@@IronEddie13 Bro's rooting for the faction that gets their best ending when they don't actually win 😂. Specifically using Barter 100 during Mr. House's ending is the best ending in Fallout: NV. The NCR avoids being overstretched, the 100 Barter dialogue with Lanius proves to him that the NCR cannot support itself in the Mojave. Having human soliders guarding caravans in a boiling desert is a lot less optimal than just using House's Sercuritons to guide troops through to the Legions more lucrative territory. Allowing House and NCR to join forces through House's Barter 100 is the best ending, and Hoover Dam runs more efficiently than ever under House's technical experience.
I absolutely love the couriers witty retorts in the House or Independent playthroughs. My favorite line is after General Oliver is praising you and wishing he had a dozen couriers to drop them like jacks around the Mojave, the courier can respond. "Think that's great, you won't believe what happens next" and then the upgraded securtrons come rolling in
@AdventuringMortal I wish with Yesman there was some nicer/diplomatic options there should have been more pro NCR Yesman options. It would make being a dick to the General options way more satisfying to pick
wanna see only caravan playthrough, fixing every mojave's problems by making bets in caravan games, like defeat lanius with your OP sierra madre dead man's hand
From a gameplay and story perspective the yes man ending is easily the best, however I will admit siding with ncr isn't a bad way to go either. Followed by Caesars legion. Joining with Mr house is probably the most boring way to go about it.
Unironically. Killing General Oliver gives NCR a brighter future as Colonel Hsu would likely take his spot. Oliver didn't care so much about diplomatic relations as Hsu did, and in New Vegas, diplomatic relations is everything. I could see a future where Hsu would be able to carve out an uneasy alliance with the Courier, or alternatively unite all of the surrounding factions and settlements against the Courier. The NCR's biggest foe is itself. Half of the leadership is plagued by severe incompetence with Oliver refusing to finish off the Legion, Moore actively ruining relations of other factions, Kimball rapidly annexing land that NCR cannot hold, and Crocket being useless.
Killing him risks making him a martyr which could anger the hire ups and lead them to choose someone like Moore to replace Oliver. Let him leave and return disgraced would completely discredit him, and could lead to someone like Hsu
If you don't expose Chief Hanlon, he'll become Redding's new Senator and be someone who will start the rise of the anti-hawkish movement in the NCR. He correctly states that people like Kimball and Oliver were too imperialistic to realize that their ways were going to leave the Republic open to revolution by the disgruntled people they rolled over.
Colonel Hsu likely takes his spot regardless. The NCR's defeat at the dam proves that leaders like Hsu and Hanlon were right all along while the Crockers, Moores, Olivers, and Kimballs were all wrong. As Max Braddy said, the death of Oliver-especially at the hands of the Courier-would likely turn him into a martyr and galvanize the NCR into a nation that hates the person who now rules The Strip. Considering NCR citizens are nearly the entire profit base of The Strip, that would likely sour the relationship and drastically weaken an Independent New Vegas, all while the NCR regains its strength *and* has an axe to grind for when it reinvades the Mojave. I'd argue the NCR is better off if both Oliver and Kimball survive while the NCR is defeated. They'd return from the Mojave disgraced, lose their positions, and be replaced by more competent leaders-in fact, Chief Hanlon even becomes a senator in one of the possible endings.
You know I would've liked it if you can also reveal your other relationships with the tribes to General Oliver. At the end where he asks if you have what it takes to make a nation you can say "It'll be hard, but I won't be building it alone".
Once again you can't do any worse a job than the NCRs done. As the courier you're able to establish positive relationships with most of the factions in the Mojave, something the NCR has repeatedly failed to do.
Lets hope they make a remake of New vegas or a Directors cut version and actually give the team the proper time to make the game. Don't need upgraded graphics if it causes more issues, just try and make it work.
Only Moore's and his own ironically. Hanlon tried to pull a trick specifically to put an end to that, Crocker's just a civilian trying to get the Mojave through softer means, while Hsu is worried about the Fiends presence in the back lines.
Oliver eagerly throws away his own men for the sake of his own personal glory; it's not about making a point, it's about whether or not he'll be getting the credit for the victory. Since he definitely can't win against the Securitron army, he has no glory to gain here, just more casualties he'll have to account for back home.
"You better have a damn good left hook or I'm not going anywhere" *Behind him, 3000 robots all aim their rapid fire missile launchers directly at the back of his skull*
you know what would be funny but what if. if you have an Idolized reputation with the NCR and still went for the house/independent ending during the confrontation with oliver you get a dialogue choice in where oliver tries to order his men to attack/arrest you but instead his men betrays him and instead supports the courier since they had done a lot more for both NCR and the people of the mojave than him and moore has ever done to them.
God, befriending the major factions to the point they betray their own leaders to join you would be incredible. It would make the ability to have fame and infamy at the same time actually do something, too.
Yep. I imagine the response is "[NCR Rep] Really general? You think your boys are gonna up and shoot me? After everything I've done for them? Go ahead, give the order!"
I like how oliver says that you dont know about the logistics of running a nation while the NCR cant even afford to outfit its troops with standard equipment lol
Too be fair the Mojave is limited by the Long 15 which is a major logistical bottleneck. Were the NCR able to send more, they'd likely monkey-stomp most opposition.
@@youraveragescotsman7119 the problem isn't the bottle neck, its that the ncr stretched itself to far. they had more miles of land, than they have soldiers to defend it. the problem is that they cannot send more, because ncr territory is overrun with bandits& other problems cuased by reaching for more than you than effectively govern.
I think the NCR can furnish their troops with proper gear, but they just don't see the point of giving them to frontier troops, the horrors of the legions are miles away after all.
Build towns? Already here Protect the roads? You send me to shot 3 ants Run supplies? I am a courier if you noticed Train troops? That Upgrade for my robots beat 2 weeks of training and no body armor easy
Towns? - Goodsprings/Primm are good baselines Protect the roads?- the smoking pile of rubble and goo that was known as 3 ants, Powder gangers, the Vipers, Fiends, vault 19, Great Khans, AND a whole nest of Deathclaws at Sloan will tell you other wise. Supplies? already did more than the NCR just farming exp from Forlorn Hope, and Bittersprings Train Troops? The misfits took two lessons and went from NCR to 2nd day on the job Courier tier.
Running supplies, being a courier, the courier already has a lot of established trade connections no doubt, he knows people, and traders already inter-trade with the legion and ncr, and the ncr can't even stop its citizens from visiting vegas even if it wanted to, what makes you think entrepreneur's motivated by wealth is going to stop?
that would be sick, running errands trying to bring order, defending the frontier, that would have been a great content boost of a DLC, but playing a game of civ after being a demigod in nevada wouldnt be a unique DLC to alot of people, and the original idea of "beating the game" is done so it would just be endgame content just to squeeze 10 extra hours out of the player
@@Harsh-tf9he There's a very old mod for this, called RTS, from which bethesda took idea of ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP, but its more like RTS itself, with settlement economics, resources, alliances, caravans, some crazy ass features like copying any piece of equipment with the help of blacksmith. Its not even just a "settlement", it becomes a real city with real economics and stuff, loved to settle near jacobstown's silver pike mine, rich silver and iron resource spot
The best part was the underwear and helmet, imagine some dude is talking back to you (general in the NCR) and said person just killed a legendary leader of your rival and they are just standing there naked with the leaders helmet on covered in blood. That is now canon in my book for New Vegas
If I was Oliver, I would freak out, really. That guy just cleaved through whole legion, killed Lanius with bare hands and now he is standing there like a total badass. I wouldn't oppose the Courier, nope. (Oliver even told him to have a good left hook if he wants to fight) Lanius was a monster plus he was in a full steel armor. Oliver has just his uniform. Not to mention all the robots that aim at him. Is he mad? Why would anyone insult the Courier at this moment.
I love the fact after this serious test of will between the two characters, you actually learn the Courier is naked wearing the Legates helmet LOL i wasnt ready for that
@@greasey8695 * do _too well_ They didn't do _too well_ at giving him direction. And though I agree, it's ironic that his character is as lax and unremarkable about procedure as his VA is about playing the role.
I absolutely love the Yes man ending. You go from being shot in the face to giving every other faction that gave you shit the middle finger, while cleaning up the mess the Legion and NCR did to the land
It's satisfying but realistically the worst ending. The game pretty much says straight up that the whole thing will fall apart after the Courier is gone.
@@bonehed1 It already starts to fall apart even when the Courier is still alive. E.g. Freeside, the one region which supposedly profits most from an independent Vegas, turns into an even worse shithole, with the Followers being completely overwhelmed by the refugee influx.
@@bonehed1 Not inevitably. If you gather all the side factions, they can create a society and after the Courier is gone, continue to grow. Courier surely taught them something, but they each knew something else, about politics, survival, society, supplying, farming, training soldiers etc. Just Khans and Boomers, these two factions are good at various things. If you merge them into a society, they learn from each other, become more civilized and advanced. And then you have other factions and also the common folk of the Wasteland etc. They can all cooperate.
Legends came about of “The Broken Man”, who, like his burned compatriot of the First Battle, was thrown off Hoover Dam. The NCR refuses to speak his name, out of shame how he costed the faction the Dam.
General Oliver was right.. he warned us.. I was never ready for.. "Another settlement needs our help, I'll mark it on your map" I just wasn't ready for that responsibility in fallout 4
Preston is too op. Ncr couldn't stop him, Legion couldn't stop him not even legate because his sheer power of looking for general and unfortunately Courier is the general until Sole Survivor comes out
Can we talk about how scared Oliver looks once you mention the Boomers? He's imagining them in a B-29 Superfortress, flying right over Shady Sands and dropping mini-nukes.
I honestly prefer "I guarantee I've put more thought into the state of the Mojave than you or anyone from NCR." Because it's the truest, clearest rebuttal to what Oliver's actually saying. You've (probably, depending on playthrough) done more good for the people in the Mojave since getting shot in the head and left for dead in a ditch than the entire NCR's done in literal years.
@@UrLeingod If I can unite the majsority of the Mojave while fighting off the legion and finding treasure troves of technology at the Sierra Madre and Big MT, I can lead the Mojave far better than the overstretched nation that is essentially ran by a few monopalistic merchants and ranchers
@@UrLeingod Yeah, considering the courier can potentially exterminate the fiends, dismantle the legion, create peaceful relationships between the ncr and the brotherhood and/or great khans who used to hate each others guts all in the space of a few days, yeah the NCR ain't got shit on them
might have been worse. I'm a firm believer that strict restrictions lead to better games. Silent hill is my favorite example. They added the fog to hide the bad render distance, and it worked beautifully, game wouldn't have been nearly as scary without the fog effects. Maybe if they had more time, they would have overthought things, over planned things. I know they didn't have avalone, and its a big reason why, but they had plenty of time to make outer worlds, and that game was aggressively average at best.
@@VonDelacroix this is true sometimes. Has probably hurt more games than it's helped though. Fallout NV certainly had *a lot* of bugs. And a lot of cut content. The only thing that was in their favor is the game engine was already developed, but even with that, 18 months is a very short time to make all the content they did. Then they had to make a bunch of DLC instead of fix the bugs.
@@thesmellofbacon7595 I have never encountered a bug in fnv, I have been playing since it came out on the 360. I have also never ran into any bugs on non modded pc.
Honestly this game is more of a masterpiece compared to vampire the masquerade bloodlines that's still getting patched this day. At least you can play Fallout NV on the console just fine but Bloodlines can't even handle that.
Courier: How about a joke? Gen. Oliver: … It better be good. What is it? Courier: Hoover Dam. Gen. Oliver: I don’t get it. Courier: You said it. *Shoots Gen. Oliver*
Used to be a NCR fan. Then I got an understanding of ‘em, now I hate him. Only cool thing about them is the Veteran armor, Riot Gear, Desert Ranger armor, and some various others.
@@theeyeoftheyinyangs Just like in a lot of governments, the only decent and likeable people in it are the ones who dont have the authority to improve it.
To be fair the courier isn't really "building a nation" they're taking over a gang territory The general seems to think the only way to succeed is to take all the land the Mojave has to offer but really this is new Vegas people come, gamble, and leave who needs conquest when you have a steady stream of caps and an army of robots who can protect visitors casinos and shops and don't need food, water, medicine, or even training
@@rivepest6158 Plus, if you could get the necessary manufacturing facilities up & running again, you could be churning out new 'troops' in droves... quicker than NCR can find more poorly trained conscripts, that's for sure!
Courier: Yeah lemme get that cigar. I could use a smoke after my second conquest today. Oliver: Wait what was the first? Courier: Your Mom Oliver: My Mother's dead Courier: I know
I never got that cutscene so when I saw it in someone's video I just thought it was a funny animation they made for the video, didn't know it was an actual cutscene, i love it
Funny how the threat of the Boomers is enough to make the NCR retreat even though the NCR has an air force that’s larger and more skilled than the Boomers.
Thing is, the Courier has built built towns. According to Ulysses. If it weren’t for the courier, settlements in the Divide wouldn’t have flourished. Only reason it didn’t was because the NCR wanted to use the divide as a way to bring in more troops and caravans into the Mojave, which made Caesar send in troops to intervene. And because the NCR used the Courier to deliver a package that ended up waking up the nukes in the Silos. So the NCR is just as capable of destroying towns just as much as they are building them. The courier was braving the harsh conditions of the divide to deliver to people living in the divide.
I always loved how Yes-Man is only *technically* a yes man. It's very easy to tell when he thinks something is a bad idea or a good one, and you know when he's actually praising you or not. His job is mostly to help you take control of the Mojave, and being a full on sycophant who only does what you say would be detrimental to that.
house had 2 centuries of area planning and it's known for taking notes, so there are for sure schemes and possible starting setups in his network beside, that's the point of independant, you can build it up to absolute success, or you can demolish thing and made vegas the next whore to be run over by overzealous riders
@@jacksonmanitoulinisland See, that's what I like about the Independent ending and why I only discuss it with others who realize this too. Everyone who has picked a team has cherry-picked quotes they think proves that their ending is better than Independent. Meanwhile, everyone who actually thought about the Independent ending has written at least one dissertation on their ideas for a kinder, more equitable society that avoids the mistakes of those who came before. After you show that you've thought about the challenges and have solutions, then they start saying stuff like "but but but you play as a mailman with brain damage" like being someone who has braved the worst the wasteland has to offer and survived an attempt on their life disqualifies you from being a competent leader. Oh, and the ending slide quotes. Like yeah, the initial stage of any revolution is bloody and the Followers get overwhelmed. That's why you use the Securitrons to establish peace again and use some profits from Vegas to fund the Followers' efforts. Yeah, NCR brass will want to come back for round two. That's why you do a bunch of quests for them. Establish yourself as someone who is truly dedicated to improving the lives of everyone else. Some people will defect immediately, others will see your results and join up later, and the rest won't think too highly of trying to conquer land held by people who just want to live peacefully. Personally, I think a loose coalition of independent settlements would be best. Most towns and tribes seem to think that war is bad, so getting them to agree to live peacefully with their neighbors wouldn't be too.
@@Ideabot_69 Honestly, if you analyze the geopolitics of New Vegas well enough, you could give dissertations on why every ending is good. While I don't think the Independent ending is at all better than House's vision of the future, I will agree that the vagueness of the ending can mean anything and everything, from utter chaos (which the independent ending slides suggest) to wasteland utopia under the Courier's -- and by extension the Yes Man and the Securitrons' -- watch. Regardless of whether or not the main factions have represented your ideologies, there is an ending waiting for you in the game. It's why I still consider New Vegas as a prominent example of how a game can provide a unique narrative experience in a way that films and books could never replicate. There aren't many places where you can find constant debates on what ending is the best while understanding that every ending is, in their own way, relatively perfect.
I wish there was a way to have an independent Vegas but be allied with the NCR as a type of coalition. Like a "I have control of the dam and Vegas but I'll assist the NCR in their fights" type of deal.
Courier doesn't need to train troops he just needs to manage the securitrons They have absolute loyalty and no fear if the legion could clear the roads the courier could most towns are pretty cooperative as long as they don't get too reliant on the courier it wouldn't be all that bad Could even give the NCR some energy from hoover dam too keep them off his back
Imagine general Oliver is still alive. Then On the next fallout game that is set on the west coast again. We see him, trying to get revenge. If this is canon lol.
I know the NCR is not completely innocent, but each time I hear the general saying "C-can you order them to put away their weapons? i was just reaching my coat to give you a cigar", I really feel bad for him X'D
General Oliver Lee is one of the most laughable characters in New Vegas. Hell, the entirety of the NCR- with the exception of the Rangers, who are really Mojave natives to begin with -are a laughingstock. They clearly overstretched themselves, are woefully incompetent at handling the numerous problems present in the Mojave, and yet still have the utter _gall_ to pretend that they can hold the Dam and New Vegas. Not being able to ice every last one of them with all the forces I’ve collected by the end of the game is pretty disappointing after you have to have this ridiculous conversation with the General.
Seeing those Rangers just reminded me of the Ghost People. If you leave Christine alive, she basically becomes their queen (I think that's what the game says??? She definitely walks among them, tho.) I wonder how different the fight for Hoover Dam would be if you reached out to the Sierra Madre and requested help from Christine and the ghost people. Has nothing to do with the video, but, ya know. I looked really quickly and thought they were the Ghost People and was like, "What?" but nah, they're just Rangers
He’s really lying to himself about the NCR’s return to Vegas, the people, the barons and the politicians are sick of funding the campaign, a complete loss of Vegas would be the final straw.
I had mined our 6' in case Lee Oliver and gang decided to throw down. (I had Cannibal Johnson with me) and after General Lee Oliver and I came to a truce - I forgot to remove our fragmines! It came to a shitdown with Lee Oliver still mid-air, while I was punching him with the "Golden gloves", looking, to see if Mr. House saw where his gloves went. 😂 It was so funny. Even Mr. House threw down(😅) and got the last shots into a pile of Ncr Rangers that wound up at the gate. 5 plasma mines had sent them flying, Lee Oliver on his face, and me to undress and stack all to drugs South-East of New Reno. Oh, fuck. Cannibal Johnson.. That I forgot to remove the "Plan b: Retreat line" of mines.😅
1:22 People dont reallt talk about Fallout NV's facial expressions, which, makes sense. It was 2010 Creation Engine. BUT. I was playing this without mods, and I love this little moment where you can just tell in his voice AND perfect expression how hes just been threatened. He immediately goes from irritated to clearly and realistically afraid, not just a typical 😡 to ☹️ like most games, especially at the time. Only time in this game I noticed how good the expressions were too.
I despise how Oliver is written here. In both the Legion and NCR playthroughs, he's rational, even noble. Here? He's like "Hi, yes, please obliterate me and feel great about it, lemme grow a mustache to twirl on the way down!"
I can see star (Bethesda game idk the name of) being the building blocks for a huge fallout game. Like how the general said the bear claw spans from most of California. You can go through loading screens to get to these areas. Like say I can go from Massachusetts commonwealth to new Vegas through a vertibird or train
i honestly hope the canon lore for Fallout NV is that the courier took over NV with Yes Man. and when we do get a new NV game, we get to actually see the courier.
That won't happen. Most likely we'll get something like fallout 2, where things are heavily implied but never outright stated to be canon, with some exceptions like that marcus survives fallout 2.
That dialogue option of "my sycophant tells me yes" is fantastic, especially when you realize your advisor is Yes-man who can't tell you no
It's also a jab at General Oliver himself, who is President Kimball's personal Yes Man.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness and Kimball's the brahmin barons Yes Man
Isn't that the whole joke?
Exactly the reason why the cannon ending is NCR
@@IronEddie13 Bro's rooting for the faction that gets their best ending when they don't actually win 😂. Specifically using Barter 100 during Mr. House's ending is the best ending in Fallout: NV. The NCR avoids being overstretched, the 100 Barter dialogue with Lanius proves to him that the NCR cannot support itself in the Mojave. Having human soliders guarding caravans in a boiling desert is a lot less optimal than just using House's Sercuritons to guide troops through to the Legions more lucrative territory. Allowing House and NCR to join forces through House's Barter 100 is the best ending, and Hoover Dam runs more efficiently than ever under House's technical experience.
I absolutely love the couriers witty retorts in the House or Independent playthroughs. My favorite line is after General Oliver is praising you and wishing he had a dozen couriers to drop them like jacks around the Mojave, the courier can respond.
"Think that's great, you won't believe what happens next" and then the upgraded securtrons come rolling in
My sycophant tells me "yes"
@@SpontaneousCourage That's a great one too!
Single courier wins entire war, you won’t believe what happens next
And now it's just just
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@AdventuringMortal I wish with Yesman there was some nicer/diplomatic options there should have been more pro NCR Yesman options. It would make being a dick to the General options way more satisfying to pick
[Repair 79/80] Uhh...the bomber ran out of fuel.Wanna play Caravan?
wanna see only caravan playthrough, fixing every mojave's problems by making bets in caravan games, like defeat lanius with your OP sierra madre dead man's hand
Whoops.
Oh no, now we're gonna send General Oliver to the shadow realm!
**nods**
*Nods Head*
Throwing General Lee Oliver off the dam is canon in my opinion.
Welp, guess I know what I'm doing next playthrough.
Just don't set him on fire first
Can't be. The House wins.
From a gameplay and story perspective the yes man ending is easily the best, however I will admit siding with ncr isn't a bad way to go either. Followed by Caesars legion. Joining with Mr house is probably the most boring way to go about it.
Everything after and including fo4 is non canon
Unironically. Killing General Oliver gives NCR a brighter future as Colonel Hsu would likely take his spot. Oliver didn't care so much about diplomatic relations as Hsu did, and in New Vegas, diplomatic relations is everything. I could see a future where Hsu would be able to carve out an uneasy alliance with the Courier, or alternatively unite all of the surrounding factions and settlements against the Courier. The NCR's biggest foe is itself. Half of the leadership is plagued by severe incompetence with Oliver refusing to finish off the Legion, Moore actively ruining relations of other factions, Kimball rapidly annexing land that NCR cannot hold, and Crocket being useless.
Killing him risks making him a martyr which could anger the hire ups and lead them to choose someone like Moore to replace Oliver. Let him leave and return disgraced would completely discredit him, and could lead to someone like Hsu
The other half of ncr leadership is just plain greedy.
If you don't expose Chief Hanlon, he'll become Redding's new Senator and be someone who will start the rise of the anti-hawkish movement in the NCR. He correctly states that people like Kimball and Oliver were too imperialistic to realize that their ways were going to leave the Republic open to revolution by the disgruntled people they rolled over.
Colonel Hsu likely takes his spot regardless. The NCR's defeat at the dam proves that leaders like Hsu and Hanlon were right all along while the Crockers, Moores, Olivers, and Kimballs were all wrong. As Max Braddy said, the death of Oliver-especially at the hands of the Courier-would likely turn him into a martyr and galvanize the NCR into a nation that hates the person who now rules The Strip. Considering NCR citizens are nearly the entire profit base of The Strip, that would likely sour the relationship and drastically weaken an Independent New Vegas, all while the NCR regains its strength *and* has an axe to grind for when it reinvades the Mojave.
I'd argue the NCR is better off if both Oliver and Kimball survive while the NCR is defeated. They'd return from the Mojave disgraced, lose their positions, and be replaced by more competent leaders-in fact, Chief Hanlon even becomes a senator in one of the possible endings.
Oliver has a high chance of killing himself after this fiasco, so... not much of a difference?
"some courier-walk-the-wasteland-fuck" to this day is the best insult I've ever heard.
it feels like a fuck-off to every player in rpgs lol
Too bad it usually gets followed by the best comeback- throwing his ass off hoover dam 😂
And that's why he's the general.
Always struck me as odd that in one breath, Oliver is nervously asking you to tell the Securitrons to stand down and in the very next one acts hard.
In his defence he may have been distracted by having Hoover Dam taken from him by someone he sees as a nobody.
@@kieranwalsh2058 And a Mailman at that
@@taylorstratford9717 "DON'T CALL ME A GOD DAMN MAILMAN!"
@@dj11o9er What? Should I call you a 'Courier'??? SAME EXACT THING!
It is a bit jarring, but logically he would've been riled up by the comment.
You know I would've liked it if you can also reveal your other relationships with the tribes to General Oliver. At the end where he asks if you have what it takes to make a nation you can say "It'll be hard, but I won't be building it alone".
That would have been perfect
I guess if they’d had time to properly flesh out the Great Khans and add the other tribes, we could’ve gotten that line of dialogue
Once again you can't do any worse a job than the NCRs done. As the courier you're able to establish positive relationships with most of the factions in the Mojave, something the NCR has repeatedly failed to do.
@@SportyMabamba new vegas could have been a perfect game if obsidian had more time. Kinda breaks my heart thinking about it.
Lets hope they make a remake of New vegas or a Directors cut version and actually give the team the proper time to make the game.
Don't need upgraded graphics if it causes more issues, just try and make it work.
2:06 "And I'm not eager to toss lives at them just to make a point"
I'm sorry but isn't that NCR leadership's entire MO?
he gives his opinion, his superiors don't listen.
And the Legion’s.
Only Moore's and his own ironically. Hanlon tried to pull a trick specifically to put an end to that, Crocker's just a civilian trying to get the Mojave through softer means, while Hsu is worried about the Fiends presence in the back lines.
Oliver eagerly throws away his own men for the sake of his own personal glory; it's not about making a point, it's about whether or not he'll be getting the credit for the victory. Since he definitely can't win against the Securitron army, he has no glory to gain here, just more casualties he'll have to account for back home.
@@UrLeingod And now he has no say in anything. I mean...
Yes Man, throw this guy out, he bores me.
*Yes Man intensifies*
"You better have a damn good left hook or I'm not going anywhere"
*Behind him, 3000 robots all aim their rapid fire missile launchers directly at the back of his skull*
WATCH THOSE WRIST ROCKETS!
And if it could even be laser pointer.
[Courier takes a sip of his trusty Vault 13 canteen]
Just like the simulations!
you know what would be funny but what if. if you have an Idolized reputation with the NCR and still went for the house/independent ending during the confrontation with oliver you get a dialogue choice in where oliver tries to order his men to attack/arrest you but instead his men betrays him and instead supports the courier since they had done a lot more for both NCR and the people of the mojave than him and moore has ever done to them.
That would’ve been awesome!
God, befriending the major factions to the point they betray their own leaders to join you would be incredible. It would make the ability to have fame and infamy at the same time actually do something, too.
Would be poetic too.
What with democracy and all that
@@Yusuf-mw8hs I love democracy.
Yes Man execute order 66.
Yep. I imagine the response is "[NCR Rep] Really general? You think your boys are gonna up and shoot me? After everything I've done for them? Go ahead, give the order!"
I like how oliver says that you dont know about the logistics of running a nation while the NCR cant even afford to outfit its troops with standard equipment lol
Or even the ability to supply itself without hiring a stranger
Too be fair the Mojave is limited by the Long 15 which is a major logistical bottleneck.
Were the NCR able to send more, they'd likely monkey-stomp most opposition.
@@youraveragescotsman7119 the problem isn't the bottle neck, its that the ncr stretched itself to far.
they had more miles of land, than they have soldiers to defend it.
the problem is that they cannot send more, because ncr territory is overrun with bandits& other problems cuased by reaching for more than you than effectively govern.
@@cr90captain89 dont forget the corruption within the NCR's goverment, which is being ran by crime families and brahmin baron's like heck gunderson.
I think the NCR can furnish their troops with proper gear, but they just don't see the point of giving them to frontier troops, the horrors of the legions are miles away after all.
Build towns? Already here
Protect the roads? You send me to shot 3 ants
Run supplies? I am a courier if you noticed
Train troops? That Upgrade for my robots beat 2 weeks of training and no body armor easy
Yeah can't do a worse job then the NCR
Towns? - Goodsprings/Primm are good baselines
Protect the roads?- the smoking pile of rubble and goo that was known as 3 ants, Powder gangers, the Vipers, Fiends, vault 19, Great Khans, AND a whole nest of Deathclaws at Sloan will tell you other wise.
Supplies? already did more than the NCR just farming exp from Forlorn Hope, and Bittersprings
Train Troops? The misfits took two lessons and went from NCR to 2nd day on the job Courier tier.
Don't forget the mission where you literally train a squad of NCR troops.
There's more on the roads than just a bunch of ants, but there's nothing that an army of Securitrons or a courier in Enclave gear can't fix.
Running supplies, being a courier, the courier already has a lot of established trade connections no doubt, he knows people, and traders already inter-trade with the legion and ncr, and the ncr can't even stop its citizens from visiting vegas even if it wanted to, what makes you think entrepreneur's motivated by wealth is going to stop?
its like new vegas was preparing you to play another chapter of the character managing the independent vegas, keeping alliances, state building, etc
that would be sick, running errands trying to bring order, defending the frontier, that would have been a great content boost of a DLC, but playing a game of civ after being a demigod in nevada wouldnt be a unique DLC to alot of people, and the original idea of "beating the game" is done so it would just be endgame content just to squeeze 10 extra hours out of the player
@@Harsh-tf9he There's a very old mod for this, called RTS, from which bethesda took idea of ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP, but its more like RTS itself, with settlement economics, resources, alliances, caravans, some crazy ass features like copying any piece of equipment with the help of blacksmith. Its not even just a "settlement", it becomes a real city with real economics and stuff, loved to settle near jacobstown's silver pike mine, rich silver and iron resource spot
The best part was the underwear and helmet, imagine some dude is talking back to you (general in the NCR) and said person just killed a legendary leader of your rival and they are just standing there naked with the leaders helmet on covered in blood. That is now canon in my book for New Vegas
Lmfaoooooooo
If I was Oliver, I would freak out, really.
That guy just cleaved through whole legion, killed Lanius with bare hands and now he is standing there like a total badass. I wouldn't oppose the Courier, nope. (Oliver even told him to have a good left hook if he wants to fight)
Lanius was a monster plus he was in a full steel armor. Oliver has just his uniform. Not to mention all the robots that aim at him. Is he mad? Why would anyone insult the Courier at this moment.
@@FluffySylveonBoi Imagine Frank Horrigan coming out after defeating Lanius lmao. Poor oliver
I love the fact after this serious test of will between the two characters, you actually learn the Courier is naked wearing the Legates helmet LOL i wasnt ready for that
I love how colorful Lee Oliver’s dialogue is.
Well he was written as inspired by the likes of Gen. Patton and other f-bomb military types.
I love how colorful everyone’s dialogue is.
Shame he got a generic VA. Dude has to read billions of lines and can't really get into character for each one, can't blame him
@@SomeGuyXD65
His delivery at this most vital of moments is terrible, seems like they didn’t do good at giving him direction.
@@greasey8695 * do _too well_
They didn't do _too well_ at giving him direction.
And though I agree, it's ironic that his character is as lax and unremarkable about procedure as his VA is about playing the role.
And here I thought I knew all the outcomes. I'm glad you didn't label this video "HIDDEN UNIQUE ULTRA RARE DIALOGUE" like some other channels do
_"You've probably been to the Prospector Saloon, but did you know that right next to it is a general store?"_
this is vanilla?
@@TheReaverOfDarkness WAIT REALLY?
ARE YOU SURE THATS VANILLA?
I absolutely love the Yes man ending. You go from being shot in the face to giving every other faction that gave you shit the middle finger, while cleaning up the mess the Legion and NCR did to the land
What's even cooler than siding with the Legion or the NCR, is siding with yourself and cleaning up those twos' mess!
And nuking both so Vegas can become the new powerhouse
It's satisfying but realistically the worst ending. The game pretty much says straight up that the whole thing will fall apart after the Courier is gone.
@@bonehed1 It already starts to fall apart even when the Courier is still alive. E.g. Freeside, the one region which supposedly profits most from an independent Vegas, turns into an even worse shithole, with the Followers being completely overwhelmed by the refugee influx.
@@bonehed1 Not inevitably. If you gather all the side factions, they can create a society and after the Courier is gone, continue to grow. Courier surely taught them something, but they each knew something else, about politics, survival, society, supplying, farming, training soldiers etc. Just Khans and Boomers, these two factions are good at various things. If you merge them into a society, they learn from each other, become more civilized and advanced. And then you have other factions and also the common folk of the Wasteland etc. They can all cooperate.
Legends came about of “The Broken Man”, who, like his burned compatriot of the First Battle, was thrown off Hoover Dam.
The NCR refuses to speak his name, out of shame how he costed the faction the Dam.
What about
The Fractured Man
The Vaporized Man
and The Bloody Goo Man?
And my favorite The Ash Pile Man!
the wet man
The Drowned Man
He went to Yosemite National Park and became a Jehovahs Witness
This ended exactly the way I wanted to... With general Oliver getting thrown over the dam
Securitrons! Throw him off the damn....
“Courier-walk-the-wasteland-fuck”?
Would you like to rephrase?
Nice reference to the Russian badger
General Oliver was right.. he warned us..
I was never ready for..
"Another settlement needs our help, I'll mark it on your map" I just wasn't ready for that responsibility in fallout 4
At least its not raining.
By the way, there is a settlement in trouble and they need our help. Here, I'll mark it on your map
Preston Garvey is on the other coast, I refuse to believe he made it through Legion territory. He cant hurt me in Vegas.
@@andrewbryner2187
*Preston laughs in essential*
@@andrewbryner2187 he is 400km from your location and approaching rapidly …..start running
Preston is too op. Ncr couldn't stop him, Legion couldn't stop him not even legate because his sheer power of looking for general and unfortunately Courier is the general until Sole Survivor comes out
Ah yes. Yes-Man, throw General Oliver off the dam - said courier while standing meanacingly in his underwear
To be fair, witnessing a guy in just his boxers murder an army of elite legion warriors would be pretty menacing
I love how it hangs after dialogue end just long enough for you to see the face of one of the securitrons change to Yes Mans face
I think if you look closely, the Securitron right behind him always had Yes Man's face.
Oliver was really scared shit out of The horde of Securitron MK2 behind him
Can we talk about how scared Oliver looks once you mention the Boomers? He's imagining them in a B-29 Superfortress, flying right over Shady Sands and dropping mini-nukes.
I think the most intimidating part of all of this is the fact that when it zooms out, your just wearing a helmet, and not really anything else.
[General]: "You better have a good left hook."
[My Unarmed 100 Courrier with the Slayer, Super Slam, Atomic! and Implant-GRX perks]: "And I do." 👊
How the hell did you not choose "My Sycophant tells me "Yes"" that is such an epic line omg
I honestly prefer "I guarantee I've put more thought into the state of the Mojave than you or anyone from NCR." Because it's the truest, clearest rebuttal to what Oliver's actually saying. You've (probably, depending on playthrough) done more good for the people in the Mojave since getting shot in the head and left for dead in a ditch than the entire NCR's done in literal years.
@@UrLeingod If I can unite the majsority of the Mojave while fighting off the legion and finding treasure troves of technology at the Sierra Madre and Big MT, I can lead the Mojave far better than the overstretched nation that is essentially ran by a few monopalistic merchants and ranchers
@@UrLeingod Yeah, considering the courier can potentially exterminate the fiends, dismantle the legion, create peaceful relationships between the ncr and the brotherhood and/or great khans who used to hate each others guts all in the space of a few days, yeah the NCR ain't got shit on them
@@UrLeingod IT's not a ditch, it's grave. A shallow grave, but a grave nonetheless.
I really wish they had more time to make the game. With how good it is, imagine how good it could've been without such an insane release window.
might have been worse. I'm a firm believer that strict restrictions lead to better games. Silent hill is my favorite example. They added the fog to hide the bad render distance, and it worked beautifully, game wouldn't have been nearly as scary without the fog effects.
Maybe if they had more time, they would have overthought things, over planned things. I know they didn't have avalone, and its a big reason why, but they had plenty of time to make outer worlds, and that game was aggressively average at best.
@@VonDelacroix this is true sometimes. Has probably hurt more games than it's helped though. Fallout NV certainly had *a lot* of bugs. And a lot of cut content. The only thing that was in their favor is the game engine was already developed, but even with that, 18 months is a very short time to make all the content they did. Then they had to make a bunch of DLC instead of fix the bugs.
@@thesmellofbacon7595 I have never encountered a bug in fnv, I have been playing since it came out on the 360. I have also never ran into any bugs on non modded pc.
@NosePowder I've encountered a few, mostly in the dlc. But yeah, especially by today's standards, it was pretty polished within a year.
Honestly this game is more of a masterpiece compared to vampire the masquerade bloodlines that's still getting patched this day.
At least you can play Fallout NV on the console just fine but Bloodlines can't even handle that.
You know the man is a high level when the camera pans out and he's naked
Courier: How about a joke?
Gen. Oliver: … It better be good. What is it?
Courier: Hoover Dam.
Gen. Oliver: I don’t get it.
Courier: You said it. *Shoots Gen. Oliver*
Brilliant
Used to be a NCR fan. Then I got an understanding of ‘em, now I hate him. Only cool thing about them is the Veteran armor, Riot Gear, Desert Ranger armor, and some various others.
@@theeyeoftheyinyangs Just like in a lot of governments, the only decent and likeable people in it are the ones who dont have the authority to improve it.
I found better version from memes about Winter war.. Instead of saying "You said it." it should have been ""and you never will".
Damn… Why didn’t I think of that?
To be fair the courier isn't really "building a nation" they're taking over a gang territory
The general seems to think the only way to succeed is to take all the land the Mojave has to offer but really this is new Vegas people come, gamble, and leave who needs conquest when you have a steady stream of caps and an army of robots who can protect visitors casinos and shops and don't need food, water, medicine, or even training
And - not to forget - with the courier having Hoover Dam the electricity for the Securitrons is literally free
@@rivepest6158 Plus, if you could get the necessary manufacturing facilities up & running again, you could be churning out new 'troops' in droves... quicker than NCR can find more poorly trained conscripts, that's for sure!
Courier: Yeah lemme get that cigar. I could use a smoke after my second conquest today.
Oliver: Wait what was the first?
Courier: Your Mom
Oliver: My Mother's dead
Courier: I know
DAAAAAAMN!! Where’s THAT brutal dialogue?
@@theeyeoftheyinyangs You think that's brutal? Go check out Oliver's Mom's corpse.
"And then everyone clapped"
@@eyeswithoutaface8140 as if the mothers body wasn't punished enough
@@TheVulturis that was good, you got me with that lol 🤣
I never got that cutscene so when I saw it in someone's video I just thought it was a funny animation they made for the video, didn't know it was an actual cutscene, i love it
I thought it was a cutscene made in gmod
Oliver:Get away from me you goddamn TV on wheels!
Yes Man: :D
2:43
Even though I side with NCR in many playthroughs, I do enjoy to throwing general oliver off the dam
So would half the people in the NCR in game
Funny how the threat of the Boomers is enough to make the NCR retreat even though the NCR has an air force that’s larger and more skilled than the Boomers.
Thing is, the Courier has built built towns. According to Ulysses. If it weren’t for the courier, settlements in the Divide wouldn’t have flourished. Only reason it didn’t was because the NCR wanted to use the divide as a way to bring in more troops and caravans into the Mojave, which made Caesar send in troops to intervene. And because the NCR used the Courier to deliver a package that ended up waking up the nukes in the Silos. So the NCR is just as capable of destroying towns just as much as they are building them. The courier was braving the harsh conditions of the divide to deliver to people living in the divide.
"-I was just reaching in my coat to give you a cigar"
[Intelligence 10] Aktually sir it appears you are not wearing a coat
Any ending where Oliver does the spin of shame are cannon as far as I'm concerned.
I always loved how Yes-Man is only *technically* a yes man. It's very easy to tell when he thinks something is a bad idea or a good one, and you know when he's actually praising you or not.
His job is mostly to help you take control of the Mojave, and being a full on sycophant who only does what you say would be detrimental to that.
Yes Man would be so much less cool if he didn’t have that sarcasm
He does have several points regarding government and development, that yes man had no answer for.
no oliver big dum,yes man smert!
That's the best part about the independent ending tho. You can think up anything you want for your courier after the game ends. Do what you want!
house had 2 centuries of area planning and it's known for taking notes, so there are for sure schemes and possible starting setups in his network
beside, that's the point of independant, you can build it up to absolute success, or you can demolish thing and made vegas the next whore to be run over by overzealous riders
@@jacksonmanitoulinisland See, that's what I like about the Independent ending and why I only discuss it with others who realize this too.
Everyone who has picked a team has cherry-picked quotes they think proves that their ending is better than Independent.
Meanwhile, everyone who actually thought about the Independent ending has written at least one dissertation on their ideas for a kinder, more equitable society that avoids the mistakes of those who came before.
After you show that you've thought about the challenges and have solutions, then they start saying stuff like "but but but you play as a mailman with brain damage" like being someone who has braved the worst the wasteland has to offer and survived an attempt on their life disqualifies you from being a competent leader. Oh, and the ending slide quotes. Like yeah, the initial stage of any revolution is bloody and the Followers get overwhelmed. That's why you use the Securitrons to establish peace again and use some profits from Vegas to fund the Followers' efforts. Yeah, NCR brass will want to come back for round two. That's why you do a bunch of quests for them. Establish yourself as someone who is truly dedicated to improving the lives of everyone else. Some people will defect immediately, others will see your results and join up later, and the rest won't think too highly of trying to conquer land held by people who just want to live peacefully.
Personally, I think a loose coalition of independent settlements would be best. Most towns and tribes seem to think that war is bad, so getting them to agree to live peacefully with their neighbors wouldn't be too.
@@Ideabot_69 Honestly, if you analyze the geopolitics of New Vegas well enough, you could give dissertations on why every ending is good.
While I don't think the Independent ending is at all better than House's vision of the future, I will agree that the vagueness of the ending can mean anything and everything, from utter chaos (which the independent ending slides suggest) to wasteland utopia under the Courier's -- and by extension the Yes Man and the Securitrons' -- watch. Regardless of whether or not the main factions have represented your ideologies, there is an ending waiting for you in the game.
It's why I still consider New Vegas as a prominent example of how a game can provide a unique narrative experience in a way that films and books could never replicate. There aren't many places where you can find constant debates on what ending is the best while understanding that every ending is, in their own way, relatively perfect.
'You know what it takes to train troops...'
'Don't need to, I have robots.'
"I guarantee I've put more thought into the state of the Mojave than you or anyone in the NCR."
LMAO
I wish there was a way to have an independent Vegas but be allied with the NCR as a type of coalition. Like a "I have control of the dam and Vegas but I'll assist the NCR in their fights" type of deal.
Courier doesn't need to train troops he just needs to manage the securitrons They have absolute loyalty and no fear
if the legion could clear the roads the courier could most towns are pretty cooperative as long as they don't get too reliant on the courier it wouldn't be all that bad
Could even give the NCR some energy from hoover dam too keep them off his back
now that you mention it, the courier could make a killing off selling some of the energy from hoover dam and helios one to the ncr
Imagine general Oliver is still alive. Then On the next fallout game that is set on the west coast again. We see him, trying to get revenge. If this is canon lol.
2:32 GOOD GRAVY HE'S NAKED!
I think the "oliver fall from the dam" cutscene is the only cutscene in nv
There’s also the opening one
@@yellowcoat970 but it's not a cutscene with the game engine I think
0:14 This is such an underrated line.
I love how the conversation ends with a semi naked courier
Mojave News: Some Courier-walk-the-wasteland-fuck overthrown the entire mojave with a goddamn TV on wheels with 5 simple steps
I know the NCR is not completely innocent, but each time I hear the general saying "C-can you order them to put away their weapons? i was just reaching my coat to give you a cigar", I really feel bad for him X'D
"piss on the bear." Fancy Lad snack cakesxD haha! This is too good.
The narrator would come over after this and just simply say “the Mojave was terribly fucked.”
Man, I couldn't stop laughing. 😭😭😭 Yes man literally took what you said at face value and pitched him off the dam. LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣
General Oliver Lee is one of the most laughable characters in New Vegas. Hell, the entirety of the NCR- with the exception of the Rangers, who are really Mojave natives to begin with -are a laughingstock. They clearly overstretched themselves, are woefully incompetent at handling the numerous problems present in the Mojave, and yet still have the utter _gall_ to pretend that they can hold the Dam and New Vegas.
Not being able to ice every last one of them with all the forces I’ve collected by the end of the game is pretty disappointing after you have to have this ridiculous conversation with the General.
The rangers by and large are not mojave natives. The rangers were in fallout 2, before the NCR even knew what the mojave was.
@@mappingshaman5280 ohhhh. My bad! I could have sworn they said they were originally from the Mojave, but then again I’ve only played FNV. 🙃
Oliver getting tossed by the Yes-man was funny lol
I about pissed myself at the image of the naked courier with a baguette sheathed at his waist
1:40
I like how he describes the settlment system that would eventually be used in Fallout 4.
I love this franchise so much.
Nobody ever questions how Yes Man got up that ladder
The Hoover Dam caught on fire today
Seeing those Rangers just reminded me of the Ghost People. If you leave Christine alive, she basically becomes their queen (I think that's what the game says??? She definitely walks among them, tho.) I wonder how different the fight for Hoover Dam would be if you reached out to the Sierra Madre and requested help from Christine and the ghost people. Has nothing to do with the video, but, ya know. I looked really quickly and thought they were the Ghost People and was like, "What?" but nah, they're just Rangers
The best part was when the camera zooms out and a dude is in his UNDIES is talking down the NCR. Lmao
Fo3: I must find my father
Fo4: I must find my son
FNV: I gotta find that checkered wearing bastard that shot me in the head!
I'M THE MOTHERFUCKING MAILMAN!
“And also take over a dam with a robot”
He’s really lying to himself about the NCR’s return to Vegas, the people, the barons and the politicians are sick of funding the campaign, a complete loss of Vegas would be the final straw.
When you actually visit Hoover Dam IRL, you know General Oliver's death had to be horrifying
"You better have a damn good left hook or i'm not going anywhere."
*Securitron gives him a left uppercut and helps him leave the dam.*
He needed a unique voice actor so bad.
Did Yes man just sucker punch General Oliver!?
dang Yesman turned into Uncle Phil there 🤣 i didnt even kno that was an option in the game
I had mined our 6' in case Lee Oliver and gang decided to throw down. (I had Cannibal Johnson with me) and after General Lee Oliver and I came to a truce - I forgot to remove our fragmines!
It came to a shitdown with Lee Oliver still mid-air, while I was punching him with the "Golden gloves", looking, to see if Mr. House saw where his gloves went.
😂
It was so funny. Even Mr. House threw down(😅) and got the last shots into a pile of Ncr Rangers that wound up at the gate. 5 plasma mines had sent them flying, Lee Oliver on his face, and me to undress and stack all to drugs South-East of New Reno.
Oh, fuck. Cannibal Johnson.. That I forgot to remove the "Plan b: Retreat line" of mines.😅
Its really funny that your buack necked while wearing the helmet of legniuns-whatshisname while “negotiating”. Ultimate powar move
NCR scared by a couple vault dwellers with bombs lol
best mod for this game was replacing yes man's face with the trollface.
Masterful character reveal at the end.
1:22 People dont reallt talk about Fallout NV's facial expressions, which, makes sense. It was 2010 Creation Engine.
BUT. I was playing this without mods, and I love this little moment where you can just tell in his voice AND perfect expression how hes just been threatened. He immediately goes from irritated to clearly and realistically afraid, not just a typical 😡 to ☹️ like most games, especially at the time.
Only time in this game I noticed how good the expressions were too.
I wish you could call him "General Wait-and-see" to his face.
After getting the divide ending you should be able to threaten him with wiping out the entire Mohave and then he should back off
The zoom out to the naked Courier got me
That should be the evolution of Fallout. Doing quests to help/ruin settlements. Settlement building. Nation building.
I wanted to use Yes Man to back the NCR, but they didn't give me that option. Four speech choices, and all four of them are "THE DAM IS ONLY FOR ME".
That would’ve been pretty cool tbh
"we have legate lanius at home"
This game needs a sequel man.
I love the reveal of the courier's outfit.
The best part of this was the zoom out to the courier in nothing but his underwear and that helmet
Man really threatened a guy whose friends with people with old world bomber planes
He sounds like macho man randy savage when he says "Do you know what you're doing?"
I despise how Oliver is written here. In both the Legion and NCR playthroughs, he's rational, even noble. Here? He's like "Hi, yes, please obliterate me and feel great about it, lemme grow a mustache to twirl on the way down!"
I had no idea that could happen! I'm cracking up right now.
I can see star (Bethesda game idk the name of) being the building blocks for a huge fallout game. Like how the general said the bear claw spans from most of California. You can go through loading screens to get to these areas. Like say I can go from Massachusetts commonwealth to new Vegas through a vertibird or train
i honestly hope the canon lore for Fallout NV is that the courier took over NV with Yes Man. and when we do get a new NV game, we get to actually see the courier.
That won't happen. Most likely we'll get something like fallout 2, where things are heavily implied but never outright stated to be canon, with some exceptions like that marcus survives fallout 2.
Best goddamn writing ever. I love this game.
"If our roles were reversed, I'd see you hang."
"Good point. Yes-man, throw the General off the dam."
General Oliver: *Surprised face*
He also forgot to mention he was defeated by a naked man 😂😂
that character reveal killed me
Me, everytime someone throws General Oliver from the Dam: YEEAAHHHH! LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
“My sycophant tells me ‘yes.’”