Yeri legit got hate for crying at an award show which was their first performance after jonghyun had passed away iu was singing a very emotional song and yeri who was really close to jonghyun got emotional and started crying but knetz hated on her calling her"unprofessional" and problematic......
I am mostly sad for Yeri. She didn‘t deserved that much hate. But she proved herself. I am so happy that she didn‘t leave the group. Her Voice and Visual all together is wonderfull
100% I live in Oregon and I would go see them anytime if they came to the West Coast of USA. They will sell so many tickets. I don't think the members know how much fans they have all around the world.
I think they know they would sell out a world tour pretty easily. SM is known to treat their female artists poorly and them acknowledging their popularity and importance in the world of kpop allows them to keep them subjugated. It almost feels like a “you see, no one likes you as much as you think they do. You NEED me to be be prosperous.”.
@@SERIOUSLEE774that's certainly not true. They would have had way more exposure if the company hadn't sabotaged their career half the time. They have the potential to be as big as twice and their music is very diverse, but they are hardly promoted.
@@thefoxwhocriedwolf i am sm stan their music are not easy to listen. Plus unlike snsd, red velvet almost never chase their individual career except for joy, snsd were very active individually since way before their contract end so they don't lean on the group anymore at the end
@@spawn3721I think Aespa still got a few years in them. They’re the biggest girl group of their generation and they are wildly successful, especially 2024 where they took over. RV though is probably gonna be doing mainly solo stuff and a comeback every 2 years until their contract is up(if all the member even renew”. I like to believe that Joy had some requests before renewing since she’s been the most vocal about the mistreatment. She wouldn’t re sign unless the terms were to her liking.
@@Todayyiswendyy red velvet were leading too though. Psycho was the most streamed and popular gg song on melon with Psycho. Birthday and FMR sold almost 2 million albums combined, yet sm put them in the gutter. I fear they will do the same with aespa and I’m nervous for them
SM needs to treat Red Velvet the lack of promoting they have gotten and the delayed Cosmic MV is just ridiculous at this point I’m glad this video was made.
yes omg i remember the cosmic mv getting released an HOUR late 😭, i know sm were mismanaging these girls but i didn't know how much until i saw this video, sm aespa is not your only girlgroup wake up🙄
Not to mention, RV being the ONLY group in SM to not be given an official japanese fanclub, despite their popularity in Japan and having multiple japanese album releases. Japanese reveluvs have been complaining about this for YEARS, they have to purchase memberships for other groups in order to attend presale for RV concerts in japan. Such a blatant display of mistreatment to give this very basic thing to every other artist in SM, except for RV.
Oh and around 2018/2019 after Bad Boy's success in the US, they were offered contracts by US labels and collaborations with several international artists, only for SM to decline everything. They truly didnt't want to see them win...
They are still very successful. I hope many other girl groups can be at least as successful as Red Velvet in their 10th year, despite all the mistreatment. Red Velvet are a legend. "The Best Idol Group Alive" - Billboard
SM has enough talent that they could be printing their own money, if only they managed their artists well. The only thing that Yeri did 'wrong' was having to wait to become 16 to confirm to labor laws.
Did you also see that SM rarely put dance practice of Red Velvet since their debut ? Ok they do that with other groups too (aespa, exo ...) but the fact that we don't have dance practice for : - Hapiness - Ice Cream Cake - Automatic - Psycho (one of their biggest hit) - Bad boy (same) - Power up - Red Flavor (big hit) and many more, is so upsetting
Dance practice video trend wasn't there back then, similar to fancam trend. Yes they exist way, way before but the trend and popularity itself only rocketed in the last 5-6 years so no wonder RV don't have such videos. CMIIW
- SM Center 3 only has RV and TVXQ to manage, yet somehow keeps fumbling - Content consistently late. Birthday content being uploaded months late year after year (Happy September birthday to Joy…in November two years in a row). Countdown live subs always released weeks after promos are over vs fansubbed versions which go up within days. - Being only SM group for years to not get dance practice videos with comebacks. Thankfully this has changed - mvs lacking official subtitles for years - RV’s popular reality content Level Up being exclusive to less accessible platforms (Oksusu, Waave, Seezn) rather on Red Velvet’s own channel - Pre-album teasers often procrastinated. Inconsistent preorder windows, occasional lack of concrete dates, occasional lack of mood samplers
SM and their "Pro-Korean" policy is what hindered Red Velvet from becoming bigger. They try gatekeep their own artists because they don't want to lose their Korean fanbase the same way the Wonder Girls lost theirs.
@ from what I hear, other center's group fanbases aren't happy either, especially with the multiple protest truck incidents. Center 1 SNSD Taeyeon seems to be having beef every other comeback or tour, Center 5 EXO-L's are blaming that center for forgetting about EXO. Not sure how the NCT center is doing
Well a big Factor was them being on hiatus during covid due to Wendys Stage accident, but even there SM couldve done much more in a much better way. Psycho was a massive success and they did nothing to build onto that and Just left RV hanging in the air with minimal Comeback Budgets and promotion.
I think one of the big factors is that their music is not for everyone because their music is experimental. Their quality of music is really good and the girls are talented but not every release is public friendly.
The whole Kpop industry like fast food, Twice sells hamburger, BP sells fried chicken, those are the menu that people are familiar with and will like. RV is a restaurant that you don't know what will have everytime enter the door, but for those love them, know that whatever it is, it's delicious.
i have a bad feeling about AESPA and their new group heart2heart an i the only on thinking that SM will be more focused on heart2heart and forgeting about aespa like redvelvet and money maker EXO SERIOUSLY AM THE ONLY ONE
@@Dancingmachinemomoringthey might start to care less about Aespa the moment hearts2hearts blow up in a few years when Aespa is 7 years old and are seniors. It’s just like how Twice’s releases have slowed down after being 7 years old and was once the center of attention in JYPE during their peak, they used to release 3 korean and 2 Japanese title tracks in one year. It’s 1-2 Korean and 1 Japanese title tracks in one year now. The same thing can happen to Aespa even when they’re the centre of attention in SME now like how Twice used to be in JYPE
@@ningningisthemaknaee come with me let go to SM and take a job of stylist or make up artist we kidnaped AESPA and their songwriter create our own conpany give Giselle the lines she diserves treat everyone equally cuz SM cant and he wont even realise and bring redvelvet too aespa wont be lonely and when we succeed we kidnap riize and bring seunghan and exo sm will be nothing without them then he pays us to get them back after this he treat everyone equally and if he dont we tell him we got evidence against him i refuse to let aespa go on that dugeon
@ what is the new girl group called? I haven’t heard about them yet. It does sound like that could be a possibility though because of the past situations already.
I find it really sad that Yeri was blasted for crying at a funeral, saying that's not "professional". I don't know, don't most humans cry if they go to a funeral for a family member or friend? I know I have.
Now I know how Irene feels. You can tell that she had to endure ALL of this as not just a leader but as an idol. Her members were treated unfairly and has her reasons to defend them. And she also has her reasons to divert herself from the patriarchy of Korea. Yeri didn’t deserve the hate and the netizens couldn’t be quiet when it comes to her personality. Yeri should be herself. As for the other three, I don’t know their stories, but SM were not empathetic enough when it came to their situation.
Once red velvet debuted, f(x) was forgotten, when aespa debuted red velvet was forgotten, now that h2h is debuting, let’s see what SM will do next. Bad companies like this shouldn’t have so much power.
Red Velvet got so much potential for real. Not to mention the fact that many k-solo and indie artists wants to collab with them, USA labels offering them contracts, their concept is amazing, a kpop group where all members can actually sing and so much more but what did SM do? Nothing. A mere promotions most likely. 👍🏻
Did it ever occur to you that maybe Red Velvet don't care about the U S. market and never have? In their ten year career, have they EVER released an English single? RV were offered a U.S. distribution deal in 2019 and they turned it down.
@@riffgrooveDid it occurs to you that they released a remix with Ellie Goulding a western artist were featured on the trolls world tour and have eng versions of songs among other stuff… we can’t assume anything neither about them wanting to promote in the west nor about them not wanting to. And this is coming from a reveluv who’s been stanning the girls for a long time, no hate
@pri_1108 Ellie Goulding is from the UK. And she approached Red Velvet directly. And you may not be aware of this, but Hollywood films don't JUST get released in the States.
@ Yeah forgot that she’s from the uk but well still does not prove that they do not WANT to promote in the west Sure Hollywood movies get released all over the world so does the world not include the west ? And Hollywood IS the west tho it’s released worldwide..
@@riffgroove it’s really not up to them to decide whether they will push to the U.S. market or not. Even if they like it or not, it was up to SM since they are in charge of the girls. That’s how business and contracts works, honey. Sure they can voice out their concerns but it didn’t do much anyways knowing that nothing happened. They didn’t release any english single because like i said, they were not pushed through the U.S. market so what’s the use of it?
This is only the very tip of the iceberg! Thank you for talking about this. As fans we are so frustrated how SMs lack of proper care buries Red Velvets success every comeback, yet in the end RV is blamed for not selling enough! When in reality they are a massively loved and hard working group that does not deserve such treatment! My hope is that the critique through news outlets gets so loud that SM will have to rethink how they handle their senior artists!
The hate that Red Velvet and others at SM(and in KPop in general) get as groups and individuals is Rediculous. SM's "management" of Red Velvet has always confused me... you'd think the SM is ALLERGIC to making money. They have a Gold Mine in Red Velvet, and yet they haven't utilized them properly. I just don't get it.
no but i'm stressing out so bad about the fact that their old albums aren't being produce anymore by SM right now. even for the pretty latest albums such as Joy & Wendy solo debut albums. like how do we as fans supposed to support them by buying their albums, when the albums aren't even available for sale because SM don't produce them no more..
never gave budget for music videos, contents, promotions and even costumes. don’t restock their albums even though it’s always sold out. never gave them a push to go to america even though capital wants to work with rv waaaaay before kpop start having western recognition. has 4 songs eligible for Gold RIAA certification in the US. The only sm act to do so but sm doesn’t care. we don’t even know if the girls knew about it or what. announcing joy solo in a rush then proceeds to announce that rv will be having a comeback days after they announce a joy solo. giving joy a remake album for her solo with 5 dollar budget, they don’t even want her to have a title track, they just want an album and thats it, meaning no promotion or performance in music shows. thank god, joy fight for hello to be a title track. putting them in center 3 then removing those who work with rv for so long that knew their concept very well, knew rv’s color, discography and the members since the beginning and put them in other centers to work for other sm groups. continue to give them small venues for concerts and fancon even though hundreds of thousands are always waiting in queue to buy tickets, announcing the ticket selling weeks (sometimes days too) before the concert. i can go on and on with the mistreatments that rv is experiencing till now tbh… it’s just sad 🥲
There's still chance Wendy and Yeri might not renew their contracts, we know Joy only renewed because she would be blacklisted to carry any singing activities I hope they could get away but I love the group and don't want to see them fall apart Irene's album and promotion seemed better than Wendy's last album promotion, I hope their management changed SM management is very incompetent, they never put any RV achievements and activities on their social media, the artists don't even know they received awards somewhere else, the restock of albums is a sad joke plus RV would do so well in a world tour it was a fucked up missed opportunity 😔😔
Red Velvet is easily one of the most talented girl groups in K-pop history. At best they have another 5 years, with everyone focusing on younger groups it’s up to SM and RV to be innovative and demonstrate their superior talent over the younger gen groups. If they don’t end with a bang, then they’ve let themselves down more than anyone else.
Dreamcathcer from dreamcathcer Company had a tour in the USA, Europe, and now in Australia What about our red velvet from biggest k-pop company thay not deserve it? Reveloves not deserve it? So redicolus 😢
In addition to video, there were over 330,000 people waiting online for tickets to the R to V concert, but SM Entertainment only rented a venue with a capacity of 5,000. When it comes to Red Velvet, they neither restock albums, rent a large and adequate concert venue, release full albums, nor send the girls to shows where they can promote their albums. Despite all these mistreatments, Red Velvet are still SM's most successful group. 🩷💛🩵💚💜
Copyright infringement on the name, Including new outlets of world disasters, mistreatment form the company, Adding new members to their groups that were already famous, Mismanaged Joy's absence because of her attending a Japanese concert and and setting up for a concert of Dubai, but was unable to due to her acting gags, Never giving them a single full album, Delayed their schedules for comebacks, delayed Irene and Seulgi's Monster at that last mintue and to postponed the music video as it failed to go live, Failed to schedule one of red velvet's album by postponing it, poor planning of Red velvet's activities, Failed to capitalize red velvet's TH-cam channel, Failed to restock red velvet's albums, lack of management, and failed timing of the announcement of Wendy not performing at the anniversary event I always knew SM entertainment is a weird company but I didn't know how until now. How the fuck is SM getting away with 30 years of business?
the biggest potential and the worst treatment (after (f)x). SM never seemed to put much effort into this group despite its talent and its very interesting concept. I never really understood the backlash against Yeri considering that SM did the same thing when they added Kyuhyun to Super Junior several songs after their initial debut. I wasn't there so I don't know if he got the same kind of harassment but I think that kind of nasty harassment is usually aimed at girls/ young women more than guys, though guys get harassed for other things (poor Seunghan).
SM are an absolute disgrace, from the start of Red Velvet's career SM entertainment have fumbled the ball on just about everything they have done. From debut, to Yeri's introduction, protecting the girls, poor promotions, the handling of Wendy's accident (sorry SBS incompetence), members missing due to other commitments, the handling of Irene's scandal, small albums and long hiatus, poor quality releases, delayed MV release, poor representation on platforms like TH-cam, insufficient albums produced even though the pre-orders sell out in hours. Even SM Town this month was poorly handled and I've probably missed a number of other mistakes. In short SM Entertainment are an unprofessional company that doesn't deserve their artists, not only Red Velvet, but Fx, Girls Generation and the list goes on. Bow your heads in shame SM Entertainment, your are supposed to be one of the big 3 companies in South Korea, but you act like a rookie agency, DO BETTER! 🤬 👸👸👸👸👸 ❤💛💙💚💜
SM should learn from jyp and yg. See how successful twice is. How successful blackpink is. Red velvet would have dominated the western market easily and they would have benn as big as blackpink only if SM let them had those highs. SM always hinders their artists success. They just limits them. Such a shame.
@@riffgroove I don't believe that the group itself doesn't care about it, the problem is SM always making it seams like they wouldn't be successful, not listening to their artists at all. RV has an amazing English version of bad boy, SM doesn't have strategy or knows western culture enough to keep up with this market.
@patriciaprimo8722 Red Velvet is WAY too eclectic and experimental for Western audiences. And they know this. They were offered a U.S. distribution deal in 2019 by Universal Music and RV turned them down. By SM's own data, RV U.S. record sales count for only 5% of their total. So stop with the "RV needs the Western market" nonsense. They haven't for the last 10 years, so why would they suddenly need it now?
@riffgroove ok, where did I type "RV needs western market"? And you're very naive confusing RV to SM, as if the group decides the business they take instead of the company Other "eclectic" groups make into worldwide market, just depends on the target and strategy the company sets
Not to mention Wendy's accident in 2019, right after they had their comeback... that was completely avoidable, and sm should've taken further safety precautions
How they handled Wendy's accident and their 10th anniversary album pi**es me off so much. They could've been so much more popular and more profitable for SM if they knew what they were doing.
Fans are so greedy, RV has so many solo activities, Wendy has 2 solo comebacks, Seulgi has 2 also.. the 2nd one coming soon, Irene has 1, Joy has 1 ..Yeri and Joy are also active in acting. Wendy is doing DJ. This is probably why they cant do so many world tours. Irene and Seulgi has a unit group, and now Seulgi is performing with Wan Sun.. I know RV isnt as busy as say Black pink or TWICE.. but they are far more successful than other 3rd gen groups like GFRIEND or Mamamoo, etc.. Lovelyz or Oh my Girl. I think as a fan i feel on a scale of 1 to 10, i would say RV is probably 7/10 ...RV adding a new member was a welcome move.. i feel if you add new member very early when the fandom is stil growing..the situation is not as bad..compared to say T-ara which was adding member quite late..
The saddest thing is that all of them renewed their contract with SM even though we all know we won't see a RV album until they hit their 15th year anniversary just like many idols do
I can't blame SME this was the time Lee somam still in that company. Plus the fact that something's happening behind doors. I hope they get better now especially since that old man is not there anymore
The way this 10 mins video is not even a half of the mistreatment SM did to RV... imagine how big RV could be if SM treat them well. Just days ago Wendy won awards but SM didn't even bother to inform Wendy, hence wendy not knowing anything bout it. It happens so many times.. SM wants the girls to not know how loved and popular they are.. last year during the messily planned RtoV in Europe (which only consist of 5 cities lmao), the girls were shocked that many attended their concert, legit irene said they weren't confident if the venue will fill out or not, when in reality even with all of the messily planned concert (I blame SM and the organizer for this), they got full house venue, of course it shocks them that much. They deserves to know how big they actually are....
This is without counting how SM has limited the opportunities of the members and the group, and even sabotaged Irene's debut by delaying the shipment of her albums, making her lose a win
We were all warned from f(x) though, surely the ladies would have felt the same way with how they began. On another note though, fans also tend to think albums don't cost much. to think we have had 20 albums whether full or mini albums over 10 years is pretty amazing if it were a western release. KNETZ can be some of the most entitled consumers out here, you need to spend money to make it, the companies wear themselves thin also. The whole "let's make another group with the profits" and live that way seems majorly stressful to me and too many companies do it.
I actually really dislike sm as a company some of my absolute favorite groups are all under sm but I can't stand the company as I feel they just discard groups after debut. To be fair though most companies have a massive skeleton closet when it comes to mistreatment and mismanagement
I use to love this group. But the last 5 or so years have been underwhelming comebacks and ok solo/colalb projects. They need to go back to their quirky roots, there's a drought of such concepts to capitalize on while everyone is getting tired of y2k and girlcrush.
are we even susprised that 80% of idols have history with mistreatment and worst, at this point is like the companies try to use that as a way for people to sympathize with the girls or the men just so they can support them because of their hardships which are done at this point on purpose because no one learns their lesson even while being exposed.
On the flip side, SM has much better production than YG and JYP (Hybe is pretty good). Without SM, RV just wouldn’t have reached the level they have. And they’ve continually had better and more interesting concepts than other groups. So be careful what you wish for…
Happened to SNSD, happened to F(x) while RV was in their peak. Happening now to Red Velvet while aespa is in their peak. Will happen to aespa as soon as HEARTstoHEARTs debuted. Will keep happening.
I mean Joy, Seulgi and Irene already have renewed their contracts with SM ent. ... Even if Yeri and Wendy won't renew solo contracts they'll still most likely renew for red velvets group contracts, theres no way they'd kick red velvet to the side
Only Irene, Seulgi, and Joy. Yeri and Wendy haven't renewed it yet. it's either because of they're still negotiating the contract or because they just aren't renewing.
It's about time that Red Velvet fans accepted something.... Red Velvet do not care one iota about the western market. Never have, never will. They TURNED DOWN the U.S. ditribution deal they were offered in 2019. And in their entire 10 year career, they have never released even ONE English single. They are totally happy being legends in Korea, where Kpop is actually relevant. According to SM's own data, RV sells only 5% of their total albums in the U.S. So stop saying they "need" U.S. promotions. They most certainly don't. And one more thing... the members of Red Velvet are MILLIONAIRES. How exactly do millionaires get "mistreated?" If those 5 girls have it so rough at SM, then why do they keep renewing their contracts? Kpoppies and their "manufactured outrage" again. 🙄
@Lady_bugg9316 By no means is SM a fantastic company, but by no means is Red Velvet "mistreated." If they were, they wouldn't keep renewing their contracts.
@ renewing contracts is not blatant proof of good treatment…Especially when you have the idols themselves speaking about their dissatisfaction with certain things. They’ve worked with some of these people for a decade. Leaving would be a huge risk. You would most likely have to sign with a much smaller company (less resources or training opportunities), with people you don’t know, you can’t perform old music, go by your old group or stage name, and the new company may not treat you any better or worse. Also, if you think SM didn’t fumble a ton of things in their career (many of which were talked about in this video) then you’re in denial.
@Lady_bugg9316 I repeat.... the members of Red Velvet are MILLIONAIRES. They could retire tomorrow if they wanted to. And nowhere in my OP did I "defend" SM. I simply stated a fact. RV don't care about the Western market. You can be mad about it all you want. It doesn't change anything.
@ them being millionaires or not doesn’t mean they aren’t being mistreated or that their team aren’t doing what they are suppose to for Red Velvet in terms of promotions, scheduling, preparing events and proper stocks, tours, etc. Clearly they haven’t which you can see some of that in the video. Also, you have no way of knowing if Red Velvet care about the Western market or not. Considering they care about their fans and a lot of their fans are from the west, they would care about their western market and being able to branch out a little. Them not releasing English music (other than English versions and the English bside on Wendy’s album) is the fault of their team. Turning down the US deal is fully the fault of their team. Them not selling as much in the U.S., again, is the fault of their company for not promoting to the western market and having limited stocks. They literally just started physical album sales in the U.S. for their 10th anniversary.
Yeri legit got hate for crying at an award show which was their first performance after jonghyun had passed away iu was singing a very emotional song and yeri who was really close to jonghyun got emotional and started crying but knetz hated on her calling her"unprofessional" and problematic......
I am mostly sad for Yeri. She didn‘t deserved that much hate. But she proved herself. I am so happy that she didn‘t leave the group. Her Voice and Visual all together is wonderfull
The biggest crime is not giving them a proper World Tour. SM fumbling the bag yet again.
100% I live in Oregon and I would go see them anytime if they came to the West Coast of USA. They will sell so many tickets. I don't think the members know how much fans they have all around the world.
I think they know they would sell out a world tour pretty easily. SM is known to treat their female artists poorly and them acknowledging their popularity and importance in the world of kpop allows them to keep them subjugated. It almost feels like a “you see, no one likes you as much as you think they do. You NEED me to be be prosperous.”.
Like Twice and Blackpink are around touring, while nothing for Red Velvet. Red Velvet is a huge group and they can tour and have a solid fanbase.
sm completely ignored the 3rd gen girl group market especially red velvet's potential and popularity!
Lmao exo hasn’t even had one
The way this video is 10 minutes long yet it's not even a QUARTER of RVs mistreatment.. they deserve so much better.
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they had their era its time to move on. The fact that the members renew the contract, the prejudice it's only on your head
@@SERIOUSLEE774that's certainly not true. They would have had way more exposure if the company hadn't sabotaged their career half the time. They have the potential to be as big as twice and their music is very diverse, but they are hardly promoted.
@@thefoxwhocriedwolf i am sm stan their music are not easy to listen. Plus unlike snsd, red velvet almost never chase their individual career except for joy, snsd were very active individually since way before their contract end so they don't lean on the group anymore at the end
How toxic can SM even be towards a group 😭😭😭 red velvet and f(x) had soo much potential but SM never improved their marketing with these groups 😭💔
I fear Aespa will end the same after they debut their new girl group 😭
@@spawn3721I think Aespa still got a few years in them. They’re the biggest girl group of their generation and they are wildly successful, especially 2024 where they took over. RV though is probably gonna be doing mainly solo stuff and a comeback every 2 years until their contract is up(if all the member even renew”. I like to believe that Joy had some requests before renewing since she’s been the most vocal about the mistreatment. She wouldn’t re sign unless the terms were to her liking.
@@spawn3721Aespa gets promoted well by SM especially after Spicy era.
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@@Todayyiswendyy red velvet were leading too though. Psycho was the most streamed and popular gg song on melon with Psycho. Birthday and FMR sold almost 2 million albums combined, yet sm put them in the gutter. I fear they will do the same with aespa and I’m nervous for them
SM needs to treat Red Velvet the lack of promoting they have gotten and the delayed Cosmic MV is just ridiculous at this point I’m glad this video was made.
SM promoted all their comebacks after Queendom so badly. Even if Feel My Rhytm was a huge hit, SM still did not promote the song well enough.
yes omg i remember the cosmic mv getting released an HOUR late 😭, i know sm were mismanaging these girls but i didn't know how much until i saw this video, sm aespa is not your only girlgroup wake up🙄
When you consider all of this, it's a miracle that they still managed to be so popular and successful.
Cosmic getting 1 million likes with no ads is literally so insane
That’s all on the girls being admirable and talented
Not to mention, RV being the ONLY group in SM to not be given an official japanese fanclub, despite their popularity in Japan and having multiple japanese album releases. Japanese reveluvs have been complaining about this for YEARS, they have to purchase memberships for other groups in order to attend presale for RV concerts in japan. Such a blatant display of mistreatment to give this very basic thing to every other artist in SM, except for RV.
Oh and around 2018/2019 after Bad Boy's success in the US, they were offered contracts by US labels and collaborations with several international artists, only for SM to decline everything. They truly didnt't want to see them win...
Japanese fanclubs for kpop exists? Wow I didn't know that. Red velvet has so much potential that SM wasted.
They are still very successful. I hope many other girl groups can be at least as successful as Red Velvet in their 10th year, despite all the mistreatment. Red Velvet are a legend. "The Best Idol Group Alive" - Billboard
red velvet are so insanely talented and have an amazing discography...they're also still popular so sm seriously needs to utilize it
yeri is also good at singing, dancing and rapping plus a gorgeous face like knetz just love to lie lmao
SM has enough talent that they could be printing their own money, if only they managed their artists well.
The only thing that Yeri did 'wrong' was having to wait to become 16 to confirm to labor laws.
Did you also see that SM rarely put dance practice of Red Velvet since their debut ? Ok they do that with other groups too (aespa, exo ...) but the fact that we don't have dance practice for :
- Hapiness
- Ice Cream Cake
- Automatic
- Psycho (one of their biggest hit)
- Bad boy (same)
- Power up
- Red Flavor (big hit)
and many more, is so upsetting
Dance practice video trend wasn't there back then, similar to fancam trend.
Yes they exist way, way before but the trend and popularity itself only rocketed in the last 5-6 years so no wonder RV don't have such videos.
CMIIW
- SM Center 3 only has RV and TVXQ to manage, yet somehow keeps fumbling
- Content consistently late. Birthday content being uploaded months late year after year (Happy September birthday to Joy…in November two years in a row). Countdown live subs always released weeks after promos are over vs fansubbed versions which go up within days.
- Being only SM group for years to not get dance practice videos with comebacks. Thankfully this has changed
- mvs lacking official subtitles for years
- RV’s popular reality content Level Up being exclusive to less accessible platforms (Oksusu, Waave, Seezn) rather on Red Velvet’s own channel
- Pre-album teasers often procrastinated. Inconsistent preorder windows, occasional lack of concrete dates, occasional lack of mood samplers
Idk if this is possible, but could they move to another center?
SM and their "Pro-Korean" policy is what hindered Red Velvet from becoming bigger. They try gatekeep their own artists because they don't want to lose their Korean fanbase the same way the Wonder Girls lost theirs.
@ from what I hear, other center's group fanbases aren't happy either, especially with the multiple protest truck incidents. Center 1 SNSD Taeyeon seems to be having beef every other comeback or tour, Center 5 EXO-L's are blaming that center for forgetting about EXO. Not sure how the NCT center is doing
I was aware how amazing red velvet was but I always wondered why they weren’t as liked/popular as the other big girl groups, this is the reason
Well a big Factor was them being on hiatus during covid due to Wendys Stage accident, but even there SM couldve done much more in a much better way. Psycho was a massive success and they did nothing to build onto that and Just left RV hanging in the air with minimal Comeback Budgets and promotion.
I think one of the big factors is that their music is not for everyone because their music is experimental. Their quality of music is really good and the girls are talented but not every release is public friendly.
The whole Kpop industry like fast food, Twice sells hamburger, BP sells fried chicken, those are the menu that people are familiar with and will like. RV is a restaurant that you don't know what will have everytime enter the door, but for those love them, know that whatever it is, it's delicious.
I hope the girls are doing well...
i have a bad feeling about AESPA and their new group heart2heart an i the only on thinking that SM will be more focused on heart2heart and forgeting about aespa like redvelvet and money maker EXO SERIOUSLY AM THE ONLY ONE
I feel you i am SCARED for AESPA😭😭
Why? Sm only cares about them atm
@@Dancingmachinemomoringthey might start to care less about Aespa the moment hearts2hearts blow up in a few years when Aespa is 7 years old and are seniors. It’s just like how Twice’s releases have slowed down after being 7 years old and was once the center of attention in JYPE during their peak, they used to release 3 korean and 2 Japanese title tracks in one year. It’s 1-2 Korean and 1 Japanese title tracks in one year now. The same thing can happen to Aespa even when they’re the centre of attention in SME now like how Twice used to be in JYPE
@@ningningisthemaknaee come with me let go to SM and take a job of stylist or make up artist we kidnaped AESPA and their songwriter create our own conpany give Giselle the lines she diserves treat everyone equally cuz SM cant and he wont even realise and bring redvelvet too aespa wont be lonely and when we succeed we kidnap riize and bring seunghan and exo sm will be nothing without them then he pays us to get them back after this he treat everyone equally and if he dont we tell him we got evidence against him i refuse to let aespa go on that dugeon
@@BubbleGum-e7x The thing is that, JYPE cares about TWICE while SM Ent. care about their artists until the new group debut.
Red Velvet is the only group from SM without a official Japn fanclub. Luvies have to join other artists fanclub in order to purchase ticket.
Irene's album is fire BTW
I hope it gets better for red velvet, they don’t deserve all that.
Oh honey it's not get better with the new girl group debuting next month they Will be completely abandoned i fear😭
@ what is the new girl group called? I haven’t heard about them yet. It does sound like that could be a possibility though because of the past situations already.
@@chaoo1_xoxo Their name is Hearts2Hearts
@@chaoo1_xoxo Hearts2Hearts/H2H. I'm scared for both RV and Aespa, especially RV
@@chaoo1_xoxoH2H members were born in 2006-2010 💀
Red velvet is one of the only big 3 gen gg that hasn't had a world tour. Mamamoo, Twice and Blackpink already have theirs
I find it really sad that Yeri was blasted for crying at a funeral, saying that's not "professional". I don't know, don't most humans cry if they go to a funeral for a family member or friend? I know I have.
Now I know how Irene feels. You can tell that she had to endure ALL of this as not just a leader but as an idol. Her members were treated unfairly and has her reasons to defend them. And she also has her reasons to divert herself from the patriarchy of Korea. Yeri didn’t deserve the hate and the netizens couldn’t be quiet when it comes to her personality. Yeri should be herself. As for the other three, I don’t know their stories, but SM were not empathetic enough when it came to their situation.
Once red velvet debuted, f(x) was forgotten, when aespa debuted red velvet was forgotten, now that h2h is debuting, let’s see what SM will do next. Bad companies like this shouldn’t have so much power.
they could’ve been just as big as blackpink & twice if they were managed properly from the start … it makes me so upset. they deserve the recognition
I hope things get better for red velvet ❤
Red Velvet got so much potential for real. Not to mention the fact that many k-solo and indie artists wants to collab with them, USA labels offering them contracts, their concept is amazing, a kpop group where all members can actually sing and so much more but what did SM do? Nothing. A mere promotions most likely. 👍🏻
Did it ever occur to you that maybe Red Velvet don't care about the U S. market and never have?
In their ten year career, have they EVER released an English single?
RV were offered a U.S. distribution deal in 2019 and they turned it down.
@@riffgrooveDid it occurs to you that they released a remix with Ellie Goulding a western artist were featured on the trolls world tour and have eng versions of songs among other stuff… we can’t assume anything neither about them wanting to promote in the west nor about them not wanting to.
And this is coming from a reveluv who’s been stanning the girls for a long time, no hate
@pri_1108 Ellie Goulding is from the UK. And she approached Red Velvet directly.
And you may not be aware of this, but Hollywood films don't JUST get released in the States.
@ Yeah forgot that she’s from the uk
but well still does not prove that they do not WANT to promote in the west
Sure Hollywood movies get released all over the world so does the world not include the west ? And Hollywood IS the west tho it’s released worldwide..
@@riffgroove it’s really not up to them to decide whether they will push to the U.S. market or not. Even if they like it or not, it was up to SM since they are in charge of the girls. That’s how business and contracts works, honey. Sure they can voice out their concerns but it didn’t do much anyways knowing that nothing happened. They didn’t release any english single because like i said, they were not pushed through the U.S. market so what’s the use of it?
This is only the very tip of the iceberg! Thank you for talking about this. As fans we are so frustrated how SMs lack of proper care buries Red Velvets success every comeback, yet in the end RV is blamed for not selling enough! When in reality they are a massively loved and hard working group that does not deserve such treatment! My hope is that the critique through news outlets gets so loud that SM will have to rethink how they handle their senior artists!
A WORLD CONCERT TOUR as 5, a NECESSITY reveluv forever ❤❤❤
The hate that Red Velvet and others at SM(and in KPop in general) get as groups and individuals is Rediculous.
SM's "management" of Red Velvet has always confused me... you'd think the SM is ALLERGIC to making money.
They have a Gold Mine in Red Velvet, and yet they haven't utilized them properly.
I just don't get it.
no but i'm stressing out so bad about the fact that their old albums aren't being produce anymore by SM right now. even for the pretty latest albums such as Joy & Wendy solo debut albums. like how do we as fans supposed to support them by buying their albums, when the albums aren't even available for sale because SM don't produce them no more..
The video should be longer. Red Velvet mistreatment is insane.
never gave budget for music videos, contents, promotions and even costumes. don’t restock their albums even though it’s always sold out. never gave them a push to go to america even though capital wants to work with rv waaaaay before kpop start having western recognition. has 4 songs eligible for Gold RIAA certification in the US.
The only sm act to do so but sm doesn’t care. we don’t even know if the girls knew about it or what. announcing joy solo in a rush then proceeds to announce that rv will be having a comeback days after they announce a joy solo. giving joy a remake album for her solo with 5 dollar budget, they don’t even want her to have a title track, they just want an album and thats it, meaning no promotion or performance in music shows. thank god, joy fight for hello to be a title track. putting them in center 3 then removing those who work with rv for so long that knew their concept very well, knew rv’s color, discography and the members since the beginning and put them in other centers to work for other sm groups. continue to give them small venues for concerts and fancon even though hundreds of thousands are always waiting in queue to buy tickets, announcing the ticket selling weeks (sometimes days too) before the concert. i can go on and on with the mistreatments that rv is experiencing till now tbh… it’s just sad 🥲
All The AWFUL Things SM Entertainment Did to f(x).... Can you make this video?
I will never understand how anyone could dislike Yeri.
There's still chance Wendy and Yeri might not renew their contracts, we know Joy only renewed because she would be blacklisted to carry any singing activities
I hope they could get away but I love the group and don't want to see them fall apart
Irene's album and promotion seemed better than Wendy's last album promotion, I hope their management changed
SM management is very incompetent, they never put any RV achievements and activities on their social media, the artists don't even know they received awards somewhere else, the restock of albums is a sad joke plus RV would do so well in a world tour it was a fucked up missed opportunity 😔😔
Red Velvet is easily one of the most talented girl groups in K-pop history. At best they have another 5 years, with everyone focusing on younger groups it’s up to SM and RV to be innovative and demonstrate their superior talent over the younger gen groups.
If they don’t end with a bang, then they’ve let themselves down more than anyone else.
Red Velvet will always cook, serve and eat performances. It’s always up to SM to open up shop and advertise.
Dreamcathcer from dreamcathcer Company had a tour in the USA, Europe, and now in Australia
What about our red velvet from biggest k-pop company thay not deserve it? Reveloves not deserve it? So redicolus 😢
In addition to video, there were over 330,000 people waiting online for tickets to the R to V concert, but SM Entertainment only rented a venue with a capacity of 5,000. When it comes to Red Velvet, they neither restock albums, rent a large and adequate concert venue, release full albums, nor send the girls to shows where they can promote their albums. Despite all these mistreatments, Red Velvet are still SM's most successful group. 🩷💛🩵💚💜
Copyright infringement on the name, Including new outlets of world disasters, mistreatment form the company, Adding new members to their groups that were already famous, Mismanaged Joy's absence because of her attending a Japanese concert and and setting up for a concert of Dubai, but was unable to due to her acting gags, Never giving them a single full album, Delayed their schedules for comebacks, delayed Irene and Seulgi's Monster at that last mintue and to postponed the music video as it failed to go live, Failed to schedule one of red velvet's album by postponing it, poor planning of Red velvet's activities, Failed to capitalize red velvet's TH-cam channel, Failed to restock red velvet's albums, lack of management, and failed timing of the announcement of Wendy not performing at the anniversary event
I always knew SM entertainment is a weird company but I didn't know how until now. How the fuck is SM getting away with 30 years of business?
why do they never treat red velvet right omg
the biggest potential and the worst treatment (after (f)x). SM never seemed to put much effort into this group despite its talent and its very interesting concept.
I never really understood the backlash against Yeri considering that SM did the same thing when they added Kyuhyun to Super Junior several songs after their initial debut.
I wasn't there so I don't know if he got the same kind of harassment but I think that kind of nasty harassment is usually aimed at girls/ young women more than guys, though guys get harassed for other things (poor Seunghan).
(f)x was basically an experimental group. They're basically SM's prototype vehicle because Red Velvet is the production version.
i do not get why they think they worthless
This breaks my heart 😞💔
SM are an absolute disgrace, from the start of Red Velvet's career SM entertainment have fumbled the ball on just about everything they have done. From debut, to Yeri's introduction, protecting the girls, poor promotions, the handling of Wendy's accident (sorry SBS incompetence), members missing due to other commitments, the handling of Irene's scandal, small albums and long hiatus, poor quality releases, delayed MV release, poor representation on platforms like TH-cam, insufficient albums produced even though the pre-orders sell out in hours. Even SM Town this month was poorly handled and I've probably missed a number of other mistakes.
In short SM Entertainment are an unprofessional company that doesn't deserve their artists, not only Red Velvet, but Fx, Girls Generation and the list goes on. Bow your heads in shame SM Entertainment, your are supposed to be one of the big 3 companies in South Korea, but you act like a rookie agency, DO BETTER! 🤬
👸👸👸👸👸 ❤💛💙💚💜
SM should learn from jyp and yg. See how successful twice is. How successful blackpink is. Red velvet would have dominated the western market easily and they would have benn as big as blackpink only if SM let them had those highs. SM always hinders their artists success. They just limits them. Such a shame.
Lol... Red Velvet don't care one iota about the Western market.
They're totally happy being legends in Korea, where Kpop is actually relevant.
@@riffgroove I don't believe that the group itself doesn't care about it, the problem is SM always making it seams like they wouldn't be successful, not listening to their artists at all. RV has an amazing English version of bad boy, SM doesn't have strategy or knows western culture enough to keep up with this market.
@patriciaprimo8722 Red Velvet is WAY too eclectic and experimental for Western audiences.
And they know this. They were offered a U.S. distribution deal in 2019 by Universal Music and RV turned them down.
By SM's own data, RV U.S. record sales count for only 5% of their total.
So stop with the "RV needs the Western market" nonsense.
They haven't for the last 10 years, so why would they suddenly need it now?
@riffgroove ok, where did I type "RV needs western market"?
And you're very naive confusing RV to SM, as if the group decides the business they take instead of the company
Other "eclectic" groups make into worldwide market, just depends on the target and strategy the company sets
@@patriciaprimo8722 Name one.
SM and HYBE got an award for being the most problematic agency of the year
Not to mention Wendy's accident in 2019, right after they had their comeback... that was completely avoidable, and sm should've taken further safety precautions
How they handled Wendy's accident and their 10th anniversary album pi**es me off so much. They could've been so much more popular and more profitable for SM if they knew what they were doing.
I am frustrated that SM is not treating their artists well. SM would not be anything if Red Velvet turned their back on them.
as well, for me, wendy's rapid weight loss was concerning for me.
Fans are so greedy, RV has so many solo activities, Wendy has 2 solo comebacks, Seulgi has 2 also.. the 2nd one coming soon, Irene has 1, Joy has 1 ..Yeri and Joy are also active in acting.
Wendy is doing DJ.
This is probably why they cant do so many world tours.
Irene and Seulgi has a unit group, and now Seulgi is performing with Wan Sun..
I know RV isnt as busy as say Black pink or TWICE.. but they are far more successful than other 3rd gen groups like GFRIEND or Mamamoo, etc.. Lovelyz or Oh my Girl.
I think as a fan i feel on a scale of 1 to 10, i would say RV is probably 7/10 ...RV adding a new member was a welcome move.. i feel if you add new member very early when the fandom is stil growing..the situation is not as bad..compared to say T-ara which was adding member quite late..
and then there’s another girl group debuting really soon. i’m so nervous for RV && Aespa
Leave Red Velvet alone, SM! They're all grown-up and been through a lot for years of their debut.
Even small companies treat their artists better than SM treating red velvet
The saddest thing is that all of them renewed their contract with SM even though we all know we won't see a RV album until they hit their 15th year anniversary just like many idols do
I can't blame SME this was the time Lee somam still in that company. Plus the fact that something's happening behind doors. I hope they get better now especially since that old man is not there anymore
The way this 10 mins video is not even a half of the mistreatment SM did to RV... imagine how big RV could be if SM treat them well. Just days ago Wendy won awards but SM didn't even bother to inform Wendy, hence wendy not knowing anything bout it. It happens so many times.. SM wants the girls to not know how loved and popular they are.. last year during the messily planned RtoV in Europe (which only consist of 5 cities lmao), the girls were shocked that many attended their concert, legit irene said they weren't confident if the venue will fill out or not, when in reality even with all of the messily planned concert (I blame SM and the organizer for this), they got full house venue, of course it shocks them that much. They deserves to know how big they actually are....
This is without counting how SM has limited the opportunities of the members and the group, and even sabotaged Irene's debut by delaying the shipment of her albums, making her lose a win
Sm is playing a dangerous game, I heard that they are gonna debut a new girl group after aespa, excited though
❤red velvet❤
What the fuck, i had no idea Yeri went through so much. Some kpop fans are so gross
We were all warned from f(x) though, surely the ladies would have felt the same way with how they began. On another note though, fans also tend to think albums don't cost much. to think we have had 20 albums whether full or mini albums over 10 years is pretty amazing if it were a western release.
KNETZ can be some of the most entitled consumers out here, you need to spend money to make it, the companies wear themselves thin also. The whole "let's make another group with the profits" and live that way seems majorly stressful to me and too many companies do it.
I actually really dislike sm as a company some of my absolute favorite groups are all under sm but I can't stand the company as I feel they just discard groups after debut.
To be fair though most companies have a massive skeleton closet when it comes to mistreatment and mismanagement
I love Red Velvet I hope their company treats them better.
I am always worried about Red Velvets future. I love them so much and want them to be together forever. I know Joy renewed, are all five on board?
Only Wendy and Yeri to go
They made people forget EXO what else we can expect from SM?
EXO isnot forgotten lmao
Another day for Sm to sabotage our Queens
I use to love this group. But the last 5 or so years have been underwhelming comebacks and ok solo/colalb projects. They need to go back to their quirky roots, there's a drought of such concepts to capitalize on while everyone is getting tired of y2k and girlcrush.
are we even susprised that 80% of idols have history with mistreatment and worst, at this point is like the companies try to use that as a way for people to sympathize with the girls or the men just so they can support them because of their hardships which are done at this point on purpose because no one learns their lesson even while being exposed.
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On the flip side, SM has much better production than YG and JYP (Hybe is pretty good). Without SM, RV just wouldn’t have reached the level they have. And they’ve continually had better and more interesting concepts than other groups.
So be careful what you wish for…
If it's true that LSM is creating a new entertainment agency, you can bet Boa and Taeyeon will be there at 8am sharp on the first day
Happened to SNSD, happened to F(x) while RV was in their peak. Happening now to Red Velvet while aespa is in their peak. Will happen to aespa as soon as HEARTstoHEARTs debuted. Will keep happening.
red velvet are icons. PERIOD
Two albums in ten years? WTH. Maybe if you are Pink Floyd, Rush or Metallica. Not workable in “next up” K-pop. That is just sad. Had no idea.
Will the same thing happen to aespa when hearts2hearts debut?also red velvet why are they still in sm after all that ?
Slave contracts
The unit fail due to that "MONSTER".
What do you mean??
@@nalu5234 They call SM ent. monster, which is not far from the truth
Are you talking about Irene?
So the Indonesians are so proud that they have Carmen who is the first Indonesian KPOP idol who will debut under Big 4, SM entertainment?
The greatest group was not Red Velvet but Girls Generation and 15 years later they are still together and was called Korean Girl Group
SM fumbled the ball with them too as soon as they were getting recognition in the U.S.
Lets be clear though, SM has wronged all its groups.
A vdo on f(x) needed too😢
WHY DO THEY HATE MY GIRLS SO MUCH?😭😭😭
And Min Her Jin allowed all this to happen but has all the smoke for Hybe. MHJ is a coward. She advocated for none of her SM groups.
I think MHJ was only a creative director at SM so she wouldn't have this much power to influence decisions made by SM.
FYI, Maknae is actually pronounced as "Mangnae"
World Tour 😭😭😭😭
They would literally sell out too. In the Philippines the queue was 30k+ for like a 8k venue capacity
dang.
the fact they renew the contract, its all bs just your assumption
Like when everyone thought bts wouldn’t do it bc they were being “mistreated”
@lannymae9368 you wish, you like to judge someone to feel good about your own s***y life
I mean Joy, Seulgi and Irene already have renewed their contracts with SM ent. ... Even if Yeri and Wendy won't renew solo contracts they'll still most likely renew for red velvets group contracts, theres no way they'd kick red velvet to the side
The fact that Wendy just signed another one-year stint at Youngstreet radio through SM should have clued you in.
Wait did I hear that correct
she got hate for crying at a funeral
girl whattttt
Yeah they called her an attention seeker for crying after a close friend passed!!
@@pri_1108now that just made it worst
well, nothing new from SM if you look at how f(x) was handled
Greatest groups of all time? No… they were another experimental group, like F(x) and Shinee, not a major group like snsd or super junior.
Didn't they renew their contract?
Only Irene, Seulgi, and Joy. Yeri and Wendy haven't renewed it yet. it's either because of they're still negotiating the contract or because they just aren't renewing.
thats so sad tho...
Seulgi and Wendy loss weight a lot 😢
“ Imma let you finish but….. *KARINA IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!* ” - SM
Let’s sip! Gossip!
Laughs in f(x)… 😅
RV has always got all the breaks
Focus on HYBE 'Kookielit'
ohhhhhhh
This is a big karma for debuting RV in F(x) era 😂
it still doesn't justify SM 's mistreatment towards both f(x) and red velvet....
It's about time that Red Velvet fans accepted something....
Red Velvet do not care one iota about the western market. Never have, never will.
They TURNED DOWN the U.S. ditribution deal they were offered in 2019. And in their entire 10 year career, they have never released even ONE English single.
They are totally happy being legends in Korea, where Kpop is actually relevant.
According to SM's own data, RV sells only 5% of their total albums in the U.S. So stop saying they "need" U.S. promotions.
They most certainly don't.
And one more thing... the members of Red Velvet are MILLIONAIRES.
How exactly do millionaires get "mistreated?"
If those 5 girls have it so rough at SM, then why do they keep renewing their contracts?
Kpoppies and their "manufactured outrage" again.
🙄
You're literally everywhere and always defending SM.
Nobody likes a company stan.
@Lady_bugg9316 By no means is SM a fantastic company, but by no means is Red Velvet "mistreated."
If they were, they wouldn't keep renewing their contracts.
@ renewing contracts is not blatant proof of good treatment…Especially when you have the idols themselves speaking about their dissatisfaction with certain things.
They’ve worked with some of these people for a decade. Leaving would be a huge risk. You would most likely have to sign with a much smaller company (less resources or training opportunities), with people you don’t know, you can’t perform old music, go by your old group or stage name, and the new company may not treat you any better or worse.
Also, if you think SM didn’t fumble a ton of things in their career (many of which were talked about in this video) then you’re in denial.
@Lady_bugg9316 I repeat.... the members of Red Velvet are MILLIONAIRES.
They could retire tomorrow if they wanted to.
And nowhere in my OP did I "defend" SM. I simply stated a fact. RV don't care about the Western market.
You can be mad about it all you want. It doesn't change anything.
@ them being millionaires or not doesn’t mean they aren’t being mistreated or that their team aren’t doing what they are suppose to for Red Velvet in terms of promotions, scheduling, preparing events and proper stocks, tours, etc. Clearly they haven’t which you can see some of that in the video.
Also, you have no way of knowing if Red Velvet care about the Western market or not. Considering they care about their fans and a lot of their fans are from the west, they would care about their western market and being able to branch out a little.
Them not releasing English music (other than English versions and the English bside on Wendy’s album) is the fault of their team. Turning down the US deal is fully the fault of their team. Them not selling as much in the U.S., again, is the fault of their company for not promoting to the western market and having limited stocks. They literally just started physical album sales in the U.S. for their 10th anniversary.
Yeri didn't deserve the Hate. Irene deserves it. They could have removed Irene after the controversy.