@@TheOmegaInitiative I can't remember exactly but I thing he would basically slip in and out of consciousness for decades until he managed to roll back his systems to an earlier version. By that time vegas was already in ruin.
@@TheOmegaInitiative maybe, but I have a feeling it was later. House mentioned that Vegas was inhabited by tribals when he work up and we didn't really see tribes forming up until fallout 2. (Edit) Forgot there were tribes in tactics
I love the irony with this ending in relation to the master's plans. The master wanted to unify people under a new race, but by becoming a threat to humanity, he's inadvertently unified everyone against him. He achieved his goal, just not the way he wanted.
It’s amusing how fallout is what people in the 90s thought people in the 60s expected the year 2070 to be like, 50 years after a nuclear war, in a pulpy sci-fi Mad-Max anarchistic hellscape that slowly returns to civilization. And this time with more Hulk mutants and less humans.
Hate to necro-post, but this isn't even alternate history. It's more like the alternate history of a possible future, based on an alternate history. It's a different past from the perspective of a different future based on a different past.
A similar scenario could occur if vault 13 never had a problem with the water chip. In fallout 2 it’s mentioned in vault 8’s computer records that vault 8 was supplied with a surplus of water chips due to some kind of shipment error. If the water chips were distributed evenly between the vaults as intended then it could also result in this alternate history scenario.
The thing is the Master sought out vault dwellers due to their status as "prime normals" who are completely untouched from radiation or trace exposure to FEV in the wasteland. Mutants made from this breed of humans are much much more capable and intelligent. It stands to reason if the water chip never broke the master wouldn't find the vault in time to give his army the strength it needs.
@@VannMunson very true. If the water chip never gave out Jacorean wouldn’t have been sending other VD’s out either. So there’s less chance of someone else realising they had seen people with a 13 on their backs. Essentially if not for the water chip Vault 13 may have remained totally isolated and hidden.
It would never last though, when the BoS learn the enclaves mission they would stop the helping them. Unless they can convince the entire enclave that their mission is wrong
@@MrMadre I feel like they’d be able to convince some of them but not all turning it into a civil war within the enclave since not all of the enclave was bad
@@freki3545 fun fact: The crawler at the enclave base in the airport was destroyed by what is quite seriously nukes, how the player survived even from that distance is a miracle
They'd also immediately start releasing Deathclaw slaves and probably start taking over strategic places like Big Mt and using their experimental weaponry.
The hopeful ending in a nutshell The master:your already a mutant, ready to join us Frank horrigan:time to die mutie The master and 5 other super mutants: *do 500 damage in a turn* Frank horrigan: *laughs* that tickled *one shots the master with his hands*
@@TheOmegaInitiative comment was satire In all honesty, the master probably would of ran out of FEV before he could of found a way to fix the sterilization problem. The way it makes males sterile is fev will target every cell including the DNA when males reproduce. He would run out of fev, then dumb mutants, then the smart ones would probably disband/make a community when things hit the shitter. Once he runs out of FEV, its just going to be a slow death for the unity because even though they can't die of old age/rads/disease, whatever is in the wasteland will slowly pick them off
@@AImpatientMan I mean, there are other sources of FEV in the wasteland. Less refined versions, but I’m sure the Master would be able to improve upon them.
Mr House might wake up if the Master’s army entered Nevada. I believe he said the reason why he went online is because he detected the NCR entering Vegas and knew he had to greet them and show them he was not something they could just conquer.
the problem is House would really need to upgrade quickly as F his army since they are really underpowered against this kind of massive treat :s, the moment house lose this, is game over for Vegas, if House is able to upgrade his army, is game over for the master
@@BelegornHK if House were awoken due to an influx of mutants, chances are he could trick some of them into giving him the chip and helping him upgrade the securitrons without anyone ever knowing.
@@BelegornHKI don't know about that bt this point the master has conqueored a largee chunk of america and has been growing his army for over a century at this point. Its not gonnna just crumble justcause he gets the platinum chip.
@@Spicystachegamer The Master's army wouldn't crumble, but having Mk. 2 Securitrons would make conquering Nevada an absolute nightmare. Assuming the securitrons are re-awakened at the Fort and are all upgraded to the Mk. 2 model, The Master would be stuck in a logistical hellhole as he has to deal with both the Brotherhood and the Enclave's alliance while their forces in the south have to fight off Securitrons armed with explosive ordinance, and lots of them. He could try to brute force House and his Securitrons, but it'd be extremely costly and would likely leave them vulnerable to an attack from an outside force such as the Enclave/BoS alliance. His best option would be to employ stealth and try to attack covertly, but The Master only has so many intelligent mutants at his disposal to carry out such attacks, and the Nightkin are unreliable at best. House, who would most likely have calculated all the odds if he can get a feel for the numbers on The Master's side, would expect either outcome and be prepared for each. It'd just be a bad situation in general for The Master when your enemy doesn't feel the loss of numbers that heavily and can repair itself mid-battle.
I’ve thought about this too and also concluded that the Brotherhood and the Enclave would team up eventually to take on the Master, with the two groups either becoming staunch allies or maybe turning on each other after the common threat had been eliminated.
The Brotherhood would be gone long before the Enclave would have been alerted to anything. If you play Fallout 1 with the mutant invasions enabled, the Master's armies destroy absolutely everything if you take too long.
@@Thagomizer well yeah sure, eventually. But we don’t know how much of a time jump there is from the failure end of the game to the super mutant army storming into Maxson. And I’m pretty sure that at the time the plot to Fallout 1 was written, they didn’t even have a clear concept of the Enclave Oil Rig and the base at Navarro. I would say it would take a while for the Super Mutants to break in. It would be a siege. The Enclave Vertibirds would see that these power armored soldiers would some of the last people resisting the mutants and come in with guns blazing. Or not. The Emclave are dicks.
@@chrisamon4551 There's already a pretty definitive answer to how long they would last. You're supposed to get the bad Brotherhood ending if the Master is still alive after 170 days. The mutants will also find Vault 13 in 500 days, or 400 if you happen to share its location with the water merchants in the Hub. Of course, they could find it a lot sooner if the Vault Dweller surrenders to the Lieutenant immediately after reaching Necropolis, so exactly how the Vault Dweller fails in this scenario is relevant, too. I just assumed we were trying to construct a timeline in which the Vault Dweller's influence is excised as much as possible.
I think it’d analogous to the Brotherhood and NCR around the time of Fallout 2. They allied together to defeat the Enclave, but had no reason to tolerate each other once the common threat was eliminated
i mean cerano armor plating would have been a no brainer for prewar scientists to research aswell and with the enclaves research making it easier to maintain and manufacture then im actually amazed no one thought of it before fallout 4 to implement it even as a really rare suit
I mean, I always looked at it as just a renaming for the advanced power armor for the 3D fallout universe. Like, giving it a proper production model naming scheme, since it's a similar jump in technology as T45 to T51. Maybe it's something like T45A vs. T45D. T-XX denotes a baseline design, and sub designations represent improvements upon the baseline design. So, enclave armor from the older games could be thought of as just X-0, and the design iteration that is accepted as the baseline for full-scale production and deployment ends up being X-01. Again though, I feel like it was initially just done to refresh the naming scheme to something that was more in line with the other power armors.
I'm imagining the Unity patrolling through Washington when they suddenly hear the Warlord Titan warhorn sfx and see a VERY angry Liberty Prime stomping towards them.
Interesting stuff. My thoughts were simply "well it doesn't matter since the Enclave will just genocide everyone in 80 years" before this, but you've given me more to think about
@@TheOmegaInitiative well if the Master expands production then it won’t become hard, when the time comes, for the Enclave to covertly grab themselves some FEV. The only thing they’ll be missing is the test subjects like those from arroyo village (which won’t exist) and a control vault (which may be accessible).
@@Jsipki265 We never got a true sense of how powerful the Enclave was originally meant to be. Or what they may have been capable of digging up. It's possible they could have had cells/other groups. Had abandoned bases they could re-activate with useful toys. Something like a stealth bomber with a bunker-buster doesn't sound too far out of the realm of possibility. I mean from a F2 lore creation standpoint, though. By the time things get handed off to Bethesda it's hard for me to really see it as canon.
I personally think it'd be interesting if the calculator's robots fought the institute, or even 4's mechanist, but I think their means of production would be too far apart from one another to reach eachother effectively.
without the ncr there is no legion. Caesar was created by the NCR without the NCR he would have been shot whilst a kid by a raider, or maybe the followers wouldn't exist, either way no NCR = no Caesar.
@@mappingshaman5280 I think that considering Caesar's potential he would've become a leader of another fraction or he find a different way to leave his mark on wastelands.
Now, depending on how badly the Enclave wants the FEV, they can also just drop some bombs on the main door so all the mutants inside die off and the Master loses access to the FEV. Or if they really want it yeah assault the base
@@Axl4325 vertibirds don’t have that capability, no where it’s established that vertibirds have that capability. The only thing in fallout that can do that are submarine and bomber planes and I honestly don’t think they can attack the base by themselves
That’s an interesting “what if” scenario… The Enclave and The Brotherhood fighting side by side… now that is a crazy scenario I wish we could get a game set in. Mind if I do some thinking? I imagine that The Enclave, now that the Super Mutant threat is greatly diminished, would begin slowly folding themselves into the Brotherhood to replace the BOS losses. This would not only allow the Brotherhood to go on the offensive, but make sure The Enclave can have their foot in the door, so to say. Assuming Enclave personnel rise the ranks fast enough, it’s possible The Elders may be exiled from the Brotherhood by the Enclave, as the Brotherhood is rebranded the “US Army, LA Division.” From there, The Enclave begins rebuilding the city using their superior technology, and slowly make their way North, conquering the last few settlements (some bloodless) while exterminating the last of the Super Mutants. They also repair infrastructure as they go, setting up safer trade routes, activating SkyNet, and ultimately Liberate the states of California, Oregon, and Washington. From there… isn’t it obvious? Move East, retaking Cheyenne Mountain, Vegas, Dallas, New Orleans, Miami, Charlotte, Atlanta… eventually, the whole of America is Liberated, with roughly 40% of all infrastructure rebuilt. I say 40% because the Enclave would need to tear apart the crumbled buildings to make new ones… and they would focus on restoring the Railroads, as those can allow for faster transit of resources than by foot, and would serve as the primary mode of transit for the everyday Americans. Vertibird bases and airports would still be repaired, but used solely by the Politicians and Military until the factory situation catches up. I also believe that they would focus on railroads so heavily due to America’s history with Manifest Destiny. The people went out into the wilderness with horse trains, followed by *railroads,* with cars and planes coming waaaay later due to the technology catching up.
Yes I do mind, I demand you unthink that. I really didn't think about all the little details of rebuilding after the master was defeated, but most of this seems like it could happen.
Why would the Enclave fold themselves into the BoS? I find it infinitely more likely some *BoS bunkers* join up with the Enclave and we end up with skirmishes and a Cold War scenario, a thin veneer of stability and cooperation allowing them to rebuild the West Coast. Rather than the Enclave disbanding themselves and refilling BoS lost numbers. So you have a similar situation to OTL in Hoover Dam, the BoS forming a Republic with mixed Enclave response - unable to send their best troops in case war breaks out with Enclave who still claim to be the true America.
@@bruhtonbruhkkinson6848 I could see it as possibility that if the Brotherhood is resistant to join the Enclave, they may infiltrate the Brotherhood and work on making it more pro-Enclave until they eventually do join the Enclave, whatever method, the Enclave will be the dominant faction.
@@bruhtonbruhkkinson6848 If going by the setting of Fallout 1 there arent any other BoS bunkers besides Lost Hills (I am not counting 76) Lost Hills was it. BoS didnt wind up having more bunkers until after The Masters defeat when they began their expansion becoming the R&D powerhouse thats in the canon post Fallout 1 ending
We need another mutant threat to the Fallout series. Having your main enemy be a monstrosity and knowing losing will result in humanity being mutated is a freaky thing to think about. I'd love to have that eeriness in the game again. Fallout 4/76 just seemed too "hopeful" Seeing a rogue AI would be a cool idea too (I'm looking at you Calculator)
They used the FEV to do that, so to get the FEV they would have to assault the base anyway. Not to mention the Enclave would be decades from conceiving that plan and most likely wouldn't know that the FEV had the capability to accomplish that.
@@toastertoaster670 Source? As far as I know, there was no knowledge of it's ability to be used as a toxin, in fact much of the FEV's capabilities weren't fully understood, it was quite an anomaly.
I hope that if they ever make a sequel to New Vegas it's the brotherhood of steel from the capital wasteland rolling in to California and Nevada with the full force with the giant blimp and everything to get revenge against the NCR and Caesar's legion and everybody else who has done the brotherhood of steel wrong in California.
@@thepreacher7399 the BOS is obviously producing weapons of war as well in the capital wasteland and they have a large stock pile of enclave technology and equipment, a giant robot. And as we saw in fallout 4, they send in scouting parties first. They would be prepared and probably hit key targets as they came rolling in a kind of shock and awe movement. Plus I would imagine that the NCR took some time to recoup from the war with the legion.
One big problem with this video: we don’t need to speculate on what would have happened in FO1 and its factions in the case of the victory of the unity, as cut content found in the game’s files tell us precisely this outcome: th-cam.com/video/cmzSvquRl4I/w-d-xo.html Simply put, the Boneyard, Necropolis, Hub Junktown, Shady Sands and even Lost Hills are wiped out in the following order after the start of the game: Bone Yard - 90 days Necropolis- 110 days Hub - 140 days Lost Hills - 170 days Junktown - 210 days Shady Sands - 230 days Vault 13 - 500 days (400 days if water caravans are hired, which provide the location earlier to the Super Mutants). Most of the population is wiped out, with the exception of the BoS, where you find a single surviving Paladin outside the bunker, who says that a few scouting parties and patrolling Paladins were away at the time of the attack, but so few of them are left that at this point “the Brotherhood is dead”. The video also includes the corresponding ending slides for these groups and a few details, such as the Super Mutants capturing the BoS advanced weapons, but taking a long time to figure how to use them due to their low intelligence. Also, the raiders do manage to pull themselves together and continue their activities. So basically, no BoS, no NCR, raiders do survive and the Super Mutants slowly learn how to use the BoS hi-tech weapons. On the other hand, it would be interesting to know what the Master would eventually do if he later figured out on his own that Super Mutants can’t reproduce.
I think this still offers a different perspective, as the vault dweller is captured, the unity takes control of vault 13 first and the Master starts full scale war with the rest of the wasteland.
Cool detail, didn't know about it. Though I agree with some comments there, that a full on slaughter of every living human is not the best piece of writing and does not fit very well with the Master himself who wanted to uplift, rather than obliterate what remained of humanity. "The rest would be allowed to live out their days under Unity control and protection." Going through with the genocide would make a genuinely relatable villain into just another Saturday cartoon one and made the Master much less than what he was. Besides, I'm having serious doubts about the capability of the Unity to organize, deploy, transport and coordinate (with so few smart mutants) a force large enough to take on Lost Hills first without notice, and second without any sort of reaction from BoS fighting on their home turf with short supply lines and godly training. I also find it doubtful if Mariposa had larger weapon stores than Lost Hills and that the Unity would be able to commit as much resources to the attack, due to them being stretched between different objectives and locations. Also nobody talks about the upkeep of an overwhelmingly large mutant army, which must have been gargantuan by wasteland standards! So no, I doubt that BoS would lose. Oh, and after destroying either Mariposa or Cathedral, the timer should stop, as either would destroy the Unity's combat capability. I'd ignore that completely- it's just too unfinished and leaves too many questions and plot holes.
@@TheOmegaInitiative I'd love this video alot more if it actually delved into the canon Mutant ending that was cut from the game aswell as go into Super Mutant politics like the Enclave videos instead of just being shafted for an Enclave and BoS alliance
I still don't know why Master couldn't just keep some humans to do more humans to turn into supermutants, that was my first thought when I knew that supermutants can't reproduce.
@@tundcwe123 Yeah, just have some breeding farms like with cattle to make more humans. Though that does possibly lead to inbreeding if there aren't enough humans, and I'm not sure how that is effected by the FEV.
I'd love to see the Aftermath of a Enclave-Brotherhood Victory where the Enclave might eventually try to use Gene therapy or something like that to try to repair the damaged genes from Radiation. Would be nice to see it, probably wouldn't happen but imo a nice idea.
Na. The Enclave could never be good. The developers are too politically biased to ever show mccarthyism in a good light. If they did team up with the brotherhood, the Enclave would betray them at the last stretch like cartoon villains and trip on their nose immediately after.
I could see the Enclave and Brotherhood genuinely teaming up, one is just the post war US government, the other is made up of US Army deserters. Both are elitist, have similar origins, similar goals, a reliance on tech, a love for their power armor, and neither could care about some wastrels trying to survive.
@@patrioticwhitemail9119 you act like anyone in Fallout is a good guy (besides Bethesda’s Fallout 3 rendition of the Brotherhood, or the Minutemen in Fallout 4). In Fallout 2, the Enclave were really only a shade greyer than the Brotherhood, a faction which at least gives you the courtesy of a “f**k off” before they blow you away with their advanced weapons.
This reminds me of a really cool reddit thread where the OP explored what would happen in the future games if the Master had won. Some highlights i remember were House-BOS alliance, the formation of a new Enclave government in DC after their retreat from the West Coast, and the Enclave encountering the Institute.
When Fallout 4 dlc's came out, I had hopes for a Mutation Workshop. Similar to the Vault-Tec Workshop dlc, it would have a mission setting. You would start with Strong or a random Super Mutant asking you to help them. Because the Super Mutants of the Commonwealth were the results of the Institute experimenting on FEV, the Super Mutants lack the means to re-produce. They would ask the Sole Survivor to become their new leader by taking over the town of West Everett Estates from Hammer. Once done, you become the new Master tasked to eliminate the rival Mutant Bosses around the map and bring more mutants under your rule. Even capturing humans for slave labor, food or as new mutants. And if you have access to the Institute, you'd be tasked to retrieve tanks of the FEV stored in the abandoned section of Bio Science. With the FEV, you would gain access to the Mutant Workbench. Much like the Robot Workbench, the Mutant Workbench gives you the means to create or become your own mutant creature; Super Mutant, Ghoul etc.
If this did happen and the brotherhood and enclave took over the US together, would they become 2 separate political party's or would they be entirely separate? If so I can imagine the brotherhood not wanting to invade china while the enclave does, thus creating in-fighting
@@TheHacknor but they might have too, even the enclave sees that the brotherhood is the best option they have, there better than every faction other than big house but it would take em a while to talk to each other
@@Jsipki265(I'm useing the fallout new Vegas stats here) some variants of super mutants are more powerful than the bots, such as the nightkin master and beserker, but if we go with the endings that best benefit Mr house and the master then here's 2 problems, mr house owns the dam and with enough time could most likely produce an even bigger army than before(maybe even build a mIII Os), but the master would have to send a lot of mutants scouting for more people, also consider the fact that the mutants aren't very smart, yes the vault 13 mutants are but there still dumber than usual, there's also the fact that Mr house is a genius while the master is well... And Mr house could command his army instantly if he so chose.
@@DWG_ 1. We see that usually when a mutant is leading a unit it’s smarter than the rest 2. Mr house wouldn’t have those resources anyway since he couldn’t possibly find the platinum chip with the help of people helping and since most towns are converted into super mutants, it’s going to be nigh impossible
A classic Enclave-BOS alliance to fight off the Master's army would be a cool idea for a game/mod,and would make for a radically different postgame fallout universe. The Enclave is out of hiding and maybe the two hightech factions fighting a costly war to prevent a grim fate would likely be the beginning of some actual postwar reconstruction instead of a bunch of factions larping in the ruins of the old world. If we factor in the new factions ability to access things like Big MT and the Seirra Madre (vertibird go zoom) to grab the hyperadvanced tech installed in each,they may very well could hit a full post scarcity civilization with prewar population density figures in the westcoast and extensive colonization of the east coast by 2250. Hell if you throw the reawakening of Mr House and recovery of the platinum chip in their normal times we could very well see lunar colonies and massive efforts to clean up the remaining heavily irradiated areas in the CONUS by 2300. Not to mention the fact that the new America would not by the rapidly declining dystopia it had become by 2077,but something completely new built on a nearly clean slate.
Amazing video, but here are a couple of points that could change your conclusion. 1) Limited growth of Unity. Mutants are sterile because of FEV, it's likely only real manpower expansion would be capturing new humans or farming them. Capturing new humans would be possible up to a certain point until the effects of military attrition would be felt. Farming people and then turning them into mutants, would work under exponential law i.e. incredibly slow at the start. In real-world developing nations population grows at 3-4% yearly and this is with proper medicine and food, and not in a radioactive wasteland. Considering a low mutation success rate, it would mean that initial force growth would be very slow. This is confirmed in Fallout universe as it took master about 50 years to make a dozen or so mutants. All this means that mutant forces are weakest at the start and only grow stronger, but this growth works on a long enough scale. Where Unity forces would have a real problem is with officers. In-universe mostly prime mortals would be smart enough to lead any tactical unit, the average mutant is quite dumb. Without officers, it would be just a huge bunch of orks that could be destroyed by any proper military units very fast. Even basic concentration of forces would require a certain level of military command structure, not even talking about more developed strategies. This could remove any manpower or firepower advantage that the mutant army could have. And master's army really struggles in this regard, as at best they could field about 50-60 military-worthy officers after they found Vault 13 (this is with removing any future farming potential). And it would only get worse from this point. 2) Strength of Brotherhood. Brotherhood on the other hand would have peak strength at the beginning of the conflict. Limitation on brotherhood would be equipment, as they mostly rely on scavenging, not producing military equipment. After people realize the threat of mutants, mobilization of nearby cities would start and everyone who can carry a rifle would be joining their resistance, most likely as a part of Brotherhood forces. With both of these in mind, if what we see in-game (or told, cause amount of characters in-game is much smaller than the universe would imply), it would be a face-off between 500-1000 mutants, with little tactics other than raiding or sieging settlements vs the organized force of perhaps 5k-10k mobilized soldiers, with about 500 paladins. Initially, expansion of Unity would be really slow, as settlements when getting to know the threat would be evacuating or brotherhood using the scorched earth tactic. Human forces would only grow, as raiders and other communities would be joining the military under Brotherhood, as Unity threat grows closer. Result: I doubt that Unity could expand fast enough to overwhelm Brotherhood. In-game elders are too slow to respond, but this is mostly because they had no real encounters with mutants. With the proper mobilization of forces by Brotherhood and nearby communities and the use of tactics, the mutant army would lose. They don't even have to assault the FEV base or master, as cutting down their growth would be enough. Even if it's not true and master's forces would overwhelm communities nearbly, Enclave would most likely face the threat and do the same thing - cut down the potential growth of mutant manpower by evacuation or *removing* towns and eventually starving mutants to death. Assault at FEV base is an interesting option but functionally would be the same and only accelerate the process. In any case, Brotherhood or Encalve would defeat Unity and would greatly expand their influence. Brotherhood could become similar to Vault City but bigger, more advanced, and with a much bigger population (assuming assimilation of Hub and such). This could mean faster recovery of civilization to something similar to pre-war America(as a brotherhood is influenced by pre-war America) or most of the west coast being under influence of fascist militaristic fanatic Brotherhood(there are parts of brotherhood that are closer to fascist isolationist, as one of Fallout ending confirms). In the case of Enclave, that would most likely accelerate their plans, and the story of Fallout 2 would happen much earlier, but with no "chosen one" to stop them.
I honestly wish we had a fallout with the Enclave as one of the good factions. And I’m not talking about them being included like in New Vegas, like a major faction that determines your ending
Would be cool if the old school Fallout games worked like the Mass Effect games, where the basic story changes but your character's actions that you made yourself have ripple effects throughout the series.
Quite the interesting thought experiment. Though, I would predict a few key events differently: At one point you argued that the brotherhood would perceive the Mutants as such a threat that they would go in full and protect the hub. Afaik, the brotherhood does not really care about protecting people and, as you yourself put it, protecting the hub would lead to a sieged position with the only prospect of likely being annihilated slowly but surely. Thus, I would say that the brotherhood instead would use the hub as bait to occupy the bulk of the mutant army while they go in full to attack the enemys headquarters. The results of that battle would determine the future of the wasteland. In any case, the victor would be severely weakend and it may lead to something similar to the ncr in the region. Similarly. if the brotherhood is in the hub as you envision it, I would assume that the enclave would use them as bait for the army while doing a full on strike on mariposa base. No need for cooperation, which I btw find unlikely. Although, this attack would basically come out of nowhere for the master. So it could work very well. But in both of these scenarios, the number of now leaderless super mutants on the west coast would be far greater than it is in the original fallout series, which would make an interesting setting.
Main issue with your statement is that the brotherhood relies on the hub for food and water if the hub falls the brotherhood is going to slowly die of thirst so protecting the hub would be a priority for the brotherhood because it's necessary for their very survival
Well possible continuation here but, with the Enclave likely wanting a sample of the FEV from Maraposa they would likely discover its capabilities, when it comes to the creation of super soldiers and its ability to form an anti mutant plague. With this its likely that the Enclave would come to the same plan to purify the world as in the normal fallout timeline as they would see this as the best way to save what was left of humanity by killing them before they could be changed into mutants especially since the master had turned so meany by this point. The only difference we could have is if the Enclave choose to save the brotherhood or let them die with the mutants. If the brotherhood is saved then the Enclave would have a large militarised force already on the main land with a large civilian population ready to start rebuilding. If they choose to not warn and save the Brotherhood then the Enclave would try to repopulate on their own but with such a small population such efforts would be slow but they would lack any form of competition.
If the enclave at its fallout 2 strength fought the Master I think they would annihilate the masters army with stuff like advanced power armor and frank horrigan there would be no chance for the master
An continuous from this hopeful ending would be interesting... With brotherhood and enclave being together It would be interesting to see the aftermath and how different the ending and events of the other fallouts would be....
@@jacob414 definitely possible it's just the terms they use like "Ad Victoriam" and the numbers they have is nuts...the terms they used wouldn't have been used until 2288 when Elder Maxson is on his trip. Numbers wise, they just have too much for the small group they are..
I don't see a lot of people talking about The Legion. It might have a harder time forming with the unity expanding, but if The Brotherhood and Enclave can stop the Unity's expansion, or atleast slow it down for like 95 years (I know I'm stretching it). Ceasars legion just might form. It'll certainly be difficult and the culture may be different given the fact that Ceasar comes from the followers and they might be completely wiped out by this point, and if you're this far into this comment you can see that I've givin up because this is basically impossible. Either way I'd love to see Shrek vs Latin dude dressed as an OU Sooner.
wouldn't the enclave just use a bio weapon? I mean they developed them before. Also we seem to be missing out on the possibility of the enclave going deeper inlands to secure weapons of mass destruction, like pre war nukes or the helios one laser, and consequently using them to destroy the cathedral.
I think you did it. You made the best outcome fallout could ever see. It’s a shame the Enclave and the brotherhood had to fight because Bethesda thought it would be cool to see power armor soldier vs power armor soldier.
@Okbok Tregmas I don’t even know how to respond to you, I’m just kinda done with everyone wanting to throw in their two cents on the internet. I am in no way saying that applies to you, you did bring up several good points, I just am tired of people arguing on the internet. I suppose the best thing I could say is that your statement about “interacting with the Enclave” is wrong because I don’t consider fallout 2 and 3 to be “fanboy wankerism” as you put it. It simply comes down to this: the way that the Enclave as a faction as a whole operates doesn’t make much sense to me and I think their reclusiveness is mostly to blame on bad leadership, because it always is, and if they had a more open-minded leader it would turn out different. I think (I forgot the name of the studio who made fallout 2) the ‘game makers?’ Designed them in a way to be like that, then so be it, I just feel like fallout is a franchise to put more depth into a faction than “good guy bad guy”. Like take a look at Caesar’s Legion. They crucify, and murder, but still, in some aspects are still a better choice than any other faction in New Vegas. Anyway, I’m going to go spend some time doing something else than arguing with people on the internet that I will never meet and that will make no difference in the future.
I would love to see a part 2 for this one, involving Mr. House, and the NCR, and, heck, even the East Coast factions such as the Minutemen and Institute.
That fail screen with the vault dweller and F.E.V, jesus christ. It just awakens everything in me that isn't a good emotion. I cannot imagine the desperation to escape. And the pain of being dumped in.
That was a pretty interesting and thought-provoking take that could have repercussions far into D.C. (F3) and the Mojave (FNV) depending on the outcome. Nice work :D
Fallout Pre War. A HOI4 mod in development, set in 2060 till 2080. Grand strategy game but allows a possibility for the player to avoid nuclear war and win as opposing nations. It’s quite interesting and their reddit page has the details for each nation. Else check the discord.
It's likely The Master would have sent scouts into neighboring states, Nevada, Wasignton, maybe even all the way to Arizona/Texas. Entering Nevada and likely finding The Strip would bring House back to activity and, realizing he probably doesnt have much time, get the Dam and the Securitron upgrades early. As House would still need to enlist someone to go do stuff elsewhere for him, such as activating the Securitrons at Fort Worth, it's possible all of the Mojave is united. Well whats there at the time that is. The Enclave re-activating would likely send a team out to the Vertibird base in the Mojave making contact with House in the process as well as reactivating Hidden Valley. This puts the Enclave on 2 sides of The Master while being backed by an army of Securitrons and a united Mojave, and the Enclaves main base off the coast.
Dude can you please make more of these? I’ve been imagining fallout alternate history scenarios in my head since I played fallout 3. Can you make a timeline where the lone wanderer is killed and the enclave takes over project purity successfully? Edit: this video was terrific. Keep it up 👍
This video was the most interesting to me as it represented one of the earliest and greatest changes that could have happened in Fallout, I'm not opposed to making one about Fallout 3, but I do know there's already videos about the Enclave winning in Fallout 3. I would have to watch all those videos and then make sure I'm presenting something new, but I would want it to possible still.
@@TheOmegaInitiative I see! Sorry lol I just wasn’t sure if the fo3 scenario had already been done yet it was just something I’d been imagining in my head for awhile lol. Regardless of the content you put out I’m sure it’ll be great 👍
The Master was working towards a cure for that during Fallout 1, so, if given more time, he would probably be able to make Supermutants that aren't sterile.
Egh, he didnt win, and now we have a bigger threat, and i'm not talking about Caesars Legion... We need to stop Schizo Elijah and his goons from doing shitposts, seriously, he is insane, thats why he is Schizo. Back in a day called himself Nordic Joshua Graham, and was doing great videos about DIY, package openings, rap, and crack.
tho hard fought there would also be mr houses robots and even the legion, and because the NCR would not have exsisted the legion would most likely had taken control of new vegas and even possibly mr houses robots, and with the added tribal power it could be safe to say that the legion if smart (using the landscape like the canyons and rivers) they could ambush many of the mutants and if they fail, theres always the chance of their being much more powerful factions in places like texas (if its as gun friendly in fallout as in real life before the war many of those guns and ways of thinking might survive) there would also be east coast chapters of BOS like the Chicago and Appalachian chapters, also the east coast enclave who after learning about the west coast might be more open to supporting the people in a fight and they had much more progress with controlling deathclaws a valuable weapon against supermutents however if the master reaches the super mutents in dc that would end the us
Personally i like to think that the commonwealth would be a hell hole for the masters army as between the glowing sea filled with deathclaws and the institute possibly working with the local factions and on top of that power armor is bloody everywhere due it to being a military zone prewar. i could easily see the factions uniting. it would probably fall however but it would be costly.
the courier United almost all factions ncr won destroying mr.house and legion In fallout new Vegas, brotherhood railroad and minutemen, won in fallout 4 destroying institute, this is best ending for both those games = my head cannon
@@chavezchavo Nate/Nora is just called the Soul Survivor cause u can name the character anything at the beginning of the game, oh and Tho Chosen One is the best in my opinion
i could see vault 76 residents managing to fight off master's army with the stuff that they got like gauss miniguns actual nukes and all that plus power armor with jetpacks would give them an adventage.so either the vault dweller will just be replaced with a vault dweller from vault 76 in killing the master, but far more likely is that west virginia would become a stronghold for a while
9:28 Alongside the Enclave, there's also the Midwest Chapter of the BOS from Fallout Tactics(Who control everything from Chicago to the rockies), the collection of settlements around the Great Salt Lake mentioned in Van Buren, the Texan Chapter of the BOS from the PS2 game, New Vegas, and the various raider tribes in Colorado that would have eventually become the Legion in the future.
The Enclave/BoS joint attack on the Master's Mariposa base sounds super exciting, conceptually and visually... Not-evil, or not-as-evil Enclave is also really neat as a concept. It got my imaginations working. On one night, mutants are guarding the base entry. The area is quiet... until they start hearing an unfamiliar sound. The sound of Vertibirds. And boom! Sentry posts explode out of nowhere, followed by Enclave and BoS come flying down in Vertibirds (I'm just presuming that mutants can't fight as effectively in the dark than in daylight, and power armor has some night fighting equipment). Small number of scouts or a ground forces with, perhaps some heavy equipments are already in the area, and they start attacking the base defense to cover for Vertibirds landing. Mutants defending the entry fire at the Vertibirds. Lots of tracers illuminate the sky. Humans take some casualities, but soon establish the control of the outside, then they enter the base, where they meet some tough mutants and ugly monstrosities. Then they face the Master. The next day, the base is full of dead mutants, and some crashed Vertibirds are lying around. Enclave and BoS search and eliminate mutant strugglers... Man, would I love to see a short animation of something like this, done in style of Fallout 1&2 esque cutscenes. Anyway, it was a very interesting what-if scenario! Nice vid! Edit: Oops, I forgot that The Master was not in Mariposa, but at the Cathedoral. I may need to come up with a substitute boss.. haha
This and the video on House getting the Platinum Chip inspired me to conceive of an AU where the survivors of California make a mass exodus to the east, rather than standing and fighting the mutants. Together, the denizens of Nevada start looking for the Platinum Chip in earnest, finding it and activating the Securitron Army. This is only the first step, though, as all the local towns, tribes and factions are told the horror stories of the California Refugees; Big Mountain, the Boomers, the Desert Rangers, all of them make preparations for a unified front. Meanwhile, back in Cali, the Unity Army is building it's own strength, creating mutant animals for fodder and Psykers for spies and interrogators. Ghouls are accepted into the Unity as well; while not exactly equals to the mutants, they enjoy a higher status than humans. The Enclave stays on the oil rig, relying on their isolation and anonymity, launching hit and run missions while engineering their modified FEV bioweapon as fast as possible, with plans to disperse it via the jetstream as per FO2, unless someone convinces them otherwise. Then there's the other Enclave outposts like Chicago, Raven Rock and Adams AFB, to say nothing of Vault 0 and the Calculator's Robots...
Imagine waking up as Mr House about 170 years after the bombs dropped, only to find out all of Vegas is filled with mutants.
"Oh, what the hell happened while I was out?!"
I think he woke up before Fallout 1 takes place.
@@TheOmegaInitiative I can't remember exactly but I thing he would basically slip in and out of consciousness for decades until he managed to roll back his systems to an earlier version. By that time vegas was already in ruin.
@@demondeity9816 I'm pretty sure he fully woke up before Fallout 1 though.
@@TheOmegaInitiative maybe, but I have a feeling it was later. House mentioned that Vegas was inhabited by tribals when he work up and we didn't really see tribes forming up until fallout 2.
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Forgot there were tribes in tactics
I love the irony with this ending in relation to the master's plans. The master wanted to unify people under a new race, but by becoming a threat to humanity, he's inadvertently unified everyone against him. He achieved his goal, just not the way he wanted.
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the master: I'm already a demon
Exactly, that why I love the Fallout lore, there are so much endless possibilities which I think should be explored, great comment by the way
And not as strong as he wanted. Master wanted everyone to unite to live better, not kill some mutants
@@Commrade-DOGE 💎🐶
An alternate history of alternate history. *Now* you're thinking with portals.
It’s amusing how fallout is what people in the 90s thought people in the 60s expected the year 2070 to be like, 50 years after a nuclear war, in a pulpy sci-fi Mad-Max anarchistic hellscape that slowly returns to civilization. And this time with more Hulk mutants and less humans.
@@Benjumanjo such a crazy story its hard to believe it takes place on earth
Hate to necro-post, but this isn't even alternate history. It's more like the alternate history of a possible future, based on an alternate history. It's a different past from the perspective of a different future based on a different past.
Last time I was this early the Enclave still had Raven Rock
Never forget.
black and white what a game
@Enclave Soldier 𝘓𝘪𝘣𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘺 𝘗𝘳𝘪𝘮𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘵
God bless the encl-oh what the fu. Gets absolutely destroyed by a football nuke
@@aubergineman3299 Nuclear bunker designed to survive nuclear strikes: gets destroyed by glorified propane tanks
Bethesda: makes sense
A similar scenario could occur if vault 13 never had a problem with the water chip. In fallout 2 it’s mentioned in vault 8’s computer records that vault 8 was supplied with a surplus of water chips due to some kind of shipment error. If the water chips were distributed evenly between the vaults as intended then it could also result in this alternate history scenario.
Isn’t that also why Vault 13 had 2 GECKs?
@@dinowizard0213 I remember vault 13 having 1 geck, but it was supposed to be vault 8's secondary geck.
@@TheOmegaInitiative I think vault 13 has 2 gecks, the one they supposed to have and the second one the Vault 8 should have received
The thing is the Master sought out vault dwellers due to their status as "prime normals" who are completely untouched from radiation or trace exposure to FEV in the wasteland. Mutants made from this breed of humans are much much more capable and intelligent. It stands to reason if the water chip never broke the master wouldn't find the vault in time to give his army the strength it needs.
@@VannMunson very true. If the water chip never gave out Jacorean wouldn’t have been sending other VD’s out either. So there’s less chance of someone else realising they had seen people with a 13 on their backs. Essentially if not for the water chip Vault 13 may have remained totally isolated and hidden.
I really like the idea of a Enclave-Brotherhood alliance
The reconciliation of the followers of Captain Rodger Maxon and the U.S. government. Healing a generation rift. Based
I would love to see that
You can recruit the Enclave remnants and the Brotherhood if Steel to fight alongside you at the second battle of Hoover Dam.
It would never last though, when the BoS learn the enclaves mission they would stop the helping them. Unless they can convince the entire enclave that their mission is wrong
@@MrMadre I feel like they’d be able to convince some of them but not all turning it into a civil war within the enclave since not all of the enclave was bad
One goal, one purpose, one people. Unity
We will not surrender
Enclave soldier: UNIFY THIS GREEN BASTERD *throws plasma grenade*
Your weapons can't hurt me puny human!
@@ukaszzach8552 Enclave soldier: ooh shit
@@skylordthe1st *spins miningun with malicious intent*
Remember this, the Enclave have access to ICBM's and a space laser. There is no doubt in my mind they would end the world a second time.
Liberty prime
@@kang8171 liberty prime would die in less than a second to either one icbm or a single laser blast
@@freki3545 fun fact: The crawler at the enclave base in the airport was destroyed by what is quite seriously nukes, how the player survived even from that distance is a miracle
They'd also immediately start releasing Deathclaw slaves and probably start taking over strategic places like Big Mt and using their experimental weaponry.
@President Richardson Based in murdering innocents
The hopeful ending in a nutshell
The master:your already a mutant, ready to join us
Frank horrigan:time to die mutie
The master and 5 other super mutants: *do 500 damage in a turn*
Frank horrigan: *laughs* that tickled *one shots the master with his hands*
Frank Horrigan wouldn't be born for another 60 years.
@@TheOmegaInitiative comment was satire
In all honesty, the master probably would of ran out of FEV before he could of found a way to fix the sterilization problem. The way it makes males sterile is fev will target every cell including the DNA when males reproduce. He would run out of fev, then dumb mutants, then the smart ones would probably disband/make a community when things hit the shitter. Once he runs out of FEV, its just going to be a slow death for the unity because even though they can't die of old age/rads/disease, whatever is in the wasteland will slowly pick them off
@@AImpatientMan He would also most likely figure out how to make more FEV before he runs out of it.
@@TheOmegaInitiative Unless the means to produce the chemicals in it's construction are, well. Nuked.
@@AImpatientMan I mean, there are other sources of FEV in the wasteland. Less refined versions, but I’m sure the Master would be able to improve upon them.
Mr House might wake up if the Master’s army entered Nevada. I believe he said the reason why he went online is because he detected the NCR entering Vegas and knew he had to greet them and show them he was not something they could just conquer.
the problem is House would really need to upgrade quickly as F his army since they are really underpowered against this kind of massive treat :s, the moment house lose this, is game over for Vegas, if House is able to upgrade his army, is game over for the master
@@BelegornHK if House were awoken due to an influx of mutants, chances are he could trick some of them into giving him the chip and helping him upgrade the securitrons without anyone ever knowing.
@@BelegornHKI don't know about that bt this point the master has conqueored a largee chunk of america and has been growing his army for over a century at this point. Its not gonnna just crumble justcause he gets the platinum chip.
@@Spicystachegamer The Master's army wouldn't crumble, but having Mk. 2 Securitrons would make conquering Nevada an absolute nightmare. Assuming the securitrons are re-awakened at the Fort and are all upgraded to the Mk. 2 model, The Master would be stuck in a logistical hellhole as he has to deal with both the Brotherhood and the Enclave's alliance while their forces in the south have to fight off Securitrons armed with explosive ordinance, and lots of them. He could try to brute force House and his Securitrons, but it'd be extremely costly and would likely leave them vulnerable to an attack from an outside force such as the Enclave/BoS alliance. His best option would be to employ stealth and try to attack covertly, but The Master only has so many intelligent mutants at his disposal to carry out such attacks, and the Nightkin are unreliable at best. House, who would most likely have calculated all the odds if he can get a feel for the numbers on The Master's side, would expect either outcome and be prepared for each. It'd just be a bad situation in general for The Master when your enemy doesn't feel the loss of numbers that heavily and can repair itself mid-battle.
@@lordpumpkinhead265that's always what's so strong about house, his near infinite army that let's him feel minimal losses from long term wars.
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Enclave-Brotherhood Alliance just sounds so good for some reason
Two most powerful factions
@@TheOmegaInitiative Yep
@@TheOmegaInitiative add in the Institute for maximum hilarity.
Fuck it, one struggle
@@scarecrow_jones5855 No more brother wars!
I’ve thought about this too and also concluded that the Brotherhood and the Enclave would team up eventually to take on the Master, with the two groups either becoming staunch allies or maybe turning on each other after the common threat had been eliminated.
The Brotherhood would be gone long before the Enclave would have been alerted to anything. If you play Fallout 1 with the mutant invasions enabled, the Master's armies destroy absolutely everything if you take too long.
@@Thagomizer well yeah sure, eventually. But we don’t know how much of a time jump there is from the failure end of the game to the super mutant army storming into Maxson. And I’m pretty sure that at the time the plot to Fallout 1 was written, they didn’t even have a clear concept of the Enclave Oil Rig and the base at Navarro.
I would say it would take a while for the Super Mutants to break in. It would be a siege. The Enclave Vertibirds would see that these power armored soldiers would some of the last people resisting the mutants and come in with guns blazing. Or not. The Emclave are dicks.
@@chrisamon4551 There's already a pretty definitive answer to how long they would last. You're supposed to get the bad Brotherhood ending if the Master is still alive after 170 days. The mutants will also find Vault 13 in 500 days, or 400 if you happen to share its location with the water merchants in the Hub. Of course, they could find it a lot sooner if the Vault Dweller surrenders to the Lieutenant immediately after reaching Necropolis, so exactly how the Vault Dweller fails in this scenario is relevant, too. I just assumed we were trying to construct a timeline in which the Vault Dweller's influence is excised as much as possible.
I think it’d analogous to the Brotherhood and NCR around the time of Fallout 2. They allied together to defeat the Enclave, but had no reason to tolerate each other once the common threat was eliminated
I believe that BoS will integrate in the Enclave that way
"Because I think it'd be cool to see, we'll say Mariposa is heavily guarded by all the monstrosities that the FEV could create."
Based.
Finally someone actually notes where on the timeline X-01sits and why we don't see it in older games.
i mean cerano armor plating would have been a no brainer for prewar scientists to research aswell and with the enclaves research making it easier to maintain and manufacture then im actually amazed no one thought of it before fallout 4 to implement it even as a really rare suit
I mean, I always looked at it as just a renaming for the advanced power armor for the 3D fallout universe. Like, giving it a proper production model naming scheme, since it's a similar jump in technology as T45 to T51. Maybe it's something like T45A vs. T45D. T-XX denotes a baseline design, and sub designations represent improvements upon the baseline design. So, enclave armor from the older games could be thought of as just X-0, and the design iteration that is accepted as the baseline for full-scale production and deployment ends up being X-01.
Again though, I feel like it was initially just done to refresh the naming scheme to something that was more in line with the other power armors.
>Unity arrives in Washington
>LIBERTY PRIME, ONLINE
Yeah and also not to mention Frank Horrigan, Enclave, Mr. House would probably wake up and send his securitrons, etc.
I'm imagining the Unity patrolling through Washington when they suddenly hear the Warlord Titan warhorn sfx and see a VERY angry Liberty Prime stomping towards them.
Remember how the brother hood never got liberty prime online (up and moving)
Without the players help
Interesting stuff. My thoughts were simply "well it doesn't matter since the Enclave will just genocide everyone in 80 years" before this, but you've given me more to think about
They need Mariposa to create the virus.
This enclave isn’t as powerful as in fallout 2
@@TheOmegaInitiative well if the Master expands production then it won’t become hard, when the time comes, for the Enclave to covertly grab themselves some FEV. The only thing they’ll be missing is the test subjects like those from arroyo village (which won’t exist) and a control vault (which may be accessible).
@@theylivewesleep.5139 plenty of control vaults are around, just need to fly to one
@@Jsipki265 We never got a true sense of how powerful the Enclave was originally meant to be. Or what they may have been capable of digging up.
It's possible they could have had cells/other groups. Had abandoned bases they could re-activate with useful toys.
Something like a stealth bomber with a bunker-buster doesn't sound too far out of the realm of possibility.
I mean from a F2 lore creation standpoint, though. By the time things get handed off to Bethesda it's hard for me to really see it as canon.
I personally think it'd be interesting if the calculator's robots fought the institute, or even 4's mechanist, but I think their means of production would be too far apart from one another to reach eachother effectively.
I forgot about thr calculator
Seem pretty op, robots on land and sky even in the ground
Also forgot the BOS has tanks
The Calculators' robots were op as hell, they would crush the Institute.
@@TheOmegaInitiative even with teleporting? who am I kidding I'd be rooting for the calculator.
@@TheOmegaInitiative Can they get inside? I doubt it. Plus the Calculator could not handle a team of 5 members of a disorganized Brotherhood Chapter.
@@maximus4765 The Calculator probably isnt canon, and wanted to kill all Humans on the surface.
What is the NCR never existed?
What if The Institute wasn’t real, but fear of the institute was?
That second idea would certainly be interesting.
@@disastrousdwarf yeah because it would mean fallout 4 wouldn’t exist, & therefore it would be better
@@Faux_Fox_ OmegLUL not true POG
without the ncr there is no legion. Caesar was created by the NCR without the NCR he would have been shot whilst a kid by a raider, or maybe the followers wouldn't exist, either way no NCR = no Caesar.
@@mappingshaman5280 I think that considering Caesar's potential he would've become a leader of another fraction or he find a different way to leave his mark on wastelands.
Now, depending on how badly the Enclave wants the FEV, they can also just drop some bombs on the main door so all the mutants inside die off and the Master loses access to the FEV. Or if they really want it yeah assault the base
How would they have the man power to do that?
@@Jsipki265 the manpower to drop bombs? They just needs 2 vertibirds to drive fast
@@Axl4325 vertibirds don’t have that capability, no where it’s established that vertibirds have that capability. The only thing in fallout that can do that are submarine and bomber planes and I honestly don’t think they can attack the base by themselves
@@Jsipki265 dude, just drop a bomb off of the side of the vertibird
@@humanperson4406 you do know the bomb would be shit, because they would need to count for the weight
That’s an interesting “what if” scenario… The Enclave and The Brotherhood fighting side by side… now that is a crazy scenario I wish we could get a game set in. Mind if I do some thinking?
I imagine that The Enclave, now that the Super Mutant threat is greatly diminished, would begin slowly folding themselves into the Brotherhood to replace the BOS losses. This would not only allow the Brotherhood to go on the offensive, but make sure The Enclave can have their foot in the door, so to say. Assuming Enclave personnel rise the ranks fast enough, it’s possible The Elders may be exiled from the Brotherhood by the Enclave, as the Brotherhood is rebranded the “US Army, LA Division.”
From there, The Enclave begins rebuilding the city using their superior technology, and slowly make their way North, conquering the last few settlements (some bloodless) while exterminating the last of the Super Mutants. They also repair infrastructure as they go, setting up safer trade routes, activating SkyNet, and ultimately Liberate the states of California, Oregon, and Washington. From there… isn’t it obvious? Move East, retaking Cheyenne Mountain, Vegas, Dallas, New Orleans, Miami, Charlotte, Atlanta… eventually, the whole of America is Liberated, with roughly 40% of all infrastructure rebuilt.
I say 40% because the Enclave would need to tear apart the crumbled buildings to make new ones… and they would focus on restoring the Railroads, as those can allow for faster transit of resources than by foot, and would serve as the primary mode of transit for the everyday Americans. Vertibird bases and airports would still be repaired, but used solely by the Politicians and Military until the factory situation catches up. I also believe that they would focus on railroads so heavily due to America’s history with Manifest Destiny. The people went out into the wilderness with horse trains, followed by *railroads,* with cars and planes coming waaaay later due to the technology catching up.
Yes I do mind, I demand you unthink that. I really didn't think about all the little details of rebuilding after the master was defeated, but most of this seems like it could happen.
Why would the Enclave fold themselves into the BoS? I find it infinitely more likely some *BoS bunkers* join up with the Enclave and we end up with skirmishes and a Cold War scenario, a thin veneer of stability and cooperation allowing them to rebuild the West Coast. Rather than the Enclave disbanding themselves and refilling BoS lost numbers. So you have a similar situation to OTL in Hoover Dam, the BoS forming a Republic with mixed Enclave response - unable to send their best troops in case war breaks out with Enclave who still claim to be the true America.
@@bruhtonbruhkkinson6848 I could see it as possibility that if the Brotherhood is resistant to join the Enclave, they may infiltrate the Brotherhood and work on making it more pro-Enclave until they eventually do join the Enclave, whatever method, the Enclave will be the dominant faction.
@@bruhtonbruhkkinson6848 If going by the setting of Fallout 1 there arent any other BoS bunkers besides Lost Hills (I am not counting 76) Lost Hills was it. BoS didnt wind up having more bunkers until after The Masters defeat when they began their expansion becoming the R&D powerhouse thats in the canon post Fallout 1 ending
@@TheOmegaInitiative dude I want a fallout manifest destiny game now
So now someone needs to make an XCOM mod where you're fighting the Master's Army as the Enclave.
That would be sick
We need another mutant threat to the Fallout series. Having your main enemy be a monstrosity and knowing losing will result in humanity being mutated is a freaky thing to think about. I'd love to have that eeriness in the game again. Fallout 4/76 just seemed too "hopeful"
Seeing a rogue AI would be a cool idea too (I'm looking at you Calculator)
ikr.. the master comes back but as an AI lmao
Or, the Enclave can just infect the entire Wasteland's water supply that kills all mutants..
They used the FEV to do that, so to get the FEV they would have to assault the base anyway. Not to mention the Enclave would be decades from conceiving that plan and most likely wouldn't know that the FEV had the capability to accomplish that.
@@TheOmegaInitiative They’d definitely know. The Pre-War government knew that FEV could be used as a deadly toxin, so they would too
@@toastertoaster670 they might not want to
@@mileshostetler2469 I'd assume they would want to even more now that the mainland is *actually* filled with mutants.
@@toastertoaster670 Source? As far as I know, there was no knowledge of it's ability to be used as a toxin, in fact much of the FEV's capabilities weren't fully understood, it was quite an anomaly.
The enclave and fallout 4's chapter of the brotherhood would definitely team up against the institute if given the option and if needed.
I hope that if they ever make a sequel to New Vegas it's the brotherhood of steel from the capital wasteland rolling in to California and Nevada with the full force with the giant blimp and everything to get revenge against the NCR and Caesar's legion and everybody else who has done the brotherhood of steel wrong in California.
@@thepreacher7399 the BOS is obviously producing weapons of war as well in the capital wasteland and they have a large stock pile of enclave technology and equipment, a giant robot. And as we saw in fallout 4, they send in scouting parties first. They would be prepared and probably hit key targets as they came rolling in a kind of shock and awe movement. Plus I would imagine that the NCR took some time to recoup from the war with the legion.
@@longshot291981 that makes no sense, they would not travel across the country to fight the NCR.
That would be an interesting ending.
The Algorithm is being generous with me rn
Yes, praise be the all mighty Susan.
I want to hear more of these Fallout Alternate History/Universes
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One big problem with this video: we don’t need to speculate on what would have happened in FO1 and its factions in the case of the victory of the unity, as cut content found in the game’s files tell us precisely this outcome:
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Simply put, the Boneyard, Necropolis, Hub Junktown, Shady Sands and even Lost Hills are wiped out in the following order after the start of the game:
Bone Yard - 90 days
Necropolis- 110 days
Hub - 140 days
Lost Hills - 170 days
Junktown - 210 days
Shady Sands - 230 days
Vault 13 - 500 days (400 days if water caravans are hired, which provide the location earlier to the Super Mutants).
Most of the population is wiped out, with the exception of the BoS, where you find a single surviving Paladin outside the bunker, who says that a few scouting parties and patrolling Paladins were away at the time of the attack, but so few of them are left that at this point “the Brotherhood is dead”.
The video also includes the corresponding ending slides for these groups and a few details, such as the Super Mutants capturing the BoS advanced weapons, but taking a long time to figure how to use them due to their low intelligence. Also, the raiders do manage to pull themselves together and continue their activities.
So basically, no BoS, no NCR, raiders do survive and the Super Mutants slowly learn how to use the BoS hi-tech weapons.
On the other hand, it would be interesting to know what the Master would eventually do if he later figured out on his own that Super Mutants can’t reproduce.
I think this still offers a different perspective, as the vault dweller is captured, the unity takes control of vault 13 first and the Master starts full scale war with the rest of the wasteland.
Cool detail, didn't know about it. Though I agree with some comments there, that a full on slaughter of every living human is not the best piece of writing and does not fit very well with the Master himself who wanted to uplift, rather than obliterate what remained of humanity. "The rest would be allowed to live out their days under Unity control and protection." Going through with the genocide would make a genuinely relatable villain into just another Saturday cartoon one and made the Master much less than what he was.
Besides, I'm having serious doubts about the capability of the Unity to organize, deploy, transport and coordinate (with so few smart mutants) a force large enough to take on Lost Hills first without notice, and second without any sort of reaction from BoS fighting on their home turf with short supply lines and godly training. I also find it doubtful if Mariposa had larger weapon stores than Lost Hills and that the Unity would be able to commit as much resources to the attack, due to them being stretched between different objectives and locations. Also nobody talks about the upkeep of an overwhelmingly large mutant army, which must have been gargantuan by wasteland standards! So no, I doubt that BoS would lose. Oh, and after destroying either Mariposa or Cathedral, the timer should stop, as either would destroy the Unity's combat capability.
I'd ignore that completely- it's just too unfinished and leaves too many questions and plot holes.
@@TheOmegaInitiative I'd love this video alot more if it actually delved into the canon Mutant ending that was cut from the game aswell as go into Super Mutant politics like the Enclave videos instead of just being shafted for an Enclave and BoS alliance
I still don't know why Master couldn't just keep some humans to do more humans to turn into supermutants, that was my first thought when I knew that supermutants can't reproduce.
@@tundcwe123 Yeah, just have some breeding farms like with cattle to make more humans. Though that does possibly lead to inbreeding if there aren't enough humans, and I'm not sure how that is effected by the FEV.
I'd love to see the Aftermath of a Enclave-Brotherhood Victory where the Enclave might eventually try to use Gene therapy or something like that to try to repair the damaged genes from Radiation. Would be nice to see it, probably wouldn't happen but imo a nice idea.
Na. The Enclave could never be good. The developers are too politically biased to ever show mccarthyism in a good light. If they did team up with the brotherhood, the Enclave would betray them at the last stretch like cartoon villains and trip on their nose immediately after.
@@patrioticwhitemail9119 It smells like 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐮𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐦 in here
I could see the Enclave and Brotherhood genuinely teaming up, one is just the post war US government, the other is made up of US Army deserters. Both are elitist, have similar origins, similar goals, a reliance on tech, a love for their power armor, and neither could care about some wastrels trying to survive.
@@patrioticwhitemail9119 you act like anyone in Fallout is a good guy (besides Bethesda’s Fallout 3 rendition of the Brotherhood, or the Minutemen in Fallout 4). In Fallout 2, the Enclave were really only a shade greyer than the Brotherhood, a faction which at least gives you the courtesy of a “f**k off” before they blow you away with their advanced weapons.
@@Slender_Man_186 bad writing. If a DM railroaded my options like fallout's writing does, he'd go on a message board cringe story compilation.
Your content keeps me from stubbing my toe, keep it up man
I don't know how that works, but I will.
This reminds me of a really cool reddit thread where the OP explored what would happen in the future games if the Master had won. Some highlights i remember were House-BOS alliance, the formation of a new Enclave government in DC after their retreat from the West Coast, and the Enclave encountering the Institute.
But none of the following games would happen if the master won in Fallout 1.
Could you link me this thread?
@@TheOmegaInitiativefallout 4 would still happen arguebly since there so far away from new california.
When Fallout 4 dlc's came out, I had hopes for a Mutation Workshop. Similar to the Vault-Tec Workshop dlc, it would have a mission setting. You would start with Strong or a random Super Mutant asking you to help them.
Because the Super Mutants of the Commonwealth were the results of the Institute experimenting on FEV, the Super Mutants lack the means to re-produce. They would ask the Sole Survivor to become their new leader by taking over the town of West Everett Estates from Hammer. Once done, you become the new Master tasked to eliminate the rival Mutant Bosses around the map and bring more mutants under your rule. Even capturing humans for slave labor, food or as new mutants.
And if you have access to the Institute, you'd be tasked to retrieve tanks of the FEV stored in the abandoned section of Bio Science. With the FEV, you would gain access to the Mutant Workbench. Much like the Robot Workbench, the Mutant Workbench gives you the means to create or become your own mutant creature; Super Mutant, Ghoul etc.
i doubt that you'd become a mutant/the master 2.0 yourself but rather become leader of a children of the cathedral type organization
quick somebody write that down
It’s good to know that even without a “chosen one” or legendary vault dweller hero, another force would still rise to combat the evil horde
I definitely want more alternative fallout history you sir have earned my sub.
No problem sir
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@@iplyrunescape305 a man of culture
If this did happen and the brotherhood and enclave took over the US together, would they become 2 separate political party's or would they be entirely separate? If so I can imagine the brotherhood not wanting to invade china while the enclave does, thus creating in-fighting
I just don't see the Encalve working with the brotherhood, at best they're mutants and worse they are traitors to the government in their eyes
@@TheHacknor but they might have too, even the enclave sees that the brotherhood is the best option they have, there better than every faction other than big house but it would take em a while to talk to each other
@@DWG_ I think house would get fucked by the master’s army
@@Jsipki265(I'm useing the fallout new Vegas stats here) some variants of super mutants are more powerful than the bots, such as the nightkin master and beserker, but if we go with the endings that best benefit Mr house and the master then here's 2 problems, mr house owns the dam and with enough time could most likely produce an even bigger army than before(maybe even build a mIII Os), but the master would have to send a lot of mutants scouting for more people, also consider the fact that the mutants aren't very smart, yes the vault 13 mutants are but there still dumber than usual, there's also the fact that Mr house is a genius while the master is well... And Mr house could command his army instantly if he so chose.
@@DWG_ 1. We see that usually when a mutant is leading a unit it’s smarter than the rest
2. Mr house wouldn’t have those resources anyway since he couldn’t possibly find the platinum chip with the help of people helping and since most towns are converted into super mutants, it’s going to be nigh impossible
A classic Enclave-BOS alliance to fight off the Master's army would be a cool idea for a game/mod,and would make for a radically different postgame fallout universe. The Enclave is out of hiding and maybe the two hightech factions fighting a costly war to prevent a grim fate would likely be the beginning of some actual postwar reconstruction instead of a bunch of factions larping in the ruins of the old world. If we factor in the new factions ability to access things like Big MT and the Seirra Madre (vertibird go zoom) to grab the hyperadvanced tech installed in each,they may very well could hit a full post scarcity civilization with prewar population density figures in the westcoast and extensive colonization of the east coast by 2250. Hell if you throw the reawakening of Mr House and recovery of the platinum chip in their normal times we could very well see lunar colonies and massive efforts to clean up the remaining heavily irradiated areas in the CONUS by 2300. Not to mention the fact that the new America would not by the rapidly declining dystopia it had become by 2077,but something completely new built on a nearly clean slate.
Also this avoids the poorly written chucklefuck brigade that was the Fallout 4 factions which makes it pretty good ngl.
Rebuilding the world means less Fallout games, and that's bad for profit.
The Omega Initiative Yeah true,if there was some form of rebuilding going on there wouldn’t exactly be a setting anymore.
Idk... if the masters army was able to reach the east coast and discovered mirelurks...
Amazing video, but here are a couple of points that could change your conclusion.
1) Limited growth of Unity. Mutants are sterile because of FEV, it's likely only real manpower expansion would be capturing new humans or farming them. Capturing new humans would be possible up to a certain point until the effects of military attrition would be felt. Farming people and then turning them into mutants, would work under exponential law i.e. incredibly slow at the start. In real-world developing nations population grows at 3-4% yearly and this is with proper medicine and food, and not in a radioactive wasteland. Considering a low mutation success rate, it would mean that initial force growth would be very slow. This is confirmed in Fallout universe as it took master about 50 years to make a dozen or so mutants. All this means that mutant forces are weakest at the start and only grow stronger, but this growth works on a long enough scale.
Where Unity forces would have a real problem is with officers. In-universe mostly prime mortals would be smart enough to lead any tactical unit, the average mutant is quite dumb. Without officers, it would be just a huge bunch of orks that could be destroyed by any proper military units very fast. Even basic concentration of forces would require a certain level of military command structure, not even talking about more developed strategies. This could remove any manpower or firepower advantage that the mutant army could have. And master's army really struggles in this regard, as at best they could field about 50-60 military-worthy officers after they found Vault 13 (this is with removing any future farming potential). And it would only get worse from this point.
2) Strength of Brotherhood. Brotherhood on the other hand would have peak strength at the beginning of the conflict. Limitation on brotherhood would be equipment, as they mostly rely on scavenging, not producing military equipment. After people realize the threat of mutants, mobilization of nearby cities would start and everyone who can carry a rifle would be joining their resistance, most likely as a part of Brotherhood forces.
With both of these in mind, if what we see in-game (or told, cause amount of characters in-game is much smaller than the universe would imply), it would be a face-off between 500-1000 mutants, with little tactics other than raiding or sieging settlements vs the organized force of perhaps 5k-10k mobilized soldiers, with about 500 paladins. Initially, expansion of Unity would be really slow, as settlements when getting to know the threat would be evacuating or brotherhood using the scorched earth tactic. Human forces would only grow, as raiders and other communities would be joining the military under Brotherhood, as Unity threat grows closer.
Result: I doubt that Unity could expand fast enough to overwhelm Brotherhood. In-game elders are too slow to respond, but this is mostly because they had no real encounters with mutants. With the proper mobilization of forces by Brotherhood and nearby communities and the use of tactics, the mutant army would lose. They don't even have to assault the FEV base or master, as cutting down their growth would be enough. Even if it's not true and master's forces would overwhelm communities nearbly, Enclave would most likely face the threat and do the same thing - cut down the potential growth of mutant manpower by evacuation or *removing* towns and eventually starving mutants to death. Assault at FEV base is an interesting option but functionally would be the same and only accelerate the process. In any case, Brotherhood or Encalve would defeat Unity and would greatly expand their influence. Brotherhood could become similar to Vault City but bigger, more advanced, and with a much bigger population (assuming assimilation of Hub and such). This could mean faster recovery of civilization to something similar to pre-war America(as a brotherhood is influenced by pre-war America) or most of the west coast being under influence of fascist militaristic fanatic Brotherhood(there are parts of brotherhood that are closer to fascist isolationist, as one of Fallout ending confirms). In the case of Enclave, that would most likely accelerate their plans, and the story of Fallout 2 would happen much earlier, but with no "chosen one" to stop them.
I honestly wish we had a fallout with the Enclave as one of the good factions. And I’m not talking about them being included like in New Vegas, like a major faction that determines your ending
Eventually.
Yeah, maybe like enclave reformists or something?
@@randomtommy5606 exactly!
@@thememe-museum8669 yeah, I'd like that
If fallout 5 is set in Chicago I feel like they will go this route
Tho I hope they aren't the bad guy for once
Would be cool if the old school Fallout games worked like the Mass Effect games, where the basic story changes but your character's actions that you made yourself have ripple effects throughout the series.
Unfortunatly they were just too old.
I need to play Mass Effect, been sitting in my library for years now
Quite the interesting thought experiment. Though, I would predict a few key events differently:
At one point you argued that the brotherhood would perceive the Mutants as such a threat that they would go in full and protect the hub. Afaik, the brotherhood does not really care about protecting people and, as you yourself put it, protecting the hub would lead to a sieged position with the only prospect of likely being annihilated slowly but surely.
Thus, I would say that the brotherhood instead would use the hub as bait to occupy the bulk of the mutant army while they go in full to attack the enemys headquarters. The results of that battle would determine the future of the wasteland. In any case, the victor would be severely weakend and it may lead to something similar to the ncr in the region.
Similarly. if the brotherhood is in the hub as you envision it, I would assume that the enclave would use them as bait for the army while doing a full on strike on mariposa base. No need for cooperation, which I btw find unlikely. Although, this attack would basically come out of nowhere for the master. So it could work very well.
But in both of these scenarios, the number of now leaderless super mutants on the west coast would be far greater than it is in the original fallout series, which would make an interesting setting.
Main issue with your statement is that the brotherhood relies on the hub for food and water if the hub falls the brotherhood is going to slowly die of thirst so protecting the hub would be a priority for the brotherhood because it's necessary for their very survival
Well possible continuation here but, with the Enclave likely wanting a sample of the FEV from Maraposa they would likely discover its capabilities, when it comes to the creation of super soldiers and its ability to form an anti mutant plague.
With this its likely that the Enclave would come to the same plan to purify the world as in the normal fallout timeline as they would see this as the best way to save what was left of humanity by killing them before they could be changed into mutants especially since the master had turned so meany by this point.
The only difference we could have is if the Enclave choose to save the brotherhood or let them die with the mutants.
If the brotherhood is saved then the Enclave would have a large militarised force already on the main land with a large civilian population ready to start rebuilding.
If they choose to not warn and save the Brotherhood then the Enclave would try to repopulate on their own but with such a small population such efforts would be slow but they would lack any form of competition.
I've been wanting to see some fallout content like this for a long time, good stuff.
If the enclave at its fallout 2 strength fought the Master I think they would annihilate the masters army with stuff like advanced power armor and frank horrigan there would be no chance for the master
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7:36 Wait you can enter those?
you can. they are filled with exp.
They range from deathclaw, to radskorps, to the occasional raider. Pretty handy.
Great videos dude. I've been playing since 1998, these are definitely my current go-to for Lore videos.
@GreenTea Just increase the playback speed if it hurts your bum bum so much. Easy peasey.
This channel is incredibly underrated for all the effort in these videos
An continuous from this hopeful ending would be interesting...
With brotherhood and enclave being together It would be interesting to see the aftermath and how different the ending and events of the other fallouts would be....
Now this could be a fun game. Hell they could do the same with 76 with the Brotherhood and Enclave.
Unfortunately, given steel reign's optional endings, it doesn't seem the Brotherhood will be involved in any future content.
@@TheOmegaInitiative I don’t think the Brotherhood should even be in Appalachia tbh
@@jacob414 But consider this: Money
@@TheOmegaInitiative True
@@jacob414 definitely possible it's just the terms they use like "Ad Victoriam" and the numbers they have is nuts...the terms they used wouldn't have been used until 2288 when Elder Maxson is on his trip. Numbers wise, they just have too much for the small group they are..
This was a very interesting take, I never really thought about “what if” the vault dweller failed
Alternative history for fallout is a great series idea keep these coming dude
Great video hope you do more like it
I don't see a lot of people talking about The Legion. It might have a harder time forming with the unity expanding, but if The Brotherhood and Enclave can stop the Unity's expansion, or atleast slow it down for like 95 years (I know I'm stretching it). Ceasars legion just might form. It'll certainly be difficult and the culture may be different given the fact that Ceasar comes from the followers and they might be completely wiped out by this point, and if you're this far into this comment you can see that I've givin up because this is basically impossible. Either way I'd love to see Shrek vs Latin dude dressed as an OU Sooner.
Great video my dude just finished watching all you fallout videos keep up the good work
No problem, I should have a new video out in the next few hours.
This channel is going to blow up this year and I can’t wait to watch it happen!
I can't wait either, that sounds pretty epic.
very awesome what if style of video!
wouldn't the enclave just use a bio weapon? I mean they developed them before. Also we seem to be missing out on the possibility of the enclave going deeper inlands to secure weapons of mass destruction, like pre war nukes or the helios one laser, and consequently using them to destroy the cathedral.
They hadn't developed it yet.
I cant believe i missed your channel for all this time,such a gem! Glad youtube recommended me this video so i got to know your channel
I'm glad too
nice video ! i would like to watch more of these (alternate history of the fallout lore)
I think you did it. You made the best outcome fallout could ever see. It’s a shame the Enclave and the brotherhood had to fight because Bethesda thought it would be cool to see power armor soldier vs power armor soldier.
The Brotherhood and the Enclave remnants fighting together at Hoover damn is probably the closest we'll ever get.
@@TheOmegaInitiative well, time to play new Vegas again
@Okbok Tregmas I don’t even know how to respond to you, I’m just kinda done with everyone wanting to throw in their two cents on the internet. I am in no way saying that applies to you, you did bring up several good points, I just am tired of people arguing on the internet. I suppose the best thing I could say is that your statement about “interacting with the Enclave” is wrong because I don’t consider fallout 2 and 3 to be “fanboy wankerism” as you put it. It simply comes down to this: the way that the Enclave as a faction as a whole operates doesn’t make much sense to me and I think their reclusiveness is mostly to blame on bad leadership, because it always is, and if they had a more open-minded leader it would turn out different. I think (I forgot the name of the studio who made fallout 2) the ‘game makers?’ Designed them in a way to be like that, then so be it, I just feel like fallout is a franchise to put more depth into a faction than “good guy bad guy”. Like take a look at Caesar’s Legion. They crucify, and murder, but still, in some aspects are still a better choice than any other faction in New Vegas. Anyway, I’m going to go spend some time doing something else than arguing with people on the internet that I will never meet and that will make no difference in the future.
Both are natural enemies
@Okbok Tregmas Fallout 3 Enclave didn't want to do that, Fallout 76 Enclave didn't want to do that.
Awsome concept :D
I've thought about this many times before. Great video.
I love this fallout alternative history please keep it up man 👍
I would love to see a part 2 for this one, involving Mr. House, and the NCR, and, heck, even the East Coast factions such as the Minutemen and Institute.
Sorry but shady sans was the ncr and I wonder how the unity will react to seeing other mutants
The NCR never existed in this universe lmao, and Mr. House wouldn't do much
asuming bethesda learns to have some creative thought with the fallout ip
this wouldnt be a bad spinoff in the series
I'm sure they'll reach Marvel level popularity where they explore what if scenarios.
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for making it!
You're welcome!
That fail screen with the vault dweller and F.E.V, jesus christ.
It just awakens everything in me that isn't a good emotion.
I cannot imagine the desperation to escape.
And the pain of being dumped in.
if this had been made into a fallout game and obsidian produce it. It would probly be one of the best fallout game in there
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That was a pretty interesting and thought-provoking take that could have repercussions far into D.C. (F3) and the Mojave (FNV) depending on the outcome. Nice work :D
I thinks it's by far the most crucial decision (apart from maybe letting the Enclave win in Fallout 2) that can be made in any Fallout game.
Enclave vs. the Master. Such a cool concept. Thank you for this video!
You're welcome
even if the master won super mutants are sterile they will die out with time
They're basically immortal.
@@TheOmegaInitiative i dont know if they can die from natural causes, but when they are killed they are difficult to replace
@@angelagonzalez8250 The master would find a cure for sterilization or he would kill himself if he can't.
Finally, You Started To Getting More Views You Deserved!
Lets see if it was a fluke.
@@TheOmegaInitiative I Hope You Will Get More Views. By The Way, Are You Planning To Create A Discord Server?
I love the fallout alternative history you should make more videos like this one
I'm not exactly sure what I would do, this was kind of the most interesting scenario.
I like the idea of alternate history for fallout I'll sub incase u make more of these. 👍
Next vid
could you make a part 2 that explores maybe mr house/ the east coast dealing with this
No faction would be able to stop the mutants after they've expanded out of California, unless the Enclave actually at Mount Weather.
@@TheOmegaInitiative Only the unyielding swarm of lobotomite cazadors from Big MT stands a chance.
@@hyperiongm330 and the Sierra madre holo grams
@@hyperiongm330 how many muties do you think the legendary bloatfly could take on before it gets killed
@@dumbidiot5584 All of them and then some
Next time can you please do what if the bombs never dropped in the fallout universe.
I was thinking about that, I can try, but I'm not sure how interesting it would be.
Fallout Pre War. A HOI4 mod in development, set in 2060 till 2080. Grand strategy game but allows a possibility for the player to avoid nuclear war and win as opposing nations. It’s quite interesting and their reddit page has the details for each nation. Else check the discord.
It's likely The Master would have sent scouts into neighboring states, Nevada, Wasignton, maybe even all the way to Arizona/Texas. Entering Nevada and likely finding The Strip would bring House back to activity and, realizing he probably doesnt have much time, get the Dam and the Securitron upgrades early. As House would still need to enlist someone to go do stuff elsewhere for him, such as activating the Securitrons at Fort Worth, it's possible all of the Mojave is united. Well whats there at the time that is. The Enclave re-activating would likely send a team out to the Vertibird base in the Mojave making contact with House in the process as well as reactivating Hidden Valley. This puts the Enclave on 2 sides of The Master while being backed by an army of Securitrons and a united Mojave, and the Enclaves main base off the coast.
I’m really loving these What if...? Vids
Dude can you please make more of these? I’ve been imagining fallout alternate history scenarios in my head since I played fallout 3. Can you make a timeline where the lone wanderer is killed and the enclave takes over project purity successfully?
Edit: this video was terrific. Keep it up 👍
This video was the most interesting to me as it represented one of the earliest and greatest changes that could have happened in Fallout, I'm not opposed to making one about Fallout 3, but I do know there's already videos about the Enclave winning in Fallout 3. I would have to watch all those videos and then make sure I'm presenting something new, but I would want it to possible still.
@@TheOmegaInitiative I see! Sorry lol I just wasn’t sure if the fo3 scenario had already been done yet it was just something I’d been imagining in my head for awhile lol. Regardless of the content you put out I’m sure it’ll be great 👍
@@MoldycheeseJr I'm pretty sure there's a shoddycast video about, I really enjoy their content.
Wait wait wait how could he win if all mutants r sterile
He couldn't everyone would slowly die becouse the master would kill himself after learning that insted of trying to fix this.
The Master was working towards a cure for that during Fallout 1, so, if given more time, he would probably be able to make Supermutants that aren't sterile.
@@powerarmorenthusiast1067 then why did he kill himself after the player says they are sterile.
@@w4rd3n14 because your the player dumbass your supposed to be good at everything
@@w4rd3n14 because plot armor
The bos fighting hordes of supermutants by the side of their patriotic brothers would be an awesome timeline
You have earned a subscriber I hope to see a sequel to this
The masters voice lines are epic
Me when I discover how to use voice changer...
Egh, he didnt win, and now we have a bigger threat, and i'm not talking about Caesars Legion... We need to stop Schizo Elijah and his goons from doing shitposts, seriously, he is insane, thats why he is Schizo.
Back in a day called himself Nordic Joshua Graham, and was doing great videos about DIY, package openings, rap, and crack.
Really? So that's where Nordic Joshua Graham went.
*You have been marked for death*
Ave, true to Scizo
Schizo is cool
the legion doesn't exist yet, we meat its founder in Fallout New Vegas, so Caesar couldn't of even been born yet.
tho hard fought there would also be mr houses robots and even the legion, and because the NCR would not have exsisted the legion would most likely had taken control of new vegas and even possibly mr houses robots, and with the added tribal power it could be safe to say that the legion if smart (using the landscape like the canyons and rivers) they could ambush many of the mutants and if they fail, theres always the chance of their being much more powerful factions in places like texas (if its as gun friendly in fallout as in real life before the war many of those guns and ways of thinking might survive) there would also be east coast chapters of BOS like the Chicago and Appalachian chapters, also the east coast enclave who after learning about the west coast might be more open to supporting the people in a fight and they had much more progress with controlling deathclaws a valuable weapon against supermutents however if the master reaches the super mutents in dc that would end the us
Personally i like to think that the commonwealth would be a hell hole for the masters army as between the glowing sea filled with deathclaws and the institute possibly working with the local factions and on top of that power armor is bloody everywhere due it to being a military zone prewar. i could easily see the factions uniting. it would probably fall however but it would be costly.
the courier United almost all factions ncr won destroying mr.house and legion In fallout new Vegas, brotherhood railroad and minutemen, won in fallout 4 destroying institute, this is best ending for both those games = my head cannon
The Courier > The Chosen One + The Vault Dweller + The Lone Wander + Nate/Nora
The Courier nailed all the profligates onto their new crucifix-shaped homes, you mean?
@@thathappyaussie5209 yeah basically
@@chavezchavo Nate/Nora is just called the Soul Survivor cause u can name the character anything at the beginning of the game, oh and Tho Chosen One is the best in my opinion
@@thathappyaussie5209 𝘚𝘯𝘪𝘧𝘧𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘺 'I smell some bullshit'
"The unity" sounds like a metaphor for forced globalization.
i could see vault 76 residents managing to fight off master's army with the stuff that they got like gauss miniguns actual nukes and all that plus power armor with jetpacks would give them an adventage.so either the vault dweller will just be replaced with a vault dweller from vault 76 in killing the master, but far more likely is that west virginia would become a stronghold for a while
9:28 Alongside the Enclave, there's also the Midwest Chapter of the BOS from Fallout Tactics(Who control everything from Chicago to the rockies), the collection of settlements around the Great Salt Lake mentioned in Van Buren, the Texan Chapter of the BOS from the PS2 game, New Vegas, and the various raider tribes in Colorado that would have eventually become the Legion in the future.
The Midwest Chapter in particular is probably the strongest threat in the middle of the country.
Incredible video, please make more!
it would definetly also make for an interesting story if the Brotherhood and the enclave cooperated in canon
The Enclave/BoS joint attack on the Master's Mariposa base sounds super exciting, conceptually and visually... Not-evil, or not-as-evil Enclave is also really neat as a concept.
It got my imaginations working.
On one night, mutants are guarding the base entry. The area is quiet... until they start hearing an unfamiliar sound. The sound of Vertibirds. And boom! Sentry posts explode out of nowhere, followed by Enclave and BoS come flying down in Vertibirds (I'm just presuming that mutants can't fight as effectively in the dark than in daylight, and power armor has some night fighting equipment). Small number of scouts or a ground forces with, perhaps some heavy equipments are already in the area, and they start attacking the base defense to cover for Vertibirds landing. Mutants defending the entry fire at the Vertibirds. Lots of tracers illuminate the sky. Humans take some casualities, but soon establish the control of the outside, then they enter the base, where they meet some tough mutants and ugly monstrosities. Then they face the Master.
The next day, the base is full of dead mutants, and some crashed Vertibirds are lying around. Enclave and BoS search and eliminate mutant strugglers...
Man, would I love to see a short animation of something like this, done in style of Fallout 1&2 esque cutscenes.
Anyway, it was a very interesting what-if scenario! Nice vid!
Edit:
Oops, I forgot that The Master was not in Mariposa, but at the Cathedoral. I may need to come up with a substitute boss.. haha
What IF the Master won??? You have no idea how many times I got dipped...
This and the video on House getting the Platinum Chip inspired me to conceive of an AU where the survivors of California make a mass exodus to the east, rather than standing and fighting the mutants. Together, the denizens of Nevada start looking for the Platinum Chip in earnest, finding it and activating the Securitron Army. This is only the first step, though, as all the local towns, tribes and factions are told the horror stories of the California Refugees; Big Mountain, the Boomers, the Desert Rangers, all of them make preparations for a unified front.
Meanwhile, back in Cali, the Unity Army is building it's own strength, creating mutant animals for fodder and Psykers for spies and interrogators. Ghouls are accepted into the Unity as well; while not exactly equals to the mutants, they enjoy a higher status than humans. The Enclave stays on the oil rig, relying on their isolation and anonymity, launching hit and run missions while engineering their modified FEV bioweapon as fast as possible, with plans to disperse it via the jetstream as per FO2, unless someone convinces them otherwise.
Then there's the other Enclave outposts like Chicago, Raven Rock and Adams AFB, to say nothing of Vault 0 and the Calculator's Robots...
Fantastic analyses. You may be wrong, but you certainly make a good case.
that was epic. thank you for going into detail about this subject i thought about it too
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I hope you make more of these videos !