Comparative Tests On A Human And A Chimpanzee Infant Of Approximately The Same Age, Pt 2
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- Comparative Tests On A Human And A Chimpanzee Infant Of Approximately The Same Age, Pt 2 (1932)
Compares the reactions of a normal human infant between the ages of 10 and 14.5 months to psychological tests, and the responses of a chimpanzee companion, age 7.5 to 12 months, to the same tests. Brings out the effects of different rates of growth and learning abilities and illustrates the capacity of the animal to outdo the child in many tests. Includes hand preference, startle reaction time, delayed reaction, cap-on-head, detour, tickle, ice and rotation tests.
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People feel sorry for the chimp, but imagine what things were like for the human baby as well. Being a specimen in a study like that. That boy was constantly evaluated and tested instead of accepted and protected. He grew up to be a high achiever, waited for his parents to die and commited suicide. You can read it up on Wikipedia.
I cannot find anywhere that he committed suicide, just that he died the following year after his parents died. Where did you see that he committed suicide?
@@Starfish_Duder si así es se suicido
Can you link the Wikipedia article.
I don't normally like replying to comments that are so old, but... I want to gently emphasize that people commit suicide for a great many reasons. The only person who can tell us why Donald committed suicide is Donald. One does not need to be raised along side an ape to have problems. Please. People with depression are not inherently broken because of matters of raising.
Additionally, when I search for information about this topic, I find two types of writings: The first are texts about what happened, the details and the situation. The second is people being outraged and angry about what happened.
The outrage and anger is understandable--very few of us would consider taking a wild creature from it's home and raising it as a human along side another child. It seems like a very ethically dubious thing to do. However, when people are angry, they are prone to exaggerate. They're prone to stretch the truth.
And, this isn't a circumstance of one person telling a giant lie to deceive the world, not usually. Not for stuff like this. It's one person says something like "and how much would that fuck a person up? Donald killed himself later, you know?" and someone then says "Donald was really fucked up as an adult and killed himself." and someone else says "This Donald killed himself because of this thing that happened "
It's a big game of telephone. We just don't know what happened. and while theres no doubt that this was ethically kinda fucked up, its not fair to say "and this is why"
@@jenetikitty What you say is very important and I completely agree. Noone knows, why he committed suicide, and it is usually not because of “one reason”. Even more, for most people, suicidality is only a short period of time which would pass, which makes fulfilled suicides all the more tragic. Reports from “Brooklyn Bridge survivors” are an example of this. Still, I think great caution is advised when performing experiments on children. Don’t get me wrong, I think with today’s experiments in 99,9% of the cases, no harm is being done to the kids and the research can help a lot of people. But this is different in that the researchers were also the parents, and the boy did not participate in a study and then go home, the study was his life. I think that might hold some great risks for a parent-child relationship and healthy development.
what the FUCK were they thinking shooting a gun with no hearing protection 1 foot away from them? That's permanent hearing damage for LIFE. Not even just for the baby and chimp but for pretty much everyone in that whole scene.
Max Loh People weren't pussies back then, like they are now.
I doubt it's a real gun, probably a starter pistol (blank handgun) people used to start races.
Starter guns are just as loud as guns that fire live ammo
😡😤 Horrible
@@davidmarzolino7159 You're funny, bravery to you is not caring about long-term health?
It only shows how we humans changed, especially the empathy and ethics. In just 90 years, now I'm wondered how people gonna look at us in the next 90 years
I read that when the experimentation was complete they shipped the chimp off to a lab where it developed pneumonia and died within a year. The scientists/parents of the child spent the majority of their time abroad leaving their child behind. They both died in either a plane or a car wreck and their son later wound up taking his own life.
wow
Chimps kid was more lovable, intelligent, and energetic. However his wild energy couldn't let him sit in peace.
Am I the only one that finds the chair scene disturbing? There is no way as a mom that I could just stand back while some white coat spun my child around until he's bawling then man handle his face trying to pry the kids eyes open.
the researchers were actually the kids parents
@@dannydevito560 which makes the whole thing just that much more disturbing. I had read in the comments that the parents both died in an accident or something along the line of dying the same year as the other parent (later when the child was an adult) and shortly thereafter the adult child committed suicide. I researched for some time and the only thing I could find was that he did in fact die shortly after his parents, but could not find any confirmation on cause of death. The chimpanzee was given to some lab once testing ceased with her human "brother" and she died within 2years of complications from lung infection/flu. Very sad outcome for everyone in my opinion, but then again I've always been told I'm to empathetic and a "bleeding heart".
Motherof Angels dangg :((
@@motherofangels1710 bleeding heart? whats that mean?
@@thinginground5179 bleeding heart is - a person considered to be dangerously softhearted.
anyone who dares to do these tests on children would be arrested today
Oh they do, its called gender reassignment
If they were caught, and weren't being funded by powerful elites, then yes.
Not really google gender queer babies
This is just the extended version of the ' 7 days' tape in the Ring...
Ahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahaahhahahahahahgahahahahahahhahahaha
That was very interesting and very disturbing at the same time... poor chimp and poor baby...
Anyone who feels the need to "punish" a baby, should not be allowed to reproduce.
punishment although bad is necessary for learning and training. Some punishments like slapping, yelling, or scolding are too extreme and should not be used and are ineffective. Others like getting an item/toy taken away, childproofing objects, time out, or letting them face the consequences of their actions, helps them with learning right from wrong and allows them to learn useful things. Like proper bathroom use, how to follow rules, and make sure they are safe by making good decisions while growing up.
You are wrong af, "punishment" done the right way is good and is necessary for learning certain stuff
Anyone who thinks kids are better off without any punishment for bad actions , are EXACTLY the ones that should not be allowed to reproduce...
It's becuase of them that we got soo many manchildren today , because they were never corrected when young
@@Dan_Kanerva pretty based ngl
As I kinda was one of those kids...
Ok, Hitler 🤣
Casal de monstros!
Tanto a criança quanto o animal não merecem ser tratados assim.
Concordo até q fim brasileiros aqui
Agreed :(
Why I'm feeling nostalgic that too this is 1931 - 32 clips. I'm fan of these old clips that too experiments. These legends had taught 21st century will be advanced but :)
Un hombre notablemente loco, como experimentar con su propio hijo😤
Hi, do you have parts I, III, IV, and V. I am a historian working with this material and could pay (some, not a lot) to have access.
These tests are interesting because you can see both the reactions of test subjects and the behavior between scientists.
No these Tests are a problem
@@Elena-fh2xo every test is a problem , the scientist job is to find a solution
@@Dan_Kanerva Yes the Nazi scientists solved many problems for humanity.
That child commited suicide
@therationalcenter667
Alright, time to take a nap, Grandpa.
I know you feel bad for the baby but these tests just clarify that we should treatprimates more like a cousin race... Instead of animals
to be fair tho, both of these are just babies. Would be interesting to see how two teenagers or two adults would compare with different tasks.
I really need to go look up the literature on these "studies" to see what the point of all this was. From the film, I can't imagine what most of them were even trying to accomplish.
All you needed to do was read the description - it's quite explicit.
"..illustrates the capacity of the animal to outdo the child in many tests. Includes hand preference, startle reaction time, delayed reaction, cap-on-head, detour, tickle, ice and rotation tests."
+Sheldon Helms ...I know your post is quite old, but thought I would respond anyway. The study is quite infamous actually (for the tragic lives of the two participants, Donald and Gua, who came from the original Yerkes Primate Center), but it was essentially about human verses chimpanzee developmental rates and nurture's impact on humanization (Kellogg was especially interested in teaching an Ape language, apparently not understanding that Chimps lack the vocal structures and brain structures necessary for human speech). The researchers (the child's parents, sadly) raised them as twins. What they did not anticipate is that instead of what they wanted the Chimp to do, the opposite happened, the child (Donald) would pick up chimpanzee traits as well, including vocalizations (which I have read delayed his language development and they found quite disturbing). He also picked up other Chimp behaviors, including biting and reverting to crawling like a Chimp, rather than walking.
Because of this, they ended the study very early and underestimated the impact this would have on the two participants. The chimpanzee, Gua, failed to ever thrive once she was back at Yerkes and died as a young infant (I believe I recall she died of pneumonia less than a year after being separated from the only family she knew, the Kelloggs and her human brother, Donald). The child, Donald, likewise was now developmentally delayed and very depressed for many years and finally committed suicide many years later. This "study" is part of what ended these "apes as part of the family" type of studies. What Kellogg ultimately discovered was the opposite of his hypothesis, the human child was more easily made Chimp-like or like a feral child (what interested him in the first place), than the Chimp was made human-like (although she did beat Donald at several tasks and learned things much quicker in the first months of the study). Very sad story all around.
+DanaTS thanks for the information. That was very sad but interesting. Never thought that only few years of childhood (rather say babyhood) gives such a great impact to Donald baby's brain development.
DanaTS if all is true interesting and even if not still interesting... im going to go dig now
Great post, Dana! Thanks for sharing.
Really poor little baby. He've treated together with simpanze and didn't get moral education etc. how bad is it.
U dont get the point, do ya ?
Que crueldade .
The sad thing is Donald committed suicide in the age of 43
And it has nothing to do with this...
@@DeMooniC i mean donald is that baby only
Leonard Hofstadter childhood🤭
これが公に研究されていたなんて…本当に悪魔な研究者だ。
It's very hard to sit still while watching him push open their eyes impatiently for a meaningless test. A part of me would enjoy seeing that man have suffered a brutal punishment, I hope his wife was able to get out of it
People were heartless bastards before WW2 i.e. 1945-55. When their blood thirst was fulfilled in most fearsome war of human history, only then they started understanding how a society works, and most importantly, how to curb your boiling blood for even minor quibbles. The overtly selfish nature of this 1930's generation was main reason for two world wars and good thing both sides killed hefty amount of degenerates of that time. And the rest took their lesson and now we have the most progressive, peaceful and paradise society with prosperity, no matter how much people cry nowadays. The new generations, especially Gen Z's, can't even survive two days in 1930's. Not because they are weak but the awerul morals and ethics would make them believe they are in a place worst than hell
*aweful
@@vault911
Awful*
the infant is a paid actor
Who else is here from Prof Sapolsky's 2010 lecture?
Is that lecture on TH-cam? If so, could you share the title so I can find it?
El experimento se planeaba fuera de 5 años pero duro 9 meses, quisieron mandar al chimpancé con más de su especie pero murió después de un año ahí y el chico creció se especializó en psicología pero se sUicidO a los 43 años.
Yo me hubiera quedado al mono, despues de criarlo tantos meses estaba feo abandonarlo de esa forma. El humano vivió 43 años, asi que su suicidio no tiene nada que ver con el experimento
How did I ended up here lol
is this Caesar
The problem is i dont think that child gave a shit
Cada vez que se ha hecho convivir al ser humano con otra especie y ver los resultados han sido fatales,queda comprobado que es muy perjudicial para el ser humano someterlo a este tipo de experimentos.
Pero aquí lo dejaron sólo 9 meses, no dio mucho tiempo a que fuera fatal. Lo interesante era dejar los 5 años y ver realmente cómo se desarrollaba. Pero en vez de eso, dejaron abandonado al pobre simio que falleció porque el que consideraba su padre le dejó tirado como a una bestia. El niño por su parte, llegó a crecer y a tener una vida humana normal hasta los 43 años, cuando se suicidó después de la muerte de sus padres. Lo cual no deja de ser curioso, murió de una forma parecida al chimpancé, ambos de cierta forma estuvieron atados hasta el final de sus dias y murieron por no soportar estar lejos de sus progenitores
@@alvarogarcia8880 qué buena deducción, pero a lo mejor el "niño" se suicidó por otros motivos.
@@lauracerongomez266 Si, no podemos saberlo
Y Tarzan que onda ?
una bestia
Cómo un papá puede hacer eso con su hijo?
La ciencia no mide consecuencia lastimosamente
Si muy triste, asustarlo con el ruido de una pistola y le dio tantas vueltas en esa silla que el pobre lloraba y el papa solo queria verle los ojos para ver si daban vueltas. Triste por eso seguro se suicido el hijo
Para que la ciencia avance hay que hacer sacrificios
@@paoh9860 JAJAJA si si, seguro un hombre de 42 años se suicida por el trauma que le causo que su padre lo gire en una silla cuando era bebe... O un ruido fuerte?
No digas boludeces, pensa con la cabeza. Ningún adulto se suicida por cosas tan tontas. No digo que el experimento haya estado bien, seguro algún trauma de algún tipo le causo, pero de ahí que fuera la razón para su suicido son palabras mayores.
@@DeMooniC Ya veo que no viste todo el video ni leíste hacerca de el. No lo dije por las vueltas que le dio al niño solamente sino por todo lo que ese niño paso. No enseñarle a hablar y tratarlo como un animal eso es cruel. Soy mujer por cierto.
The human ended his life in his forties.
Wait, does spinning cause nystagmus? I've never thought of checking (probably b/c i'm always outdoors and closing my eyes....aaand was a kid and didn't know what nystagmus was.
It did for me as a kid. I used to twist up this big tree swing, get on it, then just let it spin like mad. The moment it stopped and I got off the swing my eyes would definitely dart back and forth for several seconds, reguardless if my eyes were open or close. How I never got sick from that I will never know o.O
Same behavioue of animals in the zoo and people during lockdown.
I'm not really sure what point this served, but it's entertaining.
Understanding how much environment can alter our cognitive abilities, ability to learn and adapt, especially focused on the chimp, to see how different the two species are.
It came out the kid started to behave like a chimp so they stopped the experiments, from what i've heard.
It's so unscientific lol but it is cool watching the chimp
Didnt serve because they interrupted the experiment 4 years and 3 months before than planned. The interesting thing was to check the long term consequences, but they cancelled at 9 months
産まれた元が悪かったとしかいいようがない。可哀想な赤ちゃん。
Voice is missing
the home movies of that time had no sound, the cinematic sound was beginning and for home movies it wasn't affordable
return to monke
The spinning chair scene is a fave of mine.
It looks like the baby was hurt after words.
The whole thing is cruel, but that and the freaking GUNSHOT would have both of the "specimens" removed from their care in this day and age. I'm glad enough people have seen the light over time. Still... Not enough enlightenment, as you have just demonstrated.
people are talking about how cruel everything here is, but remember, this was during the Great depression. People were dying left and right, and there were many kids who became orphans because of their parents abandoning them or dying. This kid was lucky that they had a parent who was able to support and provide for him. If releasing a valuable scientific article to have a steady source of income was the cost of performing minor unethical experiments, it was completely worth it.
The circumstances of economy, guardianship, or death statistics does not give any man (or woman) the right to act inhumane to another. Not even in "the name of science".
@@motherofangels1710 Thank you 👏
Yes, things were very different in that century.
The human kid committed suicide later in life and his parents said they regretted the whole experiment because of how he was treated both as a child and as an adult. The chimp herself was evicted from the home after only 9 months and died a year later from a comprised immune system. This was never worth it even during this time.
@@Bestiola Utilitarianism is the belief that the sole standard of morality is determined by its usefulness or utility.
There are a number of problems with utilitarianism. It leads to an “end justifies the means” mentality. If any worthwhile end can justify the means to attain it, a true ethical foundation is lost.
The ends never justify the means if those means involve being dishonest or harmful to others, period.
What is wrong with these people.. very disturbing.. that's their son. A defensive child & animal.. something wrong with them
Baby at 10:22 "-why the fuck are you doing this??!.." :))
He’s not a baby he’s like 90 years old now
Dumbass
14:30 😰pure baby
Que horror de padre pobre niño
Creepy asf
That’s how Donald trump arrived
HAHAHA
what kind of disgusting ice is this?
I love these tests, that monkey is so funny and cute, and it is cool to compare the behaviors between both creatures, the human and the ape
No its not
@@Elena-fh2xo because you think passionally and I think rationally
@@alvarogarcia8880 both of them got hurt its not a good thing
@@cyberdazz2115 but still very interesting
@@alvarogarcia8880 Yes, but it's something that shouldn't be allowed to happen in the future.
mentally ill
The chimp reacts just like Trump?
You can talk shit about trump but the moment anyone say anything about you, we better look out! Hypocrite.
Chimps are related to humans. You'd react like a chimp too.
You talk shit but you hate mean tweets and think trump is racist. You better hope no one talks shit about you. Cause seeing as how you dish it out you can't dish it in.
The most cruel n evil experiments in the era
That baby was crying so much not funny