I played my first round with my PXG Allan putter. I am a 15.5 index. I had 31 putts which is 4 putts below my average. I had zero 3 putts. I had 3 birdies on the back 9. It took some getting used to but my back 9 showed me the potential.
Sam Hahn makes the point that unless other companies are willing to hand-build each putter to make sure the balance is correct, they will not achieve true zero torque through the stroke. That is probably not a commitment many mass producers would be willing to make.
Yes 🙌. LAB are built to your exact lie angle. I feel more confident knowing my DF3 was built at 72 deg lie angle and fit for me. Can’t say the same for PXGs putter
PXG Allan looks great but LAB is individually hand-balanced. That's unreal these days. And made in the USA. Come on, golfers. Real innovation, real passion, real results need to be rewarded. Not a guilt trip, either. Real results.
I had an early version of the Directed Force 2.1 called a Reno. I currently have a MEZZ1. My current gamer is the Odyssey Toe Up #7. It was / is Odyssey’s version of a low / no torque putter. I believe the toe up line was around 2016. Although I am a fan of LAB and I absolutely believe they are 100% legit, I prefer the look / feel of the Toe Up. After testing the PXG Allan, I believe it is more similar to the Odyssey Toe Up tech than the LAB tech. That stated, both work very well and more low / no torque putters are coming as LAB 100% is changing the game.
I have carried a 44" and 45" driver both for years. The 44 is a Titleist 910D 12* and 45" is a Mizuno STX 10.5 *. The 910 is a fairway finder all day long. Still has good carry distance because it a little spinny but if you need short grass it's a killer for that. I just don't carry a real 3 wood but a 16.5* TM M4 - 3 wood that is more like a 4 wood. You have to give up something to carry two drivers !
I Struggled my entire golfing life (45 years) Ive struggled with figure 8 backstrokes with my putter. Tried every putter style and amount of toe throw with zero difference. Culminated in a last ditch effort to throw the entire kitchen sink at this problem. I got fitted in a quintic lab, to my new evenroll putter with a BGT shaft. $1,100.00 (Canadian) and ....same struggles. Putting mirrors, gate drills etc, no change. Desperate and impulsive, I bought a LAB DF3 without ever seeing one in real life. Online fitting tool, several emails back and forth with LAB and outfitted with the TPT shaft. $1,350.00 (Canadian including exchange, tax, shipping, duty etc) Holy !!! I now know that this will be the putter I use the rest of my life. All the mind clutter trying to find a grip, stance, elbow position etc to get a stroke to work back and through is gone. It's on rails with no effort. I just worry about line and speed and I will guarantee that after golfing a summer with all my usual friends, cost would be the only thing that keeps a bunch of them from getting a LAB. It is a cheat code and I can't believe how good it is. Now if I could read greens better:).
I've owned 3 deferent LAB Golf putters (DF 2.1, DF 3, and Mizz 1 Max). The DF 3 has been in my bag since they came out. I just purchased the PXG Allen. I LOVE IT. One of the main reasons I struggled with the LAB putters, is the weight. The Allen feels great, looks great and putts great. I don't really care what the revealer shows. I care more about how it feels in my hands.
I had a LAB as well and I like the Allan much better, it looks much better to look at and it never leaves the line. to me, it looks like a spider and I love the style of it
@Tylerstorey63 confidence in what you're looking down at is important! Still a big vouch for L.A.B products but I'm happy you guys are finding new stuff that you find beneficial
@@iiZAPPx yeah I still love the LAB putter but I just prefer the look of the PXG and I never thought I would ever say that about a PXG product lol I have never been a fan of there stuff.
Just a comment, L.A.B putter is awesome DF3 is in my bag. L.A.B is coming out with a new mallet that looks much more traditional. Looks fantastic might try? Until then nothing will replace my L.A.B DF3.
LAB are built to your lie angle. I feel more confident knowing my DF3 was built at 72 deg lie angle and fit for me. Can’t say the same for PXG’s Allen putter. Also, Sam Hahns video shows the Allen isn’t 100% torque free
Recently I went from PXG putter to LAB. What a difference. Sam got on an actual phone call with me when I put questions out there during the fitting process. I suck at putting and LAB made me much better. Sam rocks!
LAB is legit. Not messiah putters but definitely not a gimmick. The multiple unsponsored tour wins support it. Most putters are great so every little improvement may be quite small. But they add up.
Guys, I actually have a “ mega mini driver”, but it is 440cc. I built a Maltby KE4 Pro driver at 44” long and added enough weight to the clubhead through the sole weight port to achieve a D3 swingweight. It works great as a “control driver”, although it is sort of like a larger version of the mini driver.
The PXG Allen is low torque, but not zero torque. I'm sure it's a great putter and will probably be a good fit for lots of golfers. The only issue that I see is that they are marketing it as "Zero Torque".
@kcroyal5249 I believe some things that I see on the internet that seem credible. And the Allen does not stay stable in the revealer, according to multiple videos.
I never really got along with hybrids till I picked up the Paradym Super Hybrid. Thankfully at ⅓ the price. Instead of mini drivers, like to see some OEM release more similar hybrids to the super. Seems more practical than a mini driver
I was amazed/thrilled/shocked to be included in the PXG Allan test through MGS. I've only been able to use it for one round so far, but it made a huge difference. I averaged 1.56 putts per hole. (My liftetime average is 2.1 pph) I had ZERO three-putts! I've never used a LAB putter, but from watching the video, I really feel like the two brands are trying to do different things. LAB wants their club to have zero rotation during the swing. PXG wants the club to rotate. Of course the club is going to act funny in the tester of the other brand. That's not what the club was designed for! They each had a different goal in mind when they designed it. I think each club has reached their desired goal.
clubtech for XY and just got a couple of sleeves from local PXG rep to try, spent a few days trying them out with diff clubs, then set up some data points using them against my ball and a control. Hey they are a good ball, #'s almost identical, well inside margin of error, however I only had a sleeve of each to process, They played good, almost identical to Titleist ProV / X and Maxfli X, however every now and then I'd get a flyer off the irons ( ? ) would I play them reg sure, would I buy them at $50 per doz not even maybe, I'm not going to drop my AVX for the same price point
I agree with you on the PXG ball retail price of $49 however, at $33 a dozen at the buy 2 get 1 free offer, I am going to give it a go. I look forward to your ball testing on the new PXG ball.
Because some of us don’t want to look like clowns playing croquet with a pool cue bridge, that’s why. I buy a lot of golf equipment and I wouldn’t play that goofy looking DF2 on a bet. I feel bad for anyone who has a bad day putting with one of those monstrosities.
I think it would be cool to have a forum member come on the pod whenever you guys are chatting about a product that the forum is getting the chance to test. Specifically someone who is actually getting that chance to test it, or has tested it!
@@GolfSpyC my dads fave club is his Tour Edge HL4- 6 iron-wood i got on Demo so i found him a 7 and 9 version. gets him down to his old 8 iron and PW he basically bumps and runs with. Been playing better with a small setup. Cant putt like he used to tho lol.
Amazon had PXG balls for 30 bucks last week. Took advantage and picked up 5 boxes after winning some cash on some football bets. One hobby paying for the other.
Yes, but there is nowhere you’re going to go and say I want to hit a five iron and a T2000 and a six iron and a T100… pretty much anywhere you go to get fit you’re hitting a six or seven iron that’s it. We are not tour players and don’t have that opportunity.
Yeah, 5 iron can be when the fitting becomes crucial. My ZX7 6 iron is amazing but 5 iron goes nowhere. Guess it just gives me an excuse to upgrade to ZXi5/7 combo soon haha.
Not everyone will like the same feel or same looking putter. No matter the putter, you will find it on eBay used because someone didn’t like it. You really don’t know until you take them on the putting green. Find what works best for you and don’t worry about the marketing hype or what your buddy plays.
Fitting options for PXG is significantly less than LAB. I felt like the LAB putter was fitted to me. If the PXG fits you, it is a great putter and better value for money. It would concern me if you wanted to change the lie/loft at a later date. Well worth getting a fitting for both and see which feels more suited to your setup.
I have the current ZX7s in my bag and the top line is seriously not a problem. And OMG, they are amazing irons. Why would you want to spend money on Titleist, TaylorMade or Callaway, when these are so much better and half the price for a set. No brainer.
I would like to try but the Labs do not fit my eye. They look too different in my opinion. I would def like to try the PXG Allen putter cause I already use mallets.
The fact that the Allan looks more like a conventional putter vs the LAB's funky looking designs doesn't seem to get much play on any of these talking heads channels
Isn’t every putter company copying for the most part 😂 When every company has their own torqueless putter, you’ll then see LAB start to make some Ansers.
Starting to split hairs a bit - which is where I think the entire "zero torque" discussion is headed, but SeeMore's calling card is an alignment system (red dot + centershaft) - this isn't the same as L.A.B.
@@GolfSpyC I disagree - While their alignment system (aka Rifle Scope) is one of there talking points, lie angle balanced has always been an important marketing point for SeeMore.
@@michaelcmg6754 As I understand lie-angle balancing, SeeMore isn't the same...it just isn't. CG balanced perhaps, and I get that there's plenty of nuance here, but if you really understand how LAB builds putters, it's clear that lie-angle balancing isn't what SeeMore is doing
I really don’t think it is a good look for LAB to be so concerned with what every other manufacturer is going to do that crowds there thing. Like you just need to be secure and confident in your product and let the results speak for themselves. Are they gonna put out a diss track for every putter that comes out that is balanced? It will never end.😂
I hear you and I hate having to do it. But in this case, it’s just blatant false advertising and capitalizing on 10 years of hard work on our part. It feels necessary to educate folks on this new space in the putter world and to advertise their putter as zero torque when it’s not even close just sucks. Not good for the consumer nor the industry. There’s been some other cometitors and if they stay in their lane and don’t make false claims, we dont make videos. Odyssey and Evnroll have had putters that perform similarly to the Allan but their marketing claims are honest. That isn’t the case here.
@@samhahn6950 the only education the people need on the false PXG advertising is that any putter that "finds home" (as the PXG video so confidently states) cannot do so in the absence of torque. It as an absolute requirement of the laws of physics for the Allan to "find home" that the lever being pulled to find home IS, in fact, TORQUE!
Maybe PXG should say that "finding home" is useful torque or at least more useful than a conventional putter? I don't know a lot about physics so perhaps that's contradictory on its face, I dunno.
I played my first round with my PXG Allan putter. I am a 15.5 index. I had 31 putts which is 4 putts below my average. I had zero 3 putts. I had 3 birdies on the back 9. It took some getting used to but my back 9 showed me the potential.
Same results, i have the branding iron lab putter. Just cannot come to terms with the lab look the PXG really works for me
Yeah I love that honeymoon phase as if you've been shot in the arm with a Steroid LMAO
Now imagine how much better you could have putted with a putter LAB hand built for you.
I’ve been playing PXG for 6 years and have a newish Spitfire putter, it’s fantastic and I don’t need to get an Allan just yet
Sam Hahn makes the point that unless other companies are willing to hand-build each putter to make sure the balance is correct, they will not achieve true zero torque through the stroke. That is probably not a commitment many mass producers would be willing to make.
Yes 🙌. LAB are built to your exact lie angle. I feel more confident knowing my DF3 was built at 72 deg lie angle and fit for me. Can’t say the same for PXGs putter
A company with enough resources can build a variety of lie angles and balances. Then it’s a matter of fitting.
Hand built and balanced in Oregon baby. Not mass produced in China
@@lawbinson unlike LAB, PXG isn’t building them to my lie angle or anyone else’s. That’s the issue.
PXG Allan looks great but LAB is individually hand-balanced. That's unreal these days. And made in the USA. Come on, golfers. Real innovation, real passion, real results need to be rewarded. Not a guilt trip, either. Real results.
I have a DF3 and to me at this point in time, there is no other putter, period.
I had an early version of the Directed Force 2.1 called a Reno. I currently have a MEZZ1. My current gamer is the Odyssey Toe Up #7. It was / is Odyssey’s version of a low / no torque putter. I believe the toe up line was around 2016. Although I am a fan of LAB and I absolutely believe they are 100% legit, I prefer the look / feel of the Toe Up.
After testing the PXG Allan, I believe it is more similar to the Odyssey Toe Up tech than the LAB tech. That stated, both work very well and more low / no torque putters are coming as LAB 100% is changing the game.
I have carried a 44" and 45" driver both for years. The 44 is a Titleist 910D 12* and 45" is a Mizuno STX 10.5 *. The 910 is a fairway finder all day long. Still has good carry distance because it a little spinny but if you need short grass it's a killer for that. I just don't carry a real 3 wood but a 16.5* TM M4 - 3 wood that is more like a 4 wood. You have to give up something to carry two drivers !
I Struggled my entire golfing life (45 years) Ive struggled with figure 8 backstrokes with my putter. Tried every putter style and amount of toe throw with zero difference. Culminated in a last ditch effort to throw the entire kitchen sink at this problem. I got fitted in a quintic lab, to my new evenroll putter with a BGT shaft. $1,100.00 (Canadian) and ....same struggles. Putting mirrors, gate drills etc, no change. Desperate and impulsive, I bought a LAB DF3 without ever seeing one in real life. Online fitting tool, several emails back and forth with LAB and outfitted with the TPT shaft. $1,350.00 (Canadian including exchange, tax, shipping, duty etc) Holy !!! I now know that this will be the putter I use the rest of my life. All the mind clutter trying to find a grip, stance, elbow position etc to get a stroke to work back and through is gone. It's on rails with no effort. I just worry about line and speed and I will guarantee that after golfing a summer with all my usual friends, cost would be the only thing that keeps a bunch of them from getting a LAB. It is a cheat code and I can't believe how good it is. Now if I could read greens better:).
Wow, You need a good Eye Doctor!
Been there…
I've owned 3 deferent LAB Golf putters (DF 2.1, DF 3, and Mizz 1 Max). The DF 3 has been in my bag since they came out. I just purchased the PXG Allen. I LOVE IT. One of the main reasons I struggled with the LAB putters, is the weight. The Allen feels great, looks great and putts great. I don't really care what the revealer shows. I care more about how it feels in my hands.
Yet you bought 3 L.A.B putters? You are addicted to the honeymoon phase
I had a LAB as well and I like the Allan much better, it looks much better to look at and it never leaves the line. to me, it looks like a spider and I love the style of it
@Tylerstorey63 confidence in what you're looking down at is important! Still a big vouch for L.A.B products but I'm happy you guys are finding new stuff that you find beneficial
@@iiZAPPx yeah I still love the LAB putter but I just prefer the look of the PXG and I never thought I would ever say that about a PXG product lol I have never been a fan of there stuff.
Just a comment, L.A.B putter is awesome DF3 is in my bag. L.A.B is coming out with a new mallet that looks much more traditional. Looks fantastic might try? Until then nothing will replace my L.A.B DF3.
LAB are built to your lie angle. I feel more confident knowing my DF3 was built at 72 deg lie angle and fit for me. Can’t say the same for PXG’s Allen putter. Also, Sam Hahns video shows the Allen isn’t 100% torque free
Recently I went from PXG putter to LAB. What a difference. Sam got on an actual phone call with me when I put questions out there during the fitting process. I suck at putting and LAB made me much better. Sam rocks!
Fake review
LAB is legit. Not messiah putters but definitely not a gimmick. The multiple unsponsored tour wins support it. Most putters are great so every little improvement may be quite small. But they add up.
Guys, I actually have a “ mega mini driver”, but it is 440cc. I built a Maltby KE4 Pro driver at 44” long and added enough weight to the clubhead through the sole weight port to achieve a D3 swingweight. It works great as a “control driver”, although it is sort of like a larger version of the mini driver.
The PXG Allen is low torque, but not zero torque. I'm sure it's a great putter and will probably be a good fit for lots of golfers. The only issue that I see is that they are marketing it as "Zero Torque".
How do you know? Did you test it yourself or do you believe everything you see on the internet?
@kcroyal5249 I believe some things that I see on the internet that seem credible. And the Allen does not stay stable in the revealer, according to multiple videos.
I’m a casual golfer. The first company to release a zero torque putter for $250 (vs $475) wins…
The Allan Putter is awesome!!! so easy to hit!
I got fit for the DR3 the other day. I've never experienced anything like that in my life. It's a cheat code, incredible.
I never really got along with hybrids till I picked up the Paradym Super Hybrid. Thankfully at ⅓ the price. Instead of mini drivers, like to see some OEM release more similar hybrids to the super. Seems more practical than a mini driver
thats what 7 woods and 9 woods are for
I was amazed/thrilled/shocked to be included in the PXG Allan test through MGS. I've only been able to use it for one round so far, but it made a huge difference. I averaged 1.56 putts per hole. (My liftetime average is 2.1 pph) I had ZERO three-putts! I've never used a LAB putter, but from watching the video, I really feel like the two brands are trying to do different things. LAB wants their club to have zero rotation during the swing. PXG wants the club to rotate. Of course the club is going to act funny in the tester of the other brand. That's not what the club was designed for! They each had a different goal in mind when they designed it. I think each club has reached their desired goal.
I LIKE the swing-speed set of irons idea! It would be a fitted set, but more realistic for slow swing players like myself. 😊
clubtech for XY and just got a couple of sleeves from local PXG rep to try, spent a few days trying them out with diff clubs, then set up some data points using them against my ball and a control. Hey they are a good ball, #'s almost identical, well inside margin of error, however I only had a sleeve of each to process, They played good, almost identical to Titleist ProV / X and Maxfli X, however every now and then I'd get a flyer off the irons ( ? ) would I play them reg sure, would I buy them at $50 per doz not even maybe, I'm not going to drop my AVX for the same price point
I agree with you on the PXG ball retail price of $49 however, at $33 a dozen at the buy 2 get 1 free offer, I am going to give it a go. I look forward to your ball testing on the new PXG ball.
You won’t be disappointed, my buddy gave me a couple sleeves great feel all around , roll great on the green
DF2.1 user for many years. Why would anyone want to use a putter that has torque and is not center shafted?
Same… the df 2.1 will never leave my bag… purely based on results over my last 4 seasons
Because some of us don’t want to look like clowns playing croquet with a pool cue bridge, that’s why. I buy a lot of golf equipment and I wouldn’t play that goofy looking DF2 on a bet. I feel bad for anyone who has a bad day putting with one of those monstrosities.
Odyssey made a “toe up” putter years ago. I bought one on eBay for less than $100. It works exactly like the pxg.
Toe Up #7 in the bag.
Played Mizzys and currently in ZX7 MKII. I personally prefer my Srixon irons
I don’t know if it works for men, but a USA/europe/world tournament for women’s would be great.
I think it would be cool to have a forum member come on the pod whenever you guys are chatting about a product that the forum is getting the chance to test. Specifically someone who is actually getting that chance to test it, or has tested it!
Love pxg, play mostly pxg but….never paying that much for a pxg ball. Need to entice you in to buy
Max-Fli Tour and Tour X are the best balls.
swing speeds Gapper set is smart. AKA my dad. they should be able to re-number them so it looks like a legit set.
Yep, was thinking about my dad on that one as well...He has 4 clubs (maybe more) that all go 150 yards. He doesn't need 14 clubs...8-9 would be fine
@@GolfSpyC my dads fave club is his Tour Edge HL4- 6 iron-wood i got on Demo so i found him a 7 and 9 version. gets him down to his old 8 iron and PW he basically bumps and runs with. Been playing better with a small setup. Cant putt like he used to tho lol.
Amazon had PXG balls for 30 bucks last week. Took advantage and picked up 5 boxes after winning some cash on some football bets. One hobby paying for the other.
Yes, but there is nowhere you’re going to go and say I want to hit a five iron and a T2000 and a six iron and a T100… pretty much anywhere you go to get fit you’re hitting a six or seven iron that’s it. We are not tour players and don’t have that opportunity.
You're 100% correct....maybe that should change! Why should consumers be fit for 6-8 clubs based on the performance of a single club?
Completely agree. I love my MP223’s, but need more launch and spin in mid-long irons. Additionally, I probably could use a blade in 9-P
Yeah, 5 iron can be when the fitting becomes crucial. My ZX7 6 iron is amazing but 5 iron goes nowhere. Guess it just gives me an excuse to upgrade to ZXi5/7 combo soon haha.
Not everyone will like the same feel or same looking putter. No matter the putter, you will find it on eBay used because someone didn’t like it. You really don’t know until you take them on the putting green. Find what works best for you and don’t worry about the marketing hype or what your buddy plays.
"Srixon, we're also Endo Forged®"😂😂😂
Fitting options for PXG is significantly less than LAB. I felt like the LAB putter was fitted to me. If the PXG fits you, it is a great putter and better value for money. It would concern me if you wanted to change the lie/loft at a later date. Well worth getting a fitting for both and see which feels more suited to your setup.
I have the current ZX7s in my bag and the top line is seriously not a problem. And OMG, they are amazing irons. Why would you want to spend money on Titleist, TaylorMade or Callaway, when these are so much better and half the price for a set. No brainer.
Is there a President’s Cup equivalent in the LPGA?
I tried both, and they’re both great. PXG looks nicer and is cheaper by a couple hundred bucks, game over
I would like to try but the Labs do not fit my eye. They look too different in my opinion. I would def like to try the PXG Allen putter cause I already use mallets.
The fact that the Allan looks more like a conventional putter vs the LAB's funky looking designs doesn't seem to get much play on any of these talking heads channels
Solhiem/Ryder cup seems easy. East vs West hemisphere. North and South America vs Europe, Asia, Australia etc
Isn’t every putter company copying for the most part 😂 When every company has their own torqueless putter, you’ll then see LAB start to make some Ansers.
The Presidents Cup should be for Collegiate Players, 12 top NCAA players, or make it MIXED DOUBLES from NCAA.
RYDER CUP should stay pros only.
The real question is: Did LAB Golf copy SeeMore? They are doing lieangle balanced putters for so long now. It's nothing new to the market
Starting to split hairs a bit - which is where I think the entire "zero torque" discussion is headed, but SeeMore's calling card is an alignment system (red dot + centershaft) - this isn't the same as L.A.B.
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@@GolfSpyC I disagree - While their alignment system (aka Rifle Scope) is one of there talking points, lie angle balanced has always been an important marketing point for SeeMore.
@@michaelcmg6754 As I understand lie-angle balancing, SeeMore isn't the same...it just isn't. CG balanced perhaps, and I get that there's plenty of nuance here, but if you really understand how LAB builds putters, it's clear that lie-angle balancing isn't what SeeMore is doing
You Tubers are flocking to LAB putters. I like my EVNROLL!
LAB golf copied Evnroll. The zero was released two years ago. Their support team is the worst of any golf club manufacturer too.
AmericaS vs World
North + Central + South.
If Anything, PXG copied VOID putters. The neck looks very similar between the two
Slate Blue
I really don’t think it is a good look for LAB to be so concerned with what every other manufacturer is going to do that crowds there thing. Like you just need to be secure and confident in your product and let the results speak for themselves. Are they gonna put out a diss track for every putter that comes out that is balanced? It will never end.😂
I hear you and I hate having to do it. But in this case, it’s just blatant false advertising and capitalizing on 10 years of hard work on our part. It feels necessary to educate folks on this new space in the putter world and to advertise their putter as zero torque when it’s not even close just sucks. Not good for the consumer nor the industry. There’s been some other cometitors and if they stay in their lane and don’t make false claims, we dont make videos. Odyssey and Evnroll have had putters that perform similarly to the Allan but their marketing claims are honest. That isn’t the case here.
@@samhahn6950 the only education the people need on the false PXG advertising is that any putter that "finds home" (as the PXG video so confidently states) cannot do so in the absence of torque. It as an absolute requirement of the laws of physics for the Allan to "find home" that the lever being pulled to find home IS, in fact, TORQUE!
@@samhahn6950 Now that I think of it, a proper diss track is perhaps what golf needs. Get Kendrick Lamar in the studio to really burn it up. 😁
@@Tognar on it! lol
Maybe PXG should say that "finding home" is useful torque or at least more useful than a conventional putter? I don't know a lot about physics so perhaps that's contradictory on its face, I dunno.
Bro needs to lay off the dip....Get that hole checked out brotha😮
Funny enough, I don't chew. Never have.
Callaway is going to buy LAB eventually
What's with all the crap talk get on with the review you advertised
LAB DF3 100%!!!
Like the pig head style more than lab
5:30 is essentially the same argument for Bryson, Rahm, Phil, Ian, Westy to participate in the Ryder Cup as players or captains.
Lab are lie angle balance and pxg from what I’ve seen is a heel hang. Not really the same thing
Copy? Certainly not the looks...
They tried but it's a poor imitation
I LOVE Charley Hull. If I wasnt married,....
Copycat in the industry has been going on forever. Scotty’s look really similar to a Ping Anser
Yep, in a competitive marketplace, success will always breed inspiration from others...just as the sun rises in the east