True that it is important but that's also not straightforward nor does it change much IMO. For video, Panasonic offers a lot: pretty much all lenses are parfocal and have minimum focus breathing. Sony has the most right now but you could adapt pretty much anything on Z mount. On Z and RF mount you have native glass and a TON of (very affordable, especially used) SLR glass that can be adapted very well. Whatever gaps there still are today in the various mounts, they are quickly filling up and by end of next year, there really won't be an objective "decisive factor" in lens selection beyond subjective personal needs/preferences. Personally, I really find it very interesting what Canon has been doing: f2 standard zoom, super compact 70-200s, an 85 f2 "macro"... lots of interesting stuff. Not enough to make me switch but fun to watch.
This is one major reason why the Z mount is failing to sell well: They're adapter doesn't work properly, so one's existing F-mount glass is barely usable. Sony got a great native lens selection and Canon's adapter is a seamless interface for legacy glass.
@@PrinzMegahertz I have a supertele af-d adapted on m43 for wildlife and I did not buy Z for this reason. What’s the point if I cannot autofocus? It could have been a selling point. I also have a native m43 tele but it would have been nice to use that af-d on a Z7.
TH-cam is free; enjoy them all! Chris and Jordan are my favorite camera TH-camrs, but they're mostly gear reviews and don't bring in the audience with instructional content.
If $2500 is now midrange, $3000 will be before we know it 🥲. The R6 is over 1/4 more expensive than the others. I still consider the eos R as the canon’s midrange camera. RP - R - R6/R5
I agree. A good comparison with the A7 III is the EOS R, and the comparison with the canon r6 is he a7rIV, which is technically a pro level camera, but it’s the same price.
Depends on how long you have followed photography. Considering the 6D and D600 were introduced at 2,000 and were considered entry level the original 5D was considered mid-range
I agree.. For the midrange they should put EOS R not R6. That price alone its almost high end. And with the current price, Lumix S5 its surprisingly in 2nd place
For me Nikon is the best, from ergonomics to image quality and lens selection, it's what I am planning to buy. But all the other cameras are nice, too. I just don't think the differences are that big. I think for stills Nikon and Sony are better choices, if your main focus is video choose the Canon or Panasonic. People need to choose whatever feels best in their hands, and the budget they have. Don't choose a camera based on TH-cam hype by Squarespace advertisers.
I think Canon is a really bad buy for video shooters, unless they intend to scale up towards the C70 with their RF lenses. Although heat issues can be bypassed with an external recorder, that sets the price of the R6 at effectively over $3,500? I would rather buy an A7iii or S5 today than the R6. Can't trust them anymore after engineering it to overheat. Also, RF lenses cost way too much and I'm not paying more than $1.2k for a 24-70 zoom.
Panasonic cleans the floor in terms of full video it's not even funny but their AF system demands a focus pullman, otherwise for casual video it's the Sony or the Canon. Nikon i don't think has much competition for stills now that the banding issue has been resolved, their ISO performance is behind Sony in terms of noise but in practice the Sony cameras clean a bit too much information in the RAW files and the shadows get crazy. But i think all these cameras have become too clinical in their image quality.
I'd still go with Nikon system. The new S lenses are really good in terms of value and performance with that bigger opening lens mount. Don't need the heavy 1.2 lenses or even 1.4 lenses. Even the 24-70 f/4 S is so sharp I don't miss the f/2.8. To me best balance in price and small form factor. I can bring my full frame camera everywhere in a small bag (Peak Design Sling 5L) and not lug around my bigger DSLRs.
@@R2X2Z I absolutely love the 24-70 f4. Fantastic lens for travel, hiking etc. Great build quality and the collapsing design don’t bother me. There’s such a disconnect with some reviewers trashing it.. like Ken Wheeler.
Sony's incredible AF (especially on newer cameras) makes them a good video option for a lot of people. Panasonic has better video image quality in many ways but none of that matters if your clips aren't in focus. Combine with that the many affordable 3rd party E Mount lenses that use native Sony protocols (because Sony actually licenses them!) and the Sony ecosystem is a great choice. Definitely the best bang for the buck right now IMO.
People have been shooting sports and wildlife since the manual focus film days, they just utilised techniques and anticipation to get the shots. The cameras are all so good now it doesn't make any difference. Im a Nikon Z shooter but they should have given the Sony a few more marks for the ecosystem imo. Especially the third party options.
Some people get too stuck in the gear horserace, with Canon and Nikon now maturing into the mirror less landscape we are gonna see a lot more leapfrogging between the brands. TH-camrs (not DPReview) driving clicks for $ make things worse with GAS but we as photographers/consumers don’t need to play into it. I own the Z6II and love it but all these cameras are capable of stunning results. Use case > hype.
@@ghas4151 yeah, I totally agree. As an enthusiast, I am really satisfied with sigma 14-24-70.... tamron 70-180 and the sony 85mm f1.8. Not the top, but way more than enough for my talent/time I have to exercise my hobby.
@@Kenkichi24 most important word here is "was". They are pretty much on par right now, if not ahead in certain aspects... Sony had its chance and used it well, from now on it's going to be a lot tougher...
I’m so happy Nikon is improving so much and is this great for the price. Cameras are evolving faster than I’ve ever seen them before, and I feel like ergonomic, lenses, and other things outside of the body itself are more deciding factors now a days.
I've said it before and I repeat: give Nikon a real chance, they've been in the business for just over 100 years, their glass was developed by a Zeiss Engineer ('borrowed from Zeiss') and they have shown an acceptable improvement in only 2 years. How long did it take to Sony to make a decent mirrorless? Don't discount the future firmware updates from Nikon, that, with a dual processor, we'll be up for some surprises... Have faith Captain!
@@enricomarconi1767 The fact that Nikon responded to criticisms so fast and stuck dual processors, and dual memory cards, and massively improved the focus, as well as making the buttons for video better than the other cameras, as well as having 10 bit RAW HDMI video out (I'm not sure if they call do this?) seems like they are trying really hard, and aren't trying to be greedy and withhold technology. It's clear that they are willing to do whatever it takes. Putting in two processors was probably the fastest, easiest solution, to improve their camera, and their free firmware updates for existing models, shows a lot of respect for their customers. Oh, and their image and video quality is as good as it gets, with the best colors and contrast... They just need to make a new camera with a side articulating screen, or a factory hot shoe screen. The lack of a sideways screen is the only reason I'm having trouble ordering a Z6ii. But I really want Nikon to have my money.
@@HappyHubris Once you take into account that the Sony was an Apsc lens mount that Sony is using to try to put FF lens and sensor, while those bodies will be forgotten and replaced by multiple times during the next 5-10 years the lens won't. In the last 70-200 test just 1 week ago on Dpreview there was one clear candidate that stood out as the worst and it was the Sony 70-200 lens. Another thing to take into count is the real Fstop which should be the Tstop, the Nikon 1.8 primes are only .2 Tstop less than the Sigma 1.4 lens, for example.
The 20-60mm kit lens from Panasonic looks very interesting to me. Together with the F1.8 primes it actually can be an FF-system that is portable enough for my needs.
@@danielvilliers612 T-stop is a measure of light transmission. F stop is a measure of lens opening to iris ratio. Very different measurements. 1 is a scientific measurement, the other is a mathematical calculation. T stops only matters to videographers and filmmakers who need to match exposure between lenses and cameras. The f-stop is the actual thing that regulates your depth of field so that's more important for photographers, since it's all about the look in a slice of time. The difference in T-stop doesn't magically make the Nikon f/1.8 primes operate at f/1.6 or f/1.5. Images will be brighter, but that's about it. Exposure can always be adjusted in post for photos (anything within 2 stops over/under is easily recoverable these days), but it's harder to match footage from multiple lenses down to the T. (pun intended)
@@didriketholm6852 Is great. If the size doesn't bother you and you don't need the best AF-C, it's a top camera. Probably wouldn't have paid MSRP but they got some great promotions going on so it was a affordable way to get into high MP FF. Lens selection is decent with Sigma offering good stuff and Panasonic also starting to build great and affordable lenses like the 85mm 1.8 (their 50mm 1.4 for example is a bit expensive for my taste). All in all a really good system, nothing to complain that I didn't know beforehand (like size and AF-C)
I agree with almost everything except I would put Nikon as the best handling over R6. Overall, IMHO, Z6ii is the best for photographic purpose, while S5 is the best for video. R6 is an excellent all rounder, but pricier than most, and 20mp may not have sufficient resolutions when using 1.6x crop mode.
The S5 is so appealing to a video oriented hybrid shooter like me, but honestly... The lens options are horrible. Only 1 native prime available (I'm not paying $2k for a lame 50mm prime). I know there's more coming out, but it's been 2-3 years and the L-mount is still like a desert. Canon made like 16 lenses? in 2 years?? And Sigma glass apparently doesn't have full autofocus capabilities yet cos Panasonic refuses to open up their autofocus protocol to Sigma.
@@professionalpotato4764 not completely true. I own an S1 with 4 sigma lenses (14-24, 100-400, 35 1.2, and 24-70) all focus the same as my Panasonic lenses and have the same functionality. These are all DG DN lenses which are designed for mirrorless though. Their other older art lenses were all designed for SLR’s and still have full functionality but don’t focus as fast. They are basically the EF lens with the MC adapter permanently attached to them. Has nothing to do with Panasonic releasing protocols to sigma.
@@dansomerville Sigma shouldn‘t be reliant on Panasonic for the protocols anyways. They are both part of the the L-mount alliance, so Sigma should have full access to the technology
@@SunnySoCal well to be fair excluding lens selection all the other cameras in the video do beat out a7iii. The only thing going for it is the autofocus and it's more "affordable" because its older
@@siming_photo3983 Lowlight performance and dynamic range of the Sony is better than the Canon. So I believe that it should be ahead of it in the Image quality section. Still a very good performance for a 3 years old camera.
@@evgenykyselgov9533 I was a little disappointed in the Z6, not willing to buy one, however I may get the 6II... no more outrageous xqd cards!! I just hope Tamron comes out with their Z mounts, that would be a game changer!! 🤞🤞
@@coltoncyr2283 It depends of your needs. I never though I'd buy even more expensive SD card not to mention XQD however as I consider making more videos I said to myself "fuck it" and bought 265 GB CFexpress and it's fucking mind blowing! Better be as future proof as possible. The speeds are ridiculous, almost no chance of malfunction and life time warranty. SD will be in the past very soon, hah
@@coltoncyr2283 You can use Tamron F mount lenses via FTZ, that is almost free in kits now. www.tamron.eu/service/compatibility-nikon-z-and-canon-eos-r/
@@dicekolev5360 my local Photo shop has a deal $2050 for body ftz and 128gb cf card.. I'm fighting in my mind to bite the bullet, I'm just an enthusiast so that's a good chunk of money, 🤔 but I've been saving for a while, sold my old lenses and I have $1000 in cash right now. Just have to convince the wife haha
I own the panasonic S5 and I'm very happy with it. The feature set it provides is astonishing. The only drawback is the video AF, for photos it's completely fine, but it has definitely improved over the GH5, the AF on the m4/3's cameras was really difficult to say the least. The S5 is much more reliable.
Is S5 autofocus something I will struggle with if I take photos through the display (live view) or are the limitations only there when you shoot video? Asking because I'm a dSLR user and I remember whenever I switched to Liveview the lens focus would go crazy
As a stills shooter, I find the S5 AF more than adequate for most shooting. Only tracking quickly moving subjects is a bit of an issue. It's not a sports camera, but for still or slower-moving subjects it's great. It's not fair to say the S5 has bad AF. Even for video shooting it's better than some. For stills, it's very, very good. Read plenty of reviews.
@@skfineshriber So unless someone was to shoot fast moving stuff it would literally not be noticable that AF could be better? Thank you, that means a lot to me. I shoot landscape, portraits and sky objects, so that should be a non issue...
EOS R is more of an enthusiast full-frame camera than the R6 in my opinion, which is considerably more expensive than the competition. It's $715 more than the Z6II here in Ireland, $1000 more than the S5 and A7III. Great video as always guys, all these cameras can deliver fantastic results.
Even if Sony releases an A7IV I’ll still be sticking to the A7III. It’s hard to ignore just how relevant it still is to this day. All the other manufacturers have been trying like crazy to catch up to their autofocus. While I’m still mostly a micro four thirds user, my Sony A7III is a fine addition to my kit and will continue to use it for many more years to come.
I have recently got an amazing deal with gx80 as micro 4/3 feature packed camera (aps-c with similar features cost 2x more) and I am really curious about your experience owning both m4/3 and FF. I feel like my m4/3 is good enough for 90% of my needs but the Internet with all those trends makes me think twice about getting a larger sensor system in the future. So could you tell more or less how do you use your cameras and if m4/3 is good enough for your needs or that FF camera made a huge difference in your photography. I know it's all about photos and not gear, but still curious to know what you think :D
I really like the images on the Z6 ii in both stills and videos. I know it's subjective but I like the colors it produces compared to my a7iii. I had a GH5 and in my opinion it's on par with the Nikon images. Maybe Panasonic slightly better. There's just something about the colors of the a7iii that when you are editing you have to make more adjustments to get it to look great color wise. The raw stills seem to have a magenta color that is kinda hard for me to adjust. Maybe the newer Sonys are better. With Jordan's video category I think the z6 ii should rank higher than the a7iii since the Nikon doesn't have a 4k 30p crop and the IBIS is better. It also has that photo/video dial that is very useful. Plus in future firmware it will support 4k 60p and it is also upgradable to record Raw video. The advantage that the a7iii though is that it can do internal sLog.
Interesting - i personally don’t like the articulating screen. I don’t film myself and I like the quick action to flip up the screen, instead of having to flip it outwards and then rotate it. I just wish the Nikon could flip up while on vertical orientation too like the Fuji XT3 I believe
With current pricing the A7 III might still be a great deal. Where I live with cashback deals the Sony is 600€ cheaper than the Nikon Z6 II and roughly 1000€ cheaper than Eos R6.
@@chillipompom5263 Not worth getting imo. The autofocus is too poor, probably even worse than Panasonic. Sony only got good with autofocus from their gen3 models.
@M Tech too high? There were so many deals on a7III yesterday on black friday, it's crazy. At least in Europe. You could get a7III with a battery grip for 1400 Euro, or in combo with the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 for 1930 Euro. That's entry level full frame, or, to be honest, more like top level of APSC price range. Crazy good prices, something you will not see for Z6II, S5, or R6 anytime soon.
@M Tech I've just written, that Z5 is pricier in EU. Sony really doesn't have a very budget FF, that's true. But what the competition has, i would not buy that either...
I really wanted to buy the XT-4 but it was even more expensive than the Z6II. As much as I love Fuji the Z6II seems like the better choice bc of full frame sensor and functions
This is fully reasonable, but in the long run, this is not "good enough" for Nikon. If only guys which already have Nikon F lenses buy Nikon Z, then the Pentax effect kicks in: The user community is aging, because no new system camera users find their way to Nikon, only previous Nikon DSLR owners stay with Nikon. In the long run, this means, the market share is declining, and that kicks off a vicious circle (market share declines > even less chances for 3rd party lens support > even less new users decide to go for Nikon > market share declines further > even less chances for 3rd party lens support > etc ... > ends up like Pentax )
Z6ii is supposed to have a 4K/60 update. You mentioned some features coming in future with other cameras thought this should have been mentioned instead of it doesn’t do it.
I recently jumped into full frame a bit below this price point and ended up going with none of these: I nabbed a lightly used A7RIII. 42MP is great, and I just couldn't say no to the affordable Sony lens ecosystem. Spending thousands of dollars less to build out a lens kit is huge for a mere enthusiast. The Z6ii was heavily considered, but third party Z glass isn't yet there (and might never be there if Z sales don't pick up). The R6 is just out of my price range for 20MP. And L mount is undercooked right now. Overall, you can't go *wrong* with any of these options, and it's amazing how full frame has gotten more affordable and polished in just a few years.
@@lilnape2604 The big difference is that investing in Sony is investing in an outdated mount that was designed for apsc from the start. The last Dpreview 70-200 2.8 test was testimony of the that. The Sony was a stand out in this test. And not about being good, but the contrary. When you see the difference between Z lens and F mount Nikon lens, you can clearly see the advantage of what a bigger lens mount brings.
@@danielvilliers612 ehhh that Sony 70-200 is quite old. The Sony mount hasn’t stopped sigma/tamrom from releasing spectacular lenses and Sony’s recent 135, 20 and 12-24 are both as good as anything out. I say that with having no investment in Sony. I have a Z6ii.
So far, you are the only photography channel I follow...unbiased, fact-based and yet super interesting reviews...Keep up the amazing work. you deserve more subscribers.
everyone JAZZING about 4k 60....been doing that for 3 years on my gh5. Man that S1H video be pretty Jordan. they just did big firmware for S cameras....I saw the AF on S5 not that much better, a bit but still problem not solved, but tell us what the firmware did for the other S cameras, like the S1H you so love to shoot. I read, rumors, Panasonic is working on a Lidar type AF and a new sensor for a gh6 or similar release. well.................if they lifted the 30 min record limit on the S5, and yes the Panasonic colors are delicious, and they could further improve AF? I'd buy one. Merry Xmas
Love the channel but this comparison was not fair canon is not priced as a midrange yet here it is... Its like this would you preferer any camera besides the canon and $1000 in your back pocket or the canon and a hole in your pocket?
Sony A7III with kitlens is priced 1800 euro at the moment and that is 300-1000 euro cheaper than the other camera's in comparison. You get double the size of battery life and many lens options. For someone on a budget or someone that is familiar with the Sony ecosystem, the A7III can be perfect. Rumors say A7IV will release mid 2021
it's a really fair and balanced comparison video. Not an easy job at all to compare 4 really good cameras, but you guys really did a great job! Agreed other guys comment that this channel should have a lot more subscribers.
You forgot to mention lens selection for each mount. Seems Sony crush them all with native and 3rd party glass. Also it's quite funny how 2years+ old camera is on par with newest cameras from other companies. And in 3-6 months they all will be crushed by A7IV. Not a Sony fanboy I wish all of then are much better to have better competition. It's like other 3 just trying.
The price different in Australia for these is huge, looking right now, best I can find the R6 for is $3600, Z6 II for $3400 while the A7 III is $2300 and S5 $2700. I'm looking at jumping back in after a long hiatus and as the body isn't as important as the lenses, I'm definitely looking at the cheaper two a lot closer, I could pick up the A7 III plus a decent lens for the cost of the R6
I appreciate not being bombarded with ads. I finally subscribed to show my appreciation for all the hard work you do. Btw you have dust on your A73 sensor (top left corner) See it in the af test at the end..
Great video as always, but I think you should also consider the value factor. Here in Canada the A7III is $2299 body only, while the Canon R6 is $3500. I think that makes the A7III the winner on a value basis.
Excellent comparison as always guys! I think I would be happy having either one of these as they all seem like very capable devices! Good times to buy a new camera :D
Another honest review. Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth. As far as I'm concerned, they can keep their fully articulating screen because when the image is off to the side I find it difficult trying to keep the camera level, it takes too long and I miss shots. I understand it's a major issue to all the vloggers out there and is probably why youtubers promote it so much, that and two card slots. I have had a camera fail but never a card and if you attempt to shoot something important like a wedding then you are out of your mind to use only one camera. Like most photographers I know, we don't use these types of cameras primarily for video, sports, or (gasp) selfies. I have a Z7 with it's awesome image quality, and an E-M1 II for casual stuff when I want to travel lighter One has a tilt screen, the other is fully articulating, which for me isn't a game changer because 95% of the time I use the viewfinder. With all this marketing going on, D750's are still my event cameras, I call them my mules, nothing flashy but do the job extremely well. BTW, if someone cannot capture a quality image with any of those great cameras in your review, then perhaps it's time to do something else. Maybe take up needlepoint?
How do you shoot low angle portrait shots though? I hate tilt screens with a passion. I don't want to lie down on the ground just to get a shot. With tilt screens all I'm doing is spray and pray. Shoot 100 shots and pick maybe 10?
We love to categorize and list things, but truth be told, all of these tools are fantastic and make our jobs / hobbies easier and more of a joy. Great video as always.
Hi Jordan, great video as always! Has Canon confirmed that C-Log3 is coming to the R6? I believe it is only the R5 officially confirmed to be receiving this.
Just got a like new panasonic lumix s5. I'd argue it's actually a great camera for stills, when you compare the features it has. 6k/4k photos, post focus mode pixel shift resolution which I believe is still not on a single of the other cameras. Granted the fps isn't the best and the evf is slightly outdated when compared to two of the rivals, but for most forms of daily photography I'd probably pick this over everything else
Looking forward to the Z6II review. I loved the Z6...but it made me a little crazy as a fully manual video shooter that you couldn't have zebras and peaking on at the same time. Crazy. Do you know if Nikon has corrected this? Also, does the reversal of the MF also work with older Nikon lenses with F mount adapter? Enquiring minds want to know.
for photography it is hard to beat the Nikon's DR and true color, things that Really saves time in post and printing. Also no matter which Z camera you choose, the controls layout and solid Nikon handling are identical across all bodies, very important when you mix it up in event type photography
You guys are the best stand-up routine amongst TH-cam digicam reviewers😉. With an added bonus of being very informative. I’m somewhat surprised the Panasonic held its own so well in this group; weren’t they a micro-4/3ds camera brand? That seems like a pretty good value; and, since I’m not a sports photographer, I could probably live with its autofocus tracking.
I love all your review, no bias bs like many other channel. Even if you both have you favorite you don't let it interfer with the review. Good you job you deserve much more than the others.
I would choose the Nikon Z6 1. Generation. Fantastic price excellent for Wildlife (special BIF) and the best ergonomics. For video I would take the S5.
@@ahmonon4352 As a Z6 owner I have to agree on that. Though there are a couple of tweaks you can do to the AF to make it somehow useable, like disabling live setting. But it’s still not really a pleasure.
Be interesting to see what the new sony is like - 2 years is a loooonnng time for sony and for it to still be competitive speaks volumes as to how far ahead they were
An important consideration, ignored, was build quality/weather sealing/support, with far behind the other 3. Canon is in 3rd place, well below their traditional build or pro cameras, higher-end enthusiast cameras like the 5D series. The S1 Panasonics are very good in materials and sealing but the S5 is built for a price point and lower in build level, to go along with the lower price. Nikon Z surely takes top spot in materials, build, sealing, and overall a more rugged camera. Personally, I prefer the flip screen instead of a fully articulate screen because it is far more rugged and I no interest in lower reliability to accommodate selfies since I use my cameras for professional and hobby photography. Cell phones are better for selfies than any of these cameras. The straight of of camera images are, to my taste just better in color and detail. Since I can't remember the last time I had a out of focus image in my commercial work, the importance of Eye-AF is stressed way too much, possibly by TouTube influencers who needed some faster focus indicator box movement on the Sony as the only feature that Sony had for bragging rights. The ironic fact is that the screen indicator tracking is faster than the Z camera but the actually in-focus images are more on the Nikon than Sony. It was explained by a friend who had both, by saying the focus tracking was faster on theSony but he gets more keepers with his Z6 possibly because the Sony detection and focus action are not as closely aligned, as a result when using focus peaking, few Sony users can rely on the indication on the monitor actually representing focus accuracy. Few Sony users use focus peaking as a result. A big plus for the Z mount is lower cost lenses with better sharpness corner to corner, is stellar with the S lenses. Every S lenses, the native lenses of the Z mount, is superior optically to the more expensive pro-level F mount lenses. And the zooms like the 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 are the best zooms made, but competitive in price or lower than the F mount. Sony lenses are more expensive but, due to the tiny mount, have a lot of fall-off in the corners. The Canon RF lenses are very good but very expensive. Having the largest diameter flange and shortest flange to sensor distance it means Nikon can use more adapted lenses than any other brand. With the adaptor for that mount, any lens can be used. These cameras are too expensive to risk the lack of weather sealing that limits use of the Sony in variable weather or dusty conditions.
All these cameras are sufficiently good that the choice does come down to our individual subjective preferences. For me, I love the Panasonic GH/S way of doing things. For me, anamorphic support, stop motion support, High res mode, 4K/6K Photo, 10 bit video, and touch screen implementation, make the S5 a standout camera, with the Sony in 2nd place purely because I have a collection of e-mount lenses. Canon next,also due to lenses, and Nikon a distrant last because of the rear monitor.
I think, for many people decision factor is neither the touch screen nor the menu system, but the native lens selection, and the price performance ratio of key lenses. I chose Sony, first of all because I could buy the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 zoom for 600 Eur. This is something (good f2.8 standard zoom for cheap) which none of the competitors have. On top, the body itself was 1400 Eur, being cheapest of all 4 reviewed bodies. Still beating the Nikon and the Canon in sensor sensitivity, the Nikon and the Panasonic in Autofocus, and all of them in battery life. We can argue about it until 2022, this is a highly subjective topic who is preferring which spec, but at the end it's all about Autofocus, sensor performance, and affordable still good lenses. Currently, price/performance of the body, or the price/performance of the Sony-Tamron combo is really unbeatable for every hobbyist out there. In my opinion. It is weird to watch a camera comparison not taking about the lenses at all. Something, which you need to take a photo...
You guys are very teaching when you do these videos together. I hope you also teach photography in general and video in general. You guys are fantastic!!!
Some like a fully articulated screen, an AF that can track running Jordans, etc. I don’t need neither of them. I’m content with a tilting screen and the AF of most of the candidates is good enough for me. I miss an image quality comparison, dynamic range, low light performance and the sorts, as that matters to me.
Then you should get the Z 6 or 7 depending on your need. The Nikon Z glass is way above of what I was used to from Sony. Dynamic range is about the same as Sony. Canon has a good low light autofocus, but the image on the end is better with a Z6
For how cheap the Panasonic S1 can be had for used I would definitely recommend it over the S5 for those who don't mind a heavier body. Built like a tank with a stunning EVF and great ergonomics. Absolutely love mine. Don't really understand why the R6 gets to be here but the S1 does not, as they are the same retail price.
I'm honestly considering between the S1 and A7iii. I'm a video oriented hybrid shooter, so the Panasonic naturally appeals greatly. However the lens options are severely limited right now. Do you think a 24-105 f/4 is enough for most general paid jobs? Or should I get the body alone with a Sigma 24-70? The only reason I would be considering the A7iii in 2020 is I know that the A7iv will come with 10 bit, and good autofocus (which I do need for photos). And hopefully I can build a decent lens kit by the time the A7iv is released. What's your take? S1+ 24-105? Or A7iii with Sigma 24-70? That's pretty much all I can afford right now. I shoot stuff for fitness, interviews, events etc.
@@professionalpotato4764 I use the S1 and have the 24-105 and so far it hasn't let me down. With the new update coming sometimes next year, the video recording options will be waaaay above the A7III. Wonder if they will update the S1h as well since they would be pretty close to each other then
@@luisneumannp2748 That's really good to know. Yeah, the Panasonic videos are a complete different game compared to the A7iii. I really hope the new primes come out soon.
@@professionalpotato4764 I use the 24-105 primarily for my event work and it has worked very well for me especially with the incredible IBIS and viewfinder. Would push to 12800 iso and it would still work well. I do a lot of interviews/events, so the 10-bit recording with no time limit was one of the main reasons I bought into the system. No other camera in this price range has that feature. Excited for the cheap primes as well, but for now the 24-105 and 50mm 1.4 suit me well. I really would not buy into the A7III at this point do to the viewfinder and record limitations. I don't find the the AF limiting for photos, but that is primarily because I do not do sports or fast action. If you do often take photos with fast movement I would not recommend the system at this time.
Deciding between Nikon and Canon for good image quality and AF, and I think faster and more grippy AF plays a more crucial role in my work. Surprised it came on top of Sony, so there's really no disadvantages to not considering Sony cameras at this price point.
Great review as always with you guys. I just wish when comparing cameras such as these that you also include something like the Fuji x-T4. I know its not a full frame sensor but I would love to see how it compares especially on image quality., given it has a similar sensor resolution. Many thanks again. Hope you’re feeling better Chris. 👍
I was one of the people complaining about the R6's 20MP, then I bought one...with a good lens (I've been using the RF 35 1.8) it still has amazing resolving power and is definitely up to task.
Thanks for a nice video again. I would be great to see how an top APS-C camera like the Fuji X-T4 compares to these mid rang FF's. It's a personal interest because I'm in for an upgrade for my X-T2. Unfortunately the eco-system of the new Z and RF systems are way more expensive which bothers me for a switch to a FF mirrorless camera of Nikon or Canon. I think a D850 or D780 with good lenses offers me similar IQ (or better?)
For a midrange camera, ecosystem plays a huge role, including cheap and good glass. Would be a good idea to include it as an additional category :) I personally am still on a7 ii and saving for an a7 iii. Menus and better screens are nice to have, but ultimately it comes down to price, image quality and AF for me.
The Sony systems have the most compact full frame primes and zooms which makes their cameras enticing but just horrible IBIS, nasty rolling shutter and stuff like that just ruins the experience, but then again, Canon is way pricier, has heaviest glass of all systems out there, HORRIFIC rolling shutter issues, the S5 is just heavy as a brick and got worst AF system out there among full frame, we have to go back to 2013 to find a worse AF system LOL. Its obnoxious having to buy a camera and come with compromises, what a mess.
@@SMGJohn I totally agree with you. What camera do you use now? I want to buy a mirrorless camera for the first time, but I am still thinking about what to buy. I'm going to take videos rather than taking pictures.
@@odo_until_2022 For videos there really is just Panasonic GH5, GH6 and S5 that do it well. Their AF systems are, lets just put it this way, if you do not tell it what to lock focus on, or what to focus on, their AF systems have trouble figuring it out on their own, but if you manually tell it what to do, it does it well enough. Right now I still use my Samsung NX1 from 2014 and I recently bought a Panasonic S5 for my private use, at my job I have used various Canon systems and even Sony FX3 which is basically Sony A7sIII internally. The best hybrid camera is hands down Panasonic S5, AF is pretty mediocre, but price, feature, weight, price of glass, nothing comes close to it, nothing at all. Its also a very easy camera to work with, its got the best IBIS of all full frame cameras, its got very beautiful colour profiles if LOG is not your thing. It also goes on sale a lot which makes it even cheaper. Fujifilms new camera X-H2s is also pretty good, but it costs a lot like as much as a new A7IV, its also got worse AF than Panasonic somehow.
@@odo_until_2022 If S5 is in your budget it is good video camera, make sure too watch many video on S5 how to configure and adjust auto focus for best experience. For lenses, 20-60mm is very good lens, lightweight and very sharp. For third party if you want fast lens, Sigma 28-70mm F2.8 DG DN Contemporary. It is compact, fast and just as good for video as ART lens, Panasonic Pro lenses are very heavy, the 24-105mm is also good lens from Panasonic, but very pricy.
isn't it funny when you see a camera like the sony a7 iii being basically garbage after 2 years? yet the D750, d800e.. even the d7200 or the D3s ffs are super cameras to have even after 12-8 years.
I can see the a7iv taking first place in every category almost. And then it will be ahead of the competition for a couple of years until the replacement of the eos and the z cameras that just came out.
I hope that Sony really improves the a7iv, but at the moment I really doubt it. Canon and Nikon have much better ergonomics and camera body. Also the lenses are better, as they are newer. Seems that Sony has lost much of the advantage 🧐
Every Saturday morning I wake up to see if you guys have a new video. You never let me down! I’d give the second place to Nikon. What a shame Canon R6 has only a 20 mpg sensor for that price. If they’re going to release a new model with higher resolution I wonder what video features they’re going to subtract from that camera.
As always love your videos. Thank you for a great review. I am a Canon shooter and currently own EOS R, thinking of adding R6 and using it as my main camera for events and weddings. Love the amazing autofocus and face tracking
Great video guys. Nobody is putting the Z6 II against the canon Eos R, why would that be? If you look at price they are more or less the same. Would like to see that one especially for photography because I’m in doubt if I should get the Nikon z6 II or the canon Eos R :-)
I’ve gone for the Z6 II after strongly considering both cameras. The ergonomics just felt better to me in my hands and the Z6 II also felt more “solid”. I didn’t like the fact the the on/off switch was on the left side on the Canon and personally find the fully articulating display awkward to use as a stills photographer. There are pros and cons to both and you’ll have to decide what’s more important to you. Both are excellent cameras in most regards.
@@ghas4151 Hi, thanks for responding 👍 After testing both of them I’m also leaning towards the Nikon to be honest, I think it’s also a little bit more future proof. Always nice to hear other people’s opinion as well
They’re all so good that the ecosystem becomes a decisive factor
True that it is important but that's also not straightforward nor does it change much IMO. For video, Panasonic offers a lot: pretty much all lenses are parfocal and have minimum focus breathing. Sony has the most right now but you could adapt pretty much anything on Z mount. On Z and RF mount you have native glass and a TON of (very affordable, especially used) SLR glass that can be adapted very well. Whatever gaps there still are today in the various mounts, they are quickly filling up and by end of next year, there really won't be an objective "decisive factor" in lens selection beyond subjective personal needs/preferences.
Personally, I really find it very interesting what Canon has been doing: f2 standard zoom, super compact 70-200s, an 85 f2 "macro"... lots of interesting stuff. Not enough to make me switch but fun to watch.
This is one major reason why the Z mount is failing to sell well: They're adapter doesn't work properly, so one's existing F-mount glass is barely usable. Sony got a great native lens selection and Canon's adapter is a seamless interface for legacy glass.
@@youknowwho9247 the adapter works great! What are you talking about?!
AF-D lenses
@@PrinzMegahertz I have a supertele af-d adapted on m43 for wildlife and I did not buy Z for this reason. What’s the point if I cannot autofocus? It could have been a selling point. I also have a native m43 tele but it would have been nice to use that af-d on a Z7.
These two guys deserve more subscribers than the Northrups. I don't understand.
No one understands American camera bloggers it's weird, blowhard narcissism.
It is impossible to understand!
Why compare? Just enjoy what you enjoy.
Because you need to have an open mouth in the thumbnails, that's what Google's algorithm likes to push.
TH-cam is free; enjoy them all!
Chris and Jordan are my favorite camera TH-camrs, but they're mostly gear reviews and don't bring in the audience with instructional content.
If $2500 is now midrange, $3000 will be before we know it 🥲. The R6 is over 1/4 more expensive than the others. I still consider the eos R as the canon’s midrange camera. RP - R - R6/R5
I agree. A good comparison with the A7 III is the EOS R, and the comparison with the canon r6 is he a7rIV, which is technically a pro level camera, but it’s the same price.
Depends on how long you have followed photography. Considering the 6D and D600 were introduced at 2,000 and were considered entry level the original 5D was considered mid-range
The new sony a7IV will be at the same price to the R6. These cameras are like high-midrange
Lumix s5 is like entry-midrange in photo and pro in video
I agree.. For the midrange they should put EOS R not R6. That price alone its almost high end. And with the current price, Lumix S5 its surprisingly in 2nd place
Dawg I got my s5 for 1350$ we aight.
For me Nikon is the best, from ergonomics to image quality and lens selection, it's what I am planning to buy. But all the other cameras are nice, too. I just don't think the differences are that big. I think for stills Nikon and Sony are better choices, if your main focus is video choose the Canon or Panasonic.
People need to choose whatever feels best in their hands, and the budget they have. Don't choose a camera based on TH-cam hype by Squarespace advertisers.
I think Canon is a really bad buy for video shooters, unless they intend to scale up towards the C70 with their RF lenses. Although heat issues can be bypassed with an external recorder, that sets the price of the R6 at effectively over $3,500? I would rather buy an A7iii or S5 today than the R6. Can't trust them anymore after engineering it to overheat. Also, RF lenses cost way too much and I'm not paying more than $1.2k for a 24-70 zoom.
Panasonic cleans the floor in terms of full video it's not even funny but their AF system demands a focus pullman, otherwise for casual video it's the Sony or the Canon.
Nikon i don't think has much competition for stills now that the banding issue has been resolved, their ISO performance is behind Sony in terms of noise but in practice the Sony cameras clean a bit too much information in the RAW files and the shadows get crazy. But i think all these cameras have become too clinical in their image quality.
I'd still go with Nikon system. The new S lenses are really good in terms of value and performance with that bigger opening lens mount. Don't need the heavy 1.2 lenses or even 1.4 lenses. Even the 24-70 f/4 S is so sharp I don't miss the f/2.8. To me best balance in price and small form factor. I can bring my full frame camera everywhere in a small bag (Peak Design Sling 5L) and not lug around my bigger DSLRs.
@@R2X2Z I absolutely love the 24-70 f4. Fantastic lens for travel, hiking etc. Great build quality and the collapsing design don’t bother me. There’s such a disconnect with some reviewers trashing it.. like Ken Wheeler.
Sony's incredible AF (especially on newer cameras) makes them a good video option for a lot of people. Panasonic has better video image quality in many ways but none of that matters if your clips aren't in focus.
Combine with that the many affordable 3rd party E Mount lenses that use native Sony protocols (because Sony actually licenses them!) and the Sony ecosystem is a great choice. Definitely the best bang for the buck right now IMO.
DPReview TV is undoubtedly the channel I trust more, even when my lovely A7III gets the last place...
The a7 IV should bring them up to speed.
People have been shooting sports and wildlife since the manual focus film days, they just utilised techniques and anticipation to get the shots. The cameras are all so good now it doesn't make any difference. Im a Nikon Z shooter but they should have given the Sony a few more marks for the ecosystem imo. Especially the third party options.
Some people get too stuck in the gear horserace, with Canon and Nikon now maturing into the mirror less landscape we are gonna see a lot more leapfrogging between the brands. TH-camrs (not DPReview) driving clicks for $ make things worse with GAS but we as photographers/consumers don’t need to play into it.
I own the Z6II and love it but all these cameras are capable of stunning results. Use case > hype.
@@AlanHoey86 that’s why it’s always wise to buy into a system for the lenses.
@@ghas4151 yeah, I totally agree. As an enthusiast, I am really satisfied with sigma 14-24-70.... tamron 70-180 and the sony 85mm f1.8. Not the top, but way more than enough for my talent/time I have to exercise my hobby.
The real winner is the user. All the cameras are great, it's just down to personal preference, lens selection and how much you've budgeted.
Keep in mind that Sony was years ahead when they introduced mirrorless cameras. Canon is catching up to them and so as Nikon (meh)
@@Kenkichi24 most important word here is "was".
They are pretty much on par right now, if not ahead in certain aspects...
Sony had its chance and used it well, from now on it's going to be a lot tougher...
@@Ashmodai I totally agree. I'm still shocked that the new Sony A1 doesnt have an articulate screen just like Sony A7S III.
Technically not, mid range used to be 2000 dollars, now they are pushing almost 3k dollars, how is that good for users?????
I’m so happy Nikon is improving so much and is this great for the price. Cameras are evolving faster than I’ve ever seen them before, and I feel like ergonomic, lenses, and other things outside of the body itself are more deciding factors now a days.
I've said it before and I repeat: give Nikon a real chance, they've been in the business for just over 100 years, their glass was developed by a Zeiss Engineer ('borrowed from Zeiss') and they have shown an acceptable improvement in only 2 years. How long did it take to Sony to make a decent mirrorless? Don't discount the future firmware updates from Nikon, that, with a dual processor, we'll be up for some surprises... Have faith Captain!
The Z lenses would deserve more than just a mention, they are phenomenal!
@@gabrielh7718 they should be with such a flange distance and a 55 mm diameter! Way better than Sony!
@@enricomarconi1767 The fact that Nikon responded to criticisms so fast and stuck dual processors, and dual memory cards, and massively improved the focus, as well as making the buttons for video better than the other cameras, as well as having 10 bit RAW HDMI video out (I'm not sure if they call do this?) seems like they are trying really hard, and aren't trying to be greedy and withhold technology. It's clear that they are willing to do whatever it takes. Putting in two processors was probably the fastest, easiest solution, to improve their camera, and their free firmware updates for existing models, shows a lot of respect for their customers. Oh, and their image and video quality is as good as it gets, with the best colors and contrast... They just need to make a new camera with a side articulating screen, or a factory hot shoe screen. The lack of a sideways screen is the only reason I'm having trouble ordering a Z6ii. But I really want Nikon to have my money.
I’ve had TWO Nikon D780s break on me this year… Not a z6ii, but I’m switching to something else.
I really like z6 II ! awesome screen,better photography experience
Amazing feel, imagine if they produce a next-level pro version of that wiith super good autofocus for photography and video... booom..!!
@@magnuseriksson8081 They Will, not "imagine if..." I would say "Imagine when"
wished the lenses were compared, I think that the most important factor since all these cameras are already pretty great
Yeah once you compare the expensive Z and RF glass to the Tamron and Sigma stuff they end up in a vastly different price class.
Sony is miles ahead here with lots of great value tamron and samyang options.
@@HappyHubris Once you take into account that the Sony was an Apsc lens mount that Sony is using to try to put FF lens and sensor, while those bodies will be forgotten and replaced by multiple times during the next 5-10 years the lens won't. In the last 70-200 test just 1 week ago on Dpreview there was one clear candidate that stood out as the worst and it was the Sony 70-200 lens. Another thing to take into count is the real Fstop which should be the Tstop, the Nikon 1.8 primes are only .2 Tstop less than the Sigma 1.4 lens, for example.
The 20-60mm kit lens from Panasonic looks very interesting to me. Together with the F1.8 primes it actually can be an FF-system that is portable enough for my needs.
@@danielvilliers612 T-stop is a measure of light transmission. F stop is a measure of lens opening to iris ratio. Very different measurements. 1 is a scientific measurement, the other is a mathematical calculation.
T stops only matters to videographers and filmmakers who need to match exposure between lenses and cameras. The f-stop is the actual thing that regulates your depth of field so that's more important for photographers, since it's all about the look in a slice of time. The difference in T-stop doesn't magically make the Nikon f/1.8 primes operate at f/1.6 or f/1.5. Images will be brighter, but that's about it.
Exposure can always be adjusted in post for photos (anything within 2 stops over/under is easily recoverable these days), but it's harder to match footage from multiple lenses down to the T. (pun intended)
I'm not even sure why I'm watching this because I got the S1R , but dpreview videos are just really good
Are you happy with the s1R? I’m very close to jumping into a new system and getting the S5
@@didriketholm6852 Is great. If the size doesn't bother you and you don't need the best AF-C, it's a top camera. Probably wouldn't have paid MSRP but they got some great promotions going on so it was a affordable way to get into high MP FF. Lens selection is decent with Sigma offering good stuff and Panasonic also starting to build great and affordable lenses like the 85mm 1.8 (their 50mm 1.4 for example is a bit expensive for my taste). All in all a really good system, nothing to complain that I didn't know beforehand (like size and AF-C)
I have this camera too, fantastic.. I use it in conjunction with lecia’s. Love sharing the lenses across l mount bodies.
I agree with almost everything except I would put Nikon as the best handling over R6.
Overall, IMHO, Z6ii is the best for photographic purpose, while S5 is the best for video. R6 is an excellent all rounder, but pricier than most, and 20mp may not have sufficient resolutions when using 1.6x crop mode.
Yes
The S5 is so appealing to a video oriented hybrid shooter like me, but honestly... The lens options are horrible. Only 1 native prime available (I'm not paying $2k for a lame 50mm prime). I know there's more coming out, but it's been 2-3 years and the L-mount is still like a desert. Canon made like 16 lenses? in 2 years??
And Sigma glass apparently doesn't have full autofocus capabilities yet cos Panasonic refuses to open up their autofocus protocol to Sigma.
@@professionalpotato4764 not completely true. I own an S1 with 4 sigma lenses (14-24, 100-400, 35 1.2, and 24-70) all focus the same as my Panasonic lenses and have the same functionality. These are all DG DN lenses which are designed for mirrorless though. Their other older art lenses were all designed for SLR’s and still have full functionality but don’t focus as fast. They are basically the EF lens with the MC adapter permanently attached to them. Has nothing to do with Panasonic releasing protocols to sigma.
@@dansomerville Sigma shouldn‘t be reliant on Panasonic for the protocols
anyways. They are both part of the the L-mount alliance, so Sigma should have full access to the technology
@@romanpul I agree, I never said they did.
I love how you indirectly respond to negative comments with humour. “1st place goes to Canon cause clearly they are paying us” 😂 Keep it up!
Nikon Z6 ii all the way for me.
I will take one too!
2 years being considered a long time freaks me out lol
in the tech world 2 years is not even that old these guys are funny 😅
Keep in mind that since the A7III came out, 2 generations of Canon and Nikon cameras have come out. Not 1 but 2!
@@SunnySoCal well to be fair excluding lens selection all the other cameras in the video do beat out a7iii. The only thing going for it is the autofocus and it's more "affordable" because its older
I just bought a 2017 body (A7RIII). Sony's new autofocus is amazing, but there's something to be said for "good enough with a veey detailed sensor."
@@siming_photo3983 Lowlight performance and dynamic range of the Sony is better than the Canon. So I believe that it should be ahead of it in the Image quality section.
Still a very good performance for a 3 years old camera.
I am getting Z6II soon
Good choice, it's a very nice camera
@@evgenykyselgov9533 I was a little disappointed in the Z6, not willing to buy one, however I may get the 6II... no more outrageous xqd cards!! I just hope Tamron comes out with their Z mounts, that would be a game changer!! 🤞🤞
@@coltoncyr2283 It depends of your needs. I never though I'd buy even more expensive SD card not to mention XQD however as I consider making more videos I said to myself "fuck it" and bought 265 GB CFexpress and it's fucking mind blowing! Better be as future proof as possible. The speeds are ridiculous, almost no chance of malfunction and life time warranty. SD will be in the past very soon, hah
@@coltoncyr2283 You can use Tamron F mount lenses via FTZ, that is almost free in kits now.
www.tamron.eu/service/compatibility-nikon-z-and-canon-eos-r/
@@dicekolev5360 my local Photo shop has a deal $2050 for body ftz and 128gb cf card.. I'm fighting in my mind to bite the bullet, I'm just an enthusiast so that's a good chunk of money, 🤔 but I've been saving for a while, sold my old lenses and I have $1000 in cash right now. Just have to convince the wife haha
I own the panasonic S5 and I'm very happy with it. The feature set it provides is astonishing. The only drawback is the video AF, for photos it's completely fine, but it has definitely improved over the GH5, the AF on the m4/3's cameras was really difficult to say the least. The S5 is much more reliable.
Thanks, that's good to know!
Is S5 autofocus something I will struggle with if I take photos through the display (live view) or are the limitations only there when you shoot video? Asking because I'm a dSLR user and I remember whenever I switched to Liveview the lens focus would go crazy
@@glacialimpala lumix AF it just ugly, not because LV or else. This change in s5ii which now have phase detect autofocus
As a stills shooter, I find the S5 AF more than adequate for most shooting. Only tracking quickly moving subjects is a bit of an issue. It's not a sports camera, but for still or slower-moving subjects it's great. It's not fair to say the S5 has bad AF. Even for video shooting it's better than some. For stills, it's very, very good. Read plenty of reviews.
@@skfineshriber So unless someone was to shoot fast moving stuff it would literally not be noticable that AF could be better? Thank you, that means a lot to me. I shoot landscape, portraits and sky objects, so that should be a non issue...
Panasonic s5 fantastic
EOS R is more of an enthusiast full-frame camera than the R6 in my opinion, which is considerably more expensive than the competition.
It's $715 more than the Z6II here in Ireland, $1000 more than the S5 and A7III.
Great video as always guys, all these cameras can deliver fantastic results.
No... the R6 is more advanced, the AF is the second generation and they use Digic X processor same as used in 1DX line and also r5
Even if Sony releases an A7IV I’ll still be sticking to the A7III. It’s hard to ignore just how relevant it still is to this day. All the other manufacturers have been trying like crazy to catch up to their autofocus. While I’m still mostly a micro four thirds user, my Sony A7III is a fine addition to my kit and will continue to use it for many more years to come.
I have recently got an amazing deal with gx80 as micro 4/3 feature packed camera (aps-c with similar features cost 2x more) and I am really curious about your experience owning both m4/3 and FF. I feel like my m4/3 is good enough for 90% of my needs but the Internet with all those trends makes me think twice about getting a larger sensor system in the future. So could you tell more or less how do you use your cameras and if m4/3 is good enough for your needs or that FF camera made a huge difference in your photography. I know it's all about photos and not gear, but still curious to know what you think :D
I wiil enthusiastically say that R6 is not exactly enthusiast camera 😁
I really like the images on the Z6 ii in both stills and videos. I know it's subjective but I like the colors it produces compared to my a7iii. I had a GH5 and in my opinion it's on par with the Nikon images. Maybe Panasonic slightly better. There's just something about the colors of the a7iii that when you are editing you have to make more adjustments to get it to look great color wise. The raw stills seem to have a magenta color that is kinda hard for me to adjust. Maybe the newer Sonys are better. With Jordan's video category I think the z6 ii should rank higher than the a7iii since the Nikon doesn't have a 4k 30p crop and the IBIS is better. It also has that photo/video dial that is very useful. Plus in future firmware it will support 4k 60p and it is also upgradable to record Raw video. The advantage that the a7iii though is that it can do internal sLog.
Trust me sony is way better with all of the lenses and just everything
Interesting - i personally don’t like the articulating screen. I don’t film myself and I like the quick action to flip up the screen, instead of having to flip it outwards and then rotate it. I just wish the Nikon could flip up while on vertical orientation too like the Fuji XT3 I believe
You know what it is fantastic that you don’t have the ads and I just subscribed on top of the fact that I like your work a a camera reviewer
DPReview is sooo underrated. I can name a few other photography youtubers that are not that good with more subscribers.
Eagerly awaiting your complete Nikon Z6ii review to make my final purchase decision....
Decision between what ?
Nikon Z6ii & Sony A7III... after all Sony A7iii seems to have aged finally but shall awaite final review from Chris 👍
With current pricing the A7 III might still be a great deal. Where I live with cashback deals the Sony is 600€ cheaper than the Nikon Z6 II and roughly 1000€ cheaper than Eos R6.
With that perspective, it sure is. And considering the lens lineup, it's more than competitive still.
If you want to decide based on price you should put the A7RII on the list as well which is rediculously cheap for what it is
@@chillipompom5263 True, that opens the floodgates beyond the scope of this video as there's a crazy amount of value to be had in the used market.
here in germany the Z6 II is just 100 euro more expensive
@@chillipompom5263 Not worth getting imo. The autofocus is too poor, probably even worse than Panasonic. Sony only got good with autofocus from their gen3 models.
Nikon Z6II is getting 4k 60 thru a firmware update soon.
Is it a paid upgrade? Is there a crop?
@@AbhishekJoshi it's free and it has 1.5x crop.
@@StefanPacMan Thank you. I am really confused between the S5 and Z6 II :/
Sony A7iii user here, agree to all points as the camera is already showing its age.
@M Tech too high? There were so many deals on a7III yesterday on black friday, it's crazy. At least in Europe. You could get a7III with a battery grip for 1400 Euro, or in combo with the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 for 1930 Euro. That's entry level full frame, or, to be honest, more like top level of APSC price range. Crazy good prices, something you will not see for Z6II, S5, or R6 anytime soon.
@M Tech I've just written, that Z5 is pricier in EU. Sony really doesn't have a very budget FF, that's true. But what the competition has, i would not buy that either...
Omg this video came on a timely manner for me. Thanks!!! I was saving a lot for my first ff camera
Don't forget the lens options. The ecosystem is very important given the fact that all of these cameras are really capable.
For me Nikon wins
Two years ago, Chris was wearing the same plaid shirt and black bubble jacket combo for the A7III review! And the man does not age.
Great camparison. As fuji user, i glad these basic ff models flood the market. They help pushing xt4 to agreeable price point.
I really wanted to buy the XT-4 but it was even more expensive than the Z6II. As much as I love Fuji the Z6II seems like the better choice bc of full frame sensor and functions
I have the Nikon because i already had 6 lenses. My friends have the Canon because they already have their lenses.
This is fully reasonable, but in the long run, this is not "good enough" for Nikon. If only guys which already have Nikon F lenses buy Nikon Z, then the Pentax effect kicks in: The user community is aging, because no new system camera users find their way to Nikon, only previous Nikon DSLR owners stay with Nikon. In the long run, this means, the market share is declining, and that kicks off a vicious circle (market share declines > even less chances for 3rd party lens support > even less new users decide to go for Nikon > market share declines further > even less chances for 3rd party lens support > etc ... > ends up like Pentax )
The switch to mirrorless is a good opportunity to shake that up. I'm going from nikon to sony since I'll need new lenses anyway
Wow didn't realise how far other manufacturers have progressed their mirrorless offerings. Great video!
much faster than Sony did huh?
If only I could subscribe more than once, i would have
well actually you can :D
Z6ii is supposed to have a 4K/60 update. You mentioned some features coming in future with other cameras thought this should have been mentioned instead of it doesn’t do it.
You're both right, in different ways.
I recently jumped into full frame a bit below this price point and ended up going with none of these: I nabbed a lightly used A7RIII. 42MP is great, and I just couldn't say no to the affordable Sony lens ecosystem. Spending thousands of dollars less to build out a lens kit is huge for a mere enthusiast.
The Z6ii was heavily considered, but third party Z glass isn't yet there (and might never be there if Z sales don't pick up). The R6 is just out of my price range for 20MP. And L mount is undercooked right now.
Overall, you can't go *wrong* with any of these options, and it's amazing how full frame has gotten more affordable and polished in just a few years.
That last paragraph: facts!
@@lilnape2604 The big difference is that investing in Sony is investing in an outdated mount that was designed for apsc from the start. The last Dpreview 70-200 2.8 test was testimony of the that. The Sony was a stand out in this test. And not about being good, but the contrary. When you see the difference between Z lens and F mount Nikon lens, you can clearly see the advantage of what a bigger lens mount brings.
@@danielvilliers612 ehhh that Sony 70-200 is quite old. The Sony mount hasn’t stopped sigma/tamrom from releasing spectacular lenses and Sony’s recent 135, 20 and 12-24 are both as good as anything out. I say that with having no investment in Sony. I have a Z6ii.
So far, you are the only photography channel I follow...unbiased, fact-based and yet super interesting reviews...Keep up the amazing work. you deserve more subscribers.
everyone JAZZING about 4k 60....been doing that for 3 years on my gh5. Man that S1H video be pretty Jordan. they just did big firmware for S cameras....I saw the AF on S5 not that much better, a bit but still problem not solved, but tell us what the firmware did for the other S cameras, like the S1H you so love to shoot. I read, rumors, Panasonic is working on a Lidar type AF and a new sensor for a gh6 or similar release. well.................if they lifted the 30 min record limit on the S5, and yes the Panasonic colors are delicious, and they could further improve AF? I'd buy one. Merry Xmas
You think they will make a GH6? It would be amazing if they made a more megapixel micro four thirds camera
Love the channel but this comparison was not fair canon is not priced as a midrange yet here it is... Its like this would you preferer any camera besides the canon and $1000 in your back pocket or the canon and a hole in your pocket?
Sony A7III with kitlens is priced 1800 euro at the moment and that is 300-1000 euro cheaper than the other camera's in comparison. You get double the size of battery life and many lens options. For someone on a budget or someone that is familiar with the Sony ecosystem, the A7III can be perfect. Rumors say A7IV will release mid 2021
it's a really fair and balanced comparison video. Not an easy job at all to compare 4 really good cameras, but you guys really did a great job! Agreed other guys comment that this channel should have a lot more subscribers.
You forgot to mention lens selection for each mount. Seems Sony crush them all with native and 3rd party glass. Also it's quite funny how 2years+ old camera is on par with newest cameras from other companies. And in 3-6 months they all will be crushed by A7IV. Not a Sony fanboy I wish all of then are much better to have better competition. It's like other 3 just trying.
Where tha a7iv at
Sony colors NEVER look good. They can never crush it. It's only fanboys who keep talking about it. It's Canon, Nikon, or Panasonic.
The price different in Australia for these is huge, looking right now, best I can find the R6 for is $3600, Z6 II for $3400 while the A7 III is $2300 and S5 $2700.
I'm looking at jumping back in after a long hiatus and as the body isn't as important as the lenses, I'm definitely looking at the cheaper two a lot closer, I could pick up the A7 III plus a decent lens for the cost of the R6
We live in a beautiful times, there's plenty of good stuff for everyone...
R6 has 1.68m dot lcd screen which is less than z6ii
I appreciate not being bombarded with ads. I finally subscribed to show my appreciation for all the hard work you do. Btw you have dust on your A73 sensor (top left corner) See it in the af test at the end..
Great video as always, but I think you should also consider the value factor. Here in Canada the A7III is $2299 body only, while the Canon R6 is $3500. I think that makes the A7III the winner on a value basis.
And the Z6 II is only $2699
Excellent comparison as always guys!
I think I would be happy having either one of these as they all seem like very capable devices! Good times to buy a new camera :D
Another honest review. Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth. As far as I'm concerned, they can keep their fully articulating screen because when the image is off to the side I find it difficult trying to keep the camera level, it takes too long and I miss shots. I understand it's a major issue to all the vloggers out there and is probably why youtubers promote it so much, that and two card slots. I have had a camera fail but never a card and if you attempt to shoot something important like a wedding then you are out of your mind to use only one camera. Like most photographers I know, we don't use these types of cameras primarily for video, sports, or (gasp) selfies. I have a Z7 with it's awesome image quality, and an E-M1 II for casual stuff when I want to travel lighter One has a tilt screen, the other is fully articulating, which for me isn't a game changer because 95% of the time I use the viewfinder. With all this marketing going on, D750's are still my event cameras, I call them my mules, nothing flashy but do the job extremely well. BTW, if someone cannot capture a quality image with any of those great cameras in your review, then perhaps it's time to do something else. Maybe take up needlepoint?
How do you shoot low angle portrait shots though? I hate tilt screens with a passion. I don't want to lie down on the ground just to get a shot.
With tilt screens all I'm doing is spray and pray. Shoot 100 shots and pick maybe 10?
@@professionalpotato4764 I have never laid down to take a portrait...maybe I'm missing something here...lol
@@tomlew55 I shoot stuff at the gym. People are often in low poses. For low angle action portraits, I have to be even lower.
You structured the episode so nicely! Thank you for the easy-to-digest comparison.
We love to categorize and list things, but truth be told, all of these tools are fantastic and make our jobs / hobbies easier and more of a joy. Great video as always.
Hi Jordan, great video as always! Has Canon confirmed that C-Log3 is coming to the R6? I believe it is only the R5 officially confirmed to be receiving this.
Just got a like new panasonic lumix s5. I'd argue it's actually a great camera for stills, when you compare the features it has. 6k/4k photos, post focus mode pixel shift resolution which I believe is still not on a single of the other cameras. Granted the fps isn't the best and the evf is slightly outdated when compared to two of the rivals, but for most forms of daily photography I'd probably pick this over everything else
Just picked up an a7iii for $1450 and a Sigma 24-70 and a Tammy 70-180 for an extra $2000. Glass > body. I’ll just get the a7iv when it comes out
Buy zeiss glass and you will see why you won't want to touch glass from canon or nikon ever.
Looking forward to the Z6II review. I loved the Z6...but it made me a little crazy as a fully manual video shooter that you couldn't have zebras and peaking on at the same time. Crazy.
Do you know if Nikon has corrected this?
Also, does the reversal of the MF also work with older Nikon lenses with F mount adapter?
Enquiring minds want to know.
R6 is closer to the price of the Z7 ii than the Z6 ii. Compare it to the Z7 ii and see how that plays out.
Nikon! Raw files are incredible! Better mirrorless lenses than Cannon! And more affordable.
Can't justify owning another camera but I still watch these videos for some reason
for photography it is hard to beat the Nikon's DR and true color, things that Really saves time in post and printing.
Also no matter which Z camera you choose, the controls layout and solid Nikon handling are identical across all bodies, very important when you mix it up in event type photography
You guys are the best stand-up routine amongst TH-cam digicam reviewers😉. With an added bonus of being very informative. I’m somewhat surprised the Panasonic held its own so well in this group; weren’t they a micro-4/3ds camera brand? That seems like a pretty good value; and, since I’m not a sports photographer, I could probably live with its autofocus tracking.
Now you should've weighted the resulting points by the price
I love all your review, no bias bs like many other channel. Even if you both have you favorite you don't let it interfer with the review. Good you job you deserve much more than the others.
I would choose the Nikon Z6 1. Generation. Fantastic price excellent for Wildlife (special BIF) and the best ergonomics. For video I would take the S5.
What is BIF?
@@detectivejonesw Birds in flight
@@romanpul thanks
Z6 is one of the worse camera for bif
@@ahmonon4352 As a Z6 owner I have to agree on that. Though there are a couple of tweaks you can do to the AF to make it somehow useable, like disabling live setting. But it’s still not really a pleasure.
This is the review i was waiting for...!!! Thanks Chris and Jordan!!! 👍✨💫
I am still extremely happy with a7iii. I think even in three four years I would still say the same. Maybe a7v or a7vi.
These are cameras so stills image quality is most important. Nikon wins hands down.
This channel really gives good review for cameras, honestly it's underrated you guys should have million subscribers
Be interesting to see what the new sony is like - 2 years is a loooonnng time for sony and for it to still be competitive speaks volumes as to how far ahead they were
An important consideration, ignored, was build quality/weather sealing/support, with far behind the other 3. Canon is in 3rd place, well below their traditional build or pro cameras, higher-end enthusiast cameras like the 5D series. The S1 Panasonics are very good in materials and sealing but the S5 is built for a price point and lower in build level, to go along with the lower price. Nikon Z surely takes top spot in materials, build, sealing, and overall a more rugged camera. Personally, I prefer the flip screen instead of a fully articulate screen because it is far more rugged and I no interest in lower reliability to accommodate selfies since I use my cameras for professional and hobby photography. Cell phones are better for selfies than any of these cameras. The straight of of camera images are, to my taste just better in color and detail. Since I can't remember the last time I had a out of focus image in my commercial work, the importance of Eye-AF is stressed way too much, possibly by TouTube influencers who needed some faster focus indicator box movement on the Sony as the only feature that Sony had for bragging rights. The ironic fact is that the screen indicator tracking is faster than the Z camera but the actually in-focus images are more on the Nikon than Sony. It was explained by a friend who had both, by saying the focus tracking was faster on theSony but he gets more keepers with his Z6 possibly because the Sony detection and focus action are not as closely aligned, as a result when using focus peaking, few Sony users can rely on the indication on the monitor actually representing focus accuracy. Few Sony users use focus peaking as a result.
A big plus for the Z mount is lower cost lenses with better sharpness corner to corner, is stellar with the S lenses. Every S lenses, the native lenses of the Z mount, is superior optically to the more expensive pro-level F mount lenses. And the zooms like the 24-70 2.8 and 70-200 2.8 are the best zooms made, but competitive in price or lower than the F mount. Sony lenses are more expensive but, due to the tiny mount, have a lot of fall-off in the corners. The Canon RF lenses are very good but very expensive. Having the largest diameter flange and shortest flange to sensor distance it means Nikon can use more adapted lenses than any other brand. With the adaptor for that mount, any lens can be used.
These cameras are too expensive to risk the lack of weather sealing that limits use of the Sony in variable weather or dusty conditions.
All these cameras are sufficiently good that the choice does come down to our individual subjective preferences. For me, I love the Panasonic GH/S way of doing things. For me, anamorphic support, stop motion support, High res mode, 4K/6K Photo, 10 bit video, and touch screen implementation, make the S5 a standout camera, with the Sony in 2nd place purely because I have a collection of e-mount lenses. Canon next,also due to lenses, and Nikon a distrant last because of the rear monitor.
C-Log 3 for the R6!!! Cant wait
I think, for many people decision factor is neither the touch screen nor the menu system, but the native lens selection, and the price performance ratio of key lenses. I chose Sony, first of all because I could buy the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 zoom for 600 Eur. This is something (good f2.8 standard zoom for cheap) which none of the competitors have. On top, the body itself was 1400 Eur, being cheapest of all 4 reviewed bodies. Still beating the Nikon and the Canon in sensor sensitivity, the Nikon and the Panasonic in Autofocus, and all of them in battery life. We can argue about it until 2022, this is a highly subjective topic who is preferring which spec, but at the end it's all about Autofocus, sensor performance, and affordable still good lenses. Currently, price/performance of the body, or the price/performance of the Sony-Tamron combo is really unbeatable for every hobbyist out there. In my opinion.
It is weird to watch a camera comparison not taking about the lenses at all. Something, which you need to take a photo...
Indeed, it’s all subjective regarding preferences. In that respect you’re right, most of the rest is opinion.
Waiting Z6 ii review
You guys are very teaching when you do these videos together. I hope you also teach photography in general and video in general. You guys are fantastic!!!
Some like a fully articulated screen, an AF that can track running Jordans, etc. I don’t need neither of them. I’m content with a tilting screen and the AF of most of the candidates is good enough for me. I miss an image quality comparison, dynamic range, low light performance and the sorts, as that matters to me.
Then you should get the Z 6 or 7 depending on your need. The Nikon Z glass is way above of what I was used to from Sony. Dynamic range is about the same as Sony. Canon has a good low light autofocus, but the image on the end is better with a Z6
24 Megapixels is already pretty low ... but 20 MP is downright crazy for a general purpose camera in this price range in 2021.
I was waiting for this video. Thanks guys helped a lot🙏🙏
For how cheap the Panasonic S1 can be had for used I would definitely recommend it over the S5 for those who don't mind a heavier body. Built like a tank with a stunning EVF and great ergonomics. Absolutely love mine. Don't really understand why the R6 gets to be here but the S1 does not, as they are the same retail price.
I'm honestly considering between the S1 and A7iii. I'm a video oriented hybrid shooter, so the Panasonic naturally appeals greatly.
However the lens options are severely limited right now. Do you think a 24-105 f/4 is enough for most general paid jobs? Or should I get the body alone with a Sigma 24-70?
The only reason I would be considering the A7iii in 2020 is I know that the A7iv will come with 10 bit, and good autofocus (which I do need for photos). And hopefully I can build a decent lens kit by the time the A7iv is released.
What's your take? S1+ 24-105? Or A7iii with Sigma 24-70? That's pretty much all I can afford right now. I shoot stuff for fitness, interviews, events etc.
@@professionalpotato4764 I use the S1 and have the 24-105 and so far it hasn't let me down. With the new update coming sometimes next year, the video recording options will be waaaay above the A7III. Wonder if they will update the S1h as well since they would be pretty close to each other then
@@luisneumannp2748 That's really good to know. Yeah, the Panasonic videos are a complete different game compared to the A7iii. I really hope the new primes come out soon.
@@professionalpotato4764 I use the 24-105 primarily for my event work and it has worked very well for me especially with the incredible IBIS and viewfinder. Would push to 12800 iso and it would still work well. I do a lot of interviews/events, so the 10-bit recording with no time limit was one of the main reasons I bought into the system. No other camera in this price range has that feature. Excited for the cheap primes as well, but for now the 24-105 and 50mm 1.4 suit me well. I really would not buy into the A7III at this point do to the viewfinder and record limitations. I don't find the the AF limiting for photos, but that is primarily because I do not do sports or fast action. If you do often take photos with fast movement I would not recommend the system at this time.
Deciding between Nikon and Canon for good image quality and AF, and I think faster and more grippy AF plays a more crucial role in my work. Surprised it came on top of Sony, so there's really no disadvantages to not considering Sony cameras at this price point.
Nikon is the best 🥇
Jordan is not paid enough. Bringing his A game every time. What a Pro!
Great review as always with you guys. I just wish when comparing cameras such as these that you also include something like the Fuji x-T4. I know its not a full frame sensor but I would love to see how it compares especially on image quality., given it has a similar sensor resolution. Many thanks again. Hope you’re feeling better Chris. 👍
I'll choose based one whether the brands are trendsetting. For me its either Sony or Panasonic the pioneers of the mirrorless market
I was one of the people complaining about the R6's 20MP, then I bought one...with a good lens (I've been using the RF 35 1.8) it still has amazing resolving power and is definitely up to task.
Frankly, really amazing that the Sony a7iii is in this group - a 3 year old camera holding its own against brand new tech
So excited for this review!! Love your videos - thanks so much!
Nikon Z6II all the way and not to mention the Z lenses, those are real gems
Thanks for a nice video again. I would be great to see how an top APS-C camera like the Fuji X-T4 compares to these mid rang FF's.
It's a personal interest because I'm in for an upgrade for my X-T2. Unfortunately the eco-system of the new Z and RF systems are way more expensive which bothers me for a switch to a FF mirrorless camera of Nikon or Canon. I think a D850 or D780 with good lenses offers me similar IQ (or better?)
Yes. I want to upgrade for either the x-t4, the s5 or the r6
For a midrange camera, ecosystem plays a huge role, including cheap and good glass. Would be a good idea to include it as an additional category :) I personally am still on a7 ii and saving for an a7 iii. Menus and better screens are nice to have, but ultimately it comes down to price, image quality and AF for me.
The Sony systems have the most compact full frame primes and zooms which makes their cameras enticing but just horrible IBIS, nasty rolling shutter and stuff like that just ruins the experience, but then again, Canon is way pricier, has heaviest glass of all systems out there, HORRIFIC rolling shutter issues, the S5 is just heavy as a brick and got worst AF system out there among full frame, we have to go back to 2013 to find a worse AF system LOL. Its obnoxious having to buy a camera and come with compromises, what a mess.
@@SMGJohn I totally agree with you. What camera do you use now? I want to buy a mirrorless camera for the first time, but I am still thinking about what to buy. I'm going to take videos rather than taking pictures.
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For videos there really is just Panasonic GH5, GH6 and S5 that do it well.
Their AF systems are, lets just put it this way, if you do not tell it what to lock focus on, or what to focus on, their AF systems have trouble figuring it out on their own, but if you manually tell it what to do, it does it well enough.
Right now I still use my Samsung NX1 from 2014 and I recently bought a Panasonic S5 for my private use, at my job I have used various Canon systems and even Sony FX3 which is basically Sony A7sIII internally.
The best hybrid camera is hands down Panasonic S5, AF is pretty mediocre, but price, feature, weight, price of glass, nothing comes close to it, nothing at all.
Its also a very easy camera to work with, its got the best IBIS of all full frame cameras, its got very beautiful colour profiles if LOG is not your thing.
It also goes on sale a lot which makes it even cheaper.
Fujifilms new camera X-H2s is also pretty good, but it costs a lot like as much as a new A7IV, its also got worse AF than Panasonic somehow.
@@SMGJohn Thank you for your kind and detailed reply. I should buy S5. Thank you again from South Korea!
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If S5 is in your budget it is good video camera, make sure too watch many video on S5 how to configure and adjust auto focus for best experience.
For lenses, 20-60mm is very good lens, lightweight and very sharp.
For third party if you want fast lens, Sigma 28-70mm F2.8 DG DN Contemporary.
It is compact, fast and just as good for video as ART lens, Panasonic Pro lenses are very heavy, the 24-105mm is also good lens from Panasonic, but very pricy.
Nikon Z6 for me.... i disagree completely with these 2 say...
I'm waiting for the Pentax mirrorless to come out.
You missed it by eight years!
I still using my D750. It is great.
isn't it funny when you see a camera like the sony a7 iii being basically garbage after 2 years? yet the D750, d800e.. even the d7200 or the D3s ffs are super cameras to have even after 12-8 years.
Just to on the safe side, I'll buy all four.
I can see the a7iv taking first place in every category almost. And then it will be ahead of the competition for a couple of years until the replacement of the eos and the z cameras that just came out.
I hope that Sony really improves the a7iv, but at the moment I really doubt it. Canon and Nikon have much better ergonomics and camera body. Also the lenses are better, as they are newer. Seems that Sony has lost much of the advantage 🧐
Every Saturday morning I wake up to see if you guys have a new video. You never let me down! I’d give the second place to Nikon. What a shame Canon R6 has only a 20 mpg sensor for that price. If they’re going to release a new model with higher resolution I wonder what video features they’re going to subtract from that camera.
@DedSec a7s3 has 12 ;-)
As always love your videos. Thank you for a great review. I am a Canon shooter and currently own EOS R, thinking of adding R6 and using it as my main camera for events and weddings. Love the amazing autofocus and face tracking
Great video guys. Nobody is putting the Z6 II against the canon Eos R, why would that be? If you look at price they are more or less the same. Would like to see that one especially for photography because I’m in doubt if I should get the Nikon z6 II or the canon Eos R :-)
I’ve gone for the Z6 II after strongly considering both cameras. The ergonomics just felt better to me in my hands and the Z6 II also felt more “solid”. I didn’t like the fact the the on/off switch was on the left side on the Canon and personally find the fully articulating display awkward to use as a stills photographer.
There are pros and cons to both and you’ll have to decide what’s more important to you. Both are excellent cameras in most regards.
@@ghas4151 Hi, thanks for responding 👍 After testing both of them I’m also leaning towards the Nikon to be honest, I think it’s also a little bit more future proof. Always nice to hear other people’s opinion as well
Do a couple of giveaways guys. Automatic subscriber bump.
Panasonic could definitely be #1 but they have yet to improve their autofocus system.