A short video breakdown of the needles and thread sizes and styles that you can use on the Juki DDL series and other industrial single needle sewing machines.
90/14 and 100/16 are only ones you can use, besides maybe 80/12, you will have to retime the hook. I wish more people made sure everyone knew about this. The 100/16 will take you all the way to Tex 60/70 jeans threads. Tex 30 gutermann works well with 80/12 and even 90/14. Tex 40 90/14 is perfect. But sellers not explaining that you'll have to change hook timing for anything but 90/14-100/16 and maybe you get lucky with 80/12 bothers me Like you aren't going to get calls from skipped stitches with smaller and bigger needles? Is it that you want them to send the machine in and charge them to retime the hook? I also recommend you vmbiy a bobbin case for each size of thread you use so you can set the tension once and just switch the bobbin cases for different size threads. Set your bobbin case tension right, then worry about top tension. If bottom is wrong, the top will consistently need to be adjusted
This is not true at all. If that was the case, all machines would have to be retimed as we changed our needs. All machine needles grow from the groove side out. This means the scarf on a 70 needle and 100 needle are in the exact same position.
@@rodstark that's not what my dealer and maintenance tech told me. Or what he showed me on my machine. A 60 barely caught the thread and missed dit 30% of the time and 120 rubbed on the hook. Still could make stitches but will damage the hook over time and possibly break needles at high speed. 110 did touch the hook but wouldn't actually cause issues unless used that size for a long time.
@@2010stoof so, let me explain my comment. I am assuming the machine is 100% and no worn parts. When needles grow in size, they only grow forward, this is very common is all major needle manufacturers. I cannot say of other brands of needles, but we are a distributor of Groz Beckart, Schmetz and some other specialty needles. Now, if I was to talk to a technician about setting up a new machine, yes, we would test with a new size "x" and the thread. We may change the needle size based on thread and material, but needle manufacturers have long since built needles for growth forward. I should place a caveat, there are some very special needles that cannot fit in this category, but they are very rare and likely not to be seen by regular machine customers.
@@rodstark well when he showed me with organ needles it was different it's also why, he said, you can't get above a 120 with dbx1 needles. You need a 8700h with different needlebar. I'm just going by what he showed me with already timed machine. If the scarf was in the same spot (trough part) then a 60 size needle would be so thin on the other side it wouldn't hold up. Now for home sewing machines this may be true and I can understand that but maybe for my industrial needles it's different I don't know. I guess I'll need to check again for myself. Mine has vertical hook do the scarf is to the right side when putting into machine. It's an industrial machine Home machines the scarf goes backward since it has a horizontal hook and works a bit different than a vertical hook does
I have a ddl9000c sms industrial…having a hard time with skipped stitches on stretch fabric…I am using the ballpoint 80/22 needle…still having intermittent problems. Would a smaller needle be better…do you have a recommendation?
How about the Ddl-5550 I’ve tried the DBx1 1738 16-257 90/14 and I have retimed the hook and set the needle bar but it will not clear the case as it comes around almost like the needle is to long?
Tex is not popular in my state. Never heard of them. We have hobby lobby and Joann fabric. We don’t have those choices. I was looking for juki tl 2010 a universal needle with all purpose thread…..
I bought an 8700H. The Juki catalogue and manual both say DBx1 but the dealer said "No" (and supplied) DPx5. I can't make any sense of needle sizing...its a joke and needs to be redone.
Your dealer is correct. The standard DDL-8700 machine takes needle system DBx1, however the DDL-8700H machine takes the DPx5 (also known as 135x5) needles. Sizes 14, 16 and 18 should be in the sweet spot.
Call Goldstar Tool. He knows this machine! I had the same issue. The local repair guy told me the same thing. My needles were too long. It was a $200 house call to fix my machine. Glad I listened to him.
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90/14 and 100/16 are only ones you can use, besides maybe 80/12, you will have to retime the hook.
I wish more people made sure everyone knew about this.
The 100/16 will take you all the way to Tex 60/70 jeans threads.
Tex 30 gutermann works well with 80/12 and even 90/14.
Tex 40 90/14 is perfect.
But sellers not explaining that you'll have to change hook timing for anything but 90/14-100/16 and maybe you get lucky with 80/12 bothers me
Like you aren't going to get calls from skipped stitches with smaller and bigger needles?
Is it that you want them to send the machine in and charge them to retime the hook?
I also recommend you vmbiy a bobbin case for each size of thread you use so you can set the tension once and just switch the bobbin cases for different size threads. Set your bobbin case tension right, then worry about top tension. If bottom is wrong, the top will consistently need to be adjusted
This is not true at all. If that was the case, all machines would have to be retimed as we changed our needs. All machine needles grow from the groove side out. This means the scarf on a 70 needle and 100 needle are in the exact same position.
@@rodstark that's not what my dealer and maintenance tech told me. Or what he showed me on my machine. A 60 barely caught the thread and missed dit 30% of the time and 120 rubbed on the hook. Still could make stitches but will damage the hook over time and possibly break needles at high speed. 110 did touch the hook but wouldn't actually cause issues unless used that size for a long time.
@@2010stoof so, let me explain my comment. I am assuming the machine is 100% and no worn parts. When needles grow in size, they only grow forward, this is very common is all major needle manufacturers. I cannot say of other brands of needles, but we are a distributor of Groz Beckart, Schmetz and some other specialty needles. Now, if I was to talk to a technician about setting up a new machine, yes, we would test with a new size "x" and the thread. We may change the needle size based on thread and material, but needle manufacturers have long since built needles for growth forward. I should place a caveat, there are some very special needles that cannot fit in this category, but they are very rare and likely not to be seen by regular machine customers.
@@rodstark well when he showed me with organ needles it was different it's also why, he said, you can't get above a 120 with dbx1 needles. You need a 8700h with different needlebar.
I'm just going by what he showed me with already timed machine.
If the scarf was in the same spot (trough part) then a 60 size needle would be so thin on the other side it wouldn't hold up.
Now for home sewing machines this may be true and I can understand that but maybe for my industrial needles it's different I don't know.
I guess I'll need to check again for myself. Mine has vertical hook do the scarf is to the right side when putting into machine. It's an industrial machine
Home machines the scarf goes backward since it has a horizontal hook and works a bit different than a vertical hook does
What needle/thread combo do you recommend if using this machine for piecing/quilting?
Very helpful, just got an 8700. Thx.
Excellent thank you
I have a ddl9000c sms industrial…having a hard time with skipped stitches on stretch fabric…I am using the ballpoint 80/22 needle…still having intermittent problems. Would a smaller needle be better…do you have a recommendation?
Is the yellow thread, (strong bonded nylon) is that bonded 69 nylon? Can the Juki DDL sew a thread that thick without wrecking the timing?
What needle size does the Juki DDL 8700H use?
What combination thread/needle for piecing/quilting? Need this infor ASAP!!!
I have a JUKI DDL series, what do I run in the bobbin
How about the Ddl-5550 I’ve tried the DBx1 1738 16-257 90/14 and I have retimed the hook and set the needle bar but it will not clear the case as it comes around almost like the needle is to long?
for heavier wk should be #69 silicone based bonded nylon with size 22 needle
I been using tex 100 and I can't get my bottom stitch perfect. Now I know why.
you actually never went over the needles. Where to find their numbers etc. Good talk on the threads
Tex is not popular in my state. Never heard of them. We have hobby lobby and Joann fabric. We don’t have those choices. I was looking for juki tl 2010 a universal needle with all purpose thread…..
Tex is the thread size not a brand. Standard home sewing machine thread is not a good choice for industrial sewing machines
Please what’s the name of the needle
Do you offer the tex 45? I've been browsing your site and can't find it.
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I bought an 8700H. The Juki catalogue and manual both say DBx1 but the dealer said "No" (and supplied) DPx5. I can't make any sense of needle sizing...its a joke and needs to be redone.
Your dealer is correct. The standard DDL-8700 machine takes needle system DBx1, however the DDL-8700H machine takes the DPx5 (also known as 135x5) needles. Sizes 14, 16 and 18 should be in the sweet spot.
Call Goldstar Tool. He knows this machine! I had the same issue. The local repair guy told me the same thing. My needles were too long. It was a $200 house call to fix my machine. Glad I listened to him.
No cotton thread? Not the one I want.
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