Anthony Howard - At the end, Enoch Powell was a very unhappy fellow (34/41)
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The prominent British political observer, Anthony Howard (1934-2010) reported on global political issues for over 40 years for 'The Guardian', 'The Sunday Times' and 'The Observer', and was editor of the 'New Statesman' and 'The Listener'. He received a CBE in 1997. [Listener: Christopher Sykes; date recorded: 2008]
TRANSCRIPT: And of course, he's told us himself, and this did show great candour, that when Ted lost the election in 1974, for some reason, apparently, he'd gone to bed early. This is the story he used to tell, maybe it's true or not, but he sort of woke up to learn the news, and it might have gone on all night, anyway, because the Labour majority was tiny, four seats or something, Wilson had won that election by... and found from his 'Times' newspaper, whatever paper he bought, that the Tories had effectively lost the election. And he said that he went up to the bathroom and he lay in the bath and he sang the 'Te Deum'. Well, it's a very odd thing to me. Nominally, then, he was still a member of the Conservative Party. But no, he was a bit cranky, it has to be said.
And then of course the... I think the poison chalice. That having refused to stand in the '74 election and played footsie with the Labour Party over timing when he was going to make his speeches and all that, which made me very unhappy at the time, I remember. I didn't think it was [unclear], I think Joe Haines was the go-between, with that strange man called Alexander who writes for the 'Daily Mail', who was a great supporter of Enoch's. And they, sort of, were the point of contact about the planning and timing and all that. But a very distasteful thing to do. But then he found himself out on a limb, and so when the chance came of becoming an Ulster Unionist MP, he took it. I don't want to be rude about the Ulster Unionists today, who hardly exist as a party, or indeed necessarily rude about them then, but I think it was Churchill who said once, about somebody who said, well, I could become an Ulster Unionist. Churchill said: 'If you touch pitch, you will be defiled'. And poor Enoch. I mean, he was… there he was with these deadbeats and no-hopers in the Ulster Unionist Party. Here was a man of his tremendous abilities. They wouldn't even make him leader. A Major Molyneaux or something was leader of the party. And I think those years, Member of Parliament for South Down, was… I think they were pretty grim years. And... he liked being back in the House of Commons, that is true, but I think that, you know, he knew that it was all over, that he had blown it. And he wasn't really even determining Ulster Unionist policy, because what he stood for was a kind of unity of the United Kingdom. He would have liked to abolish Stormont for good, have everyone represented in the Imperial Parliament, he probably called it... the old phrase. So he didn't even stand with them. He wasn't in favour of having a parliament at Stormont or this kind of thing. Didn't like it. Didn't like any of that kind of stuff. So he was basically out of sympathy with them. Then he organised one or two odd things, like all that mass resignation that took place at one stage... didn't do any good at all, just wasted a lot of time and money.
I think he was a very unhappy fellow. But of course, even more unhappy when he lost the seat in South Down, which he did eventually. And then he was like a man bereft. Oddly enough, I never really was close to Enoch, but because I used to see her socially at one or two things to do with Rab Butler and stuff, I got on well with his wife, Pamela. And it was Pamela who first said to me... I said, you know, it was after his defeat in the Commons, losing his seat... I said, 'How is Enoch?' And she said, 'He's like a man bereaved. He just doesn't know what to do', she said. I said, 'Well, couldn't they put him in the House of Lords?' She said, 'Well, I don't think Maggie Thatcher will ever do that'. And I think he wouldn't have accepted, to be fair to him. He'd been so rude about life peerages. They'd have had to come up with a hereditary peerage and offered him that. But of course, Thatcher had done that. She'd done it for Whitelaw. She'd done it for the ex-Speaker, hadn't she? Mr Speaker Thomas... Viscount Tonypandy, I think. And so she had done it before, but she wasn't going to do it for Enoch, in my view. And so he never got a peerage at all. I think that was mean. I think he should have. I mean, he was a great student of parliament. He really knew about the history of parliament. And I think not allowing him a peerage in the evening of his days was pretty mean-spirited. [...]
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Imagine him being unhappy, naming his career torpedoed by people who should have backed him up and slowly watching everything he warned about coming true. Must have been hell on earth
There’s a documentary abiut the creation of the EU on “thatcherite Scot” channel where he is almost in tears as an old man talking about it in the documentary. It’s so sad. They knowingly and willingly took away our self government and sovereignty and helped fill our parliament with all pro EU people with all Thatcherites or Powellites practically banned and unable to get a smear of media support because it’s been monopolised by ultra left traitors.
Dear god. You absolute utter crank.
A student of prophecy he measured his influence in decades rather than the next election cycle as did his contemporaries. Until Blair cranked open the floodgates still further, Powell’s demographic calculations dismissed as monstrous alarmism in the 60s, were forensically accurate.
And now nightly, his nation’s capital city is bathed in the rivers of blood, of endless stabbing victims, he prophesied. No one is either mad or stupid enough to genuinely believe that circumstance will get anything but worse; those who pay it any attention at all, chiefly seek to park any and all blame, on the shrinking native population, now an absolute minority in such cities, and the more they dwindle in size the more shrill the blaming of them becomes.
No doubt he was sad because he saw what was coming. He tried to warn people about it and nobody listened. And now we have the united kingdom of pakistan and africa.
@@humanforfreedom9583 Well if this is Brexit then the UK was better off. Going to a food shelf but tasting freedom???? lol
HOW COULD HE NOT BE HEARTBROKEN, ALL HE COULD SEE AND NO ONE WOULD LISTEN 💔 HEARTBREAKING
Heart broken because of his bile and rabid attitude towards with different skin colour and/or faith.
Unfortunately for Powell he lived his adult working majority throughout the post war left wing concensus of 1945-1979. He was too late for Empire, but too early for late Thatcher and the Euroscepticism of the Conservatives.
Great comment
Born to late to colonise, born too early to Thatcherite ;(
Thatcher further dismantled things as far as I can make out. The yuppies were hardly a force for good! All seems to have been lost since the sixties, or perhaps sooner than that?
Enoch Powell was a great man and the greatest Prime Minister Britain never had he would had made Britain great again
As Peter Hitchens pointed out in a recent interview, we've snookered ourselves with what we did to the education system over the past half century or so. Can you imagine this country producing someone like Powell these days? Laughable! It's over. The next time this country will be significant on the world stage will be under a completely different culture altogether.
Millions of English men and women who have lived much of their lives are already unhappy at the state mass immigration has brought us to. We are in decline and our future is rather uncertain, to say the least.
Enoch was my MP in Wolverhampton SW in 1960's and 1970's, a finer constituency MP nobody could have, absolutely brilliant !!!!
You didn’t by chance, fall into conversation with him, on the street, over being unhappy until you’d managed to get all your children moved abroad, with “whip hands” being mentioned?
Just asking...
@@michaeljames4904Don't be stupid, I was 7 at the time so no. It was my Mother who chatted to him, he used to canvass throughout the year.
IAN PAYNE I’m not being ‘stupid,’ sunshine, it’s a good natured reference to what Powell authored as the “Birmingham Speech,” delivered to the Conservative Association there, on April 20th, 1968, now known to history as the _Rivers of Blood Speech,_ his most famous of all... the gravity of whose content *all begins,* with Enoch relating a conversation he’d had, on the street with a Wolverhampton constituent, of the precise kind alluded to above. 🤦🏼♂️
(One of the multiple ongoing bones of contention over that speech, from the moment he sat down after delivering it, being that the Wolverhampton constituent in question, Enoch quoted, responsible for the very first of that speech’s many and crushing choices of phrase, namely, _”In this country, in twenty or thirty years time, the Black man will have the whip hand, over the White man,”_ was *never identified.*
The great man’s remarks then, equally famously/infamously, go on:
_”I can already hear the chorus of execration. How dare I say such a horrible thing? How dare I stir up trouble and inflame feelings by repeating such a conversation? The answer is that I do not have the right not to do so. Here is a decent, ordinary fellow Englishman, who in broad daylight in my own town says to me, his Member of Parliament, that his country will not be worth living in for his children.”_
Powell *always refused* to name the constituent, and the press never succeeded in tracking him down, leading them to dishonestly accuse the MP of making the person up, and inventing deliberately inflammatory language; in effect charging him that the constituent never actually existed. _Geddit?)_
@@michaeljames4904 Michael do you always talk shite - where have I mentioned a street ?
IAN PAYNE Oh sorry, you’re a moron. My mistake.
This guy could eat a tomato through a tennis racket
Looks like a set of bowling pins with the headpin missing from the rack!
Inbred
Anthony Howard claims that Enoch’s unhappiness stems from the day of Indian Independence. Having read various bits about Enoch I would suggest it goes back even earlier. He always claimed that he wanted to have died as a soldier in WW II, he was buried in his army uniform I believe, but due to his fine intellect was transferred into the Army Intelligence and out of the infantry. Something I think he felt tremendous guilt about.
Enoch Powell was a very eccentric character - he was notably odd as a student and wouldn't mix with other students, instead locking himself away in his room. When asked about it later he said that he hadn't been aware that there was anything else to do. When he taught at university, his students used to call him "the textual pervert" because of his somewhat spooky obsessiveness. Many people now believe that he had Asperger's Syndrome. He certainly had a lot of the characteristics.
There is some validity in this claim because Powell originally became an MP with the ultimate aim of being Viceroy of India. He adored the subcontinent and spoke six of its languages fluently, alongside his many others.
T H That is, being blunt, not exactly that eccentric for Cambridge where the workload is quite taxing. Many still do lead just such a student life, unless they happen to be sporty. I went to see a stand up comic there once, at a college event, a chap whose routine clearly involved a lot of audience participation.
He asked the first audience member, how he was enjoying all the boozing and mischief that came with student life... obviously intending to bounce back, with a preprepared routine, on thar topic...
_”I just spend all my time in the library, really,”_ came the answer. The second person he struck up conversation with, gave an identical answer. As did the third... the poor guy bombed.
@@michaeljames4904 wow thats amazing. Did he ever live there?
@@johntate5722I cannot say, but among the many oddities within the ordinances of the University of Cambridge is a rather unique codicil titled “special conditions,” under which any graduate in later life, can submit a volume, published subsequently outside the uni, to being subject to exactly the same hellishly damning critique, by world class academic experts residing there, which ordinary PhD candidate dissertations end up massacred by: in order to be awarded a doctorate themselves, if deemed merited, should the text be thought sufficiently high standard to then be defended successfully, in person, by viva obviously.
This being the means via which the journalist Simon Heffer, acquired his doctorate, for a published biography of J. Enoch Powell - who favoured his middle-name because there was already an established famous Classicist called “John Powell” - I’d therefore very much make that book your own starting point; if thoroughly curious.
Happened to buy the fella lunch once, his pitch-perfect vocal impressions of the politician he knew had me under the table with laughter.
Never mind India, I haven't still got over the loss of the Americas - I will never ever forgive that Lord North !!!!
-.-'
Haha brilliant!
Haha yes
Whereas Anthony Howard was blissfully happy to his last breath?
I don't think I'd be happy for one second if I looked like Howard.
I didn't know any of that. Perhaps the people in Northern Ireland just wanted a local, an Ulsterman, who wanted what they usually wanted. I thought he was all about representing his own?
From what I've heard, Ulster MP's also tended to get government money for various social projects (whether health, education or whatever) and Enoch would have nothing to do with increasing government spending.
The Respected Lex Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain!,Enoch brilliant man sooke14 languages ,Voted most impressive MP by fellow MPs ,great parliamentary MP.Double starred first degree from Cambridge an extremely rare degree!Youngest professor in Commonwealth!Leading Classicist of his generation!Rose from private to Brigadier!Could of received Nobel prize for economics that Friedman got as Enoch espoused it first!In intelligence in Army believed to of got into mind of Rommel better than anyone!An interpreter in Urdu!Warned of Eu undemocratic nonsense and the danger of uncontrolled immigration!,A very special man!
The Ulstermen are British. So Powell was one of their own. Which is why they elected him for like 17 years.
@@raymondhaskin9449 I take the point. But I can't think of any other English MPs representing people in Northern Ireland. Especially these days. Or are there?
@@garethmorris299 I admire his achievements, but he became unpopular.
Who is this man? Surely he wasn’t as close to Enoch as he claims. Even if Enoch was unhappy, could it be due to him seeing the horizon and having his warnings fall on deaf hears. In time, Enoch will be remembered as the man who we ignored to our dismay, a man who will be proven right, as he already is. As for this man? He won’t be remembered at all unless it’s for having the largest tooth gap in all of recorded history.
Firstly, you're showing your ignorance if you don't know who Anthony Howard is. One of the most acclaimed political journalists and newspaper editors of the last century. Secondly, he specifically says in the interview that he wasn't close to Enoch Powell but knew Enoch Powell's wife better.
Enoch Powell was a notorious oddball from a very young age. When at university, he refused to socialise with other students and instead locked himself in his room. When asked about it in later years, he said he "hadn't been aware there was anything else to do". When he himself taught, his students used to call him "the textual pervert" because of his bizarre obsessive nature. Churchill thought he was nuts, as did MacMillan. Many people how believe that he had Asperger's Syndrome. He certainly had a lot of the symptoms.
T H You can put a magnifying class on someone’s weird quirks or bad habits and focus solely on those qualities, sure. Had your life been as distinguished and well documented as his I’m sure someone could write a statement similar in nature to your’s about yourself. This applies to everyone, myself included. Enoch did great things with the time he had on Earth and I’ll respect any man for finding and pursuing their life’s purpose.
@@th8257 "HNNNNNNGH HE WAS AN ODDBALL HE HAD ASPERGER'S"
Hilarious Glaco - and so true!!!
He'd be even more unhappy today and who can blame him?
Could eat an apple through a letterbox with those babies...!!
Thatcher a great admirer of Enoch, too bad she didn't gave him a peerage.
She tried, multiple times.
@@john_cavaiier7901 source please?
..... Lives to see the fruition and metastasising of his prophecy
>in the end he was a very unhappy man
Has Anthony Howard stopped gasping for air?
Enoch was the youngest Brigadier General in the British army in WWII. What are this man's credentials?
By this man's turkey neck and obvious obese frame we know what his credentials are. Many tours of McDonald's and battled many a bargain bucket.
I got a dose of this guy when he and two other reporters were berating William F Buckley in the 1970's on his show. Left wing and obnoxious about it.
He used to do the papers on TV AM
@0d1963 If you don't know what you an explanation you will not understand.
He used to bite through barbed wire in ww1
This watches like a 2000s comedy skit…
Bollocks, enoch was honest, which made him come across as a little loopy.tell the truth and people treat you like your mad
Churchill thought Powell was a nut case. He wasn't wrong.
@@th8257 that's neither here nor there ,I never agreed with all of churchill's statements or political doings ,clandestine or the more visible ones,he was none the less a strong leader,but then so was Gaddafi.
T H Amazes me that people need to throw in a distinguished person’s opinion to show they are right. Churchill was a great man but he was also the architect of Gallipoli, the Norway invasion of April 1940, the turgid Italian campaign and other debacles. You can’t just quote a distinguished man’s opinion because “ He must be right”
*you're
@chris russell yes, that one who won the war
I'm not exactly ecstatic myself.
Lots of speculation now that Enoch Powell may have been somewhere on the autistic spectrum. A lot of his behaviour, and what his family subsequently said about him, is fairly standard autistic behaviour.
Honestly mate, what the fk do you have against spergs?
what a strange appearing man this is.
The useless Westminster village closed him out. Of political life
A nobody, criticising a great man; why did he even bother?
One of Britain's most notable political journalists and broadcasters of the past century, so hardly a nobody. Regarding Enoch Powell, Churchill thought Powell was nuts. So did MacMillan, and a lot of other very much more eminent people than Enoch Powell ever was. Enoch Powell was a notorious oddball from a very early age. When he was at university, he wouldn't socialise with other students and would lock himself in his room. When asked about it in later years he said he "hadn't been aware there was anything else to do". When he taught at university, his students used to call him the "textual pervert" because of his bizarre obsessiveness. Many people now believe that he had Asperger's Syndrome. He certainly displayed a lot of the symptoms of it.
@@th8257 "NNNNOOOOO HE HAD ASPERGER'S THAT TOTALLY DISCREDITS HIM"
@@th8257 Your level of stupidity emerges from your warped comments.
@@th8257 Churchill was an alcoholic warmongering piece of shit.
One is almost mesmorised by the saggy eyes and the mouth parts
Perfect description of the tedious homunculus that was tony howard..
Nice chap Howard,great to all folk.....Enoch , a bit of a genius but a static mind. He was a great historian but hated all the change he was a living expert on. But on sovereignty - unassailable
Lots of people now believe that Enoch Powell was autistic
Enoch fair and brilliant mind and prophetic warned about EU undemocratic nonsense!Should of had Nobel prize that Friedman got as Enoch espoused the economic model before Milton,spoke 14 languages learnt Hebrew in his70s!,Not static mind great foresight and integrity!Voted ‘The most impressive parliamentarian‘ you fellow politicians !,youngest ever Professor in commonwealth!,Great constituency MP!,etc
He was absolutely and utterly wrong about sovereignty. He was a romantic nationalist with very little grasp of how the modern world worked.
Not so great to Enoch Powell.
@@garethmorris299 Great comment.
Long live democratic socialism and freedom
RIP Anthony Howard
Enoch Powell? Meh
If God listened to the prayers of men, all men would quickly have perished: for they are forever praying for evil against one another.
Epicurus
Pure comedy!
Jabba the hutt?
Ulster.....Any port in a storm
Ye Enoch was behind the times and Infront at the same time I'm no political partie but giving our yes the British empire up no no give me your thoughts I'm patriot
nice guy but jesus christ THOSE TEETH
Congratulations, Piggy for honing in on what really matters !! (Teeth)
Why hasn't he got a handkerchief ? It is so annoying the constant wiping of his nose !!
Anthony Howard who? talking about the visionary John Enoch Powell the youngest Britain to become Professor, speak 14 languages and predicted with severe criticism what we all see today and the frailties of the EEC.
A sad life I think not.
Anthony Howard; well read, well educated. Now 'nuts' and unhappy, I've never Iistened to such drivel.
Churchill thought Powell was nuts. So did MacMillan, and a lot of other people. Enoch Powell was a notorious oddball from a very early age. When he was at university, he wouldn't socialise with other students and would lock himself in his room. When asked about it in later years he said he "hadn't been aware there was anything else to do". When he taught at university, his students used to call him the "textual pervert" because of his bizarre obsessiveness. Many people now believe that he had Asperger's Syndrome. He certainly displayed a lot of the symptoms of it.
T H a brilliant man Enoch Powell warned of the undemocratic EU as well as danger of uncontrolled immigration and could of received Nobel prize for economics that Friedman won as Enoch postulated philosophy first !Youngest ever professor in commonwealth ;spoke14 languages !,Voted against MPs pay rise !,very special man !Legend has it read Harmsworth encyclopedia at the age of four!,,,,!
@@garethmorris299 Yes, a brilliant man with a beautiful mind and the love, admiration and respect of the many - though his integrity and formidable brain power made him one of the few.
@@th8257 You're nothing if not repetitive.
@@stellaboulton9531 many thanks Stella,yes an amazing ,very special man.Even Milton Friedman who got the Nobel prize for economics acknowledged Enoch’s input,as the prize could of gone to Enoch as he was espousing the economic ideas before Milton.Thanks for your kind comment x
The Ulster Unionists, like the Tories, knew Powell was a loony and so would never have given him any real authority.
Your claim to fame is what
@@seanmoran6510 More than you'll ever know.
@@ysgol3 We're still waiting.....
But you're unable to elaborate?
Enoch Powell was a contemptible skid mark, period.