Hogwarts Legacy Critics COMPLAINING about Diversity now???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- Hogwarts Legacy trans representation reportedly labelled "performative bulls***" by developers. Hogwarts Legacy's increased diversity hasn't been wholly well-received.
Attempts to increase diversity in Hogwarts Legacy have reportedly been described as "performative bullshit" - added to the game in response to the backlash against it - by people who worked on the project.
In our Hogwarts Legacy review, we said that the game "takes steps to more closely reflect the inclusivity at the heart of the Harry Potter community," introducing a student from Africa, a blind student, and a transgender witch who lives outside Hogwarts in the village of Hogsmeade.
However, according to Stephanie Sterling, that transgender character was described by an acquaintance who worked on the game as a "token," added "to pivot the conversation away" from J.K. Rowling. That was corroborated by Did You Know Gaming's Liam Robertson, who says that "there was apparently some trans representation added after some of the initial controversy." The presence of that character - described as a pillar of the community in our review - was apparently described by one of Robertson's sources as "performative bullshit." Sterling's source says that the character is "barely" in the game.
HogwartsHogwarts Legacy is not so much a video game as it is an attempt to resolve what was a particular writer's very specific point of view into a "universe" that will please everyone, regardless of whether that ever coheres into something that makes sense.
Disappearing into Hogwarts Castle doesn't render this ongoing debate invisible. In fact, the world of Hogwarts Legacy - in particular, the game's conspicuous attempts at diversity - illuminates Rowling's hatefulness in stark relief. Somehow, Hogwarts as it existed in the 1890s, when the game takes place, is more diverse along every axis than it is in 1995, when the Harry Potter novels begin. When I read the books as a young girl, I longed for more Indian representation than just Parvati and Padma Patil. In Hogwarts Legacy, multiple professors are Indian, as are my classmates. There's a potion vendor in one of the small hamlets that has the same name as my mother. Rather than providing comfort, it makes me skeptical. While Rowling's racial representation has never been good, tossing a half-dozen Indians into the Scottish countryside willy-nilly isn't exactly better. Where did they come from - India, which was still under British rule in the 1800s? And where did they all go by the time Harry got there?
How Hogwarts Legacy fits into the overall fiction of Harry Potter becomes thornier the more you think about these contradictions. If the witch that I met south of campus is, along with her wife, openly a lesbian, then why didn't Dumbledore ever come out of the closet? If it's possible for non-British witches and wizards to teach at Hogwarts, why didn't they in the '90s, when Harry was there? Many, many characters remark on how unusual it is that you're a new student starting as a fifth-year, which is not something that the Potter books ever indicated could happen. But none of the other characters talk about how strange it is that Hogwarts has a transfer student from the Ugandan school Uagadou. In the one book where witches and wizards from other schools showed up, from France and Bulgaria, their presence was treated as a rare oddity.
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Hopefully the devs and others learn not to bother trying to please the mob in the future.
99% chance they double down.
This game is such a hit, there will undoubtedly be a bigger, even more diverse sequel sometime in the future.
@@driakos correct
I wish they would, but warner brothers have been worse and worse on this, every year.
They are even worse than Ubisoft.
The issue I take with it is that if it was racially diverse in the the late 1800s, and not in the time of harry potter, then what EXACTLY did dumbledore do between the times of these two pieces of media?
Maybe Grindlewald committed a genocide?
There is actually already diversity from the side characters in the original HP series. At the end of the day the characters in Hogwarts Legacy are not regular folk; they are fictional witches and wizards who do fictional things like travelling by portkeys and floo powder. They don't have a weird and useless racist system by skin colour in their society according to the fictional world building but instead they unfortunately have the idea of magical blood status which doesn't have anything to do with skin colour. JK clearly shows the magical blood status issue to be a bad thing with characters such as Lily Potter and Hermione. Also since those characters are both white it shows that in that fictional world, the blood status is nothing to do with skin colour/ethnicity or how it is treated by racist folk in our world. Add to that, many parts of the wizarding world are actually hidden away from the muggles e.g. Diagon Alley, The Quiddich World Cup etc. so even if this or that is going on in the 1800s what has it got to do with diversity in the wizarding world?
Add to that the fact that witches and wizards would obviously be more powerful than racist muggles so if you use your imagination any of the racist muggle issues wouldn't harm them or stop them from arriving in Scotland.
At the end of the day only JK can tell us canon because it's her creation.
You literally can't satisfy these people. You just need to ignore them
No matter what you do, someone will find it offensive.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t
If you think it’s hilarious watching these hypocrites do backflips, arguing against their OWN talking points, smash that subscribe button!
There is no way to win - even for them. The battle is never done, the goalposts move ever out of range to a vanishing point where everyone is their own community - all at war.
When you're an activist, you need that battle, that enemy to fight.
That is why when i start to make my own game, i wlll make it full of blonde and redhead fit people, because i like handsome and beautiful characthers
What exactly are you implying?
Guys, i get your point, but in these times diversity really wasn't that big in these times. I know why they're doing it, but it doesn't serve realism well.
But since we are playing games to escape reality, who cares? I love the game as it is.
You have to remember, HP isn't a historical parallel of our world. It's the HP universe. Maybe they didn't have a colonial phase? Maybe the colonies were liberated a couple hundred years ago? Who knows...
That’s what I’m saying. These sites are usually demanding diversity in everything, even where it doesn’t make sense. But they hate Rowling so much, they’ll flip 180 degrees just to dunk on her, through this game.
Personally, I think the diversity is too forced and it is distracting, but the game is still great.
@@TG-ge1oh It is in universe a parallel history to our own, just hidden in little enchanted pockets to protect the divide between the Wizards and the Muggles. The minster of Magic reports to Tony Blair in one book while he waits on a call from President Bush (the meanest man ever, we are told).
At the end of the day the characters are not regular folk; they are fictional witches and wizards who do fictional things like travelling by portkeys and floo powder. They don't have a weird and useless racist system by skin colour in their society according to the fictional world building but instead they unfortunately have the idea of magical blood status which doesn't have anything to do with skin colour. JK clearly shows the magical blood status issue to be a bad thing with characters such as Lily Potter and Hermione. Also since those characters are both white it shows that in that fictional world, the blood status is nothing to do with skin colour/ethnicity or how it is treated by racist folk in our world. Add to that, many parts of the wizarding world are actually hidden away from the muggles e.g. Diagon Alley, The Quiddich World Cup etc. so even if this or that is going on in the 1800s what has it got to do with diversity in the wizarding world?
Add to that the fact that witches and wizards would obviously be more powerful than racist muggles so if you use your imagination any of the racist muggle issues wouldn't harm them or stop them from arriving in Scotland.
At the end of the day only JK can tell us canon because it's her creation.
@@juddgoswick2024 Parallel realism, then? What I'm trying to say is that the points of departure can be anywhere, really. People are questioning out-of-time diversity, but not out-of-place magic portals in Kings Cross Station. The real station doesn't have a portal. Isn't that breaking the immersion? Just the fact that UK is shown to have diversity, which it didn't have back then?
Its to much diversity for me. Every second character looking indian. We are still in england right? Its feels so wrong.. like they really just do it that people shut up
Looks like Dumbledore took care of the diversity problem by the time the books came around then eh?
Maybe that's what Gindlewald did that never gets mentioned.
There is actually already diversity from the side characters in the original HP series.
Almost half of the school in the European country in the 1800s are from Uganda and India, some of the students came from Japan, and there is a Korean caretaker.
If this was modern times hogwarts it would make more sense. Not 1800’s Scotland lol at least most the accents in the game are english.
And on the other hand it is a magical world separate from the muggle world so i could buy wizard kind being more progressive race wise. Idk about trans wise tho.
Yeah, it’s a bit over the top, but I could definitely buy that the wizard if world developed very differently.
God I hate that word “progressive”. It isn’t progressive, it’s just erasure and replacement of the English, Welsh, Scots, and Irish.
@@Devin7Eleven Yeah, in reality, it's actually regressive.
Yeah its kinda weird seeing this much diversity, its like seeing white guys in a game set in Han Dynasty of China, or bunch of Asians in an Indian Maratha empire game, even if you add a bunch of monsters and magic and all in those games.
For a story to feel real suspension of disbelief must take place. There is an explanation in Harry Potter as to how there are magical creatures everywhere, but not as to how it was a hundred times more diverse 250 years before our time.
@@Michael_Bancroft It's really not 'a hundred times more diverse'. There is actually already diversity from the side characters in the original HP series. The only difference in Hogwarts Legacy is that the professors are diverse. Add to the fact that people are noticing it more and some feel it is 'too much' because of the day and age we live in where extreme ideas float around on the internet and people hardly get outside anymore. It's pretty balanced and suits the wizarding world, and there are plenty of white characters in Hogwarts Legacy.
now I got in mind the tts episode where the custodes shield captain's double standards double over and dies.
Didn’t know hogwarts was in modern day Brazil
Hogwarts 250 years ago too!
Why don't they just let it be?! I mean, did it affect the gameplay quality?
Haters gonna hate. Nothing gonna please them despite half of them growing up loving the shit
True
I never noticed that the tavern lady was actually trans... im not a huge fan of nowadays LGTB charcaters but it still does not bother me.
I was more into non-white charcaters, like Natsai because of that she became one of my favorite charcaters due to her back story and personality.
They just wanna complain... Simple as that
Yep
Nothing you do will be good enough so just ignore them and if needed slap their hands to make them stop.....
Except they never reflect or alter course, no matter how much they fail
Love the good points 🔼.
Thanks!
Of course it doesn't make sense, considering the game is set in 19th century Scotland, but whatever, its still a good game.
I was questioning it at the start since it's set in the late 1800s where everyone was racially devided and stuck with their groups. but then I just thought maybe in the wizarding world everyone got along unlike those filthy disgusting muggles. 😅
I figure it’s because wizards discriminate against muggles and so focus more on whether someone has magic or not rather than their race
I'm gay guy and I identify as a person foremost. These activists that are fuming on the internet fighting and criticising everything and everyone. This game is one of the best games that actually represented and implemented a lot of diversity in the gaming world. Now they're doing the same shit to the developers what bad people did to us in the past, now they are torturing game developers and it's not their fault for JKs actions.
What actions?
Honestly I found the super large diversity to be pretty distracting
Played for 20mins and I already find the game disgusting with this "inclusion" bs.
Nothing different than throwing a thousand tentacle alien, 5 pirates, 3 cripples, 10 penguins and 2 parrots as students to make the game "eco-friendly and more diverse".
You’re assuming activists operate with a sense of logic and consistency.
My mistake 😆
Wanna know why all the hate and critics, its because Rowlin still gains a little bit of revenue, thats all, they hate Rowlin, because before this game there wasnt a single boycot or problem with the Magical Beast movies, they attacked Rowling directly free but this was good game so good product gives money to the one we hate, so yeah, all hate is because its Rowling thats all, so stupid.
I honestly don't see a problem with the amount of diversity in this game and people who have a problem with it you need to reevaluate your life if you think it's this big of a problem..
Because it’s set in Victorian Britain.
Invaders only started coming here around 30 years ago.
I think that there was a good balance of characters. Those who are saying it's 'too forced' need to just touch some grass and get outside and travel more then maybe you won't feel so uncomfortable to know that other people are also playing this game who are from different countries.
Also, I think some American extreme liberals are deliberately messing things up when it comes to confusing people about what is and isn't racist. They either are just too narcissistic to see they are not progressive or it's done on purpose to cause division between people. Most of the time they are not even from the demographic they are talking about but they continue to chat their 'progressive' bull.
Either way these 'progressive' people today don't hold a candle to people like MLK or Malcolm X.
Logical people who actually truly care about these things are given no voices or platforms at all in this day and age.
So anyway about the Diversity in Hogwarts Legacy. Well, some people are applying their own myopic ideas to a fictional world. At the end of the day the characters are not regular folk; they are fictional witches and wizards who do fictional things like travelling by portkeys and floo powder. They don't have a weird and useless racist system by skin colour in their society according to the fictional world building but instead they unfortunately have the idea of magical blood status which doesn't have anything to do with skin colour. JK clearly shows the magical blood status issue to be a bad thing with characters such as Lily Potter and Hermione. Also since those characters are both white it shows that in that fictional world, the blood status is nothing to do with skin colour/ethnicity or how it is treated by racist folk in our world. Add to that, many parts of the wizarding world are actually hidden away from the muggles e.g. Diagon Alley, The Quiddich World Cup etc. so even if this or that is going on in the 1800s what has it got to do with diversity in the wizarding world?
Add to the fact that witches and wizards would obviously be more powerful than racist muggles so if you use your imagination any of the racist muggle issues wouldn't harm them or stop them from arriving in Scotland.
At the end of the day only JK can tell us canon because it's her creation.
I just dislike BOTH the extreme American right wingers and the American extreme leftists. If both of these sides just shuts up, the world would indefinitely be a better place.
Now we know that this movement in itself is just stupid that destroys actually good stuff. But I guess unless it destroys what a nation stands for something like that people will still ignore it until it reaches they're door steps and takes away thier kids
You’d hope that when it starts coming for the kids directly, that would be enough to shake people awake, but I worry for this world. The masses are asleep.
@@Michael_Bancroft True
yeah the game where you fight Harry Potter's equivalent to civil rights activists is soooo progressive
They’re evil goblins, not house elves
Stop looking at everything through the lens of our modern world
There's a lot of Indians in England, I mean A LOT
In the mid 1800s?
@@Michael_Bancroft yeah, cause business. East India Company and british raj.
@@Michael_Bancroft I believe those teachers and students were transfers from the Indian wizarding school.
@@RaikageSama No, there wasn’t. Not to the extent the game has. Indians only started becoming the majority in recent years to the point one of them became prime minister
There trying way to hard to cancel this game
Funny because the game is set at a time when India and many parts of Africa were part of the British Empire so it would actually make sense to have people from these countries attend Hogwarts.
No, it wouldn’t. Immigration to the UK at the time still wasn’t substantial enough to warrant native whites to become a minority in the video game. More than half the game is non native which is ludicrous if you’re trying to recreate 1800s Scotland. At least try to respect the culture you’re wanting to replace.
I know its so fucked 😫
heres a criticism of the game.....its fn BORING and slow.....a ton of prog crap in it...nonsensical crap...but overall....B O R I N G
And that's still more valid than any review brought in by the outraged crowd.
I don't mind that it's slow, but I'm not actually playing, just have it on the in the background while I draw. There is a lot of talking, and yeah, I'm wondering, did they corral ALL the non-white people in the UK into this school?
Hey, there are people that like car racing games, shooting games, rpgs, anime games. It's okay to like a certain game type.
Hail
Their fake outrage only made the game more popular and more successful 😂
I downloaded the No Diversity Mod and now the game is much better, it's actually set in 18th century Scotland.
Is that for real?
@@Michael_Bancroft yes
@@PogU_4Life ha, nice!
What's the issue with diversity? There are plenty of white characters in there so my only conclusion is that some are racist and don't wish for more than one non-white character to be part of a fictional story. Some people do need to touch grass if a fictional non-white character is that triggering that you have to get rid of it. Where is the logic? People are only applying their myopic views to a fictional world. At the end of the day the characters are not regular folk; they are fictional witches and wizards who do fictional things like travelling by portkeys and floo powder. They don't have a weird racist system by skin colour in their society according to the fictional world building but instead they unfortunately have the idea of magical blood status which doesn't have anything to do with skin colour. JK clearly shows the magical blood status issue to be a bad thing with characters such as Lily Potter and Hermione. Also since those characters are both white it shows that in that fictional world, the blood status is nothing to do with skin colour/ethnicity or how it is treated by racist folk in our world. Add to that, many parts of the wizarding world are actually hidden away from the muggles e.g. Diagon Alley, The Quiddich World Cup etc. so even if this or that is going on in the 1800s what has it got to do with diversity in the wizarding world?
Add to the fact that witches and wizards would obviously be more powerful than racist muggles so if you use your imagination any of the racist muggle issues wouldn't harm them or stop them from arriving in Scotland.
@@SmileyUna123 How would you feel if there was a story set in Africa, in a village for example in 1800s and there were white and asian people living in the village ? That wouldn't make any sense.
How about a Black Panther movie with half the cast being white in Wakanda ?