I was a Protestant for 24 years and became an Orthodox Christian last year. One of the things that drew me to a new way of thinking was the church fathers about the Eucharist.
When I was a catechumen, I attended a non-denom 'church' during a 'communion' service. A friend was the music pastor there. The senior pastor said during the service (and I quote, because I cannot forget this): "And Jesus said, 'this represents my body, which was given for you. Do this in memory of me." "He took the cup, and said, 'this represents my blood, shed for the life of the world.' I nearly got up and left, but I didn't want to insult my friend... I couldn't run faster back to the Orthodox parish and my spiritual Father.
It’s really sad that they don’t know the Truth. I was a Protestant for many years but during a time of great duress the Lord revealed the Truth to me about the Eucharist AND the Blessed Mother! I ran to the nearest Catholic Church, but now that we have an apostate Pope I find more shelter and truth with my Orthodox brothers. In the end, denomination will evaporate, our differences won’t matter. Viva Christo Rey❣️✝️
God knows your heart. Whatever obstacles are put in your way, you cannot hide your true self from God and He sees that, even if no one else does. God Bless Daniel.
Absolutely beautiful reading and message here, Father. As I continue to dive deeper into my faith, this has helped me immensely, and I intend to keep the message in my forethoughts. Amen and thank you!
It doesn't. But saying "brilliant theologian, brilliant sermon..." does. All we should say is, "that was helpful to me; thank you", if it was helpful to us. And the Orthodox person to whom we say that, should think, "Lord, thanks be to Thee! Glory to Thee for not letting me come in between Thee & this child of Thine, my brother/sister. May it be so always." If a sermon... is not helpful to u, u don't have to say anything.
Orthodoxy is the true expression of the Christian faith, it is given and in all humility is received...in this we work out our salvation in all faith and trust in Christ, the giver. 🙏☦️
Amon, Lotd have mercy on me, give me strength and wisdom to be faithful stay close to you🥰🙏nothing about take up your cross and follow me is easyLord help us🌺🙏🥰 the blood of Jesus and His body, opens the heavens power of the Holy Spirit in communion seated with Christ in heaven, no longer seperated
Dear Father Peter, I just joined your channel so that I could download the videos and watch them offline, I particularly wanted the Fr. Seraphim Rose Orthodox Survival Course but as I tried to download them for offline viewing a message comes up saying "the video is no longer available"? how do I download the videos for offline viewing please? Kind regards, Lazarus
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Ive been attending a orthodox church for a few months now and im thinking of joining but I cant help but disagree with him on evangelism. I understand what he is saying when its about growing there own church and empire. In my opinion I just got to disagree. Lord commands us to go out and make disciples of all nations. Paul says the feet of those who preach the gospel are blessed. How then are they to call on Him in whom they have not believed? How are they to believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher? In saying this I found the Lord but thats by searching and finding videos like this and then going to my first Divine Liturgy.
Who ever said NOT to preach the Gospel! God forbid. Is it possible that you misunderstood him? (If we understand you right, you are referring to Fr. Peter?) Perhaps he said HOW to do it -- not NOT to do it? This is a book he translated and UMP published -- all about the mission of the Church in the heart of Africa: uncutmountainpress.com/shop/product/apostle-to-zaire/
When Jesus speaks in parables, its always clear. None of them thought it was a hard saying when He said he was the door. The way His audience reacts to what is said in the video, clearly indicates He was not speaking in a parable. Not only that, but he continues to re-state it as they question Him.
He says there are some of them that believe not, indicating it is a matter of unbelief and lack of faith, not of misunderstanding or taking something metaphorical, as literal. Then we have the instance of the last supper, as well as Paul's mentioning of the Eucharist (1 cor 10:16-17 and 1 cor 11:28-29) along with the writings regarding it by early church fathers who were themselves disciples of disciples, so, clearly, it was intended to be literal@@dravenocklost4253
모든 사람이 주의 만찬을 진지하고 명상적인 방식으로 먹어야 하며, 청소년이나 심지어 성직자가 예배 후에 음식을 들이키는 것은 매우 잘못된 일이라는 것은 사실입니다. 취하는 방식은 우리가 취한다고 믿는 것만큼 중요합니다. 하나님은 그것이 무엇인지 아시고 우리는 이러한 것들을 조만간 알게 될 것입니다.
I still don't accept this explanation. Christ speaks about real bread (like manna) and says it doesn't save. Christ speaks about how he is the bread of life, and also that man does not live by bread alone but by every word of God. Christ is the word of God, a word that we can live on. Unfortunately, I still see no call to eat a physical bread or wine to be in communion with him.
I love how you’re digging into and questioning things. John 6 was confusing to me too, given my evangelical church background. I’d just encourage you to keep pressing forward in your journey into the depth & power of communion (per 1 Cor 11:29-30), and not rest in your tradition’s understanding - perhaps it is incomplete. For instance, I’m glad I questioned my evangelical church’s tradition about communion 2 years ago (which was gnostic-tainted) and have been satisfied & growing with solid food since joining the Orthodox Church last year.
@@GoatKeepah Good - neither does anyone who is orthodox. We're in agreement - we worship Christ himself. Sounds like you have some confusion, but commenting on YT is not an appropriate way to address it. Rather, I challenge you to connect with a orthodox pastor near you, and chat with him in person. I encourage you: Don't shy away from engaging - reach out to him.
@@chmanty Yes, but you believe that bread becomes God. Insane. Ask any two year old if they are looking at bread or God, and they'll tell you the truth.
Christ is making an ontological statement. There is no separation between the metaphysical and the physical. Does it offend you that there is no ontological distinction between God's essence and energies - that participation in God's energies is real, essential union with Him? The same exact reality is proclaimed by Christ in what he says regarding the Eucharist.
Perhaps it is some distorted notion of piety, to deny the Incarnation and possibility of a man who is not fallen but rather divine in nature... It is a scandal and a crisis at once, God taking on a human nature, whilst being fully divine... This is the philosophical problematic at the core of many heresies, "absolute divine simplicity" doctrine. Union with God somehow entails pollution of God or something, people are adamantly viewed as irredeemable creatures... At least it is true regarding our nature, our sins are small crucifixions of Christ, we sin because we are fallen and freewilled. But the Incarnation is the redemption, the bringing of redemption for faithful mankind, Christ in a paradoxical way allows fallen man to partake in that which is divine, to have the very likeness of God. This is basically taboo in most so called religions, usually the unification or deification thing is impersonal, a created or carnal (even if metaphysical) substrata of some mysterious kingdom, a mere analogy at best, not the direct experience. You should see what these folks say about illumination, the intense form of theosis, they basically say it's self-idolatry, you believe you can acquire literal Godhood, to merge with God, etc... Well, participation in essence is a paradox, made possible by Christ, if one rejects the person of Christ as God then God Himself will not grant that person direct experience of Him to know Him properly/really, if that person's ethos is trash like ancient barbarian pagans then He may even send delusion instead of licensing participation in Him... So they think it's all based on piety and respect for God, but they did not receive Him, they did not have the virtue to see the virtues in Christ's Incarnation and plan, to then accept Him the greatest blessing of all... But if we return to the prophetic scheme of the old covenants we can see Christ's Incarnation is consistent with all that prior plan of God, and it was really not a contradiction of His own Will and Order that He came to earth as a God-man.
@@ΓραικοςΕλληναςChrist is everything. God is one in essence and indivisible. God's essence manifests as all that is. Therefore, the Eucharist is God's essence manifest as bread and wine. Is bread and wine ontologically separate from Christ? No. Is the prosfora I made Christ? Yes. Is the wheat I grew and the water I drew from the ground Christ? Yes. Like Christ transfigured on the mountain, the bread and the water (and the wine) don't become something they weren't already. They are simply revealed in all their glory for what they always already are. There is no separation.
I was a Protestant for 24 years and became an Orthodox Christian last year. One of the things that drew me to a new way of thinking was the church fathers about the Eucharist.
I am a Protestant that’s now converting to orthodoxy because of the Eucharist
When I was a catechumen, I attended a non-denom 'church' during a 'communion' service. A friend was the music pastor there. The senior pastor said during the service (and I quote, because I cannot forget this):
"And Jesus said, 'this represents my body, which was given for you. Do this in memory of me."
"He took the cup, and said, 'this represents my blood, shed for the life of the world.'
I nearly got up and left, but I didn't want to insult my friend...
I couldn't run faster back to the Orthodox parish and my spiritual Father.
I had the same experience…
“And Jesus said “this is a symbol of my body””
Oof
It’s really sad that they don’t know the Truth. I was a Protestant for many years but during a time of great duress the Lord revealed the Truth to me about the Eucharist AND the Blessed Mother! I ran to the nearest Catholic Church, but now that we have an apostate Pope I find more shelter and truth with my Orthodox brothers. In the end, denomination will evaporate, our differences won’t matter.
Viva Christo Rey❣️✝️
Please pray for my wife, Cathy. She is against Orthodoxy. I'm old and dependent on her. Please pray for God's divine intervention. God bless you all.
God knows your heart. Whatever obstacles are put in your way, you cannot hide your true self from God and He sees that, even if no one else does. God Bless Daniel.
Absolutely beautiful reading and message here, Father. As I continue to dive deeper into my faith, this has helped me immensely, and I intend to keep the message in my forethoughts. Amen and thank you!
I thought I was supposed to understand it, I’m glad this was cleared up for me.
I hope that saying thank you doesn't count as praise. It's only said to be polite and show gratitude.
It doesn't. But saying "brilliant theologian, brilliant sermon..." does.
All we should say is, "that was helpful to me; thank you", if it was helpful to us. And the Orthodox person to whom we say that, should think, "Lord, thanks be to Thee! Glory to Thee for not letting me come in between Thee & this child of Thine, my brother/sister. May it be so always."
If a sermon... is not helpful to u, u don't have to say anything.
አሜን። ቃለህይወት ያሰማልን አባቴ። Amen!
Amen! ❤
What language is that?
Orthodoxy is the true expression of the Christian faith, it is given and in all humility is received...in this we work out our salvation in all faith and trust in Christ, the giver. 🙏☦️
Orthodoxy is sola Christ
Sola Christus
To all orthodox brothers and sister all over the world I want to say, Χριστός Ανέστη!! 🇬🇷.
Stay strong!!
Was this to prepare the disciples to better understand the last supper also?
Amon, Lotd have mercy on me, give me strength and wisdom to be faithful stay close to you🥰🙏nothing about take up your cross and follow me is easyLord help us🌺🙏🥰 the blood of Jesus and His body, opens the heavens power of the Holy Spirit in communion seated with Christ in heaven, no longer seperated
Dear Father Peter,
I just joined your channel so that I could download the videos and watch them offline, I particularly wanted the Fr. Seraphim Rose Orthodox Survival Course but as I tried to download them for offline viewing a message comes up saying "the video is no longer available"? how do I download the videos for offline viewing please?
Kind regards,
Lazarus
You can download the orthodox survival course here: static1.squarespace.com/static/59ccbd1c2278e76a7fedfe78/t/5b27a572352f53967a824e87/1529324927029/RoseFrSeraphim-OrthodoxSurvivalCourse-Lectures1-13.pdf
Hi Lazarus, it is only possible to download TH-cam videos for offline use with a TH-cam Premium account. However, it looks like you cannot download videos that are for TH-cam channel members, unfortunately. The download button seems to be missing. There are third party websites that will allow you to do this if you search them up, but that is up to your discretion.
There's Firefox browser add-ons to rip TH-cam videos, may have to alter the privacy / firewall settings of the browser so the download button displays on the page below the video box... Been a while since I done this so could possibly be redundant now
Ive been attending a orthodox church for a few months now and im thinking of joining but I cant help but disagree with him on evangelism. I understand what he is saying when its about growing there own church and empire. In my opinion I just got to disagree. Lord commands us to go out and make disciples of all nations. Paul says the feet of those who preach the gospel are blessed. How then are they to call on Him in whom they have not believed? How are they to believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher?
In saying this I found the Lord but thats by searching and finding videos like this and then going to my first Divine Liturgy.
Who ever said NOT to preach the Gospel! God forbid. Is it possible that you misunderstood him? (If we understand you right, you are referring to Fr. Peter?) Perhaps he said HOW to do it -- not NOT to do it?
This is a book he translated and UMP published -- all about the mission of the Church in the heart of Africa:
uncutmountainpress.com/shop/product/apostle-to-zaire/
@@OrthodoxEthos i will have to rewatch the video perhaps I misheard him or mis understood what he was trying to say God bless.
Mt. 13:13 "Therefore speak I to them in parables..."
Jesus uses analogy and metaphor too. ; ) Pax.
When Jesus speaks in parables, its always clear. None of them thought it was a hard saying when He said he was the door. The way His audience reacts to what is said in the video, clearly indicates He was not speaking in a parable. Not only that, but he continues to re-state it as they question Him.
Mark 4:34
And in private he explained the parables to his disciples.
Mark 4:34
He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything.
He says there are some of them that believe not, indicating it is a matter of unbelief and lack of faith, not of misunderstanding or taking something metaphorical, as literal. Then we have the instance of the last supper, as well as Paul's mentioning of the Eucharist (1 cor 10:16-17 and 1 cor 11:28-29) along with the writings regarding it by early church fathers who were themselves disciples of disciples, so, clearly, it was intended to be literal@@dravenocklost4253
모든 사람이 주의 만찬을 진지하고 명상적인 방식으로 먹어야 하며,
청소년이나 심지어 성직자가 예배
후에 음식을 들이키는 것은 매우
잘못된 일이라는 것은
사실입니다. 취하는 방식은 우리가 취한다고 믿는 것만큼 중요합니다. 하나님은 그것이 무엇인지 아시고
우리는 이러한 것들을 조만간 알게 될 것입니다.
I still don't accept this explanation. Christ speaks about real bread (like manna) and says it doesn't save. Christ speaks about how he is the bread of life, and also that man does not live by bread alone but by every word of God. Christ is the word of God, a word that we can live on. Unfortunately, I still see no call to eat a physical bread or wine to be in communion with him.
I love how you’re digging into and questioning things. John 6 was confusing to me too, given my evangelical church background. I’d just encourage you to keep pressing forward in your journey into the depth & power of communion (per 1 Cor 11:29-30), and not rest in your tradition’s understanding - perhaps it is incomplete. For instance, I’m glad I questioned my evangelical church’s tradition about communion 2 years ago (which was gnostic-tainted) and have been satisfied & growing with solid food since joining the Orthodox Church last year.
@@chmanty I can't worship bread.
@@GoatKeepah Good - neither does anyone who is orthodox. We're in agreement - we worship Christ himself. Sounds like you have some confusion, but commenting on YT is not an appropriate way to address it. Rather, I challenge you to connect with a orthodox pastor near you, and chat with him in person. I encourage you: Don't shy away from engaging - reach out to him.
@@GoatKeepah No one who's Orthodox worships beard. We eat it ;)
@@chmanty Yes, but you believe that bread becomes God. Insane. Ask any two year old if they are looking at bread or God, and they'll tell you the truth.
Christ is making an ontological statement. There is no separation between the metaphysical and the physical. Does it offend you that there is no ontological distinction between God's essence and energies - that participation in God's energies is real, essential union with Him? The same exact reality is proclaimed by Christ in what he says regarding the Eucharist.
What is ontological for us dummies?
@@brentlunger9738 Ontological means regarding the nature of existence, being, reality.
Perhaps it is some distorted notion of piety, to deny the Incarnation and possibility of a man who is not fallen but rather divine in nature... It is a scandal and a crisis at once, God taking on a human nature, whilst being fully divine... This is the philosophical problematic at the core of many heresies, "absolute divine simplicity" doctrine. Union with God somehow entails pollution of God or something, people are adamantly viewed as irredeemable creatures... At least it is true regarding our nature, our sins are small crucifixions of Christ, we sin because we are fallen and freewilled. But the Incarnation is the redemption, the bringing of redemption for faithful mankind, Christ in a paradoxical way allows fallen man to partake in that which is divine, to have the very likeness of God. This is basically taboo in most so called religions, usually the unification or deification thing is impersonal, a created or carnal (even if metaphysical) substrata of some mysterious kingdom, a mere analogy at best, not the direct experience. You should see what these folks say about illumination, the intense form of theosis, they basically say it's self-idolatry, you believe you can acquire literal Godhood, to merge with God, etc... Well, participation in essence is a paradox, made possible by Christ, if one rejects the person of Christ as God then God Himself will not grant that person direct experience of Him to know Him properly/really, if that person's ethos is trash like ancient barbarian pagans then He may even send delusion instead of licensing participation in Him... So they think it's all based on piety and respect for God, but they did not receive Him, they did not have the virtue to see the virtues in Christ's Incarnation and plan, to then accept Him the greatest blessing of all... But if we return to the prophetic scheme of the old covenants we can see Christ's Incarnation is consistent with all that prior plan of God, and it was really not a contradiction of His own Will and Order that He came to earth as a God-man.
@@Aaron-xb4rq when you take the eucharist in your church what actually you take ? Do you take the essence of God ?
@@ΓραικοςΕλληναςChrist is everything. God is one in essence and indivisible. God's essence manifests as all that is. Therefore, the Eucharist is God's essence manifest as bread and wine.
Is bread and wine ontologically separate from Christ? No. Is the prosfora I made Christ? Yes. Is the wheat I grew and the water I drew from the ground Christ? Yes. Like Christ transfigured on the mountain, the bread and the water (and the wine) don't become something they weren't already. They are simply revealed in all their glory for what they always already are. There is no separation.