Outshine have been in touch and they have dropped the price, but more importantly are taking feedback and going to release a version 2.0 with all the issues fixed! :D
Nice! I have almost the same rig, it's called Svive d1 racing over here in Norway. I have lots of things to say about the rig. I'll start with the things I like: -It was affordable, about 320£ with the shifter arm. -I like the seat, it fits me well and is comfortable for me. -It doesn't look bad. -It was pretty easy to set up. The things I don't like: -It flexes a good bit everywhere, and I would not recommend using load cell pedals. -Almost no options for expansions to the rig. -Shifter arm has to be tightened REALLY hard to make it not wobble, just like the rig you reviewed. As soon as I can afford it I'm buying a aluminium rig. Trak Racer TR120 looks like a good rig for me.
That's so good for a company of any kind to take on the criticism of Joe Public, but to answer to that so quickly is brilliant. But let's see how much they take on board
I like the look of the rig. Awesome to see them taking feedback constructivly, hopefully they will mod v1 to 2.0 quickly. That flex was unaceptable. To save the overbored shifter arm mount holes, a bushing could be used. Full holes in the seat pan with proper bolt/washer/washer/lock nut setup would solve the seat mount issue. A secondary frame under the pedal tray for support, and 4 points of contact between pedal tray and main frame would solve the pedal flex. Bracing the wheel stand at 6 points of contact vs 2 would help the "Outshine" live up to its name.
They don't need to drop the price. What they need to do is pull it off the market and totally redesign it, while offering full refunds to those who bought this piece of scrap metal.
Great review as always Karl. My decade old GT Omega Wheelstand Classic with a little bit of bracing has less wobble in it than that full rig. You have to wonder did anyone in the company actually sit in it and test it before signing off on the design.
Damn, I was looking at this for my rig like a month ago, back and forth messages with the company, they had no videos to show me properly, but what they did it just looked incredibly small. And now this review, I'm incredibly happy I didn't go with them and waste £450 on them.. They did give me a 10% off discount code too. So, shoulda known then.. EDIT: Out of curiosity I checked their webpage for the rig, and noticed a 5 star review on there with a picture. That review, I am assuming is not legit, its the same setup that they sent me when I asked about it, including the one and only video of it.
Nice, honest review Karl, thanks as always. Just wanted to say, my GT Omega Titan (bought earlier this year) pedal tray is reinforced with box section underside so no noticable flex there. Expect they improved on the original design following reviews/feedback.
I wish I had a time lapsed Karl to build every flat pack item I buy. I don't see the problem with all that wobble as someone who can't afford a motion system I would just wobble the monitor for immersion.
Why did they not use the same type of spacers that the TV stand uses to connect to the main frame! Thank you saved a lot of people a lot of money with this review.
This looks great, still watching now. The seat looks exactly like my NR-G seat I purchased from Amazon. Right down to the seat belt gaurd in bottom of the seat having lots of play.
I got a very similar rig, its called a OPLITE GTR S3, unfortunately without a TV stand, but for a price of 300 quid, so im very happy and definetely it is not wobbling so much. the wheel section is built a bit different
lol you got my cockpit, its alright, does the job but i do have to put books under the pedal tray so it doesnt flex from my simforge pedals, i also had to get adapter so i can use both shifter and handbrake, i also managed to bolt in my simagic alpha mini via two bolts instead of 4, seems sturdy like that anyway, and i had to lift up the plate all the way up to barely make it face me right, i dont have that flex though, damn someting aint right with yours, mine is stiff, to clarify we have the same design, not the same band so maybe thats why mine doesnt flex
Ive been using the F-GT rig for over 3 yrs now and i had to put strutts in to strengthen the wheel deck and its as solid as ANY rig out there, my only problem is its not a very comfy seat. Im upgrading to the F-GT elite or maybe the V-rig next yr! ✊🏻✌🏻💙
Thanks for the honest review Karl, you'd think manufacturers would reach out to someone like you BEFORE they put something on general sale! A little bit of feedback and then adjustment to the product and hopefully they could release something worthy of a mid range price. Still it's not the first company new to sim racing to do that and they won't be the last, I read somewhere that the early NLR products were a bit ropey but I've bought the F-GT elite. So there is hope for these brands yet if they can take constructive criticism and use it to their's and everyone elses benefit.
@@tomsawyer2112 NLR don't really make that gear it's kind of a under license deal from a well respected full motion systems specialist. I think you missed the overall tone of the review from Will as generally he was fairly happy with it but of course it is a step down than what he is used to.
I mean, as long as they're taking feedback, ideal. But you'll think they'll take feedback before product is sold to the public. A company trying to get into the market without any real market research, if they really want to try and capture some of this market share, i'm sure they'll go and research and make a better product and maybe we'll actually have an alternative to existing setups which would be nice.
I bought this rig and I have a bit different impression. In Poland this stuff is being sailed under brand Nano RS. This which I received was quite stiff. Only shifter mount needed some tweaks to reduce play. But honestly I can say that it was good buy.
Too many companies what to jump on the sim racing bandwagon without putting in the R&D and making a good product. They then stick a high price tag in the hope people will just buy it 🙄
great video, my trak racer dd1 wheel deck came in chipped aswell as scratched, so even for a company that makes good rigs you can expect some sort of quality issues
Pretty shocking… glad they are doing the right thing on this rig in the future though Karl, thanks to your review… just imagine the disappointment if you bought one to then experience this ‘feature’…
IMO all you'd need is a pair of steel bracing straps and removing the plastic spacers to make it more solid, hell even adding some washers where the 2 frames bolt together would remove most of the flex cause the pics on their site just show the bolt connecting them but no support there at all, it looks like there's just one plastic insert per side so it creates a fulcrum just making the wobble much, MUCH worse. Maybe you could move the plastic spacer to right beside the bolt holes and get more rigidity? I'd avoid the monitor mount full stop though, just to stop any flex in the frame causing the monitor to wobble, which makes me wanna puke. If I didn't have a cockpit I'd seriously consider this, without the shifter mount and monitor stand, cause the flex can be sorted easily enough with a modicum of common sense...
Thanks for the review, saved me from buying this after seeing this review. I'm going to get the sim hound rig and a gt omega seat with a wall mount for my monitor so in total 500 quid for a aluminium profile rig adjustable chair and adjustable monitor mount. Bit of a better option in comparison to this if you ask me.
Looks almost identical to my tube rig. I don't like it. Flexes like crazy everywhere, no option to use both a shifter and handbrake at the same time. Ok edit: Mine does not flex that much on the wheelbase, it still flexes a bit but not nearly that much.
@@Thisonegoestoeleven666 It's a generic tube rig. Only sold in Norway. It's not the GT Omega Titan so it doesn't matter what it is called. But it's the Svive d1 racing btw.
I don't get why companies release kit that is not up to scratch. You can tell right away that that cockpit will have a ton of flex. Bracing would obviously help but they must have known KG was going to be honest about it. Just a look at other reviews would tell that he says how it is
@@KarlGosling Knowing the market and whats out there and seeing how you review items would be a start. The people that sent you it, can't be into sims or they would know about the flex. I'm a novice but even i knew what was going to happen. Keep up the good work.
Glad I watched this as i was about to buy one to replace my playseat challenge, which actually wobbles less than this. What’s the best seat at this price point?
Funny that if I try hard I would find a car that have 4 seats wheel , chasi , and engine so I can run , in similar price . It's just blowing my mind how much Fev pipes can cost if they placed in certain category .
I'm amazed this got into the wild. It actually looks as bad if not worse than the ADX abomination you reviewed a while back. Even the old Playseat Evo looks more stable than this and that is saying something.
Looked so sturdy and solid until you started shaking the whole setup, this rig needs a fastening point to a wall behind and a wood plank underneath pedals and that is wierd to fix then you spend 400$ on the product and expecting it to work
You were like i need some speakers so i better get some small ones ? 😂 I had the same ones i believe like 20 or 25 years ago. Not really the warmest sound but they packed a punch.
Hey man I was wondering if you could give me some advice. I currently use the gt lite cockpit and I am pretty knew to SIM racing. Do you recommend I upgrade my hardware (wheel, shifter etc.) Or should I focus on a more sturdy cockpit first (Omega art etc.)?
@@KarlGosling they do....and before I buy one I'd like your opinion....we did have mutual friends before I moved away from Suffolk....but didn't know you personally.....shame
Real shame about the flex, looked like a nice cockpit otherwise. If you were just getting into sim racing but wasn't sure if you were going to stick with the hobby yet, what cockpit would you choose?
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Karl, I disagree that these rigs are not designed for full power wheel bases like the DD1 and pedals like the Sprints. They're full frame kits and I want to see if they can hold up like they're supposed to.
Have to appreciate that you have integrity in not recommending this. Makes the ones that you do recommend even more attractive. I've been looking at the Treq 1, have you looked at it? Seems to be a Gt1 evo with a profile pedal tray
This is a CSL DD, a small light wheel base! For it's price it should be able to handle that all day long as others in this bracket can and do, the GT Omega Titan or Sim Hound cockpits for example.
That is truly awful. How on earth did this get the green light to be produced, and why was it not tested at the prototype stage, assuming there was one, which doesn't look likely given the state of it. There seems to be a lot of new entrants into the rapidly growing sim racing market that appear to want a slice of the pie, but are not prepared to engineer their products to an acceptable degree. Actually looking at this they didn't engineer it, they just slapped some metal tubes together and hoped they could sell it.
LOL my next level racing GT Lite is more solid than that thing. My GT Lite doesn't wobble even quarter as bad as that and the pedal tray is solid in my GT Lite. Which costs half the price.
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Outshine have been in touch and they have dropped the price, but more importantly are taking feedback and going to release a version 2.0 with all the issues fixed! :D
Nice! I have almost the same rig, it's called Svive d1 racing over here in Norway. I have lots of things to say about the rig. I'll start with the things I like:
-It was affordable, about 320£ with the shifter arm.
-I like the seat, it fits me well and is comfortable for me.
-It doesn't look bad.
-It was pretty easy to set up.
The things I don't like:
-It flexes a good bit everywhere, and I would not recommend using load cell pedals.
-Almost no options for expansions to the rig.
-Shifter arm has to be tightened REALLY hard to make it not wobble, just like the rig you reviewed.
As soon as I can afford it I'm buying a aluminium rig. Trak Racer TR120 looks like a good rig for me.
That's so good for a company of any kind to take on the criticism of Joe Public, but to answer to that so quickly is brilliant. But let's see how much they take on board
I like the look of the rig. Awesome to see them taking feedback constructivly, hopefully they will mod v1 to 2.0 quickly. That flex was unaceptable.
To save the overbored shifter arm mount holes, a bushing could be used. Full holes in the seat pan with proper bolt/washer/washer/lock nut setup would solve the seat mount issue. A secondary frame under the pedal tray for support, and 4 points of contact between pedal tray and main frame would solve the pedal flex. Bracing the wheel stand at 6 points of contact vs 2 would help the "Outshine" live up to its name.
They don't need to drop the price. What they need to do is pull it off the market and totally redesign it, while offering full refunds to those who bought this piece of scrap metal.
Do you recommend a cockpit to suit adults and children with easy adjusting options for driver heights. Midrange price
Regards
Great review as always Karl. My decade old GT Omega Wheelstand Classic with a little bit of bracing has less wobble in it than that full rig. You have to wonder did anyone in the company actually sit in it and test it before signing off on the design.
I honestly don't think much R&D or testing was done.
Thanks Karl for the review! Really helpful as was considering this seat.. might wait for 2.0
Glad it was helpful!
Bro, I like your channel very much. Your video is really practical for me, and it is very close to the actual situation!
Damn, I was looking at this for my rig like a month ago, back and forth messages with the company, they had no videos to show me properly, but what they did it just looked incredibly small. And now this review, I'm incredibly happy I didn't go with them and waste £450 on them..
They did give me a 10% off discount code too. So, shoulda known then..
EDIT: Out of curiosity I checked their webpage for the rig, and noticed a 5 star review on there with a picture.
That review, I am assuming is not legit, its the same setup that they sent me when I asked about it, including the one and only video of it.
What did you get instead?
Nice to see another video Karl. Thank you for the honest and thorough review, as always.
Always mate.
Nice, honest review Karl, thanks as always. Just wanted to say, my GT Omega Titan (bought earlier this year) pedal tray is reinforced with box section underside so no noticable flex there. Expect they improved on the original design following reviews/feedback.
Ahh thats great to hear then! :D
Another brilliantly honest review Karl, that’s why you’re one of the best on TH-cam 👍🏻
Much appreciated mate thanks!
Thanks for the review, I was about to buy this, but was worried about flex. Boy, am I glad I found this video.
¿Cual has comprado al final?
It’s great that you put out genuine reviews. So many channels now are just YES men/women to the point you are just watching and advert.
Hi Karl, thanks for your videos. I bought the Next level racing Wheel stand 2.0 thanks to your helpful review
No problem mate, glad you find them helpful.
I wish I had a time lapsed Karl to build every flat pack item I buy. I don't see the problem with all that wobble as someone who can't afford a motion system I would just wobble the monitor for immersion.
Time lapsed Karls are hard to come by, if you do find one prices are silly high too! lol Sounds like a great solution!
Why did they not use the same type of spacers that the TV stand uses to connect to the main frame!
Thank you saved a lot of people a lot of money with this review.
A fold out table and deck chair would be more sturdy… how did that even make it into production.
This looks great, still watching now. The seat looks exactly like my NR-G seat I purchased from Amazon. Right down to the seat belt gaurd in bottom of the seat having lots of play.
I got a very similar rig, its called a OPLITE GTR S3, unfortunately without a TV stand, but for a price of 300 quid, so im very happy
and definetely it is not wobbling so much. the wheel section is built a bit different
Ooft, that is damning! Hope they take the feedback and improve it. Any chance you could review the Monkey Driver cockpit? Looks interesting
They are doing exactly that mate!
Thats too much money for me to buy in just for review mate, I'm only a small channel sorry.
@@KarlGosling no worries Karl that’s totally fair! We need them to send you one 😬👍🏻
@@KarlGosling When are they releasing the new version?
lol you got my cockpit, its alright, does the job but i do have to put books under the pedal tray so it doesnt flex from my simforge pedals, i also had to get adapter so i can use both shifter and handbrake, i also managed to bolt in my simagic alpha mini via two bolts instead of 4, seems sturdy like that anyway, and i had to lift up the plate all the way up to barely make it face me right, i dont have that flex though, damn someting aint right with yours, mine is stiff, to clarify we have the same design, not the same band so maybe thats why mine doesnt flex
And whats the brand of yours?
@@MrRiingo mine is made and sold only in israel, doesnt a name
I have basically the same rig. It's called Svive racing d1 over here in Norway. Flexes like crazy.
Ive been using the F-GT rig for over 3 yrs now and i had to put strutts in to strengthen the wheel deck and its as solid as ANY rig out there, my only problem is its not a very comfy seat.
Im upgrading to the F-GT elite or maybe the V-rig next yr! ✊🏻✌🏻💙
Thanks for the honest review Karl, you'd think manufacturers would reach out to someone like you BEFORE they put something on general sale! A little bit of feedback and then adjustment to the product and hopefully they could release something worthy of a mid range price. Still it's not the first company new to sim racing to do that and they won't be the last, I read somewhere that the early NLR products were a bit ropey but I've bought the F-GT elite. So there is hope for these brands yet if they can take constructive criticism and use it to their's and everyone elses benefit.
NLR products are still ropey.. just check their latest product, the motion plus tested by boosted media , wobbling from side to side.
@@tomsawyer2112 NLR don't really make that gear it's kind of a under license deal from a well respected full motion systems specialist. I think you missed the overall tone of the review from Will as generally he was fairly happy with it but of course it is a step down than what he is used to.
@@barry-clark what are you talking about`? They sell it under their brand...
Thank you for this. You just saved me a bucket of money
I mean, as long as they're taking feedback, ideal. But you'll think they'll take feedback before product is sold to the public. A company trying to get into the market without any real market research, if they really want to try and capture some of this market share, i'm sure they'll go and research and make a better product and maybe we'll actually have an alternative to existing setups which would be nice.
I bought this rig and I have a bit different impression. In Poland this stuff is being sailed under brand Nano RS. This which I received was quite stiff. Only shifter mount needed some tweaks to reduce play. But honestly I can say that it was good buy.
Too many companies what to jump on the sim racing bandwagon without putting in the R&D and making a good product. They then stick a high price tag in the hope people will just buy it 🙄
Sheeesh I got the GTOmega classic and it has structure and way less wobble than this whole cockpit.
Thanks for the honest review Karl. Another good review.
No problem 👍
great video, my trak racer dd1 wheel deck came in chipped aswell as scratched, so even for a company that makes good rigs you can expect some sort of quality issues
Pretty shocking… glad they are doing the right thing on this rig in the future though Karl, thanks to your review… just imagine the disappointment if you bought one to then experience this ‘feature’…
IMO all you'd need is a pair of steel bracing straps and removing the plastic spacers to make it more solid, hell even adding some washers where the 2 frames bolt together would remove most of the flex cause the pics on their site just show the bolt connecting them but no support there at all, it looks like there's just one plastic insert per side so it creates a fulcrum just making the wobble much, MUCH worse.
Maybe you could move the plastic spacer to right beside the bolt holes and get more rigidity?
I'd avoid the monitor mount full stop though, just to stop any flex in the frame causing the monitor to wobble, which makes me wanna puke.
If I didn't have a cockpit I'd seriously consider this, without the shifter mount and monitor stand, cause the flex can be sorted easily enough with a modicum of common sense...
Notice also how the whole thing actually flexes in the middle where it joins the back half too!
@@KarlGosling ouch!
Just finished, great review mate. 😎👍
Cheers!
Thanks for the review, saved me from buying this after seeing this review. I'm going to get the sim hound rig and a gt omega seat with a wall mount for my monitor so in total 500 quid for a aluminium profile rig adjustable chair and adjustable monitor mount. Bit of a better option in comparison to this if you ask me.
Sounds like a decent setup mate yes.
Thank you for calling out the bad ones when you have to. Outshine - back to the drawing board.
Just now put this together and I have no flex at all or wobble but can't say about the shifter arm as didn't get that
Looks almost identical to my tube rig. I don't like it. Flexes like crazy everywhere, no option to use both a shifter and handbrake at the same time. Ok edit: Mine does not flex that much on the wheelbase, it still flexes a bit but not nearly that much.
Would be a bit more informative if you told us which tube rig you run mate.
@@Thisonegoestoeleven666 It's a generic tube rig. Only sold in Norway. It's not the GT Omega Titan so it doesn't matter what it is called. But it's the Svive d1 racing btw.
@@haraldjohansen1867 Thanks mate. Knowledge is consumer power!
I don't get why companies release kit that is not up to scratch. You can tell right away that that cockpit will have a ton of flex. Bracing would obviously help but they must have known KG was going to be honest about it. Just a look at other reviews would tell that he says how it is
I'm guessing they didn't know how bad it was?!
@@KarlGosling Knowing the market and whats out there and seeing how you review items would be a start. The people that sent you it, can't be into sims or they would know about the flex. I'm a novice but even i knew what was going to happen. Keep up the good work.
Glad I watched this as i was about to buy one to replace my playseat challenge, which actually wobbles less than this. What’s the best seat at this price point?
GT Omega Titan would be my choice mate!
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ill buy this when your ready to sell haha not a bad starting point coming from adx firebase
Did anyone ever find the 2.0 version of this cockpit? Love the way it looks but that flex seems terrible!
Thanks!
Funny that if I try hard I would find a car that have 4 seats wheel , chasi , and engine so I can run , in similar price . It's just blowing my mind how much Fev pipes can cost if they placed in certain category .
I'm amazed this got into the wild. It actually looks as bad if not worse than the ADX abomination you reviewed a while back. Even the old Playseat Evo looks more stable than this and that is saying something.
When is the version 2.0 coming out?
No idea mate, I've had no more communication from them.
Looked so sturdy and solid until you started shaking the whole setup, this rig needs a fastening point to a wall behind and a wood plank underneath pedals and that is wierd to fix then you spend 400$ on the product and expecting it to work
You were like i need some speakers so i better get some small ones ? 😂 I had the same ones i believe like 20 or 25 years ago. Not really the warmest sound but they packed a punch.
Classic early 90's Jamo's! :D
Hey man I was wondering if you could give me some advice. I currently use the gt lite cockpit and I am pretty knew to SIM racing. Do you recommend I upgrade my hardware (wheel, shifter etc.) Or should I focus on a more sturdy cockpit first (Omega art etc.)?
Cockpit first IMO mate as that is what everything bolts to and is your base, no point putting amazing DD wheel base on a wobbly cockpit for example.
Thanks for the great review You made me decide not to buy it I was just about to buy this setup thank you 👌
No problem 👍
Can you test the Oplite GTR S3 Ultimate?
Hi Karl. Any chance of a review on a Si Turnbull rig, please ?
Not a bad idea, they do seem very popular!
@@KarlGosling they do....and before I buy one I'd like your opinion....we did have mutual friends before I moved away from Suffolk....but didn't know you personally.....shame
Real shame about the flex, looked like a nice cockpit otherwise.
If you were just getting into sim racing but wasn't sure if you were going to stick with the hobby yet, what cockpit would you choose?
GT Omega ART is probably the best value for money at the entry level.
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The forest green which is a rebrand of some other thing that looks like a gt3 is better than that and 200 pounds cheaper
Karl, I disagree that these rigs are not designed for full power wheel bases like the DD1 and pedals like the Sprints. They're full frame kits and I want to see if they can hold up like they're supposed to.
Price point puts it mid tier, but these days a GT Omega Prime Lite is unbeatable for performance and price.
It's a brilliant set up I've had many I recommend this
Is the Wobble fixxed?
@@0luc83 yes
Any idea how they fixed the flex? I have this rig on order at the moment and I'm already thinking about returning it when I get it
Have to appreciate that you have integrity in not recommending this. Makes the ones that you do recommend even more attractive.
I've been looking at the Treq 1, have you looked at it? Seems to be a Gt1 evo with a profile pedal tray
I have got the tgt2 and I am not sure if I should get this rig because the wheel deck looks really small, do you think this is an issue
what size pipe is it made of? how thick?
have you thought of the wobble may be due to having a bulky and heavy steering wheel ?
This is a CSL DD, a small light wheel base! For it's price it should be able to handle that all day long as others in this bracket can and do, the GT Omega Titan or Sim Hound cockpits for example.
Hi, I'm watching your simulator videos, could you tell me which one you recommend: playseat trophy, oplite gtr S3 or Omega gt? thank you so much
Gt Omega.
Are you going to review MOZA SRP pedals?
Only if I buy a set in.
Thats more wobble than my playseat challenge lol
Found this new for 210 pound, is it worth it?
For that price, maybe mate.
I like those round corners. I hate accidentally walk into those sharps corners edge.
cheers for the honest opinion.
No worries mate.
There is an easy fix! screw it to the wall! ;-)
Looks very similar doesn't it!
That is truly awful. How on earth did this get the green light to be produced, and why was it not tested at the prototype stage, assuming there was one, which doesn't look likely given the state of it.
There seems to be a lot of new entrants into the rapidly growing sim racing market that appear to want a slice of the pie, but are not prepared to engineer their products to an acceptable degree. Actually looking at this they didn't engineer it, they just slapped some metal tubes together and hoped they could sell it.
At least the Mrs kept her tv
She did! lol
Do these people not test their equipment. I own the GT Omega Titan and while it has some limitations, it is brilliant. This rig is a bit of a joke.
It doesn't look like it.
Looks like a cheap rip-off of the Trak Racer TR8. I have the TR8 and it's a rock solid rig
LOL my next level racing GT Lite is more solid than that thing. My GT Lite doesn't wobble even quarter as bad as that and the pedal tray is solid in my GT Lite. Which costs half the price.
this looks almost identical to the OPLITE GTR S3 lmao but worse
shit.... i just took delivery of one
Oh!
I get the impression that you were not impressed mate.
I was not! lol