Honoring God In Sexual Relations - According to St. Porphyrios
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The more I learn about Orthodoxy, the more I see how it has answers for everything. I struggle with homosexual attractions and its so beautiful to see that the Orthodox church neither disregards nor affirms me. Homosexuality is a very tragic and confusing passion, but it's utterly amazing that the Orthodox church acknowledges the way this passion can feel to people like me. It's not like any of us asked to be this way or saw it coming, so most of us conclude that it's something beyond us that made us this way. Because of this, many end up accepting it (God help them) while those who don't are left in this limbo, not knowing how to deal with a seemingly unsolvable passion. I say all this to mean, the notion that it's not (completely) my fault for having this passion is soothing beyond belief. I don't mean to condemn my parents, but my conception was a bit shaky, and I'm left to wonder if that had an effect on how I turned out. Please Father pray for me, and forgive me if I misinterpreted anything. AMEN.
It is important for us to understand that we all have temptations and passions and we usually do not get to choose which things tempt us, but we are all responsible for struggling against our sinful desires and making good use of what the Church has provided for this struggle - Confession, penances if needed, Holy Communion, prayer rules, fasting, etc. Some who are not Orthodox act as if homosexual desires alone are sinful while everything is permitted within a marriage between a man and woman. Even in a marriage, spouses can be tempted to desire those they are not married to, or may be tempted to do unnatural acts in marriage. We all have a cross to bear and must struggle against all desires that are not pleasing to God.
@@OrthodoxEthos thank you father
I Have Never, Until Now, Have Heard Such Profound Teaching On Sexual Relations and The Tier One and Only, Holy, Eastern Orthodox Catholic and Apostolic Church. God Bless You Father Peter Heers and Orthodox Ethos ®️. AXIOS ☦️‼️
Thank you, father!! I’m married, 2 kids under 2, and since our conversion to Orthodoxy began, I’ve found no resources on this! When I was an Evangelical there were. I’m glad to get an Orthodox perspective ☦️
Darling, see what God says in his last revelation : Qur'an and teachings of the last prophet Amazing details about how to deal with everyone including how to , what bot to etc. Just amazing.
@@highesteem2778
I’m not interested in Islam, thank you. Jesus Christ is God.
Lord Jesus Christ Son of God, have mercy on us, sinners!☦️
Married with 8 kids and all of us Orthodox. I just recently started hearing about these teachings and am very conflicted. Ive talked to my priest and he is very gentle and careful when discussing these things with me. Prayers please for guidance and holiness for our home. Im honestly pretty confused about all of this.
Is there something that can be explained here?
@@OrthodoxEthos forgive me Father. No I don't know if there is much else to explain, but if you wouldn't mind praying for us to be able to live out the Faith even in these areas of our life where, until recently, we didn't even think there was anything to correct. Thank you.
Wow, 8 children. Glory to God.
Darling, see what God says in his last revelation : Qur'an and teachings of the last prophet Amazing details about how to deal with everyone including how to , what bot to etc. Just amazing.
Muhammed is a false prophet @@highesteem2778
Glory to Jesus Christ ☦️
Saint Porphyrios pray to God, for us☦️
Never heard this point of view before, but it makes very much sense, May all the saints pray and intervene for us!
Thank you Father! Please pray for us, Andreea and Andrei. We came back to the Church 4 years ago when our first son was born. This topic is the most difficult to talk about even with lifetime friends who-unlike me - never left the faith. We are Romanians, and it is so hard as all the culture is infected with this idea that if you don't do your will, you become frustrated and somehow ill.
May God have mercy on all of us and soften our hearts to the truth!
I do agree 100%
We must follow our Orthodox Teachings ☦️❤️🔥✝️
Elder [Saint] Arsenie Boca of Romania 🇷🇴 also said this exact same thing... it's in his book also. 🙏 ☦️🔥
Arsenie Boca is far for being a saint, he was a fraud, a heretic and an absolute disgrace for the Orthodox Church in Romania.
Anathema to Arsenie Boca's heresies!
its sad that this is mocked, holy conception produces holy children
Some people seem to be confused or shocked by this teaching, but what were their expectations?
So, we fast in order to avoid falling into fornication and wrath. We are diligent in prayer and in our spiritual life so as not to be ensnared by the entertainment of the world, spiritual laziness, or any distractions.
We monitor how much food we eat (it makes no sense to fast if afterwards we just eat all day), so we avoid gluttony.
We are careful about what we allow our eyes to see, so that we can keep our minds clean from horrible images.
We read and hear the teachings of the church because we want to renew our minds to love more the things of God rather than the things of the world.
But somehow, we end up believing that we can have this unholy and unblessed union with our partners three times a day just for fun and pleasure... Wake up, brothers, repent, and fix your gaze on our Lord Jesus Christ.
Scientifically, we know that things such alcoholism, predispositions to anger, etc can be passed down genealogically. Even if only speaking in a worldly way with logic and science alone, it certainly seems that it will be the same with these things. Being that we know in just a worldly way that things of the such can be passed on, it seems it would be even more impactful on a spiritual level. Lord have mercy! This is even taught throughout scripture, I can't recall the exact quote, but just one of them is something along the lines of the sins of the father are visited upon the next generation(s).
Father Heers, thank you for sharing this. You are not one to shy away from difficult topics, and this is something that needs to be said.
It’s interesting St. Porphyrios said that the children take in the passions of the parents and leads to an increase in same sex sin, among many other evils in the world.
Before I was received into the Orthodox Church, I was reflecting on this particular sin and thought/thinking about it being not just a sin of that particular individual, but also the sin of the parents/family/community/culture/country as well, becoming a mirror reflecting back the sin of the parents/family/community/culture/country. I began to wonder if perhaps as parents/families/communities/the culture/country grows (descends) increasingly in self-love, that an increasing number of people are given over (born that way even) to this sin as a means for the parents/family/community/culture/country to stop and take a hard look at themselves and to realize that their sin is our sin, that our love for God has turned inward towards ourselves, so much so that children/people are born this way (no genetic markers found because it’s spiritual).
As a Protestant pastor I hadn’t found any other pastors or theologians thinking along those lines and so I was still thinking through it. That thought got put on hold as I became an inquirer and then eventually a Catechumen and finally (just this past February 2024) became Orthodox. Hearing this has made me think that Saint Porphyrios’ teaching is from God and that God was even beginning to open my mind to this Truth as He was preparing me to move towards His Holy Orthodox Church!
Honestly, St. Paul’s teaching that the marriage bed should be holy didn’t make a lot of sense as a Protestant Christian. What was permitted to be done in the bedroom between married Protestant Christians varied, but it was not uncommon to hear or read something to the effect of “whatever is consensually agreed upon between the husband and wife so long as it wasn’t a known sin” and even that “a known sin” was always in question and open for debate. It was almost as though what American Evangelical Protestant Christianity knew to do was “clean up” or “Christianize” what the culture/world did/does, even in the bedroom. In some ways, Protestant Christians were talking about consent before it became this hot mess in the culture now with anything goes so long as both adults consent you it first.
To be honest, I never thought that oral wasn’t just part of what adults did in the bedroom. With the OC saying it too is the sin of sodomy at first was difficult to understand, but makes sense now. I can see the effects porn has had on society since I was growing up, but I didn’t realize just how much it had already taken root in the culture/country as I was growing up to where I didn’t associate it with sin or not being “normal” bedroom activity among married people (or even secular people). And yet, we know that for something to be holy means in part that it’s different than everything else in the world and therefore should be truly approached differently than the whole world.
Mr. Watkins, if you think that there are no homosexuals born in traditional Orthodox families (that never practiced oral or anal) you are wrong.
The people didn’t believe Saint Porphyrios because the foundation was already built on sand. The point of marriage is to avoid sexual immorality for people who lack self control. Denying marriage to people because of political beliefs, fear of persecution, or worse the idea that God’s grace will not fill what is lacking is the problem. So people learn all sorts of sexual immorality outside of marriage because it was denied to them-mostly because they’re “to young to get married.” So the preaching of sexual morality within marriage falls on deaf ears. Since the only reason people get married in secular society is to have children. Unfortunately it’s the the fault of many in turning to secular science that claims that young people can’t get married. So it’s no wonder they trusted the science over the Saints.
Amazing.. Very very relevant. 🔥♥️
Thank you very much for this video and for mentioning this!
This specific point aside (because I can actually understand it and overall feel the same way on it). I must say Father, and forgive me if I am being too blunt, but in general your views on marriage are absolutely soul crushing. At this point why bother with marriage. What a horrible burden. Just go become a monastic, because apparently the layman has almost no chance for salvation. If we have to live like monks, why be married and in the world? It’s pointless.
I wouldn’t even be able to get intimacy with my wife if I followed the spiritual life Orthodox Ethos demands. Whenever I’m fasting and praying, or tbh just praying in general but longer and more focused…I physically cannot “react” to my wife (forgive me for the graphic language).
So if I lived the full ascetical life all the time, I wouldn’t be able to even come together once with the “intent on having a child”. So again, why bother. I should have become a monk. Now I’m doomed according to your rigourism.
Do not give in to the temptation of despair. What has been shared here are the teachings of the saints for our salvation. If we are not living accordingly, we should not give up hope but go to Confession and struggle to live as Christ intended. When the Lord spoke regarding marriage and divorce, the disciples of the Lord also said, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry (Matthew 19:10).” If one is not married, it is blessed to remain celibate, but if one is married, then it is blessed to remain married and to live in marriage as God intended. Living a carnal life focused on satisfying the pleasures of the flesh doesn’t lead to salvation, whether one is married or not.
Exactly. The implications here are just crazy and make it almost impossible not to have sinful relations with your own spouse.
I have no problem at all condemning sodomy acts or refraining before Communion but all the rules and regulations around pregnancy and fasting days lead to absurd implications.
@@OrthodoxEthos Jesus Christ never spoke of 200 fasting days a year and never spoke about the days of the calendar being 200+ days a year when husband and wives they can’t have relationships
Who made that up and when ?
@@SinkingStarship I think abstaining during pregnancy makes a lot of sense. Also not religious people can feel disgusted by that, since a child is present there.
The rest is exaggerated, and it’s unclear who decided to start this 200+ days of fasting a year to be applied to lay people
I can understand that no sodomy etc it’s accepted in a holy marriage bed etc (that’s cultural for me, and even Catholics think it’s a no no !)
But the calendar days based on the Orthodox days are insane, I don’t get it
By the way Jewish people abstain a couple weeks a month during menstrual cycle (a little bit before and after the menstrual cycle) so why should Orthodox Christians base their abstinence from marriage relationships around a fasting calendar?
I don’t agree anymore with these teaching and it’s unclear who started these teachings and why and in which moment of the history they decided to apply that to lay people
Christ has Risen ! ❤️☦️
Profoundly important, as one who is waiting for marriage I never considered this approach. Thank you Father.
Darling, see what God says in his last revelation : Qur'an and teachings of the last prophet Amazing details about how to deal with everyone including how to , what bot to etc. Just amazing.
@@highesteem2778 No
Most women will not know they are pregnant until MINIMUM 6 weeks-8 weeks and will keep trying for conception in that time. The logic about not having sexual relations during pregnancy just boggles my mind. Are you trying for a child, or are you not???????? 🙄
Please consider listening again and getting more than the surface and quantities and logical analysis out of the saint’s teaching, which is spiritual and deeply reverential and trusting in God’s providence.
When you know you're pregnant, you don't have sexual relations with your husband, and your husband should respect that. If you're trying to conceive and don't know you're pregnant, you continue, within the boundaries of the church, until menstruation or a pregnancy test is positive. It's a process. Fr Peter is sharing the most Holy way from the most holy people. These are things we can aim for if we want to live a holy life and have a chance at conceiving children who will then be nurtured in a holy way. This is all for and in Love. For Life.
@@OrthodoxChristianWife what you are saying is a contradiction to 1.Cor. 7. Verses 4 and 5.
@@PhantomWoIfverse 5 literally says that to abstain during prayer and fasting with consent is good. A good and holy marriage would see both consenting to what is good and holy. The full chapter you speak of expresses how it's best to abstain, but due to sexual immorality, we are to marry in order to >not be immoral
@OrthodoxChristianWife very well said! What @PhantomWolf is missing is this letter to the Corinthian Church is correctional. St. Paul is correcting many things going awry in The Church of Corinth.
St. Paul said he wished people were as he is, single/chaste/pure/virgin. In this one can be wholly devoted to God. When you read this chapter and the surrounding context you find there was confusion on sexual conduct with teaching a very strict chaste life that was leading some to burn with lust and when no longer capable of maintaining this, turned towards sexual immorality. Therefore, St. Paul said it was good to marry instead of burning with lust. One can then understand this as correctional teaching and that if you need to scratch the itch of sexual desires then go ahead and get married rather than sleeping around with multiple partners.
Which then one can see how that using your spouse to meet your sexual desires is not good and will need to strive towards elevating your love making to something higher as Christians and to keep the marriage bed holy is then to reign in these unbridled passions. Now the stronger spouse will have to bear with the weaker spouse so as to not allow the weaker spouse stumble with the attacks of the devil.
Also, just my thoughts, but if an Orthodox married couple was going to practice this to conceive a holy child, then just maybe one might not need to repeatedly have relations multiple times until a pregnancy test shows a positive, but rather set aside a specific time to do this and trust God that this one act will result in being fruitful. Which might then mean fasting from marital relations for a whole month at a time to wait and see if there is any fruit. If you’re going to fast from such relations during the entirety of the pregnancy, then maybe God in His wisdom will not allow the wife to get pregnant right away so as to strengthen the weaker spouse by allowing for the couple to come together in another month (building up to fasting entirely for nine months). So if it takes six months to conceive and each month the husband and wife only came together once each time, might it then not be too difficult even for the weaker spouse to now forgo for nine months since they’ve been doing so a whole month at a time for six months? Perhaps also a discipline of prayer is developed around sexual intimacy and when the weaker spouse may feel a “need” to come together physically, they could pray together instead and pray until the Lord gives an increase of grace to the spouse to resist!
I agree with the morality laws on sexual conducts in marriage between Orthodox Christians (they are the same for catholic traditionalists)
The one thing I am not able to agree is about the calendar
I can’t believe it’s forbidden to have marital relationships for 200 days out of the year that are fasting days, plus it’s forbidden up to 3 days before Holy Communions, then it’s forbidden the day before a Holy Feast and the day of the Holy Feast
Why this calendar?
Early Christian’s did not fast like that nor had that calendar
Can somebody explain that to me?
Something to seriously consider is that God is the inventor of pleasure and whatever the world entices us with is nothing compared to what God is capable of providing. Making the marital relationship sacramental is a way, in my opinion, to invite God in, to mend the fears and insecurities the couple might have about this subject.
Maybe to even have fun and be excited about it in a way that transcends what the world can only try to grasp for. It's like having a treasure that's only known by the Husband and Wife and God. And in my opinion, it's a treasure that foreshadows what's to come in the Next Life.
The main reason I say these things is because there is a tendency for people to idolize the vision of the world, especially on this subject, and turning away from it can be scary and bring a lot of negative feelings.
When the reality should be the opposite. The promises of God are always better than what the world offers. His Promises are real and He isn't anti-pleasure at all. We should be running to God and seek His vision for our lives instead of what the world's vision is promising. God is Good and the world is passing away.
Father, Your blessing! What is the chant at the end of your videos, and the beginning?
I liked it too. Please let me know if you find out aswell.
Very good Broadcast. Extremely beneficial. Much Obliged. This broadcast means a lot. IC XC NIKA, Ο'Θεος ειναι μαζι σασ.🙂
But genuinely how would I know if she is pregnant?
Meaning, will The married person have to wait after the act 2 weeks to check if the wife is pregnant?
Yes, that looks like solution
Amen 🙏
Children inherit familiar spirits. We need to he holy in general. Practice self diacipine and restraint. Submit to the will of god, and have our bodies under the authority of the spirit of god.
It's a serious question... What about mutual manual stimulation between spouses?
It's a sin
Excellent video, Father! Unfortunately, my wife couldn't come to terms with this difficult teaching and it led to our separation and my separation from our parish. I miss my daughter. May your teaching this blessed doctrine bring them back into communion with the saints! ☦️❤
St. John Chrysostom said a husband or wife cannot deny one another in marital relations regardless of reasons of piety, and must maintain harmony at all costs. And that if one’s piety were to lead to the other sleeping with someone else then you would be the person guilty for their adultery.
So now your wife and you have separated, maybe even divorced? God forbid. And she may eventually sleep with someone else…so she will be committing adultery. All thanks to this supposed piety? How is this helping anything. This is destroying marriages. I’m in shambles over this.
@@NoeticInsight I'm saddened you deny our saints this way. We need to unite ourselves to the chain of saints. St John's spiritual descendants run in a line to our day and his words are interpreted through them. Chrysosthom wasn't talking about shocking babies with your lustful acts.
Of course you are correct -- within limits.
This is not referring to the above post's example at all, of course, but more generally:
St. John would not have meant, for example, unnatural acts of sodomy, including oral sex, which are condemned as defiling the marriage bed.
Why would a spouse insist on such acts? Or, worse, demand them and threaten to leave if these were not performed?
Is sin passed down from parents to children? Or are the ramifications of the sin passed down?
No, my friend; only the ramifications.
So beautiful.
I've never heard anything like this before. Please pray for me as I repent.
Darling, see what God says in his last revelation : Qur'an and teachings of the last prophet Amazing details about how to deal with everyone including how to , what bot to etc. Just amazing.
Fr. Peter, what do I do in the event that the priest who administers marriage counseling to us does not hold these views? I am completely convinced and have a sincere desire to follow the words of Holy St. Porphyrios down to the letter, but if my priest presents more lenient or even contradictory guidance, how will I manage to convince my future wife (who is a recent convert to Orthodoxy and is unaware of all of this and could be opposed to it)?
We all need to seek and find a spiritual father to guide us. Among the criteria for a spiritual father is that he follows the teachings of the saints and Fathers and has spiritual experience and discernment to help us apply these teachings to our circumstances. Ordination does not automatically bestow knowledge of the teachings of the saints and Fathers nor discernment. In Orthodoxy, we have the freedom to choose who to guide us, not to find someone who will do our will, but who will do God’s will.
See what God says in his last revelation : Qur'an and teachings of the last prophet Amazing details about how to deal with everyone including how to , what bot to etc. Just amazing.
Father. I'm not saying anything you are saying is incorrect. However is the internet the correct venue for such an intimate subject? Wouldn't this be more appropriate for the couple to discuss with their priest when preparing for marriage?
It shouldn't be the venue but because of all of the delusional thinking around this subject that is everywhere, and much of it coming from people in the Church, it is necessary to speak about these things publicly.
@@paisios2541 I would normally agree however in my teen years there was just as much infidelity. That was over 50 years. Merely look at the teen pregnancy rate to see it has always been a problem.
Sadly, many people report to us that their priests do not talk about these things and that seem either ignorant of or indifferent to what the saints have taught on this subject. On the internet we should openly share the teachings of the saints but people must have a spiritual father to help and guide them while struggling to follow the teachings of the saints in their particular circumstances.
This isn't a shameful topic and it's great for anyone to have in their mind and heart.
@@OrthodoxEthos Thank you. I better under your position now. God bless.
This is genius. I am ashamed I posted flippant and sarcastic comments in the past. It was cruel and petty. I accept full blame. Forgive me Father. I’m not kidding. What Father says here is really important. I know because having studied Islam, Judaism and Hinduism I realize how psychologically devastating deviant acts are even in marriage. Married couples go crazy. You should see the underwear they sell in the bazaars of Cairo. It’s revolting. Or Kama Sutra. I still have headaches when I recall that book.
I’ve always felt this way, even when I was an “atheist/ unbeliever”
SEX= Sacred Energy Exchange… it’s something to be treated with the utmost care and protection
That is Spiritizm.
THANK-YOU: FATHER-PETER-HE-hERS-! + pp.
I know that sex is sacred, however for me, virginity and sex has lost its meaning a long time ago, since it's hard for me to find a girlfriend (most likely unlikable, unlovable). I have firmly decided to sleep with girls I like, so that I may feel love, wanted and a connection, so that I may be loved by a lot of women in this modern world. I always wished it wouldn't have come to this, but it's a path that I must choose. I cannot stay single, virgin, unloved, for the rest of my life.
You need to know that relationships are spiritual. The time will come. Women respect spiritual men. Women want men who they respect.
Self control, discipline is what is attractive to women.
Sleeping around will hurt you in the long run. Fornication and adultery is fround upon by god and is a sin.
@@Jeremiah59 Everything what you said I already know since I was young. I'm 26 now, look I'm not gonna reveal much about me but coming from a poor background and no love, money and women is what matters to me, it's what I desire and what my heart desires. If I came from a good or rich family I wouldn't be dealing with such a problem.
Brother fight it.
Before I became a Christian I lived such a carnal life, always engaged in the persuit of sexual conquest and being fairly successful.
What I can say is now I'm married and a Christian I regret it so deeply and the life I lived has left such spiritual scars that I fight temptation every single day and fall and fail. Its soul crushing and awful and I regret my past so much, I would hate to see you make the same mistake because you are listening to the wicked desires of your own heart (or satan and the demons tempting you).
Please, talk to your preist about this. Be strong, repent and follow Christ and forgive me, a sinner worse than you for daring to offer advice also. I just dont want you to make the mistakes I made
@@L0wen Thank you for your advice brother, but I have to kindly decline it. You see, there is a key part in this, you and the ones who already did it went through the emotion, even though it comes at a cost. The difference between you and me is that I was neglected, and a person who never experienced any form of love, whether carnal or not, cannot know how I feel. The neglect has driven me insane, I got a chance to visit Mt. Athos this December, and I went to the very few holy men left on this earth, without saying anything he gave me the answer to my problem at first meeting and gave me his blessings (I wasn't expecting him to even welcome me), the next day I went searching for more answers and I got the answers that I was looking for this entire time, and one of them was that I need a Holy person (a person with a priesthood) to help me out of my situation, almost without sin. That's the only insight I can give you.
Again I am committed to sleep with women, for the love and connection, I never wanted it to be like this, I did wanted to go into a stable relationship and lose my virginity there, however with to no avail. I'm sorry brother of internet, but it is a proven fact if you just have a little bit of attention from women, then they all like you, sleeping with them will get me to the women that I want. That way I will gain experience and find the right one. Like I said you don't know how it is to be neglected, without love, the words of the people like you cannot touch me.
I think you should speak to priest about the conclusion you’ve come to.
I don't understand why our elders don't like the New World Order when it is very much in line with what you recommend even though it has a different goal. Statistics show that more and more young people are asexual, hate sex, don't marry and don't have children... So rejoice, Orthodox teachers! No sex, no children, no sins of fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers. Let's spend our miserable lives devoting them to companies where we will toil day and night. If we survive, the depths of despair will cleanse our hearts, and we will be able to cry out from the depths of our souls: Lord, save us from haters of life, women, sex, and bring back the "Pharisee" Freud, we pray to you. At the very least, unlike these present-day monks who snoop on other people's marriage beds, Freud was an honest and sincere man!
Exactly. The clear implication of all of this is that even married people should almost never have sex at all because they’re probably just sinning one way or another or creating spiritually deformed children.
Amazing how we can twist things and miss the point entirely.
@@pah9730 Could you please then explain the point I missed? Or perhaps more specifically/precisely: what is the essential difference between the recommended spousal sex in your video and the permissible sex life described in George Orwell's book 1984?
Now I think you're just venting your frustrations on Orthodoxy. Following the path of Christ and his Commandments is actually what's best for the ''health'' of our souls and we're not just blindly obeying orders that are meant to tyrannise us. Our sole purpose of existance, according to Orthodoxy that is, is Theosis and to reach that state we must follow the Way of God that was presented to us by Christ and by the Holy Spirit through its vessels, the saints.
@@jameskid1989 You are partially right. I am frustrated, but I am also much more afraid of the zealots, who like cancer are destroying our Church wherever they appear. Dark faces, mouths full of threats and detailed descriptions of the hellish torments that await us, and devices sticking out of pockets to accurately measure everything - from the length of a woman's skirt and headscarf, to the length of prayer and intercourse. That is not Orthodoxy! My father once told me... you know, when you say everything you know about Orthodoxy, what you keep silent about after that speech is actually Orthodoxy.
Sorry for pointing out the fact of finding such a woman in todays day and age lads is near impossible . They be so rare and besides what does a virgin Saint know about the Eros and Agape without experience . The sins of the parents and ancestors shouldn't be a weight on the offspring. Think Solomon and David so go forth and multiply and live righteously as possibly you can . If your Pater isn't helpful then move your faith inward as Paters get replaced . Honouring the Holy of Holies is eternal . Now go cook me some cabbage dolmas please , thanks ( Eucharist ) .
There are nearly 4 billion women in the world my friend, surely it is not impossible.
You dont have to practice something in order to be educated on it, you dont even know where he makes that argument from.
The fall is obviously a huge issue that SHOULD AND WILL be taken into consideration, thats not something up to you to decide and there's so much evidence suggesting its a fact that you're just honestly talking bs.
David and Solomon come from a line of pseudo-redemption and solomon is the worst example in this context, since you know what was said to happend to him because of greed.
The "go forth and multiply" simplysity comes from pre-fall.
I hope you're doing OK. Maybe you can go visit a father in person to help.
It is not you who finds the woman, but our Father in heaven who brings her to you. You will have a woman who is evenly yoked with you, and if this is how you feel about women, then the woman you want will be equally discouraged. Do not have faith in the goodness of the worldly women, because the world does not produce such goodness, but have faith in your father in the Holy Trinity alone.
In Orthodoxy we follow the saints who were guided by the Holy Spirit. Most of these saints were celibate just as the Lord, the Theotokos, St. Paul and many others. One doesn’t have to be married to understand God’s will regarding marriage and sexual relations. Regarding finding a spouse who will follow the Orthodox teachings on this topic, Orthodox men and women with good spiritual fathers will already know these things. If you have a spiritual father who follows the teachings of the saints, he will be able to advise you on how to find a spouse who is willing to live an Orthodox way of life that is pleasing to God.
sex is not a ritual
It is a ritual in the sense that it is part of a mystery of the Church. Each sacrament is composed of other parts and rituals. In Eucharist the communion doesn't simply reach the mouths of believers but there must be a liturgy, processions, an alter table, a cutting of the bread, and a consecration. In the same sense the marriage mystery doesn't simply end after the marriage ceremony, but carries over into the marriage bed, the raising of children, etc. Thus it should be approached as a mystery, with reverance and holiness.
@@CadeLand011 sex has been real since adam and eve without your claims.
Πολύ όμορφα μας είπατε το μυστήριο του γάμου,θέλω να προσθέσω μόνον ότι το μυστήριο αυτό εάν λειψή θα καταστραφεί και η ζωή και η Εκκλησία επί της γης.Ποιος όμως βίωσε πνευματικά το μυστήριο αυτό και το κράτησε;@@CadeLand011
it is not for you thats why for you its just sex and the road to death
Even shaking hands is a ritual, what are you talking about