Do you think the mod system is effective at serving its purpose to the community? Tell me why or why not, and when you're done, watch another video I made about the rating system: th-cam.com/video/nk_Ekf6ctro/w-d-xo.html
I don't think it's very efficient because it takes waaay too many mod sends to get a rate most of the time. 2 Ideas to fix it: 1) Rob should rate levels with fewer mod sends 2) Having groups of mods that send all of the rate worthy levels collectively. For example, Wulzy sending a level on his own might not do much, but if the entire Kenos sent that level, the chance of getting a rate would be much higher.
One of the points in this video caught my attention, less popular moderators are better to work with, they have nearly undivided attention when it comes to us creators, moderators with lower publicity is the best way to go.
I agree with this video entirely, but there is another aspect I feel you failed to mention. It is a lot easier to get a non-demon rate as the standards are much lower than that of demons. Demon levels go through a much more rigorous process when they are considered for a rate, needing to go through multiple moderator opinions when determining if the level should be rated. This process can take months to go through, and it often does. The differing opinions of the mods (as mentioned in the video) make it drastically harder for quality demon levels to be rated. You almost need to win the lottery if you want to appease enough mods to get your level rated. This is a major reason in why many CP grinders only make easy levels as they get rated much faster and are way easier to make. Although this aspect of the mod system is often overlooked, it's poor communication to the wider public is often the cause of outrage among many would-be creators.
yeah for me the only reason my own level got rated is because wulzy happened to play it on a level request video (which is fucking insane, lottery was won ig). some other mod didnt even send it for a rate, which shows the sheer inconsistency within moderators' leniency
I wish the standards were more consistent. Even if we might not agree with them, it would still be nice to know what's expected of a rate-worthy level.
The system is pretty crazy. Im a creator who has been building levels for a while. I have a decent amount of sends myself (over 30 within the past few years) and have no cp. Another important factor is often the time levels end up being sent at. Since robtop usually does one rating spree a day the time is drastically more important than the amount of sends. Another thing ive noticed with request servers is sometimes a mod will say they sent the level but it doesnt appear in the magic tab. Its happened a few times to me and Its really confusing why a mod would say they sent a level when it doesn't show up as sent in the game.
Everything said in this video is just plain facts, in 2023 there are just too many good levels. Robtop can't be quick enough to rate every single one of them and work at the updates at the same time. what i mean is that robtop needs a team.
The fact that the mod system is so unfair really bugs me alot. Even when I did not really have bad experiences with it myself. all my levels got 0-3 sends and the sent ones all got rated pretty quickly. there where 3 levels of mine that didnt even get sent and they got featured in the first 3 hours after release (with the fastest being 1.5 hours). This makes me thing not just the mods but also rob having some kidna of bias towoards specific creators. I hate to see my friend's levels get lost on the "no rate zone" when they are MILES better than mine... anyways. good video on this topic and ill hope something will change in the future :)
Oh you had interviewed before? I didnt know that there were an interview in Discord… I also have a story to share with… but you already saw it in the comment section in one of your videos about Rating System.
I got my level played by a mod, and they are usually giving feedback on other people’s levels. Instead, the FVCKING DISLIKED THE LEVEL (which I worked on for 3 months) and didn’t send it
I've watched a few videos from this channel, and you absolutely ROCK!!! You raise SO many "outside the box" and fundamental questions about Geometry Dash that I've been asking since WAY back in 2018! You're awesome dude! And I am SO glad that after recently coming back to this game, I have noticed videos made within the past year of people slowly realizing the realities and issues that we have been seeing for a number of years now! ~ Alexander 😎
Very good video, but i don't like the part where ItsBilly said "it takes up to 10 sends to get the level rated", it feels kinda misleading. Like, imagine being a new creator and hearing that you need that many sends to get your level rated, it would be very demotivating.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 yes off by a long mark. The average is around 3-4 sends before a rate. Also rob once in a while actually only rates levels that with creators with no cp exclusively. You’re vid is more misleading then true. Even though the system isn’t good for gd ratings
getting into moderator livestreams is insanely exaggerated in this video. With some mods, they stream requests often and it is easy to get a level to them. Also, one reason a level may have a lot of sends and not be rated is because robtop does not see star rate sends. with all of my 3 rated levels, my first creator point only took 1 send to get rated, my 2nd one took 5 (4 star rate sends, then a feature), and my 3rd took 2. Another thing is, with 2:24, are you expecting all mods to be the same? No, some will like one style more then others, just find a mod with standards that fits your style, it really isnt that hard.
I’m not exaggerating anything lol, I’m just reading what I was told by people who have experience with the mod system. I’m happy for you that your levels were rated relatively quickly, but from the research I’ve done, it seems that your experience is uncommon.
Part 2: Yes, I think all mods should do this. Rating standards need to be consistent across all moderators, because it takes more than one send to get a rated level usually.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Yea, usually it takes more then 1 send to get a level rated, but if you just never quit creating, then there is a 100% chance you will get creator points. A mistake a lot of people do is make 1 level and rely on it to get rated, even if it gets a ton of sends, the best way to go about is to create more levels. I own a demon with 6 feature sends and 1 star rate send that hasnt been rated due to the demon system, and I dont think its ever going to get rated. complaining about a single level not getting rated when you can be spending that time making a new level improving, and giving you an even higher chance at a rate is the best way.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Ok, it took me 20 levels to get my first rate. People usually just make like 5 levels and then complain when they dont get rated.
Mod sends are wack man, I had 17 sends from various mods and the ONLY REASON IT GOT RATED was because rob did an ama on reddit, where a friend used their mod powers to pin a comment asking him to rate it (which he did), it's really funny but also goes to show the absurd rng of it all
ok so i think that the mod system is really goofy and inconsistent. getting your level sent is really hard (for reasons explained in the video). also robtop rating levels is also inconsistent: some levels having way more efforts put into them only get rated/featured, while some others get epic-rated my personal experience with my level: basically, i sent it in a moderator server (which is very popular i think), and helpers did not send it. i complained in the chat, and they said that they did not send it to the server moderators because it was "too messy". it wasn't really constructive feedback. later, 2 members of the server dm'ed me. one of them gave me feedback, and the other one sent it to a moderator, who sent the level a few hours before rate time so it had a higher chance of getting rated. i think i was lucky enough for the level to be featured, but robtop placed it on page 40 in the featured tab, and i think the level probably deserved epic rate (im not sure). robtop is not consistent with the featured level placement in the featured tab, and usually places levels of kinda-well-known creators in the first pages, and put the "new creator"'s level in later pages. this causes the level to get less recognition. i guess i was pretty lucky to get my level rated.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 its alright. at least i got my first rate, and my friends (who have been supporting me) and i are happy! im just sad because it could have been placed on page 1 or 2 in the featured tab
@@TheBester7 I think I know what level you are talking about, I wouldn't complain where something gets placed on featured tab, because when I played the level, it was good, yea. But I dont think it really deserved epic as you say, because the gameplay was just really strange and the decoration was really unpolished. GG on first creator points tho
@@thearmyants. thanks! i wasn't sure if it should be rated epic, but the placement in the feature tab was quite unfair when we see the efforts i put into the level, imo. (i guess you guessed its Dreams)
@@TheBester7 yea, I put a ton of efforts in to my levels and they are all star rated, but as long as you keep improving and create more levels, the feature placement will keep on getting higher and higher and one day you will get an epic.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 In the video you seem to be mostly talking about how moderators don't give good feedback and have really high standards, and then you randomly switch to talking about how levels with a lot of sends don't get rated. It just feels very out of place
Do you think the mod system is effective at serving its purpose to the community? Tell me why or why not, and when you're done, watch another video I made about the rating system: th-cam.com/video/nk_Ekf6ctro/w-d-xo.html
no, not at all
No i don't think so
I don't think it's very efficient because it takes waaay too many mod sends to get a rate most of the time.
2 Ideas to fix it:
1) Rob should rate levels with fewer mod sends
2) Having groups of mods that send all of the rate worthy levels collectively. For example, Wulzy sending a level on his own might not do much, but if the entire Kenos sent that level, the chance of getting a rate would be much higher.
One of the points in this video caught my attention, less popular moderators are better to work with, they have nearly undivided attention when it comes to us creators, moderators with lower publicity is the best way to go.
I agree with this video entirely, but there is another aspect I feel you failed to mention. It is a lot easier to get a non-demon rate as the standards are much lower than that of demons. Demon levels go through a much more rigorous process when they are considered for a rate, needing to go through multiple moderator opinions when determining if the level should be rated. This process can take months to go through, and it often does. The differing opinions of the mods (as mentioned in the video) make it drastically harder for quality demon levels to be rated. You almost need to win the lottery if you want to appease enough mods to get your level rated. This is a major reason in why many CP grinders only make easy levels as they get rated much faster and are way easier to make. Although this aspect of the mod system is often overlooked, it's poor communication to the wider public is often the cause of outrage among many would-be creators.
Yoooo thanks for showing Crystalline in the background :)! Anyways, amazing vid, thanks for highlighting some issues the mod system has
yeah for me the only reason my own level got rated is because wulzy happened to play it on a level request video (which is fucking insane, lottery was won ig). some other mod didnt even send it for a rate, which shows the sheer inconsistency within moderators' leniency
I wish the standards were more consistent. Even if we might not agree with them, it would still be nice to know what's expected of a rate-worthy level.
The system is pretty crazy. Im a creator who has been building levels for a while. I have a decent amount of sends myself (over 30 within the past few years) and have no cp. Another important factor is often the time levels end up being sent at. Since robtop usually does one rating spree a day the time is drastically more important than the amount of sends. Another thing ive noticed with request servers is sometimes a mod will say they sent the level but it doesnt appear in the magic tab. Its happened a few times to me and Its really confusing why a mod would say they sent a level when it doesn't show up as sent in the game.
Robtop just needs a team to work with him on creating the game or moderation accepting levels rate
Everything said in this video is just plain facts, in 2023 there are just too many good levels. Robtop can't be quick enough to rate every single one of them and work at the updates at the same time. what i mean is that robtop needs a team.
yes
The fact that the mod system is so unfair really bugs me alot. Even when I did not really have bad experiences with it myself. all my levels got 0-3 sends and the sent ones all got rated pretty quickly. there where 3 levels of mine that didnt even get sent and they got featured in the first 3 hours after release (with the fastest being 1.5 hours). This makes me thing not just the mods but also rob having some kidna of bias towoards specific creators. I hate to see my friend's levels get lost on the "no rate zone" when they are MILES better than mine...
anyways. good video on this topic and ill hope something will change in the future :)
Oh you had interviewed before? I didnt know that there were an interview in Discord…
I also have a story to share with… but you already saw it in the comment section in one of your videos about Rating System.
Yeah, I think I did
tnx for includeing me in vid
I got my level played by a mod, and they are usually giving feedback on other people’s levels. Instead, the FVCKING DISLIKED THE LEVEL (which I worked on for 3 months) and didn’t send it
That’s kinda rude. Did they give you any feedback?
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 nope
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 they finished the level, disliked it, and then continued on
@@Ferret90 wtf
@@thearmyants. Reply to NewPlayer so they get notified
I've watched a few videos from this channel, and you absolutely ROCK!!! You raise SO many "outside the box" and fundamental questions about Geometry Dash that I've been asking since WAY back in 2018! You're awesome dude! And I am SO glad that after recently coming back to this game, I have noticed videos made within the past year of people slowly realizing the realities and issues that we have been seeing for a number of years now!
~ Alexander 😎
Wow, thanks a lot! I’m flattered!
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 You're very Welcomed! No problem. ;)
Very good video, but i don't like the part where ItsBilly said "it takes up to 10 sends to get the level rated", it feels kinda misleading. Like, imagine being a new creator and hearing that you need that many sends to get your level rated, it would be very demotivating.
But is what he’s saying untrue?
„for me it was 7-10“ i get what you say but it was my personal experience with mods, i just got unlucky
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 It was true, but the way you structured it to sound is what I'm not a fan of
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 yes off by a long mark. The average is around 3-4 sends before a rate. Also rob once in a while actually only rates levels that with creators with no cp exclusively. You’re vid is more misleading then true. Even though the system isn’t good for gd ratings
@@vrtjeroenmuller6103 Lol, tell that to the guy who has actual experience with the mod system and said that the average was 7-10.
getting into moderator livestreams is insanely exaggerated in this video. With some mods, they stream requests often and it is easy to get a level to them. Also, one reason a level may have a lot of sends and not be rated is because robtop does not see star rate sends. with all of my 3 rated levels, my first creator point only took 1 send to get rated, my 2nd one took 5 (4 star rate sends, then a feature), and my 3rd took 2. Another thing is, with 2:24, are you expecting all mods to be the same? No, some will like one style more then others, just find a mod with standards that fits your style, it really isnt that hard.
I’m not exaggerating anything lol, I’m just reading what I was told by people who have experience with the mod system. I’m happy for you that your levels were rated relatively quickly, but from the research I’ve done, it seems that your experience is uncommon.
Part 2:
Yes, I think all mods should do this. Rating standards need to be consistent across all moderators, because it takes more than one send to get a rated level usually.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Yea, usually it takes more then 1 send to get a level rated, but if you just never quit creating, then there is a 100% chance you will get creator points. A mistake a lot of people do is make 1 level and rely on it to get rated, even if it gets a ton of sends, the best way to go about is to create more levels. I own a demon with 6 feature sends and 1 star rate send that hasnt been rated due to the demon system, and I dont think its ever going to get rated. complaining about a single level not getting rated when you can be spending that time making a new level improving, and giving you an even higher chance at a rate is the best way.
@@thearmyants. The people who can’t get rates have made more than one level; what you’re saying isn’t exactly groundbreaking…
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 Ok, it took me 20 levels to get my first rate. People usually just make like 5 levels and then complain when they dont get rated.
Mod sends are wack man, I had 17 sends from various mods and the ONLY REASON IT GOT RATED was because rob did an ama on reddit, where a friend used their mod powers to pin a comment asking him to rate it (which he did), it's really funny but also goes to show the absurd rng of it all
It’s really bad…
legendary video fr, rob really needs more people to help him with the game
And they should all eat carbonara pasta while rating levels
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 frfr
I just noticed that you’re underrated
Thank you
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 welcome
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 hope you get famous soon
this game is doomed as it is i think the best decision is to just get a TEAM OF PEOPLE
Like fr robtop hold up a mobile game from 2013 forever
That’s Awesome! Cheers!🥂❤️✨
🤖?
ok so i think that the mod system is really goofy and inconsistent. getting your level sent is really hard (for reasons explained in the video). also robtop rating levels is also inconsistent: some levels having way more efforts put into them only get rated/featured, while some others get epic-rated
my personal experience with my level: basically, i sent it in a moderator server (which is very popular i think), and helpers did not send it. i complained in the chat, and they said that they did not send it to the server moderators because it was "too messy". it wasn't really constructive feedback. later, 2 members of the server dm'ed me. one of them gave me feedback, and the other one sent it to a moderator, who sent the level a few hours before rate time so it had a higher chance of getting rated. i think i was lucky enough for the level to be featured, but robtop placed it on page 40 in the featured tab, and i think the level probably deserved epic rate (im not sure). robtop is not consistent with the featured level placement in the featured tab, and usually places levels of kinda-well-known creators in the first pages, and put the "new creator"'s level in later pages. this causes the level to get less recognition.
i guess i was pretty lucky to get my level rated.
Dang, sorry about that
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 its alright. at least i got my first rate, and my friends (who have been supporting me) and i are happy! im just sad because it could have been placed on page 1 or 2 in the featured tab
@@TheBester7 I think I know what level you are talking about, I wouldn't complain where something gets placed on featured tab, because when I played the level, it was good, yea. But I dont think it really deserved epic as you say, because the gameplay was just really strange and the decoration was really unpolished. GG on first creator points tho
@@thearmyants. thanks! i wasn't sure if it should be rated epic, but the placement in the feature tab was quite unfair when we see the efforts i put into the level, imo.
(i guess you guessed its Dreams)
@@TheBester7 yea, I put a ton of efforts in to my levels and they are all star rated, but as long as you keep improving and create more levels, the feature placement will keep on getting higher and higher and one day you will get an epic.
Is this video about the system itself or the moderators behind it?
A little bit of both I guess
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 In the video you seem to be mostly talking about how moderators don't give good feedback and have really high standards, and then you randomly switch to talking about how levels with a lot of sends don't get rated. It just feels very out of place
Nah im just wondering what the solution is 💀
Your best bet is moderators that aren’t popular such as ShakeOffX,RockWizard5, or Howler.
They don’t know about the.
clothsline
in conclusion: it sucks lmfaoo
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It took me 4 sends and a week and a half to get a mod send and a rate.
It wasn’t bad.
Good, I’m happy for you.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301update: hit 5 mod sends for feature with no rate. Gotta disagree with my past self.
@@codysmith8639 Unfortunate.
@@rootbeerfloathaspop3301 lol