 🙂
@@justcallmejon22 haha thank you!! :)
28:20 A good way to keep the motivation for a project for INTPs is talking about it to other people. Create expectation in other people important to you. Fe inferior fear to make people feel bad so, if you don't want to disappoint them, you have no choice but to stick with the project. We are the kind of people that need to be forced to do things XD.
I don't understand how actions do not have a specific purpose... how do you just live... randomly??? What's the picture? Why are we taking this nap??? There has to be a reason, guys! Come on!!! 😂
That will never make sense to me either 😂
When you say to her Nerd that really make her hate you 😑 because you say it undirictly fe fill like why I'm here if you hate me
It's look stupid reson but realy we think alote what people think of us if it's not wan us to be there
She's fine dude. She already told me that she's willing to do another conversation. I can call her a nerd and she can call me a nerd and we both won't get upset because that's the level of friendship that we have 😁
@@justcallmejon22 OK 👌that's great realy 👍
Even though she looks like an INFP she certainly speaks like an INTP.
I honestly don't know what easy type is supposed to look like. I was told once that I dress like an ESTP 😂
Really? To me she looks pretty intp
@@justcallmejon22maybe ESTP is one of your "layers" of personality? Because I put my ESFP mask when I had to do social stuff...