I've used the M12 Fuel driver as a service tech for a few years now and it's a lifesaver when clambering on roofs or through attics, does 99.5% of the stuff I need it to.
@@Taylorc52M12 surge is my goto for impact driver. I have 18V impact drivers, but I rarely find anything my M12 Fuel won’t handle effectively. I know it’s not always as fast, especially with the Surge, but the speed is fast enough, and the weight is awesome. In fact, the M12 (brushed) screwdriver is my most used tool. It does so much. I always have the M1 Surge and M12 Fuel Hammer Drill/Driver (2504?) available, but the screwdriver handles about 75% of my tasks these days (in the past, it wasn’t quite as high). It’s less than 5% of the time that I have to pull out an 18V tool.
@@elliotkane4443Have you tried them since they were bought by Chervon? They’re the parent company for EGO and Flex among others. I have both lines and while the M12 stuff is better and more refined, the Skil is closer than I thought overall. The impact wrenches? Not close. Haha.
The main reason for this is they have produced A TON of low grade crap over the decades aimed at clueless DIYers. All the budget brands have some gems, some more than others. It really seems to depend on what you have and what you need it to do. When it comes to budget brands, I'll never recommend a "line" of their tools, simply individual standouts. This little skill would be one of those individual standouts for those wanting a very compact but very capable impact.
My vote, as usual, is for the Skil 12V. They have killer sales, and they go on sale quite often. Also all of the Skil line is brushless, many have USB adapters in the batteries. Better charging stations. There is also a decent line of tools in their lineup. Not at the level of Milwaukee but better than any other budget line. And personally I like the stand up design.
Skil gets my vote. 99% of the population doesn't need "Milwaukee level" drivers. @ $59 for the skil kit right now, you can purchase 3 complete kits for the cost of 1 Milwaukee kit with only a 2Ah battery.
The brushed milwaukee is my favorite and my go to, its been a workhorse. Had it since 2019. Its been to hell and back, survived multiple drops including falling onto pavered concrete from 2 story house i inadvertently left it out in 125 degree tucson weather for the weakend, after all that it doesn't miss a beat.
I was going to buy the M12 Fuel on its own but it comes in a kit with the M12 Fuel hammer drill for $200 with two batteries, which felt like a no-brainer for me. Great content as always!
Fwiw I hate the fuel hammer drill. It’s too easy to flip into hammer mode when chucking and unchucking and the electronic clutch is dumb since it does a weird slow start thing
@@vaderdudenator1The newer Gen3 m12 hammer drill went back to a mechanical clutch and redeems Milwaukee for that Gen2 e-clutch abomination of a tool. That gen2 was the most irritating power tool i've ever owned.
@@TorqueTestChannel There's a pretty killer deal now at home depot. M12 fuel hammer drill, impact driver, 3/8 ratchet, charger and 3 batteries, 4Ah, 2.5Ah high output and 2Ah for $300.
This is great! I would love to see a similar test with compact drills. I know that's a little less in your use scenario but I've been mulling them over a lot lately.
and here i was thinking that the 12v compact/subcompact driver couldn't do 99% of what i grab my nice 18v for....damn, i guess i'm finally grabbing 12v tools.
I bought the seesii based on your review. I love this channel! Will be putting it through it's paces when I go back to work on Monday. Will update on how it goes. Thanks again guys!
the thing i think is most important for an impact driver is actually how slow it can go, how sensitive it is, and the feedback you get from the tool. the ability to drive in small fasteners 95% of the way and then finish by hand is something that saves a lot of time. i dont just want to smash in big framing screws, i also want to run in 1.6mm screws and assemble ikea furniture. not sure how you'd test that though lol
Use a drill with a cluch for small screws. Just make sure the cluch works well in the most sensitive setting before driving screws all the way. Impacts dont have any cluch and are mostly for pure force.
I love my M12 Bushed Milwaukee I bought it with the drill combo for like $100 8 years ago and it does just fine for the none hard regular use I need it for.
I'm a woodworker and I usually grab my 12v tools over my 18v tools. Mostly because they are smaller and it's easier to control how deep a screw goes in with a 12v. Kind of angry that Ridgid decided to discontinue them seeing that it was my favorite tool.
Please do a video where you test the durability of chrome sockets in comparison to impact and when they break. Thank you for the great Videos. Greetings from Germany
I prefer the battery on the Skil tbh, for some reason my caveman brain is pleased by the fact that you can set it upright. Lets not forget the belt clip and the tool lineup that Skil offers. Also a patient person can find tool combos for some pretty epic prices. I got the right angle impact, drill, multi tool, tire inflator, circular saw, and shop light (with 2.0 and 4.0ah battery) for just north of $220. Add the $70 I paid for the impact (with 2 - 2.0ah batteries) and that's a good range of tools and 4 total batteries for less than $300. I didn't even care about max torque, I have 18v for that. I used to be a full time contractor (until I wised up a bit) and now my projects are much smaller (thank god) but these tools all perform quite satisfactorily and the weight difference between them and 18v is a huge bonus.
I've got both of the Milwaukees tested I can't kill the brushed one but the modes on the newer model are what makes it a great tool. It makes excellent power for a large part of what I do.
I bought the "terrible" skil micro USB screwdriver/power tester thing that did very poorly in project farms testing, but has been fantastic in my use of it. Plus, battery still works and holds charge longer than I can keep track of a micro USB cable. 10ft lbs is plenty enough to crack outlet screws, takes out most cabinet hinge screws, lamps/fixtures etc. Stat maxxing is not always the best fit and I love that you test that, but also recognize not everyone needs to drop $200 to say, pull outlet cover screws lol. If I didn't have M12 already I'd probably go buy some skil stuff, or make the jump to have some DeWalt tools. My stupid ancient Ryobi 3 speed impact won't die though. Has to be one of the better tools they've ever made considering price/longevity. Have an M18 from the same era and price range and... It works* but no longer outperforms the old Ryobi like it did new
bought a 3/8” bauer impact at HF for like $30 in their open box section. honestly it’s really not bad for being a brushed motor chinesium impact. does everything i need short of stuff like lugnuts and i have my 1/2” air impact for that. i work as a mechanic too
Bit sad I didn't see the dewalt DCF815 or 801. Though not modern, I use my 815 mainly, works great for interior trim fasteners and small engine bolts like coil packs and air duct bands and such. Always been curious how low power it is.
I enjoyed seeing how the brushed Milwaukee stacked up; got it in a kit several months back and it has been more capable than I had expected (low expectations due to 12v and age of design). Mostly use it on 3/8" nuts/bolts and sheet metal screws; needed a right angle adapter for some tight areas, but that was true of newer designs as well.
Thanks guys! I had asked for that old m12 to be stacked up against some newer drivers just so I could justify a purchase 😂 that did it. It was nice to see that it wasn’t getting its doors blown off though after all these years
Dewalt Xtreme 12V is my favorite. Perfect balance of power and controllability. It's lightweight and I find the ergonomics superior to M12 and Bosch 'battery-in-handle' designs. Also the combo drill/impact kit sometimes comes up on sale for $99 which is a steal.
I have the milfuckee, mostly because their mechanics m12 line was (and still is), just outrageously good when I started buying cordless tools. The stubby impact wrenches, the ratchets, just good solid shit that performs, for a decent price (compared to say, snap-on). I do admit I think the "18v" style battery packs would probably make for better ergonomics in a bunch of the tools, specifically drills, drivers and such, but that comes with the trade off in being worse ergonomically in others, like ratchets, rotary tools, and other "in-line" designed tools. Overall, I am glad they work great for you!
@@dposcuro hey I'm with you man. whilst that dewalt xtreme drill/driver is a joy to use on many jobs, like you I am also all-in on M12. the tools are so good, and there are some great specialty tools. i love my M12 riveter, m12 fuel bandsaw, and just picked up the new lopper. i'll get the sheet metal nibbler some day. also the gen3 impact and hammer drill combo is a technical work of art.-so powerful and compact and durable. i have the 3/8 non-fuel ratchet but not dabbled in the right angle impact or other automotive gems just yet - sounds like they're great too..👍
I got a M12 old model for $27 a few weeks ago, you could get a knock off battery and charger for another $25 as well, which makes it a really competitive option
I have that gen 3 m12 Milwaukee, converted it a 1/4in square drive by buying the gen 2 1/4in anvil(since Milwaukee wont nake a 1/4 square drive gen 3 for some reason) and its amazing. Use every day for just about everything. Got half my shop to buy them too, most didnt convert them though. If youre a mechanic I highly recommend that gen 3 impact driver
Skil is highly underrated as a budget tool. I'd take a SKIL over a lot of other budget brands. Their corded massive Skilsaw is what sold me ages ago and still runs today. Their cordless 4v screwdriver is alway pretty good for smaller jobs.
Skill hands down for the money. It is a underrated powerhouse. Can turn the light on for set time and has USB plug for backup power which Ive been using just about everyday at a jobsite. Excellent tool.
I grabbed one of the hyper tough brushless driver on sale for like 35 for a kit and I've been pleasantly surprised with it. It's become the driver I loan out when needed instead of my nice DeWalt
I’ve bought into the Skil line pretty heavily. I love their 12v lineup and have a lot of 20v and 40 v tools from them. All great tools. Just wish they’d make a more powerful 20v drill.
I'm getting on team SeeSii. They're budget tools that are 80% the performance of the name brands at 33% the price. I bought their mid torque impact driver and it's amazing for what I'm doing and I'm already on the Makita battery platform. Thanks for the reviews TTC! I would have never even considered them without your vids. Keep on keeping them honest!
Just recently bought a 2462 used with a base battery. Wish it had a little more ugga dugga, but honestly once it gets going it's a life saver. I don't use my mid torque as much anymore
I work for Honda, so we predominantly use Makita impact drivers for repairs or otherwise, but recently I've seen those little Milwaukee impacts popping up here and there. They seem to do fairly well.
Although its not as compact I would like to see the DCF801 tested (with 2ah and 5ah). It comes in a kit with (2) 2ah, charger, and a DCD701 drill for $149 currently.
I’ve used the brushed m12 for years now i just got the brushless one and going to keep using the brushed one when it comes to those messy jobs like working on transmission and oil pans
I would like to see better testing of the small impacts using more metrics: Weight, Size, Control, Durability and other factors that make a good impact. I can see impact total torque being important, but I think other factors a more important in using small impacts.
I got the SKIL and I think its just on the sad side of workable. Was very slow and getting stuck in soft pine, had to go back to the ol' $20 walmart brand cordless drill.
Soft pine? Pine can't slow the thing down at all dude. I use this thing for almost all of what we do at work, maintenance and repair, and it hangs just fine.
Can you guys do a round up of the best driver for delicate work? I've been searching for years for something sensitive enough to quickly disassemble and reassemble laptops, desktops, general electronics, etc. I've had my eye on the DeWalt DCD701 after checking it out at Lowe's. The lowest clutch setting feels like a newborn would be able to stop it. But that could be from a low battery or just that it's an abused floor model.
I know that this is a budget comparison, however, I'd love to see how the tool truck brands compare in similar tests. As an auto tech most of what I have is Snap-On and I have to say the I personally love their 14.4 tools but haven't had the need or funds to buy their hex drivers.
Just got one of the new Seesii Hex impact driver , 4.5ish" long its a beast vs my old Makita. Bought in a Combo pack for under $150 with their drill, also a beast.
You can often get a kit from Skil for around $150 or less with this impact driver, a drill, multitool, flashlight, bluetooth speaker, 2 batteries, and a charger.
I love my skil impact. It never leaves me wanting for power. Having said that, skil also offers a 4 ah battery, which should also give more power. Would be interesting to see how it compares to the m12 with it's larger battery. Also the skil kit with 5 items is a steal at 150 bucks
I didnt expect the 2462 to be so weak on paper. That being said, I cant recall ever feeling like it wasnt enough beans for general utility. Its usefulness is much more affected by the length. Beyond that its a cheap option thats durable and feels satisfying in the hand.
It's quieter but not like it's silent. Over a long day it may be worth it to you but I never really notice it after the first few times using it. It's just noise at that point
Skills newer lineup is great, had to run to the store to buy a cordless drill recently and found skil brushless for €40 with a 2.0 battery and fast charger. That was a no brainer. It works great.
The skill is a great value for sure, but my favorite is still the old Bosch brushed version. If I need more beans, I have plenty of 18v brushless to choose from
I believe you used to be able to pick up the last gen Milwaukee Fuel for $100 as a kit from Home Depot around holidays like Fathers Day and Christmas. I’m not sure if they are still doing that with the current generation, but it used to come with a bag, 2.0 battery (I think), tool, and M12 charger.
I’d like to see you guys check out the hyper tough brushless 1/2 20v impact. I ended up getting myself and it’s pretty spicy with a 4.0. 129ft-lbs lug nuts in 2 seconds for what that’s worth. Also, assuming you don’t already own a 4.0 battery, pick up the angle grinder. It comes with the 4.0 battery for $59 and the battery alone is $55. Oh, and the impact is $59. Watch out for the brushed version of the impact, it’s $64 and has a red trigger instead of black.
For about 10-12 years now (after I got a 5 piece with 2 batteries 16v kit for ~$200 on clearance) I've been telling people I think SKIL is great value for money, but I didn't really have a way to prove other than my own tools. But after seeing this and Project Farm. I think there is proof. I don't use them a ton, but there's definitely times when I abused them. I keep thinking I'll have to update, but they keep going.
I need one for general furniture building. Which would recommend for ease of warranty assistance, battery life, and overall value. Torque and power are not really a factor. Thanks!
On your impact driver tests, I think you should also include weight metrics. Think about the people who are actually using these, roofers, deckers, fencers, hundreds of fasteners in a day, super repetitive work, often pocketing or belting the tool when its not in hand. This is also where grip ergonomics plays a huge part, tool time in hand and frequency of tool pickup, again just look at the people who are using these and how their job operates, that super bulbous 16v grip will absolutely be an issue if you're driving hundreds of decking screws in a day. Battery duration is also a important metric to look at within this category, because a short duration battery will end up having you carry more spares on you during the job, a jobsite charging station isn't convenient if you're up on a roof.
You gave the Milwaukee the PEAK Torque of 109 with the price of $140 when the PEAK came along with the larger battery which would push the cost well above that, as you mentioned but didn’t include in the graph and comparison.
The SKIL is currently a $59 kit! amzn.to/4fTGWPk
$49. today
Just ordered a kit for $49.98!
"the song of its brushed people" - Thanks for my first laugh of the day 🤣
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That was pretty good! I have kind of missed that old song... 🤣
Loved it
@@Lesterman_1 I miss the light show, but not the sound ;)
"The SeeSii seems satisfied scoring superior stats."
Beautiful alliteration.
More better high power
Satisfaction guarantee
my coworker actually uses one of them. got it free. it’s pretty alright actually working in a mechanic shop
did you mean: "Awesome Alliteration!"
@@SoCalCommuter I did. 🤣
I've used the M12 Fuel driver as a service tech for a few years now and it's a lifesaver when clambering on roofs or through attics, does 99.5% of the stuff I need it to.
I never use my M18 fuel anymore . M12 surge and m12 installation tool both fit in a half width pack out and are my favs
And they’re super light too
@@Taylorc52M12 surge is my goto for impact driver. I have 18V impact drivers, but I rarely find anything my M12 Fuel won’t handle effectively. I know it’s not always as fast, especially with the Surge, but the speed is fast enough, and the weight is awesome. In fact, the M12 (brushed) screwdriver is my most used tool. It does so much. I always have the M1 Surge and M12 Fuel Hammer Drill/Driver (2504?) available, but the screwdriver handles about 75% of my tasks these days (in the past, it wasn’t quite as high).
It’s less than 5% of the time that I have to pull out an 18V tool.
I'm all DW 20V/60V and I keep threatening to get some M12 stuff just for the size/weight advantage.
@@huntercook6605 dewalt makes good powerful tools at good prices but you just can’t beat the m12’s size to power and weight to power
I always feel that SKIL is the red headed step child of the tool family. Highly underrated.
I used a screw driver one (forget what they are called) for years from them that was the best.
I have a bunch of Erbauer tools which are rebranded Skil tools for Screwfix in the UK, pretty solid for someone who works on cars at home.
I just feel like they suck most of the time.
@@elliotkane4443Have you tried them since they were bought by Chervon? They’re the parent company for EGO and Flex among others. I have both lines and while the M12 stuff is better and more refined, the Skil is closer than I thought overall. The impact wrenches? Not close. Haha.
The main reason for this is they have produced A TON of low grade crap over the decades aimed at clueless DIYers. All the budget brands have some gems, some more than others. It really seems to depend on what you have and what you need it to do. When it comes to budget brands, I'll never recommend a "line" of their tools, simply individual standouts. This little skill would be one of those individual standouts for those wanting a very compact but very capable impact.
My vote, as usual, is for the Skil 12V. They have killer sales, and they go on sale quite often. Also all of the Skil line is brushless, many have USB adapters in the batteries. Better charging stations. There is also a decent line of tools in their lineup. Not at the level of Milwaukee but better than any other budget line. And personally I like the stand up design.
Did you see Harbour Freights free tool weekend sale for this weekend?
@@Randyplaysguitars Dude, he invented harbor freight sales.
I feel just for giggles he should also throw in the 4AH battery on the SKIL to see how much it gains on the competition.
I love my skill drivers. I got the impact and drill pack for $65 and I definitely love them for 95% of what I do. The skill impact is my go-to
Skil gets my vote. 99% of the population doesn't need "Milwaukee level" drivers. @ $59 for the skil kit right now, you can purchase 3 complete kits for the cost of 1 Milwaukee kit with only a 2Ah battery.
The brushed milwaukee is my favorite and my go to, its been a workhorse. Had it since 2019. Its been to hell and back, survived multiple drops including falling onto pavered concrete from 2 story house i inadvertently left it out in 125 degree tucson weather for the weakend, after all that it doesn't miss a beat.
I was going to buy the M12 Fuel on its own but it comes in a kit with the M12 Fuel hammer drill for $200 with two batteries, which felt like a no-brainer for me. Great content as always!
Nice, hadn't noticed that. I'll link it to the vid as that's probably the best deal to pick up the driver IMO
Fwiw I hate the fuel hammer drill. It’s too easy to flip into hammer mode when chucking and unchucking and the electronic clutch is dumb since it does a weird slow start thing
@@vaderdudenator1The newer Gen3 m12 hammer drill went back to a mechanical clutch and redeems Milwaukee for that Gen2 e-clutch abomination of a tool. That gen2 was the most irritating power tool i've ever owned.
@@TorqueTestChannel There's a pretty killer deal now at home depot. M12 fuel hammer drill, impact driver, 3/8 ratchet, charger and 3 batteries, 4Ah, 2.5Ah high output and 2Ah for $300.
In new zealand that kit costs NZ$793 which is US$490. Milwaukee is outrageously overpriced here. The Gen3 impact itself is close to NZ$ 400
This is great!
I would love to see a similar test with compact drills. I know that's a little less in your use scenario but I've been mulling them over a lot lately.
Picked up a couple M12 Fuel kits w/ small battery & charger $99 on sale around a holiday. Hard to beat & love them
and here i was thinking that the 12v compact/subcompact driver couldn't do 99% of what i grab my nice 18v for....damn, i guess i'm finally grabbing 12v tools.
Yeah that Skil is a good value IMO, nice to see similar results!
Love seeing skil do well! Keep testing them!
Skil 12v seems perfect for drills, impact drivers, multi tools, and jig saws.
I bought the seesii based on your review. I love this channel! Will be putting it through it's paces when I go back to work on Monday. Will update on how it goes. Thanks again guys!
How did it go?
the thing i think is most important for an impact driver is actually how slow it can go, how sensitive it is, and the feedback you get from the tool. the ability to drive in small fasteners 95% of the way and then finish by hand is something that saves a lot of time. i dont just want to smash in big framing screws, i also want to run in 1.6mm screws and assemble ikea furniture. not sure how you'd test that though lol
Use a drill with a cluch for small screws. Just make sure the cluch works well in the most sensitive setting before driving screws all the way. Impacts dont have any cluch and are mostly for pure force.
I love my M12 Bushed Milwaukee I bought it with the drill combo for like $100 8 years ago and it does just fine for the none hard regular use I need it for.
This is becoming one of my favourite channels. Also, I really appreciate the Nm conversion! 😊
I'm a woodworker and I usually grab my 12v tools over my 18v tools. Mostly because they are smaller and it's easier to control how deep a screw goes in with a 12v.
Kind of angry that Ridgid decided to discontinue them seeing that it was my favorite tool.
wait.. Ridgid discontinued them? Why??
@@KyleHarrisonRedacted why indeed. I love my tiny 12v Rigid but you can't find them in stores
Please do a video where you test the durability of chrome sockets in comparison to impact and when they break. Thank you for the great Videos. Greetings from Germany
I prefer the battery on the Skil tbh, for some reason my caveman brain is pleased by the fact that you can set it upright. Lets not forget the belt clip and the tool lineup that Skil offers. Also a patient person can find tool combos for some pretty epic prices. I got the right angle impact, drill, multi tool, tire inflator, circular saw, and shop light (with 2.0 and 4.0ah battery) for just north of $220. Add the $70 I paid for the impact (with 2 - 2.0ah batteries) and that's a good range of tools and 4 total batteries for less than $300.
I didn't even care about max torque, I have 18v for that. I used to be a full time contractor (until I wised up a bit) and now my projects are much smaller (thank god) but these tools all perform quite satisfactorily and the weight difference between them and 18v is a huge bonus.
I love all my 12 volt Skil tools. The most under noticed tool is the Skil 2x20 volt 7.25 inch circular saw for under $250 for the kit.
I've got both of the Milwaukees tested I can't kill the brushed one but the modes on the newer model are what makes it a great tool. It makes excellent power for a large part of what I do.
I’ve been waiting for something like this! Would love to see another episode with the Bosch 12v brushed and brushless
This is such a damn treat every Friday morning!
I bought the "terrible" skil micro USB screwdriver/power tester thing that did very poorly in project farms testing, but has been fantastic in my use of it. Plus, battery still works and holds charge longer than I can keep track of a micro USB cable. 10ft lbs is plenty enough to crack outlet screws, takes out most cabinet hinge screws, lamps/fixtures etc.
Stat maxxing is not always the best fit and I love that you test that, but also recognize not everyone needs to drop $200 to say, pull outlet cover screws lol. If I didn't have M12 already I'd probably go buy some skil stuff, or make the jump to have some DeWalt tools. My stupid ancient Ryobi 3 speed impact won't die though. Has to be one of the better tools they've ever made considering price/longevity. Have an M18 from the same era and price range and... It works* but no longer outperforms the old Ryobi like it did new
bought a 3/8” bauer impact at HF for like $30 in their open box section. honestly it’s really not bad for being a brushed motor chinesium impact. does everything i need short of stuff like lugnuts and i have my 1/2” air impact for that. i work as a mechanic too
Bit sad I didn't see the dewalt DCF815 or 801. Though not modern, I use my 815 mainly, works great for interior trim fasteners and small engine bolts like coil packs and air duct bands and such. Always been curious how low power it is.
I truly enjoy your videos and the fun voiceover. Thank you! Not much love for Kobalt on your channel. they have good prices lately.
I enjoyed seeing how the brushed Milwaukee stacked up; got it in a kit several months back and it has been more capable than I had expected (low expectations due to 12v and age of design). Mostly use it on 3/8" nuts/bolts and sheet metal screws; needed a right angle adapter for some tight areas, but that was true of newer designs as well.
I've been using Skill tools for a few years now. Great battery life and great quality for price.
Thanks guys! I had asked for that old m12 to be stacked up against some newer drivers just so I could justify a purchase 😂 that did it. It was nice to see that it wasn’t getting its doors blown off though after all these years
I’m an M12 Fuel (25xx) owner/fan, but that Skil 12V is impressive.
I have the seesii and I love it I use it all over the house, it's a bit too powerful for home electronics but I have the Denali for that
Dewalt Xtreme 12V is my favorite. Perfect balance of power and controllability. It's lightweight and I find the ergonomics superior to M12 and Bosch 'battery-in-handle' designs. Also the combo drill/impact kit sometimes comes up on sale for $99 which is a steal.
Heard it is a great tool!!
I have the milfuckee, mostly because their mechanics m12 line was (and still is), just outrageously good when I started buying cordless tools. The stubby impact wrenches, the ratchets, just good solid shit that performs, for a decent price (compared to say, snap-on). I do admit I think the "18v" style battery packs would probably make for better ergonomics in a bunch of the tools, specifically drills, drivers and such, but that comes with the trade off in being worse ergonomically in others, like ratchets, rotary tools, and other "in-line" designed tools.
Overall, I am glad they work great for you!
@@dposcuro hey I'm with you man. whilst that dewalt xtreme drill/driver is a joy to use on many jobs, like you I am also all-in on M12. the tools are so good, and there are some great specialty tools. i love my M12 riveter, m12 fuel bandsaw, and just picked up the new lopper. i'll get the sheet metal nibbler some day. also the gen3 impact and hammer drill combo is a technical work of art.-so powerful and compact and durable. i have the 3/8 non-fuel ratchet but not dabbled in the right angle impact or other automotive gems just yet - sounds like they're great too..👍
I got a M12 old model for $27 a few weeks ago, you could get a knock off battery and charger for another $25 as well, which makes it a really competitive option
I have that gen 3 m12 Milwaukee, converted it a 1/4in square drive by buying the gen 2 1/4in anvil(since Milwaukee wont nake a 1/4 square drive gen 3 for some reason) and its amazing. Use every day for just about everything. Got half my shop to buy them too, most didnt convert them though. If youre a mechanic I highly recommend that gen 3 impact driver
No disrespect to the Skip, but I am so, so, so happy with my Dewalt DCF850.
Skil is highly underrated as a budget tool. I'd take a SKIL over a lot of other budget brands. Their corded massive Skilsaw is what sold me ages ago and still runs today. Their cordless 4v screwdriver is alway pretty good for smaller jobs.
Thanks for making this video and factoring in driving speed. As a casual DIYer this SKIL is looking good.
Skill hands down for the money. It is a underrated powerhouse. Can turn the light on for set time and has USB plug for backup power which Ive been using just about everyday at a jobsite. Excellent tool.
Hope you're planning an all oil impulse ranking vid as well since you've left those out so far.
Please test out bosch next. I really love my various bosch 12v drivers!
The corvette comment at 0:13 aged like wine in only a month
We need the milwaukee surge in there
Would love to see one with impact sockets! Wright, Koken, truck brands etc love these vids! ❤❤
Nice video, I actually prefer the Skil type battery, I don’t like laying my tools down
i own both of those milwaukee drivers.both are very reliable and great in my opinion.the newer one does have much more power and is nicer to use.
I grabbed one of the hyper tough brushless driver on sale for like 35 for a kit and I've been pleasantly surprised with it. It's become the driver I loan out when needed instead of my nice DeWalt
I’ve bought into the Skil line pretty heavily. I love their 12v lineup and have a lot of 20v and 40 v tools from them. All great tools. Just wish they’d make a more powerful 20v drill.
I'm getting on team SeeSii. They're budget tools that are 80% the performance of the name brands at 33% the price.
I bought their mid torque impact driver and it's amazing for what I'm doing and I'm already on the Makita battery platform.
Thanks for the reviews TTC! I would have never even considered them without your vids. Keep on keeping them honest!
I'd be interested to see how subcompact 18v drivers fit into the lineup.
The thick m12 handle has always given me the feeling of more control and when I use other impacts it feels so loose for me
Just recently bought a 2462 used with a base battery. Wish it had a little more ugga dugga, but honestly once it gets going it's a life saver. I don't use my mid torque as much anymore
I work for Honda, so we predominantly use Makita impact drivers for repairs or otherwise, but recently I've seen those little Milwaukee impacts popping up here and there. They seem to do fairly well.
I really enjoy these videos. I watch at break everyday.
Love my M12 Gen 3 impact driver. Got it on Black Friday sale as a kit for $99 last year.
Did you ever consider testing the Bosch 12V line?
If youre going to go with the skil, you may as well just buy a full size impact. When it comes to the compact pistol style, the seesii has it imo.
Although its not as compact I would like to see the DCF801 tested (with 2ah and 5ah). It comes in a kit with (2) 2ah, charger, and a DCD701 drill for $149 currently.
The next time you do this category, please add in the 12v bosch tools, my dad used to run his construction company with them 😂
This is my favorite channel at the moment.
I’ve used the brushed m12 for years now i just got the brushless one and going to keep using the brushed one when it comes to those messy jobs like working on transmission and oil pans
the entire skil 12v line is underrated. been using the gen 1 impact for three years and still chooching!
Picked up the Hyper Tough today for $39 on clearance. Worth it.
I would like to see better testing of the small impacts using more metrics: Weight, Size, Control, Durability and other factors that make a good impact. I can see impact total torque being important, but I think other factors a more important in using small impacts.
I got the SKIL and I think its just on the sad side of workable. Was very slow and getting stuck in soft pine, had to go back to the ol' $20 walmart brand cordless drill.
Soft pine?
Pine can't slow the thing down at all dude. I use this thing for almost all of what we do at work, maintenance and repair, and it hangs just fine.
Can you guys do a round up of the best driver for delicate work? I've been searching for years for something sensitive enough to quickly disassemble and reassemble laptops, desktops, general electronics, etc. I've had my eye on the DeWalt DCD701 after checking it out at Lowe's. The lowest clutch setting feels like a newborn would be able to stop it. But that could be from a low battery or just that it's an abused floor model.
I know that this is a budget comparison, however, I'd love to see how the tool truck brands compare in similar tests. As an auto tech most of what I have is Snap-On and I have to say the I personally love their 14.4 tools but haven't had the need or funds to buy their hex drivers.
Hell yeah it’s torque test Friday !
Just got one of the new Seesii Hex impact driver , 4.5ish" long its a beast vs my old Makita. Bought in a Combo pack for under $150 with their drill, also a beast.
It would be great to see the weights of the tools thrown in along with the lengths. Thanks.
You can often get a kit from Skil for around $150 or less with this impact driver, a drill, multitool, flashlight, bluetooth speaker, 2 batteries, and a charger.
I love my skil impact. It never leaves me wanting for power.
Having said that, skil also offers a 4 ah battery, which should also give more power. Would be interesting to see how it compares to the m12 with it's larger battery.
Also the skil kit with 5 items is a steal at 150 bucks
Great video. i would love to see the m12 with 6.0 and 5.0 batteries.
I didnt expect the 2462 to be so weak on paper. That being said, I cant recall ever feeling like it wasnt enough beans for general utility. Its usefulness is much more affected by the length. Beyond that its a cheap option thats durable and feels satisfying in the hand.
I don't use a smaller 12v impact because i want power. It's because I don't want to accidentally strip 8mm aluminum threads
Use a ratchet instead, though they can still break stuff with sheer speed and inertia if you're not careful.
1:56 "the song of it's brushed people" DUDE YOU MADE ME SPIT MY DRINK omg
have you tested the Milwaukee m12 with the hydraulic impact mechanism? it would be interesting to see and to test the claims of being "quiet"
It's quieter but not like it's silent. Over a long day it may be worth it to you but I never really notice it after the first few times using it. It's just noise at that point
Skills newer lineup is great, had to run to the store to buy a cordless drill recently and found skil brushless for €40 with a 2.0 battery and fast charger. That was a no brainer. It works great.
the m12 stuff is just so good
The skill is a great value for sure, but my favorite is still the old Bosch brushed version. If I need more beans, I have plenty of 18v brushless to choose from
I believe you used to be able to pick up the last gen Milwaukee Fuel for $100 as a kit from Home Depot around holidays like Fathers Day and Christmas. I’m not sure if they are still doing that with the current generation, but it used to come with a bag, 2.0 battery (I think), tool, and M12 charger.
needs more bosch 12v content
I’d like to see you guys check out the hyper tough brushless 1/2 20v impact. I ended up getting myself and it’s pretty spicy with a 4.0. 129ft-lbs lug nuts in 2 seconds for what that’s worth. Also, assuming you don’t already own a 4.0 battery, pick up the angle grinder. It comes with the 4.0 battery for $59 and the battery alone is $55. Oh, and the impact is $59. Watch out for the brushed version of the impact, it’s $64 and has a red trigger instead of black.
Interesting. Nice job taking some of the questions out of the amazon quagmire for those in the market.
I am surprised you didn't have the Bosch 12V on the bench. This thing is amazing. Small and yet, a work horse.
For about 10-12 years now (after I got a 5 piece with 2 batteries 16v kit for ~$200 on clearance) I've been telling people I think SKIL is great value for money, but I didn't really have a way to prove other than my own tools. But after seeing this and Project Farm. I think there is proof. I don't use them a ton, but there's definitely times when I abused them. I keep thinking I'll have to update, but they keep going.
Seesii doesn't disappoint!
I need one for general furniture building. Which would recommend for ease of warranty assistance, battery life, and overall value. Torque and power are not really a factor. Thanks!
I picked up the M12 for $99 as a kit with a bonus battery(the HO 2.5) and it came with the 2.0 in the bag. Couldn’t pass that up for $99
This was at Home Depot btw
You guys should also test some of boschs compact impact drivers
Came for the comparison of budget impacts, stayed for the song of their people.
Hey, could you please put down the heights from the audio of the torque test. Thanks :)
I'd go with the skill, they actually make some decent budget tools and their line up of tools is a lot larger and better than any Amazon brand
When can we expect testing the CAT brand tools? I assume they are using the same manufacturer as some other big brand.
Would like a comment about smoothness and balance when testing impacts please!
My M12 Surge is my favorite compact impact. So much quieter!
On your impact driver tests, I think you should also include weight metrics. Think about the people who are actually using these, roofers, deckers, fencers, hundreds of fasteners in a day, super repetitive work, often pocketing or belting the tool when its not in hand. This is also where grip ergonomics plays a huge part, tool time in hand and frequency of tool pickup, again just look at the people who are using these and how their job operates, that super bulbous 16v grip will absolutely be an issue if you're driving hundreds of decking screws in a day. Battery duration is also a important metric to look at within this category, because a short duration battery will end up having you carry more spares on you during the job, a jobsite charging station isn't convenient if you're up on a roof.
You gave the Milwaukee the PEAK Torque of 109 with the price of $140 when the PEAK came along with the larger battery which would push the cost well above that, as you mentioned but didn’t include in the graph and comparison.