Heard a couple of different stories about him, on one day the extras has already gone past their fifth "Meal penalty" (you get paid more if you don't eat after five hours but most extras would rather just have lunch than get a meal penalty). Danny demanded that the extras be fed or he was going to walk off the set. On another day he had a food fight with the extras - wish I could have been there. I showed up the next day and saw eggs and tomatoes smeared all over the wall and was like "what the hell happened here" and the other extras said "oh, we had a food fight with Danny Devito".
I agree with that. He played this character very well for the ambiance of a dark film. I wouldn't call it acting at its finest, but it was good. I say, it's worth a "C+" or "B-".
Potato Potata You know, not everybody likes onions. What about parfaits. Everybody likes parfaits. Have you ever heard someone say: "Hey let's have some parfaits" and the other says "No, parfaits are not my thing."?
LightShadow Wolf Same thing happened in Batman v Superman when Affleck’s mask is removed. No raccoon eyes. I didn’t realise Batman even wore eye makeup until Big Daddy donned his before a fight in Kick-Ass
My friends, when you get harshly rejected, stay strong and keep making progress. Take steps that will put you in a better situation than the day before. There will come a time when they realize they regret rejecting you the way they did, but by the time they realize it, it will be too late for them. And what ever you do, Do Not Take Them back. This video is a red pill without calling it a red pill.
Every character with a secret identity on Arrow And The Flash do this as well. It bothers me because they clearly have makeup around their eyes with masks or hoods on, but it disappears when they take them off or down and vice versa.
@@WrestlingSmarks they didn't have to film him with his eyes looking like that. Couldve cut to him ripping it off right away and then it wouldn't have been as noticeable
@@ricktheitalianrebel6687 in the movies Batman's suit is mentioned as a rubber suit but in reality it's made of latex. The hoods, chest armor, legs & vice versa. That's why he was able to rip it so easily. Rubber would take a lot more strength to rip, whereas latex is more tearable.
4:34 About the dollhouse, I believe she was destroying her one childhood item that kept her sane,calm and collected but at that point she was already going insane which caused her to lose her innocence and sanity therefore resulting as Catwoman. I also think she had a dream of living the perfect life as she probbaly dreamed about when she was young.
My bad this is late but this movie has some things that don’t make sense but overall it’s a good dark story and there’s tons of little details like that, that the average person is going to miss, imo this is the 3rd best batman movie behind the Batman and the dark knight, also the reason Bruce was so “dark” and depressed and had little motivation this movie was because what happened with Vicky
@@SantaPorter I'm talking about Avatar the Last Anime Rip-Off. I wanted to like it but instead I watched as everything I love about the Heroes Journey and fantasy quests was treated as a bad punchline. And don't try to tell me I should like it, I've had almost a hundred arguments about this.
@@godzillavkk the avatar movie sucked so bad, just ignore the fact they ripped the story straight off ferntree gully, As a result I didn't watch the anime, honestly didn't know they did one
12:48 ...you're going to sin the fact that his CD player has a Batman logo and not the fact that it can somehow be used to _scratch a CD_ when he hacks into the sound system?!?
Penguin has a yellow duck for a toy or decoration in or on his crib cage at the begining, it was the only toy his bastard parents ever gave him. I'm 90% sure at least.
@Martin Verner Yeah, Mister wuss (lol) is clearly stating an opinion and not fact. Twins and Throw mama were good movies. Twins was a little better out of those two, I think. DeVito was also good in Ruthless People, War of the roses, Romancing the stone and Jewel of Nile. And was also good in Always sunny
Hey. Just wanted to point out in that scene with Catwoman eating the bird? That wasn't fake. Michelle Pfeifer actually put a live bird in her mouth for this.
Everything good : 1 - Most of the movie scènes are nocturnal, the night is Batman's world. 2 - Gotham City's architecture wich is exactly what it should be, a 30's 40's fantasy city, like an over the top Chicago. 3 - Best Catwoman ever. 4 - Irreplaceable musics (sorry Hans). 5- Magnificient photography.
0:45 Gotham City - 33 Years Later: They used the specific age of 33 because that's how old Jesus was when he was crucified. I'm really surprised that you guys missed that one. Happy Easter!
I think we can remove a couple of Sins for misunderstanding the plot of Penguin's life before the film. It's pretty clear that baby Penguin was rescued from the sewers by someone from the Circus - it's noted that he was the Bird Boy. That's where he would have learned English and how to read and write. Anyhow,... despite every Sin, I love this movie!
@@captainthruster9484 Boo! Most women are intelligent. I found this particular character so funny because she's so uniquely stupid and a total contrast to most women.
2:43 Oswald had been with the circus since he was a young boy (as stated when Bruce reads news clippings about the Red Triangle Gang). That’s how Oswald learned English.
Despite the flaws, this is still one of my favorite batman movies. I just have to forget most things wrong with it, but the great atmosphere and style negates a lot of things wrong with it. But the first was better.
jordan w The first was by far better. Yes this was darker but it just wasn't executed correctly. The first Batman imo is the only non Nolanverse Batman that is good.
Loved this movie and the first one. I could watch these things over and over. So sad when the Penguin dies and all the little penguins take his body away. *tear*
@@liquidbraino I don't know what @Fwuffycodbunny said because his comment appears to have been deleted. But I have noticed a fault revolved around Penguin which Cinemasins didn't mention. When Penguin has taken control over the batmobile, Batman records Penguin yelling "You've gotta admit, I've played this stinking city like a harp from hell, hahaha!". But when Batman plays it back to the crowd later during his speech, that line is said by Penguin in a much lower and less yelling tone
@@16shogunelitegreen Catwoman is like, the opposite of a feminist. She's very obviously only there in any movie to provide eye candy and fetish material. Like. Very obviously. Her whole character is "Hot sexy woman" to the point where I'm uncomfortable seeing her because she's just That Fucking Bad and I'm just That Damn Gay
I had a few. 1) In 8th grade, my English teacher was terrible. A girl could hand in an assignment late because she understood what they were going through, she marked me down because I had to type rather than write my test answers once because I injured my hand to the point I couldn't physically hold a pen and could only type left handed. (10 points off because it had to be written, but girl hands in assignment late, no points off.) Also, side note that is minor. My grandmother was an American Citizen that grew up in Canada and so she used Canadian spelling for some words. I grew up in the US, but she often was there when I came home and helped me with my homework). So, I picked up spelling for some words that aren't the American way, I got points taken off for "Spelling errors." I think it was just more crap from her to be honest. But the way I was treated in that class and another English Teacher in High School killed any desire I had to write anything. 2) I had an art teacher in 9th grade that always complain about how I chose to paint paintings that we had no real instructions on. We had to do a self portrait and most people did it as close to realistic as they could. I didn't want to do the assignment, but had to. So I did myself in Red Scale essentially. Various shades of red rather than more normal colors and I thought it looked cool, I loved it. She gave me a C or D for failure to follow instructions ... the instructions were literally "Paint a self portrait." Nothing on how. It was shown in the art show and classmates of mine recognized it. However, when a girl "expressed" herself it was set as an "example of how to put yourself in the painting." She killed my desire for art. I still occasionally do something things, but they aren't even close to what I did prior just because of one teacher. On a side note: That class is also the reason Beyonce annoys me. Hearing Destiny's Child pretty much every day drove me mad. 3) I had an argument with a co-worker that I don't like it when women tell me that I should smile because I look more handsome when I smile. Or commenting me when I get a haircut. She told me "They are just being nice." but if a fucking man said something like that ... it's sexist. I am like WTF ... I am pretty sure the reason why the sexual harassment between the sexes is more so that men don't realize they are being harassed while women consider far more things harassment. 4) Sometimes I take one of my nieces out for my sister, she has 4 kids total, 3 are girls. This past weekend I felt the eyes of a older woman just watching me with my youngest niece while we were having lunch at burger king after I took her to horse back riding for my sister. Didn't say anything, just I say her looking at me and felt I was being stared at when I left. It wasn't the first time something like this happened. Luckily, I know a lot of people who tell me that I am a great uncle for helping out my sister and that what I do for my nieces and nephew is something they wish they had when raising their kids.
Even as a kid I thought Penguin having the blueprints for the Batmobile was extremely illogical, sill love this movie to death tho. Also, this movie came out on my 9th birthday and I had a calendar on my wall marking its release.
+no hassle How did he take over and make the circus gang living in the sewers. Was the circus gang always in the sewers? And how is he so familiar with idioms and pop culture? Why does the circus gang even reside in the sewers and chose to make penguin their leader
Deonta B Why the fuck are you asking me? I didn't make the film. My assumption is better than anything you dumb fucks could come up with. Better than saying that the Penguins taught him everything (unless they are highly intelligent mutated Penguins like Splinter from The Turtles).
1:52 MAX forgot the speech, and Selina says "Oh darn" because she knows she's going to be UNJUSTLY blamed for it. That's made clear by Max's line in the scene immediately afterward.
@@nedtempleton4873 The novelization makes clear that Selina wrote the speech for Max, but it was still Max's responsibility to put it in the folder. It's just that Selina was so afraid of Max she was willing to let him scapegoat her for everything, and Max knew this.
I say Danny Devito should come back in another Batman movie as a new villain: The Trashman. He comes out, and he throws trash, all over Gotham, and then he starts eating garbage.
There is nothing wrong with this movie, I love it so much 😂 It has that great Tim Burton Christmas vibe, I watched it for the first time like 4 or 5 years ago and it's still so nostolgiac to me for some reason
+MadamPluto I am highly disappointed that a sin wasn't removed for one of the more 'baity' catsuit scenes. I mean, that was a *well* fitted catsuit. Well fitted. Sorry, I think I'm twelve years old again....
as far as I know, Michelle portraying the Catwoman is still the best. Anne Hathaway is quite nice too except the costume that she wears. and Halle is the worst so far.
Fun fact Michelle peiffer actually learned how to use a whip for the movie any scene with cat woman using the whip is actually Michelle and not a stunt double
Did you know that when Michelle was in the cat suit for the first time she found a wardrobe malfunction by there is no easy way out of suit....so if you have to pee...
Just watched it last week for that exact reason, I don't care if I can recite the damn script..I watch it! Haha easily my favorite line of the movie is "eat floor..high fiber" haha
+Mark Price this was one of my first movie theatre expierences. there is something about this movie that stood out for me and made me like it even after so many years. The way it's done is weirdly capturing.
Batman Returns was my shit. I love this movie, and I love the Penguin in this movie. Not saying this video is horrible, it was actually funny. But just gonna say this is my favorite Batman movie besides 1989 Batman and Dark Knight.
Yeah pal, I kinda liked Batman Returnes too, mainly because of the games that waere released based on tha movie, the Master system versionrocks due to the awesome music. This movie iuntil today has some magic in it I coud'nt explain..
Longtime viewer, first time commenter. I just want to say I rewatched this movie for the first time in years yesterday and have gained a completely new perspective on the scene in which Selina becomes Catwoman, and I believe the Cinema Sinner has misunderstood the tone of the scene. Until recently, I too didn’t really understand why she would spend so much time destroying her apartment, but now I think it’s meant to imply the violation she felt when her boss, a man she is supposed to be able to trust and rely on, attempted to murder her. Not to get all Gender Studies 101 on Cinema Sins, but I believe it was meant to be comparative to sexual assault as she lived through a traumatic experience dealt to her body and destroying her apartment was a way to regain some level of control. When she realized she still felt anguish over her circumstances, she planned to exact revenge while maintaining her anonymity, and in the world of Batmen, it stands to reason she would give her avenging alter ego a bit of flair and personality. Feel free to say I’m reading too much into a potentially silly scene in an obviously very silly movie, but I think that this is part of that darker side of Batman Burton began exploring that lost him Forever and Robin.
It's def a sexual assault allegory and I didn't realize it until a few years ago and even tho I do hate that trope for the most part, I love it for Selina Kyle. She takes control of her sexuality in a dominatrix type suit and whip. This movie is so good.
I just rewatched it today and while I don't think SEXUAL assault has anything to do with it, I think she had a very near death experience thrust on her and her old infantile existence had no meaning anymore. Imagine if she had died and all that would have remained of her were pink cat sweaters, stuffed animals and a freaking doll house! She was a very late bloomer and wanted to affirm her womanhood (and sexuality) before it was too late.
It's still faster and easier just to have a simple marker for the numbers. It doesn't even need to be a number, just a marker. Also, it avoids the messiness of it being "around 15 minutes pastish" when you need to know if it's 18 minutes past or 13 minutes past.
Fun Fact: The Extra he points out at 6:02 that talks about The Frog & The Prince is actually the same actress who ended up playing Gossip Gerty in Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. She was married to Bob Kane prior to his death, co-creator of Batman and a host of other characters. I had to IMDB this after recognizing her in this video. Thanks, CinemaSins. I learned something new today.
I still love this movie! I think that a lot of the sins you gave it were elements in the plot that were meant to be strange, such as Penguin being raised by penguins. Tim Burton (the director) was probably going for a dark fairy tale vibe. His movies don't take themselves as deadly serious as Christopher Nolan's, so I think we can give Burton leeway that we don't give Nolan. The stuff that made no sense in the Nolan films, especially The Dark Knight Rises, are MUCH less forgivable.
Lets see... 10 The Penguin's are from a dilapidated Zoo that is directly above where his carriage stopped 30 He took out 9 guys, not 4 (and the whole thing was just a distraction anyway) 32 The Penguin was raised by the Red Triangle Gang 33 I'd imagine Penguin decided to fix the documents because they were flushed down there with a dead body. 47 Dollhouse destruction is there for symbolism 49 She makes a costume because she's having a mental breakdown and is retreating from her life by creating a new persona. 76 Comic Batman killed intermittently until the 1990s 131 They're being controlled through the little helmets, this has happened in the comics before. 134 That woman has been working for him throughout the film
Pinto Beanz I think it's the best Batman movie by far. I was 7 when it came out, and I saw it in theaters. I'll always love it the best, and no stupid video is gonna tell me otherwise.
The difference between this movie and a lot of other bad comic book movies is, this movie can still be enjoyed for its bizarre-ness. Yeah, it has more cons than pros. It's scattered, clunky, unfocused, and badly paced to boot. But, for all that, it's a good time. I watch it at least once a year, and it honestly never fails to hold my interest. I can't call it a good movie, but I still love it.
She doesn't have powers. The only time Catwoman had powers was in the shitty-ass Halle Berry 2004 film. A film regarded by many as a complete insult to the character for the very reason of her having super-human powers in it. What makes Catwoman Catwoman is that her power is the lack-there of. She is a woman of seduction, confidence, and ruthlessness. Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman is what makes this movie great. She nails it (no punt intended) completely. Her character is so thorough, so perfectly depicted, that you can use it in every Batman adaptation / world of story and it works. Without her performance in this movie it is just another live-action Batman movie like the first. The real sin is that without her character this movie falls rather flat. She binds it all together. The double-crossing and the conflicts are interesting because of her. "Meow" - Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman
No powers? So a lonely and geeky secretary suddenly gains the ability to kick ass and kung fu, unrivaled acrobatic abilities and survive multiple gun shots? Yup, no powers at all. Pfeiffer's Catwoman isn't so much seductive and confident as she is batshit crazy and mentally unstable. Also Catwoman in the comics is rarely ruthless, she is sympathetic despite being morally ambiguous and doesn't murder innocents like Pfeiffer's Catwoman murdered the ice princess to get to Batman. Not to mention where are the cat burglar elements? Catwoman in the comics is a professional thief, it's a huge part of her character. There's nothing wrong in enjoying this version of Catwoman, but she is a horrible adaptation of the character.
Thomas Jiang The gunshots she takes aren't lethal and you also have to think about world of story. The Tim Burton world of story for Batman Returns is not to be taken literal or seriously. We don't know enough about her to say she has no experience fighting. I'm a skinny chick that looks like a twig that can be pushed over with a glare. Meanwhile I spend my free time doing martial arts and have 0 problems taking people down. Did she suddenly? Maybe, but the characters are rather out-there to say the least. In the world she is a part of she is very normal and average aside from the personality. She is certainly a dark adaptation of the character but it makes sense in the world. She would be out of place if she was not a revenge driven insane individual. Cat burglar elements I do believe lack in the overall story. I think it is one thing that it touched on as being a potential part of her psyche but she gets thrown into the Batman story before it gets embedded into her image. She "robs" by breaking in, more or less. That creates the image that she is capable of it.
CelinettaTheWitch I'd say taking multiple gunshots in the torso without bleeding out and surviving the electrocution that killed Max Shreck would require some superpowers. There's also certainly nothing to indicate that she has any martial arts background either. All we see is that she's a lonely secretary who lives in a small apartment. Not to mention she was easily physically intimidated by her boss, I doubt if she would be this easily intimidated if she was trained in self defense prior to getting pushed out of the building. So why don't we see normal people in these films take out thugs that fast? Why do we need Batman? I don't recall anyone else do flips without breaking a sweat and climb the side of a building within a second. Plus don't you think that explanation completely undervalues Catwoman as a villain? That she doesn't really have any exceptional capabilities, just some chick who just happens to not be mentally sound and dress in tight leather? Dark? I would say more campy with some creepy undertones than anything, and that applies for the entire film. Something that's vaguely hinted at doesn't excuse the lack of said characterization. Plus she went in with the intention of destroying Shreck's property.
The gunshot wounds are in multiple locations that you can survive. That's beside the point as you are right on the lack of blood and the general fact that she is capable of continuing to stand. The electric shock I never believed she actually kissed. Many adaptations have developed the female tease is deadly approach. Personally I like it. This movie does require you to take not take anything seriously and suspend your disbelief. The things people survive in this movie are questionable regardless of the character. Penguins raising a disfigured boy is enough of que that you can't be critical of things like blood. When I say normal I did not intend to imply it takes away from the character but rather it is her personality that defines everything about her. Without the personality she is just a chick in tight leather. We don't see normal people do what she does because they are the mindless mass that is Gothem. A group of people who have to be saved from themselves because they can't see the evil right in front of them. Instead of defending themselves they just let people take and take. She was just like them. In that, she is normal and average. Also, it is amazing what people can do when driven into a corner or being subjected to something that break them. I've seen people who were pushed too far and out of no where beat the crap out of someone like they had been fighting for years. You push the right buttons and almost anyone can do anything. Look at Justin Bieber...(cringe) The kicking, jumping, etc that she gets, I always felt that was an imprint of who she always wanted to be. When she broke, nothing held her back from being that person. The revenge gave her reason. To me, it all made sense. I've never taken this movie seriously though and perhaps that is why I am not seeing what you are saying until now. To me, you can't look at this movie and apply the rules of logic. You have to go off the rules of the world of story. I don't believe it should be excused but I do think it was an excellent display of what she is capable of. That the cat-burglar'ing is something she can excel at. Given more screen time it would have had enough time to happen.
also, a couple more things forgotten in this film, Penguin while raised by penguins, the circus eventually took him in, that's where he would've learned to talk and read, also, Catwoman's badass outfit should've taken off some sins, it's just that awesome, and also, Penguin acts like a child a lot, that penguin scanner in the penguin army scene just sounds awesome, making the penguin battle awesome and should at least remove 1 sin, the Batman opening theme should remove 5 sins because it's awesome and it gets you pumped up for action, that's why he's got a yellow duck vehicle, oh, and another forgotten sin, when Catwoman's making her outfit, she cuts a bit of metal wire twine/slinky with a pair of pliers for no reason, and another sin, at the point where it says "33 years later" there's a frickin creepy face in amongst the buildings in Gotham, it's like the Statue Of Liberty's brother that just hides between buildings in Gotham and just stares creepily for no reason, it's still creepy
@@missxspencer1538 no that's not what I was talking about actually, her claws are something different, still awesome, I'm talking during the sewing scene she just cuts a slinky with pliers for no reason, doubt it was for the regular sewing machine to be converted to a stil string one
@@KatOwO2235 lol I didn't realize I responded to you twice. And yeah ur right, I forgot she gets the little claw things from the drawer or something, nevermind.
@@ricktheitalianrebel6687 i strongly disagree about this movie being terrible, i would even argue that its better than batman 1989, but its your opinion
@@laratropp8832, it’s why I don’t love TDK trilogy as much as others. It doesn’t feel like a comic book movie because Nolan made the movie too realistic by making lawyers and police officers more important than Batman. Well, TDK and TDKR at least.
Seeing this film tells you what he was going for in Always Sunny when he played the Troll and the villain in the Gang's Lethal Weapon movies. And it's awesome.
Who else has been watching Cinema Sins so much that they can't go watch a movie now without a sin counter dinging in their head when they see something sin worthy? I mean, I just watched Batman V Superman, and I added a mental sin every time Batman kills people like he's in one of these Tim Burton Batman movies, and commentary in the same fashion as the narrator of Cinema Sins too. Is that a sin on me?
"Do we really give a shit what exact age that penguin baby grows up to be in this film?"Your entire channel is predicated on that sort of thing not being explained in movies. I swear, movies are damned if they do, damned if they don't in your eyes.
I love how Keaton rises to the bat signal at the beginning, like he’s just been sitting around waiting for it to go off
Danny Devito was an excellent choice to fit the role for the Penguin.
He's also a really nice guy from what I've heard. I worked on Batman Returns but never got to meet him.
Heard a couple of different stories about him, on one day the extras has already gone past their fifth "Meal penalty" (you get paid more if you don't eat after five hours but most extras would rather just have lunch than get a meal penalty). Danny demanded that the extras be fed or he was going to walk off the set. On another day he had a food fight with the extras - wish I could have been there. I showed up the next day and saw eggs and tomatoes smeared all over the wall and was like "what the hell happened here" and the other extras said "oh, we had a food fight with Danny Devito".
I agree with that. He played this character very well for the ambiance of a dark film. I wouldn't call it acting at its finest, but it was good. I say, it's worth a "C+" or "B-".
They never told him about the movie. They told him it was a costume party and just hit record
@@liquidbraino That's really cool. What was your job while working on the film?
"Why are there penguins in the sewer?" The penguins are in the abandoned zoo and their auditorium is connected to the sewer system.
There are Penguins in the sewer system.
Ooooooohhh that makes sen- BWAHAHAHAHAHA couldn't finish THAT sentence without laughing.
It's illustrated in the first 2 minutes of the movie! 🤷♂️😘
Christoph Brinkmann water.....the sewer is connected so they have water.it just got abandoned over time and polluted
@DarthLesbian420 um, hello, there's crime all over the place. The city doesn't have resources to relocate animals.
I disagree with your comment of Catwoman being there and pointless, she's the best thing about the movie.
Besides the sight of her in the cat suit Michelle's performance surprised the hell out of me, one woman's journey through Hell and back again
This guy's narration is SOOO annoying!
@@danmseattle975 then don't watch it.
Michelle Pfeiffer ' s Catwoman suit is great.
I kinda admit it too , I want to see her fall to the ground full body and not close up to her head
honestly I liked Shrek better when he was an Ogre. He had such depth to his character, layers even.
You mean, like cakes?
WJZAV no! like onions
Potato Potata You know, not everybody likes onions.
What about parfaits. Everybody likes parfaits.
Have you ever heard someone say: "Hey let's have some parfaits" and the other says "No, parfaits are not my thing."?
What's a parfait? More like oxygen. When was the last time you heard "Nah, oxygen gives me indigestion" or some sh*t like that?
Alcadias0 well you know what they say it’s all ogre now
Where is the second cat?
Selina Kyle, duh.
This comment was better than this entire video
Foreshadowing
They should added a sin because batman had no black eye liner when he took off the mask
LightShadow Wolf Same thing happened in Batman v Superman when Affleck’s mask is removed. No raccoon eyes.
I didn’t realise Batman even wore eye makeup until Big Daddy donned his before a fight in Kick-Ass
@@Shakes-Off-Fear Haha wow. I just watched kick ass a couple of days and go and found out about the makeup 😂
Apparently the eyeliner was supposed to be shadows around the eyes
My friends, when you get harshly rejected, stay strong and keep making progress. Take steps that will put you in a better situation than the day before. There will come a time when they realize they regret rejecting you the way they did, but by the time they realize it, it will be too late for them. And what ever you do, Do Not Take Them back. This video is a red pill without calling it a red pill.
The eyeliner is shadows around the eyes.
You forgot to sin the part where Batman takes off his cowl and all of the sudden has ZERO eye make-up.
Every character with a secret identity on Arrow And The Flash do this as well. It bothers me because they clearly have makeup around their eyes with masks or hoods on, but it disappears when they take them off or down and vice versa.
@@WrestlingSmarks they didn't have to film him with his eyes looking like that. Couldve cut to him ripping it off right away and then it wouldn't have been as noticeable
Why did he rip his mask off? And, why did it rip so easily?
Always bothered me that one!
@@ricktheitalianrebel6687 in the movies Batman's suit is mentioned as a rubber suit but in reality it's made of latex. The hoods, chest armor, legs & vice versa. That's why he was able to rip it so easily. Rubber would take a lot more strength to rip, whereas latex is more tearable.
4:34
About the dollhouse, I believe she was destroying her one childhood item that kept her sane,calm and collected but at that point she was already going insane which caused her to lose her innocence and sanity therefore resulting as Catwoman. I also think she had a dream of living the perfect life as she probbaly dreamed about when she was young.
My bad this is late but this movie has some things that don’t make sense but overall it’s a good dark story and there’s tons of little details like that, that the average person is going to miss, imo this is the 3rd best batman movie behind the Batman and the dark knight, also the reason Bruce was so “dark” and depressed and had little motivation this movie was because what happened with Vicky
Batman in Justice League shows: *Outsmarts and outmanuvers god-like aliens*
Batman in Batman Returns: *Gets tackled by Danny DeVito*
Still not as bad as an anime rip-off that keeps forgetting how OP it's designated heroes are.
Batman can beat anyone. But he cant beat anyone easily
@@godzillavkk which one are you referring to, because superman miraculously coming back and destroying everyone in his path got old back in the 90's
@@SantaPorter I'm talking about Avatar the Last Anime Rip-Off. I wanted to like it but instead I watched as everything I love about the Heroes Journey and fantasy quests was treated as a bad punchline. And don't try to tell me I should like it, I've had almost a hundred arguments about this.
@@godzillavkk the avatar movie sucked so bad, just ignore the fact they ripped the story straight off ferntree gully,
As a result I didn't watch the anime, honestly didn't know they did one
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...you're going to sin the fact that his CD player has a Batman logo and not the fact that it can somehow be used to _scratch a CD_ when he hacks into the sound system?!?
1989 was Batman directed by Tim Burton.
Batman Returns is a Tim Burton movie with Batman in it.
Tim Burton has something on
Batman.
And that's why Batman Returns is the better one
@@laratropp8832 imo batman returns is the worst one. That being said I haven’t seen batman and Robin
@@marvelpugs6964 Don't... Or do with some friends and drinks. It's pretty damn hilarious in a horrible way.
@@iusedtoliveinmymothergary9827 mate calm down I’m only 12 but I think I’m gonna watch it just for the sake of watching every movie in that series
This is one of my favourite versions. Love Michael Keaton and Michelle Pfeifer. They have good chemistry. This works.
They did actually date for a while.
Michael Keaton IS Batman.
I agree
Penguin has a yellow duck for a toy or decoration in or on his crib cage at the begining, it was the only toy his bastard parents ever gave him. I'm 90% sure at least.
Yepp, you can see it on the crib cage at 0:14 so I'm surprised he missed that.
That scene when penguin bit off that guys nose was terrifying as a kid
Jmoko, you should not have watched this as a kid
LoEL me too
Not as scary as Max Shreck's dead body and penguin's death.
Or when he was throwing up that black ooze. My childish mind was like 🤯 omg no
That was when penguin died. Penguin was dying, bleeding out in that scene.
Danny De Vito may be in some terrible movies and tv shows but god damn he puts all his heart into it. He deserves a good role damn it!
Bruh he’s Frank Reynolds on Its Always Sunny. That’s a kick ass role lol
Throw momma from the train.. twins.. like wut?
Throw momma from the train.. twins.. like wut?
@Martin Verner Yeah, Mister wuss (lol) is clearly stating an opinion and not fact. Twins and Throw mama were good movies. Twins was a little better out of those two, I think. DeVito was also good in Ruthless People, War of the roses, Romancing the stone and Jewel of Nile. And was also good in Always sunny
My favorite Batman movie by a mile. Saw it in theaters as a 7 year old, and have loved it ever since.
Paul Reubens is also the Penguin's father in the show Gotham.
I didnt know this thanks 😁
Nice and correct observation.
Pee wee Herman was?
Also, Penguin's mom in this movie was Simone on Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
Hey. Just wanted to point out in that scene with Catwoman eating the bird? That wasn't fake. Michelle Pfeifer actually put a live bird in her mouth for this.
+Sean Black This is true.
+Sean Black Because she is the fucking bomb!
You are two for two. :P
Pfeifer is still gorgeous.
That gave me an awkward boner when watching this movie.
Isn't that like animal cruelty?
Everything good :
1 - Most of the movie scènes are nocturnal, the night is Batman's world.
2 - Gotham City's architecture wich is exactly what it should be, a 30's 40's fantasy city, like an over the top Chicago.
3 - Best Catwoman ever.
4 - Irreplaceable musics (sorry Hans).
5- Magnificient photography.
*was* the best Catwoman
I liked Anna Hathaway better
The entire set looked fake. Like a cartoon.
which?
this catwoman looks fine but is just terrible
0:45 Gotham City - 33 Years Later: They used the specific age of 33 because that's how old Jesus was when he was crucified. I'm really surprised that you guys missed that one. Happy Easter!
Woah really?
I think we can remove a couple of Sins for misunderstanding the plot of Penguin's life before the film. It's pretty clear that baby Penguin was rescued from the sewers by someone from the Circus - it's noted that he was the Bird Boy. That's where he would have learned English and how to read and write.
Anyhow,... despite every Sin, I love this movie!
+Tim Austin Same!
One of my favorite Batman movies. I also loved Dawn of Justice. I seem to perpetually have the unpopular opinion.
Right? Glad someone else got that...
Batman v Superman : Dawn of Justice.
It was March when it came out in theaters. Also, worldwide release!
Do everything wrong with deadpool plz
Right
+ErenTheHedgehog
The movie isn't out on DVD yet.
They will once it's available
+ErenTheHedgehog post one on ScreenJunkies' channel for when the DVD comes out and they do the Honest Trailer.
avinotion kk
9:55 - The Ice Princess not knowing who The Penguin is makes total sense for her character. She's meant to be very stupid and self-absorbed.
Yep, she doesn't look like she follows politics closely.
@@LadyOnikara Very true. Would she even know there was an election happening if she was living in America today?
So... She's a normal woman? Got it
@@captainthruster9484 Boo! Most women are intelligent. I found this particular character so funny because she's so uniquely stupid and a total contrast to most women.
Facts
I think Shreck's character was a bit ogre-rated.
...I'll see myself out now...
Walken
Hey I chuckled a little bit
I can't give it points because it doesn't make sense
+Isabella Regaldo I entered the comments expecting a Shreck pun.
You have delivered.
Take my like.
+Isabella Regaldo Ha ha ha ha!
its pretty cool that Paul Reuben JUST reprised his role as Penguin's father in the new season of Gotham some 20 years after this.
I can't believe you didn't sin Bruce scratching with the CD.
Bruce actually behaved well to the CD.
Can’t believe it either … I actually tried this out with my Sony Discman … Myth Busters before its time
2:43 Oswald had been with the circus since he was a young boy (as stated when Bruce reads news clippings about the Red Triangle Gang).
That’s how Oswald learned English.
Despite the flaws, this is still one of my favorite batman movies. I just have to forget most things wrong with it, but the great atmosphere and style negates a lot of things wrong with it.
But the first was better.
jordan w The first was by far better. Yes this was darker but it just wasn't executed correctly. The first Batman imo is the only non Nolanverse Batman that is good.
Loved this movie and the first one. I could watch these things over and over. So sad when the Penguin dies and all the little penguins take his body away. *tear*
Danny DeVito portrays Penguin perfectly.
@Fwuffycodbunny What do you think he gets wrong about the Penguin?
@@liquidbraino I don't know what @Fwuffycodbunny said because his comment appears to have been deleted. But I have noticed a fault revolved around Penguin which Cinemasins didn't mention. When Penguin has taken control over the batmobile, Batman records Penguin yelling "You've gotta admit, I've played this stinking city like a harp from hell, hahaha!". But when Batman plays it back to the crowd later during his speech, that line is said by Penguin in a much lower and less yelling tone
Michelle Pfeiffer is my favorite Catwoman hands down
Michelle Pfeiffer is the best Catwoman.
@@KairuHakubi Julie 'Butch' Newmar, Lee 'Bland' Meriwether ...
you say that like those are bad things
@@KairuHakubi well, because it is.
With bats flying around the batcave. I wonder if batman have to clean up batshit everywhere? Or does he get Alfred to do it??
Batman just gives the batshit the batglare and the batshit cleans itself
Did you clean the shit you supposedly took when you supposedly died? I rest my case.
Nah there to scared to even try to shit the bat cave
Nah, Wayne Enterprises has a fertilizer division, so the guano just gets shipped out every quarter
His Batmobile is Guano Powered
Dont care what cinemasins say
That scene at the ball when they learn eachothers secret was epic
It's basic but I like the imagery that Bruce and Selina are the masks worn by Batman & Catwoman at a Masquerade Ball.
I'm sinning CinemaSins for not removing at least 5 sins for their acting and chemistry in the ball room.
I loved that scene. I worked on the movie but that was one scene I didn't get to work on, I was mostly on stage 16 at WB.
Actually, semi-hard, I'd say
But a kiss can be even deadlier if you mean it :D
Catwoman is so damn awesome in this movie!
Um no. She's a damn feminist bitch
@@16shogunelitegreen Catwoman is like, the opposite of a feminist. She's very obviously only there in any movie to provide eye candy and fetish material. Like. Very obviously. Her whole character is "Hot sexy woman" to the point where I'm uncomfortable seeing her because she's just That Fucking Bad and I'm just That Damn Gay
16shogunelitegreen Hahahahahahahahaha >breathes< ahahahahahahahahahaha 😂😂😂 "feminist bitch" 😂😂☠️☠️ Yo that shit mad funny my dude 😂👏🏾👏🏾
I had a few.
1) In 8th grade, my English teacher was terrible. A girl could hand in an assignment late because she understood what they were going through, she marked me down because I had to type rather than write my test answers once because I injured my hand to the point I couldn't physically hold a pen and could only type left handed. (10 points off because it had to be written, but girl hands in assignment late, no points off.)
Also, side note that is minor. My grandmother was an American Citizen that grew up in Canada and so she used Canadian spelling for some words. I grew up in the US, but she often was there when I came home and helped me with my homework). So, I picked up spelling for some words that aren't the American way, I got points taken off for "Spelling errors." I think it was just more crap from her to be honest.
But the way I was treated in that class and another English Teacher in High School killed any desire I had to write anything.
2) I had an art teacher in 9th grade that always complain about how I chose to paint paintings that we had no real instructions on. We had to do a self portrait and most people did it as close to realistic as they could. I didn't want to do the assignment, but had to. So I did myself in Red Scale essentially. Various shades of red rather than more normal colors and I thought it looked cool, I loved it. She gave me a C or D for failure to follow instructions ... the instructions were literally "Paint a self portrait." Nothing on how. It was shown in the art show and classmates of mine recognized it. However, when a girl "expressed" herself it was set as an "example of how to put yourself in the painting."
She killed my desire for art. I still occasionally do something things, but they aren't even close to what I did prior just because of one teacher.
On a side note: That class is also the reason Beyonce annoys me. Hearing Destiny's Child pretty much every day drove me mad.
3) I had an argument with a co-worker that I don't like it when women tell me that I should smile because I look more handsome when I smile. Or commenting me when I get a haircut. She told me "They are just being nice." but if a fucking man said something like that ... it's sexist. I am like WTF ... I am pretty sure the reason why the sexual harassment between the sexes is more so that men don't realize they are being harassed while women consider far more things harassment.
4) Sometimes I take one of my nieces out for my sister, she has 4 kids total, 3 are girls. This past weekend I felt the eyes of a older woman just watching me with my youngest niece while we were having lunch at burger king after I took her to horse back riding for my sister. Didn't say anything, just I say her looking at me and felt I was being stared at when I left. It wasn't the first time something like this happened. Luckily, I know a lot of people who tell me that I am a great uncle for helping out my sister and that what I do for my nieces and nephew is something they wish they had when raising their kids.
"WHERE is the 2nd cat already?!?!?" Ummm... wait for it?
Even as a kid I thought Penguin having the blueprints for the Batmobile was extremely illogical, sill love this movie to death tho. Also, this movie came out on my 9th birthday and I had a calendar on my wall marking its release.
8:58: It's a sand truck. It's winter, so they have to provide friction on the icy roads.
She literally says “Saved by kitty litter” after she falls. Stick to the sea side gumshoe. 😂
@@areyoufriendly it’s sand. She made a joke. 🤦🏻
Having weaponized penguins is just an act of pure genius.
How would they do against sharks with laser-beams on their heads????
"Lay-zerrrr"
Weaponized Penguins = All Sins Removed..
Correction: pure EVIL genius
The Penguins didn't teach Penguin English. The Circus Gang did.
Oh, and this channel is shitty as fuck. Most of these so called sins are just skewed opinions.
+no hassle it's not supposed to be taken seriously lmfao, have any clue what satire is?
+no hassle How did he take over and make the circus gang living in the sewers. Was the circus gang always in the sewers? And how is he so familiar with idioms and pop culture? Why does the circus gang even reside in the sewers and chose to make penguin their leader
Deonta B Why the fuck are you asking me? I didn't make the film. My assumption is better than anything you dumb fucks could come up with. Better than saying that the Penguins taught him everything (unless they are highly intelligent mutated Penguins like Splinter from The Turtles).
no hassle I laughed at that but I'm just saying it made no sense.This movie is way worse than I remember it being.
You gotta do kill bill
YES!!!
Yeah!
+Logan O'Brien I agree!
I've been asking them to do it for years maybe now with some likes they'll notice so thank you likers lol
+Logan O'Brien They know they can't find many sins within Kill Bill.
"How could you? I am a woman!"
The correct answer is:
"The hammer of justice is unisex"
Also: Equality, bitch! *[PUNCH]*
Equal rights = Equal lefts.
Bitch better learn how to fight, or STFU.
Batman's hands are rated E, for Everyone.
1:52 MAX forgot the speech, and Selina says "Oh darn" because she knows she's going to be UNJUSTLY blamed for it. That's made clear by Max's line in the scene immediately afterward.
Yeah, he seemed like THAT kind of boss. The kind that you want to possibly accidentally give rat poison to and kidnap with two of your friends.
Maybe she was meant to give Max the speech.
@@nedtempleton4873 The novelization makes clear that Selina wrote the speech for Max, but it was still Max's responsibility to put it in the folder. It's just that Selina was so afraid of Max she was willing to let him scapegoat her for everything, and Max knew this.
"How could you!? I'm a woman!" The Hammer of Justice is unisex!
nice reference
*JUSTICE!*
Hahaha
Dj Quinn equality for all
i am an equal opportunity crime fighter!
I say Danny Devito should come back in another Batman movie as a new villain: The Trashman. He comes out, and he throws trash, all over Gotham, and then he starts eating garbage.
Always funny in Philadelphia good One
Aaah shit did I get ya cricket?
...and smacking people with folding chairs.
Sharp Shot EFX why the hell not lol
Frank has a cat costume
Honestly liked this one more than the first one.
Why!?
@@maloperverso8118 So does Tim Burton.
Me too. Idk, first one is good but for some reason a drag for me to watch the first time. I watched this movie like every week
9:07 "Why hasn't Shreck bought this guy some hookers yet?"
I actually love that thought xD
I've enjoyed all of 90's Batman movies. Yes, even Batman and Robin. And "Returns" is my favorite.
+Roscoe Patterson hey guy's don't leave me out
My favourite is Forever.
All points are valid.
Having that said, the two Batman-movies Tim Burton directed, share the number 1-spot on the list of my favorite Batman-movies.
There is nothing wrong with this movie, I love it so much 😂
It has that great Tim Burton Christmas vibe, I watched it for the first time like 4 or 5 years ago and it's still so nostolgiac to me for some reason
However, Pfeiffer is STILL the best catwoman ever.
YES!!
+MadamPluto I am highly disappointed that a sin wasn't removed for one of the more 'baity' catsuit scenes.
I mean, that was a *well* fitted catsuit. Well fitted.
Sorry, I think I'm twelve years old again....
She's a solid kyle but her craziness aspects throw it off
Beany2007FTW
I would have removed at least 5 sins for those scenes :).
Ike of Pyke
I actually like her craziness.
"Shut up, you're going to jail." I expected you to remove a sin for that.
Better remove every sin for Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman...
Remove every negative sin for the dominatrix outfit
Remove every sin for Michelle Pfeiffer ' s Catwoman.
Oh Christ...
Weaponized Penguins. That erases all sins.
Weaponized Penguins.
All Sins removed.
Exactly my thoughts 🐧
Obviously
‼️🐧
They should have taken off a sin because Danny Devito :(
Yeah, this is probably one of his greatest performances, right up there with "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia".
+JCBro2014 IM THE TRASH MAN
+Pybread The PyroMancer did you play dank souls?
+gaben the great I don't think the name pyromancer is really in anything else
+gaben the great no, in tf2 there is a set called pyromancer's clothes they are pros rainments, pros mask and pyro hood
as far as I know, Michelle portraying the Catwoman is still the best. Anne Hathaway is quite nice too except the costume that she wears. and Halle is the worst so far.
1. Michelle Pfeiffer.
2. Anne Hathaway.
3. Halle Berry.
Fun fact Michelle peiffer actually learned how to use a whip for the movie any scene with cat woman using the whip is actually Michelle and not a stunt double
Did you know that when Michelle was in the cat suit for the first time she found a wardrobe malfunction by there is no easy way out of suit....so if you have to pee...
Thanks for the useless knowledge
This guy sins a clock because he can tell time unless it has the numbers? 🤦🏻♂️
The clock face is a cat. And 3d. It becomes a slight second hassle. Which if you want time, hassle is the last thing you want.
Sin
@@agonleed3841 just pathetic.
Keaton is the still best Batman to me. Affleck delivered in BvS but left me wanting to see more, hopefully in a solo Batman movie.
"Batman Returns" is still one of my favorite movies.
Just watched it last week for that exact reason, I don't care if I can recite the damn script..I watch it! Haha easily my favorite line of the movie is "eat floor..high fiber" haha
Matt LeMasters awesome my brother!!
+Mark Price this was one of my first movie theatre expierences. there is something about this movie that stood out for me and made me like it even after so many years. The way it's done is weirdly capturing.
Still Breathing awesome!!
Mark Price mine too, along with watchmen and the green mile
Batman Returns was my shit. I love this movie, and I love the Penguin in this movie. Not saying this video is horrible, it was actually funny. But just gonna say this is my favorite Batman movie besides 1989 Batman and Dark Knight.
angelina gold It's the Best Batman movie ever for my money.
Yeah pal, I kinda liked Batman Returnes too, mainly because of the games that waere released based on tha movie, the Master system versionrocks due to the awesome music. This movie iuntil today has some magic in it I coud'nt explain..
Agree but my guilty pleasure Batman movie is Batman Forever
Longtime viewer, first time commenter. I just want to say I rewatched this movie for the first time in years yesterday and have gained a completely new perspective on the scene in which Selina becomes Catwoman, and I believe the Cinema Sinner has misunderstood the tone of the scene. Until recently, I too didn’t really understand why she would spend so much time destroying her apartment, but now I think it’s meant to imply the violation she felt when her boss, a man she is supposed to be able to trust and rely on, attempted to murder her. Not to get all Gender Studies 101 on Cinema Sins, but I believe it was meant to be comparative to sexual assault as she lived through a traumatic experience dealt to her body and destroying her apartment was a way to regain some level of control. When she realized she still felt anguish over her circumstances, she planned to exact revenge while maintaining her anonymity, and in the world of Batmen, it stands to reason she would give her avenging alter ego a bit of flair and personality. Feel free to say I’m reading too much into a potentially silly scene in an obviously very silly movie, but I think that this is part of that darker side of Batman Burton began exploring that lost him Forever and Robin.
It's def a sexual assault allegory and I didn't realize it until a few years ago and even tho I do hate that trope for the most part, I love it for Selina Kyle. She takes control of her sexuality in a dominatrix type suit and whip. This movie is so good.
I just rewatched it today and while I don't think SEXUAL assault has anything to do with it, I think she had a very near death experience thrust on her and her old infantile existence had no meaning anymore. Imagine if she had died and all that would have remained of her were pink cat sweaters, stuffed animals and a freaking doll house! She was a very late bloomer and wanted to affirm her womanhood (and sexuality) before it was too late.
I fail to see how the assault was at all sexual. Can't a boss just be a jerk and a murderer?
@@nthgth It's not actually sexual, rather comparable to the feeling of it,
a lot of clocks don't have numbers on the face because most people can remember where the numbers are on the face of a clock
As the narrator himself proves when he correctly says "so about 7 o'clock".
They can if they have to and will get faster at it in time, but still seems like a pain to me, but then I grew up wearing digital watches, lol.
It's still faster and easier just to have a simple marker for the numbers. It doesn't even need to be a number, just a marker. Also, it avoids the messiness of it being "around 15 minutes pastish" when you need to know if it's 18 minutes past or 13 minutes past.
It's a bit more difficult when the face isn't circular but true enough
I heard if you kick a cat in the face it will stop time.
I can't help but think of "Shrek" whenever he says "Shreck"...
I was always disturbed by the company's logo basically being Felix the Cat.
Wayne Enterprises.
Fun Fact: The Extra he points out at 6:02 that talks about The Frog & The Prince is actually the same actress who ended up playing Gossip Gerty in Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. She was married to Bob Kane prior to his death, co-creator of Batman and a host of other characters. I had to IMDB this after recognizing her in this video. Thanks, CinemaSins. I learned something new today.
I like to think it's the same character.
This movie always kind of fascinated me. I think it's really interesting to see a quite satirical and fairytale Batman movie.
+Top 10s 'N' Tributes right? it's like a living Snow Globe.
Where is the "Bruce using a CD to "scratch" the audio like a DJ because that is how a CD works" sin?
"that dude dead."
Mhm, we know. He blew up.
WAIT A MINUTE 😱
Have you ever SEEN a cat video? They do have Kung Fu skills. The most amusing ones only have a few of them but still make the attempt.
I still love this movie! I think that a lot of the sins you gave it were elements in the plot that were meant to be strange, such as Penguin being raised by penguins. Tim Burton (the director) was probably going for a dark fairy tale vibe. His movies don't take themselves as deadly serious as Christopher Nolan's, so I think we can give Burton leeway that we don't give Nolan. The stuff that made no sense in the Nolan films, especially The Dark Knight Rises, are MUCH less forgivable.
"this is truly a shitty Batman movie"
This movie fucking rules. Danny DeVito's penguin is untouchable.
+Vince Torres No way man, Burgess Meredith kicks his ass!
+Vince Torres It's the best of the Burton/Schumacher Batmans by freakin' far.
@@dennett316 Meredith is by far my favorite Penguin!
@@dennett316 Meredith was Good but Danny Devito is the King.
?????? ☹️☹️ This is my second favorite ever Batman movie!
Lets see...
10 The Penguin's are from a dilapidated Zoo that is directly above where his carriage stopped
30 He took out 9 guys, not 4 (and the whole thing was just a distraction anyway)
32 The Penguin was raised by the Red Triangle Gang
33 I'd imagine Penguin decided to fix the documents because they were flushed down there with a dead body.
47 Dollhouse destruction is there for symbolism
49 She makes a costume because she's having a mental breakdown and is retreating from her life by creating a new persona.
76 Comic Batman killed intermittently until the 1990s
131 They're being controlled through the little helmets, this has happened in the comics before.
134 That woman has been working for him throughout the film
Hot in Batman Returns, Still Hot in Ant-Man and The Wasp.
Paul Reubens also plays Penguin's dad on Gotham. Now that's cool
+marcino457 well, at least there's something cool in that show
I don't care how many valid points you make, I will always love this movie.
He makes barely any valid points…
@@TooviKirayes, yes he does lol
Pfeiffer still better than Berry.
That's an accomplishment?
HiddenTalent77
That is fact. Its not all Berry's fault but that is the way it is until they try to make a new movie.
So Pfeiffer isn't better than Hathaway then?
+James Bond What really made Hathaway all that great? Everyone adores the performance, but I don't get why.
James Bond
I complete forgot Hathaway played Catwoman. That should tell you something. :D
12:01 ...And yet, I STILL got flashbacks to the "Grab them by the *****" footage from that shady-ass camper van!
This guy from cinemasins speaks at 300 words per minute with gusts of 500
Please sin the Iron Giant
Impossible
Next week is dystopian and space sins.
how could you make a video with no sin
killer sands Well, they did say that "no movie is without sin", so...yeah...
#awkward
+The Orichalcos Sorcerer I don't think they were being serious #moreawkward
Weaponized penguins is not a sin. If anything, it should reduce 5-10 sins.
+Bedford Crenshaw Behold! My army of highly trained weaponized super awesome ultra cool ass mega destructive Penguins!
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But it's hilariously stupid for a movie that everyone claims is dark. Honestly I would have added 20 sins at least.
For me, the ridiculousness of weaponized penguins was drowned out by the Penguin's dark characterization and the overall tone of the film.
That is Tim Burton though.
6:56 Oh, yeah. Let’s dab it with a handkerchief and see if that helps to stop the nose-bleed. That guy would need surgery at least.
Oswald Cobblepot
Penquin :
" he didn't even lose
a limb
an eyeball
bladder control "
😂
Most underrated Batman movie.
Pinto Beanz I think it's the best Batman movie by far. I was 7 when it came out, and I saw it in theaters. I'll always love it the best, and no stupid video is gonna tell me otherwise.
you right! and the second best is Batman 1989!!
13:29 the Flash helmet wow
...
No sin for when Keaton scratches the audio CD like a record with the same effect? that would not work
You know nothing about bat DJs 😤
@@missxspencer1538🔥
The difference between this movie and a lot of other bad comic book movies is, this movie can still be enjoyed for its bizarre-ness. Yeah, it has more cons than pros. It's scattered, clunky, unfocused, and badly paced to boot. But, for all that, it's a good time. I watch it at least once a year, and it honestly never fails to hold my interest. I can't call it a good movie, but I still love it.
We got the CD player logo...but shouldn't there be a sin for him DJ scratching a compact disc like he was working two turntables and a mic-ro-phone?
2:22 "STRAIGHT UP MURDER!" LMMFAO
Michael Ray exactly and people bitched about Affleck
Love your irony... but dont touch the penguin funeral march!! That is a sacred moment, among highest in all movies, grotesque and solemn.
She doesn't have powers. The only time Catwoman had powers was in the shitty-ass Halle Berry 2004 film. A film regarded by many as a complete insult to the character for the very reason of her having super-human powers in it. What makes Catwoman Catwoman is that her power is the lack-there of. She is a woman of seduction, confidence, and ruthlessness. Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman is what makes this movie great. She nails it (no punt intended) completely. Her character is so thorough, so perfectly depicted, that you can use it in every Batman adaptation / world of story and it works. Without her performance in this movie it is just another live-action Batman movie like the first. The real sin is that without her character this movie falls rather flat. She binds it all together. The double-crossing and the conflicts are interesting because of her.
"Meow" - Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman
No powers? So a lonely and geeky secretary suddenly gains the ability to kick ass and kung fu, unrivaled acrobatic abilities and survive multiple gun shots? Yup, no powers at all. Pfeiffer's Catwoman isn't so much seductive and confident as she is batshit crazy and mentally unstable. Also Catwoman in the comics is rarely ruthless, she is sympathetic despite being morally ambiguous and doesn't murder innocents like Pfeiffer's Catwoman murdered the ice princess to get to Batman. Not to mention where are the cat burglar elements? Catwoman in the comics is a professional thief, it's a huge part of her character.
There's nothing wrong in enjoying this version of Catwoman, but she is a horrible adaptation of the character.
Thomas Jiang The gunshots she takes aren't lethal and you also have to think about world of story. The Tim Burton world of story for Batman Returns is not to be taken literal or seriously. We don't know enough about her to say she has no experience fighting. I'm a skinny chick that looks like a twig that can be pushed over with a glare. Meanwhile I spend my free time doing martial arts and have 0 problems taking people down.
Did she suddenly? Maybe, but the characters are rather out-there to say the least. In the world she is a part of she is very normal and average aside from the personality.
She is certainly a dark adaptation of the character but it makes sense in the world. She would be out of place if she was not a revenge driven insane individual.
Cat burglar elements I do believe lack in the overall story. I think it is one thing that it touched on as being a potential part of her psyche but she gets thrown into the Batman story before it gets embedded into her image. She "robs" by breaking in, more or less. That creates the image that she is capable of it.
CelinettaTheWitch I'd say taking multiple gunshots in the torso without bleeding out and surviving the electrocution that killed Max Shreck would require some superpowers. There's also certainly nothing to indicate that she has any martial arts background either. All we see is that she's a lonely secretary who lives in a small apartment. Not to mention she was easily physically intimidated by her boss, I doubt if she would be this easily intimidated if she was trained in self defense prior to getting pushed out of the building.
So why don't we see normal people in these films take out thugs that fast? Why do we need Batman? I don't recall anyone else do flips without breaking a sweat and climb the side of a building within a second. Plus don't you think that explanation completely undervalues Catwoman as a villain? That she doesn't really have any exceptional capabilities, just some chick who just happens to not be mentally sound and dress in tight leather?
Dark? I would say more campy with some creepy undertones than anything, and that applies for the entire film.
Something that's vaguely hinted at doesn't excuse the lack of said characterization. Plus she went in with the intention of destroying Shreck's property.
+Thomas Jiang I was gonna mention all this but you hit the nail on the head.
The gunshot wounds are in multiple locations that you can survive. That's beside the point as you are right on the lack of blood and the general fact that she is capable of continuing to stand. The electric shock I never believed she actually kissed. Many adaptations have developed the female tease is deadly approach. Personally I like it. This movie does require you to take not take anything seriously and suspend your disbelief. The things people survive in this movie are questionable regardless of the character. Penguins raising a disfigured boy is enough of que that you can't be critical of things like blood.
When I say normal I did not intend to imply it takes away from the character but rather it is her personality that defines everything about her. Without the personality she is just a chick in tight leather. We don't see normal people do what she does because they are the mindless mass that is Gothem. A group of people who have to be saved from themselves because they can't see the evil right in front of them. Instead of defending themselves they just let people take and take. She was just like them. In that, she is normal and average.
Also, it is amazing what people can do when driven into a corner or being subjected to something that break them. I've seen people who were pushed too far and out of no where beat the crap out of someone like they had been fighting for years. You push the right buttons and almost anyone can do anything. Look at Justin Bieber...(cringe)
The kicking, jumping, etc that she gets, I always felt that was an imprint of who she always wanted to be. When she broke, nothing held her back from being that person. The revenge gave her reason. To me, it all made sense. I've never taken this movie seriously though and perhaps that is why I am not seeing what you are saying until now. To me, you can't look at this movie and apply the rules of logic. You have to go off the rules of the world of story.
I don't believe it should be excused but I do think it was an excellent display of what she is capable of. That the cat-burglar'ing is something she can excel at. Given more screen time it would have had enough time to happen.
appreciate the PSA on milk for cats: I honestly didn't know. Thanks CinemaSins!
also, a couple more things forgotten in this film, Penguin while raised by penguins, the circus eventually took him in, that's where he would've learned to talk and read, also, Catwoman's badass outfit should've taken off some sins, it's just that awesome, and also, Penguin acts like a child a lot, that penguin scanner in the penguin army scene just sounds awesome, making the penguin battle awesome and should at least remove 1 sin, the Batman opening theme should remove 5 sins because it's awesome and it gets you pumped up for action, that's why he's got a yellow duck vehicle, oh, and another forgotten sin, when Catwoman's making her outfit, she cuts a bit of metal wire twine/slinky with a pair of pliers for no reason, and another sin, at the point where it says "33 years later" there's a frickin creepy face in amongst the buildings in Gotham, it's like the Statue Of Liberty's brother that just hides between buildings in Gotham and just stares creepily for no reason, it's still creepy
I also loved, which wasn't shown here, was Selene/Catwoman smashing the neon lights in her apartment to change it from "HELLO THERE" to "HELL HERE".
The sharp twine pliers stuff was her claws, hence the music getting heavy at that point... lol "point"
@@missxspencer1538 no that's not what I was talking about actually, her claws are something different, still awesome, I'm talking during the sewing scene she just cuts a slinky with pliers for no reason, doubt it was for the regular sewing machine to be converted to a stil string one
@@KatOwO2235 lol I didn't realize I responded to you twice. And yeah ur right, I forgot she gets the little claw things from the drawer or something, nevermind.
@@missxspencer1538 it's ok
Back when movies weren’t afraid to directly use comic book story elements without modifying them to be more realistic.
Which is why this movie sucked.
@@ricktheitalianrebel6687 i strongly disagree about this movie being terrible, i would even argue that its better than batman 1989, but its your opinion
this movie is nothing like a comic book. Comic books are actually really realistic.
@@ricktheitalianrebel6687 Best Batman movie by far. It didn't take it self too serious and I can't stand people who take superheroes dead-serious
@@laratropp8832, it’s why I don’t love TDK trilogy as much as others. It doesn’t feel like a comic book movie because Nolan made the movie too realistic by making lawyers and police officers more important than Batman. Well, TDK and TDKR at least.
Michelle Phipher is the heath ledger of catwoman
Doctor Manhattan Grant Gustin is the Heath Ledger of The Flash.
You mean overrated? Ok, I'll buy that.
Um you mean she's the JACK NICHOLSON of catwoman you fool.
@@aavila1206 if your into people who facilitate the drugging and rape of children yeah I guess
Heath Ledger won an Academy Award for his portrayal of the Joker.
Danny DeVito was amazing though.
The film was amazing
Seeing this film tells you what he was going for in Always Sunny when he played the Troll and the villain in the Gang's Lethal Weapon movies. And it's awesome.
Who else has been watching Cinema Sins so much that they can't go watch a movie now without a sin counter dinging in their head when they see something sin worthy? I mean, I just watched Batman V Superman, and I added a mental sin every time Batman kills people like he's in one of these Tim Burton Batman movies, and commentary in the same fashion as the narrator of Cinema Sins too. Is that a sin on me?
me I stopped enjoy movies after 2012 😯😢
Cinema Sins has ruined me to lol
***** all I see are lap dances and clichés
What tripe, this is the best batman filmed ever made. The casting and look is pure perfection.
"Do we really give a shit what exact age that penguin baby grows up to be in this film?"Your entire channel is predicated on that sort of thing not being explained in movies. I swear, movies are damned if they do, damned if they don't in your eyes.
Haha. Sounds about right.
You are actually taking that seriously? :P
This page is part serious, part comedy and the fact that people don't see that is apalling
... It's almost as if these videos aren't meant to be taken seriously and the sins have no real value. Oh wait!
"I am not a human being!"
Danny Devito accidentally inspires Lil Wayne.
"I am not a human being!".
Aww. You're too young to get it... That's adorable
even if it has a lot of flaws, I still love this movie's style and characrers.
DOSRetroGamer No more flaws than other movies.
DOSRetroGamer T-shirt so much fun to watch YES
Flaws? I don't see any flaws
30 years ago today, June 19th, 1992 - Batman Returns was released in Theaters!