As someone originally from the UK, where 98% of vehicles are stick shift, the “lifting collar” method of going into reverse is has been commonly used by a number of manufacturers since the mid 80’s. It’s a stroke of genius by Simagic as it virtually eliminates erroneous shifts into reverse. For sure, this bad boy is on my purchase list.
I'll agree that the lift collar reverse is quite familiar to people who've used gearboxes from the likes of Vauxhall and even some Ford's of the 90s. I'll disagree however that 98% of all cars on the UK roads being manual THESE DAYS though. With EVs and premium marques becoming very very common on the road i'd propose the market share of autos has increased massively in the last 10 years
My WRX had a collar lockout for reverse. I don't think it's normal for a car to have a lockout for any of the forward gears. Admittedly, I've never owned or driven a manual car with more than 6 forward gears though.
Some more modern Subarus have them, I've never been in older ones so I don't know. I know 80s corvettes have them too and they're great for me keeping my dumb ass out of reverse on the highway
FYI all Simagic Shifters, Handbrakes wheels and pedals will work on Playstation 4 and 5 with the purchase of their Sigma Cortex adapter. I use a Simagic M10 with P2000 Pedals on PS5 with the adapter and it's really amazing.
I've had this shifter for just over 4 months now and I can tell you I agree with everything in this review. As an H-Pattern shifter it is excellent! Solid tactile feel throughout no matter what resistance you have it at. Slides easily into each gear. Rarely do I blow a shift. The Sequential option is great for a 2 in one solution. Especially for the price. It does the job. However, if you want a real solid "chonk" feel when shifting it's not going to do the trick. You really can 't dial up the tension without it sticking so the tactile feel is a little light. Being I like the "chonk" I'm probably going to go with a Q1 or Q1s to take on the sequential duties. Great shifter over all though. I believe worth the money comparable to others in the price/quality range.
How has the ds-8x held up for you? Currently looking into other options after my HGP died, curious about longevity. Any concerns you have with it? Pros and cons?
I installed mine today. (I was done waiting for Logi to release a Pro shifter). I upgraded from an SSH shifter. The SSH shifter is a good shifter for the money, but this one is on another level (or 3). Both sequential and h pattern shifting is so solid and clunky, love it! Build quality is absolutely amazing. I also love how gear 7 and R are blocked..no more accidental shifts to 7th gear like with the SSH.
The lift up mechanism is great. I find it very hard to get into reverse on the Fanatec one and 7th is even more awkward when you want to shift smothly. Still better than the Thrustmaster one without a lock.
yea in germany there are three types of manuals i believe. pulling up the shaft, pushing down and for third theres also pressing to the left and then pressing through the block to get into reverse (some bmw's have this) @@OCRacing
@@OCRacing sadly as-is the case in the US. We're one of the few countries that doesn't teach how to drive a manual unless you go out of your way to learn.
These videos are amazing quality. The B-roll cinematography and editing is top notch. Awesome to be seeing this type of quality in the sim racing community.
DS-8X is amazing shifter. I bought the simagic carbon shift knob which was pretty cheap and looks good as I didn’t like the one that it came with I found it to be to oversized and a long straight stick knob off of Amazon for sequential mode.
About 90% of cars I've driven feature a lift up collar, like in the video, to get reverse. Only a very few cars I've encountered need a "push down" to engage reverse, In fact thinking about it Ford is the only manufacturer that needs a "push down", at least here in the "Drivers that can drive" territories.
I have this same shifter just got it love it so far I also made bigger mounting holes to the bottom plate so no need for the bracket and is much more solid in my opinion
Have you ever heard of the SRT gearbox ? This is one of the best sim racing shifter, fully adjustable, very fairly priced, but you have to build it yourself, since the creator doesn't sell it fully assemble for now, i finished building mine 1 week ago and i'm blown by the feeling it can be mounted from the bottom and side, offered LHS and RHS version, and some really cool mod, like clutch, block shifting if the clutch is not pressed for the price, it can range from 130€ to maximum 200€ depending if you already have some parts
I'll let you know I'm using a full simagic setup: alpha mini, p1000, ds-8x and the new hydraulic handbrake they just dropped, on my PS5 with GT7. It's far more fun than my old T248. You need a Sigma Cortex which I sure is sold by Simagic is all but name, in case they get sued. It's about half the per-device licensing fee for PS5 capable devices at $115 and tricks your PS5 into thinking its a G29 (I think, I'm still working this out). There are a multitude of adjustments you can make on the device to tune it on its little screen. You might want to check it out though it only works with simagic devices so you need to be in the ecosystem and have the can-bus to run all devices thru their wheel base. Still cheaper than paying the ridiculous upcharge for PS5 licensed products, of which there are few at Simagic level of quality. That $150 (for the can-bus and cortex) means I can play any simcade or simulation game available atm, well worth the cost.
My Kia Stonic has this very same gearbox layout, with 6 gears and reverse in the same place. I've the DS-8X and feels fairly ok as an H-pattern (but I find myself mishifting 3rd gear at times), sequential feels a bit rigid and bit too slow (possibly it would feel more up to the task with the long vertical knob). Overall a very good product, not surely on the cheap entry level tier.
2:12 this is something that some real life cars use, it's not a race car but I've driven a Hyundai Accent with that style of lockout for reverse and 1st gear. Personally that's the only car I've seen with a pull up lockout but I'm sure there's plenty of other cars that have used something similar.
Short shifters like coolerworx's aftermarket shifter work the same way with reverse. You lift the gate and slide over past 1st and push up to get into 'R'. Just like your video
I have this shifter, and I am annoyed with the resistance ajustment, but I saw a sollution while watching your video, a 3D printed hex-knob and leave it in the adjuster. Then I dont need to figure out where I put that allen key each time.
I'll have to wait for the fanatec comparison vid. Since I have the fanatec shifter but H pattern feels a little sloppy to me no matter how much resistance I add
@@OCRacing I can’t wait to get started building it and get working on settings/calibration but because it’s going behind the bar in my basement I need to set up the monitor stand first. That should be arriving in January sometime. In the meantime I think I can get started inverting my p1000s and putting the haptics on them.
my 65 alfa 105 uses the lift on the gear shirt for reverse ,but my ferrari uses the gated shifter with the push down reverse, so i think the gated shifter with dog leg 1st gear would be more authentic in my opinion
You have just convinced me not to get this. Way too expensive. For that price, it shouldn't have any issues. I would rather buy the Moza H-Shifter and Moza Sequential shifter as a combo. Still cheaper and I will enjoy it just as much.
BDH is great but extremely expensive, the DS-8X provides still a very good shifting experience with the added sequential bonus, so I would go with it when considering the cost
Are you aware of any other sq/H shifters. I play a lot of wrc and it requires the ability to switch between h pattern and sq all the time. I would imagine then that this is the best option
Ask pxn to send you a pxn v99 snd review as it pxn new budget wheel with pedals wheel and shifter snd i review of it would be great to see how it compares to pxn v10 please also amazing video
It doesn't come anywhere near either in terms of feel or build quality. With BDH launching their new dual mode shifter any day now, it's going to be interesting
@laurencetalman no, its 2900 and some change, got the bill and teeth to prove it. It's nothing, it makes 0 difference, 10%, 20% would make a difference. 3% or 5% might as well just keep it.
You must be a little kid who has never driven a real vehicle before when it comes to cars almost 85% of them manuals are pull up to get into reverse like what ? Have you never driven a real car ?
The Chevrolet Cobalts, and some of the Corvettes (as far as I know, I've never even been inside a Vette) have the same reverse lockout method. My dad told me the first time he test drove a Corvette it took him a minute to figure out how to get into reverse.
LOL I took a Chevy Aveo for a test drive years ago and the GF and I couldn't figure out the reverse lockout. Ended up just getting out and pushing it backwards to get going again after pulling into a parking lot.
@@elbowsout6301 Here's my idea. If any dealership gets a manual transmission car with some kind of lockout on reverse gear, any salesman should know, and tell any customer who wants to test drive. "Hey Jim, the Chevy Cobalt has a reverse gear lockout. If anyone wants to test drive it, tell them. I can help them if they can't figure it out."
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@@sprocket5526 i do got em, dunno if they are functional
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As someone originally from the UK, where 98% of vehicles are stick shift, the “lifting collar” method of going into reverse is has been commonly used by a number of manufacturers since the mid 80’s. It’s a stroke of genius by Simagic as it virtually eliminates erroneous shifts into reverse. For sure, this bad boy is on my purchase list.
I'll agree that the lift collar reverse is quite familiar to people who've used gearboxes from the likes of Vauxhall and even some Ford's of the 90s. I'll disagree however that 98% of all cars on the UK roads being manual THESE DAYS though. With EVs and premium marques becoming very very common on the road i'd propose the market share of autos has increased massively in the last 10 years
@@craig855s That doesn’t surprise me. I’ve obviously been stateside for too long!!!!
My WRX had a collar lockout for reverse. I don't think it's normal for a car to have a lockout for any of the forward gears. Admittedly, I've never owned or driven a manual car with more than 6 forward gears though.
All modern Jeep stick shifts also use the lifting collar reverse lockout method.
Some more modern Subarus have them, I've never been in older ones so I don't know. I know 80s corvettes have them too and they're great for me keeping my dumb ass out of reverse on the highway
FYI all Simagic Shifters, Handbrakes wheels and pedals will work on Playstation 4 and 5 with the purchase of their Sigma Cortex adapter. I use a Simagic M10 with P2000 Pedals on PS5 with the adapter and it's really amazing.
I've had this shifter for just over 4 months now and I can tell you I agree with everything in this review. As an H-Pattern shifter it is excellent! Solid tactile feel throughout no matter what resistance you have it at. Slides easily into each gear. Rarely do I blow a shift. The Sequential option is great for a 2 in one solution. Especially for the price. It does the job. However, if you want a real solid "chonk" feel when shifting it's not going to do the trick. You really can 't dial up the tension without it sticking so the tactile feel is a little light. Being I like the "chonk" I'm probably going to go with a Q1 or Q1s to take on the sequential duties. Great shifter over all though. I believe worth the money comparable to others in the price/quality range.
How has the ds-8x held up for you? Currently looking into other options after my HGP died, curious about longevity. Any concerns you have with it? Pros and cons?
My Volvo S40 from 1999 has this pull up to engage reverse function! So it does exist in real life and it works a charm!
That's because you have a Renault gearbox and shifter in your Volvo 😊
I installed mine today. (I was done waiting for Logi to release a Pro shifter). I upgraded from an SSH shifter. The SSH shifter is a good shifter for the money, but this one is on another level (or 3). Both sequential and h pattern shifting is so solid and clunky, love it! Build quality is absolutely amazing. I also love how gear 7 and R are blocked..no more accidental shifts to 7th gear like with the SSH.
many cars have a reverse lockout like that and its great
Good to know!
The lift up mechanism is great. I find it very hard to get into reverse on the Fanatec one and 7th is even more awkward when you want to shift smothly. Still better than the Thrustmaster one without a lock.
Pulling the shaft for reverse is normal (as is pushing down) depends on the car
Interesting! Manual cars aren’t as common where I live so I’m yet to come across one
Jeep Gladiator is a good example of pulling up on the ring for reverse. Hop in and give it a go.
Great videos. Keep up the excellent content!
yea in germany there are three types of manuals i believe. pulling up the shaft, pushing down and for third theres also pressing to the left and then pressing through the block to get into reverse (some bmw's have this) @@OCRacing
There are also manuals where you have the reverse where you would have 6th in cases of a 5 gear gearbox, toyota t25 for example
@@OCRacing sadly as-is the case in the US. We're one of the few countries that doesn't teach how to drive a manual unless you go out of your way to learn.
These videos are amazing quality. The B-roll cinematography and editing is top notch. Awesome to be seeing this type of quality in the sim racing community.
Cheers mate :)
DS-8X is amazing shifter. I bought the simagic carbon shift knob which was pretty cheap and looks good as I didn’t like the one that it came with I found it to be to oversized and a long straight stick knob off of Amazon for sequential mode.
these reviews just get better and better
Thank you! 🤝
About 90% of cars I've driven feature a lift up collar, like in the video, to get reverse. Only a very few cars I've encountered need a "push down" to engage reverse, In fact thinking about it Ford is the only manufacturer that needs a "push down", at least here in the "Drivers that can drive" territories.
I have this same shifter just got it love it so far I also made bigger mounting holes to the bottom plate so no need for the bracket and is much more solid in my opinion
Have you ever heard of the SRT gearbox ?
This is one of the best sim racing shifter, fully adjustable, very fairly priced, but you have to build it yourself, since the creator doesn't sell it fully assemble for now, i finished building mine 1 week ago and i'm blown by the feeling
it can be mounted from the bottom and side, offered LHS and RHS version, and some really cool mod, like clutch, block shifting if the clutch is not pressed
for the price, it can range from 130€ to maximum 200€ depending if you already have some parts
This or the Moza shifter for just H-pattern performance?
This question needs to be answered
That stuck sequential mode is a perfect feature for Crazy Taxi. 😅
Just fyi, most fords have a pull up on the shifter for reverse so it’s pretty common.
Worth every penny and we need more higher end products as such.
The kia soul has a similar reverse lockout. I drove one once to learn manual
A lot of cars use this mechanism im learning!
I used to have a Renault Clio with the ring pull to access reverse. This makes me so happy to see lol
That’s awesome haha!
I'll let you know I'm using a full simagic setup: alpha mini, p1000, ds-8x and the new hydraulic handbrake they just dropped, on my PS5 with GT7. It's far more fun than my old T248. You need a Sigma Cortex which I sure is sold by Simagic is all but name, in case they get sued. It's about half the per-device licensing fee for PS5 capable devices at $115 and tricks your PS5 into thinking its a G29 (I think, I'm still working this out). There are a multitude of adjustments you can make on the device to tune it on its little screen. You might want to check it out though it only works with simagic devices so you need to be in the ecosystem and have the can-bus to run all devices thru their wheel base. Still cheaper than paying the ridiculous upcharge for PS5 licensed products, of which there are few at Simagic level of quality. That $150 (for the can-bus and cortex) means I can play any simcade or simulation game available atm, well worth the cost.
My Kia Stonic has this very same gearbox layout, with 6 gears and reverse in the same place.
I've the DS-8X and feels fairly ok as an H-pattern (but I find myself mishifting 3rd gear at times), sequential feels a bit rigid and bit too slow (possibly it would feel more up to the task with the long vertical knob).
Overall a very good product, not surely on the cheap entry level tier.
The GR86 and BRZ has thus pull up access for the reverse feature
2:12 this is something that some real life cars use, it's not a race car but I've driven a Hyundai Accent with that style of lockout for reverse and 1st gear. Personally that's the only car I've seen with a pull up lockout but I'm sure there's plenty of other cars that have used something similar.
Short shifters like coolerworx's aftermarket shifter work the same way with reverse. You lift the gate and slide over past 1st and push up to get into 'R'. Just like your video
What a nice shifter 😊, on the topic off lifting the shaft to access reverse, in real life Saab also used this mechanism to get into reverse
2:10 my old Audi TT from 1999 had the same thing :) you had to pull up this thing before you could shift into reverse
2:06 The new Ford Bronco (Manual) requires you to pull the shaft to get into reverse.
Subarus and Focus STs and newer mustangs use a pull collar lockout in my experience
My focus ST shifter works the same way by lifting it up and putting it where first is.
I have this shifter, and I am annoyed with the resistance ajustment, but I saw a sollution while watching your video, a 3D printed hex-knob and leave it in the adjuster.
Then I dont need to figure out where I put that allen key each time.
2:12 my friend has a 2020 corolla hatch, and it has a reverse lockout same as this shifter
Sick! I wanted a Corolla hatch for a while
WRX's and Evo's have a similar reverse lockout! P.S time for you to try the Jinx sequential shifter!
My Saab 9-3 Aero gear shift works with a pull up to go into reverse!
My old Ford Contour had a pull up for reverse if I remember right.
I'll have to wait for the fanatec comparison vid. Since I have the fanatec shifter but H pattern feels a little sloppy to me no matter how much resistance I add
Will you do a review on the Logitech g pro wheel and pedals?
Unlikely, never heard anything from them and won’t buy it myself
@@OCRacing ok if you here anything let me know please
I have this in a box in my basement right now. Still waiting on all the parts for my rig to arrive.
My patience could never
@@OCRacing I can’t wait to get started building it and get working on settings/calibration but because it’s going behind the bar in my basement I need to set up the monitor stand first. That should be arriving in January sometime. In the meantime I think I can get started inverting my p1000s and putting the haptics on them.
Well i bought the Fanatec Shifter for 159,95€ with the USB adapter included on black friday, dunno if the Simagic one could beat that :D
AFAIK some of the older Hyundais also had similar reverse lockout.
you should keep the train going and get a frex h pattern.. that is the SRG #2 shifter behind quife prosim
my 65 alfa 105 uses the lift on the gear shirt for reverse ,but my ferrari uses the gated shifter with the push down reverse, so i think the gated shifter with dog leg 1st gear would be more authentic in my opinion
This vs the VNM Shifter V1 would be a better comparaison.
Did yours just mount to the Simlab chasis or did you but the shifter mount?
I think I don’t have that kind of money for a shifter.. Good vid oc!
I’m still waiting for this vs the fanatec shifter video
So I would need to connect this to my pc if I am using the csl dd right?
These reviews are so addicting to watch
I have one coming today. can't wait to try it out! oh Lotus has the pull up lock out. 😁
I’m learning that apparently a lot of cars use this mechanism, never knew for some reason
That lift reverse is very commin in europe. And in us, the mitsu eclipse and the mustangs have them
I expect it to be better than the ClubSport shifter, however the Simagic is more than 1.5 times more expensive.
Toyota CHR has the shaft pull thing for the reverse gear!
You have just convinced me not to get this. Way too expensive. For that price, it shouldn't have any issues. I would rather buy the Moza H-Shifter and Moza Sequential shifter as a combo. Still cheaper and I will enjoy it just as much.
Is this shifter better then the VNM shifter?
for the money would you rather have the Simagic DS-8X or the BDH shifter?
BDH is great but extremely expensive, the DS-8X provides still a very good shifting experience with the added sequential bonus, so I would go with it when considering the cost
@@OCRacing thank you! Will pick up the simagic one for now until I am a better racer before considering the BDH!
Are you aware of any other sq/H shifters. I play a lot of wrc and it requires the ability to switch between h pattern and sq all the time.
I would imagine then that this is the best option
Your best option would be the SHH shifter, or fanatec one
Subaru 6 speed gearboxes have the same style lock out, hope this helps lol
Plenty of real lift manual shifters have a lift to reverse.
Fanatec Clubsport DD review is getting closer 😅
Nice vid and editing
If anyone is wondering, if the "pull up" reverse actually is in any real car, it's in a Fiat 500
That's the only one "I" know of.
2:15 the 1994 corvette zr1 goes into reverse like that
It’s impossible to turn to the right… or the left. It’s either clockwise or counter clockwise.
My Subaru sti had a shifter like this as well as my jeep Rubicon. Don't know of any vehicles with this. Dude.
Based on the comment at 2:15 i belive OC Racing is 99% from the USA. (Which is not a problem ofc)
there is a few IRL cars that use the pull for reverse
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Pretty sure some of the suburu's use that lift system to go into reverse
Ask pxn to send you a pxn v99 snd review as it pxn new budget wheel with pedals wheel and shifter snd i review of it would be great to see how it compares to pxn v10 please also amazing video
How does it compare to pro sim & bdh shifters?
It doesn't come anywhere near either in terms of feel or build quality. With BDH launching their new dual mode shifter any day now, it's going to be interesting
Review the moza shifter
I did!
2:14 my ranauld cangoo has it (2002)
$389??? it better be good.
99% part hurts, but can live with it, as you know, Ps5 user here 😅
😭😭😭 are you planning on ever switching?
@@OCRacing Nop 😊
Every Subie manual reverse gear is like that
Clubsport dd review day 2
Man I need a PC☃️👍
Sell your truck and buy one! 😂
I’ll wait for the aliexpress knockoff version as its too much money
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I need this
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3%? Lol.
That's like my dentist giving me 5% discount on an $80,000 bill lol bruh 😂
I mean that'd still be 4k...? Better something than nothing aha
@laurencetalman no, its 2900 and some change, got the bill and teeth to prove it.
It's nothing, it makes 0 difference, 10%, 20% would make a difference. 3% or 5% might as well just keep it.
Better than nothing lol!!
@@laurencetalmanlegit 😂
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lol, those were around when your parents went to high school
You must be a little kid who has never driven a real vehicle before when it comes to cars almost 85% of them manuals are pull up to get into reverse like what ? Have you never driven a real car ?
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Toooooooo pricey for me I’ll pass
Fair enough
Thrustmaster TH8A >
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Interesting
@@OCRacing yes I did
Fanatec shifter is better
Oh no, we have a fanatec meat rider
Unfortunately, not.
@@mrtakeaminute6815 I own a simagic wheel base :)
The Chevrolet Cobalts, and some of the Corvettes (as far as I know, I've never even been inside a Vette) have the same reverse lockout method. My dad told me the first time he test drove a Corvette it took him a minute to figure out how to get into reverse.
LOL I took a Chevy Aveo for a test drive years ago and the GF and I couldn't figure out the reverse lockout. Ended up just getting out and pushing it backwards to get going again after pulling into a parking lot.
@@elbowsout6301
Here's my idea. If any dealership gets a manual transmission car with some kind of lockout on reverse gear, any salesman should know, and tell any customer who wants to test drive. "Hey Jim, the Chevy Cobalt has a reverse gear lockout. If anyone wants to test drive it, tell them. I can help them if they can't figure it out."