Is the Stranger a Sith or a Knight of Ren or Something Else - Star Wars Explained Weekly Q&A
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What IS the Stranger? Is he a Sith like he implies, or something different? Let's speculate!
0:00 Intro
3:36 Rey movie update
6:58 Andor season two update
10:16 Is the Stranger a Knight of Ren?
24:38 Is the Stranger connected to the witches?
32:58 Was the Stranger a former Jedi?
39:18 Is the Acolyte making the Jedi too morally gray?
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I think he is the apprentice of the Sith Master. He is tired of hiding and biding time, so he is trying to find his own apprentice to usurp his master. As is tradition.
I hope we get to see his master.I hope it not one of witch.
I agree with this. He's basically the same age as Osha and Mae. Doubt he was a bad boy Sith as a child planning all this out
@@NtrudErShe did say in a interview view after this episode he is the Sith Lord rather him be that because I don’t need a last minute person popping in like let him be the big bad and let him work in the shadows for this time period it’s a big galaxy it can be more then one set of sith with plans we don’t know about that could have had other plan no one knew about until now
Yup, and he needs an Acolyte to do that
Im thinking Mother Koril is the master
I cackled when Milly compared the Knights of Ren to a sad little boy band.
“They’re just like a sad little boy band” -> your power of synthesis is impressive
I want to see Krennic in Luthen's shop, just so we can hear Ben Mendelsohn' and Stellan Skarsgård's distinct voices together.
Krennic is a Space Hipster, so I could absolutely see him buying the most cliche and tasteless item in Luthen's shop.
"Yord: he gets into your head and he stays there"
"Osha: my mother could do that, get inside the head of a Jedi. I saw it once"
There is no way this is just a throw away line, it's a major hint
Qimir is their dad , or was at least involved in their creations , which I’m guessing is where Sol should remember him from
I assumed it was a red herring to throw you off from thinking the Stranger was Qimir. Before episode 5 it was telegraphed that it could be either the zabrak mother or Qimir
i think the line is quite literally but the way they go about it is differently, Mother Aniseya can control you like a puppet, Qimir gets in your head through fear
I think they blame the jedi massacre on the witches. Oh the witch took control of Yord and made him kill all the other jedis when he was done she used the magik to snap his neck.
Having the Mother being Sith now also gives them an "out", as the Jedi can basically go "oh, it wasn't really Sith - it was witches".
I still have a feeling Sol is gonna take the fall for all of this too
So we're just going all out on the idea the Jedi are stupid? the guy that is obviously a sith even said he was one must be a witch because his master is from the exclusively FEMALE group of witches.. so the GUY must be a witch 2.. and the logic of a witch revealing she's a sith and the Jedi responding with oh so theyre just witches..
The hand gesture to the Yord shrine with the little sad groan killed me. 😂
Oh my those arms of his...
Vader: "I have a cool costume"
Maul: "I have a cool lightsaber"
Ren: "I also have a cool lightsaber"
This guy: 💪
He hid those arms well under his disguise
@@neofulcrum5013The tripping and fumbling help the illusion, too. 😊
26:15 "When he said 'you don't recognise me?', I was like 'ooh, they've met before', then I went 'oh yeah, two episodes ago".
I had the exact same response when Yord was like "You." and Qimir said "Surprise!", I was like "Oh, Yord knows Qimir somehow!" Duh, they confronted him in episode 2. Embarrassing that I managed to forget, since the exchange of "Who is he?" "I thought he was with you" in that exact scene had me laughing so hard I had to pause the episode.🤦♀
35:24 I think is wording is also part of his thesis statement. He doesn’t want to be defined by the Jedi’s rules and definitions! But, he needs to speak language that Sol will understand. “Look man, I’m not really an in-the-box kind of guy, but if you need to put me in a box, here’s the closest match.”
I get the feeling that the few Jedi who know about Qimir by the end of this season may not believe he was really a Sith. It would explain why Mace Windu would be skeptical of a random dark side user with a red blade being Sith. That just reinforces the arrogance of the Jedi of the prequel era.
If it’s a Sith story, The Stranger could be the only recurring character throughout more seasons. Possibly showing how he branches off and creates the Knight of Ren. Maybe unrelated but when confronting Maul and Savage, Palpatine says, “You have become a rival”. I’ve always interpreted that as there have been other rivals throughout recent Sith history. Could be the case here
The proper context the Rival think is the fact that 3 sith entered the room and only one Sith left that room.
People keep saying this show breaks the lore about the sith being extinct. Well what about when Yoda and Mace are talking at Qui-Gon’s funeral.?
“Always two there are, a master and an apprentice…. “
How would Yoda know about the rule of two if they’ve been extinct? There is most certainly a Jedi council coverup.
The thing about that is that exactly one Jedi knows about Qimir saying the word "Sith", and that's just Sol. The Order may never learn of Qimir for one reason or another, and the lore stays true and Ki-Adi's line remains the falsehood it always was.
@@ElvisbackpackAnd even if Sol makes it back, the conversation could be as follows:
“Dark side user killed 7 Jedi. “
“What was he?”
“He said he had no name, but we would call him a Sith.”
“The Sith are extinct so he couldn’t be a Sith.”
“Oh yeah, that’s right.”
@@ElvisbackpackI think the specifically brought in Ka-Adi Mundi in order to keep the meaning of his phrase the same.
He believes a wrong thing, he might be given a reason why by this show. Rather than just repeating something he heared.
No coverup required. This goes all the way back to when the rule of 2 was 1st created by Darth Bane. Darth Bane is believed to be the only sith that survived their extinction and was slain by his apprentice. I am not a master of star wars history so do not ask me for specifics but some how the jedi knew about his death and the rule of 2 and it was after his death that the jedi believed the sith to be extinct.
The Sith were never extinct. The Jedi thought they were extinct.
The same way Ben Kenobi’s theme became the Jedi theme, I can see Kylo’s theme becoming the Knights of Ren theme
Or how the Imperial March represents both Darth Vader and the Empire as a whole
Nah. Cause it plays when he’s Ben solo. It’s just his theme.
The Stranger is A Sith why would Leylse headland lie
@@TheHeston83 He could still be a Sith?
@@JoshieboyStudiosI hope they don't make the Knights of Ren as old as the sith that ruins the legends timeline for sure
It makes more sense to me that Rey discovers some other hidden Jedi academy as opposed to starting one on her own. Would be interesting to see her interact with some entity that wants to bring back the Jedi exactly as they were because I don't think that's what she'd want to see. I just sincerely hope we get to see some familiar faces in this story. People like Rancisis, Kestis, that kid with telemetry from that one novel, Grogu, Ezra, maybe Ahsoka.
Exactly what Iwant them to do in Episode 10
Rey is the last Jedi alive after Luke and Leia die.
If the sequels did anything right its to end on a clean slate for a galaxy of new characters. I wouldn't mind Grogu showing up as relatively untrained force user since he'd still b a kid basically but that's it. Unless they're a force ghost I don't want to see any returning Jedi.
@@forrestpenrod2294she was barely trained in the ways of the Jedi
@@MrBoJangles She trained for a full year under Leia and with the Jedi texts between Last Jedi and Rise. That's the same amount of time as Luke from Empire to Return.
A jedi academy that Cal has made and he reaches out to Rey after the fall of the First Order
Maybe. There is always Ezra or Ahsoka. Both would be fairly old by then, but still.
Ahsoka was a kid when the Clone Wars began, so she'd be really, really old! Those gray Jedi vibes, tho, they keep you super young!
@@ephesians.6 Ahsoka would be between 85 and 90 years old. Ezra would about 70.
According to Wookiepedia, the average Togrutan lifespan is between 82 and 94 years...so it's possible right? :)
I might be misremembering, but I recall the "Rise of Kylo Ren" comics series opening on a scene where Ren demands that someone kill their brother as an initiation rite. I could see the Stranger doing the same with Mae at first, and the four Jedi from Brendok. But now, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Osha is manipulated into going after Mae as part of the same initiation rite.
Besides the comments in interviews, I keep coming back to the fact that he quoted the Sith code and it was clearly a part of Mae's training. I think he is definitely a Sith, and the "might call me Sith" line is an interesting glimpse inside his head and a demonstration that he doesn't care about "the Sith cause" as much as his own power and agenda (which itonically feels like the most Sith outlook a person could have 😅)
That's just one of the many examples for why Mae isn't the Acolyte that the show is named after.
Fur clad Barbarian walks through the door:
“Some might call me… a Viking.”
Visible confusion
That may be the perfect summation. It's been about 1,000 years since vikings were the scourge of Europe and the average American could still give you a reasonable description of a viking (but would also not know whether they were a unified nation or just bands of raiders). At the same time, the description of "fur clad Barbarian" is not actually descriptive of your average viking and could instead apply just as easily to a wide array of historic threats to more "civilized" areas (e.g. the goths, visigoths, lombards, huns, saxons, franks, avars, cumans).
Yes but then it turns out its a Dane instead and not a Norseman. but anything that looks roughly like that gets lumped into the same drawer. Even more confusiing if its 2024 and someone dresses like that. So this is a good example
“Some might call me… Norman.”
“Hi, Norman. I’m Sol.”
Qimir is probably an Acolyte himself. I think his obvious reveal is because he's not the big reveal. The big reveal will be his master...which I believe is already a sith apprentice, so keeping with Rule of two, Qimir's plan is to try to get his own acolyte, using the twins' event with Jedi as a starting point.
Maybe Darth Tenebrous
If Qimir has a Master, he would be an Apprentice not an Acolyte.
An Acolyte is basically the student of a Sith Apprentice.
Qimir calls himself a Sith, is able to combat several Jedi and has red lightsabers. He is a Sith.
@@Rad0115 But that's my point - Qimir is a side piece for an existing apprentice (plagueis? And teneberous is the master?) And did Qimir call himself a Sith? Didn't he say "you'd call me a sith".
@@jaricarlon9968 yes!!!!
I think him being an apprentice is one of the final twists. An Acolyte is basically a Sith padawan and Q'mir is too skilled.
Q&A: Are spice creams called such because they're spicy, or because they're drugged; do people in Star Wars refer to regular spices as "spices"?
Qmir: You don’t recognize me?
Sol: I don’t even know who you are.
_Thanos nods head in approval_
Honestly, I think a book following Kylo's version of the Knights of Ren and what they were up to during The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi is the story about them that I would most want at this point. They were so underutilized in the Sequels, and we have no idea where they even were during the majority of the Sequel movies themselves. I need to care more about that group of Knights before I care about their order's history. What we've seen of them in the comics is interesting, but I would rather see more of them after Kylo's takeover.
I'm good with Qimir being a Sith apprentice that inspired the Knights of Ren. Maybe he's Darth Ren, and lightsaber becomes "the Ren" and is passed along.
Qimir had his Helmet on,when he said,Dont your remember me?,so that would mean that Sol has encountered Qimir,while being masked before.
He also said "surprise" when Yord recognized him...
I think he has Jedi/light side roots...as almost every Sith/dark Force user does...
As I’ve said in one of Generation Tech’s videos:
I see this as two, maybe three ways:
1. Qimir _is_ a Sith (whether currently or formerly like Maul or Millenial)
2. He’s a Dark Jedi (like Set Harth or Desaan), who might have some hidden history involving Sol.
3. He’s a _possible_ member/founder of the Knights of Ren (least likely)
Does Darth Millennial say "like", "actually", and "literally" non-stop?
@@user-zl9sh9mz6h Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Millennial the Needy? I thought not. It’s not a story the Gen X’ers would tell you.
I don't think it's silly or anything to call the Jedi "the good guys" because that's what they are. Part of the escapism of Star Wars and fiction in general is having good guys to root for in a story and bad guys to root against. And sometimes it isn't as simple as slapping a label on either and it's good to challenge that at times but something this show has really impressed me with is how it's humanised the Jedi really well and how they're presented, showing that they're just people with faults and insecurities and that's something I feel has been needed for Star Wars. Even Vernestra and the Jedi leadership have been shown to have valid concerns to approaching the investigation, things that need to be considered and I wouldn't want that to get flipped on its head by showing some of them committed atrocities on Brendok then hid it. I hope it was more of a tragic misunderstanding because the Jedi, while imperfect, should always be the good guys.
The Knights of Ren are pretty cool in the comic book "The Rise of Kylo Ren" and the DK "Rise of Skywalker Visual Guide".
Q&A: Do you think you should address to any Star Wars fans that they don't understand about Lightsabers Stabs don't automatically kill people except for pointing it at the Middle? I seen alot of dumb complaints about Reva and Sabine that they didn't die from Lightsaber Stabs, but they weren't aware they were stabbed at the sides and non-fatal points doesn't straight out kill them?
Some people had their mind made up years ago about the current state of Star Wars and it'll stay that way.
They hate and they want to keep hating and grasp at every single straw they can find no matter how incorrect or insignificant.
You have to realise that some fans simply can't be reasoned with and that trying to do so is only a waste of your own time.
@@CheeseRunnerI needed to have reads your comment earlier. I was trying to reason with one such “fan” earlier today and it was an utter waste of time.
This! And I know people say “they should boil your blood and ruin you beyond repair” but there are loads of things in star wars that don’t make sense without further lore. People get their limbs cut off all the time. So many people survive fatal wounds in canon and legends because they’re clinging onto their hate etc. Honestly if the story’s interesting I’m sold
@@CheeseRunnerhow r u acting like people complaining about lightsabers not working like they should are just haters and are incorrect? The most iconic part of star wars (the lightsaber) is treated like a fancy glow stick lots of the time jus bouncing off people now. And if it does manage to actually turn into a lightsaber for a second and stab someone it apparently instantly becomes just a glow stick again and doesn't melt their insides like qui Gon melted a metal door by just sticking his lightsaber in.. not to mention the logic of lightsaber stabs being survivable but a kunai that only goes half an inch deep is game over.
Sol means Sun in some languages. Quimir pushed Sol towards darkness when he taunted Sol so Sol nearly Decapitated him while restraining Qimir.
Then we got the Acolyte logo with a Sun being eclipsed by darkness.
The Jecki reference in the shrine was the 3 candles...
Yord: *dies*
Smash cut to Natasha Lyonne
"Gotta Get Up" starts playing
I think hearing Kylos theme in the show pretty much convinces me he’s the first Ren
Q&A: For the next animated series, what do you want to see?
I personally want to see them take a break from the Prequel/Dark Times era and do something in the Pre-Sequel Trilogy era. A series with a different art style, centered on Rey, Finn and Poe before The Force Awakens would be what I'd like. It could add more to their upbringing and provide more of the Galaxy to explore in that era, like The Clone Wars did for the Prequels.
Rey's life on Jakku could see her abandonment and early struggle understanding the force.
Finn's story could have a tone like Andor, exploring how the First Order steals a person's soul.
And Poe's story could show his dissolutionment from the Bew Republic and his time with Zorri.
He's a Sith. The show runner confirmed it in an interview with Entertainment Weekly.
Or Kymer is like Asaj Ventress in the Clone Wars micro series who declared herself a Sith and Count Dooku laughed at her and said she wasn't because just because you dress and fight like a Sith isn't enough as it can be imitated and we don't know if Kymer is like that
I think hes a Sith. Revealing him to be a Knight of Ren would fall flat on its face for most of the audience. They were mentioned once in Episode 7 and they had a few shots in episode 9, most of the Star Wars audience has no idea who they are or why they should care if he is. Thats only for people who are into the comics.
I think the witch connection has to do with how the twins were created. Can’t be a witch technique; they’re allowed to exist, even if they aren’t allowed to train children to use the force. But if they made a deal with a Sith, made the twins with Sith Alchemy…
I’m not super knowledgeable about the Knights of Ren, but they don’t seem to be powerful or skilled force users, and they generally don’t use lightsabers. Even if Qimir is one, he probably had either Jedi or Sith training beforehand.
Yeah they definitely feel more like a band of mercenaries.
Their leader before Kylo was called "Ren" and he used a lightsaber. He also wore the same basic get up as Qimir. He got his lightsaber, that they called "The Ren," the from the leader before him. So, I could see Qimir being the inspiration behind them and his lightsaber becoming the Ren.
You may not have meant to, but you made very persuasive points about him being Ren. 😅
In the same way that telling people I’m from the general Denver area when I’m from 30 miles outside of Denver would not be the same as saying I was born and raised in Denver, Qimir saying “you might call me Sith” is not the same as “I’m Sith”.
They played the theme twice, beginning and end, both when Osha was on screen. Just food for thought.
I'm reminded of the interaction between Osha and May when they were children getting their hair braided and mention they are the only children. The two adults looked pointedly at each other. I think it was a clue that at least one other child, the Stranger, was being raised by them. The Jedi discovering him is what led to whatever happened between them and the witches.
Guys, this discussion was next level! Thank you for bringing it every time and being such a beacon of light in the fandom
I wonder if Osha is the one who killed everyone during an episode of rage or something. She could have blacked out and doesn’t realize or suppressed it?
I stand with Mollie, the KoR are just emo kids in star wars
Ki-Adi-Mundi will go to Qimir and say: "Listen, you need to drop this whole 'you can call me sith'-attitude. Just choose any other name, and we leave you alone. And I can be telling that sith are still extinct. Win-win arrengement."
And that's how knights of Ren were created.
They play it right when he says "what incredible beings we are"!
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I like the idea of a Knights of Ren connection. Like maybe he is rejected by his Sith master for revealing himself and then decides to start his own thing, the chaotic Ren's of the dark side.
"If we don't meditate on the past... we are doomed to repeat it." said Sol to Jacky in ep. 1. Seems like they are not learning a thing about sith.
I can see this plot being about one of the last sith during this 1k period getting impatient and disappearing to found the Knights but yea, Qimir is def fascinating , crazy to think its basically just 2 more sith and they win but hes doesnt know that obvi, if they get to do a s2 I def want the Jedi plot out since its done and to focus on Sith teachings and the start of THE GRAND PLAN
What if Qimir is a Sith apprentice who goes off to do his own thing, abandoning the Rule of Two to do his own thing (IE Knights of Ren)?
I realize that this would require some important canon rewriting, but I would love for the stranger to end up being Darth Plagueis. He's cunning, philosophical, a brilliant strategist and so, so powerful in the force already. It feels like a perfect fit in many ways except for the fact that he's not Muun. He could of course be the apprentice to Plagueis, and that works too, but I don't think that would be as satisfying.
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Molly always wears the best shirts!
I would like to see (that) Luke started several secret (smaller) academies in many locations. Rey discovers several of them, only to find that some of Luke's former students have strayed without Luke to guide them. Some students love having Rey continue their teaching, while others resent it.
That jedi academy idea sounds like the perfect CW teenage drama show lol
Star Trek already beat them to the punch. Their next big show is Starfleet Academy and it comes out next year.
Given how Skeleton Crew already kind of rips off Prodigy a Jedi Academy show would be a little too on the nose lol
Why do i get the feeling that smylo rens real mission is to break sols resolve?
Your t-shirts are so fabulous, Mollie. I love the bold, colourful ones with the big images😊
Q&A : In Ep6 of The Acolyte, Qimir tells Osha that he has been around for a long time.
Although it was 16 years earlier, is he the hooded figure at the Ascension ceremony on Brendock?
Later episode, but Love the quote, “It is not what you lost. It’s what you’ve survived.”
Maybe who/what Chimer is can be linked to the mythological hybrid creature, the Chimera comprised of different things and it's modern usage of impossible to achieve hopes or dreams...It seems to explain our questions about the what the character is and his objectives. I think it's a really good name for him.
I am rather musically challenged, I guess.
Was the Kylo Ren theme played at the end when Qimir heals Osha? If so the clearest connection is that Kylo healed Rey.
There was a hooded figure in the third episode disappearing when the Jedi arrived.
Q&A: please no Leslie don't make the Knights of Ren as old as the Sith and witches of dathomir I don't think that's fair at all .
I would totally go to mosh eisley if it was just a week earlier! I need to get my classroom together that weekend 😭
Q&A : who do you think Quimirs master is ? And his OTHER apprentice is it Darth Tenebrous
If he is indeed a sith
I don’t think he has a master at all, I think he’s just a solo Sith. Hopefully Tenebrous shows up to slaughter the remaining Jedi and him
@@_gelato.god_4265 and ka adi Mundi seed Tenebrous but keeps it hidden with his quote a hundred years later the Sith have been extinct for over a melinia
LOST. TWENTY. ANIMATED. SERIES. PLEASE GOD. One episode for each member throughout the history of the order. It would be so GOOD
10:35 This shrine is El Bueno 🙂
I believe Qimir is Darth Venamis
The music, the music!!! Kylo Ren's theme... the music is always important!
as much as I don't like the Acolyte show, I would have to say that he openly admits to being a Sith
1066 AD: the Norman Invasion of England and the Battle of Hastings where a French-speaking Duke overthrew the sitting Anglo-Saxon King. Sorry to be that guy, but the only thing I love more than Star Wars is history in this galaxy. 🙂
Now I’m thinking about Holocron Faires
It makes sense to me that the Jedi wouldn’t teach about the Sith for fear that exposing younglings to anything about them may tempt some of them to dabble in the dark side.
It’s 100 degrees in south Texas, with humidity, feels like 110 degrees
The Jedi definitely teach about the Sith. Ahsoka told Huyang she loved his many stories. She could also read some Sith runes in the Rebels show.
this was your most fun episode!!!😂
When it comes to the Sith, the word “apprentice” is as a synonym for student.
It is a name for rank. Rank names like acolyte, apprentice, lord, or master.
I think qimir is neither a knight of ren or a sith. I think he is just a lone rogue force user who doesn't agree with the views of the jedi which is why i think he says "Jedi like you might call me...sith". Because jedi ignorance and arrogance thinking they wiped out the sith forever,its not a people its a philosophy like the jedi are. So his words to me say "You people would label me a sith because you do not understand anymore,you think any practice of the force that doesn't align with you is heretical and evil"
I think he is a Sith impersonator - A self acclaimed Sith who is not part of the rule of two but claims to be. That would make all the pieces fall together dramatically
I don’t think he claims to be at all. He’s clearly looking for an apprentice to kill his master
He may not even know about the Rule of Two. He could be any kind of dark jedi type just using the name of Sith to sound important, not knowing aby bettet than the Jedi do that the real Sith still exist
@@Candlemancer Yes - He might totaly think he is a Sith but not aproved or discovered by the real Sith.
6:30 Jedi Academy finals week is probably held together by dozens of cups of Caf. I wonder how Jedi would handle the jitters?
It has been insanely hot here in Georgia for sure! I always miss Colorado in the summer 😢
If they stick the landing I also think the Acolyte might be my fav live action Disney plus show! Andor is still up there, but I definitely did miss seeing aliens on it
I can imagine that in the thousand years between the last defeat of the ancient Sith and the prequels, the Jedi encountered many dark siders, including fallen Jedi and pretenders to the Sith tradition. Yet, on the whole, these dark siders were few and far between. That lends much more credence to why the Jedi Council, in the prequel era, were incredulous at the thought of genuine Sith still existing.
Qimir is definitely aware of the Coven and knew about the girls and their power (dyad?) - I think he, or his master, was involved in the twins conception. Mother Coral says that the Jedi can't know about how they were conceived and think it was Qimir or his master (Plagueis?) using the Force to create them
Q&A : why does Yoda say two there are a master and an apprentice?
I thought Mollie was going to say a Star Wars version of Abbott and Costello. Yes please lol
If you guys go back to episode 3 to the ceremony. You see two hooded figures that are not the witches. Check it out
The dopey knights we know are over 100 years removed. So I could see him being the first Ren.
I think he has a master but wants an acolyte so that they can go off and do their own thing . The own thing could end up diluting into the knights
Mae asks him how he knows the “the master” and he got all weird and says “you know HE collects people” …. I think this means he either collects apprentices , or he feels collected
So I think what might be happening is that the witches of Brendock were creating witches and so anytime they created a male who could not be a witch they were being sacrificed but Quimir’s master kidnapped before he could be sacrificed.
Pretty sure it's Qimir climbing a wall on Brendok in the trailer. Flashback I'm sure and he witnesses what happened
I'd be surprised if Bail Organa did not show up in Andor season 2. How can they really have the rebellion without him?
In 1124 CE, David I was crowned King of the Scots. I would definitely be confused if he showed up with a broadsword telling me that I might call him Lord of the Scots.
I think the KOR are in the SW tradition of the power-baddies that will be fleshed out little by little in the series.
Boba Fett gain popular similarly but he actually had dialogue and more fanfare with merchandising.
I have been hyperfixating on the Knights of Ren for a while now so i take any possible lore i can get
I feel like Darth Manny (Qimir) may be what Darth Venamis was in Legends, the up and coming secret (preferred) challenger to Darth Plagueis by Darth Tenebrous.
In Legends Tenebrous was a bith, and Venamis was essentially his "son" by bith reproductive methods. To have a familial link between Qimir and what is possibly Tenebrous, Tenebrous kinda has to be human or near human in canon, something which would be possible given that we don't know much about Tenebrous there yet.
Thought on Qimir being the og knight of ren.
In Aftermath we have "The Acolytes of the Beyond" which ended up being the Knights of Ren if I'm not mistaken.
Either he's one of Darth Plageius' last pupils before Sidious, or this is a different cadre of Sith.