Enoch Powell & Jonathan Miller Debate Issues Around UK Immigration | The Dick Cavett Show
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- Broadcast from London, British politician Enoch Powell and British director and author Jonathan Miller debate issues around UK immigration including comparing the impacts of an ageing population to those of immigration. Featuring Dick Cavett.
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Could you imagine such an intelligent and intellectual debate in 2024. Not a chance in these ridiculous times...😢
Could you imagine Enoch running rings around the clowns in parliament today during PMqs.
When he ,Enoc , defended the rights of the Kenyan people’s he was a hero, when he defended the rights of indigenous Brits he was a villain, nuff said.
Exactly the Hola camp and people who heard that speech say it was the finest speech they ever heard ,great point Andy mac
One of the greatest speeches. And so few know about it, too.
Nuff said, eh? Remind us again, these Kenyan's invite some white people to their country to do menial work and they thought they were under attack? Have I got that right? The "nuff said" just about sums up bigots like you who can't think beyond their racist noses.
White people are not allowed their own lands.
@@worldpeace8299 do you know what's going on in South Africa nowadays?
Watching this in 2023 makes me realise the freedom of speech and thought that we have lost in this country.
Very true, I was thinking that as well. Heck, they even had level-headed interviews with literal fascists like Oswald Mosely and the result was a better understanding of the issues.
@@أفلاكالأفكار put this one in your search bar: The Mitford sisters | Lady Diana Mosley interview | Oswald Mosley |Good Afternoon
Me too I don’t agree with either 100 percent but im flabbergasted they’re actually allowed to have the conversation
Same here!
Yea the world is a joke now a terrible tragedy or a great comedy depending on your philosophy.
watching this in birmingham in 2024 .. Enoch Powell was proved totally correct.
The man was a scholastic genius
Imagine being able to have this conversation on mainstream TV now.
God what an amazing point and alas we'll never see another politican like him ever again .
Ignore the TV my friend. We only need to talk like this to each other.
@TheNobullman I think the term youre looking for is xenophobic 😂
Like a parallel universe.
If only, when we did have freedom of speech.
Tensions in the UK this week are the worst they've been in decades, this video has finally come to light
It was always here and Powell was always correct
Time has revealed who was correct in the argument. Not that it wasnt obvious even back then.
The most chilling observation for me is that a debate like this is utterly impossible these days in the MSM of the West. Truly tragic.
Very true, but in fact it was also nearly impossible back then. There was no desire to confront the negatives aspects of mass immigration by what you'd call the 'mainstream'. Even back then, people could and were 'cancelled' for merely stating obvious facts.
@@plainjane2474 That is complete nonsense. The New Right adopted a profoundly racist stance RE: South Africa. Racist policies were entirely mainstream in the 1970's. You are just making things up. Stupidity is dangerous.
It literally happens all the time, people just aren’t generally as racist as Powell was and generally know how frowned upon racism is now compared to then
@@thomashall2753 lmao
Just propaganda and slander now.
John Enoch Powell, a politician who has my utmost respect!
Way too intelligent and tolerant of a conversation for today's time.
The Jonathan Miller's of the world play a huge role in why we can no longer have these conversations. They lost the debate so driven by hatred continue to obtain power to destroy us.
Enoch? If so no he wasn’t...
Yep, thats what you guys lost, while trying to save the world with democracy, feminizm, sexizm, racizm, and transgendarizm.
You couldn't have made your misunderstanding of the whole debate any clearer... *facepalm*
Saying that some American cities are occupied by immigrants and their descendants isn't intelligent.
I imagine a lot of native Americans would consider it to be very uninformed indeed.
A robust, almost confrontational yet always civilised, but never personal debate indeed. Excellent display of what today is lacking
They were too busy worrying about Caribbean people who spoke English, similar culture and same religion. A Black Australian if you will (not Aboriginal). That they ignored all the other groups because they have more Eurocentric features, but not mentality or religion. Britain/Europe is feeling it now. 🤣
@@miamitten1123 mass imagination wasn't as bad back then, there wasn't really an alert. Now it's around 6 million immigrants that consist in England's total population.
You’re just looking in the wrong places.
Don’t compare Britain then with Britain now
Just don’t
This man was And still is 100% right in what he was saying
this fantastic man was so ahead of his time.
brilliant.
I don't understand people who say Enoch could see into the future, if you're unable to look at society and not telling what's going on you're clearly blind
Well I must be brilliant too!
Yes, Jonathan Miller was fantastic man, Enoch Powell - much less so.
@@ColinCarFan and yet he was clever enough to see whats happening today
I agree. But who was the other fool? The Enoch guy?
It's frightening and chilling to see how accurate Powell was, he saw it while the others were sleeping.
It is a consequence of British imperialism. Nobody in the Indian/Pakistani sub-continent asked the English to go there. The chickens came home to roost.
I'm 'white,' 60 and live in a very multicultural UK city, I don't think things have turned out that badly at all. My Pakistani decent neighbours are generous and charming with very well behaved, sweet natured children. Think this contrived 'issue' concerns areas of the country that are predominantly white much more than cities like mine.
@@alexharrison9340 And one day you'll wake up and those "well behaved" Pakis will demand that you stop consuming (say) alcohol because now they are the majority. One day you'll find yourself a foreigner in your own country. I hope you'll enjoy it.
@@FranciscoSmirsley I'll never be a foreigner on my own planet.
@@alexharrison9340 Sadly, Alex, the exclusivity intensifiers that adhere and dig their heels in are a long time dying out. Sagan suspected seeing their disintegration at an increasing pace in the early 80s. The process still ongoing, after a resurgence of fanaticism, I suspect we're in for worsening turmoil to follow. Miller was correct in his analysis. Human beings are very easily led by charismatic mesmerists. Sadly, even the socially inept ones. Out of Jonathan Miller and Powell, I know which I would rather spend an afternoon's conversation with. The one who is a deeper, more philosophical thinker and not a rabble rouser.
Oh how refreshing to hear the English language spoken so elliquently by these two gentlemen. The garbage that is spoken on today's programs is a sad reflection of losing the English language.
Beautiful isn't it...i could listen to Enoch all day.
its negroidisation of english language, that's what you hear today.
@@twonkey1 Oh yeah, "woke" this "woke" that... If you want a perennial showcase of eloquent and erudite interlocutors espousing their illuminating outlooks, you'd definitely want to tune into GB News where "Can women have p*nises" is at the vanguard of their cultural concerns. To be fair, Enoch Powell is not exactly any better.
I fairness to GB news and Talk tv, they're refreshing to watch as they have and express their own opinions, unlike the pandering, scare mongering idiots on channels like BBC, ITV, SKY.
The presenters aren't afraid of being outspoken.
I love eilliquence.
Enoch powell .. a great man way ahead of his time.
The best PM we never had...instead they gave us Edward Heath, the less said about that odious man the better.
It has now become clear whose view was right and who was wrong.
It was pretty clear back then that Miller was a con man.
Well done Dick Cavett on allowing these two guests to speak without interruption. Never seen this clip but it is fascinating
how journalism should be.
My comment was about the journalistic professionalism of the presenter, not the views of Knocker.
And now we see the left promoting euthanasia like Canada see Powell was right. if you put an invasive species in an environment and it thrives it will take over that what's happening to Britain.
Definitely the Enoch Show🇬🇧💪
True...imagine piers Morgan hosting....guest never get a wording with him
This is the level of intellectualism i would like to see on tv.
I came to reply but again stuck in video
Snowflakes today would be so lost...
@@paullacey2999 true. Both are extremely intellectual and articulate themselves amazingly. Left or right, this type of intellectual i want to hear.
I again come to reply and again stuck in this video. Paul Ennoch’s view is not a view that i share but he has the best arguments to convince and he puts it in a so civil way and makes you think on the issue. This is the type of politician i want to see both left and right. Not a pack of fools who run around like chickens with no head.
Currently this is only found either on TH-cam, Rumble and few and far between in tv
When people could openly express their opinions, eloquently discuss and argue back and forth without resorting to screaming obscenities and insults. Wonderful interview...
yep---even when one of them is talking out his arse---eh Johnathan?
@@MrDaiseymay Mr Miller is not English - that is the key
or being blacklisted by the mainstream media
@@chez3884 how's that?
and being bullied out their livelihoods, censored online and on and on
Enoch is going viral in 2024
So he should mate, need hearing
This is what is called true free speech. Honest and open debate. Never to be seen again. Very sad.
@sandpiper9288 nonsense. We did have free speech.
@sandpiper9288 you're prob too young to remember that we did have free speech once
@@Fahrenheit451.When? Didn't they change the voice of Gerry Adams?
try Question Time ..heard of that?
@@andrewhouser1334A terrorist does not get free speach🤔🤣🤣
When people could discuss anything without being threatened with jail.
When the British were truly allowed to be themselves.
White British men were able to say what they thought
@@paddybroderick I still do
@@leemillard5514 Are you going to the cenotaph on Sunday? I hope so. 🏴🇬🇧👍🏽
That sad part is that what he argued against is partly due to the reason why you can't talk like this anymore.
What got me was how intelligently they both put forth their arguments and allowed each other to at least finish.
@paddybroderick the news and politics is so bad now. Look at the school shooter in America. They tried hiding the fact that that trans monster purely went out to kill white people(kids).
how refreshing to see a debate whilst still being respectful
Try gb news.
Controlled opposition
@@twonkey1GB news isn’t objective
Objectivity is gone.
@@twonkey1GB news doesn’t have the same tone of respect neither
Is anyone watching from England in August 2024 ??
This is intellectual freedom of speech forward thinking 50 years ago find one now.
Yes. Enoch was right then and even more so today.
Watching and agreeing with Enoch!
me
Yes! I am definitely listening. Woke culture in the main stream media has become a form of fascism.
If this debate was on today the mediator would say "sorry we are out of time" as soon as a controversial point was made
And none of them would ever work again.
@@d4746385 especially after he said "if you want a N for a neighbor, vote Labour".
I couldn't believe he said the actual word, but I guess this was before political correctness went to such a degree that you were only allowed to say "n-word".
And the lefty broadcasters would shut him up on our behalf.
You see, my friend, even you are affected by this affliction. Do you think that there is something controversial in this video?! I think not. For me it is just pure facts and logic and the time is my witness. All this guy was saying proved to be true.
@@CENTURION.CARPATIC How did we sleepwalk into where we are now? It breaks my heart, I won't be going back to Sweden any time soon either.
I love how Dick lets them speak without interruption.
Indeed! What could he possibly add?
He's very like Michael Parkinson, a famous uk chat show host on at the same time. He let his guests speak.
He reminds me of Piers....same school of journalism
@@craigk621 Piers aka Mr interrupter?
Dick listens regardless if he agrees with them or not. Nowadays the presenter's are consumed with their own opinions that they wouldn't even know if the guest was even agreeing with them.
It's hard to imagine being allowed to speak so freely, we've gone backwards
The closer they push us to the cliff the more they want to blind us at the front and mute us from warning those behind us being pushed into that very same abyss.
Gone backwards in so many ways
Because look who's here and running the country.
Sad fact is the leftwaffe won
@@Fahrenheit451.It's good they speak openly because then it is easier to identify Nazis
Whether one agrees with Powell or Miller how refreshing to see a proper intellectual debate, not least on an issue which seems to be impossible to be aired today.
Enoch Powell spoke up to 10 languages. The man was a perfect example of an English intellectual.
A thick racist, in fact.
we have a lot of intellects and educated people running the world and look at the mess it's in ...we need empathy,compassion ,mixed with wisdom and sensitivity ....
@@devogrant2817 Yes because that has worked so well hasn't it 🙄
@@ballshippin3809 Meaning what?
@@devogrant2817 Far better than being ruled by knobs who believe in shape-shifting lizards and all the other conspiracy claptrap. Look at any interview with Trump supporters to see how bad it can get.
Imagine two grown men with profoundly different opinions having a conversation of this nature without screaming at each other. These things used to happen!
@Paul WT Well if you put it that way the other is an Anti-ethnic, anti-immigration, anti-anything christian racist.
@@VirajKathwadia No one was concerned for his nation and the future of his people.
And no ad hominems. Not once was Powell called a Fascist and not once was Miller called a Communist.
People today are too immature and controlled by their emotions to have any reasonable debate. Any sniff of an opinion that's different to their own and they get instantly triggered and start screaming "Racism" or "Woke" to instantly silence the person. The Internet is largely to blame.
Tbh, grown men still do this. Its mostly, women and minorities that do bring chaos to otherwise civilised conversations.
Enoch ... a man ahead of time.
Extremely intelligent and predicted the future correctly, the best prime minster we never had 🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧
The date I’m watching this is 06/08/2024.
The accuracy of Powell is shocking and equally saddening.
The quality of people back then, far outweighs that of today. Enoch recognised the problems on the horizon, and oh how he has been proven correct. A visionary.
need an ENOCH or two in todays government
They all knew. It was so obvious a child could see it. The problem was not lack of vision so much as utter cowardice. Bonhoeffer was quite right in his assessment of such things.
Tourism great, colonialism bad. Why would dark skin people want to move to rainy, cold northern areas where they have no spiritual love of the land. Conquest?
It was clear for decades before this.
@@doreenbates the closest we can hope for is Farage or Tice...
Ahead of his time, wake up Britain 🇬🇧
and he was only referring to 'black' people. He didn't even think about Muslims!
got it right
A deep thinker with an dammed near bottomless intellect.
We are already awake. This was something imposed on us. We have no choice in the matter.
💯
Enoch Powell a very intelligent man and a visionary of today's world in the UK.
a somali man stabbed a 60 year old woman to death today in the uk because she refused to hand over her handbag. I think people have noticed.
According to Miller - and the Left - nobody would notice this with horror - until you pointed it out!
@@hugolindum7728 they'll call you a Russian bot or say "sOuRcE".
@@hugolindum7728i'm not defending him much here, but there are A few people about who are actually like that, they'd probably sympathise with the robber nowadays
Sadly Powell was correct and the damage caused by governments is so obvious for all to see. I suspect if sancatomious Miller was alive today he'd be living in an exclusive white area in Hampstead but I wonder if he'd support Israel in the latest conflict?
Liberals and progressives really don’t understand human nature
Two people with different and sometimes conflicting views, able to discuss matters intelligently and respectfully without a hint of personal insult or abuse. Something has definitely changed since then.
What has changed is that the mainstream media has become a psyop. Designed to pit factions against factions. Powell is delivering a compelling, intelligent discussion. Not a hint of racism. Just a stark depiction of reality. The truth is in what has transpired since. American cities are in ruins. The populations that inhabit them have failed on their own volition to "evolve".
I do not see a conflict in views here other than attitude!
The Miller guy was sneaky and manipulative
The insults from Miller to Powell were numerous and nasty.
@@donbudge6706 " Not a hint of racism."
Said the skinhead with the dixie flag and a "Powell was right" shirt. Blow your brains out and do humanity a favor.
As a politician, Enoch Powell didn’t put the thoughts into people’s minds, but rather reflected the feelings and emotions of his constituents and put them into the words that they felt unable to utter aloud for fear of reprisals.
They were too busy worrying about Caribbean people who spoke English, similar culture and same religion. A Black Australian if you will (not Aboriginal). That they ignored all the other groups because they have more Eurocentric features, but not mentality or religion. Britain/Europe is feeling it now. 🤣
This guy seems awesome.
I grew up in the 1960s/1970s and Powell didn't say a single thing that the average white Brit "felt unable to say". UK society was for the most part openly racist, and racist terms were a part of everyday speech in working class areas (Powell's language would have been considered tame in the average pub). Society was also openly sexist and homophobic.
@@davidmccann9811I think your comment illuminates the heart of the matter. Culture is more about behaviour. The behaviour of races is different, the behaviour of homosexuals is different the behaviour of modern women is different. Working class Britishness was about behaving a certain way. The indigenous population feared the otherness of alien cultures that would change the demographic. The threat to the patriarchal culture of the country was as at its greatest since the suffrage movement secured the vote for women. Today the scale of immigration threatens to erase Britishness from its cities and banish it into the small towns, villages and countryside of Englands green and pleasant land. The failure of conservatism to protect the last vestiges of the working class British identity and now even labour abandoning what was once their core demographic has left the culture bereft of identity a sense of belonging and a sense of being heard. We can now see the effects of this with the riots that Powell predicted.
Imagine this level of discussion being on TV now. The language used, the standard of debate. Nobody would watch it. Far too clever, far to civilised.
They wouldn't be able to follow it or concentrate long enough.
I am Mr Nobody, and you're correct, I would defos watch it.
He wouldn’t be allowed to speak these days 😔😡
@@markwheeler4245 Lol, what are you on about? Nick Griffin was on BBC's Question Time only a decade ago and Farage is always popping up in mainstream media.
@@InTenMinutes1 Not true. Joe Rogan's podcast is the #1 in the world and he sometimes has deep, hours-long conversations with scientists, philosophers, etc. etc.
If a pot-smoking MMA can do it for hours while attracting millions of views from most lay people, it's clear that the mainstream media could do it as well but are far too short-sighted to do so.
Salute and respect to this true British patriot we the people should have listened to him .🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴🏴🇬🇧🇬🇧
Powell is very good and not afraid to state the truth how refreshing
This is a prime evidence of how our society's average IQ has declined.
Nobody would watch it. English people prefer celebrities dancing and quiz shows as well as shooting and car chases.
@@jean6872 Theres a quote that sums it up perfectly: "The young used to be brought up to read Kant and now the young are brought up so they cant read"
@@Arareemote I should have heard that before but maybe I was brought up to forget.
Education has declined not the IQ level
@@rankoorovic7904 In England, a good education can still be bought by people with lots of money.
It's amazing how right he was and people still cant see it!
People can see it, but the BBC and the media circle subliminally control native Brits through the processes of shaming, and guilt tripping. They've been doing it for more than 20+ years, even governments are careful not to upset the BBC. Labour want more immigration - their future depends on it.
They can't see it because it's not an issue
@@powerplay8355 because they don't want to
@@powerplay8355 Not an issue until it personally affects them.
They actually do
Jonathan Miller’s eruditions exposing that no amount of academic education rationalism and relativism can cover up a deep seated liberal stupidity and perfidious rhetorical intent. He tried to gain the upper hand with the audience by patronising their intelligence using an inexcusable amount of word salad. Just like this comment of mine.
ah prefer diatribe ma self , aye !
Enoch Powell exposed him easily
JMs’ comments and views proves him to have been absolutely wrong.
What kind of a man doesn't look at the people he's talking to?
Endless and tiring waffle from Jonathan
The only MP in my lifetime that has spoke the truth .. And a gentleman as well..
And a highly respected and quickly appointed senior officer in the British Army.
And skinner
Skinner was a legend as well
Don’t forget Tony Benn
@@Paddyandpoppy I had, and still have, great admiration for Powell and Benn - both men who stood solidly by their principles
you never met him did you?
If he was alive today, his bank accounts would be closed his youtube channel shut down along with his Facebook page, and he would be sitting in a jail .All for speaking the truth . I bend my knee to him
That's progress, like automated phone answering and the pandoras box of AI.
I was a teenager when Enoch Powell made his Rivers of Blood speech. Next day I went into a newsagents and all the “common people” were have a lively discussion in support of him. Enoch was punished for stating the obvious and our grandchildren will really pay the price. Sometimes I wonder why our parents fought in WW2 to prevent invasion. Subsequent generations just opened the doors.
Because they were lied to about the enemy and were sent as lambs to the slaughter as some very rich families profited off of the destruction of Europe and increased their power by being able to buy everything cheap after its destruction. Both wars were evil and pointless, designed to make a few people money, and decimate the spirit, culture, population, and even history of Europe, maybe even forever.
@@orthodoxbelarussianopinion713 no, not forever
@@orthodoxbelarussianopinion713 because the "chosen people" who orchestrated ww1 and ww2 now promote diversity multiculturalism mass immigration.
@@orthodoxbelarussianopinion713
Both wars had to be fought though. No?
@@punksachoo5055 for who...
This has aged so well.
Powell was a true and honest man who is owed an apology.
have you looked in the mirror lately?.....
The nikola tesla of politics, I agree with you, Enoch was way ahead of even George Orwell, few candles burn so bright.
@@SS-kp7hw explain the meaning behind that question...
@@leonardpiercy9837 u honestly need me to explain?maybe not a mirror then for you but a psychiatrist's couch...
@@SS-kp7hw yes, I do want you to explain... not only your mirror comment but also now you psychiatrist comment. Don't make snide comments that you won't explain and discuss because that's called passive aggression and is the mark of a coward.
He’s right Birmingham is now majority Pakistani!
My hometown has been ruined by the clamour for diversity, which has ironically made the city even less varied, pretty soon they'll have mandatory Urdu, Arabic and Hindi lessons in schools.
48.7% white and 31% other by last census. that's now a majority its a minority.
Well maybe the British shouldn't have invaded India and pakistan and treated the people so wrong, the British told the indian and and pakistan people to come to britain ffs, because they like always stole everything valuble in any country they invaded!
@@RobertDore-w4lat least the kids would know what scheming was going on 😂. No, I agree! I'm sure there's a state school up here in preston which is around 80% Asian and I've heard but can't confirm they are taught urdo/hindi? But, as I say, I can't confirm that, it's only a point someone made in small talk. Unfortunately our cultures just don't mix! I was quite friendly with an Asian chap who lived a few doors down from our garage. He tried his best to integrate even by dressing like us etc. He once said to me that he didn't like the way the Asian community was heading and he could see trouble ahead! He was a Muslim which at the time didn't bother one way or another but he did warn me to keep an eye on things.
He was clearly right and obviously well informed.
Incorrect statement. 2021 census showed 17% of Birmingham population was Pakistani. General position was 49% White, 31% Asian, 11% Black, Mixed/other 9%.
Enoch was a prophet as well as an intellectual. Miller raises a good point about difference in appearance being the fear factor, yet one simply has to look at the news any day of the week for the last 50 years and you can see it's not appearance, but behaviour.
as still primitive mammalian beings we still are wired to recognise different or unusual as - possible threat and dont realise we let that become an overiding factor in our judgment
We just see it as potentially dangerous and act accordingly not giving it a second thought
and that has become dangerous in itself :/
I think the horribe truth is that appearance and behavior have far more correlation than modern, "enlightened," Westerners want to believe.
Right now its ideology
Yet being fearful, distressed or alarmed at someone's behaviour may get them arrested for causing fear.
Exactly not race but culture, not skin colour but behaviour
Watching in May 2024 and knowing the consequences of mass unmanaged immigration Enoch was so so right and was ignored at an horrendous cost to the existing population.
Even though I'm American Enoch Powell was so far ahead of his time. He should have been prime Minister!
The UK sealed its fate when it didn't listen to Enoch. Too late now.
Very true. The UK is lost
The number one reason the U.K imports groups of people called immigrants is because the monarchy family of the U.K and the upper class of the U.K decide to invade countries and colonise them. The immigrants used to be called slaves. They would invade middle eastern and African countries for example and take prisoners back home that would be forced to do work/labour for them, many young captives would be trained to fight for them.
Pope's and King's and Queens used to start the building up of armies or funding armies to do the invading and when the were successful they would take slaves from the defeated side. The industrial revolution happened and the Pope's, King's/Queens/establishment began to call 'slaves' 'employees' instead.
Look at Epic History tv YT channel, Europeans were taken as slaves for the last 1000 years and more. Modern tv propaganda implies only 'black' people were enslaved in the old style slavery.
Most people agreed and agree with Powell. Everywhere that has had 'white' people 'migrate' to non 'white' countries has been and is regarded as negative. Yet they say the Native Indians of America had their land 'stolen'. The french and Belgians going to African countries was a bad thing but large non 'white' groups being brought to mostly 'white' countries is not bad somehow? The pope's and kings/queens still exist and and now business people/ banking families and they make cowards like Cavett and the other posh coward spin propaganda to indigenous 'white' people that if they speak about their replacement as such they will be called racist. Eventually they are going to switch the narrative to 'there are too many 'black' people or 'poc' in top jobs and start to remove them.
@@user-yp3oj5se1i You don't know anything about the UK do you? The vast majority of slaves in the British Isles have been Britons enslaved by immigrants (like the Romans, Angles, Jutes, Danes, Normans, etc.).
@@douglasherron7534 Can you give one example of what you are talking about?
Where do you think i showed that i didn't know about UK?
That's so strange how you say "The vast majority of slaves in the British Isles have been Britons"?
Yes they "have been" slaves centuries ago. That was centuries ago. Britain has been doing the enslaving migration since.
Rome invaded and attacked Gaelic/Irish people that were living in England ( not called England at the time) as the Irish populated Scotland and the country now called England. Ogham stones were and many still are located all around Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales. They are pre British and fully Gaelic/Irish. Britons only began after rome invaded.
They were not called Britons before that, nowadays the British media/government use a made up term ( Celts) to describe the Gaelic/Irish people that lived there at the time.
Celts, celtic people never existed, The British media only began to use the term 'Celt' in the 1700's. As a way of ignoring/not talking about the fact that Gaelic clans inhabited both islands pre roman invasion.
Ancient Britons very first day of existence was when Rome colonised the area now called England.
Ireland was only referred to as 'British' when occupied by Britain like how the U.S was when occupied by them. Ireland has been occupied by Dutch and Norwegian and English in the past but beat their invaders and is still Gaelic/Irish nowadays.
' Isle' is a geographical term for a much smaller island beside a larger island, The island of Ireland is not small enough to be an isle geographically.
It is also much much older than England and Britain and as it's not part of Britain. It could have been known as British when occupied by Britain but even then not an isle like how Japan is not a Chinese isle. Referring to Ireland as British or a British isle and referring to Irish people as celts or Britons is simply incorrect and used as propaganda.
"Celt is a modern English word, first attested in 1707, in the writing of Edward Lhuyd,".
Isn't that funny how you claimed i knew nothing and yet schooled you?
@@cianog It hasn't been lost yet, it's wrong to give up hope too soon!
Great debate from both sides.
Two intelligent philosophers understanding eachother's points and counter-arguing.
A dying tradition, especially in Britain.
A pity they had a halfwit sat between them
I really enjoy watching these Dick Cavett interviews, I know nothing about him being a Brit but he had some great guests. This interview between two intellectuals is fascinating, possibly because we no longer see these on TV anymore, which is a shame.
The guy on the left was terrible.
@@bernardhessley9599A perceptive and intelligent chap, as was Enoch.
@@bernardhessley9599 no, he wasn't. He was playing devil's advocate far better than Cavett was, which is why Cavett gave way.
Miller accepted that mass immigration would be problematic and said so many times, he simply asked Powell to look at it from a different perspective, and used the land of the dead metaphor, which Powell praised as being an instructive one, and I agree too.
Enoch's warning was regarding lack of INTEGRATION to the British culture and British way of life. It's clear today that many migrants refuse to integrate, and that's why we have large areas filled with foreign culture. Enoch was 100% right, and only a fool would argue that. Race isn't the issue, it's multiculturalism which is a threat to the British way if life in the long run. We are more divided than ever before these days and it's clear to see why
Not only is it an issue for England all of Europe as we see today with "no go" zones.
Diversity has been so rewarding both for America and Europe. More crime, more poverty, more government handouts courtesy of the taxpayers.
Very true, if it was not for the working immigrants they would never afford the welfare for the white Americans!! more white people as a percentage claim welfare than immigrants in the US and it has been researched a few times.
You've got it!
Deal with it, your people have terrorised the world for centuries, colonialism comes back to roost and only then do people get upset about it, but it's still someone else's fault.
Single mothers.....
The west has become irreversibly invaded and all they can say for themselves is " well you stole from our country". Rich considering the foreigners cause the vast majority of crime in the uk and the usa!!!!!
Logical and so so accurate. Look at the state of British cities now. Riddled with poverty and crime from all over the world.
Have you forgotten all the crimes the British have committed throughout their violent history? Unless you reject your past you have no right to complain about the present.
@djo-dji6018 I have every right. Asking people of the present for an apology regarding the past is the statement of a complete idiot... a past that no doubt didn't even affect anybody today too. People love being victims today.
@@djo-dji6018pathetic
“-all over the world.” Letting your racism show too much there 🤡
@@nas84payne If in doubt, wallow in the race card. Pathetic! 🎈
"I take my share of the blame for it"
I'm 42 and I don't recall ever hearing a British politician ever having the integrity to utter those words. (Regardless of what Powell stood for).
You only need to look at who is running our country now to see how far we have slid into the abyss.Lies and hypocrisy made paramount.....
Me to,I'm 70 try to imagine the changes I have witnessed
Mr Miller can’t help himself my English cousins. I watch from the American South and I shudder at the thought. There will be rivers of blood.
This debate is still relevant 60 years later. 😊
Thats how much we evolved as a society in 60 years
Forty years later and still making more sense than ever.
Only Jonathan Miller made sense.
50 years later
@@adolphbismark4331 Powell only made sense to Little Englander's and fans of Oswald Mosely. To anyone with a modicum of sense it was easy to see that he was just recycling the same old lies.
@@GoneOffShore2 My old neighbourhood begs to differ.
@@edidpro what neighbourhood do you live in and what are the too problems in your neighbourhood? I think that is a reasonable question, please enlighten me.
Enoch was totally right & the truth was always self evident.
He has been proven correct on almost every assertion he made.
@@garymac5571 And to think how he was ostracized by the politicians and elites who sought to destroy the culture of Britain. Those who speak the truth are almost always attacked as Enoch was.
He was right on, and Alf Garnett was right too his jokes was actually the truth too
This is a very tense conversation.... and may never really happen again in the current late night circuit
Real Time maybe. Sam Harris/Ben Affleck springs to mind.
@@zaprese If you're comparing a Sam Harris/Ben Affleck exchange to any conversation/debate/interaction that involved Mr. Enoch Powell, then things have really sunk to an all-time low.
This level of discussion will never be allowed to happen again.
Powell was the last genuinely Conservative MP Britain ever had. The Tories now are money grubbing leeches who conserve nothing, quite the opposite in fact.
This man was and still is a legend, I wish with all my heart he was priminister today x Absolutely a legend 🎉
He was a paedo ffs
I left U.K in 2004, I returned in 2017. It was unrecognizable.
Go back to where you'd been. I took your place. I am from Mauritius.
Maybe you got off at the wrong airport?
I migrated away in '87 hoping for a better life for my children. I cannot, therefore, criticise strongly ppl migrating to Britain with exactly the same goals. The few times I've been back - well, it's certainly changed significantly and demograhics of some cities were just as Powell predicted. The inclement weather was the same though.
Oh so you left to become an immigrant but now have come back and are criticising other immigrants.
Maybe you were the right kind of immigrant and they are not. Maybe you were an ex-pat, a much more palatable title.
if you go to coastal towns - nothings changed !
Enoch was 100% on the ball. He should be applauded for his opinions.
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Stay mad. You British fools came tonight country first and now we are taking over yours.
Is England really that bad now with immigrants or you all just being racists ? Isn’t the PM Indian
guy was horrid
Jonathan Miller was 100% on the ball. Enoch was 100% racist.
“Two fifths of Birmingham”. How wildly inaccurate Powell was. He had no idea how psychopathic New Labour would be.
I know John Major 100% should have won in 1997, none of that would have never happened.
Agreed over a half and how about Leicester?
@@bruh949- I'm not convinced.
@@bruh949you are sorely mistaken
@bruh949 major should have lost in 1992 ge. In fact if it is not sdp, thatcher be gone in 1983
Enoch was a legend. We need him now more than ever.
Just look to how the British Pakistanis have purposefully NOT integrated in a single settlement throughout the UK - Birmingham, Preston, Bolton, Blackburn, Nelson (Christ, this place is every reason you’ll ever need) etc, etc.
I haven't researched this topic, but did this arise from the formation of Pakistan from what was West Pakistan? Were most of the original emigrants Hindi and Buddhist and not Muslim? Now do these communities have to forbear the horrible sound of loudspeakers screaming demonic calls to prayers to people stupidly not able to set their smart phones to a 5 time a day ring?
Funny how the people most for diversity live far away from it... Ps Nuckle dragging little Englander.
@George Piddington A bit like all the British immigrants in Spain. Tens of thousands of Brits who have lived here for decades but do not speak a word of Spanish. They live in British settlements, shopping solely at British supermarkets, eating British food and only mixing with other Brits. Sound familliar?
@@robertsinnerman7804 my sister live there and speaks fluent Spanish as do her friends.
@@JohnSmith-lb6ww this is actually verified in sociological studies. Robert Putnam’s Bowling Alone shows that the communities with the most diversity are those with the most Balkanization and lack of community
Oh how they laughed. They're not laughing now.
So crazy watching this knowing how the story ends 😢
Enoch was definitely able to see into the future!! Everything he said has come true not just in England but in every western country
I’m telling ppl there is something going on to make the west fall I’m hearing all they time these militant Middle East types telling me they are coming for the west and it will for. They sad that they lost the empires they had and want revenge instead of excepting strong powers came and you lost. And now we move past that they still want to conquer
I’ve been told this first hand many times. But I’m called racist cuz I’m white working class British Immagrsnt family
If only he could see Birmingham today. He's been proven so right.
not if he saw the NHS first.....nearly every caregiver is black. Conveniently forgotten.
@@SS-kp7hw Couldn't those jobs have been filled by Brits ?
@@SS-kp7hw the NHS had nothing to do with what he said in that interview.
@@SS-kp7hw "Of the 1.2 million employed by the NHS, 20.7% belong to Black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) background." - Easy enough to find out.
@@SS-kp7hw a common myth peddled. Here is the true demographics of the NHS 80% white, mostly British but they don’t broadcast this. Read more.
www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/workforce-and-business/workforce-diversity/nhs-workforce/latest
This conversation wouldn't make the airwaves these days,but how refreshing it is to allow the guests to speak and communicate, most things are solved with communication and not judgement
Not so much solved as to give someone preaching dangerous, popularist, hate speech to a mass audience
Enoch has been proved correct again and again. Powell wasn't a racist, he was a realist.
Humpty-Dumpty Dick approves! :D
Racist
@@DhukuACcry some more
@@jjr1728 about what? Your side is losing lmao
@@DhukuAC our tribe is the most beautiful and tallest with the greatest diversity of eyes hair and physiques. Ethnics are brown eyes brown skin and black hair. Cry some more. You will never be tier 1 phenotype nordic.
This is what a statesman looks like.......take note modern clueless politicians
Here, here..
My god how prescient was this discussion regarding current events in South London.
I worked in factory of 250 staff and only 30 spoke english. Enoch had a crystal ball
What language did your Bosses speak? Were they able to communicate with their workers or did they have to find an interpreter from among their workers?
@@davidtuer5825 shouldnt have to have an interpeter come to britain if dont speak english dont come to great britain aka uk
@@colinlock-lv9vv I agree.
@@colinlock-lv9vvGood English here!
@@davidtuer5825Interpreter? Are you serious?
That'd be too expensive. Either they speak the native language of the country or they'll struggle to assimilate and integrate.
My God. Did Miller think that by using an inordinate amount of long words in his response would bamboozle an intellectual like Enoch Powell?
This method worked until 2016. Brexit and Trump broke neoliberal intellectualism for good.
@@BraveInstance or........ social media was used to prove that it’s not about the truth but more about what you can make people believe by playing to their emotions.
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 Only a very small minority of the voting public engage with politics via social media. No one takes intellectuals on their word anymore and rightly so.
@UniworldCityGGaon I wouldn't say Jonathan Miller was a toff only. He was a qualified medical doctor who specialised in Neurology, was an esteemed opera and theatre director and was one of the four members of Beyond the Fringe, which I admired greatly. He wasn't qualified however, in my opinion, to debate with Enoch Powell on such a divisive and potentially explosive issue.
@@BraveInstance are you serious? The whole of middle America follows trump on Twitter.
And 60+ years later and here we are 🇬🇧
My God how right he was. Here we are 50 years later and Birmingham is unrecognizable.
Some might regard that as an improvement.
Name will be changed to Birmingstan by 2050
If you live in Birmingham & are White you are now the minority
@@raedonaldson some but not most
@@jamie25288 Don't chat bollox mate. Birmingham is 75% white according to the ONS. Looks like you're having problems with basic maths. Can't say I'm surprised you gnarly starfish knot.
Enoch Powell a true politician with a backbone, unlike most of the jelly fish we now have in parliament.
a politician for sure - but not enough backbone to stand up against the corporation that peddled Thalidomide.. not enough backbone and real integrity to recognise that people can live next door to others who are not totally identical to themselves without feeling threatened..
Yet collapsed when taken beyond rhetoric by Miller.
@@baronmeduse
We obviously watched a different video to you...
@@marclawyer2789 I see. Maybe you should have watched this one.
Anyone who has faith in a politician is living in denial of the whole of human history.
Politics defeats all opinions in the end, and all political careers end in failure.
Religious careers, on the other hand...
Enoch Powell was a brilliant man; the youngest enlisted man to be promoted to Brigadier, the youngest student to rise to lecturer in OxBridge, an open, honest politician who's only crime was to speak what everyone else was thinking. And looking at the state of the UK now, he was bang on.
@Cardinal Fang But that's the point. It wasn't what everybody else was thinking.
@@derekspitz9225 Those effected by it were. The residents of places like Bradford certainly agreed with him and some parts of London. The rest of the country didn't really see immigrants, so it wasn't an issue for them. It took the influx of millions of Eastern Europeans in the mid 00s to finally wake the rest of the population up and of course the continued growth of the first generation, that began to move out into the suburbs. All of a sudden, every town up and down the country had large numbers of foreigners living in them, hence Brexit. Of course, there were the usual shitlibs who were all for it, but their numbers were small in Powell's day. Sadly, the universities have been churning them out for decades now and their numbers have grown exponentially.
@@suttonformutton6094 lumping all immigrants in together and generalising about them is the problem.
There are economic migrants who come from the EU and contribute more than they consume. These are good for our country and if they don't find work in 3 months they can be deported. That's entirely at the whim of the UK government, not the EU.
Then there are economic migrants from non EU countries. They also have a net benefit, albeit less that EU migrants. Brexit won't address this.
Then we have refugees. These come from a wide range of countries and circumstances so it's not easy to generalise, each has to be looked at individually.
Then there are the illegals. These are a problem, although many of them are the victim of international gangs who rip them off or traffic them.
It's interesting to note that while our country has benefited hugely from immigration our governments haven't used the money to keep up with services. They haven't built more hospitals, employed more doctors, police, nurses, teachers. If anything they've cut the numbers. So the population feels squeezed and instead of blaming governments who took the money and helped billionaires get richer they instead listened to the Press, owned by the same tax dodging billionaires, and blamed it all on foreigners.
And then they blamed the EU. Repeatedly. Lie after lie after lie.
Johnson only backed Leave because he thought it would be a good way to oppose the government and increase his profile. He didn't expect to win.
He knows damn well any deal we could get will be worse than what we have, he knows leaving without a deal will leave us much worse off.
But everyone blamed foreigners, without identifying which ones were bad and which ones weren't.
Everyone voted for Right wing governments who cut public services and tried to end socialism and now there's a pandemic and children going without school lunches suddenly want hand outs from government.
People are gonna get what they voted for and that's the price they're gonna pay for being ignorant and stupid. Don't vote for a clown because you think he's funny because ultimately he's still a fucking clown.
@@JB_inks You're right. But Sutton for Mutton wouldn't understand. Don't waste you breath.
@@JB_inks That's quite a diatribe and mostly wrong. I can't really be bothered to argue with someone who thinks we have a right wing government in this country. Right wing governments don't champion progressive causes and continue mass immigration. You're deluded.
His conversation could not happen today on TV, amazing how patient they both are and have a great discussion about this issue.
Wow how we have lost such language Enoch was an absolute genius Way ahead of his time .
Well it certainly doesn’t help that classic literature has a blanket trigger-warning on it now..😅
Hows that Diversisty working out for you ? Lolz , you deserve everything thats coming
Cringe
Enoch was an incredibly intelligent man. There is a several part documentary of him on you tube. worth watching
@@carlFIELD-pj9ej do you know the name of it ?
Listening to this interview you realise that free speech was lost long ago
very prescient.
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And people back then said free speech was when watching a clip from and old show and people 20 years in the future will be saying the same thing when watching a clip from today and so on.
The same old whine.
And there,are the changes and problems Powell was pointing out.
But here we all are saying exactly what we want.
Those that bemoan the death of free speech usually want to say something cunty but not face the consequences of people responding with, “don’t be cunty.”
We’re only reading this on the internet. Has any of us NOT endured the opinions of others every single time we go online?
Never before were Enoch's words so true
Traitor
@@jupitermoongauge4055 soy boy
Sad 😢
Stay mad. You British fools came tonight country first and now we are taking over yours.
Way ahead of his time
Either way, its very apparent that the British Lexicon has shrunk considerably since 1970
Nah, ain't 'aven' that.
uwot m8
enoch i agree
In our defence, a large number of the words used by both guests are essentially superfluous to the conversation.
The result of a multicultural society. It is necessary in human existence as in mathematics, that an increasingly divergent set of numbers must cater to the *lowest common denominator* in order to continue to present harmony.
Enoch , the man who could see the future . And what a sad future the uk has had 😢😢
Here, in the 70's, two people who STRONGLY disagree still perform a relatively high quality debate. How many have felt the unsettling degeneration of debating standards over the subsequent years?
The Left will no longer debate - they simply smash your face in.
@@patricketienne2579 I don't think they are all like that. Some on the left still debate well. Intelligent arguments against your position refine your own arguments and (in my opinion) there will always be a market for refined, articulate arguments; even if it's just at cocktail parties.
My son and I strongly debate matters we disagree on as do he and his friends-intelligence and respect for your opponents point of view is still alive and well
It's not a 'relatively' high quality debate, it /is/ a high quality debate.
Not a racist. Just realistic about people.
I remember a time when you could hear great debates like this every night down the local pub.
🤣now it's just halfwits struggling to make a sentance
Well, I suppose there would need to still be pubs for that..😒
@@DeSpereaux_ even if we had them ,people were just alot more layed back & didn't take life to seriously & knew how to have a laugh no matter what the circumstances back then. We had great times ,you could feel the energy in the air life was that good.
@@CC-ff7ft yeah well, it can be hard to summon the energy after you’ve consumed your carvery and finished appeasing the children that are running through the tables, working of a sugar rush from the limitless ice cream.. Besides nobody can afford the 2 pints it takes to get into the mood..😅
@@DeSpereaux_ so true.🤣
As a french man let me say that Enoch Powell was a scholar and a prophet!
What is going on in your country? Those riots a few weeks ago were insane. Why arent you voting for le pen en masse?
Ok boomer
You have your own prophet in Marine the who..re Le Pen
The rivers of blood never materialized. he lied on the "school with just one white kid", "lady who had West Indians knock at her door at 0700 AM" etc.
@@MrLee-gj2jz There are schools all across the UK that have few if any White children left.
The rivers of blood will materialize when they have the numbers to do so, but there's already a massive disproportionate amount of violence committed by them.
You cannot ignore Rotherham and all the other grooming gangs across the UK which were almost exclusively Pakistani and the victims almost exclusively White.
A man of courage....And it cost him his career....... So much of what he prophesied has come to pass.
Yeah! Like his prophecy about cell phones and Uber. He was so ahead of his time. Remember when he prophesied about a corona virus pandemic? So chilling! I really hope his prediction of a Super Volcano Extinction Level Event in 2026 isn’t accurate. :-(. Also his prediction of the reemergence of the mullet. :-(
Yep, as the bible says: it’s better to prophesy than to explain..
@@stevehuntley3655 clown
He did explain
Jonathan Miller was right, people of different ethnicities will get on just fine as long as daft racists don't come along to stir up trouble, but his career wasn't ruined.
Let this sink in. 50 years ago the prediction was that 2/5ths of Birmingham's immigrant population and their descendants would take over that city. And what do we have today?
I love hearing these two debate! It's refreshing to see both sides behaving with some sense of civility.
We need these types of honest open conversations now of opposing views without hate between one another.
The virtue signallers won’t allow it and they are the ones that used to tell racist jokes ha ha ha
Facts get you cancelled, along with mentioning anything about those special protected peoples (POC/LGBT) if you yourself are not apart of their dillusional world view.
At the end of the day Enoch Powell spoke the truth, in a world where you can't say the truth
If only there was a real man with a real voice governing England now.
I applaud Mr Powell.
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Nigel is that man